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--> 00:02:09,354\n剛剛委員也提到說比如說這個活躍跟滲透度這部分我想在一個發展中的一個市場大概都有這樣一個趨勢我想金管會對於這個虛擬資產的這個態度呢就去年的時候我們有答應說我們會在今年的年中送出草案我們就按照這個我們按照循序漸進謹慎友好的態度應對這樣的發展\n\n7\n00:02:11,806 --> 00:02:37,988\n所以說這是我們金管會現在的看法跟立場是不是是的主委金管會上半年金錢報告指出虛擬資產業者在防治洗錢打擊知恐及環舞擴的作業上有三個缺失包括客戶審查措施欠妥事對客戶交易持續監控機制\n\n8\n00:02:40,891 --> 00:02:55,466\n這個不夠完善以及這個未來未建立有效獨立的集合等未確認高風險客戶的財富與資金的來源等那我請問主委金黃會這個\n\n9\n00:02:59,871 --> 00:03:14,469\n經檢虛擬資產的業者所指出的缺失當中到底是故意比較多還是過失比較多你的看法呢是我想說待會兒不足我請我們檢察局局長來說明我跟委員做個報告就是第一個\n\n10\n00:03:15,310 --> 00:03:30,744\n其實我們現在在管理我剛才在報告中報告現在是屬於第三階段是採登記制它還是以洗錢防治為概念的基礎所以剛才比如提到的幾個問題比如說KYC做得不足還有事後的監控還有內控內機的部分\n\n11\n00:03:31,485 --> 00:03:57,393\n我想在一個剛剛衍生出來的新產業的時候這個是會常見的一個情況畢竟開始假設我們專法通過它會變成是一個類似金融機構的高度監管那對於剛才講那幾個都是變成是未來基本的要求剛剛我在執法的報告裡面確實像比如我們會訂定嚴謹的內控累積制度還有財業物監理準則我想這部分大概未來都會有很顯著的改善\n\n12\n00:03:58,055 --> 00:04:22,789\n那按照經檢缺失的個案分析故意或過失行為的成分佔比主委金管會是不是會作為制定法規監理寬延的依據或參考進一步建構更完善的虛擬資產的市場是我想方向當然是這樣我想有些細節我請我們的那個局長給就跟院長做一個簡單的說明\n\n13\n00:04:26,163 --> 00:04:43,474\n報告委員就是說我們在檢查過程當中已經是根據我們現在初步針對洗錢房子的部分有這部分的缺失我們提這樣的一個意見給我們的檢查政期舉來做一些核處目前已經有對11家的幣商來進行核處共計裁罰了1300多萬\n\n14\n00:04:47,717 --> 00:05:00,867\n那另外呢就是對於在未來這個在專法部分在有關於像內控內積的部分的要求還有法令遵循風險管理這部分這些共同的規範的部分我們日後一定會來做一個加強這樣齁是主委\n\n15\n00:05:03,149 --> 00:05:29,802\n缺失中提到虛擬資產客戶審查措施有欠妥事像是為確認這些高風險客戶的財富以及資金的來源那以及對已向法務部調查局通報疑似洗錢交易STR的客戶為事實研判是否調整客戶風險等級那我請問主委虛擬資產業者審查妥事\n\n16\n00:05:33,244 --> 00:05:55,174\n審查的措施欠妥式那到底是業者考量審查要求過嚴所以才會為了這個業績來便宜行事還是審查措施通報有主觀上的落差所以才會有這個陽奉陰違的這些情況的出現你的看法\n\n17\n00:05:56,004 --> 00:06:17,854\n我想剛才跟委員說明過我們的洗錢房制是一個非常非常嚴密的一個制度我想也是我們是遵循國際的規範以及其他部會我們共同來努力的部分那剛才講說他們在做這件事情的時候我們檢察局在檢查的時候發現了這個缺失我們就強烈要求我們也會移送相關的單位\n\n18\n00:06:18,934 --> 00:06:19,495\n主委啊另外\n\n19\n00:06:35,412 --> 