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00:02:05,966\n我們也曾經的去評估這些保駕收購的部分那因為現在目前如果我們非常順利的在15天之後能夠逐步解禁的時候那我們要去消化的豬隻大概是35到39萬隻那35到39萬隻但是每一天人吃的量是\n\n6\n00:02:07,170 --> 00:02:17,732\n是一樣的啦所以變成說這些豬隻必須拉到冷凍庫去做一些凍除先調節一下做一個調節那這個調節如果完全由中央做\n\n7\n00:02:19,215 --> 00:02:40,065\n那中央做的時候市面上缺的時候因為市面上的冷凍一些公司他也會進口豬肉嘛所以變成說我們釋出的時候又更難去釋出所以我們現在是用媒合就是給一些協助希望這些冷凍工會來一起來來收購然後我們的一些\n\n8\n00:02:41,005 --> 00:03:08,765\n補助的方案如果讓他覺得說不用再進口那相對的這些豬肉就有機會逐步的讓我們的國內消費者食用我知道當然目前我們先針對這個飼料補貼跟貸款的部分我們先給予第一階段的協助但是我想後續的部分包含你剛講的我們怎麼樣針對國內的產銷調解這一則啦然後冷鏈系統的建置也很重要這部分冷鏈系統是不是有在進行規劃\n\n9\n00:03:33,056 --> 00:03:33,076\n是\n\n10\n00:03:43,342 --> 00:04:10,267\n部長因為距離這個禁運進宅的時間也存幾天而已這要加快進行啊不然到時候整個A出來那個真的是市場會很混亂我們了解這個時間的壓力但是我其實很希望能夠順利的能夠在這個時間點因為現在剛好正是前夫妻現在剛好正是前夫妻發病的時間所以我們現在的目的就是要防疫趕快去確認我們的場域是乾淨的\n\n11\n00:04:11,481 --> 00:04:40,421\n我想請教彭部長當然我們現在屏東我們也是養豬的一個大縣那當然剛剛有很多委員都提到這個廚餘去化的問題那當然這個過去就是一直爭論爭論不休啦那當然這個剛剛部長有提到這個養豬業者對於廚餘的去化也扮演一定功能的角色但是目前碰到這樣的一個問題後續部裡面針對這樣的一個去化的問題因為我自己本身也接到很多陳情包含學校的營養午餐包含餐廳\n\n12\n00:04:41,441 --> 00:04:55,857\n很多都沒人要修他們也很頭痛那你說要全部弄到屏東的這個焚化爐焚化爐本身就有一定的運作的能量那如果這樣子他們也會擔心造成廚藝進去之後會造成這個機械運作的一個問題\n\n13\n00:04:56,898 --> 00:05:21,632\n這部分會遇到很多的一個困境部長怎麼去處理這個問題我們現在處理的調度短時間內的處理短時間內沒問題但是我們認為如果時間一拉長一定是一個很大的壓力所以這個部分例如說委員提到的這個未來如何再有一個更好的制度那我們的確正在研議當中那我們是希望是說我要特別這個場合就感謝這個養豬業者幫我們去化掉很多的廚餘\n\n14\n00:05:22,853 --> 00:05:37,781\n那未來的有幾個方向那我們現在會跟農業部來討論例如說共同珍珠或是說生殖能其實那個因為有些地方要推動這個東西都很好但是很容易被變成零幣設施那這個我們就要從全面的來規劃從循環經濟的角度來看這個問題\n\n15\n00:05:41,562 --> 00:06:03,753\n這個我們養豬業者也是在提這個事情就是說他們願意配合政策但是我們如果沒有一個明確的方向變成這個到處流竄這個也不能解決問題是沒錯那有沒有可能考慮像日本一樣成立這個集中的一個斟酌的模式有這個對謝謝委員的建議這個部分我們那個會跟那個主要是農業部主責那我們會跟農業部一起來協作來討論這個事情\n\n16\n00:06:05,914 --> 00:06:20,991\n那我想剛剛我也特別提到這個我們未來後續針對這個兩個部會跨部會整變的一個部分那我要特別跟部長提到一個事情我自己本身家裡我也是很早就買廚藝機了我媽媽自己有在煎火煎菜\n\n17\n00:06:22,712 --> 00:06:43,619\n當作肥料那個效果真的很好啦那屏東縣政府今年也主動補助經費這個補助我們的鄉親來購買廚藝機也是很那個效果也很好而且他們也在加碼我想這個部長這個政策非常非常的好而且能夠幫幫忙家裡能夠做這樣一個去化的一個動作有沒有考慮編列經費來全民性的一個推廣\n\n18\n00:06:44,239 --> 