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00:01:50,090\n很確定因為隨時在動態調整最少有七成所以如果說你要比較經驗不不不在這裡就要老實回答因為這是公共領域啊而且這個老闆很關心我們的歐盟存底啊你到底放了哪些這個不是什麼機密啊過去都講過啊我們的美元計價的八成然後日元計價多少歐盟計價多少這個都有啊這是公開的資料\n\n7\n00:02:11,134 --> 00:02:28,086\n正如委員剛才講現在國際金融市場動盪很大我們隨時在調整所以我現在真的也不知道沒有回答我啊我回去問一下我們外匯局我要現在回答啦是不是美元計價有沒有八成啦這只是我們總裁回答你的數字嗎總裁講的是八成我現在要你回答數字啊不是我真的因為\n\n8\n00:02:35,171 --> 00:02:54,082\n因為我本身並沒有夜館到這個部分所以我沒辦法對是對不起所以差不多八成了喔不是喔我不知道我不知道謝謝謝謝芝佳你不能一問三不知喔不可以啊那你今天來幹什麼你要回答要saysomething\n\n9\n00:02:54,542 --> 00:02:56,463\n不是我今天講的是講穩定幣這部分我沒想到您是要問外匯的外匯存當然要來就是外匯存底很重要好那你另外總是可以回答了嘛美國降息一碼12月未知台幣是不是會再升值12月降息怎樣\n\n10\n00:03:14,500 --> 00:03:32,839\n你們要看我的PowerPoint美國不是已經降息一碼嗎是剛宣布的啊那12月不知道啦有人預估說12月還要降息一碼啦那央行會不會跟著從美國降息台幣到生子啦\n\n11\n00:03:33,820 --> 00:03:36,802\n因為美國是一個大國你回答我的問題台北會不會生死啦我講我的邏輯啦不要講邏輯我要講答案像您講的跟各國之間的利差會改變所以台北極可能生死我們台灣也有自己的考量譬如說我們\n\n12\n00:03:56,992 --> 00:04:10,697\n有幾個央行政策的目標不是只有利差對比如說外匯市場影響還有我們的通貨膨脹經濟成長率等等不能這樣子啦你都不能來這裡就給我都說得是怎麼樣是上一次回答了讓央行總裁不滿你被罵是不是不是利率政策是理事會決定不是利率啦這是匯率啦問你匯率\n\n13\n00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:32,069\n匯率你可以看一下我的題目嗎不是匯率的話坦白說啦利差只是其中的一個因素現在的國際金融市場我問你了我問你了你怎麼說你講的這麼多我現在講讓我這麼多事你回答我台幣是不是可能再升值啦就這樣子啦回答我我這樣講如果我們的經濟前景很好外匯市場\n\n14\n00:04:49,543 --> 00:05:00,267\n這個部分怎麼反應因為外資會進來看好我們嘛所以外資若進來他對我們有信心你給我回答是不是會升值啦就外資的行為來講他資金進來是升可是他若不進來跟我們對你今天跟以前不一樣耶以前敢講話今天不敢講話已經奇怪不知道今天來幹什麼都是這樣子不可以這樣子\n\n15\n00:05:18,254 --> 00:05:31,531\n來我們兩位長官如果發行穩定幣是你們誰管金管會管還是央行管報告委員因為這是因為它定在我們的虛擬資產服務法裡面等一下等一下總裁先不要走\n\n16\n00:05:32,552 --> 00:05:48,357\n副總裁你先不要走還沒叫你走欸還沒叫你走因為您好像希望知道一些相關的信息我必須請我你不要讓我有時間來來來來彭主委來是剛剛跟委員說明就因為這本法裡面的來趕快要好有什麼你要case給他資料趕快給\n\n17\n00:05:50,302 --> 00:06:02,161\n因為這部法裡面第二條明定主管機關是金管會但是我們在穩定幣專章裡面有提到因為這會試射到貨幣跟外匯所以這部分我們是跟央行共管\n\n18\n00:06:03,290 --> 00:06:20,300\n那請問央行的支付總裁穩定幣是不是貨幣是不是貨幣穩定幣是支付的工具所以有支付功能這可以視為視為貨幣你總裁講的不一樣喔講不講不是貨幣喔不是總裁講貨幣不是貨幣喔你回去再叫我妹喔我不要害你喔\n\n19\n00:06:30,746 --> 00:06:47,161\n蛤穩定幣是代幣啦代幣啦你不是那個玩那個Pachinko啊對不對那個代幣穩定幣是其中之一對吧彭總裁對吧來那個彭彭書偉對吧報告報告委員他是一種私部門發行的數位貨幣蛤\n\n20\n00:06:48,602 --> 00:07:05,031\n私部門發行的數位貨幣私部門所以任何公司都可以發可是它要符合我們現在的虛擬資產管理法的這個問你是不是貨幣啦是不是貨幣它如果是以法幣1比1的掛鉤它就是屬於私人部門發行的數位貨幣\n\n21\n00:07:06,312 --> 00:07:18,492\n私人發行的數位貨幣可是更精準的應該它是代幣的對吧它應該是一種代幣化的技術所發行的代幣化的技術發行的穩定幣是什麼代幣對吧\n\n22\n00:07:19,781 --> 00:07:41,886\n我跟委員報告一下大幣其中之一就是如果說根據我們那個草案我們也參考MICA的規定就是它的制定的辦法我們先定義虛擬資產那我們在裡面定義是說它以跟價值連結的一種虛擬資產所以基本上穩定幣所以它是資產它是虛擬資產的一種在我們的法律裡面定義是一種\n\n23\n00:07:42,746 --> 00:08:09,735\n這個很重要喔這個因為對公子人員包括你啊大官啊都要申報財產喔如果有比特幣的話都要申報喔如果你這樣講的話過去是不用申報的喔因為央行不承認是貨幣喔央行不承認是資產喔所以今天央行的態度有改變喔來好央行的三位長官請離開喔因為我時間有限請教彭主委喔玉山青最近病了三傷受\n\n24\n00:08:11,233 --> 00:08:31,878\n這個事情啊到現在為止沒有發布重訊參與競爭的有一個中信金10月23號還發行發重訊為什麼玉山金可以這麼老大不發重訊而且沒有經過董事會通過有沒有經過董事會通過要不要查一下誰可以回答\n\n25\n00:08:33,378 --> 00:08:50,385\n這個事情外面很關心這個題目喔我知道這個有關這個上市櫃公司該不該發重訊那是在因為是上市櫃公司跟證交所之間訂有一個契約他有一個明定根據交易所的規定他有如列的51項該做重訊的請問你這是重訊\n\n26\n00:08:57,108 --> 00:09:24,667\n我先跟委員說明一下這個是交易所跟上市會公司之間的約定他們會上面爐列了這麼多由上市會公司進行判斷但交易所如果認為有必要的時候可以請他做說明我想剛剛委員有提到其中有一家公司因為他開了董事會他就發了重訊按照他那個標準規範重訊沒有搶到搶情搶到他就發布重訊結果玉山金搶到了他還沒有發布重訊這奇怪\n\n27\n00:09:26,963 --> 00:09:42,816\n這件事情跟委員報告就是這件事情到底什麼貓膩啊我們已經像這個是他跟交易所之間我們知道這個事情我們就已經責成交易所趕快去了解到交易所你們硬要舉證據舉的路人甲當然不會是路人甲你們路人甲你們的角色扮演\n\n28\n00:09:45,059 --> 00:10:06,294\n這個委員剛剛講到角色扮演正是這個因為在整個過程當中包括他們整個去做這個雙方協商的過程真正的話他們未來如果按照他們要做完董事會以後做成正式的決議才會送到今晚會來我們也要看到他正式的理解已經股票市場都反映了玉山金股票重挫三商的股票暴漲股市都反映了結塊門都沒報告\n\n29\n00:10:15,281 --> 00:10:36,831\n昨天我們在記者會也講清楚我們已經請交易所按照他們的規定去聊交易所也請他們三家公司這個算不算重訓這是是不是重訓是交易所跟他們之間的認定我們一起請交易所我們會請交易所查明以後對外說明這個也把政企局長張局長看扁了他沒事可以做\n\n30\n00:10:38,192 --> 00:10:55,709\n也不是因為這是本來就是一個在教育世界發中訓的過程我反而依據他的規定來做的小問題這很重要小問題來來來碩花部啊普發現金一萬塊說13歲以上不可以由父母帶領他的理由說已經可以理財自主\n\n31\n00:10:57,014 --> 00:11:25,956\n金管會同意嗎他可以理財自足嗎他不會被騙嗎有關普發現金這是由財政部來主政金管會負責是ATM的部分我想這部分比如說至於說未成年人的他的一些權利義務就回歸到民法的概念比如說他其實在未成年人如果他也可以按照我們現行符合民法規定他也可以去開戶我想這部分金管會呢大概是沒有啦這個我要強調了財政部也應該發信會搞現金了我很快把它結束\n\n32\n00:11:26,977 --> 00:11:38,949\n被詐欺的人口18歲到23歲最多每10萬人627人所以年紀越小越容易被詐欺結果現在樹花布等於侵入到你的地盤\n\n33\n00:11:40,694 --> 00:11:54,184\n明確的指出來13歲已經有金融自主的權利理財自主這個都是你們的管區欸這個銀行局你們要講話欸這個東西它都已經殺到你地盤結果你都點點其實沒什麼地盤的問題我們各自有分工啦我想財政部也做出了新聞稿說明我想我們在這部分我們就針對我們該比如說法律怎麼規定銀行怎麼做我們就怎麼做\n\n34\n00:12:10,014 --> 00:12:15,176\n沒有你贊成13歲以上就不要父母陪嗎我個人是強烈反對啦這個不是金管會能夠回答的問題啦我是一個金管會主委我不會去你要去回答啊因為你講說13歲13歲畢竟未成年才國一他能夠自己理財他容易受騙啦不是主要是根據民法上面對於未成年人有他的一些能力行為的規範啦好謝謝謝謝賴委員接下來我們請郭國文委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n329\t21250\t謝謝主席 一起各位先進有請這個金皇恩的彭主委 央行的朱副總裁我們請彭主委 