00:06:50,217\n經檢缺失也提到虛擬資產業者對客戶交易時持續監控機制不夠完善以及沒有建立有效的獨立集合的功能那我請問主委到底虛擬資產業者\n\n20\n00:06:52,658 --> 00:07:10,897\n為什麼沒有辦法依據提供虛擬資產服務之事業或人員防治洗錢以及打擊知恐的這些辦法的規定來建構和運作合規的監控機制以及完善獨立集合功能呢\n\n21\n00:07:11,497 --> 00:07:33,226\n是跟委員報告其實我們在過去我們開始他是用洗房聲明進入到這個產業開始那是非常低度的管理後來我們今年3月30號開始以後他們必須登記制到9月底以前就剛才報告9月22號以前我們核准了9家以後呢接下來這些規範就會更為嚴格剛才委員提到就是說其實持續監控\n\n22\n00:07:34,266 --> 00:07:54,990\n我們的判斷是除了可能受限於他資源條件跟人力的配置以外還有就是他對整個產業他是否準備好可不可以持續精進所以我們在這個過程當中淘汰了非常多的業者也就是因為我們不斷的要求他們一定要做到既然在未來市場我們要健全發展這些都是很基本一定要做到的\n\n23\n00:07:55,330 --> 00:08:08,776\n主委對於虛擬資產業者的法規要求現階段到底是不是應該比照金融業者甚至於還需要更高另外會計師對虛擬資產業者的會計處理包括稅務的申報以及財產簽證等責任你認為國內的會計師是不是已經具備足夠的這些虛擬資產專業的準備\n\n24\n00:08:21,884 --> 00:08:42,239\n其實我們在那個登記制的時候呢我們已經開始納入會計師來做一個協助我想這是一個他們的一個報告也是非常重要當然對一個新興產業而言包括很多的未來的稅制還有像這個比如說未來會計如何表達這個可能大家都要應驗稅的部分不是金管會的主管我想我們的相關主管當然也會注意到這件事情\n\n25\n00:08:42,819 --> 00:09:10,921\n那只是說未來我們在專法裡面確實如委員所說的我們未來對虛擬資產服務業是採取高度監管的態度就是說當然他可能跟金融機構不太一樣但是那個觀念上是相近的比如說我們這次增加了對他的資本額財業務內控內積這些都是我們典型對金融機構的管理這個就更加強化不只是為了洗錢而已主委\n\n26\n00:09:11,784 --> 00:09:38,207\n事實上由於詐騙手法不斷的翻新台灣已成為詐騙的重災區每日被騙的金額高達好幾億遠超過鄰近國家現在還因為外國媒體的報導台灣在整個國際社會被冠上詐騙之島的臭名那我請問主委你認為虛擬資產業者是不是已經做好\n\n27\n00:09:39,569 --> 00:09:54,003\n防範詐騙守法污染的準備以及目前金管會的監理法規現況啊主委你認為應不應該來加強哪些這個面向的規範才能夠讓民眾有安全無虞啊投資虛擬資產的環境\n\n28\n00:09:56,005 --> 00:10:21,185\n我想委員剛剛提到的確實是這是要立專法一個目的之一因為我們剛才提過我們打詐專法裡面已經把VASP納入跟金融機構一樣的反詐的義務我想這次我們剛才提到就是說我們也發現到就是說比如說我們在資訊通報的時候我們只能同業之間通報未來我們也希望在異業把它納入來強化這部分這也是我們一定要來做的\n\n29\n00:10:21,482 --> 00:10:43,975\n好最後一點主委最近詐騙案件涉案對象多了許多專業人士甚至於包括公務員包括律師調查官俗話說重賞之下必有勇夫那貪念更是罪惡的起點主委現在就連知法換法的專業人士都可能\n\n30\n00:10:44,815 --> 00:11:05,028\n不顧高道德標準動起貪念挺核走險來涉及詐騙案件那我請問主委你認為虛擬資產業者有沒有必要對行業中的專業人士要求善良管理人的注意義務以阻止以深色法這些情況的發生\n\n31\n00:11:09,170 --> 