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00:01:07,629\n想要請問一下有關醫院醫師加班免稅的部分這個今年底有沒有機會達成那可以讓這個醫院醫師明年在報稅的時候就可以試用那同樣的有關於健保給付的部分請問部長是不是能夠加快以及加大力道檢討醫療服務的給付的部分那我也想要請問這兩個部分目前的已有規劃期程跟方向\n\n4\n00:01:08,729 --> 00:01:30,397\n跟委員報第一個是有關於我們醫師加班因為醫師的工時確實是比較長那麼特別是有一些病人在假日或夜間都需要服務那根據所得稅法那麼一般而言的加班費是可以免稅那所以我們現在在為醫師爭取那麼特別是希望修訂我們的\n\n5\n00:01:31,577 --> 00:01:55,505\n這個健保的特約管理辦法裡面那麼讓他明訂那麼關於按照這個所得稅法規定的加班的這個免稅的這個標準就是上限標準那另外呢如何的這個計算我們已經幾次跟這個相關的這個主管機關包含公立醫院的主管機關所以部長換言之你是很支持這個方向啦是是是謝謝謝謝委員\n\n6\n00:01:57,485 --> 00:02:25,184\n對那我只是想問說那這個期程的部分然後另外一個就是有關於剛剛所謂的這個檢討醫療服務給付的部分那麼加班稅免稅我們是希望在年底前把它完成適用於明年報稅的時候OK適用明年報稅太好了對對對這個我們來努力那至於在這個急重症的給付的部分我們今年在健保的總額裡面已經先調整了那麼主要是以加護病房跟急診這邊事先優先調整\n\n7\n00:02:26,365 --> 00:02:49,884\n那麼另外明年的部分我們已經在兒科的部分那麼也匡列了大概0到6歲的兒童的預算匡列249億那我們會優先調整這個兒童的住院的給付都會把它拉高對部長我相信你很專業喔在這個部分畢竟你一路以來這個部分是你專業領域但是我們可以看到\n\n8\n00:02:51,385 --> 00:03:10,356\n雖然這一段時間以來你很努力的去改善可是看起來並沒有阻止也沒有真的很明顯的成效所以我想要說的事情是這個部分是不是可以加大和加快這個力道不然我們都很擔心連醫療中心這個相關的重要的科別都崩潰是會的會的\n\n9\n00:03:11,196 --> 00:03:25,787\n因為我們這兩年的今年的預算也增加明年的話又是這個以5.5的成長所以我們會連著持續的一直去調整關於在急重症的支付那同時也會搭配醫院評鑑制度的改革\n\n10\n00:03:26,867 --> 00:03:51,637\n來強化這個人才的羅製那另外還有健康台灣深耕計畫那麼也謝謝委員的支持今年已經有近60億那明年會擴大到100億的預算我們也編載預算書那也都是在改善醫護人員的這個工作條件是那部長再麻煩您把目前有的這個相關的報告以及進度交給本席辦公室一份好嗎好沒問題謝謝那再來我要請這個關務署長\n\n11\n00:04:03,535 --> 00:04:20,642\n蘇長蘇長好基本上這整件事件從流程來看今天排這個其實包含農業部長也說過去本土沒有案例所以一定是從境外來那外界關注這個境外的包裹是不是變成防疫的破口也是一個問題所以\n\n12\n00:04:22,870 --> 00:04:45,496\n今天要特別的討論說這所謂的邊境破口到底在哪裡那麼根據新聞報導關務署也表示說海關針對於民眾以海運快遞空運快遞或者是郵包進進口的貨品均全面的X光已檢了那也從10月24號開始說提高人工開箱的查驗比率那因此想要問署長\n\n13\n00:04:46,596 --> 00:05:05,422\n有關於這個關務署強調進口郵包進口快遞100%的X框查驗聽起來是個有效的方式但是為什麼還有媒體會報導說有第一線的物流人士表示肉製品大量以包裹或夾櫃的方式流入這是空穴來風呢還是是說這個部分真的有一些漏洞\n\n14\n00:05:07,251 --> 