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00:02:37,296\n我們朝這個方向在努力不過跟委員報告因為這幾年我們在花東的交通建設其實也蠻多的所以其實我們營造的量能是我們目前遇到最大的問題如果營造的量能充足我們當然這個時程上應該不會有問題但因為目前還沒看到核定的部分所以是今年整體的計劃核定沒有問題所以我們所有的該往前走的都會繼續往前走\n\n8\n00:02:38,505 --> 00:02:59,454\n那只是修正計畫還沒核定那修正計畫是針對一方面預算那二方面是供期的問題在做修正這樣而已這樣我了解好謝謝那就是這個南匯鐵路雙軌化的部分當然之前有這個微笑南彎的計畫我們也非常期待\n\n9\n00:03:00,214 --> 00:03:15,333\n那就是說在這個微笑南灣這個計畫那個交通部要從這個南台灣一直到台東花蓮重新整個重整刷新這個觀光的這些亮點那我想這些觀光亮點\n\n10\n00:03:17,014 --> 00:03:41,948\n刷新之後那我們就是說交通部甚至在未來還可以跟旅行社來溝通配合來增加國外的國外觀光客直接從高雄入境然後再來南回往台東華聯走這樣子的路線那我想再加上之前其實幾個風災讓那個東部的不管公路鐵路其實都斷掉\n\n11\n00:03:42,568 --> 00:04:05,179\n然後再加上這一次光復救災也是很多人我在火車上遇到很多人就是整個從這個高雄這樣坐南回繞上去所以這個南回鐵路雙軌化這件事情是很重要不然每次在教會列車確實耗掉我們很多的時間那一樣的就是說本席還是\n\n12\n00:04:06,500 --> 00:04:33,886\n很關心就是到底這個南迴鐵路雙軌劃計提升為快鐵計劃這個部分就是說到底你們在期程上我們會趕快來爭取院的核定如果行政院核定可行性研究過了之後我們就會進行綜合規劃的進度對就是因為核定有沒有一個期程你們預計可能大概落在什麼時候我們盡量爭取行政院那邊可以趕快核定\n\n13\n00:04:35,084 --> 00:04:54,891\n因為上次也已經過了一年我了解但我想很多事情我們應該都有一個規劃啦就是說希望能夠如期大概什麼時候完成什麼這樣子我們希望盡快啦我們盡量爭取還是部長很保守對我們因應期盼\n\n14\n00:04:55,871 --> 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麻煩請交通部長陳部長請\n部長好部長辛苦了那我想在上次總質詢的時候因為時間的關係沒能好好在比較細部的討論這個整個花東跟南回鐵路雙軌電企劃的事情那我想我再確認一下就是因為這個花東地區雙軌電企劃這件事情其實本席在2008年的時候就曾經質詢當時的行政院長劉兆璇跟交通部長毛志國那\n大家也都非常積極的在規劃這件事情那原本的期程是七年後來在本席的要求之下那評估之後呢改為五年那在這次的總質詢我在\n那時候有提到那聽到部長的答覆說現在的工期要變成10年我當下有點嚇一大跳啦那因為這是你們目前的施工進度那這個第三階段的這個甘城到受封還有東里到關山還沒有發包那這個部分部長就是說有回答預計2031年\n完工我想再請教一下因為已經這次在送計劃已經算是第二次的這個變更了第一次修正那到底就是說這個期程就是說到底行政院什麼時候可不可以核定什麼時候核定\n報告委員其實這個工程也不管修正有沒有過我們都在進行當中所以我們的第一階段就是116年12月這個沒有問題應該是做得到那我們第二階段第三階段我們目前也正在趕當中對那所以因為預計2031年完工這個部分還會有變數嗎\n我們朝這個方向在努力不過跟委員報告因為這幾年我們在花東的交通建設其實也蠻多的所以其實我們營造的量能是我們目前遇到最大的問題如果營造的量能充足我們當然這個時程上應該不會有問題但因為目前還沒看到核定的部分所以是今年整體的計劃核定沒有問題所以我們所有的該往前走的都會繼續往前走\n那只是修正計畫還沒核定那修正計畫是針對一方面預算那二方面是供期的問題在做修正這樣而已這樣我了解 好 