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00:00:36,756\n委員好部長好部長今年這個舉行的這個APEC能源部長會議聯合聲明的時候他已經明確的把海底電纜納入那個能源韌性的版圖裡面那當時的各個經濟體他有特別強盜為了要加強電力系統的彈性韌性跟穩定性那現代化的電網基礎設施包含儲能系統微電網還有海底電纜\n\n3\n00:00:37,737 --> 00:01:05,255\n那你也在週二的台歐海底電纜安全合作論壇上面你有宣布啟動國際海底電纜風險管理倡議那我要強調的是從水下的設施到通訊到電力到油電管輸線它是三大命脈第一個是我們的資料第二個是我們的電力然後第三個就是我們資本運期的三大動脈只要任何一處受損就有可能會發引發是跨境型的斷線斷電也有可能會斷電\n\n4\n00:01:06,616 --> 00:01:27,796\n所以這次APEC的能源認証路線跟我國提出的這個倡議其實是前後呼應彼此加成那前者是設定了區域層級的政策方向跟合作框架那後面我們是有實作面的風險的緩解那情勢共享制度改革等等所以我必須要特別這個對外交部\n\n5\n00:01:28,436 --> 00:01:53,083\n推動科技安全外交就是你是有實質內容的外交我是感到是非常的滿意我希望可以做更多這一次我們在訪問日本的時候基本上我們也都有特別提到這些相關的安全議題海底電纜的安全議題我也感受到我們駐日辦事處的同仁他們是用系統面就是說這些專業的外交官不是不僅僅是以個人因為個人是不可以大於系統的\n\n6\n00:01:53,743 --> 00:02:20,557\n所以包含這些專業的官僚跟專業的外交官基本上他們的這種網絡都非常的綿密那特別在這些相關的議題上面也有很好的掌握這一點我還是必須要特別的來表示這個相關的謝意那我今天想要請教的是在我們沒有辦法主辦類似像其實也不只是APEC那其實很多的重要的國際論壇那我們是要用什麼樣的方式把重要的議題\n\n7\n00:02:22,197 --> 00:02:49,304\n讓他們能夠在會議當中來去被引入進去部長可不可以簡單講一下報告委員除了雙邊的交流合作我們在國際特別是多邊的機制上面比如我們有GCTF今年是第十年目前有五個完整的會員國就是全球合作訓練倡議這個是很好的平台現在已經在全球\n\n8\n00:02:50,064 --> 00:03:14,895\n台灣美國那日本澳大利亞以外還去年加了加拿大那歐洲現在也有很多所謂的Franchise就是衍生的這個參與國家那剛剛講就是我們在倡議這個所謂的國際海難的風險管理這個議題就是類似因為台灣是本身也是受害者那我們又位居在印太第一島鏈其實最重要的通訊電\n\n9\n00:03:17,396 --> 00:03:29,365\n力傳輸啊都是很多是透過電纜所以這個都不是我們單獨的面對的挑戰而是區域性甚至全球性的一體特別是歐洲自從這個破落地海這個這邊從這幾年發生的被所謂暗傳破壞啦或所謂的這個\n\n10\n00:03:37,591 --> 00:03:46,880\n這種灰色地帶的侵擾越來越多所以跟我們可以說是同樣面對這樣的威脅那這些國家集合起來特別是透過國會議員尤其是歐洲議員他們也可以一起在他們的國家來做推動所以這個是我們找到的議題另外就是像災害的防救\n\n11\n00:04:00,543 --> 00:04:06,667\n我們在這方面包括我們的消防署所衍生的我們全社會防禦任性每個國家現在都遇到類似的問題特別是在我們這個第一島鏈那我們也用這樣的議題做平台去結合那很多國家也通過了一些倡議包括國會的決議所以我們這次提出所謂的四大這個目標風險降低資訊共享制度改革和知識建構\n\n12\n00:04:30,863 --> 00:04:42,430\n歐洲議會他們就是歐盟的執委會也有通過一個有關於海嵐的倡議那我們跟他對接然後一起來做跨區的合作跟推動\n\n13\n00:04:44,497 --> 00:05:01,949\n日本也是一個重點我們接下來談到日本剛好我們訪日的時候是川普總統他訪日本那也跟高市總理那有簽署協議來去反制中國系統的這個武器化跟他的這些特殊管制\n\n14\n00:05:02,629 --> 00:05:23,012\n那他們為了要打造相關的供應鏈民主供應鏈他們是聯手去補這個缺口鎖定的是磁鐵電池還有催化劇跟光學材料等衍生性的產品他是希望說打算動員政府與私部門的這個支持透過政策貿易來協同合作那這次訪日我們可以感受到整個日本的\n\n15\n00:05:23,833 --> 00:05:42,229\n对台湾的友善那特别是过去是以这个民主的价值但是现在不是只以民主的价值就如同我们刚才一直强调的他是以实质导向以经济导向贸易导向科技导向那也符合部长你讲的这个全方位对这种外交实质的外交\n\n16\n00:05:43,030 --> 00:06:02,722\n所以說我們必須要好好的利用這一個機會跟日本來確保說我們的供應鏈上面特別是在稀土遇到它可能的武器化的話我們是有機會來去參與它這樣子的合作架構剛才部長有提到的幾個合作框架下我是希望說我們能夠主動\n\n17\n00:06:03,940 --> 00:06:23,414\n主動主動跟日方來討論那既然有這個美日的框架那台灣的角色可以是什麼部長可不可以簡單來回應一下是陳委員所講因為台日其實臨接的國家那不只是在剛講通訊還有這個防災齁其實在能源上也是密切相關\n\n18\n00:06:24,495 --> 00:06:41,261\n所以我們像我們投資或採購在阿拉斯加的這個天然氣其實它不只是一個經濟議題它也是一個安全議題那我們台日之間很多這方面的合作的項目\n\n19\n00:06:42,081 --> 00:07:08,756\n透過不管是我們雙邊之間或多邊的來進行現在高市草苗首相他在先前就已經在自民黨內有很多的倡議現在他當首相當然我們也希望台日之間這個可以變成政府之間一起來推動包括去年石破茂首相到這個秘魯的APEC的時候跟我們領袖代表林信義這個執政也登對所謂的\n\n20\n00:07:12,033 --> 00:07:40,035\n災害的一個處理希望台日來合作我覺得這個確實是對雙方面都是有關那是互惠的這些議題我們找出來讓我們的總和外交不只是談這個理念相近的這些價值還是夠談到具體的安全還有經濟上面的這一些合作甚至是我們講全社會防禦任性的這個空間是非常的大\n\n21\n00:07:41,365 --> 00:07:59,510\n尤其是我們的無人機航太半導體產業它是高度依賴這些稀土的所以我想最近有南非的事件我們也可以理解到南非它自己也有類似半威脅的說法它是說它強調自己是重要稀有金屬的供應國\n\n22\n00:08:00,430 --> 00:08:15,499\n所以說他有意升級為高科技製造鏈的關鍵節點所以說我們雖然我們也是重要的這個關鍵國家之一但是提供這些物資資源的這些自然資源的這些國家有沒有可能\n\n23\n00:08:16,415 --> 00:08:33,028\n會跟中國來做一個協調那導致我們在供應鏈的地緣政治有風險這個部分我就簡單跟部長希望說跟經濟部一定要有一個跨部會的協調來去了解一下他們的政策動向我跟委員馬上補充一下在就是稀土議題\n\n24\n00:08:34,529 --> 00:08:49,650\n因為這涉及到所謂的供應的安全尤其是我們要打造非紅的民主供應鏈是一個信賴的供應鏈裡面在稀土上面我們也有我本身也有發言那就是除了\n\n25\n00:08:51,592 --> 00:09:13,581\n呼應這個川普政府的倡議這個進行稀土供應鏈的合作之外我們也在積極的參與希望台灣也能夠我想這個是助人也助己對我們在半導體供應鏈上面這個稀土的供給能夠有安全的供應鏈我們請副主委副主委謝謝謝謝部長那麻煩副主委\n\n26\n00:09:25,506 --> 00:09:25,526\n委員長\n\n27\n00:09:27,552 --> 00:09:56,191\n針對中共的長臂管轄跟他的跨境鎮壓我簡單的要特別提醒一下這不僅僅是對我國的國會議員的這種侮辱但是我們還要注意一件事情就是說之前在白俄羅斯有逼客機迫降來去逮捕異議記者的事情我不知道你還有沒有印象原則上就是白俄羅斯他是在派他的這個他的空軍升空他迫使這個瑞恩航空的客機轉降到白俄首都\n\n28\n00:09:56,951 --> 00:10:19,566\n也就是說這樣子的可能性是有的所以說你必須要有一個風險的評估我們哪一些被點名的國會議員或者是重要的官員當他們出國的時候這個風險是有的那有沒有經過這些不友好國家甚至是有敵意國家的領空是不是會有類似這樣的狀況出現我是提醒因為已經發生過了好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1276\t4807\t你好,我們請外交部部長來,林部長請\n11553\t36756\t委員好部長好部長今年這個舉行的這個APEC能源部長會議聯合聲明的時候他已經明確的把海底電纜納入那個能源韌性的版圖裡面那當時的各個經濟體他有特別強盜為了要加強電力系統的彈性韌性跟穩定性那現代化的電網基礎設施包含儲能系統微電網還有海底電纜\n37737\t65255\t那你也在週二的台歐海底電纜安全合作論壇上面你有宣布啟動國際海底電纜風險管理倡議那我要強調的是從水下的設施到通訊到電力到油電管輸線它是三大命脈第一個是我們的資料第二個是我們的電力然後第三個就是我們資本運期的三大動脈只要任何一處受損就有可能會發引發是跨境型的斷線斷電也有可能會斷電\n66616\t87796\t所以這次APEC的能源認証路線跟我國提出的這個倡議其實是前後呼應彼此加成那前者是設定了區域層級的政策方向跟合作框架那後面我們是有實作面的風險的緩解那情勢共享制度改革等等所以我必須要特別這個對外交部\n88436\t113083\t推動科技安全外交就是你是有實質內容的外交我是感到是非常的滿意我希望可以做更多這一次我們在訪問日本的時候基本上我們也都有特別提到這些相關的安全議題海底電纜的安全議題我也感受到我們駐日辦事處的同仁他們是用系統面就是說這些專業的外交官不是不僅僅是以個人因為個人是不可以大於系統的\n113743\t140557\t所以包含這些專業的官僚跟專業的外交官基本上他們的這種網絡都非常的綿密那特別在這些相關的議題上面也有很好的掌握這一點我還是必須要特別的來表示這個相關的謝意那我今天想要請教的是在我們沒有辦法主辦類似像其實也不只是APEC那其實很多的重要的國際論壇那我們是要用什麼樣的方式把重要的議題\n142197\t169304\t讓他們能夠在會議當中來去被引入進去部長可不可以簡單講一下報告委員 除了雙邊的交流合作我們在國際特別是多邊的機制上面比如我們有GCTF今年是第十年目前有五個完整的會員國就是全球合作訓練倡議這個是很好的平台 