00:05:35,924\n跟委員報告就如同剛委員所提的我們不管是旅客行李或者是這個郵包或者是快遞貨物那我們是百分之百X光檢查那如果有影像有異常的話就會人工開箱查驗那所以我們其實一直都是做這樣子一個強化那現在的話我們更是會提高我們的人工的一個查驗比例\n\n15\n00:05:36,064 --> 00:06:01,427\n是因為署長我們大概推估一下疫情爆發後10月24號到26號這三天其實各官的人工開箱查驗件數大概是4000件超過4000件那查獲違規豬肉製品大概4件共6.7公斤那用這個比例來算大概是千分之一所以大概人工去檢查後可能比純木式的X光還要來精準許多\n\n16\n00:06:02,268 --> 00:06:23,271\n所以我們就保守估計如果用X光的這個疏漏率假設掃過去沒有辦法馬上找到有問題的話這個比率假設是人工的一半好了就是用0.5的話那麼如果照2024年的台灣進口包裹總數量是5847萬件來算可能也有8萬件的沒有查到的漏網之餘\n\n17\n00:06:24,332 --> 00:06:36,079\n所以因為我當然可以理解說不可能每一個包裹都用人工檢查啦這是不可能事情但是這樣子的數量我想請問有沒有去檢討或是什麼更有效的方式來防堵這個漏洞\n\n18\n00:06:37,414 --> 00:06:57,411\n報告委員就是說當然我們今天因為海關的人力的問題所以我們一定會強化我們運用相關的這個高科技包括剛才提到的S光還有另外就是我們跟房檢署這邊房檢署他有這個檢疫犬那也會請這個房檢署的檢疫犬隊可以\n\n19\n00:06:57,771 --> 00:07:26,669\n加強這個一個繡紋那另外就是說我們增加我們的一個開箱的比率還有就是也會提高我們低線官員他在辨識這個S光影像的一個專業的知能好我想要提出來就是用這個數據來看這個可能是有漏網之語是非常的多你們可能要去想辦法精進相關的相關的流程上有沒有辦法更嚴格在既有的資源之下還有或是科技的應用之下\n\n20\n00:07:27,389 --> 00:07:48,667\n那另外呢這個你們也有備詢的時候表示郵包茶貨肉製品大概是1000件那淡井開發9件這比例非常的低請問原因是什麼那也想要請問好您先說原因是什麼先跟委員報告就是有關我們郵包海關茶貨那我們是已給防檢署這邊來做採訪所以有關採訪的部分是防檢署這邊的一個圈館\n\n21\n00:07:55,092 --> 00:07:59,179\n好那請相關的房間署來回答報告委員\n\n22\n00:08:05,444 --> 00:08:27,291\n那我們大概都移送採訪因為在這個過程之中很多數是因為冒名或者是不知情那所以說沒有辦法追溯所以這也是一個很大的原因嘛1000件有開罰9件其實是非常的低啊千分之九那主要原因就是你說可能冒名或者是雙方不知道是誰或是第一次\n\n23\n00:08:27,811 --> 00:08:53,170\n非故意嘛所以现在回头来看首次非故意免罚是不是就可能变成是一个有心人可以钻的漏洞是嘛我们也在检讨对你也说是嘛对不对对我们现在也在检讨但这会回到一个问题就是假设A跟B那A如果对B有意见故意陷害记了对故意陷害我记了一百件所以这个东西是一个要检讨的东西所以我也可以理解因为如果有人\n\n24\n00:08:53,951 --> 00:09:04,887\n刻意被陷害的話所以這個部分是想要問說那可不可以請電商平台也負起相關的責任比如說主動勸阻啦或是針對違規的商家進行處罰\n\n25\n00:09:06,024 --> 00:09:26,403\n有目前我們的電商平台有配合我們所以您支持這個方向對我說明一下就是說這幾年我們一直在努力跟電商平台就是它要有一些的自主的管理的一個機制上然後再加上配合我們做一些的相關的一個宣導所以其實從我們開發的比例我講的是電商是電商的這個部分那它已經降低了這個財閥數了\n\n26\n00:09:29,826 --> 00:09:46,082\n有那個效果出來嗎你說因為跟他們溝通完之後你們這個數量是沒有採取種種的措施對這數量是有下降可是可能顯然還不夠嘛1000件裡面只有9件開罰不是這兩件事情對我的意思是說這個部分因為你剛剛說你擔心他被陷害\n\n27\n00:09:46,863 --> 00:10:05,677\n好然後或者是你這個制度上你擔心AB互相不認識那這個源頭是不是有可能跟電商平台要負起相關的責任有關所以我們剛剛講的是這個啊你說因為你跟他們溝通完有下降有下降那這個部分是不是還還可以有空間去更精進的作為更精進的作為那另外整個\n\n28\n00:10:08,384 --> 00:10:31,244\n現在目前已經有更改到實名制官務署已經更改到實名制了所以他要雙證件這樣就避免了很多假冒的一個行為所以現在這段的時間事實上這個違規的行為也降低了比率也降低了比率降低多少就是成效如何\n\n29\n00:10:37,608 --> 00:10:49,056\n好沒關係顯然你們現在沒有明確的數字啊查完之後給本席辦公室好不好好那我想要因為時間有限我繼續問一下也根據審計部的資料我可能這個部分要請衛福部長還有我們管務署長請部長\n\n30\n00:10:53,959 --> 00:11:09,919\n根據審計部的資料其實也有許多比如說外國地區其他地區的比如大陸地區其他國家食品用個人的這個自用名義輸入雖然沒有申請邊境查驗但卻實際可能作為販售的用途\n\n31\n00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:27,220\n像2023年有超過70萬人用這個方式進口食品而且重複進口的紀錄也高達數百次甚至每日的進口量也遠超過每日個人的合理攝取量所以有些時候也很難解釋說是自用\n\n32\n00:11:28,161 --> 00:11:47,832\n譬如說113年度申請這個免查驗輸入食品的相次前10名每人進口的這個報單數介於58分到3002分也逐漸這樣子是不是沒有有效的邊境控制的機制譬如說若這一類的食品\n\n33\n00:11:48,712 --> 00:12:06,806\n如果流入市面販售再要透過地方去後端市場去稽查基本上是事倍公辦也很難回溯進貨的來源也可能造成民眾很多無謂的困擾所以目前請問部長對於這個個人民意輸入制度的漏洞\n\n34\n00:12:07,606 --> 00:12:28,068\n食藥署或是署長有沒有辦法沿你要增設或者是你們有沒有什麼相關的經濟措施比如說增設進口頻率上限啊個人總量管制的制度啊或者是說有相關跟關務署跟食藥署建構一個類似通報系統比如說高頻輸入者他可能是一個重點稽查的名單請問這部分有沒有\n\n35\n00:12:29,069 --> 00:12:51,603\n跟委員報告確實現在呢個人輸入自用的部分是有6公斤以下1000美元以下這個是免這個食品這個申請輸入的規定但是他還是要堅守在邊關需要有這個檢查還是不能夠有這個假查這個違規的\n\n36\n00:12:53,744 --> 00:13:14,876\n物品所以這個還是在邊境還是需要查驗的至於剛剛提到確實如果說我們能夠進行溝機對一些高頻率因為為了這樣去這個限縮所有的國人他的自用的當然所以我說你可能要用溝機的方式更精準的去查驗對這個我們來研究看看\n\n37\n00:13:18,817 --> 00:13:40,267\n謝謝委員的詮詢這部分呢我們在之前非洲豬瘟之前我們就發現這樣子極度異常的其實這樣子的規定是在108年4月份我們公告隔年109年7月我們就覺得有異狀所以我們你把上面的修正的每日以及總額一天的一千美金等等修改\n\n38\n00:13:41,427 --> 00:13:59,610\n經過爭取意見之後對我們那時候的規定是希望能修改徵求有197個意見就一個意見贊成所有都反對所以在當時前之前的研議之下就稍微延緩我想這一次我們是一個很好契機重新去檢討跟勾擊那個嚴重\n\n39\n00:14:00,791 --> 00:14:23,377\n不合常理之下的一個個人輸入那實際上就是後市場專我們稽查有很多的臨時在銷售裡面呢都是以個人名義進來實際上銷售之時我想也有一些關稅的問題也有一些不符合個人使用的一些我們當初的美意所在我們會積極的修正以上好謝謝\n\n40\n00:14:24,577 --> 00:14:37,907\n那再去這個再麻煩經濟研議那也給北市辦公室一個你們最後的結論好因為這是兩個不同的方向好那這在最後一條我要請請這個請回座請經濟部請經濟部好\n\n41\n00:14:49,042 --> 00:15:00,964\n我想要請問一下因為根據這個商業刊物的統計過去10年台灣的小型包裹進口量從1582萬件成長到5847萬件增幅高達270%那同期的這個進口的包裹金額也從221億增長到656億累積增幅也將近快200%\n\n42\n00:15:15,367 --> 00:15:37,803\n那換句話說呢其實台灣民眾向海外購買產品可能已經成為一個不可逆的趨勢所以就我所知目前各大平台尤其是大陸的各大平台還沒有在台灣落地所以因此這一次的這個非洲豬瘟進口製品問題卓院長表示希望限期讓這些平台在台灣落地以便行政管理跟救責對嗎\n\n43\n00:15:40,485 --> 00:15:54,592\n是的卓院長在前天在立法院會有這樣表示那跟委員補充那個電商平台的主管是數位部是不是請經濟部跟數法部一起來好了因為剛剛在跟您講一些數據數法部也一起\n\n44\n00:16:10,074 --> 00:16:31,441\n所以基本上左院長的立場是說希望這些平台盡快落地可是其實我製作的一些時間表包含2008年這個淘寶用新加坡公司名義在台設立分公司那2015年被投審會要求撤資這個2018年淘寶在台設立港資跟英資的子公司分別營運\n\n45\n00:16:32,381 --> 00:16:38,925\n那這個總站的廣告跟台灣站的電商平台業務那2020年呢淘寶台灣也被經濟部稱這個落地台灣以為兩岸條例這就是為什麼剛剛要請經濟部來那限期半年內撤資否則連續重罰廢止許可\n\n46\n00:16:48,951 --> 00:17:00,621\n那淘寶台灣站只好宣布立刻關閉那2024年底呢港商淘寶台灣分公司投放雙11的優惠廣告那經濟部也稱說違反營業登記項目違法經營電商業務重罰120萬限半年內撤資否則繼續重罰\n\n47\n00:17:07,307 --> 00:17:35,065\n那就在前幾天這個卓院長表示限期讓他們來落地設立公司負責否則要強制下架那我要說的事情喔這個究竟他們要不要落地願不願意落地這是他們不願意還是是我們在法規上或者在輔導上有問題那現在等到發生事情了才要特別說要找他來負責要叫他趕快落地這樣感覺是很相互矛盾喔會讓人家覺得說政策好像是\n\n48\n00:17:35,985 --> 00:18:00,435\n像這個初一十五不一樣想要請問具體要怎麼幫助他們相關的落地計畫謝謝委員的推詢其實關於這部分來講的話我想說落地的部分其實當然基本上還是要配合這個因為任何的不管是大陸或者是世界各國落地的話當然就要配合我們投審會的相關機制\n\n49\n00:18:01,555 --> 00:18:21,749\n當然對我們的一些國內電商的一些衝擊我們都會一起來評估所以我想問說如果沒有順利落地的話那口中院長口中強制下架是什麼樣的措施我大概講一下這其實在重點落不落地其實重點在於這個管理因為今天這個非洲租運的事情真的要去做處理來做一個管理所以我們有想到幾個管理的方式\n\n50\n00:18:23,030 --> 00:18:46,726\n例如說淘寶這部分來講的話我們不管是境內境外我們會積極跟淘寶聯繫像現在目前你看那個淘寶其實有做一些措施你看到他的那個封面裡面已經有配合那個農業部的那個這是一部分嗎對那你們是不是還有可能用什麼其他技術手段譬如說禁止訪問沒有這個許可的電商平台\n\n51\n00:18:48,307 --> 00:19:16,627\n呃有有幾個啦吼第一個就是標示嘛吼那淘寶的部分來講的話他會特別如果是從台灣來的這些IP有沒有然後你用IP去封他台灣來的IP就不會去看看到那個肉品因為呃對他來講境外來講這些肉品可能可以賣到其他國家但是我們國家對於非洲基金這個非常關心所以他們現在目前也有這個措施就是說啊但除非你是跳到別的外面去對那他不就透過VPN就就一樣嗎\n\n52\n00:19:18,294 --> 00:19:42,389\n但是這部分跳過去回來就是還是就是今天這是一連串的問題但是我盡量可以做的就是這部分那另外我們也思考另外一個可以管理的方式就是我們有看到那個廣告的部分其實還是很重要我們怎麼去透過所以我們接下來會找這些平台因為他們很多都會在Meta上面去PO一些廣告我們接下來會去找他們來去如何去讓這一類的廣告能夠盡量減少\n\n53\n00:19:44,690 --> 00:20:04,115\n所以基本上同樣邏輯啦不只是大陸的這個拼多多京東抖音購物可能還有韓國的庫蓬還有日本的美錄可力然後美國亞馬遜沃爾瑪東南亞的Lazada這些通通都是國外的平台到目前也都沒有落地喔所以是用同樣的就是方式去跟他們談對嗎同樣的標準\n\n54\n00:20:06,736 --> 00:20:33,642\n來跟委員報告一下其實庫蓬庫蓬這部分他已經落地所以庫蓬這邊來講的話我們有落地像這麼大的一個韓國的電商其實我們也會積極的查核對我剛還有講到好幾個不同的好幾個的話我們如果有如果現在短期間還沒有落地的話我們盡量就會跟他們去做溝通那如果有一些狀況那Amazon倒是比較好一點因為Amazon他要上架的時候他必須要有品牌我們有跟他\n\n55\n00:20:34,102 --> 00:21:01,688\n在做因為他有全球開店平台的一些活動那我們跟他講那他其實要上架不是隨隨便便就可以上架的對這部分的尺度喔還有相關的技術規範喔這個可能要拿捏而且要盡速的跟他們溝通好謝謝好謝謝主席謝謝趙偉好謝謝廖趙偉那委員會重新公告齁我們剛剛宣布是10點半啊現在呃這個待林書文委員吹醒完之後我們再休息10分鐘齁抱歉來請林書文委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4655\t9224\t謝謝主席 謝謝趙偉那請 先請我們衛福部長 石部長那請部長\n14503\t38120\t廖委員長部長好 我想要延續一下最近大家看到我們都很擔心這個兒科啊 急重症啊或是一些這個相關的急重男寒科別的醫師人員流失很嚴重所以想要請問一下部長像兒科 急重症及部分科別的醫師或醫事人員流失問題嚴重那為了要解決這個出走的問題\n39201\t67629\t想要請問一下有關醫院醫師加班免稅的部分這個今年底有沒有機會達成那可以讓這個醫院醫師明年在報稅的時候就可以試用那同樣的有關於健保給付的部分請問部長是不是能夠加快以及加大力道檢討醫療服務的給付的部分那我也想要請問這兩個部分目前的已有規劃期程跟方向\n68729\t90397\t跟委員報第一個是有關於我們醫師加班因為醫師的工時確實是比較長那麼特別是有一些病人在假日或夜間都需要服務那根據所得稅法那麼一般而言的加班費是可以免稅那所以我們現在在為醫師爭取那麼特別是希望修訂我們的\n91577\t115505\t這個健保的特約管理辦法裡面那麼讓他明訂那麼關於按照這個所得稅法規定的加班的這個免稅的這個標準就是上限標準那另外呢如何的這個計算我們已經幾次跟這個相關的這個主管機關包含公立醫院的主管機關所以部長換言之你是很支持這個方向啦是是是 謝謝 謝謝委員\n117485\t145184\t對 那我只是想問說那這個期程的部分然後另外一個就是有關於剛剛所謂的這個檢討醫療服務給付的部分那麼加班稅免稅我們是希望在年底前把它完成適用於明年報稅的時候OK 適用明年報稅太好了對對對 這個我們來努力那至於在這個急重症的給付的部分我們今年在健保的總額裡面已經先調整了那麼主要是以加護病房跟急診這邊事先優先調整\n146365\t169884\t那麼另外明年的部分我們已經在兒科的部分那麼也匡列了大概0到6歲的兒童的預算匡列249億那我們會優先調整這個兒童的住院的給付都會把它拉高對部長我相信你很專業喔在這個部分畢竟你一路以來這個部分是你專業領域但是我們可以看到\n171385\t190356\t雖然這一段時間以來你很努力的去改善可是看起來並沒有阻止也沒有真的很明顯的成效所以我想要說的事情是這個部分是不是可以加大和加快這個力道不然我們都很擔心連醫療中心這個相關的重要的科別都崩潰是 