朱副總裁兩位長官委員長兩位長官好 首先先請教一下朱副總裁我們看到在川普\n22993\t41963\t上任之後你會發現到他很care是美國的股票市場他很care的是加密貨幣這個可以講叫新風作亂也好啦或者是推波助瀾也好啦加密貨幣禮創新高黃金禮創新高我就請問央行\n43772\t51557\t你們的外匯存底的配置有沒有增加只有加密貨幣增加黃金有沒有央行的外匯資產一向是注重流動性安全性為原則我們沒有加密資產\n62023\t64506\t沒有買加密貨幣沒有買黃金黃金是以前早期買最近有沒有買最近沒有最近一兩個月因為已經在高檔我們都沒買啦所以如果委員有機會到文言再看一下盤點一下完全跟十年前那個看不出來啊\n81825\t87071\t一塊塊金塊怎麼看得到 都沒有看到所以我們的歪純底最多還是純有美債是不是應該是純有美顏計價的資產對 美顏計價的資產有八成以上這個我現在不是\n102828\t110090\t很確定 因為隨時在動態調整最少有七成所以如果說你要比較經驗不不不 在這裡就要老實回答因為這是公共領域啊而且這個老闆很關心我們的歐盟存底啊你到底放了哪些這個不是什麼機密啊過去都講過啊 我們的美元計價的八成然後日元計價多少 歐盟計價多少這個都有啊 這是公開的資料\n131134\t148086\t正如委員剛才講現在國際金融市場動盪很大我們隨時在調整所以我現在真的也不知道沒有回答我啊我回去問一下我們外匯局我要現在回答啦是不是美元計價有沒有八成啦這只是我們總裁回答你的數字嗎總裁講的是八成我現在要你回答數字啊不是我真的因為\n155171\t174082\t因為我本身並沒有夜館到這個部分所以我沒辦法 對是 對不起所以差不多八成了喔不是喔 我不知道 我不知道謝謝 謝謝芝佳你不能一問三不知喔 不可以啊那你今天來幹什麼你要回答 要say something\n174542\t176463\t不是 我今天講的是講穩定幣這部分我沒想到您是要問外匯的外匯存 當然要來就是外匯存底很重要好 那你另外總是可以回答了嘛美國降息一碼12月未知台幣是不是會再升值12月降息怎樣\n194500\t212839\t你們要看我的Power Point美國不是已經降息一碼嗎是 剛宣布的啊那12月不知道啦有人預估說12月還要降息一碼啦那央行會不會跟著從美國降息台幣到生子啦\n213820\t216802\t因為美國是一個大國你回答我的問題台北會不會生死啦我講我的邏輯啦不要講邏輯我要講答案像您講的跟各國之間的利差會改變所以台北極可能生死我們台灣也有自己的考量譬如說我們\n236992\t250697\t有幾個央行政策的目標不是只有利差對比如說外匯市場影響還有我們的通貨膨脹經濟成長率等等不能這樣子啦你都不能來這裡就給我都說得是怎麼樣是上一次回答了讓央行總裁不滿你被罵是不是不是利率政策是理事會決定不是利率啦這是匯率啦問你匯率\n261760\t272069\t匯率 你可以看一下我的題目嗎不是 匯率的話 坦白說啦利差只是其中的一個因素現在的國際金融市場 我問你了我問你了 你怎麼說你講的這麼多 我現在講讓我這麼多事 你回答我台幣是不是可能再升值啦就這樣子啦 回答我 我這樣講如果我們的經濟前景很好 外匯市場\n289543\t300267\t這個部分怎麼反應因為外資會進來看好我們嘛所以外資若進來他對我們有信心你給我回答是不是會升值啦就外資的行為來講他資金進來是升可是他若不進來跟我們對你今天跟以前不一樣耶以前敢講話今天不敢講話已經奇怪不知道今天來幹什麼都是這樣子不可以這樣子\n318254\t331531\t來 我們兩位長官如果發行穩定幣是你們誰管 金管會管還是央行管報告委員 因為這是因為它定在我們的虛擬資產服務法裡面等一下等一下 總裁先不要走\n332552\t348357\t副總裁 你先不要走 還沒叫你走欸還沒叫你走因為您好像希望知道一些相關的信息我必須請我你不要讓我有時間 來來來來 彭主委來是 剛剛跟委員說明就因為這本法裡面的來 趕快要好 有什麼你要case給他資料 趕快給\n350302\t362161\t因為這部法裡面第二條明定主管機關是金管會但是我們在穩定幣專章裡面有提到因為這會試射到貨幣跟外匯所以這部分我們是跟央行共管\n363290\t380300\t那請問央行的支付總裁穩定幣是不是貨幣是不是貨幣穩定幣是支付的工具所以有支付功能這可以視為視為貨幣你總裁講的不一樣喔 講不講不是貨幣喔不是總裁講貨幣不是貨幣喔你回去再叫我妹喔我不要害你喔\n390746\t407161\t蛤 穩定幣是代幣啦代幣啦 你不是那個玩那個Pachinko啊 對不對那個代幣 穩定幣是其中之一 對吧 彭總裁 對吧來 那個 彭 彭書偉 對吧報告 報告委員 他是一種私部門發行的數位貨幣蛤\n408602\t425031\t私部門發行的數位貨幣 私部門所以任何公司都可以發可是它要符合我們現在的虛擬資產管理法的這個 