現在已經在全球\n170064\t194895\t台灣美國那日本澳大利亞以外還去年加了加拿大那歐洲現在也有很多所謂的Franchise就是衍生的這個參與國家那剛剛講就是我們在倡議這個所謂的國際海難的風險管理這個議題就是類似因為台灣是本身也是受害者那我們又位居在印太第一島鏈其實最重要的通訊電\n197396\t209365\t力傳輸啊都是很多是透過電纜所以這個都不是我們單獨的面對的挑戰而是區域性甚至全球性的一體特別是歐洲自從這個破落地海這個這邊從這幾年發生的被所謂暗傳破壞啦或所謂的這個\n217591\t226880\t這種灰色地帶的侵擾越來越多所以跟我們可以說是同樣面對這樣的威脅那這些國家集合起來特別是透過國會議員尤其是歐洲議員他們也可以一起在他們的國家來做推動所以這個是我們找到的議題另外就是像災害的防救\n240543\t246667\t我們在這方面包括我們的消防署所衍生的我們全社會防禦任性每個國家現在都遇到類似的問題特別是在我們這個第一島鏈那我們也用這樣的議題做平台去結合 那很多國家也通過了一些倡議 包括國會的決議所以我們這次提出所謂的四大這個目標風險降低 資訊共享 制度改革和知識建構\n270863\t282430\t歐洲議會他們就是歐盟的執委會也有通過一個有關於海嵐的倡議那我們跟他對接然後一起來做跨區的合作跟推動\n284497\t301949\t日本也是一個重點我們接下來談到日本剛好我們訪日的時候是川普總統他訪日本那也跟高市總理那有簽署協議來去反制中國系統的這個武器化跟他的這些特殊管制\n302629\t323012\t那他們為了要打造相關的供應鏈民主供應鏈他們是聯手去補這個缺口鎖定的是磁鐵電池還有催化劇跟光學材料等衍生性的產品他是希望說打算動員政府與私部門的這個支持透過政策貿易來協同合作那這次訪日我們可以感受到整個日本的\n323833\t342229\t对台湾的友善那特别是过去是以这个民主的价值但是现在不是只以民主的价值就如同我们刚才一直强调的他是以实质导向以经济导向贸易导向科技导向那也符合部长你讲的这个全方位对这种外交实质的外交\n343030\t362722\t所以說我們必須要好好的利用這一個機會跟日本來確保說我們的供應鏈上面特別是在稀土遇到它可能的武器化的話我們是有機會來去參與它這樣子的合作架構剛才部長有提到的幾個合作框架下我是希望說我們能夠主動\n363940\t383414\t主動主動跟日方來討論那既然有這個美日的框架那台灣的角色可以是什麼部長可不可以簡單來回應一下是陳委員所講因為台日其實臨接的國家那不只是在剛講通訊還有這個防災齁其實在能源上也是密切相關\n384495\t401261\t所以我們像我們投資或採購在阿拉斯加的這個天然氣其實它不只是一個經濟議題它也是一個安全議題那我們台日之間很多這方面的合作的項目\n402081\t428756\t透過不管是我們雙邊之間或多邊的來進行現在高市草苗首相他在先前就已經在自民黨內有很多的倡議現在他當首相當然我們也希望台日之間這個可以變成政府之間一起來推動包括去年石破茂首相到這個秘魯的APEC的時候跟我們領袖代表林信義這個執政也登對所謂的\n432033\t460035\t災害的一個處理希望台日來合作我覺得這個確實是對雙方面都是有關那是互惠的這些議題我們找出來讓我們的總和外交不只是談這個理念相近的這些價值還是夠談到具體的安全還有經濟上面的這一些合作甚至是我們講全社會防禦任性的這個空間是非常的大\n461365\t479510\t尤其是我們的無人機航太半導體產業它是高度依賴這些稀土的所以我想最近有南非