00:11:28,585\n對委員剛剛提到沒有錯就是我們這次專法裡面有一個專門的執法是針對這些從業人員的資格條件包括消極跟積極資格都會做要求這是我們在監理金融市場最基本的概念我想這部分已經把它納入了這樣我希望一定要嚴格規範謝謝謝謝委員謝謝林德福委員接下來我們請賴世保委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1189\t9510\t謝謝 謝謝主席是不是請金管會彭主委好 我們請彭主委委員長\n11001\t39095\t主委您早主委我請教因為九月公告九家首批通過洗錢黃字登記新制的業者名單作為市場建立初步的監管基礎據瞭解這些業者對虛擬資產產業的未來發展都抱持著高度的期待那主委有業者指出目前台灣只有不到百分之五的民眾\n40296\t61745\t活躍在加密資產市場相比全球成熟市場如美國、韓國活躍人口達10%到15%以上那台灣的滲透率仍然偏低那我請問主委開拓國內虛擬資產市場的腳步你認為應該加速\n65851\t84259\t投資民眾參與來積極追上國外成熟的市場還是建構虛擬資產完整的法規進而徐徐投資你的看法呢謝謝委員剛剛那個問題我想陳柱委員講說有兩個選項那剛剛委員提到說那個成熟國家其實就以虛擬資產的發展的趨勢來看的話\n95424\t108854\t應該還不能稱得上就是我們所習慣的一般像資本市場或一般金融市場所謂的成熟市場它是在一個發展中也就是因為這樣最近各個國家才開始針對這個做一些初步的立法我想\n109714\t129354\t剛剛委員也提到說比如說這個活躍跟滲透度這部分我想在一個發展中的一個市場大概都有這樣一個趨勢我想金管會對於這個虛擬資產的這個態度呢就去年的時候我們有答應說我們會在今年的年中送出草案我們就按照這個我們按照循序漸進謹慎友好的態度應對這樣的發展\n131806\t157988\t所以說這是我們金管會現在的看法跟立場是不是 是的主委 金管會上半年金錢報告指出虛擬資產業者在防治洗錢打擊知恐及環舞擴的作業上有三個缺失包括客戶審查措施欠妥事對客戶交易持續監控機制\n160891\t175466\t這個不夠完善以及這個未來未建立有效獨立的集合等未確認高風險客戶的財富與資金的來源等那我請問主委金黃會這個\n179871\t194469\t經檢虛擬資產的業者所指出的缺失當中到底是故意比較多還是過失比較多你的看法呢是 我想說待會兒不足我請我們檢察局局長來說明我跟委員做個報告就是第一個\n195310\t210744\t其實我們現在在管理我剛才在報告中報告現在是屬於第三階段是採登記制它還是以洗錢防治為概念的基礎所以剛才比如提到的幾個問題比如說KYC做得不足還有事後的監控還有內控內機的部分\n211485\t237393\t我想在一個剛剛衍生出來的新產業的時候這個是會常見的一個情況畢竟開始假設我們專法通過它會變成是一個類似金融機構的高度監管那對於剛才講那幾個都是變成是未來基本的要求剛剛我在執法的報告裡面確實像比如我們會訂定嚴謹的內控累積制度還有財業物監理準則我想這部分大概未來都會有很顯著的改善\n238055\t262789\t那按照經檢缺失的個案分析故意或過失行為的成分佔比主委金管會是不是會作為制定法規監理寬延的依據或參考進一步建構更完善的虛擬資產的市場是我想方向當然是這樣我想有些細節我請我們的那個局長給就跟院長做一個簡單的說明\n266163\t283474\t報告委員就是說我們在檢查過程當中已經是根據我們現在初步針對洗錢房子的部分有這部分的缺失我們提這樣的一個意見給我們的檢查政期舉來做一些核處目前已經有對11家的幣商來進行核處共計裁罰了1300多萬\n287717\t300867\t那另外呢就是對於在未來這個在專法部分在有關於像內控內積的部分的要求還有法令遵循風險管理這部分這些共同的規範的部分我們日後一定會來做一個加強這樣齁是 