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--> 00:02:39,595\n我跟委員報告一下基本上像林保署它本身也有一些動物保育的還有一些像阿里山森林遊樂區相關的它的一個任務的屬性還比較多元另外像國產署因為它有牽涉到\n\n8\n00:02:41,636 --> 00:03:05,294\n更廣泛的國家土地的一個整合應用因為我跟延民會土管處事實上以前現在的副主委我跟他很熟他是我同學那我一直也有跟他提到因為在處理原住民保留地的相關土地潛移的部分除了土管處以外有不少的角色扮演是在地方政府\n\n9\n00:03:05,914 --> 00:03:32,475\n那我說真的以政府機關的那個運作的一個機制我會強烈建議在目前的圖管處底下我們如何去搭配地方政府甚至我們可以找民間的一起來參與這樣的一個機制的運作可能會更有效率因為一個組織的膨脹那麼大有時候跟我們期待的會有一些落差\n\n10\n00:03:32,975 --> 00:03:54,276\n那不好意思人事長我必須因為時間的關係我打斷您的話其實您剛剛一直提到地方政府那我也要跟人事長報告就是因為沒有足夠的人員因此必須依賴縣政府依賴地方鄉公所但是呢這長年以來您可能不知道\n\n11\n00:03:55,359 --> 00:04:23,678\n很嚴重的就是私相授受因人涉事產生很多弊端大家各自為政不拿中央園民會當一回事中央園民會也使不上力因為他也必須要把該做的工作交給人家所以這個部分他很容易就變成是地方綁裝的工具像現在越來越多的我們的族人就是站出來抗議\n\n12\n00:04:24,699 --> 00:04:48,574\n因為以前這種所謂的我要怎麼樣他有一個土管會那個可能都是鄉長任命然後呢怎麼分配土地怎麼登記土地一團亂中央使不上力這是一個很嚴重的問題所以呢必須要有所改革那我們很高興這一次看到好不容易給了園民會多了18個這個員額所以我想要請教人事長\n\n13\n00:04:53,257 --> 00:05:04,997\n你支不支持因為原民會想要啊原民會很希望能夠把這個原保地這麼重要的業務把它升格為土地管理署任市長你支不支持\n\n14\n00:05:06,035 --> 00:05:34,839\n我覺得要升格的問題要比較審慎的去大家去做分析進一步溝通反而因為我按照目前的這一些分工的話出席延民會的圖管處他有出席審查會刊還有最終審定的作業那個權利是在延民會圖管處他那個管理的手頭所以本市就可以去做這件事只是現在是執行的落實的程度的問題\n\n15\n00:05:35,619 --> 00:05:58,242\n來我跟您說因為實際上就不是這樣原民會使不上力要不然不會有那麼多的弊端產生我們也處理不來所以在這個地方我只是想要了解任市長您的態度跟您是否支持那這樣子我就大概了解但是我還是希望你能夠了解這件事情的嚴重性好不好\n\n16\n00:05:58,882 --> 00:06:24,457\n那另外簡單的就是主席再給我一分鐘另外因為我是教師出身那也很多人也關心這個問題那我也經常的參與全教總的記者會我在這邊跟任市長說現在就是兩個大問題教師大逃亡行政大逃亡就是這樣而且這是很普遍的現象而且越來越嚴重我以行政大逃亡來講\n\n17\n00:06:26,089 --> 00:06:48,059\n真的你很難相信很多地方的學校竟然組長是代理老師當這幾年更嚴重的是越來越多代理老師兼主任但是說一句實在話你以為他喜歡嗎他也不喜歡因為行政家籍也不多但是他多很多行政工作但是他迫於無奈\n\n18\n00:06:49,113 --> 00:07:17,159\n因為這是他的飯碗因為對他一點用處也沒有他當了組長當了主任他又不是正式老師他也不能把這個積分拿去考校長對他一點意義都沒有迫於無奈這個是一個很嚴重的問題這個已經不是教師尊嚴的問題而是教育根本的問題所以有兩個解方我想請教一下任市長你比較Prefer哪一種第一種就是我們目前的行政家級是大概來講是三級\n\n19\n00:07:18,439 --> 00:07:28,652\n然後讓這些帶課老師甚至很多是無證無教師證的帶課老師來兼這些行政工作我們是希望說就把行政僵局兩級化至少呢我們可以兩級化之後有好一點點的一個行政津貼\n\n20\n00:07:36,542 --> 00:07:55,562\n那第二個就是其實教師都是最希望行政專職化就是增加學校的行政人力任市長你比較喜歡哪一種你覺得哪一種是比較你可以支持的我覺得委員提的問題非常好我們現在會分兩個階段第一個我們先跟教育部去溝通\n\n21\n00:07:56,743 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他是我同學那我一直也有跟他提到因為在處理原住民保留地的相關土地潛移的部分除了土管處以外有不少的角色扮演是在地方政府\n185914\t212475\t那我說真的以政府機關的那個運作的一個機制我會強烈建議在目前的圖管處底下我們如何去搭配地方政府甚至我們可以找民間的一起來參與這樣的一個機制的運作可能會更有效率因為一個組織的膨脹那麼大有時候跟我們期待的會有一些落差\n212975\t234276\t那不好意思人事長我必須因為時間的關係我打斷您的話其實您剛剛一直提到地方政府那我也要跟人事長報告就是因為沒有足夠的人員因此必須依賴縣政府依賴地方鄉公所但是呢這長年以來您可能不知道\n235359\t263678\t很嚴重的就是私相授受因人涉事產生很多弊端大家各自為政不拿中央園民會當一回事中央園民會也使不上力因為他也必須要把該做的工作交給人家所以這個部分他很容易就變成是地方綁裝的工具像現在越來越多的我們的族人就是站出來抗議\n264699\t288574\t因為以前這種所謂的我要怎麼樣他有一個土管會那個可能都是鄉長任命然後呢怎麼分配土地怎麼登記土地一團亂中央使不上力這是一個很嚴重的問題所以呢必須要有所改革那我們很高興這一次看到好不容易給了園民會多了18個這個員額所以我想要請教人事長\n293257\t304997\t你支不支持 因為原民會想要啊原民會很希望能夠把這個原保地這麼重要的業務把它升格為土地管理署任市長你支不支持\n306035\t334839\t我覺得要升格的問題要比較審慎的去大家去做分析進一步溝通反而因為我按照目前的這一些分工的話出席延民會的圖管處他有出席審查會刊還有最終審定的作業那個權利是在延民會圖管處他那個管理的手頭所以本市就可以去做這件事只是現在是執行的落實的程度的問題\n335619\t358242\t來 我跟您說因為實際上就不是這樣原民會使不上力要不然不會有那麼多的弊端產生我們也處理不來所以在這個地方我只是想要了解任市長您的態度跟您是否支持那這樣子我就大概了解但是我還是希望你能夠了解這件事情的嚴重性好不好\n358882\t384457\t那另外簡單的就是主席再給我一分鐘另外因為我是教師出身那也很多人也關心這個問題那我也經常的參與全教總的記者會我在這邊跟任市長說現在就是兩個大問題教師大逃亡行政大逃亡就是這樣而且這是很普遍的現象而且越來越嚴重我以行政大逃亡來講\n386089\t408059\t真的你很難相信很多地方的學校竟然組長是代理老師當這幾年更嚴重的是越來越多代理老師兼主任但是說一句實在話你以為他喜歡嗎他也不喜歡因為行政家籍也不多但是他多很多行政工作但是他迫於無奈\n409113\t437159\t因為這是他的飯碗因為對他一點用處也沒有他當了組長 當了主任他又不是正式老師他也不能把這個積分拿去考校長對他一點意義都沒有迫於無奈這個是一個很嚴重的問題這個已經不是教師尊嚴的問題而是教育根本的問題所以有兩個解方我想請教一下任市長你比較 Prefer 