的事件我們也可以理解到南非它自己也有類似半威脅的說法它是說它強調自己是重要稀有金屬的供應國\n480430\t495499\t所以說他有意升級為高科技製造鏈的關鍵節點所以說我們雖然我們也是重要的這個關鍵國家之一但是提供這些物資資源的這些自然資源的這些國家有沒有可能\n496415\t513028\t會跟中國來做一個協調那導致我們在供應鏈的地緣政治有風險這個部分我就簡單跟部長希望說跟經濟部一定要有一個跨部會的協調來去了解一下他們的政策動向我跟委員馬上補充一下在就是稀土議題\n514529\t529650\t因為這涉及到所謂的供應的安全尤其是我們要打造非紅的民主供應鏈是一個信賴的供應鏈裡面在稀土上面我們也有我本身也有發言那就是除了\n531592\t553581\t呼應這個川普政府的倡議這個進行稀土供應鏈的合作之外我們也在積極的參與希望台灣也能夠我想這個是助人也助己對我們在半導體供應鏈上面這個稀土的供給能夠有安全的供應鏈我們請副主委副主委謝謝 謝謝部長那麻煩副主委\n565506\t565526\t委員長\n567552\t596191\t針對中共的長臂管轄跟他的跨境鎮壓我簡單的要特別提醒一下這不僅僅是對我國的國會議員的這種侮辱但是我們還要注意一件事情就是說之前在白俄羅斯有逼客機迫降來去逮捕異議記者的事情我不知道你還有沒有印象原則上就是白俄羅斯他是在派他的這個他的空軍升空他迫使這個瑞恩航空的客機轉降到白俄首都\n596951\t619566\t也就是說這樣子的可能性是有的所以說你必須要有一個風險的評估我們哪一些被點名的國會議員或者是重要的官員當他們出國的時候這個風險是有的那有沒有經過這些不友好國家甚至是有敵意國家的領空是不是會有類似這樣的狀況出現我是提醒因為已經發生過了好 謝謝\n","txt":"你好,我們請外交部部長來,林部長請\n委員好部長好部長今年這個舉行的這個APEC能源部長會議聯合聲明的時候他已經明確的把海底電纜納入那個能源韌性的版圖裡面那當時的各個經濟體他有特別強盜為了要加強電力系統的彈性韌性跟穩定性那現代化的電網基礎設施包含儲能系統微電網還有海底電纜\n那你也在週二的台歐海底電纜安全合作論壇上面你有宣布啟動國際海底電纜風險管理倡議那我要強調的是從水下的設施到通訊到電力到油電管輸線它是三大命脈第一個是我們的資料第二個是我們的電力然後第三個就是我們資本運期的三大動脈只要任何一處受損就有可能會發引發是跨境型的斷線斷電也有可能會斷電\n所以這次APEC的能源認証路線跟我國提出的這個倡議其實是前後呼應彼此加成那前者是設定了區域層級的政策方向跟合作框架那後面我們是有實作面的風險的緩解那情勢共享制度改革等等所以我必須要特別這個對外交部\n推動科技安全外交就是你是有實質內容的外交我是感到是非常的滿意我希望可以做更多這一次我們在訪問日本的時候基本上我們也都有特別提到這些相關的安全議題海底電纜的安全議題我也感受到我們駐日辦事處的同仁他們是用系統面就是說這些專業的外交官不是不僅僅是以個人因為個人是不可以大於系統的\n所以包含這些專業的官僚跟專業的外交官基本上他們的這種網絡都非常的綿密那特別在這些相關的議題上面也有很好的掌握這一點我還是必須要特別的來表示這個相關的謝意那我今天想要請教的是在我們沒有辦法主辦類似像其實也不只是APEC那其實很多的重要的國際論壇那我們是要用什麼樣的方式把重要的議題\n讓他們能夠在會議當中來去被引入進去部長可不可以簡單講一下報告委員 除了雙邊的交流合作我們在國際特別是多邊的機制上面比如我們有GCTF今年是第十年目前有五個完整的會員國就是全球合作訓練倡議這個是很好的平台 