主委\n303149\t329802\t缺失中提到虛擬資產客戶審查措施有欠妥事像是為確認這些高風險客戶的財富以及資金的來源那以及對已向法務部調查局通報疑似洗錢交易STR的客戶為事實研判是否調整客戶風險等級那我請問主委虛擬資產業者審查妥事\n333244\t355174\t審查的措施欠妥式那到底是業者考量審查要求過嚴所以才會為了這個業績來便宜行事還是審查措施通報有主觀上的落差所以才會有這個陽奉陰違的這些情況的出現你的看法\n356004\t377854\t我想剛才跟委員說明過我們的洗錢房制是一個非常非常嚴密的一個制度我想也是我們是遵循國際的規範以及其他部會我們共同來努力的部分那剛才講說他們在做這件事情的時候我們檢察局在檢查的時候發現了這個缺失我們就強烈要求我們也會移送相關的單位\n378934\t379495\t主委啊另外\n395412\t410217\t經檢缺失也提到虛擬資產業者對客戶交易時持續監控機制不夠完善以及沒有建立有效的獨立集合的功能那我請問主委到底虛擬資產業者\n412658\t430897\t為什麼沒有辦法依據提供虛擬資產服務之事業或人員防治洗錢以及打擊知恐的這些辦法的規定來建構和運作合規的監控機制以及完善獨立集合功能呢\n431497\t453226\t是跟委員報告其實我們在過去我們開始他是用洗房聲明進入到這個產業開始那是非常低度的管理後來我們今年3月30號開始以後他們必須登記制到9月底以前就剛才報告9月22號以前我們核准了9家以後呢接下來這些規範就會更為嚴格剛才委員提到就是說其實持續監控\n454266\t474990\t我們的判斷是除了可能受限於他資源條件跟人力的配置以外還有就是他對整個產業他是否準備好可不可以持續精進所以我們在這個過程當中淘汰了非常多的業者也就是因為我們不斷的要求他們一定要做到既然在未來市場我們要健全發展這些都是很基本一定要做到的\n475330\t488776\t主委對於虛擬資產業者的法規要求現階段到底是不是應該比照金融業者甚至於還需要更高另外會計師對虛擬資產業者的會計處理包括稅務的申報以及財產簽證等責任你認為國內的會計師是不是已經具備足夠的這些虛擬資產專業的準備\n501884\t522239\t其實我們在那個登記制的時候呢我們已經開始納入會計師來做一個協助我想這是一個他們的一個報告也是非常重要當然對一個新興產業而言包括很多的未來的稅制還有像這個比如說未來會計如何表達這個可能大家都要應驗稅的部分不是金管會的主管我想我們的相關主管當然也會注意到這件事情\n522819\t550921\t那只是說未來我們在專法裡面確實如委員所說的我們未來對虛擬資產服務業是採取高度監管的態度就是說當然他可能跟金融機構不太一樣但是那個觀念上是相近的比如說我們這次增加了對他的資本額財業務 內控 內積這些都是我們典型對金融機構的管理這個就更加強化不只是為了洗錢而已主委\n551784\t578207\t事實上由於詐騙手法不斷的翻新台灣已成為詐騙的重災區每日被騙的金額高達好幾億遠超過鄰近國家現在還因為外國媒體的報導台灣在整個國際社會被冠上詐騙之島的臭名那我請問主委你認為虛擬資產業者是不是已經做好\n579569\t594003\t防範詐騙守法 污染的準備以及目前金管會的監理法規現況啊 主委你認為應不應該來加強哪些這個面向的規範才能夠讓民眾有安全無虞啊投資虛擬資產的環境\n596005\t621185\t我想委員剛剛提到的確實是這是要立專法一個目的之一因為我們剛才提過我們打詐專法裡面已經把VASP納入跟金融機構一樣的反詐的義務我想這次我們剛才提到就是說我們也發現到就是說比如說我們在資訊通報的時候我們只能同業之間通報未來我們也希望在異業把它納入來強化這部分這也是我們一定要來做的\n621482\t643975\t好 最後一點 主委最近詐騙案件涉案對象多了許多專業人士甚至於包括公務員 包括律師 調查官俗話說 重賞之下必有勇夫那貪念更是罪惡的起點主委 現在就連知法換法的專業人士都可能\n644815\t665028\t不顧高道德標準動起貪念 挺核走險來涉及詐騙案件那我請問主委你認為虛擬資產業者有沒有必要對行業中的專業人士要求善良管理人的注意義務以阻止以深色法這些情況的發生\n669170\t688585\t對委員剛剛提到沒有錯就是我們這次專法裡面有一個專門的執法是針對這些從業人員的資格條件包括消極跟積極資格都會做要求這是我們在監理金融市場最基本的概念我想這部分已經把它納入了這樣我希望一定要嚴格規範謝謝謝謝委員謝謝林德福委員接下來我們請賴世保委員\n","txt":"謝謝 