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00:02:04,716\n跟委員報告其實我們官員就是我們X光影像判讀的我們分了三個階級初中高我們其實通過高階的測驗的同仁都已經有超過大概有七八成我們在110年7月的時候我們已經有開始運用AI來輔助判讀\n\n6\n00:02:06,016 --> 00:02:34,690\n那當時是針對毒品的部分那我們在114到117我們有一個計畫會把這個肉品還有相關的這個菸品等等也會納入我們整個一個AI的一個影像判讀服務希望速度可以快一點因為我們現在是如臨大敵嘛所以一定要把這些我們剛才講的數據正確率啊誤判率啊這些要弄出來然後AI輔助讓我們的人力不要那麼辛苦好不好是OK謝謝那有請我們的農業部是請杜署長\n\n7\n00:02:40,916 --> 00:03:01,730\n你知道現在我們國內的豬的產值是多少嗎如果是以我們目前是我們的所有防疫對象是5,441場再加上它相關的一個周邊大概有2,000億我剛剛大概算了一下我們一個國人大概平均一年吃40公斤的豬肉如果是一斤100塊的話\n\n8\n00:03:02,851 --> 00:03:27,590\n大概就是1000亿嘛那其他的负边的产值可能就超过2000亿那我想要问的就是说这次这个繁育期间很多人可能受到限制比如说他没有办法杀猪没有办法有猪肉的那个贩卖那我想你在繁育的时候可能养猪会得到补偿可是我想知道有些靠猪吃饭的我们尤其是原住民有些是烤猪肉的那个\n\n9\n00:03:28,591 --> 00:03:50,217\n達人或者是攤商小吃業者這些有沒有在規劃裡面補助的規劃裡面報告委員我們現在大概是針對一級生產鏈有相關的都有研擬的補助措施那至於是在市場裡面的攤商的部分因為是直接受害所以這個部分也有列入到經濟部的一個補償的一個範疇裡面\n\n10\n00:03:51,957 --> 00:04:17,590\n那至於在餐廳小吃部等等這些有沒有顧及到這些相關的關係人那這個部分我想這個經濟部也正在研臨中我想說可不可以動用我們農業天然災害的救助基金或是農業發展基金來補償這些因為因豬而要靠住生活的這些所謂的層次的一些商人或者是族人得到一些適當的補償\n\n11\n00:04:19,071 --> 00:04:38,741\n包委員一級生產鏈的所有的環節我們都我們也看到一個新聞就是非常就是很可怕的新聞就是說可能會影響到我們的山豬那如果說山豬被感染的話就可能就是全台灣都淪陷了所以這個有沒有一個監測的機制或者說有沒有一個防範的作為\n\n12\n00:04:39,581 --> 00:05:07,942\n一般我們在做非洲豬瘟口蹄疫的時候及豬瘟的時候我們一年年度就有一些監測針對山豬的監測計畫那現在昨天這個為了台中的這個像沙鹿啦後里等等有幾場山豬在活動的區域那也要求他們針對廚餘的收集區跟處理區一定要委網來阻止山豬這個他可能不定期不定時的一個侵入\n\n13\n00:05:08,482 --> 00:05:22,907\n我想附帶問的一個問題就是說現在廚餘如果你要煮到幾度的話比較不會有一些感染的風險是這個部分真的經過所有的科學所蒐集的資料是90度\n\n14\n00:05:24,528 --> 00:05:52,842\n一小時但是要攪拌喔我還有看到五十度六十度七十度其實要讓病毒不活化最好還是依照這個規定去執行所以可能這個部分要早一點讓國人知道因為我覺得到目前為止我很像在看新聞的時候或是看一些廣告的時候還是沒有看到這些相關的作文好這個一定要加強是謝謝好謝謝那我們的防疫人才呢目前就是說針對獸醫者或者是獸醫這個部分你們目前的那個進度在哪裡\n\n15\n00:05:54,324 --> 00:06:13,605\n報告其實在今年的六月份的時候總統也體諒到所有的部門的獸醫師他們工作的辛苦所以已經有跟他們比照這個不開業獎金就是醫師的不開業獎金這個部分已經有提列了後來看到那個新聞說一場吃五百塊的樣子\n\n16\n00:06:14,505 --> 00:06:30,074\n那個是特育獸醫師這針對每個場次他的規模的大小不同如果一般比較有一定的規模他一定會有駐場的獸醫師但是有些小型的可能他這個成本也很高所以他用合作契約\n\n17\n00:06:30,774 --> 00:06:56,027\n所以可能短期可能沒有辦法馬上遏止這個病毒所以我覺得這個長期來看的話還是要規劃這些人力的補足或者是訓練比如說目前的獸醫師只有80%是在從事這方面的工作你又怎麼來引誘或者是說來吸引我們這些從事畜牧業的這些專業人才來從事這方面的防範作為確實獸醫師如果考上獸醫師都喜歡去小動物\n\n18\n00:06:56,707 --> 00:07:15,561\n是對那我們要經濟動物大家都讓他們來從事這方面的工作所以我們這個部分應該是要加強他們的一些補貼或者是獎勵OK可以嗎這個在畜牧法裡面我想應該是會部裡面會再統籌的再做一些商議好謝謝那我們請衛福部好謝謝來請部長\n\n19\n00:07:20,894 --> 00:07:31,364\n陸委員長對部長那個現在如果查到那個違規的這些東西我們是怎麼來執行比如說它的SOP啊時效啊銷毀時程啊有沒有透明有沒有一個監督的機制\n\n20\n00:07:33,768 --> 00:07:52,701\n委員您提的是說查到有來自於那個非洲豬瘟疫區的肉品那他就會違反兩個可能的這個違反樣態第一個是說他會違反我們在剛剛提到邊境輸入的時候他就要去申報因為在邊境\n\n21\n00:07:53,522 --> 00:08:06,253\n有申報的來自於這個這個非洲豬瘟疫區的直接就會退運或銷毀了根本不會進來所以會進來的都是非法輸入所以他就違反了我們食安法30條的規定那就會開罰16萬到\n\n22\n00:08:08,975 --> 00:08:13,278\n現在正在進行羅氏人才當中今年行政院有多給我們24位在邊境查驗的人力現在我們正在招募\n\n23\n00:08:27,386 --> 00:08:41,267\n我們看一下一些國外的一個成功的案例因為現在我們像像才剛剛接觸這個病毒而且是非常的陌生不過在國際上應該這個應該是都已經努力了一段時間所以有一些成功的契機\n\n24\n00:08:43,564 --> 00:09:05,752\n可能它就是如果是失敗的話它大概有兩個原因就是最下面那一行就是可能我們在生物檢測這個部分的檢測不足第二個就是我剛才講的可能民眾沒有被告知還有或者是廠商沒有被告知就是humanbehavior這個部分那它成功的契機大概有四個方向我給部長請你參考一下下一張\n\n25\n00:09:07,543 --> 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還有第二張\n那我們現在看那個高階判讀人員中階判讀人員這些我們知道這些人力是這個樣子那我想問你說真正的S關機的偵測率的成功率跟判讀率是多少關務室有沒有實際的數據有沒有成功率或是誤判率這些\n報告委員 我是官務長 記者組長就是說那個就是說X光只要是有異常的我們官員都會拉下來當然就是說拉下來之後如果是大部分的都是因為我們要精準打擊所以拉下來的話大部分都會有查獲物品\n是希望說如果因為我們的中階就是你看中階出街的人比較多高階是比較少所以你真正要去把關的就是要嚴格把關這個人數沒有那麼多那你有沒有強調說要去以後要從AI的判讀或者是輔助來增加這些人力的一個耗損或者說他們的loading\n跟委員報告其實我們官員就是我們X光影像判讀的我們分了三個階級 初 中 高我們其實通過高階的測驗的同仁都已經有超過大概有七八成我們在110年7月的時候我們已經有開始運用AI來輔助判讀\n那當時是針對毒品的部分那我們在114到117我們有一個計畫會把這個肉品還有相關的這個菸品等等也會納入我們整個一個AI的一個影像判讀服務希望速度可以快一點因為我們現在是如臨大敵嘛所以一定要把這些我們剛才講的數據正確率啊 誤判率啊這些要弄出來然後AI輔助讓我們的人力不要那麼辛苦好不好是OK 謝謝那有請我們的農業部是請杜署長\n你知道現在我們國內的豬的產值是多少嗎如果是以我們目前是我們的所有防疫對象是5,441場再加上它相關的一個周邊大概有2,000億我剛剛大概算了一下我們一個國人大概平均一年吃40公斤的豬肉如果是一斤100塊的話\n大概就是1000亿嘛那其他的负边的产值可能就超过2000亿那我想要问的就是说这次这个繁育期间很多人可能受到限制比如说他没有办法杀猪没有办法有猪肉的那个贩卖那我想你在繁育的时候可能养猪会得到补偿可是我想知道有些靠猪吃饭的我们尤其是原住民有些是烤猪肉的那个\n達人或者是攤商小吃業者這些有沒有在規劃裡面補助的規劃裡面報告委員我們現在大概是針對一級生產鏈有相關的都有研擬的補助措施那至於是在市場裡面的攤商的部分因為是直接受害所以這個部分也有列入到經濟部的一個補償的一個範疇裡面\n那至於在餐廳小吃部等等這些有沒有顧及到這些相關的關係人那這個部分我想這個經濟部也正在研臨中我想說可不可以動用我們農業天然災害的救助基金或是農業發展基金來補償這些因為因豬而要靠住生活的這些所謂的層次的一些商人或者是族人得到一些適當的補償\n包委員一級生產鏈的所有的環節我們都我們也看到一個新聞就是非常就是很可怕的新聞就是說可能會影響到我們的山豬那如果說山豬被感染的話就可能就是全台灣都淪陷了所以這個有沒有一個監測的機制或者說有沒有一個防範的作為\n一般我們在做非洲豬瘟口蹄疫的時候及豬瘟的時候我們一年年度就有一些監測針對山豬的監測計畫那現在昨天這個為了台中的這個像沙鹿啦後里等等有幾場山豬在活動的區域那也要求他們針對廚餘的收集區跟處理區一定要委網來阻止山豬這個他可能不定期不定時的一個侵入\n我想附帶問的一個問題就是說現在廚餘如果你要煮到幾度的話比較不會有一些感染的風險是這個部分真的經過所有的科學所蒐集的資料是90度\n一小時 