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00:02:53,775\n我們總共幾個水庫報告委員有95座水庫95座水庫6座哪6座有蓋供電板報告委員我們現在手上資料是有烏山頭水庫烏山頭水庫阿公店水庫阿公店水庫還有三個比較小的一個是鹽水坪內浦坪內浦坪還有一個金門的金湖\n\n8\n00:02:55,237 --> 00:03:19,247\n對你們的規劃未來還會不會在水庫上面再蓋關鍵板未來還要不要目前沒有申請案件誰申請對剛剛特別再報告一下剛剛5座才加一個鳳山水庫所以總共是6座總共6座是發電量多少發電量總共現在是大概29MW那佔比例呢佔我們總發電量多少\n\n9\n00:03:20,848 --> 00:03:26,749\n非常非常小非常小啊我覺得這個答案啦非常小的發電量部長啊這值得嗎把台灣的整個生態全部破壞掉水庫破壞農地破壞漁運破壞為了你們的這個虛無縹緲的一個非核家園把整個生態環境都這樣破壞你覺得值得嗎再生能源的發展跟非不非核好像沒有關係就是因為你們要拼命蓋\n\n10\n00:03:50,233 --> 00:04:06,181\n為了廢核所以要光電要封建啊光電太陽能就上去了啦將來即便能源如果重啟或者是有新的核能太陽能光電還是會持續做啊但是你不要破壞水庫嘛你不要破壞餘溫嘛\n\n11\n00:04:08,142 --> 00:04:22,548\n魚那魚都死掉怎麼會被破壞對不對魚什麼魚電共生結果是魚死了電有了變這樣子啊清楚的看得到你說沒有來你們原來講的河山要嚴厲是不是河山要嚴厲有沒有\n\n12\n00:04:24,299 --> 00:04:46,609\n因為這個命題就是現在到了就是可能會自我檢查階段因為法已經公布了法都公布了可以嚴厲可能我們台電會開始做自我檢查來台電講一下時間表好不好河山廠怎麼因應的時間表跟委員報告我們現在的程序是先做現況評估\n\n13\n00:04:48,430 --> 00:05:07,603\n那我們現況評估在10月13號已經把這個的評估的報告送到我時間到了快點講那接著呢這個做完之後如果說確實說可以往下走的話我們河山會先做再運轉計畫等等的這些程序到最後河山場如果真的可以用到什麼要多久時間啊\n\n14\n00:05:10,826 --> 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