謝謝主席是不是請金管會彭主委好 我們請彭主委委員長\n主委您早主委我請教因為九月公告九家首批通過洗錢黃字登記新制的業者名單作為市場建立初步的監管基礎據瞭解這些業者對虛擬資產產業的未來發展都抱持著高度的期待那主委有業者指出目前台灣只有不到百分之五的民眾\n活躍在加密資產市場相比全球成熟市場如美國、韓國活躍人口達10%到15%以上那台灣的滲透率仍然偏低那我請問主委開拓國內虛擬資產市場的腳步你認為應該加速\n投資民眾參與來積極追上國外成熟的市場還是建構虛擬資產完整的法規進而徐徐投資你的看法呢謝謝委員剛剛那個問題我想陳柱委員講說有兩個選項那剛剛委員提到說那個成熟國家其實就以虛擬資產的發展的趨勢來看的話\n應該還不能稱得上就是我們所習慣的一般像資本市場或一般金融市場所謂的成熟市場它是在一個發展中也就是因為這樣最近各個國家才開始針對這個做一些初步的立法我想\n剛剛委員也提到說比如說這個活躍跟滲透度這部分我想在一個發展中的一個市場大概都有這樣一個趨勢我想金管會對於這個虛擬資產的這個態度呢就去年的時候我們有答應說我們會在今年的年中送出草案我們就按照這個我們按照循序漸進謹慎友好的態度應對這樣的發展\n所以說這是我們金管會現在的看法跟立場是不是 是的主委 金管會上半年金錢報告指出虛擬資產業者在防治洗錢打擊知恐及環舞擴的作業上有三個缺失包括客戶審查措施欠妥事對客戶交易持續監控機制\n這個不夠完善以及這個未來未建立有效獨立的集合等未確認高風險客戶的財富與資金的來源等那我請問主委金黃會這個\n經檢虛擬資產的業者所指出的缺失當中到底是故意比較多還是過失比較多你的看法呢是 我想說待會兒不足我請我們檢察局局長來說明我跟委員做個報告就是第一個\n其實我們現在在管理我剛才在報告中報告現在是屬於第三階段是採登記制它還是以洗錢防治為概念的基礎所以剛才比如提到的幾個問題比如說KYC做得不足還有事後的監控還有內控內機的部分\n我想在一個剛剛衍生出來的新產業的時候這個是會常見的一個情況畢竟開始假設我們專法通過它會變成是一個類似金融機構的高度監管那對於剛才講那幾個都是變成是未來基本的要求剛剛我在執法的報告裡面確實像比如我們會訂定嚴謹的內控累積制度還有財業物監理準則我想這部分大概未來都會有很顯著的改善\n那按照經檢缺失的個案分析故意或過失行為的成分佔比主委金管會是不是會作為制定法規監理寬延的依據或參考進一步建構更完善的虛擬資產的市場是我想方向當然是這樣我想有些細節我請我們的那個局長給就跟院長做一個簡單的說明\n報告委員就是說我們在檢查過程當中已經是根據我們現在初步針對洗錢房子的部分有這部分的缺失我們提這樣的一個意見給我們的檢查政期舉來做一些核處目前已經有對11家的幣商來進行核處共計裁罰了1300多萬\n那另外呢就是對於在未來這個在專法部分在有關於像內控內積的部分的要求還有法令遵循風險管理這部分這些共同的規範的部分我們日後一定會來做一個加強這樣齁是 主委\n缺失中提到虛擬資產客戶審查措施有欠妥事像是為確認這些高風險客戶的財富以及資金的來源那以及對已向法務部調查局通報疑似洗錢交易STR的客戶為事實研判是否調整客戶風險等級那我請問主委虛擬資產業者審查妥事\n審查的措施欠妥式那到底是業者考量審查要求過嚴所以才會為了這個業績來便宜行事還是審查措施通報有主觀上的落差所以才會有這個陽奉陰違的這些情況的出現你的看法\n我想剛才跟委員說明過我們的洗錢房制是一個非常非常嚴密的一個制度我想也是我們是遵循國際的規範以及其他部會我們共同來努力的部分那剛才講說他們在做這件事情的時候我們檢察局在檢查的時候發現了這個缺失我們就強烈要求我們也會移送相關的單位\n主委啊另外\n經檢缺失也提到虛擬資產業者對客戶交易時持續監控機制不夠完善以及沒有建立有效的獨立集合的功能那我請問主委到底虛擬資產業者\n為什麼沒有辦法依據提供虛擬資產服務之事業或人員防治洗錢以及打擊知恐的這些辦法的規定來建構和運作合