但是要攪拌喔我還有看到五十度 六十度 七十度其實要讓病毒不活化最好還是依照這個規定去執行所以可能這個部分要早一點讓國人知道因為我覺得到目前為止我很像在看新聞的時候或是看一些廣告的時候還是沒有看到這些相關的作文好 這個一定要加強 是 謝謝好 謝謝 那我們的防疫人才呢目前就是說 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02:34.690\n那當時是針對毒品的部分那我們在114到117我們有一個計畫會把這個肉品還有相關的這個菸品等等也會納入我們整個一個AI的一個影像判讀服務希望速度可以快一點因為我們現在是如臨大敵嘛所以一定要把這些我們剛才講的數據正確率啊誤判率啊這些要弄出來然後AI輔助讓我們的人力不要那麼辛苦好不好是OK謝謝那有請我們的農業部是請杜署長\n\n02:40.916 --> 03:01.730\n你知道現在我們國內的豬的產值是多少嗎如果是以我們目前是我們的所有防疫對象是5,441場再加上它相關的一個周邊大概有2,000億我剛剛大概算了一下我們一個國人大概平均一年吃40公斤的豬肉如果是一斤100塊的話\n\n03:02.851 --> 03:27.590\n大概就是1000亿嘛那其他的负边的产值可能就超过2000亿那我想要问的就是说这次这个繁育期间很多人可能受到限制比如说他没有办法杀猪没有办法有猪肉的那个贩卖那我想你在繁育的时候可能养猪会得到补偿可是我想知道有些靠猪吃饭的我们尤其是原住民有些是烤猪肉的那个\n\n03:28.591 --> 03:50.217\n達人或者是攤商小吃業者這些有沒有在規劃裡面補助的規劃裡面報告委員我們現在大概是針對一級生產鏈有相關的都有研擬的補助措施那至於是在市場裡面的攤商的部分因為是直接受害所以這個部分也有列入到經濟部的一個補償的一個範疇裡面\n\n03:51.957 --> 04:17.590\n那至於在餐廳小吃部等等這些有沒有顧及到這些相關的關係人那這個部分我想這個經濟部也正在研臨中我想說可不可以動用我們農業天然災害的救助基金或是農業發展基金來補償這些因為因豬而要靠住生活的這些所謂的層次的一些商人或者是族人得到一些適當的補償\n\n04:19.071 --> 04:38.741\n包委員一級生產鏈的所有的環節我們都我們也看到一個新聞就是非常就是很可怕的新聞就是說可能會影響到我們的山豬那如果說山豬被感染的話就可能就是全台灣都淪陷了所以這個有沒有一個監測的機制或者說有沒有一個防範的作為\n\n04:39.581 --> 05:07.942\n一般我們在做非洲豬瘟口蹄疫的時候及豬瘟的時候我們一年年度就有一些監測針對山豬的監測計畫那現在昨天這個為了台中的這個像沙鹿啦後里等等有幾場山豬在活動的區域那也要求他們針對廚餘的收集區跟處理區一定要委網來阻止山豬這個他可能不定期不定時的一個侵入\n\n05:08.482 --> 05:22.907\n我想附帶問的一個問題就是說現在廚餘如果你要煮到幾度的話比較不會有一些感染的風險是這個部分真的經過所有的科學所蒐集的資料是90度\n\n05:24.528 --> 05:52.842\n一小時但是要攪拌喔我還有看到五十度六十度七十度其實要讓病毒不活化最好還是依照這個規定去執行所以可能這個部分要早一點讓國人知道因為我覺得到目前為止我很像在看新聞的時候或是看一些廣告的時候還是沒有看到這些相關的作文好這個一定要加強是謝謝好謝謝那我們的防疫人才呢目前就是說針對獸醫者或者是獸醫這個部分你們目前的那個進度在哪裡\n\n05:54.324 --> 06:13.605\n報告其實在今年的六月份的時候總統也體諒到所有的部門的獸醫師他們工作的辛苦所以已經有跟他們比照這個不開業獎金就是醫師的不開業獎金這個部分已經有提列了後來看到那個新聞說一場吃五百塊的樣子\n\n06:14.505 --> 06:30.074\n那個是特育獸醫師這針對每個場次他的規模的大小不同如果一般比較有一定的規模他一定會有駐場的獸醫師但是有些小型的可能他這個成本也很高所以他用合作契約\n\n06:30.774 --> 06:56.027\n所以可能短期可能沒有辦法馬上遏止這個病毒所以我覺得這個長期來看的話還是要規劃這些人力的補足或者是訓練比如說目前的獸醫師只有80%是在從事這方面的工作你又怎麼來引誘或者是說來吸引我們這些從事畜牧業的這些專業人才來從事這方面的防範作為確實獸醫師如果考上獸醫師都喜歡去小動物\n\n06:56.707 --> 07:15.561\n是對那我們要經濟動物大家都讓他們來從事這方面的工作所以我們這個部分應該是要加強他們的一些補貼或者是獎勵OK可以嗎這個在畜牧法裡面我想應該是會部裡面會再統籌的再做一些商議好謝謝那我們請衛福部好謝謝來請部長\n\n07:20.894 --> 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人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、( 十) 委員黃秀芳等21 人擬具\n「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十一)委員翁曉玲等23人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三\n十五條、第三十九條及第四十九條條文修正草案」案、(十二)委員范雲等18人擬具「職業安全衛\n生法部分條文修正草案」案、( 十三) 委員劉建國等17 人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草\n案」案、(十四)委員吳琪銘等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第六條條文修正草案」案、(十五)委員\n沈發惠等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十六)委員王育敏等19人擬具「職\n業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十七)委員王育敏等25人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文\n修正草案」案、(十八)委員郭國文等17人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十九)\n委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四條條文修正草案」案、(二十)委員郭昱晴等17人擬\n具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(二十一)委員羅廷瑋等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法\n部分條文修正草案」案；三、審查(一)委員王正旭等23人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草\n案」案、(二)委員吳沛憶等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(三)委員莊瑞雄\n等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法第九條條文修正草案」案、(四)委員林月琴等21人擬具「職業安全\n衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、 ( 五) 委員林淑芬等21 人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草\n案」案、(六)委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(七)委員徐富癸\n等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(八)委員黃捷等16人擬具「職業安全衛生\n法部分條文修正草案」案、( 九) 委員蔡易餘等17 人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」\n案、(十)委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案","agenda_id":"1149002_00002"}}}