00:07:01,331\n委員這個我們來研究一下但是因為現在我們的經費財化法過後之後要如何跟地方來合作這個要討論啦但是我是覺得這是一個方向我們可以來演繹因為我覺得能夠從這個地方去帶動多少都有對這個儲備量一定會有減少的一個效益\n\n19\n00:07:02,352 --> 00:07:28,795\n那最後我想兩位部長我想未來共同的努力的方向這個存一百的時間而已真的要加快速度啦我想我們趕快讓這個產業恢復秩序讓我們的消費端的鄉親也能夠趕快恢復能夠吃到吃到那個好的地方然後也避免這樣一個市場崩盤的一個危機啦謝謝好謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝徐委員謝謝兩位部長接下來請\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t24847\t我們請徐國瑜發言謝主席 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他們也很頭痛那你說要全部弄到屏東的這個焚化爐焚化爐本身就有一定的運作的能量那如果這樣子 他們也會擔心造成廚藝進去之後會造成這個機械運作的一個問題\n296898\t321632\t這部分會遇到很多的一個困境部長怎麼去處理這個問題我們現在處理的調度短時間內的處理短時間內沒問題但是我們認為如果時間一拉長一定是一個很大的壓力所以這個部分例如說委員提到的這個未來如何再有一個更好的制度那我們的確正在研議當中那我們是希望是說我要特別這個場合就感謝這個養豬業者幫我們去化掉很多的廚餘\n322853\t337781\t那未來的有幾個方向那我們現在會跟農業部來討論例如說共同珍珠或是說生殖能其實那個因為有些地方要推動這個東西都很好但是很容易被變成零幣設施那這個我們就要從全面的來規劃從循環經濟的角度來看這個問題\n341562\t363753\t這個我們養豬業者也是在提這個事情就是說他們願意配合政策但是我們如果沒有一個明確的方向變成這個到處流竄這個也不能解決問題是沒錯那有沒有可能考慮像日本一樣成立這個集中的一個斟酌的模式有這個對謝謝委員的建議這個部分我們那個會跟那個主要是農業部主責那我們會跟農業部一起來協作來討論這個事情\n365914\t380991\t那我想剛剛我也特別提到這個我們未來後續針對這個兩個部會 跨部會整變的一個部分那我要特別跟部長提到一個事情我自己本身家裡我也是很早就買廚藝機了我媽媽自己有在煎火煎菜\n382712\t403619\t當作肥料那個效果真的很好啦那屏東縣政府今年也主動補助經費這個補助我們的鄉親來購買廚藝機也是很那個效果也很好而且他們也在加碼我想這個部長這個政策非常非常的好而且能夠幫幫忙家裡能夠做這樣一個去化的一個動作有沒有考慮編列經費來全民性的一個推廣\n404239\t421331\t委員這個我們來研究一下但是因為現在我們的經費財化法過後之後要如何跟地方來合作這個要討論啦但是我是覺得這是一個方向我們可以來演繹因為我覺得能夠從這個地方去帶動多少都有對這個儲備量一定會有減少的一個效益\n422352\t448795\t那最後我想兩位部長我想未來共同的努力的方向這個存一百的時間而已真的要加快速度啦我想我們趕快讓這個產業恢復秩序讓我們的消費端的鄉親也能夠趕快恢復能夠吃到吃到那個好的地方然後也避免這樣一個市場崩盤的一個危機啦謝謝好謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝徐委員謝謝兩位部長接下來請\n","txt":"我們請徐國瑜發言謝主席 有請我們兩位部長請兩位部長徐國瑜好兩位部長辛苦我想這個今年五月我們跟陳部長\n我們在屏東這個舉辦了這個我們這個台灣是唯一亞洲唯一的這個三大豬病這個肺疫國的一個典禮那當然我們就是很高興這樣子我們台灣的這個豬肉這個能夠還能夠外銷到國外讓我們的鄉親也可以吃到這個好吃的一個健康的一個豬肉但是很遺憾這次的台中的非洲豬的事件我想不只造成我們這個養豬產業的一個停擺甚至連我們消費端\n我們屏東的肉圓、萬輪豬腳、彰化的控肉飯可能因為貨源也會受到衝擊影響所以我想今天兩位部長在這邊我想我們還是要正視一下這有幾個問題昨天我們全國養豬協會的潘寧洲理事長也是我們屏東的他帶領全國的這個各縣市的養豬協會的理事長來陳請那當然目前針對這樣的一個\n15天之後他們當然我們現在希望這15天能夠把疫情能夠把它消滅掉然後能夠防堵這樣的一個破口出現但是他們也擔心這個後續這個豬價會崩盤的問題請教那個陳部長目前針對這部分我