謝謝那就是這個南匯鐵路雙軌化的部分當然之前有這個微笑南彎的計畫我們也非常期待\n那就是說在這個微笑南灣這個計畫那個交通部要從這個南台灣一直到台東花蓮重新整個重整刷新這個觀光的這些亮點那我想這些觀光亮點\n刷新之後那我們就是說交通部甚至在未來還可以跟旅行社來溝通配合來增加國外的國外觀光客直接從高雄入境然後再來南回往台東華聯走這樣子的路線那我想再加上之前其實幾個風災讓那個東部的不管公路鐵路其實都斷掉\n然後再加上這一次光復救災也是很多人我在火車上遇到很多人就是整個從這個高雄這樣坐南回繞上去所以這個南回鐵路雙軌化這件事情是很重要不然每次在教會列車確實耗掉我們很多的時間那一樣的就是說本席還是\n很關心就是到底這個南迴鐵路雙軌劃計提升為快鐵計劃這個部分就是說到底你們在期程上我們會趕快來爭取院的核定如果行政院核定可行性研究過了之後我們就會進行綜合規劃的進度對就是因為核定有沒有一個期程你們預計可能大概落在什麼時候我們盡量爭取行政院那邊可以趕快核定\n因為上次也已經過了一年我了解 但我想很多事情我們應該都有一個規劃啦就是說希望能夠如期大概什麼時候完成什麼這樣子我們希望盡快啦我們盡量爭取還是部長很保守對 我們因應期盼\n那這個可能我還是因為這是行政院這邊我必須要用拜託跟爭取的角度去那我也陪你一起去拜託好了好 謝謝周偉站起來我很快問一個就是替蘭宇問個問題部長知不知道在台灣各個離島剩下哪兩個島沒有ATM\n在機場我指的是機場這個我不曉得金門澎湖馬祖的北竿南竿都有那現在就剩下綠島跟蘭嶼機場是沒有ATM的所以我想在機場設置ATM應該是蠻普遍的情形那當然在這個離島設置ATM大家一定會去考慮到他的這個經濟效益的問題但是很多地方\n很多的狀況是沒有辦法用經濟效益的這個理由去評估了如果是這樣子用什麼事情都用經濟效益來看那不好意思那個蘭嶼的飛機也不用飛了船也不用開了那有一些我覺得這個比喻比較不好但是我可以提一下我們有一些罕見疾病或者有一些特殊疾病的藥物我們也不用研發了\n我想這個是這個這樣的心態因為畢竟大家知道那天來你們派了這個郵局出席代表這個副管理師林小姐那特別用這樣的理由那當然我們提到包括\n不管是誰啦 大家有需要用到現金在下機場 欸沒有錢了 要提個款你總不能說因為立委要去那裡提款沒有錢叫做立委 講說都這麼窮這樣子\n報告委員這個案子我們有去跟中華郵政做溝通了我們在蘭嶼機場會來設置ATM這個部分已經跟他們溝通完畢了這個沒有問題已經OK了只是時程上我們會希望它能夠加快我慢慢我是\n滿感謝那位副管理師啦因為他那天的心態跟失言我覺得這個是有一點歧視的狀態那感謝他的這樣的一個回覆促使大家很積極來辦理這一件\n其實對我們所有一切都只是替蘭嶼的朋友來爭取而已是 謝謝委員那我想如果有順利那就很好那你們可以主動關心一下綠島是不是也有同樣的需求因為我們沒有想要再請他到辦公室來我去了解看看好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.161 --> 00:05.984\n好謝謝主席麻煩請交通部長陳部長請\n\n00:14.053 --> 00:41.619\n部長好部長辛苦了那我想在上次總質詢的時候因為時間的關係沒能好好在比較細部的討論這個整個花東跟南回鐵路雙軌電企劃的事情那我想我再確認一下就是因為這個花東地區雙軌電企劃這件事情其實本席在2008年的時候就曾經質詢當時的行政院長劉兆璇跟交通部長毛志國那\n\n00:42.499 --> 00:57.096\n大家也都非常積極的在規劃這件事情那原本的期程是七年後來在本席的要求之下那評估之後呢改為五年那在這次的總質詢我在\n\n00:58.337 --> 01:20.792\n那時候有提到那聽到部長的答覆說現在的工期要變成10年我當下有點嚇一大跳啦那因為這是你們目前的施工進度那這個第三階段的這個甘城到受封還有東里到關山還沒有發包那這個部分部長就是說有回答預計2031年\n\n01:23.934 --> 01:46.682\n完工我想再請教一下因為已經這次在送計劃已經算是第二次的這個變更了第一次修正那到底就是說這個期程就是說到底行政院什麼時候可不可以核定什麼時候核定\n\n01:47.507 --> 02:07.886\n報告委員其實這個工程也不管修正有沒有過我們都在進行當中所以我們的第一階段就是116年12月這個沒有問題應該是做得到那我們第二階段第三階段我們目前也正在趕當中對那所以因為預計2031年完工這個部分還會有變數嗎\n\n02:09.656 --> 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