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00:02:52,183\n做記錄當然更不會切片什麼讓他們有機會去做這個豬瘟的檢驗那所以我想請教防疫組認為快遞包裹的這個豬肉不用驗不用驗非洲豬瘟嗎我想請署長跟副署長兩位說明一下為什麼不需要去驗呢\n\n10\n00:02:52,543 --> 00:03:16,877\n那個委員我跟您報告我更正資料沒有您剛剛講的那個數據是所有不僅僅是旅客你包括國際或郵輪包括還有包括快捷這些攔下來的攔截物我們全部把它收集起來一定燒毀這第一個步驟一定燒毀那燒毀前因為海關通知我們這一定是被檢出檢出物才會通知我們假設毒品就通知其他的一個單位\n\n11\n00:03:17,717 --> 00:03:33,129\n那我們第一個動作也會抽檢那這些的抽檢數就一定第一時間送到這個獸醫所去做檢測所以這個裡面才發現到說所有的丟棄物裡面有10%是屬於陽性的其他9%是陰性的\n\n12\n00:03:35,091 --> 00:04:02,373\n就是說你那個說母數好了因為真正母數沒有人知道但是我要再確認一下因為我昨天才詢問那個上面那個有快遞輸入的這個裁罰案件你也看到很少嘛我們要問的就是說快遞輸入的這個裁罰案件中可是同仁就回答說關務署查獲這個快遞包裹裡面有豬肉產品的時候只是書面回覆書面告知這個防檢署\n\n13\n00:04:03,502 --> 00:04:05,724\n他不會有樣本你沒有樣本你怎麼抽驗跟委員報告海關就是在查驗這個入境旅客行李不管是這個在機場或者是這個郵輪的旅客的行李以及這個郵包\n\n14\n00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:42,551\n或者是快遞貨物包括空運快遞海運快遞我們只要是查獲是裡頭有豬肉或者是豬肉製品的話我們立即就是通知房檢署我們通知他是由他們來處理那房檢署來他們會把這個按貨那他們就會是拿回去處理會去做這個檢驗那我從這個數字來看那有可能這幾件\n\n15\n00:04:47,714 --> 00:05:09,543\n你這快遞輸入的東西就這幾件被塞到有這個嗎這個部分我還是要再釐清你現在是用這個說法我也讓你有充分時間來說明但是事實上我還是有質疑的就是說旅客吸入的也許你們是比較能夠去處理不管是他丟棄或是說你查獲然後但是快遞的部分這個是非常量非常龐大\n\n16\n00:05:11,623 --> 00:05:26,809\n公務員報告就是快遞的部分我們是書面通知防檢署來海關這邊來處理讓他們來處理的話就會把這個我們查獲的這個都切片嗎那回去的話是防檢署他們會去做相關的檢驗這就是防檢署後續他的處理\n\n17\n00:05:30,711 --> 00:05:59,225\n好這個我要再確認我暫時就是說你就這樣說法那個黑色框框下一張這是我從臉書公開的這個團購社團的截圖他標榜第一手是大陸源頭的發貨裡面賣好多豬絞精什麼魚香肉絲飯內含小酥肉的自煮火鍋其實任何人你在網路上輸入這幾個字大陸中國零食馬上就有這種購買連結什麼蝦皮臉書這個團購社團line社群但是這些不都是在這個邊境\n\n18\n00:06:00,345 --> 00:06:26,184\n一查到就要被查棄的嗎為什麼在網路上可以賣而且很自豪說你看左邊那個黑框的那個我發貨就是說發貨速度低代表說供貨速度很穩定而且他支持各式各樣的物流那我覺得國人入境大家都會互相提醒我們不要帶這個肉製品大家都很努力怎麼這麼久了我們發現這個政府的責任好像是有問題公開的團購社團這麼猖獗\n\n19\n00:06:29,286 --> 00:06:46,785\n到現在今天還在營運喔那我繼續讓大家看紅色框框紅色框框紅色框框是在你在網路上隨便打這個集運特貨等一下這兩個字詞我再想請教你們理不理解馬上就會出現蝦皮或是小紅書的這個廣告業者的截圖\n\n20\n00:06:49,465 --> 00:07:06,113\n他甚至會告訴你急運業者標榜說我可以運送特殊敏感貨物那在小紅書上面甚至說直接說我可以承接雞爪還有豬腳筋等等的訂貨那我先請教副署長您知道什麼叫做急運什麼叫特貨嗎\n\n21\n00:07:07,475 --> 00:07:23,709\n您知道嗎我跟我跟委員報告其實我們現在每天都有上網去做搜尋那只要看到這些違規的廣告全部都會到我們合作就是有電商\n\n22\n00:07:24,389 --> 00:07:38,744\n平台合作的請他下架那假設就讓他們有幾個的措施現在大概有屏蔽措施屏蔽措施就是會讓你看不到那假設有漏網之魚看得到那麼他們也會做即時處理那第二個\n\n23\n00:07:41,246 --> 00:07:55,182\n他們也會自主管理也就是說AI的部分假設是台灣來自台灣的AI下訂的時候你也買不到你也買不到那即使你訂了你刷的是台灣的信用卡\n\n24\n00:07:57,263 --> 00:08:22,430\n你跟我說他買不到而且長久這個好像很穩定供貨那我想再請問一下夾帶豬肉的產品回到我們今天主題有多少來自這種集運包裹你知道集運嘛各地買然後集中在一起一起然後再合併包裹然後這樣子可以減少運費啊那我再說明一下有多少來自這個還是你沒有辦法講清楚不是因為這樣講是所有的包裹是海關這一邊他們過關以後然後S光檢查有疑慮他就會\n\n25\n00:08:23,850 --> 00:08:39,820\n第一時間通知我們我們就過去來判定那假設有豬肉產品我們開箱有豬肉產品我們一定收集以後我們抽驗然後呢集合在一起這種特殊疾運不是只有中國運到台灣因為越南也有因為這次爆發的這個非洲豬瘟\n\n26\n00:08:40,680 --> 