問你是不是貨幣啦是不是貨幣它如果是以法幣1比1的掛鉤它就是屬於私人部門發行的數位貨幣\n426312\t438492\t私人發行的數位貨幣可是更精準的應該它是代幣的對吧它應該是一種代幣化的技術所發行的代幣化的技術發行的穩定幣是什麼代幣對吧\n439781\t461886\t我跟委員報告一下大幣其中之一就是如果說根據我們那個草案我們也參考MICA的規定就是它的制定的辦法我們先定義虛擬資產那我們在裡面定義是說它以跟價值連結的一種虛擬資產所以基本上穩定幣所以它是資產它是虛擬資產的一種在我們的法律裡面定義是一種\n462746\t489735\t這個很重要喔這個因為對公子人員包括你啊大官啊都要申報財產喔如果有比特幣的話都要申報喔如果你這樣講的話過去是不用申報的喔因為 央行不承認是貨幣喔央行不承認是資產喔所以今天央行的態度有改變喔來 好央行的三位長官請離開喔因為我時間有限請教彭主委喔玉山青最近病了三傷受\n491233\t511878\t這個事情啊到現在為止沒有發布重訊參與競爭的有一個中信金10月23號還發行發重訊為什麼玉山金可以這麼老大不發重訊而且沒有經過董事會通過有沒有經過董事會通過要不要查一下誰可以回答\n513378\t530385\t這個事情外面很關心這個題目喔我知道這個有關這個上市櫃公司該不該發重訊那是在因為是上市櫃公司跟證交所之間訂有一個契約他有一個明定根據交易所的規定他有如列的51項該做重訊的請問你這是重訊\n537108\t564667\t我先跟委員說明一下這個是交易所跟上市會公司之間的約定他們會上面爐列了這麼多由上市會公司進行判斷但交易所如果認為有必要的時候可以請他做說明我想剛剛委員有提到其中有一家公司因為他開了董事會他就發了重訊按照他那個標準規範重訊沒有搶到 搶情搶到他就發布重訊結果玉山金搶到了他還沒有發布重訊這奇怪\n566963\t582816\t這件事情跟委員報告就是這件事情到底什麼貓膩啊我們已經像這個是他跟交易所之間我們知道這個事情我們就已經責成交易所趕快去了解到交易所你們硬要舉證據舉的路人甲當然不會是路人甲你們路人甲你們的角色扮演\n585059\t606294\t這個委員剛剛講到角色扮演正是這個因為在整個過程當中包括他們整個去做這個雙方協商的過程真正的話他們未來如果按照他們要做完董事會以後做成正式的決議才會送到今晚會來我們也要看到他正式的理解已經股票市場都反映了玉山金股票重挫三商的股票暴漲股市都反映了結塊門都沒報告\n615281\t636831\t昨天我們在記者會也講清楚我們已經請交易所按照他們的規定去聊交易所也請他們三家公司這個算不算重訓這是是不是重訓是交易所跟他們之間的認定我們一起請交易所我們會請交易所查明以後對外說明這個也把政企局長張局長看扁了他沒事可以做\n638192\t655709\t也不是 因為這是 本來就是一個在教育世界發中訓的過程我反而依據他的規定來做的小問題 這很重要 小問題來來來碩花部啊 普發現金一萬塊說13歲以上不可以由父母帶領他的理由說已經可以理財自主\n657014\t685956\t金管會同意嗎他可以理財自足嗎他不會被騙嗎有關普發現金這是由財政部來主政金管會負責是ATM的部分我想這部分比如說至於說未成年人的他的一些權利義務就回歸到民法的概念比如說他其實在未成年人如果他也可以按照我們現行符合民法規定他也可以去開戶我想這部分金管會呢大概是沒有啦這個我要強調了財政部也應該發信會搞現金了我很快把它結束\n686977\t698949\t被詐欺的人口18歲到23歲最多每10萬人627人所以年紀越小越容易被詐欺結果現在樹 花布等於侵入到你的地盤\n700694\t714184\t明確的指出來13歲已經有金融自主的權利理財自主這個都是你們的管區欸這個銀行局你們要講話欸這個東西它都已經殺到你地盤結果你都點點其實沒什麼地盤的問題我們各自有分工啦我想財政部也做出了新聞稿說明我想我們在這部分我們就針對我們該比如說法律怎麼規定銀行怎麼做我們就怎麼做\n730014\t735176\t沒有 你贊成13歲以上就不要父母陪嗎我個人是強烈反對啦這個不是金管會能夠回答的問題啦我是一個金管會主委 我不會去你要去回答啊 因為你講說13歲13歲畢竟未成年才國一他能夠自己理財 他容易受騙啦不是 主要是根據民法上面對於未成年人有他的一些能力行為的規範啦好 謝謝 謝謝賴委員接下來我們請郭國文委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 一起各位先進有請這個金皇恩的彭主委 央行的朱副總裁我們請彭主委 朱副總裁兩位長官委員長兩位長官好 首先先請教一下朱副總裁我們看到在川普\n上任之後你會發現到他很care是美國的股票市場他很care的是加密貨幣這個可以講叫新風作亂也好啦或者是推波助瀾也好啦加密貨幣禮創新高黃金禮創新高我就請問央行\n你們的外匯存底的配置有沒有增加只有加密貨幣增加黃金有沒有央行的外匯資產一向是注重流動性安全性為原則我們沒有加密資產\n沒有買加密貨幣沒有買黃金黃金是以前早期買最近有沒有買最近沒有最近一兩個月因為已經在高檔我們都沒買啦所以如果委員有機會到文言再看一下盤點一下完全跟十年前那個看不出來啊\n一塊塊金塊怎麼看得到 