規的監控機制以及完善獨立集合功能呢\n是跟委員報告其實我們在過去我們開始他是用洗房聲明進入到這個產業開始那是非常低度的管理後來我們今年3月30號開始以後他們必須登記制到9月底以前就剛才報告9月22號以前我們核准了9家以後呢接下來這些規範就會更為嚴格剛才委員提到就是說其實持續監控\n我們的判斷是除了可能受限於他資源條件跟人力的配置以外還有就是他對整個產業他是否準備好可不可以持續精進所以我們在這個過程當中淘汰了非常多的業者也就是因為我們不斷的要求他們一定要做到既然在未來市場我們要健全發展這些都是很基本一定要做到的\n主委對於虛擬資產業者的法規要求現階段到底是不是應該比照金融業者甚至於還需要更高另外會計師對虛擬資產業者的會計處理包括稅務的申報以及財產簽證等責任你認為國內的會計師是不是已經具備足夠的這些虛擬資產專業的準備\n其實我們在那個登記制的時候呢我們已經開始納入會計師來做一個協助我想這是一個他們的一個報告也是非常重要當然對一個新興產業而言包括很多的未來的稅制還有像這個比如說未來會計如何表達這個可能大家都要應驗稅的部分不是金管會的主管我想我們的相關主管當然也會注意到這件事情\n那只是說未來我們在專法裡面確實如委員所說的我們未來對虛擬資產服務業是採取高度監管的態度就是說當然他可能跟金融機構不太一樣但是那個觀念上是相近的比如說我們這次增加了對他的資本額財業務 內控 內積這些都是我們典型對金融機構的管理這個就更加強化不只是為了洗錢而已主委\n事實上由於詐騙手法不斷的翻新台灣已成為詐騙的重災區每日被騙的金額高達好幾億遠超過鄰近國家現在還因為外國媒體的報導台灣在整個國際社會被冠上詐騙之島的臭名那我請問主委你認為虛擬資產業者是不是已經做好\n防範詐騙守法 污染的準備以及目前金管會的監理法規現況啊 主委你認為應不應該來加強哪些這個面向的規範才能夠讓民眾有安全無虞啊投資虛擬資產的環境\n我想委員剛剛提到的確實是這是要立專法一個目的之一因為我們剛才提過我們打詐專法裡面已經把VASP納入跟金融機構一樣的反詐的義務我想這次我們剛才提到就是說我們也發現到就是說比如說我們在資訊通報的時候我們只能同業之間通報未來我們也希望在異業把它納入來強化這部分這也是我們一定要來做的\n好 最後一點 主委最近詐騙案件涉案對象多了許多專業人士甚至於包括公務員 包括律師 調查官俗話說 重賞之下必有勇夫那貪念更是罪惡的起點主委 現在就連知法換法的專業人士都可能\n不顧高道德標準動起貪念 挺核走險來涉及詐騙案件那我請問主委你認為虛擬資產業者有沒有必要對行業中的專業人士要求善良管理人的注意義務以阻止以深色法這些情況的發生\n對委員剛剛提到沒有錯就是我們這次專法裡面有一個專門的執法是針對這些從業人員的資格條件包括消極跟積極資格都會做要求這是我們在監理金融市場最基本的概念我想這部分已經把它納入了這樣我希望一定要嚴格規範謝謝謝謝委員謝謝林德福委員接下來我們請賴世保委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.189 --> 00:09.510\n謝謝謝謝主席是不是請金管會彭主委好我們請彭主委委員長\n\n00:11.001 --> 00:39.095\n主委您早主委我請教因為九月公告九家首批通過洗錢黃字登記新制的業者名單作為市場建立初步的監管基礎據瞭解這些業者對虛擬資產產業的未來發展都抱持著高度的期待那主委有業者指出目前台灣只有不到百分之五的民眾\n\n00:40.296 --> 01:01.745\n活躍在加密資產市場相比全球成熟市場如美國、韓國活躍人口達10%到15%以上那台灣的滲透率仍然偏低那我請問主委開拓國內虛擬資產市場的腳步你認為應該加速\n\n01:05.851 --> 01:24.259\n投資民眾參與來積極追上國外成熟的市場還是建構虛擬資產完整的法規進而徐徐投資你的看法呢謝謝委員剛剛那個問題我想陳柱委員講說有兩個選項那剛剛委員提到說那個成熟國家其實就以虛擬資產的發展的趨勢來看的話\n\n01:35.424 --> 