00:08:56,680\n好像有報告說是病毒書是越南的病毒豬啦所以有很大可能這一次是來自越南的豬肉產品這還有病毒造成但是我要講說這麼明目張膽的宣傳這個敏感貨物啦特殊貨物啊請問關務署有掌握這些業者嗎你有掌握這些業者嗎\n\n27\n00:08:58,465 --> 00:09:21,354\n跟委員報告因為這個是平台平台這個部分還有這個這個就是電商平台其實不是屬於這個業者不是海關這邊轄管不是海關那是誰呢但是我們這邊我們這邊就是我們現在因為我們要加強來這個查核我們現在會要求這個以後快遞貨物網購\n\n28\n00:09:23,695 --> 00:09:47,707\n網購的這個貨物的一個報關的時候我們要求他必須要申報電商平台跟集運商的這個相關資訊讓我們去做這個整個一個風險的一個管控那你剛剛你稍微提到了你X光夠不夠啊你檢疫數這個全這個數量夠嗎集貨包裹你全部有破包嗎集貨集運的這種包裹現在很多耶我們快遞貨物全部百分之百過X光\n\n29\n00:09:48,948 --> 00:10:15,842\n全部100%所以我們如果在影像判讀上面看到有異常就會拉下來那個數字還是很有問題啦謝謝你那我請教一下江署長你們的預算裡面有一個科目叫做食品邊境查驗及國內外稽查管理請問這個科目有用在夾帶豬肉包裹還有去驗豬瘟病毒的部分嗎這個費用有用在這個地方嗎\n\n30\n00:10:17,163 --> 00:10:33,859\n我們所有費用都在邊境查驗的時候在應用那對於食品裡面對非洲豬瘟因為非洲豬瘟是對人體是沒有危害所以我們在食品面其實目前是沒有特別去驗但是我們有這個能力但是我們目前\n\n31\n00:10:34,119 --> 00:10:54,709\n就是說目前我現在業務的處理就是說你們是依照食安法剛剛部長有報告就是對進口食品藥品有沒有違法這個添加當然我們最重要就譬如豬這個有沒有瘦肉精等等那當海關發現有夾帶豬肋包裹的時候以及動植物要涉及動植物的檢驗檢疫的時候防疫檢驗他會通知的是防檢署\n\n32\n00:10:56,350 --> 00:11:03,837\n他不是通知你們因為他們要來進行那個病毒的核酸檢驗我這個說法對嗎食藥署沒有負責做這個非洲溫豬的這個檢驗\n\n33\n00:11:06,618 --> 00:11:32,614\n有沒有我們沒有目前沒有做非洲溫豬但是我們準備有這樣子的量能做核酸檢驗好你有這個能力但是目前這個業務不是你們嘛我要談的還是一個啦就是假訊息啦這個嗯好這個卓冠廷民進黨側翼啦三立媒體等等啦他們就在造謠啊說這個是食藥署的邊境管制預算是因為這個不能刪因為跟豬溫是有關這次就是因為刪在這裡\n\n34\n00:11:34,155 --> 00:11:52,869\n豬瘟的部分就爆發了這寫的這樣堂堂皇皇這個整個就是假消息在誤導啊這個部分不是食藥署的工作嘛不是食藥署工作嘛這個病毒不是你們在做的嘛測病毒不是但是針對我們的進口食品包括來源所有的是屬於\n\n35\n00:11:55,373 --> 00:12:10,525\n非議區裡面跟議區裡面我們會清楚的規定那你現在沒錢去做這個所以今天柱瘟爆發了有點這樣你要不要做一個釐清呢就麻煩署長您再講一下您現在負責的東西是什麼那筆預算是用在什麼地方\n\n36\n00:12:11,511 --> 00:12:31,989\n我們對於這邊境的預算其實我們的人力去查查所有的商品所有的商品也包含了我們可能不是在合法的進口的區域的任何商品不管是食品裡面或者是違法的肉品的進口非疫區的肉品等等都會是我們查查\n\n37\n00:12:32,409 --> 00:13:00,285\n但是我們並沒有查查的時候去檢驗所以檢驗那一塊的話事實上是在跨部署裡面跟農業部進一步的協作好所以簡單的說這一次的豬瘟的事件是跟食藥署應該是不掛鉤的因為你沒有負責檢驗委員這樣定義的話我們非常感謝也沒有你的責任嘛是不是是這樣嗎好謝謝謝謝謝謝署長謝謝主席好謝謝陳委署長請回那個要不要請拿一杯溫開水給杜署長這有待\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n709\t5412\t關務署副署長還有房檢署的杜署長請署長 副署長蘇副署長杜署長好\n13482\t40675\t兩位首長早根據我的邏輯思考這個非洲這個豬瘟的病毒它不可能憑空出現在台灣那應該就是說帶有病毒的豬肉產品它被夾帶入境了但是這個豬肉產品也不可能自己飛進台灣所以應該有三個途徑第一個就是旅客自己吸入吸帶入境第二個是快遞包裹入境第三個是走私入境\n41336\t42700\t這三種途徑請問兩位認同嗎\n45822\t71715\t是這三種途徑那麼根據這個農業部最新的統計數據從2018年到10月23號旅客吸入的這個豬肉產品不管是自主丟棄或是被查獲那個防檢署會總有9511件違規輸入的產品那其中997件被查到是豬瘟是陽性也就是違規輸入的豬肉品當中有一成大概10.5%\n73556\t88292\t有驗出非洲的豬瘟病毒那這個比率是相當高的可是我要確認一下我一直到昨天晚上我才知道這個數字還只是僅限於旅客吸入的部分\n89673\t119393\t只限於旅客吸入的部分喔這個是你們前兩天的報告就是就防檢署的報告那這張圖我想請兩位收看這張圖這張圖是昨天昨天防檢署回覆給我的資料我要了好多天辦公室同時有詢問說快遞輸入的豬肉產品裁罰案件數當中我們就問他快遞輸入這個途徑進來而且被裁罰的有多少裡面是含著非洲豬瘟的病毒\n120493\t135240\t但是您可以想見嗎 