會的會的\n191196\t205787\t因為我們這兩年的今年的預算也增加明年的話又是這個以5.5的成長所以我們會連著持續的一直去調整關於在急重症的支付那同時也會搭配醫院評鑑制度的改革\n206867\t231637\t來強化這個人才的羅製那另外還有健康台灣深耕計畫那麼也謝謝委員的支持今年已經有近60億那明年會擴大到100億的預算我們也編載預算書那也都是在改善醫護人員的這個工作條件是那部長再麻煩您把目前有的這個相關的報告以及進度交給本席辦公室一份好嗎好沒問題謝謝那再來我要請這個關務署長\n243535\t260642\t蘇長蘇長好基本上這整件事件從流程來看今天排這個其實包含農業部長也說過去本土沒有案例所以一定是從境外來那外界關注這個境外的包裹是不是變成防疫的破口也是一個問題所以\n262870\t285496\t今天要特別的討論說這所謂的邊境破口到底在哪裡那麼根據新聞報導關務署也表示說海關針對於民眾以海運快遞空運快遞或者是郵包進進口的貨品均全面的X光已檢了那也從10月24號開始說提高人工開箱的查驗比率那因此想要問署長\n286596\t305422\t有關於這個關務署強調進口郵包進口快遞100%的X框查驗聽起來是個有效的方式但是為什麼還有媒體會報導說有第一線的物流人士表示肉製品大量以包裹或夾櫃的方式流入這是空穴來風呢還是是說這個部分真的有一些漏洞\n307251\t335924\t跟委員報告就如同剛委員所提的我們不管是旅客行李或者是這個郵包或者是快遞貨物那我們是百分之百X光檢查那如果有影像有異常的話就會人工開箱查驗那所以我們其實一直都是做這樣子一個強化那現在的話我們更是會提高我們的人工的一個查驗比例\n336064\t361427\t是因為署長我們大概推估一下疫情爆發後10月24號到26號這三天其實各官的人工開箱查驗件數大概是4000件超過4000件那查獲違規豬肉製品大概4件共6.7公斤那用這個比例來算大概是千分之一所以大概人工去檢查後可能比純木式的X光還要來精準許多\n362268\t383271\t所以我們就保守估計如果用X光的這個疏漏率假設掃過去沒有辦法馬上找到有問題的話這個比率假設是人工的一半好了就是用0.5的話那麼如果照2024年的台灣進口包裹總數量是5847萬件來算可能也有8萬件的沒有查到的漏網之餘\n384332\t396079\t所以因為我當然可以理解說不可能每一個包裹都用人工檢查啦這是不可能事情但是這樣子的數量我想請問有沒有去檢討或是什麼更有效的方式來防堵這個漏洞\n397414\t417411\t報告委員就是說當然我們今天因為海關的人力的問題所以我們一定會強化我們運用相關的這個高科技包括剛才提到的S光還有另外就是我們跟房檢署這邊房檢署他有這個檢疫犬那也會請這個房檢署的檢疫犬隊可以\n417771\t446669\t加強這個一個繡紋那另外就是說我們增加我們的一個開箱的比率還有就是也會提高我們低線官員他在辨識這個S光影像的一個專業的知能好我想要提出來就是用這個數據來看這個可能是有漏網之語是非常的多你們可能要去想辦法精進相關的相關的流程上有沒有辦法更嚴格在既有的資源之下還有或是科技的應用之下\n447389\t468667\t那另外呢 這個你們也有備詢的時候表示郵包 茶貨 肉製品大概是1000件那淡井開發9件 這比例非常的低 請問原因是什麼那也想要請問 好 您先說原因是什麼先跟委員報告 就是有關我們郵包 海關 茶貨那我們是已給防檢署這邊來做採訪所以有關採訪的部分是防檢署這邊的一個圈館\n475092\t479179\t好 