01:48.854\n應該還不能稱得上就是我們所習慣的一般像資本市場或一般金融市場所謂的成熟市場它是在一個發展中也就是因為這樣最近各個國家才開始針對這個做一些初步的立法我想\n\n01:49.714 --> 02:09.354\n剛剛委員也提到說比如說這個活躍跟滲透度這部分我想在一個發展中的一個市場大概都有這樣一個趨勢我想金管會對於這個虛擬資產的這個態度呢就去年的時候我們有答應說我們會在今年的年中送出草案我們就按照這個我們按照循序漸進謹慎友好的態度應對這樣的發展\n\n02:11.806 --> 02:37.988\n所以說這是我們金管會現在的看法跟立場是不是是的主委金管會上半年金錢報告指出虛擬資產業者在防治洗錢打擊知恐及環舞擴的作業上有三個缺失包括客戶審查措施欠妥事對客戶交易持續監控機制\n\n02:40.891 --> 02:55.466\n這個不夠完善以及這個未來未建立有效獨立的集合等未確認高風險客戶的財富與資金的來源等那我請問主委金黃會這個\n\n02:59.871 --> 03:14.469\n經檢虛擬資產的業者所指出的缺失當中到底是故意比較多還是過失比較多你的看法呢是我想說待會兒不足我請我們檢察局局長來說明我跟委員做個報告就是第一個\n\n03:15.310 --> 03:30.744\n其實我們現在在管理我剛才在報告中報告現在是屬於第三階段是採登記制它還是以洗錢防治為概念的基礎所以剛才比如提到的幾個問題比如說KYC做得不足還有事後的監控還有內控內機的部分\n\n03:31.485 --> 03:57.393\n我想在一個剛剛衍生出來的新產業的時候這個是會常見的一個情況畢竟開始假設我們專法通過它會變成是一個類似金融機構的高度監管那對於剛才講那幾個都是變成是未來基本的要求剛剛我在執法的報告裡面確實像比如我們會訂定嚴謹的內控累積制度還有財業物監理準則我想這部分大概未來都會有很顯著的改善\n\n03:58.055 --> 04:22.789\n那按照經檢缺失的個案分析故意或過失行為的成分佔比主委金管會是不是會作為制定法規監理寬延的依據或參考進一步建構更完善的虛擬資產的市場是我想方向當然是這樣我想有些細節我請我們的那個局長給就跟院長做一個簡單的說明\n\n04:26.163 --> 04:43.474\n報告委員就是說我們在檢查過程當中已經是根據我們現在初步針對洗錢房子的部分有這部分的缺失我們提這樣的一個意見給我們的檢查政期舉來做一些核處目前已經有對11家的幣商來進行核處共計裁罰了1300多萬\n\n04:47.717 --> 05:00.867\n那另外呢就是對於在未來這個在專法部分在有關於像內控內積的部分的要求還有法令遵循風險管理這部分這些共同的規範的部分我們日後一定會來做一個加強這樣齁是主委\n\n05:03.149 --> 05:29.802\n缺失中提到虛擬資產客戶審查措施有欠妥事像是為確認這些高風險客戶的財富以及資金的來源那以及對已向法務部調查局通報疑似洗錢交易STR的客戶為事實研判是否調整客戶風險等級那我請問主委虛擬資產業者審查妥事\n\n05:33.244 --> 05:55.174\n審查的措施欠妥式那到底是業者考量審查要求過嚴所以才會為了這個業績來便宜行事還是審查措施通報有主觀上的落差所以才會有這個陽奉陰違的這些情況的出現你的看法\n\n05:56.004 --> 06:17.854\n我想剛才跟委員說明過我們的洗錢房制是一個非常非常嚴密的一個制度我想也是我們是遵循國際的規範以及其他部會我們共同來努力的部分那剛才講說他們在做這件事情的時候我們檢察局在檢查的時候發現了這個缺失我們就強烈要求我們也會移送相關的單位\n\n06:18.934 --> 06:19.495\n主委啊另外\n\n06:35.412 --> 06:50.217\n經檢缺失也提到虛擬資產業者對客戶交易時持續監控機制不夠完善以及沒有建立有效的獨立集合的功能那我請問主委到底虛擬資產業者\n\n06:52.658 --> 