這個署長防檢署的同仁回答說這個部分因為關務署查獲快遞包括有豬肉製品的時候只會用書面通知防檢署不會有樣本\n136700\t151727\t換句話說根本就不會去檢驗是否有非洲豬瘟這件事非常讓我震驚當你發現有豬肉產品的時候根本不做下一步的檢驗就是通知書面通知這個防檢署\n153903\t172183\t做記錄當然更不會切片什麼讓他們有機會去做這個豬瘟的檢驗那所以我想請教防疫組認為快遞包裹的這個豬肉不用驗不用驗非洲豬瘟嗎我想請署長跟副署長兩位說明一下為什麼不需要去驗呢\n172543\t196877\t那個委員我跟您報告我更正資料沒有您剛剛講的那個數據是所有不僅僅是旅客你包括國際或郵輪包括還有包括快捷這些攔下來的攔截物我們全部把它收集起來一定燒毀這第一個步驟一定燒毀那燒毀前因為海關通知我們這一定是被檢出檢出物才會通知我們假設毒品就通知其他的一個單位\n197717\t213129\t那我們第一個動作也會抽檢那這些的抽檢數就一定第一時間送到這個獸醫所去做檢測所以這個裡面才發現到說所有的丟棄物裡面有10%是屬於陽性的其他9%是陰性的\n215091\t242373\t就是說你那個說母數好了因為真正母數沒有人知道但是我要再確認一下因為我昨天才詢問那個上面那個有快遞輸入的這個裁罰案件你也看到很少嘛我們要問的就是說快遞輸入的這個裁罰案件中可是同仁就回答說關務署查獲這個快遞包裹裡面有豬肉產品的時候只是書面回覆書面告知這個防檢署\n243502\t245724\t他不會有樣本 你沒有樣本你怎麼抽驗跟委員報告 海關就是在查驗這個入境旅客行李不管是這個在機場或者是這個郵輪的旅客的行李以及這個郵包\n263760\t282551\t或者是快遞貨物包括空運快遞海運快遞我們只要是查獲是裡頭有豬肉或者是豬肉製品的話我們立即就是通知房檢署我們通知他是由他們來處理那房檢署來他們會把這個按貨那他們就會是拿回去處理會去做這個檢驗那我從這個數字來看那有可能這幾件\n287714\t309543\t你這快遞輸入的東西就這幾件被塞到有這個嗎這個部分我還是要再釐清你現在是用這個說法我也讓你有充分時間來說明但是事實上我還是有質疑的就是說旅客吸入的也許你們是比較能夠去處理不管是他丟棄或是說你查獲然後但是快遞的部分這個是非常量非常龐大\n311623\t326809\t公務員報告就是快遞的部分我們是書面通知防檢署來海關這邊來處理讓他們來處理的話就會把這個我們查獲的這個都切片嗎那回去的話是防檢署他們會去做相關的檢驗這就是防檢署後續他的處理\n330711\t359225\t好這個我要再確認我暫時就是說你就這樣說法那個黑色框框下一張這是我從臉書公開的這個團購社團的截圖他標榜第一手是大陸源頭的發貨裡面賣好多豬絞精什麼魚香肉絲飯內含小酥肉的自煮火鍋其實任何人你在網路上輸入這幾個字大陸中國零食馬上就有這種購買連結什麼蝦皮臉書這個團購社團line社群但是這些不都是在這個邊境\n360345\t386184\t一查到就要被查棄的嗎為什麼在網路上可以賣而且很自豪說你看左邊那個黑框的那個我發貨就是說發貨速度低代表說供貨速度很穩定而且他支持各式各樣的物流那我覺得國人入境大家都會互相提醒我們不要帶這個肉製品大家都很努力怎麼這麼久了我們發現這個政府的責任好像是有問題公開的團購社團這麼猖獗\n389286\t406785\t到現在今天還在營運喔那我繼續讓大家看紅色框框紅色框框紅色框框是在你在網路上隨便打這個集運特貨等一下這兩個字詞我再想請教你們理不理解馬上就會出現蝦皮或是小紅書的這個廣告業者的截圖\n409465\t426113\t他甚至會告訴你急運業者標榜說我可以運送特殊敏感貨物那在小紅書上面甚至說直接說我可以承接雞爪還有豬腳筋等等的訂貨那我先請教副署長您知道什麼叫做急運什麼叫特貨嗎\n427475\t443709\t您知道嗎 我跟 我跟委員報告其實我們現在每天都有上網去做搜尋那只要看到這些違規的廣告全部都會到我們合作就是有電商\n444389\t458744\t平台合作的請他下架那假設就讓他們有幾個的措施現在大概有屏蔽措施屏蔽措施就是會讓你看不到那假設有漏網之魚看得到那麼他們也會做即時處理那第二個\n461246\t475182\t他們也會自主管理也就是說AI的部分假設是台灣來自台灣的AI下訂的時候你也買不到你也買不到那即使你訂了你刷的是台灣的信用卡\n477263\t502430\t你跟我說他買不到 而且長久 這個好像很穩定供貨那我想再請問一下 夾帶豬肉的產品 回到我們今天主題有多少來自這種集運包裹 你知道集運嘛 各地買然後集中在一起 一起然後再合併包裹 然後這樣子可以減少運費啊那我再說明一下 有多少來自這個 還是你沒有辦法講清楚不是 因為這樣講是 所有的包裹是海關這一邊他們過關以後 然後S光檢查有疑慮 他就會\n503850\t519820\t第一時間通知我們我們就過去來判定那假設有豬肉產品我們開箱有豬肉產品我們一定收集以後我們抽驗然後呢集合在一起這種特殊疾運不是只有中國運到台灣因為越南也有因為這次爆發的這個非洲豬瘟\n520680\t536680\t好像有報告說是病毒書是越南的病毒豬啦所以有很大可能這一次是來自越南的豬肉產品這還有病毒造成但是我要講說這麼明目張膽的宣傳這個敏感貨物啦 特殊貨物啊請問關務署有掌握這些業者嗎你有掌握這些業者嗎\n538465\t561354\t跟委員報告 因為這個是平台平台這個部分還有這個這個就是電商平台其實不是屬於這個業者不是海關這邊轄管不是海關 那是誰呢但是我們這邊我們這邊就是我們現在因為我們要加強來這個查核我們現在會要求這個以後快遞貨物網購\n563695\t587707\t網購的這個貨物的一個報關的時候我們要求他必須要申報電商平台跟集運商的這個相關資訊讓我們去做這個整個一個風險的一個管控那你剛剛你稍微提到了你X光夠不夠啊你檢疫數這個全這個數量夠嗎集貨包裹你全部有破包嗎集貨集運的這種包裹現在很多耶我們快遞貨物全部百分之百過X光\n588948\t615842\t全部100%所以我們如果在影像判讀上面看到有異常就會拉下來那個數字還是很有問題啦謝謝你 