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00:01:41,500\n報告委員會一再的發生當然旅客做這樣不理性的事情我們公司台鐵公司一定會站在員工的立場來保護員工那幾個方面一個方面在法律的追溯方面公司也已經有專案了來\n\n6\n00:01:43,062 --> 00:02:09,451\n協助員工在法律上面訴求來保護自己的權益這一方面那二方面我們當然也跟鐵路警察這邊有來做溝通拜託他們能夠協助在治安的方面因為台鐵公司本身負責營運但是治安的部分還是要拜託鐵路警察這方面來協助那另外呢針對也有員工在討論說要不要裝密錄器來保護員工那但是現在有一些員工是覺得不需要\n\n7\n00:02:10,311 --> 00:02:33,783\n這是你之前在說的但是我們認為說絕不允許有任何人遭受這樣的職場對待這個方向是一致的這個沒有錯所以過去有發了密錄器有偵派了警察來巡邏保全人力這些SOP流程但是問題本席要請教\n\n8\n00:02:34,924 --> 00:03:00,550\n你所謂的要警察這個鐵路警察來協助那你們到底進度是如何因為我們結果論不希望看到一而再再而三的這個事件來發生比如說我們增加警察的據點台鐵聘請這個保全人員迅速可以把這個治安的死角有所幫助這些啟動你們是不是有在檢討呢\n\n9\n00:03:01,630 --> 00:03:30,704\n是跟委員報告這些都有在檢討那什麼時候要出來呢什麼時候要出來呢因為數字告訴我們他沒有減少反而增加你們都有在檢討你們的經經方案什麼時候會出來呢跟委員報告跟這個鐵井之間的這個聯繫我們已經有一個共識就是說增加這個鐵井的他用這個跨域的這個方式來增加那個見景率那目前從5月開始已經開始執行了\n\n10\n00:03:31,004 --> 00:03:48,851\n好那請你們把你們精進的方案書面資料給本席那所以一個結論也就是說今天委員都有提出這個修法對於鐵路法的修法針對於旅客暴力攻擊跟重罰那麼新增強暴\n\n11\n00:03:50,206 --> 00:04:15,527\n脅迫恐嚇或其他非法的這個方法呢那麼我們要新增了圖形跟法徑這個方向是不是部長你同意跟委員報告如果是可以保護員工的方向我都會來支持你都會同意齁那請教在法治上面的強度到哪裡我們還要跟我們法治大會來討論所以方向是一致那請教行政院會有版本嗎\n\n12\n00:04:16,923 --> 00:04:32,238\n你會有願版嗎我們目前沒有研議版本你看你們為什麼不研議民眾這麼迫切關注的所以你必須要去研議這本席跟你建議接下來本席要跟你討論的我們台中高鐵特區114年1月8號我在這裡\n\n13\n00:04:34,901 --> 00:04:50,276\n又質詢我說我們的這個高鐵增加北站的這個北台中的這個站那麼當時呢次長到這邊來質詢他同意要去這個評估那現在評估的進度怎麼樣呢台中的北站對評估的進度如何呢\n\n14\n00:04:59,179 --> 00:05:16,802\n跟委員報告台中高鐵的你們是答應說你們要去評估你點頭我們有做過評估就是說就技術上評估方向出來了嗎就技術上來說目前要在高鐵營運中的路線新增車站有系統上技術的困難\n\n15\n00:05:17,608 --> 00:05:42,868\n沒關係你把你們評估因為本席絕對會在追蹤我們所提出的方案那你們評估出來應該要將你們的評估報告不管是如何要送請要給我們為什麼不給呢你們什麼時候評估出來評估出來了嗎那這個是正式在交通委員會耶評估了沒有\n\n16\n00:05:43,962 --> 00:06:04,925\n出來的沒有有評估那你把評估的書面是要給本席所以請你們也要好好努力那接下來本席要問部長2700萬人次在進駐一年在台中站那你交通部針對國一新增閘道連結高鐵特區你們怎麼協助呢\n\n17\n00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:23,290\n你們怎麼協助這個目前可行性研究的這個費用我們有請這個鐵道局跟我們當時有標到這個要發展這個地區的那個廠商請他們補助給台中市那目前也已經補助給他是多少錢700多萬還是廠商補助700萬給台中市做整體規劃\n\n18\n00:06:26,992 --> 00:06:40,720\n那這個國一新增閘道的部分是由鐵道局補助給台中市政府他們也已經在辦理另案的這個可行性研究評估當中預計下個月就可以提出報告下個月提出報告因為台中市政府要提出報告所以部長你也台中來的你也擔任過我們的市議員\n\n19\n00:06:46,926 --> 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你們為什麼不研議民眾這麼迫切關注的所以你必須要去研議這本席跟你建議接下來本席要跟你討論的我們台中高鐵特區114年1月8號我在這裡\n又質詢我說我們的這個高鐵增加北站的這個北台中的這個站那麼當時呢次長到這邊來質詢他同意要去這個評估那現在評估的進度怎麼樣呢台中的北站對評估的進度如何呢\n跟委員報告台中高鐵的 你們是答應說你們要去評估 你點頭我們有做過評估就是說就技術上 評估方向出來了嗎就技術上來說目前要在高鐵營運中的路線新增車站有系統上技術的困難\n沒關係你把你們評估因為本席絕對會在追蹤我們所提出的方案那你們評估出來應該要將你們的評估報告不管是如何要送請要給我們為什麼不給呢你們什麼時候評估出來評估出來了嗎那這個是正式在交通委員會耶評估了沒有\n出來的沒有有評估那你把評估的書面是要給本席所以請你們也要好好努力那接下來本席要問部長2700萬人次在進駐一年在台中站那你交通部針對國一新增閘道連結高鐵特區你們怎麼協助呢\n你們怎麼協助這個目前可行性研究的這個費用我們有請這個鐵道局跟我們當時有標到這個要發展這個地區的那個廠商請他們補助給台中市那目前也已經補助給他是多少錢700多萬還是廠商補助700萬給台中市做整體規劃\n那這個國一新增閘道的部分是由鐵道局補助給台中市政府他們也已經在辦理另案的這個可行性研究評估當中預計下個月就可以提出報告下個月提出報告因為台中市政府要提出報告所以部長你也台中來的你也擔任過我們的市議員\n高鐵特區是鐵道局台中市政府努力的在協助所以我要求我們交通部一定好好的要來努力接下來我本期要跟你討論台74線預留新街的閘道我們當時在興建的時候74線已經有預留已經有預留有這個銜接口\n那現在每天都在塞你當時就已經有預留了你應該就不用再評估啦就趕快迅速加強他的改善措施啊報仁 當時的計畫已經結束了所以現在台中市政府必須提出他的評估需求好 你說他的什麼改 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01:41.500\n報告委員會一再的發生當然旅客做這樣不理性的事情我們公司台鐵公司一定會站在員工的立場來保護員工那幾個方面一個方面在法律的追溯方面公司也已經有專案了來\n\n01:43.062 --> 02:09.451\n協助員工在法律上面訴求來保護自己的權益這一方面那二方面我們當然也跟鐵路警察這邊有來做溝通拜託他們能夠協助在治安的方面因為台鐵公司本身負責營運但是治安的部分還是要拜託鐵路警察這方面來協助那另外呢針對也有員工在討論說要不要裝密錄器來保護員工那但是現在有一些員工是覺得不需要\n\n02:10.311 --> 02:33.783\n這是你之前在說的但是我們認為說絕不允許有任何人遭受這樣的職場對待這個方向是一致的這個沒有錯所以過去有發了密錄器有偵派了警察來巡邏保全人力這些SOP流程但是問題本席要請教\n\n02:34.924 --> 03:00.550\n你所謂的要警察這個鐵路警察來協助那你們到底進度是如何因為我們結果論不希望看到一而再再而三的這個事件來發生比如說我們增加警察的據點台鐵聘請這個保全人員迅速可以把這個治安的死角有所幫助這些啟動你們是不是有在檢討呢\n\n03:01.630 --> 03:30.704\n是跟委員報告這些都有在檢討那什麼時候要出來呢什麼時候要出來呢因為數字告訴我們他沒有減少反而增加你們都有在檢討你們的經經方案什麼時候會出來呢跟委員報告跟這個鐵井之間的這個聯繫我們已經有一個共識就是說增加這個鐵井的他用這個跨域的這個方式來增加那個見景率那目前從5月開始已經開始執行了\n\n03:31.004 --> 03:48.851\n好那請你們把你們精進的方案書面資料給本席那所以一個結論也就是說今天委員都有提出這個修法對於鐵路法的修法針對於旅客暴力攻擊跟重罰那麼新增強暴\n\n03:50.206 --> 04:15.527\n脅迫恐嚇或其他非法的這個方法呢那麼我們要新增了圖形跟法徑這個方向是不是部長你同意跟委員報告如果是可以保護員工的方向我都會來支持你都會同意齁那請教在法治上面的強度到哪裡我們還要跟我們法治大會來討論所以方向是一致那請教行政院會有版本嗎\n\n04:16.923 --> 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