都沒有看到所以我們的歪純底最多還是純有美債是不是應該是純有美顏計價的資產對 美顏計價的資產有八成以上這個我現在不是\n很確定 因為隨時在動態調整最少有七成所以如果說你要比較經驗不不不 在這裡就要老實回答因為這是公共領域啊而且這個老闆很關心我們的歐盟存底啊你到底放了哪些這個不是什麼機密啊過去都講過啊 我們的美元計價的八成然後日元計價多少 歐盟計價多少這個都有啊 這是公開的資料\n正如委員剛才講現在國際金融市場動盪很大我們隨時在調整所以我現在真的也不知道沒有回答我啊我回去問一下我們外匯局我要現在回答啦是不是美元計價有沒有八成啦這只是我們總裁回答你的數字嗎總裁講的是八成我現在要你回答數字啊不是我真的因為\n因為我本身並沒有夜館到這個部分所以我沒辦法 對是 對不起所以差不多八成了喔不是喔 我不知道 我不知道謝謝 謝謝芝佳你不能一問三不知喔 不可以啊那你今天來幹什麼你要回答 要say something\n不是 我今天講的是講穩定幣這部分我沒想到您是要問外匯的外匯存 當然要來就是外匯存底很重要好 那你另外總是可以回答了嘛美國降息一碼12月未知台幣是不是會再升值12月降息怎樣\n你們要看我的Power Point美國不是已經降息一碼嗎是 剛宣布的啊那12月不知道啦有人預估說12月還要降息一碼啦那央行會不會跟著從美國降息台幣到生子啦\n因為美國是一個大國你回答我的問題台北會不會生死啦我講我的邏輯啦不要講邏輯我要講答案像您講的跟各國之間的利差會改變所以台北極可能生死我們台灣也有自己的考量譬如說我們\n有幾個央行政策的目標不是只有利差對比如說外匯市場影響還有我們的通貨膨脹經濟成長率等等不能這樣子啦你都不能來這裡就給我都說得是怎麼樣是上一次回答了讓央行總裁不滿你被罵是不是不是利率政策是理事會決定不是利率啦這是匯率啦問你匯率\n匯率 你可以看一下我的題目嗎不是 匯率的話 坦白說啦利差只是其中的一個因素現在的國際金融市場 我問你了我問你了 你怎麼說你講的這麼多 我現在講讓我這麼多事 你回答我台幣是不是可能再升值啦就這樣子啦 回答我 我這樣講如果我們的經濟前景很好 外匯市場\n這個部分怎麼反應因為外資會進來看好我們嘛所以外資若進來他對我們有信心你給我回答是不是會升值啦就外資的行為來講他資金進來是升可是他若不進來跟我們對你今天跟以前不一樣耶以前敢講話今天不敢講話已經奇怪不知道今天來幹什麼都是這樣子不可以這樣子\n來 我們兩位長官如果發行穩定幣是你們誰管 金管會管還是央行管報告委員 因為這是因為它定在我們的虛擬資產服務法裡面等一下等一下 總裁先不要走\n副總裁 你先不要走 還沒叫你走欸還沒叫你走因為您好像希望知道一些相關的信息我必須請我你不要讓我有時間 來來來來 彭主委來是 剛剛跟委員說明就因為這本法裡面的來 趕快要好 有什麼你要case給他資料 趕快給\n因為這部法裡面第二條明定主管機關是金管會但是我們在穩定幣專章裡面有提到因為這會試射到貨幣跟外匯所以這部分我們是跟央行共管\n那請問央行的支付總裁穩定幣是不是貨幣是不是貨幣穩定幣是支付的工具所以有支付功能這可以視為視為貨幣你總裁講的不一樣喔 講不講不是貨幣喔不是總裁講貨幣不是貨幣喔你回去再叫我妹喔我不要害你喔\n蛤 穩定幣是代幣啦代幣啦 你不是那個玩那個Pachinko啊 對不對那個代幣 穩定幣是其中之一 對吧 彭總裁 對吧來 那個 彭 彭書偉 對吧報告 報告委員 他是一種私部門發行的數位貨幣蛤\n私部門發行的數位貨幣 私部門所以任何公司都可以發可是它要符合我們現在的虛擬資產管理法的這個 問你是不是貨幣啦是不是貨幣它如果是以法幣1比1的掛鉤它就是屬於私人部門發行的數位貨幣\n私人發行的數位貨幣可是更精準的應該它是代幣的對吧它應該是一種代幣化的技術所發行的代幣化的技術發行的穩定幣是什麼代幣對吧\n我跟委員報告一下大幣其中之一就是如果說根據我們那個草案我們也參考MICA的規定就是它的制定的辦法我們先定義虛擬資產那我們在裡面定義是說它以跟價值連結的一種虛擬資產所以基本上穩定幣所以它是資產它是虛擬資產的一種在我們的法律裡面定義是一種\n這個很重要喔這個因為對公子人員包括你啊大官啊都要申報財產喔如果有比特幣的話都要申報喔如果你這樣講的話過去是不用申報的喔因為 央行不承認是貨幣喔央行不承認是資產喔所以今天央行的態度有改變喔來 好央行的三位長官請離開喔因為我時間有限請教彭主委喔玉山青最近病了三傷受\n這個事情啊到現在為止沒有發布重訊參與競爭的有一個中信金10月23號還發行發重訊為什麼玉山金可以這麼老大不發重訊而且沒有經過董事會通過有沒有經過董事會通過要不要查一下誰可以回答\n這個事情外面很關心這個題目喔我知道這個有關這個上市櫃公司該不該發重訊那是在因為是上市櫃公司跟證交所之間訂有一個契約他有一個明定根據交易所的規定他有如列的51項該做重訊的請問你這是重訊\n我先跟委員說明一下這個是交易所跟上市會公司之間的約定他們會上面爐列了這麼多由上市會公司進行判斷但交易所如果認為有必要的時候可以請他做說明我想剛剛委員有提到其中有一家公司因為他開了董事會他就發了重訊按照他那個標準規範重訊沒有搶到 