那我請教一下江署長你們的預算裡面有一個科目叫做食品邊境查驗及國內外稽查管理請問這個科目有用在夾帶豬肉包裹還有去驗豬瘟病毒的部分嗎這個費用有用在這個地方嗎\n617163\t633859\t我們所有費用都在邊境查驗的時候在應用那對於食品裡面對非洲豬瘟因為非洲豬瘟是對人體是沒有危害所以我們在食品面其實目前是沒有特別去驗但是我們有這個能力但是我們目前\n634119\t654709\t就是說目前我現在業務的處理就是說你們是依照食安法剛剛部長有報告就是對進口食品藥品有沒有違法這個添加當然我們最重要就譬如豬這個有沒有瘦肉精等等那當海關發現有夾帶豬肋包裹的時候以及動植物要涉及動植物的檢驗檢疫的時候防疫檢驗他會通知的是防檢署\n656350\t663837\t他不是通知你們因為他們要來進行那個病毒的核酸檢驗我這個說法對嗎食藥署沒有負責做這個非洲溫豬的這個檢驗\n666618\t692614\t有沒有 我們沒有 目前沒有做非洲溫豬但是我們準備有這樣子的量能做核酸檢驗 好 你有這個能力但是目前這個業務不是你們嘛我要談的還是一個啦 就是假訊息啦這個 嗯 好 這個 卓冠廷 民進黨側翼啦三立媒體等等啦 他們就在造謠啊說這個是食藥署的邊境管制預算是因為 這個不能刪 因為跟豬溫是有關這次就是因為刪在這裡\n694155\t712869\t豬瘟的部分就爆發了 這寫的這樣堂堂皇皇這個整個就是假消息在誤導啊這個部分不是食藥署的工作嘛不是食藥署工作嘛這個病毒不是你們在做的嘛測病毒不是 但是針對我們的進口食品包括來源 所有的是屬於\n715373\t730525\t非議區裡面跟議區裡面我們會清楚的規定那你現在沒錢去做這個所以今天柱瘟爆發了有點這樣你要不要做一個釐清呢就麻煩署長您再講一下您現在負責的東西是什麼那筆預算是用在什麼地方\n731511\t751989\t我們對於這邊境的預算其實我們的人力去查查所有的商品所有的商品也包含了我們可能不是在合法的進口的區域的任何商品不管是食品裡面或者是違法的肉品的進口非疫區的肉品等等都會是我們查查\n752409\t780285\t但是我們並沒有查查的時候去檢驗所以檢驗那一塊的話事實上是在跨部署裡面跟農業部進一步的協作好 所以簡單的說這一次的豬瘟的事件是跟食藥署應該是不掛鉤的因為你沒有負責檢驗 委員這樣定義的話我們非常感謝也沒有你的責任嘛 是不是 是這樣嗎好 謝謝 謝謝謝謝署長 謝謝主席好 謝謝陳委 署長請回那個要不要請拿一杯溫開水給杜署長這有待\n","txt":"關務署副署長還有房檢署的杜署長請署長 副署長蘇副署長杜署長好\n兩位首長早根據我的邏輯思考這個非洲這個豬瘟的病毒它不可能憑空出現在台灣那應該就是說帶有病毒的豬肉產品它被夾帶入境了但是這個豬肉產品也不可能自己飛進台灣所以應該有三個途徑第一個就是旅客自己吸入吸帶入境第二個是快遞包裹入境第三個是走私入境\n這三種途徑請問兩位認同嗎\n是這三種途徑那麼根據這個農業部最新的統計數據從2018年到10月23號旅客吸入的這個豬肉產品不管是自主丟棄或是被查獲那個防檢署會總有9511件違規輸入的產品那其中997件被查到是豬瘟是陽性也就是違規輸入的豬肉品當中有一成大概10.5%\n有驗出非洲的豬瘟病毒那這個比率是相當高的可是我要確認一下我一直到昨天晚上我才知道這個數字還只是僅限於旅客吸入的部分\n只限於旅客吸入的部分喔這個是你們前兩天的報告就是就防檢署的報告那這張圖我想請兩位收看這張圖這張圖是昨天昨天防檢署回覆給我的資料我要了好多天辦公室同時有詢問說快遞輸入的豬肉產品裁罰案件數當中我們就問他快遞輸入這個途徑進來而且被裁罰的有多少裡面是含著非洲豬瘟的病毒\n但是您可以想見嗎 這個署長防檢署的同仁回答說這個部分因為關務署查獲快遞包括有豬肉製品的時候只會用書面通知防檢署不會有樣本\n換句話說根本就不會去檢驗是否有非洲豬瘟這件事非常讓我震驚當你發現有豬肉產品的時候根本不做下一步的檢驗就是通知書面通知這個防檢署\n做記錄當然更不會切片什麼讓他們有機會去做這個豬瘟的檢驗那所以我想請教防疫組認為快遞包裹的這個豬肉不用驗不用驗非洲豬瘟嗎我想請署長跟副署長兩位說明一下為什麼不需要去驗呢\n那個委員我跟您報告我更正資料沒有您剛剛講的那個數據是所有不僅僅是旅客你包括國際或郵輪包括還有包括快捷這些攔下來的攔截物我們全部把它收集起來一定燒毀這第一個步驟一定燒毀那燒毀前因為海關通知我們這一定是被檢出檢出物才會通知我們假設毒品就通知其他的一個單位\n那我們第一個動作也會抽檢那這些的抽檢數就一定第一時間送到這個獸醫所去做檢測所以這個裡面才發現到說所有的丟棄物裡面有10%是屬於陽性的其他9%是陰性的\n就是說你那個說母數好了因為真正母數沒有人知道但是我要再確認一下因為我昨天才詢問那個上面那個有快遞輸入的這個裁罰案件你也看到很少嘛我們要問的就是說快遞輸入的這個裁罰案件中可是同仁就回答說關務署查獲這個快遞包裹裡面有豬肉產品的時候只是書面回覆書面告知這個防檢署\n他不會有樣本 你沒有樣本你怎麼抽驗跟委員報告 