07:10.897\n為什麼沒有辦法依據提供虛擬資產服務之事業或人員防治洗錢以及打擊知恐的這些辦法的規定來建構和運作合規的監控機制以及完善獨立集合功能呢\n\n07:11.497 --> 07:33.226\n是跟委員報告其實我們在過去我們開始他是用洗房聲明進入到這個產業開始那是非常低度的管理後來我們今年3月30號開始以後他們必須登記制到9月底以前就剛才報告9月22號以前我們核准了9家以後呢接下來這些規範就會更為嚴格剛才委員提到就是說其實持續監控\n\n07:34.266 --> 07:54.990\n我們的判斷是除了可能受限於他資源條件跟人力的配置以外還有就是他對整個產業他是否準備好可不可以持續精進所以我們在這個過程當中淘汰了非常多的業者也就是因為我們不斷的要求他們一定要做到既然在未來市場我們要健全發展這些都是很基本一定要做到的\n\n07:55.330 --> 08:08.776\n主委對於虛擬資產業者的法規要求現階段到底是不是應該比照金融業者甚至於還需要更高另外會計師對虛擬資產業者的會計處理包括稅務的申報以及財產簽證等責任你認為國內的會計師是不是已經具備足夠的這些虛擬資產專業的準備\n\n08:21.884 --> 08:42.239\n其實我們在那個登記制的時候呢我們已經開始納入會計師來做一個協助我想這是一個他們的一個報告也是非常重要當然對一個新興產業而言包括很多的未來的稅制還有像這個比如說未來會計如何表達這個可能大家都要應驗稅的部分不是金管會的主管我想我們的相關主管當然也會注意到這件事情\n\n08:42.819 --> 09:10.921\n那只是說未來我們在專法裡面確實如委員所說的我們未來對虛擬資產服務業是採取高度監管的態度就是說當然他可能跟金融機構不太一樣但是那個觀念上是相近的比如說我們這次增加了對他的資本額財業務內控內積這些都是我們典型對金融機構的管理這個就更加強化不只是為了洗錢而已主委\n\n09:11.784 --> 09:38.207\n事實上由於詐騙手法不斷的翻新台灣已成為詐騙的重災區每日被騙的金額高達好幾億遠超過鄰近國家現在還因為外國媒體的報導台灣在整個國際社會被冠上詐騙之島的臭名那我請問主委你認為虛擬資產業者是不是已經做好\n\n09:39.569 --> 09:54.003\n防範詐騙守法污染的準備以及目前金管會的監理法規現況啊主委你認為應不應該來加強哪些這個面向的規範才能夠讓民眾有安全無虞啊投資虛擬資產的環境\n\n09:56.005 --> 10:21.185\n我想委員剛剛提到的確實是這是要立專法一個目的之一因為我們剛才提過我們打詐專法裡面已經把VASP納入跟金融機構一樣的反詐的義務我想這次我們剛才提到就是說我們也發現到就是說比如說我們在資訊通報的時候我們只能同業之間通報未來我們也希望在異業把它納入來強化這部分這也是我們一定要來做的\n\n10:21.482 --> 10:43.975\n好最後一點主委最近詐騙案件涉案對象多了許多專業人士甚至於包括公務員包括律師調查官俗話說重賞之下必有勇夫那貪念更是罪惡的起點主委現在就連知法換法的專業人士都可能\n\n10:44.815 --> 11:05.028\n不顧高道德標準動起貪念挺核走險來涉及詐騙案件那我請問主委你認為虛擬資產業者有沒有必要對行業中的專業人士要求善良管理人的注意義務以阻止以深色法這些情況的發生\n\n11:09.170 --> 11:28.585\n對委員剛剛提到沒有錯就是我們這次專法裡面有一個專門的執法是針對這些從業人員的資格條件包括消極跟積極資格都會做要求這是我們在監理金融市場最基本的概念我想這部分已經把它納入了這樣我希望一定要嚴格規範謝謝謝謝委員謝謝林德福委員接下來我們請賴世保委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":1.189,"end":9.51,"text":"謝謝 謝謝主席是不是請金管會彭主委好 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