搶情搶到他就發布重訊結果玉山金搶到了他還沒有發布重訊這奇怪\n這件事情跟委員報告就是這件事情到底什麼貓膩啊我們已經像這個是他跟交易所之間我們知道這個事情我們就已經責成交易所趕快去了解到交易所你們硬要舉證據舉的路人甲當然不會是路人甲你們路人甲你們的角色扮演\n這個委員剛剛講到角色扮演正是這個因為在整個過程當中包括他們整個去做這個雙方協商的過程真正的話他們未來如果按照他們要做完董事會以後做成正式的決議才會送到今晚會來我們也要看到他正式的理解已經股票市場都反映了玉山金股票重挫三商的股票暴漲股市都反映了結塊門都沒報告\n昨天我們在記者會也講清楚我們已經請交易所按照他們的規定去聊交易所也請他們三家公司這個算不算重訓這是是不是重訓是交易所跟他們之間的認定我們一起請交易所我們會請交易所查明以後對外說明這個也把政企局長張局長看扁了他沒事可以做\n也不是 因為這是 本來就是一個在教育世界發中訓的過程我反而依據他的規定來做的小問題 這很重要 小問題來來來碩花部啊 普發現金一萬塊說13歲以上不可以由父母帶領他的理由說已經可以理財自主\n金管會同意嗎他可以理財自足嗎他不會被騙嗎有關普發現金這是由財政部來主政金管會負責是ATM的部分我想這部分比如說至於說未成年人的他的一些權利義務就回歸到民法的概念比如說他其實在未成年人如果他也可以按照我們現行符合民法規定他也可以去開戶我想這部分金管會呢大概是沒有啦這個我要強調了財政部也應該發信會搞現金了我很快把它結束\n被詐欺的人口18歲到23歲最多每10萬人627人所以年紀越小越容易被詐欺結果現在樹 花布等於侵入到你的地盤\n明確的指出來13歲已經有金融自主的權利理財自主這個都是你們的管區欸這個銀行局你們要講話欸這個東西它都已經殺到你地盤結果你都點點其實沒什麼地盤的問題我們各自有分工啦我想財政部也做出了新聞稿說明我想我們在這部分我們就針對我們該比如說法律怎麼規定銀行怎麼做我們就怎麼做\n沒有 你贊成13歲以上就不要父母陪嗎我個人是強烈反對啦這個不是金管會能夠回答的問題啦我是一個金管會主委 我不會去你要去回答啊 因為你講說13歲13歲畢竟未成年才國一他能夠自己理財 他容易受騙啦不是 主要是根據民法上面對於未成年人有他的一些能力行為的規範啦好 謝謝 謝謝賴委員接下來我們請郭國文委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.329 --> 00:21.250\n謝謝主席一起各位先進有請這個金皇恩的彭主委央行的朱副總裁我們請彭主委朱副總裁兩位長官委員長兩位長官好首先先請教一下朱副總裁我們看到在川普\n\n00:22.993 --> 00:41.963\n上任之後你會發現到他很care是美國的股票市場他很care的是加密貨幣這個可以講叫新風作亂也好啦或者是推波助瀾也好啦加密貨幣禮創新高黃金禮創新高我就請問央行\n\n00:43.772 --> 00:51.557\n你們的外匯存底的配置有沒有增加只有加密貨幣增加黃金有沒有央行的外匯資產一向是注重流動性安全性為原則我們沒有加密資產\n\n01:02.023 --> 01:04.506\n沒有買加密貨幣沒有買黃金黃金是以前早期買最近有沒有買最近沒有最近一兩個月因為已經在高檔我們都沒買啦所以如果委員有機會到文言再看一下盤點一下完全跟十年前那個看不出來啊\n\n01:21.825 --> 01:27.071\n一塊塊金塊怎麼看得到都沒有看到所以我們的歪純底最多還是純有美債是不是應該是純有美顏計價的資產對美顏計價的資產有八成以上這個我現在不是\n\n01:42.828 --> 01:50.090\n很確定因為隨時在動態調整最少有七成所以如果說你要比較經驗不不不在這裡就要老實回答因為這是公共領域啊而且這個老闆很關心我們的歐盟存底啊你到底放了哪些這個不是什麼機密啊過去都講過啊我們的美元計價的八成然後日元計價多少歐盟計價多少這個都有啊這是公開的資料\n\n02:11.134 --> 02:28.086\n正如委員剛才講現在國際金融市場動盪很大我們隨時在調整所以我現在真的也不知道沒有回答我啊我回去問一下我們外匯局我要現在回答啦是不是美元計價有沒有八成啦這只是我們總裁回答你的數字嗎總裁講的是八成我現在要你回答數字啊不是我真的因為\n\n02:35.171 --> 02:54.082\n因為我本身並沒有夜館到這個部分所以我沒辦法對是對不起所以差不多八成了喔不是喔我不知道我不知道謝謝謝謝芝佳你不能一問三不知喔不可以啊那你今天來幹什麼你要回答要saysomething\n\n02:54.542 --> 02:56.463\n不是我今天講的是講穩定幣這部分我沒想到您是要問外匯的外匯存當然要來就是外匯存底很重要好那你另外總是可以回答了嘛美國降息一碼12月未知台幣是不是會再升值12月降息怎樣\n\n03:14.500 --> 03:32.839\n你們要看我的PowerPoint美國不是已經降息一碼嗎是剛宣布的啊那12月不知道啦有人預估說12月還要降息一碼啦那央行會不會跟著從美國降息台幣到生子啦\n\n03:33.820 --> 03:36.802\n因為美國是一個大國你回答我的問題台北會不會生死啦我講我的邏輯啦不要講邏輯我要講答案像您講的跟各國之間的利差會改變所以台北極可能生死我們台灣也有自己的考量譬如說我們\n\n03:56.992 --> 04:10.697\n有幾個央行政策的目標不是只有利差對比如說外匯市場影響還有我們的通貨膨脹經濟成長率等等不能這樣子啦你都不能來這裡就給我都說得是怎麼樣是上一次回答了讓央行總裁不滿你被罵是不是不是利率政策是理事會決定不是利率啦這是匯率啦問你匯率\n\n04:21.760 --> 04:32.069\n匯率你可以看一下我的題目嗎不是匯率的話坦白說啦利差只是其中的一個因素現在的國際金融市場我問你了我問你了你怎麼說你講的這麼多我現在講讓我這麼多事你回答我台幣是不是可能再升值啦就這樣子啦回答我我這樣講如果我們的經濟前景很好外匯市場\n\n04:49.543 --> 05:00.267\n這個部分怎麼反應因為外資會進來看好我們嘛所以外資若進來他對我們有信心你給我回答是不是會升值啦就外資的行為來講他資金進來是升可是他若不進來跟我們對你今天跟以前不一樣耶以前敢講話今天不敢講話已經奇怪不知道今天來幹什麼都是這樣子不可以這樣子\n\n05:18.254 --> 05:31.531\n來我們兩位長官如果發行穩定幣是你們誰管金管會管還是央行管報告委員因為這是因為它定在我們的虛擬資產服務法裡面等一下等一下總裁先不要走\n\n05:32.552 --> 05:48.357\n副總裁你先不要走還沒叫你走欸還沒叫你走因為您好像希望知道一些相關的信息我必須請我你不要讓我有時間來來來來彭主委來是剛剛跟委員說明就因為這本法裡面的來趕快要好有什麼你要case給他資料趕快給\n\n05:50.302 --> 06:02.161\n因為這部法裡面第二條明定主管機關是金管會但是我們在穩定幣專章裡面有提到因為這會試射到貨幣跟外匯所以這部分我們是跟央行共管\n\n06:03.290 --> 06:20.300\n那請問央行的支付總裁穩定幣是不是貨幣是不是貨幣穩定幣是支付的工具所以有支付功能這可以視為視為貨幣你總裁講的不一樣喔講不講不是貨幣喔不是總裁講貨幣不是貨幣喔你回去再叫我妹喔我不要害你喔\n\n06:30.746 --> 06:47.161\n蛤穩定幣是代幣啦代幣啦你不是那個玩那個Pachinko啊對不對那個代幣穩定幣是其中之一對吧彭總裁對吧來那個彭彭書偉對吧報告報告委員他是一種私部門發行的數位貨幣蛤\n\n06:48.602 --> 07:05.031\n私部門發行的數位貨幣私部門所以任何公司都可以發可是它要符合我們現在的虛擬資產管理法的這個問你是不是貨幣啦是不是貨幣它如果是以法幣1比1的掛鉤它就是屬於私人部門發行的數位貨幣\n\n07:06.312 --> 07:18.492\n私人發行的數位貨幣可是更精準的應該它是代幣的對吧它應該是一種代幣化的技術所發行的代幣化的技術發行的穩定幣是什麼代幣對吧\n\n07:19.781 --> 07:41.886\n我跟委員報告一下大幣其中之一就是如果說根據我們那個草案我們也參考MICA的規定就是它的制定的辦法我們先定義虛擬資產那我們在裡面定義是說它以跟價值連結的一種虛擬資產所以基本上穩定幣所以它是資產它是虛擬資產的一種在我們的法律裡面定義是一種\n\n07:42.746 --> 08:09.735\n這個很重要喔這個因為對公子人員包括你啊大官啊都要申報財產喔如果有比特幣的話都要申報喔如果你這樣講的話過去是不用申報的喔因為央行不承認是貨幣喔央行不承認是資產喔所以今天央行的態度有改變喔來好央行的三位長官請離開喔因為我時間有限請教彭主委喔玉山青最近病了三傷受\n\n08:11.233 --> 08:31.878\n這個事情啊到現在為止沒有發布重訊參與競爭的有一個中信金10月23號還發行發重訊為什麼玉山金可以這麼老大不發重訊而且沒有經過董事會通過有沒有經過董事會通過要不要查一下誰可以回答\n\n08:33.378 --> 08:50.385\n這個事情外面很關心這個題目喔我知道這個有關這個上市櫃公司該不該發重訊那是在因為是上市櫃公司跟證交所之間訂有一個契約他有一個明定根據交易所的規定他有如列的51項該做重訊的請問你這是重訊\n\n08:57.108 --> 09:24.667\n我先跟委員說明一下這個是交易所跟上市會公司之間的約定他們會上面爐列了這麼多由上市會公司進行判斷但交易所如果認為有必要的時候可以請他做說明我想剛剛委員有提到其中有一家公司因為他開了董事會他就發了重訊按照他那個標準規範重訊沒有搶到搶情搶到他就發布重訊結果玉山金搶到了他還沒有發布重訊這奇怪\n\n09:26.963 --> 09:42.816\n這件事情跟委員報告就是這件事情到底什麼貓膩啊我們已經像這個是他跟交易所之間我們知道這個事情我們就已經責成交易所趕快去了解到交易所你們硬要舉證據舉的路人甲當然不會是路人甲你們路人甲你們的角色扮演\n\n09:45.059 --> 10:06.294\n這個委員剛剛講到角色扮演正是這個因為在整個過程當中包括他們整個去做這個雙方協商的過程真正的話他們未來如果按照他們要做完董事會以後做成正式的決議才會送到今晚會來我們也要看到他正式的理解已經股票市場都反映了玉山金股票重挫三商的股票暴漲股市都反映了結塊門都沒報告\n\n10:15.281 --> 10:36.831\n昨天我們在記者會也講清楚我們已經請交易所按照他們的規定去聊交易所也請他們三家公司這個算不算重訓這是是不是重訓是交易所跟他們之間的認定我們一起請交易所我們會請交易所查明以後對外說明這個也把政企局長張局長看扁了他沒事可以做\n\n10:38.192 --> 10:55.709\n也不是因為這是本來就是一個在教育世界發中訓的過程我反而依據他的規定來做的小問題這很重要小問題來來來碩花部啊普發現金一萬塊說13歲以上不可以由父母帶領他的理由說已經可以理財自主\n\n10:57.014 --> 11:25.956\n金管會同意嗎他可以理財自足嗎他不會被騙嗎有關普發現金這是由財政部來主政金管會負責是ATM的部分我想這部分比如說至於說未成年人的他的一些權利義務就回歸到民法的概念比如說他其實在未成年人如果他也可以按照我們現行符合民法規定他也可以去開戶我想這部分金管會呢大概是沒有啦這個我要強調了財政部也應該發信會搞現金了我很快把它結束\n\n11:26.977 --> 11:38.949\n被詐欺的人口18歲到23歲最多每10萬人627人所以年紀越小越容易被詐欺結果現在樹花布等於侵入到你的地盤\n\n11:40.694 --> 11:54.184\n明確的指出來13歲已經有金融自主的權利理財自主這個都是你們的管區欸這個銀行局你們要講話欸這個東西它都已經殺到你地盤結果你都點點其實沒什麼地盤的問題我們各自有分工啦我想財政部也做出了新聞稿說明我想我們在這部分我們就針對我們該比如說法律怎麼規定銀行怎麼做我們就怎麼做\n\n12:10.014 --> 12:15.176\n沒有你贊成13歲以上就不要父母陪嗎我個人是強烈反對啦這個不是金管會能夠回答的問題啦我是一個金管會主委我不會去你要去回答啊因為你講說13歲13歲畢竟未成年才國一他能夠自己理財他容易受騙啦不是主要是根據民法上面對於未成年人有他的一些能力行為的規範啦好謝謝謝謝賴委員接下來我們請郭國文委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.329,"end":21.25,"text":"謝謝主席 一起各位先進有請這個金皇恩的彭主委 央行的朱副總裁我們請彭主委 朱副總裁兩位長官委員長兩位長官好 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本來就是一個在教育世界發中訓的過程我反而依據他的規定來做的小問題 這很重要 小問題來來來碩花部啊 普發現金一萬塊說13歲以上不可以由父母帶領他的理由說已經可以理財自主"},{"start":657.014,"end":685.956,"text":"金管會同意嗎他可以理財自足嗎他不會被騙嗎有關普發現金這是由財政部來主政金管會負責是ATM的部分我想這部分比如說至於說未成年人的他的一些權利義務就回歸到民法的概念比如說他其實在未成年人如果他也可以按照我們現行符合民法規定他也可以去開戶我想這部分金管會呢大概是沒有啦這個我要強調了財政部也應該發信會搞現金了我很快把它結束"},{"start":686.977,"end":698.949,"text":"被詐欺的人口18歲到23歲最多每10萬人627人所以年紀越小越容易被詐欺結果現在樹 花布等於侵入到你的地盤"},{"start":700.694,"end":714.184,"text":"明確的指出來13歲已經有金融自主的權利理財自主這個都是你們的管區欸這個銀行局你們要講話欸這個東西它都已經殺到你地盤結果你都點點其實沒什麼地盤的問題我們各自有分工啦我想財政部也做出了新聞稿說明我想我們在這部分我們就針對我們該比如說法律怎麼規定銀行怎麼做我們就怎麼做"},{"start":730.014,"end":735.176,"text":"沒有 你贊成13歲以上就不要父母陪嗎我個人是強烈反對啦這個不是金管會能夠回答的問題啦我是一個金管會主委 我不會去你要去回答啊 因為你講說13歲13歲畢竟未成年才國一他能夠自己理財 他容易受騙啦不是 主要是根據民法上面對於未成年人有他的一些能力行為的規範啦好 謝謝 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