海關就是在查驗這個入境旅客行李不管是這個在機場或者是這個郵輪的旅客的行李以及這個郵包\n或者是快遞貨物包括空運快遞海運快遞我們只要是查獲是裡頭有豬肉或者是豬肉製品的話我們立即就是通知房檢署我們通知他是由他們來處理那房檢署來他們會把這個按貨那他們就會是拿回去處理會去做這個檢驗那我從這個數字來看那有可能這幾件\n你這快遞輸入的東西就這幾件被塞到有這個嗎這個部分我還是要再釐清你現在是用這個說法我也讓你有充分時間來說明但是事實上我還是有質疑的就是說旅客吸入的也許你們是比較能夠去處理不管是他丟棄或是說你查獲然後但是快遞的部分這個是非常量非常龐大\n公務員報告就是快遞的部分我們是書面通知防檢署來海關這邊來處理讓他們來處理的話就會把這個我們查獲的這個都切片嗎那回去的話是防檢署他們會去做相關的檢驗這就是防檢署後續他的處理\n好這個我要再確認我暫時就是說你就這樣說法那個黑色框框下一張這是我從臉書公開的這個團購社團的截圖他標榜第一手是大陸源頭的發貨裡面賣好多豬絞精什麼魚香肉絲飯內含小酥肉的自煮火鍋其實任何人你在網路上輸入這幾個字大陸中國零食馬上就有這種購買連結什麼蝦皮臉書這個團購社團line社群但是這些不都是在這個邊境\n一查到就要被查棄的嗎為什麼在網路上可以賣而且很自豪說你看左邊那個黑框的那個我發貨就是說發貨速度低代表說供貨速度很穩定而且他支持各式各樣的物流那我覺得國人入境大家都會互相提醒我們不要帶這個肉製品大家都很努力怎麼這麼久了我們發現這個政府的責任好像是有問題公開的團購社團這麼猖獗\n到現在今天還在營運喔那我繼續讓大家看紅色框框紅色框框紅色框框是在你在網路上隨便打這個集運特貨等一下這兩個字詞我再想請教你們理不理解馬上就會出現蝦皮或是小紅書的這個廣告業者的截圖\n他甚至會告訴你急運業者標榜說我可以運送特殊敏感貨物那在小紅書上面甚至說直接說我可以承接雞爪還有豬腳筋等等的訂貨那我先請教副署長您知道什麼叫做急運什麼叫特貨嗎\n您知道嗎 我跟 我跟委員報告其實我們現在每天都有上網去做搜尋那只要看到這些違規的廣告全部都會到我們合作就是有電商\n平台合作的請他下架那假設就讓他們有幾個的措施現在大概有屏蔽措施屏蔽措施就是會讓你看不到那假設有漏網之魚看得到那麼他們也會做即時處理那第二個\n他們也會自主管理也就是說AI的部分假設是台灣來自台灣的AI下訂的時候你也買不到你也買不到那即使你訂了你刷的是台灣的信用卡\n你跟我說他買不到 而且長久 這個好像很穩定供貨那我想再請問一下 夾帶豬肉的產品 回到我們今天主題有多少來自這種集運包裹 你知道集運嘛 各地買然後集中在一起 一起然後再合併包裹 然後這樣子可以減少運費啊那我再說明一下 有多少來自這個 還是你沒有辦法講清楚不是 因為這樣講是 所有的包裹是海關這一邊他們過關以後 然後S光檢查有疑慮 他就會\n第一時間通知我們我們就過去來判定那假設有豬肉產品我們開箱有豬肉產品我們一定收集以後我們抽驗然後呢集合在一起這種特殊疾運不是只有中國運到台灣因為越南也有因為這次爆發的這個非洲豬瘟\n好像有報告說是病毒書是越南的病毒豬啦所以有很大可能這一次是來自越南的豬肉產品這還有病毒造成但是我要講說這麼明目張膽的宣傳這個敏感貨物啦 特殊貨物啊請問關務署有掌握這些業者嗎你有掌握這些業者嗎\n跟委員報告 因為這個是平台平台這個部分還有這個這個就是電商平台其實不是屬於這個業者不是海關這邊轄管不是海關 那是誰呢但是我們這邊我們這邊就是我們現在因為我們要加強來這個查核我們現在會要求這個以後快遞貨物網購\n網購的這個貨物的一個報關的時候我們要求他必須要申報電商平台跟集運商的這個相關資訊讓我們去做這個整個一個風險的一個管控那你剛剛你稍微提到了你X光夠不夠啊你檢疫數這個全這個數量夠嗎集貨包裹你全部有破包嗎集貨集運的這種包裹現在很多耶我們快遞貨物全部百分之百過X光\n全部100%所以我們如果在影像判讀上面看到有異常就會拉下來那個數字還是很有問題啦謝謝你 那我請教一下江署長你們的預算裡面有一個科目叫做食品邊境查驗及國內外稽查管理請問這個科目有用在夾帶豬肉包裹還有去驗豬瘟病毒的部分嗎這個費用有用在這個地方嗎\n我們所有費用都在邊境查驗的時候在應用那對於食品裡面對非洲豬瘟因為非洲豬瘟是對人體是沒有危害所以我們在食品面其實目前是沒有特別去驗但是我們有這個能力但是我們目前\n就是說目前我現在業務的處理就是說你們是依照食安法剛剛部長有報告就是對進口食品藥品有沒有違法這個添加當然我們最重要就譬如豬這個有沒有瘦肉精等等那當海關發現有夾帶豬肋包裹的時候以及動植物要涉及動植物的檢驗檢疫的時候防疫檢驗他會通知的是防檢署\n他不是通知你們因為他們要來進行那個病毒的核酸檢驗我這個說法對嗎食藥署沒有負責做這個非洲溫豬的這個檢驗\n有沒有 我們沒有 目前沒有做非洲溫豬但是我們準備有這樣子的量能做核酸檢驗 好 你有這個能力但是目前這個業務不是你們嘛我要談的還是一個啦 就是假訊息啦這個 嗯 好 這個 卓冠廷 民進黨側翼啦三立媒體等等啦 他們就在造謠啊說這個是食藥署的邊境管制預算是因為 這個不能刪 因為跟豬溫是有關這次就是因為刪在這裡\n豬瘟的部分就爆發了 這寫的這樣堂堂皇皇這個整個就是假消息在誤導啊這個部分不是食藥署的工作嘛不是食藥署工作嘛這個病毒不是你們在做的嘛測病毒不是 但是針對我們的進口食品包括來源 所有的是屬於\n非議區裡面跟議區裡面我們會清楚的規定那你現在沒錢去做這個所以今天柱瘟爆發了有點這樣你要不要做一個釐清呢就麻煩署長您再講一下您現在負責的東西是什麼那筆預算是用在什麼地方\n我們對於這邊境的預算其實我們的人力去查查所有的商品所有的商品也包含了我們可能不是在合法的進口的區域的任何商品不管是食品裡面或者是違法的肉品的進口非疫區的肉品等等都會是我們查查\n但是我們並沒有查查的時候去檢驗所以檢驗那一塊的話事實上是在跨部署裡面跟農業部進一步的協作好 所以簡單的說這一次的豬瘟的事件是跟食藥署應該是不掛鉤的因為你沒有負責檢驗 委員這樣定義的話我們非常感謝也沒有你的責任嘛 是不是 是這樣嗎好 謝謝 謝謝謝謝署長 謝謝主席好 謝謝陳委 署長請回那個要不要請拿一杯溫開水給杜署長這有待\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.709 --> 00:05.412\n關務署副署長還有房檢署的杜署長請署長副署長蘇副署長杜署長好\n\n00:13.482 --> 00:40.675\n兩位首長早根據我的邏輯思考這個非洲這個豬瘟的病毒它不可能憑空出現在台灣那應該就是說帶有病毒的豬肉產品它被夾帶入境了但是這個豬肉產品也不可能自己飛進台灣所以應該有三個途徑第一個就是旅客自己吸入吸帶入境第二個是快遞包裹入境第三個是走私入境\n\n00:41.336 --> 00:42.700\n這三種途徑請問兩位認同嗎\n\n00:45.822 --> 01:11.715\n是這三種途徑那麼根據這個農業部最新的統計數據從2018年到10月23號旅客吸入的這個豬肉產品不管是自主丟棄或是被查獲那個防檢署會總有9511件違規輸入的產品那其中997件被查到是豬瘟是陽性也就是違規輸入的豬肉品當中有一成大概10.5%\n\n01:13.556 --> 01:28.292\n有驗出非洲的豬瘟病毒那這個比率是相當高的可是我要確認一下我一直到昨天晚上我才知道這個數字還只是僅限於旅客吸入的部分\n\n01:29.673 --> 01:59.393\n只限於旅客吸入的部分喔這個是你們前兩天的報告就是就防檢署的報告那這張圖我想請兩位收看這張圖這張圖是昨天昨天防檢署回覆給我的資料我要了好多天辦公室同時有詢問說快遞輸入的豬肉產品裁罰案件數當中我們就問他快遞輸入這個途徑進來而且被裁罰的有多少裡面是含著非洲豬瘟的病毒\n\n02:00.493 --> 02:15.240\n但是您可以想見嗎這個署長防檢署的同仁回答說這個部分因為關務署查獲快遞包括有豬肉製品的時候只會用書面通知防檢署不會有樣本\n\n02:16.700 --> 02:31.727\n換句話說根本就不會去檢驗是否有非洲豬瘟這件事非常讓我震驚當你發現有豬肉產品的時候根本不做下一步的檢驗就是通知書面通知這個防檢署\n\n02:33.903 --> 02:52.183\n做記錄當然更不會切片什麼讓他們有機會去做這個豬瘟的檢驗那所以我想請教防疫組認為快遞包裹的這個豬肉不用驗不用驗非洲豬瘟嗎我想請署長跟副署長兩位說明一下為什麼不需要去驗呢\n\n02:52.543 --> 03:16.877\n那個委員我跟您報告我更正資料沒有您剛剛講的那個數據是所有不僅僅是旅客你包括國際或郵輪包括還有包括快捷這些攔下來的攔截物我們全部把它收集起來一定燒毀這第一個步驟一定燒毀那燒毀前因為海關通知我們這一定是被檢出檢出物才會通知我們假設毒品就通知其他的一個單位\n\n03:17.717 --> 03:33.129\n那我們第一個動作也會抽檢那這些的抽檢數就一定第一時間送到這個獸醫所去做檢測所以這個裡面才發現到說所有的丟棄物裡面有10%是屬於陽性的其他9%是陰性的\n\n03:35.091 --> 04:02.373\n就是說你那個說母數好了因為真正母數沒有人知道但是我要再確認一下因為我昨天才詢問那個上面那個有快遞輸入的這個裁罰案件你也看到很少嘛我們要問的就是說快遞輸入的這個裁罰案件中可是同仁就回答說關務署查獲這個快遞包裹裡面有豬肉產品的時候只是書面回覆書面告知這個防檢署\n\n04:03.502 --> 04:05.724\n他不會有樣本你沒有樣本你怎麼抽驗跟委員報告海關就是在查驗這個入境旅客行李不管是這個在機場或者是這個郵輪的旅客的行李以及這個郵包\n\n04:23.760 --> 04:42.551\n或者是快遞貨物包括空運快遞海運快遞我們只要是查獲是裡頭有豬肉或者是豬肉製品的話我們立即就是通知房檢署我們通知他是由他們來處理那房檢署來他們會把這個按貨那他們就會是拿回去處理會去做這個檢驗那我從這個數字來看那有可能這幾件\n\n04:47.714 --> 05:09.543\n你這快遞輸入的東西就這幾件被塞到有這個嗎這個部分我還是要再釐清你現在是用這個說法我也讓你有充分時間來說明但是事實上我還是有質疑的就是說旅客吸入的也許你們是比較能夠去處理不管是他丟棄或是說你查獲然後但是快遞的部分這個是非常量非常龐大\n\n05:11.623 --> 05:26.809\n公務員報告就是快遞的部分我們是書面通知防檢署來海關這邊來處理讓他們來處理的話就會把這個我們查獲的這個都切片嗎那回去的話是防檢署他們會去做相關的檢驗這就是防檢署後續他的處理\n\n05:30.711 --> 05:59.225\n好這個我要再確認我暫時就是說你就這樣說法那個黑色框框下一張這是我從臉書公開的這個團購社團的截圖他標榜第一手是大陸源頭的發貨裡面賣好多豬絞精什麼魚香肉絲飯內含小酥肉的自煮火鍋其實任何人你在網路上輸入這幾個字大陸中國零食馬上就有這種購買連結什麼蝦皮臉書這個團購社團line社群但是這些不都是在這個邊境\n\n06:00.345 --> 06:26.184\n一查到就要被查棄的嗎為什麼在網路上可以賣而且很自豪說你看左邊那個黑框的那個我發貨就是說發貨速度低代表說供貨速度很穩定而且他支持各式各樣的物流那我覺得國人入境大家都會互相提醒我們不要帶這個肉製品大家都很努力怎麼這麼久了我們發現這個政府的責任好像是有問題公開的團購社團這麼猖獗\n\n06:29.286 --> 06:46.785\n到現在今天還在營運喔那我繼續讓大家看紅色框框紅色框框紅色框框是在你在網路上隨便打這個集運特貨等一下這兩個字詞我再想請教你們理不理解馬上就會出現蝦皮或是小紅書的這個廣告業者的截圖\n\n06:49.465 --> 07:06.113\n他甚至會告訴你急運業者標榜說我可以運送特殊敏感貨物那在小紅書上面甚至說直接說我可以承接雞爪還有豬腳筋等等的訂貨那我先請教副署長您知道什麼叫做急運什麼叫特貨嗎\n\n07:07.475 --> 07:23.709\n您知道嗎我跟我跟委員報告其實我們現在每天都有上網去做搜尋那只要看到這些違規的廣告全部都會到我們合作就是有電商\n\n07:24.389 --> 07:38.744\n平台合作的請他下架那假設就讓他們有幾個的措施現在大概有屏蔽措施屏蔽措施就是會讓你看不到那假設有漏網之魚看得到那麼他們也會做即時處理那第二個\n\n07:41.246 --> 07:55.182\n他們也會自主管理也就是說AI的部分假設是台灣來自台灣的AI下訂的時候你也買不到你也買不到那即使你訂了你刷的是台灣的信用卡\n\n07:57.263 --> 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in就進去啦！"],["杜署長麗華：第二個，他們也會自主管理，也就是說……"],["陳委員昭姿：不好意思，時間很有限，等一下我要跟主席多要一點時間。"],["杜署長麗華：我再講，AI的部分，假設是來自臺灣的AI，下訂之後你也買不到，即使你訂了，你刷的是臺灣的信用卡，他們也不會出貨。"],["陳委員昭姿：但是他公然在網路上……你跟我說買不到，但是長久以來好像很穩定供貨！","我想再請問一件事，回到今天的主題，夾帶豬肉產品有多少來自這種集運包裹？你知道集運嘛？各地買，然後集中在一起，再合併包裹，這樣可以減少運費。有多少來自這種集運包裹？還是你沒有辦法搞清楚？"],["杜署長麗華：應該這樣講，所有的包裹是海關這邊，他們過關以後，經過X光檢查，如果有疑慮，他們就會第一時間通知我們，我們就過去判定，開箱之後假設有豬肉產品，我們一定會抽驗，然後集合在一起銷毀。"],["陳委員昭姿：這種特殊集運，不是只有中國運到臺灣，越南也有，這次爆發非洲豬瘟，好像有報導說是越南的病毒株，所以這次有很大可能是來自越南的豬肉產品含有病毒造成的，但我要講的是，對於這麼明目張膽宣傳敏感貨物、特殊貨物，請問關務署有掌握這些業者嗎？要怎麼防堵？"],["蘇副署長淑貞：跟委員報告，因為這是電商平臺，相關業者不是海關轄管的。"],["陳委員昭姿：不是海關，那是誰呢？"],["蘇副署長淑貞：但是我們要加強查核，所以我們現在要求以後快遞貨物、網購貨物報關的時候，必須申報電商平臺和集運商的相關資訊，讓我們去做整個風險的管控。"],["陳委員昭姿：這是跨部門的，今天才會請這麼多單位來。","剛剛有稍微提到，你們X光機夠不夠？檢疫犬的數量夠嗎？集運包裹有全部破包嗎？集運包裹現在很多耶！"],["蘇副署長淑貞：快遞貨物全部百分之百過X光，所以我們在影像判讀上面看到有異常就會拉下來……"],["陳委員昭姿：所以我馬上就問你，X光機夠嗎？那個數字還是很有問題啦！謝謝你。","接下來我要請問一下食藥署姜署長，你們的預算裡面有一個科目叫做「食品邊境查驗及國內外稽查管理」，請問這個費用有用在查驗夾帶豬肉包裹是否含非洲豬瘟病毒嗎？"],["姜署長至剛：我們所有費用都用在邊境查驗，食品裡面對非洲豬瘟……因為非洲豬瘟對人體是沒有危害的，所以我們在食品部分目前並沒有特別去驗；我們有這個能力，但是目前沒有驗。"],["陳委員昭姿：在業務處理上，你們目前是依照食安法去執行進口食品、藥品是否有違法添加，當前最重要的就是有沒有含瘦肉精等等，當海關發現有夾帶豬肉包裹，涉及動植物防疫檢疫，他會通知的是防檢署，而不是通知你們，因為是由他們來進行病毒核酸檢驗，我這個說法對嗎？食藥署並沒有負責非洲豬瘟的檢驗，有沒有？"],["姜署長至剛：我們目前沒有做非洲豬瘟，但是我們準備有這樣子的量能來做核酸檢驗。"],["陳委員昭姿：好，你們有這個能力，但是目前這個業務不是你們負責嘛！"],["姜署長至剛：是。"],["陳委員昭姿：我要談的是一個假訊息，卓冠廷、民進黨側翼、三立等等，他們就在造謠，說食藥署的邊境管制預算不能刪，因為這和豬瘟有關，這次就是因為刪了這筆預算，豬瘟就爆發了。堂而皇之地這樣寫！這整個就是假訊息，在誤導啊！這個部分不是食藥署的工作嘛！測這個病毒不是你們在做的嘛！"],["姜署長至剛：測病毒不是，但是針對我們的進口食品，包括它的來源屬於非疫區和疫區的，我們會清楚地規定。"],["陳委員昭姿：人家就說你們食藥署要負責這個，可是你們沒錢去做，所以今天豬瘟爆發了！你要不要做個釐清呢？","麻煩署長再講一次，你們現在負責的東西是什麼？這筆預算是用在什麼地方？"],["姜署長至剛：有關邊境的預算，其實我們的人力去查察所有的商品，也包含不是從合法區域進口的任何商品，不管是食品裡面或者是違法的肉品進口、非疫區的肉品等等，都會是我們查察的目標，但是我們並沒有在查察的時候去檢驗，檢驗那一塊事實上是在跨部署裡面跟農業部進一步地協作。"],["陳委員昭姿：所以簡單來說，這一次豬瘟的事件跟食藥署應該是不掛勾的？因為你們沒有在檢驗啊！"],["姜署長至剛：委員這樣定義的話，我們會非常感謝。"],["陳委員昭姿：也沒有你們的責任嘛！是不是？是這樣嗎？","好，謝謝。"],["姜署長至剛：謝謝委員。"],["陳委員昭姿：謝謝署長，謝謝主席。"],["主席：謝謝陳委員。