現在已經在全球\n台灣美國那日本澳大利亞以外還去年加了加拿大那歐洲現在也有很多所謂的Franchise就是衍生的這個參與國家那剛剛講就是我們在倡議這個所謂的國際海難的風險管理這個議題就是類似因為台灣是本身也是受害者那我們又位居在印太第一島鏈其實最重要的通訊電\n力傳輸啊都是很多是透過電纜所以這個都不是我們單獨的面對的挑戰而是區域性甚至全球性的一體特別是歐洲自從這個破落地海這個這邊從這幾年發生的被所謂暗傳破壞啦或所謂的這個\n這種灰色地帶的侵擾越來越多所以跟我們可以說是同樣面對這樣的威脅那這些國家集合起來特別是透過國會議員尤其是歐洲議員他們也可以一起在他們的國家來做推動所以這個是我們找到的議題另外就是像災害的防救\n我們在這方面包括我們的消防署所衍生的我們全社會防禦任性每個國家現在都遇到類似的問題特別是在我們這個第一島鏈那我們也用這樣的議題做平台去結合 那很多國家也通過了一些倡議 包括國會的決議所以我們這次提出所謂的四大這個目標風險降低 資訊共享 制度改革和知識建構\n歐洲議會他們就是歐盟的執委會也有通過一個有關於海嵐的倡議那我們跟他對接然後一起來做跨區的合作跟推動\n日本也是一個重點我們接下來談到日本剛好我們訪日的時候是川普總統他訪日本那也跟高市總理那有簽署協議來去反制中國系統的這個武器化跟他的這些特殊管制\n那他們為了要打造相關的供應鏈民主供應鏈他們是聯手去補這個缺口鎖定的是磁鐵電池還有催化劇跟光學材料等衍生性的產品他是希望說打算動員政府與私部門的這個支持透過政策貿易來協同合作那這次訪日我們可以感受到整個日本的\n对台湾的友善那特别是过去是以这个民主的价值但是现在不是只以民主的价值就如同我们刚才一直强调的他是以实质导向以经济导向贸易导向科技导向那也符合部长你讲的这个全方位对这种外交实质的外交\n所以說我們必須要好好的利用這一個機會跟日本來確保說我們的供應鏈上面特別是在稀土遇到它可能的武器化的話我們是有機會來去參與它這樣子的合作架構剛才部長有提到的幾個合作框架下我是希望說我們能夠主動\n主動主動跟日方來討論那既然有這個美日的框架那台灣的角色可以是什麼部長可不可以簡單來回應一下是陳委員所講因為台日其實臨接的國家那不只是在剛講通訊還有這個防災齁其實在能源上也是密切相關\n所以我們像我們投資或採購在阿拉斯加的這個天然氣其實它不只是一個經濟議題它也是一個安全議題那我們台日之間很多這方面的合作的項目\n透過不管是我們雙邊之間或多邊的來進行現在高市草苗首相他在先前就已經在自民黨內有很多的倡議現在他當首相當然我們也希望台日之間這個可以變成政府之間一起來推動包括去年石破茂首相到這個秘魯的APEC的時候跟我們領袖代表林信義這個執政也登對所謂的\n災害的一個處理希望台日來合作我覺得這個確實是對雙方面都是有關那是互惠的這些議題我們找出來讓我們的總和外交不只是談這個理念相近的這些價值還是夠談到具體的安全還有經濟上面的這一些合作甚至是我們講全社會防禦任性的這個空間是非常的大\n尤其是我們的無人機航太半導體產業它是高度依賴這些稀土的所以我想最近有南非的事件我們也可以理解到南非它自己也有類似半威脅的說法它是說它強調自己是重要稀有金屬的供應國\n所以說他有意升級為高科技製造鏈的關鍵節點所以說我們雖然我們也是重要的這個關鍵國家之一但是提供這些物資資源的這些自然資源的這些國家有沒有可能\n會跟中國來做一個協調那導致我們在供應鏈的地緣政治有風險這個部分我就簡單跟部長希望說跟經濟部一定要有一個跨部會的協調來去了解一下他們的政策動向我跟委員馬上補充一下在就是稀土議題\n因為這涉及到所謂的供應的安全尤其是我們要打造非紅的民主供應鏈是一個信賴的供應鏈裡面在稀土上面我們也有我本身也有發言那就是除了\n呼應這個川普政府的倡議這個進行稀土供應鏈的合作之外我們也在積極的參與希望台灣也能夠我想這個是助人也助己對我們在半導體供應鏈上面這個稀土的供給能夠有安全的供應鏈我們請副主委副主委謝謝 