知道部裡面有提出這個管制出租還有煤核冷凍業者收購這些政策那有沒有辦法針對這個保駕收購這個機制來做處理請部長答覆\n我們也曾經的去評估這些保駕收購的部分那因為現在目前如果我們非常順利的在15天之後能夠逐步解禁的時候那我們要去消化的豬隻大概是35到39萬隻那35到39萬隻但是每一天人吃的量是\n是一樣的啦所以變成說這些豬隻必須拉到冷凍庫去做一些凍除先調節一下做一個調節那這個調節如果完全由中央做\n那中央做的時候市面上缺的時候因為市面上的冷凍一些公司他也會進口豬肉嘛所以變成說我們釋出的時候又更難去釋出所以我們現在是用媒合就是給一些協助希望這些冷凍工會來一起來來收購然後我們的一些\n補助的方案如果讓他覺得說不用再進口那相對的這些豬肉就有機會逐步的讓我們的國內消費者食用我知道當然目前我們先針對這個飼料補貼跟貸款的部分我們先給予第一階段的協助但是我想後續的部分包含你剛講的我們怎麼樣針對國內的產銷調解這一則啦然後冷鏈系統的建置也很重要這部分冷鏈系統是不是有在進行規劃\n是\n部長因為距離這個禁運進宅的時間也存幾天而已這要加快進行啊不然到時候整個A出來那個真的是市場會很混亂我們了解這個時間的壓力但是我其實很希望能夠順利的能夠在這個時間點因為現在剛好正是前夫妻現在剛好正是前夫妻發病的時間所以我們現在的目的就是要防疫趕快去確認我們的場域是乾淨的\n我想請教彭部長當然我們現在屏東我們也是養豬的一個大縣那當然剛剛有很多委員都提到這個廚餘去化的問題那當然這個過去就是一直爭論爭論不休啦那當然這個剛剛部長有提到這個養豬業者對於廚餘的去化也扮演一定功能的角色但是目前碰到這樣的一個問題後續部裡面針對這樣的一個去化的問題因為我自己本身也接到很多陳情包含學校的營養午餐包含餐廳\n很多都沒人要修 他們也很頭痛那你說要全部弄到屏東的這個焚化爐焚化爐本身就有一定的運作的能量那如果這樣子 他們也會擔心造成廚藝進去之後會造成這個機械運作的一個問題\n這部分會遇到很多的一個困境部長怎麼去處理這個問題我們現在處理的調度短時間內的處理短時間內沒問題但是我們認為如果時間一拉長一定是一個很大的壓力所以這個部分例如說委員提到的這個未來如何再有一個更好的制度那我們的確正在研議當中那我們是希望是說我要特別這個場合就感謝這個養豬業者幫我們去化掉很多的廚餘\n那未來的有幾個方向那我們現在會跟農業部來討論例如說共同珍珠或是說生殖能其實那個因為有些地方要推動這個東西都很好但是很容易被變成零幣設施那這個我們就要從全面的來規劃從循環經濟的角度來看這個問題\n這個我們養豬業者也是在提這個事情就是說他們願意配合政策但是我們如果沒有一個明確的方向變成這個到處流竄這個也不能解決問題是沒錯那有沒有可能考慮像日本一樣成立這個集中的一個斟酌的模式有這個對謝謝委員的建議這個部分我們那個會跟那個主要是農業部主責那我們會跟農業部一起來協作來討論這個事情\n那我想剛剛我也特別提到這個我們未來後續針對這個兩個部會 跨部會整變的一個部分那我要特別跟部長提到一個事情我自己本身家裡我也是很早就買廚藝機了我媽媽自己有在煎火煎菜\n當作肥料那個效果真的很好啦那屏東縣政府今年也主動補助經費這個補助我們的鄉親來購買廚藝機也是很那個效果也很好而且他們也在加碼我想這個部長這個政策非常非常的好而且能夠幫幫忙家裡能夠做這樣一個去化的一個動作有沒有考慮編列經費來全民性的一個推廣\n委員這個我們來研究一下但是因為現在我們的經費財化法過後之後要如何跟地方來合作這個要討論啦但是我是覺得這是一個方向我們可以來演繹因為我覺得能夠從這個地方去帶動多少都有對這個儲備量一定會有減少的一個效益\n那最後我想兩位部長我想未來共同的努力的方向這個存一百的時間而已真的要加快速度啦我想我們趕快讓這個產業恢復秩序讓我們的消費端的鄉親也能夠趕快恢復能夠吃到吃到那個好的地方然後也避免這樣一個市場崩盤的一個危機啦謝謝好謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝徐委員謝謝兩位部長接下來請\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:24.847\n我們請徐國瑜發言謝主席有請我們兩位部長請兩位部長徐國瑜好兩位部長辛苦我想這個今年五月我們跟陳部長\n\n00:25.489 --> 00:53.662\n我們在屏東這個舉辦了這個我們這個台灣是唯一亞洲唯一的這個三大豬病這個肺疫國的一個典禮那當然我們就是很高興這樣子我們台灣的這個豬肉這個能夠還能夠外銷到國外讓我們的鄉親也可以吃到這個好吃的一個健康的一個豬肉但是很遺憾這次的台中的非洲豬的事件我想不只造成我們這個養豬產業的一個停擺甚至連我們消費端\n\n00:55.383 --> 01:14.861\n我們屏東的肉圓、萬輪豬腳、彰化的控肉飯可能因為貨源也會受到衝擊影響所以我想今天兩位部長在這邊我想我們還是要正視一下這有幾個問題昨天我們全國養豬協會的潘寧洲理事長也是我們屏東的他帶領全國的這個各縣市的養豬協會的理事長來陳請那當然目前針對這樣的一個\n\n01:20.225 --> 01:42.234\n15天之後他們當然我們現在希望這15天能夠把疫情能夠把它消滅掉然後能夠防堵這樣的一個破口出現但是他們也擔心這個後續這個豬價會崩盤的問題請教那個陳部長目前針對這部分我知道部裡面有提出這個管制出租還有煤核冷凍業者收購這些政策那有沒有辦法針對這個保駕收購這個機制來做處理請部長答覆\n\n01:44.955 --> 02:05.966\n我們也曾經的去評估這些保駕收購的部分那因為現在目前如果我們非常順利的在15天之後能夠逐步解禁的時候那我們要去消化的豬隻大概是35到39萬隻那35到39萬隻但是每一天人吃的量是\n\n02:07.170 --> 02:17.732\n是一樣的啦所以變成說這些豬隻必須拉到冷凍庫去做一些凍除先調節一下做一個調節那這個調節如果完全由中央做\n\n02:19.215 --> 02:40.065\n那中央做的時候市面上缺的時候因為市面上的冷凍一些公司他也會進口豬肉嘛所以變成說我們釋出的時候又更難去釋出所以我們現在是用媒合就是給一些協助希望這些冷凍工會來一起來來收購然後我們的一些\n\n02:41.005 --> 03:08.765\n補助的方案如果讓他覺得說不用再進口那相對的這些豬肉就有機會逐步的讓我們的國內消費者食用我知道當然目前我們先針對這個飼料補貼跟貸款的部分我們先給予第一階段的協助但是我想後續的部分包含你剛講的我們怎麼樣針對國內的產銷調解這一則啦然後冷鏈系統的建置也很重要這部分冷鏈系統是不是有在進行規劃\n\n03:33.056 --> 03:33.076\n是\n\n03:43.342 --> 04:10.267\n部長因為距離這個禁運進宅的時間也存幾天而已這要加快進行啊不然到時候整個A出來那個真的是市場會很混亂我們了解這個時間的壓力但是我其實很希望能夠順利的能夠在這個時間點因為現在剛好正是前夫妻現在剛好正是前夫妻發病的時間所以我們現在的目的就是要防疫趕快去確認我們的場域是乾淨的\n\n04:11.481 --> 04:40.421\n我想請教彭部長當然我們現在屏東我們也是養豬的一個大縣那當然剛剛有很多委員都提到這個廚餘去化的問題那當然這個過去就是一直爭論爭論不休啦那當然這個剛剛部長有提到這個養豬業者對於廚餘的去化也扮演一定功能的角色但是目前碰到這樣的一個問題後續部裡面針對這樣的一個去化的問題因為我自己本身也接到很多陳情包含學校的營養午餐包含餐廳\n\n04:41.441 --> 04:55.857\n很多都沒人要修他們也很頭痛那你說要全部弄到屏東的這個焚化爐焚化爐本身就有一定的運作的能量那如果這樣子他們也會擔心造成廚藝進去之後會造成這個機械運作的一個問題\n\n04:56.898 --> 05:21.632\n這部分會遇到很多的一個困境部長怎麼去處理這個問題我們現在處理的調度短時間內的處理短時間內沒問題但是我們認為如果時間一拉長一定是一個很大的壓力所以這個部分例如說委員提到的這個未來如何再有一個更好的制度那我們的確正在研議當中那我們是希望是說我要特別這個場合就感謝這個養豬業者幫我們去化掉很多的廚餘\n\n05:22.853 --> 05:37.781\n那未來的有幾個方向那我們現在會跟農業部來討論例如說共同珍珠或是說生殖能其實那個因為有些地方要推動這個東西都很好但是很容易被變成零幣設施那這個我們就要從全面的來規劃從循環經濟的角度來看這個問題\n\n05:41.562 --> 06:03.753\n這個我們養豬業者也是在提這個事情就是說他們願意配合政策但是我們如果沒有一個明確的方向變成這個到處流竄這個也不能解決問題是沒錯那有沒有可能考慮像日本一樣成立這個集中的一個斟酌的模式有這個對謝謝委員的建議這個部分我們那個會跟那個主要是農業部主責那我們會跟農業部一起來協作來討論這個事情\n\n06:05.914 --> 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