署長請回。","請陳菁徽委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":486,"meet_id":"委員會-11-4-26-7","speakers":["劉建國","盧縣一","陳昭姿","陳菁徽","邱鎮軍","王育敏","廖偉翔","林淑芬","黃秀芳","林月琴","王正旭","楊曜","葉元之","陳瑩","蘇清泉","范雲"],"page_start":373,"meetingDate":["2025-10-30"],"gazette_id":"1149002","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1149002_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請衛生福利部部長、農業部、財政部、交通部、經濟部、數位發展部、海洋委員會海巡署\n就「如何精進海外小型包裹夾帶肉品之查緝與防堵，持續強化阻絕疫情於國門，同時優化國內後\n續對於非洲豬瘟防疫」提出專題報告，並備質詢；二、繼續審查(一)行政院函請審議「職業安全\n衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(二)委員廖先翔等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十五條條文修\n正草案」案、(三)委員牛煦庭等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十九條條文修正草案」案、(四)\n委員李昆澤等26人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十九條及第四十九條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員\n魯明哲等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十條條文修正草案」案、(六)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「職\n業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(七)委員林淑芬等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十三條\n條文修正草案」案、(八)委員楊曜等22人擬具「職業安全衛生法第六條條文修正草案」案、(九)\n委員李昆澤等27 人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、( 十) 委員黃秀芳等21 人擬具\n「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十一)委員翁曉玲等23人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三\n十五條、第三十九條及第四十九條條文修正草案」案、(十二)委員范雲等18人擬具「職業安全衛\n生法部分條文修正草案」案、( 十三) 委員劉建國等17 人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草\n案」案、(十四)委員吳琪銘等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第六條條文修正草案」案、(十五)委員\n沈發惠等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十六)委員王育敏等19人擬具「職\n業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十七)委員王育敏等25人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文\n修正草案」案、(十八)委員郭國文等17人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十九)\n委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四條條文修正草案」案、(二十)委員郭昱晴等17人擬\n具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(二十一)委員羅廷瑋等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法\n部分條文修正草案」案；三、審查(一)委員王正旭等23人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草\n案」案、(二)委員吳沛憶等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(三)委員莊瑞雄\n等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法第九條條文修正草案」案、(四)委員林月琴等21人擬具「職業安全\n衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、 ( 五) 委員林淑芬等21 人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草\n案」案、(六)委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(七)委員徐富癸\n等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(八)委員黃捷等16人擬具「職業安全衛生\n法部分條文修正草案」案、( 九) 委員蔡易餘等17 人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」\n案、(十)委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案","agenda_id":"1149002_00002"}}}