哪一種第一種就是我們目前的行政家級是大概來講是三級\n438439\t448652\t然後讓這些帶課老師甚至很多是無證無教師證的帶課老師來兼這些行政工作我們是希望說就把行政僵局兩級化至少呢我們可以兩級化之後有好一點點的一個行政津貼\n456542\t475562\t那第二個就是其實教師都是最希望行政專職化就是增加學校的行政人力任市長你比較喜歡哪一種你覺得哪一種是比較你可以支持的我覺得委員提的問題非常好我們現在會分兩個階段第一個我們先跟教育部去溝通\n476743\t499758\t聽聽看教育部的看法大家有一個共識以後我們再找一些地方政府因為這一些的財政的負擔有時候會地方政府要去cover所以地方政府的一個聲音我們也要納進來所以我們會分兩個階段那我們會盡快來進行這件事情那你希望給我報告好不好那第二個部分就是關於教師大逃亡\n500678\t506617\t我跟您說我先說導師是一個很美的工作\n507970\t532338\t早晨接學生進來陪著他晨間閱讀陪著他做招會陪著他做課間活動招陪著他吃營養午餐陪著他一起睡午覺陪著他一起做掃地工作最後送他出校門回家平平安安的回家很美的工作但是我跟任市長說這一些我剛剛講的加起來175分鐘\n538000\t560712\t約三個小時導師費一天一百塊連時薪都不到所以任市長您覺得導師費該不該增加這麼神聖這麼美好的工作這不是尊嚴的問題而已這是我們教育的根本這是我們未來的主人翁有快樂的老師才有快樂的學生可以嗎\n561363\t572587\t我們會跟教育部溝通請他們假如有需要調整的話報上來我們來予以支持教育部很高興可以予以支持可以 我一定支持的好 謝謝任市長謝謝主席好 謝謝吳立民\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請任市長請任市長委員早任市長早我之前也有來質詢過任市長就是關心園民會的人員編制\n那麼我在公文上有看到我們人總這邊已經有發給園民會就是在明年115年度同意合增櫃會職員預算原額18人\n那這18人到底要怎麼運用規劃當然公文是說依業務推動需要不過我今天是要來跟我們任市長來說明一下我其實很希望原民會能夠增加一個管理原保地的這種土地的數為什麼我這麼說因為對原住民來講其實土地是非常重要的\n我擔任立委的這幾年也發現我們族人最愛陳情的就是關於土地但是我們看一下以原民會目前它有一個叫土管處土地管理處它管理的原保地面積有26萬公頃它的編制員額我們不要管編制編制是27名實際上是23名\n可是我們去看一下林保署林保署它管理的土地有162萬公頃可是它實際的人員有2538名這是一個非常大的落差\n那麼國產署我們也來看一下就是專門看它差不多的國有非公用土地它是21萬公頃跟原民會管理的土地是差不多的但是它的原額有647名那我不曉得說站在任市長您的一個觀點您覺得這樣的一個配比你有什麼想法\n我跟委員報告一下基本上像林保署它本身也有一些動物保育的還有一些像阿里山森林遊樂區相關的它的一個任務的屬性還比較多元另外像國產署因為它有牽涉到\n更廣泛的國家土地的一個整合應用因為我跟延民會土管處事實上以前 現在的副主委我跟他很熟 他是我同學那我一直也有跟他提到因為在處理原住民保留地的相關土地潛移的部分除了土管處以外有不少的角色扮演是在地方政府\n那我說真的以政府機關的那個運作的一個機制我會強烈建議在目前的圖管處底下我們如何去搭配地方政府甚至我們可以找民間的一起來參與這樣的一個機制的運作可能會更有效率因為一個組織的膨脹那麼大有時候跟我們期待的會有一些落差\n那不好意思人事長我必須因為時間的關係我打斷您的話其實您剛剛一直提到地方政府那我也要跟人事長報告就是因為沒有足夠的人員因此必須依賴縣政府依賴地方鄉公所但是呢這長年以來您可能不知道\n很嚴重的就是私相授受因人涉事產生很多弊端大家各自為政不拿中央園民會當一回事中央園民會也使不上力因為他也必須要把該做的工作交給人家所以這個部分他很容易就變成是地方綁裝的工具像現在越來越多的我們的族人就是站出來抗議\n因為以前這種所謂的我要怎麼樣他有一個土管會那個可能都是鄉長任命然後呢怎麼分配土地怎麼登記土地一團亂中央使不上力這是一個很嚴重的問題所以呢必須要有所改革那我們很高興這一次看到好不容易給了園民會多了18個這個員額所以我想要請教人事長\n你支不支持 