謝謝部長那麻煩副主委\n委員長\n針對中共的長臂管轄跟他的跨境鎮壓我簡單的要特別提醒一下這不僅僅是對我國的國會議員的這種侮辱但是我們還要注意一件事情就是說之前在白俄羅斯有逼客機迫降來去逮捕異議記者的事情我不知道你還有沒有印象原則上就是白俄羅斯他是在派他的這個他的空軍升空他迫使這個瑞恩航空的客機轉降到白俄首都\n也就是說這樣子的可能性是有的所以說你必須要有一個風險的評估我們哪一些被點名的國會議員或者是重要的官員當他們出國的時候這個風險是有的那有沒有經過這些不友好國家甚至是有敵意國家的領空是不是會有類似這樣的狀況出現我是提醒因為已經發生過了好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.276 --> 00:04.807\n你好,我們請外交部部長來,林部長請\n\n00:11.553 --> 00:36.756\n委員好部長好部長今年這個舉行的這個APEC能源部長會議聯合聲明的時候他已經明確的把海底電纜納入那個能源韌性的版圖裡面那當時的各個經濟體他有特別強盜為了要加強電力系統的彈性韌性跟穩定性那現代化的電網基礎設施包含儲能系統微電網還有海底電纜\n\n00:37.737 --> 01:05.255\n那你也在週二的台歐海底電纜安全合作論壇上面你有宣布啟動國際海底電纜風險管理倡議那我要強調的是從水下的設施到通訊到電力到油電管輸線它是三大命脈第一個是我們的資料第二個是我們的電力然後第三個就是我們資本運期的三大動脈只要任何一處受損就有可能會發引發是跨境型的斷線斷電也有可能會斷電\n\n01:06.616 --> 01:27.796\n所以這次APEC的能源認証路線跟我國提出的這個倡議其實是前後呼應彼此加成那前者是設定了區域層級的政策方向跟合作框架那後面我們是有實作面的風險的緩解那情勢共享制度改革等等所以我必須要特別這個對外交部\n\n01:28.436 --> 01:53.083\n推動科技安全外交就是你是有實質內容的外交我是感到是非常的滿意我希望可以做更多這一次我們在訪問日本的時候基本上我們也都有特別提到這些相關的安全議題海底電纜的安全議題我也感受到我們駐日辦事處的同仁他們是用系統面就是說這些專業的外交官不是不僅僅是以個人因為個人是不可以大於系統的\n\n01:53.743 --> 02:20.557\n所以包含這些專業的官僚跟專業的外交官基本上他們的這種網絡都非常的綿密那特別在這些相關的議題上面也有很好的掌握這一點我還是必須要特別的來表示這個相關的謝意那我今天想要請教的是在我們沒有辦法主辦類似像其實也不只是APEC那其實很多的重要的國際論壇那我們是要用什麼樣的方式把重要的議題\n\n02:22.197 --> 02:49.304\n讓他們能夠在會議當中來去被引入進去部長可不可以簡單講一下報告委員除了雙邊的交流合作我們在國際特別是多邊的機制上面比如我們有GCTF今年是第十年目前有五個完整的會員國就是全球合作訓練倡議這個是很好的平台現在已經在全球\n\n02:50.064 --> 03:14.895\n台灣美國那日本澳大利亞以外還去年加了加拿大那歐洲現在也有很多所謂的Franchise就是衍生的這個參與國家那剛剛講就是我們在倡議這個所謂的國際海難的風險管理這個議題就是類似因為台灣是本身也是受害者那我們又位居在印太第一島鏈其實最重要的通訊電\n\n03:17.396 --> 03:29.365\n力傳輸啊都是很多是透過電纜所以這個都不是我們單獨的面對的挑戰而是區域性甚至全球性的一體特別是歐洲自從這個破落地海這個這邊從這幾年發生的被所謂暗傳破壞啦或所謂的這個\n\n03:37.591 --> 03:46.880\n這種灰色地帶的侵擾越來越多所以跟我們可以說是同樣面對這樣的威脅那這些國家集合起來特別是透過國會議員尤其是歐洲議員他們也可以一起在他們的國家來做推動所以這個是我們找到的議題另外就是像災害的防救\n\n04:00.543 --> 04:06.667\n我們在這方面包括我們的消防署所衍生的我們全社會防禦任性每個國家現在都遇到類似的問題特別是在我們這個第一島鏈那我們也用這樣的議題做平台去結合那很多國家也通過了一些倡議包括國會的決議所以我們這次提出所謂的四大這個目標風險降低資訊共享制度改革和知識建構\n\n04:30.863 --> 04:42.430\n歐洲議會他們就是歐盟的執委會也有通過一個有關於海嵐的倡議那我們跟他對接然後一起來做跨區的合作跟推動\n\n04:44.497 --> 05:01.949\n日本也是一個重點我們接下來談到日本剛好我們訪日的時候是川普總統他訪日本那也跟高市總理那有簽署協議來去反制中國系統的這個武器化跟他的這些特殊管制\n\n05:02.629 --> 05:23.012\n那他們為了要打造相關的供應鏈民主供應鏈他們是聯手去補這個缺口鎖定的是磁鐵電池還有催化劇跟光學材料等衍生性的產品他是希望說打算動員政府與私部門的這個支持透過政策貿易來協同合作那這次訪日我們可以感受到整個日本的\n\n05:23.833 --> 05:42.229\n对台湾的友善那特别是过去是以这个民主的价值但是现在不是只以民主的价值就如同我们刚才一直强调的他是以实质导向以经济导向贸易导向科技导向那也符合部长你讲的这个全方位对这种外交实质的外交\n\n05:43.030 --> 06:02.722\n所以說我們必須要好好的利用這一個機會跟日本來確保說我們的供應鏈上面特別是在稀土遇到它可能的武器化的話我們是有機會來去參與它這樣子的合作架構剛才部長有提到的幾個合作框架下我是希望說我們能夠主動\n\n06:03.940 --> 06:23.414\n主動主動跟日方來討論那既然有這個美日的框架那台灣的角色可以是什麼部長可不可以簡單來回應一下是陳委員所講因為台日其實臨接的國家那不只是在剛講通訊還有這個防災齁其實在能源上也是密切相關\n\n06:24.495 --> 06:41.261\n所以我們像我們投資或採購在阿拉斯加的這個天然氣其實它不只是一個經濟議題它也是一個安全議題那我們台日之間很多這方面的合作的項目\n\n06:42.081 --> 07:08.756\n透過不管是我們雙邊之間或多邊的來進行現在高市草苗首相他在先前就已經在自民黨內有很多的倡議現在他當首相當然我們也希望台日之間這個可以變成政府之間一起來推動包括去年石破茂首相到這個秘魯的APEC的時候跟我們領袖代表林信義這個執政也登對所謂的\n\n07:12.033 --> 07:40.035\n災害的一個處理希望台日來合作我覺得這個確實是對雙方面都是有關那是互惠的這些議題我們找出來讓我們的總和外交不只是談這個理念相近的這些價值還是夠談到具體的安全還有經濟上面的這一些合作甚至是我們講全社會防禦任性的這個空間是非常的大\n\n07:41.365 --> 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