因為原民會想要啊原民會很希望能夠把這個原保地這麼重要的業務把它升格為土地管理署任市長你支不支持\n我覺得要升格的問題要比較審慎的去大家去做分析進一步溝通反而因為我按照目前的這一些分工的話出席延民會的圖管處他有出席審查會刊還有最終審定的作業那個權利是在延民會圖管處他那個管理的手頭所以本市就可以去做這件事只是現在是執行的落實的程度的問題\n來 我跟您說因為實際上就不是這樣原民會使不上力要不然不會有那麼多的弊端產生我們也處理不來所以在這個地方我只是想要了解任市長您的態度跟您是否支持那這樣子我就大概了解但是我還是希望你能夠了解這件事情的嚴重性好不好\n那另外簡單的就是主席再給我一分鐘另外因為我是教師出身那也很多人也關心這個問題那我也經常的參與全教總的記者會我在這邊跟任市長說現在就是兩個大問題教師大逃亡行政大逃亡就是這樣而且這是很普遍的現象而且越來越嚴重我以行政大逃亡來講\n真的你很難相信很多地方的學校竟然組長是代理老師當這幾年更嚴重的是越來越多代理老師兼主任但是說一句實在話你以為他喜歡嗎他也不喜歡因為行政家籍也不多但是他多很多行政工作但是他迫於無奈\n因為這是他的飯碗因為對他一點用處也沒有他當了組長 當了主任他又不是正式老師他也不能把這個積分拿去考校長對他一點意義都沒有迫於無奈這個是一個很嚴重的問題這個已經不是教師尊嚴的問題而是教育根本的問題所以有兩個解方我想請教一下任市長你比較 Prefer 哪一種第一種就是我們目前的行政家級是大概來講是三級\n然後讓這些帶課老師甚至很多是無證無教師證的帶課老師來兼這些行政工作我們是希望說就把行政僵局兩級化至少呢我們可以兩級化之後有好一點點的一個行政津貼\n那第二個就是其實教師都是最希望行政專職化就是增加學校的行政人力任市長你比較喜歡哪一種你覺得哪一種是比較你可以支持的我覺得委員提的問題非常好我們現在會分兩個階段第一個我們先跟教育部去溝通\n聽聽看教育部的看法大家有一個共識以後我們再找一些地方政府因為這一些的財政的負擔有時候會地方政府要去cover所以地方政府的一個聲音我們也要納進來所以我們會分兩個階段那我們會盡快來進行這件事情那你希望給我報告好不好那第二個部分就是關於教師大逃亡\n我跟您說我先說導師是一個很美的工作\n早晨接學生進來陪著他晨間閱讀陪著他做招會陪著他做課間活動招陪著他吃營養午餐陪著他一起睡午覺陪著他一起做掃地工作最後送他出校門回家平平安安的回家很美的工作但是我跟任市長說這一些我剛剛講的加起來175分鐘\n約三個小時導師費一天一百塊連時薪都不到所以任市長您覺得導師費該不該增加這麼神聖這麼美好的工作這不是尊嚴的問題而已這是我們教育的根本這是我們未來的主人翁有快樂的老師才有快樂的學生可以嗎\n我們會跟教育部溝通請他們假如有需要調整的話報上來我們來予以支持教育部很高興可以予以支持可以 我一定支持的好 謝謝任市長謝謝主席好 謝謝吳立民\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.057 --> 00:25.193\n謝謝主席有請任市長請任市長委員早任市長早我之前也有來質詢過任市長就是關心園民會的人員編制\n\n00:26.843 --> 00:40.479\n那麼我在公文上有看到我們人總這邊已經有發給園民會就是在明年115年度同意合增櫃會職員預算原額18人\n\n00:43.602 --> 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