那請相關的房間署來回答報告委員\n485444\t507291\t那我們大概都移送採訪因為在這個過程之中很多數是因為冒名或者是不知情那所以說沒有辦法追溯所以這也是一個很大的原因嘛1000件有開罰9件其實是非常的低啊千分之九那主要原因就是你說可能冒名或者是雙方不知道是誰或是第一次\n507811\t533170\t非故意嘛所以现在回头来看首次非故意免罚是不是就可能变成是一个有心人可以钻的漏洞是嘛我们也在检讨对你也说是嘛对不对对我们现在也在检讨但这会回到一个问题就是假设A跟B那A如果对B有意见故意陷害记了对故意陷害我记了一百件所以这个东西是一个要检讨的东西所以我也可以理解因为如果有人\n533951\t544887\t刻意被陷害的話所以這個部分是想要問說那可不可以請電商平台也負起相關的責任比如說主動勸阻啦或是針對違規的商家進行處罰\n546024\t566403\t有 目前我們的電商平台有配合我們所以您支持這個方向 對我說明一下就是說這幾年我們一直在努力跟電商平台就是它要有一些的自主的管理的一個機制上然後再加上配合我們做一些的相關的一個宣導所以其實從我們開發的比例我講的是電商是電商的這個部分那它已經降低了這個財閥數了\n569826\t586082\t有那個效果出來嗎你說因為跟他們溝通完之後你們這個數量是沒有 採取種種的措施對 這數量是有下降可是可能顯然還不夠嘛1000件裡面只有9件開罰不是 這兩件事情對 我的意思是說這個部分因為你剛剛說你擔心他被陷害\n586863\t605677\t好然後或者是你這個制度上你擔心AB互相不認識那這個源頭是不是有可能跟電商平台要負起相關的責任有關所以我們剛剛講的是這個啊你說因為你跟他們溝通完有下降有下降那這個部分是不是還還可以有空間去更精進的作為更精進的作為那另外整個\n608384\t631244\t現在目前已經有更改到實名制官務署已經更改到實名制了所以他要雙證件這樣就避免了很多假冒的一個行為所以現在這段的時間事實上這個違規的行為也降低了比率也降低了 比率降低多少就是成效如何\n637608\t649056\t好沒關係顯然你們現在沒有明確的數字啊查完之後給本席辦公室好不好好那我想要因為時間有限我繼續問一下也根據審計部的資料我可能這個部分要請衛福部長還有我們管務署長請部長\n653959\t669919\t根據審計部的資料 其實也有許多比如說外國地區 其他地區的比如大陸地區 其他國家食品用個人的這個自用名義輸入雖然沒有申請邊境查驗但卻實際可能作為販售的用途\n670640\t687220\t像2023年有超過70萬人用這個方式進口食品而且重複進口的紀錄也高達數百次甚至每日的進口量也遠超過每日個人的合理攝取量所以有些時候也很難解釋說是自用\n688161\t707832\t譬如說113年度申請這個免查驗輸入食品的相次前10名每人進口的這個報單數介於58分到3002分也逐漸這樣子是不是沒有有效的邊境控制的機制譬如說若這一類的食品\n708712\t726806\t如果流入市面販售再要透過地方去後端市場去稽查基本上是事倍公辦也很難回溯進貨的來源也可能造成民眾很多無謂的困擾所以目前請問部長對於這個個人民意輸入制度的漏洞\n727606\t748068\t食藥署或是署長有沒有辦法沿你要增設或者是你們有沒有什麼相關的經濟措施比如說增設進口頻率上限啊個人總量管制的制度啊或者是說有相關跟關務署跟食藥署建構一個類似通報系統比如說高頻輸入者他可能是一個重點稽查的名單請問這部分有沒有\n749069\t771603\t跟委員報告確實現在呢個人輸入自用的部分是有6公斤以下1000美元以下這個是免這個食品這個申請輸入的規定但是他還是要堅守在邊關需要有這個檢查還是不能夠有這個假查這個違規的\n773744\t794876\t物品所以這個還是在邊境還是需要查驗的至於剛剛提到確實如果說我們能夠進行溝機對一些高頻率因為為了這樣去這個限縮所有的國人他的自用的當然所以我說你可能要用溝機的方式更精準的去查驗對這個我們來研究看看\n798817\t820267\t謝謝委員的詮詢這部分呢我們在之前非洲豬瘟之前我們就發現這樣子極度異常的其實這樣子的規定是在108年4月份我們公告隔年109年7月我們就覺得有異狀所以我們你把上面的修正的每日以及總額一天的一千美金等等修改\n821427\t839610\t經過爭取意見之後對我們那時候的規定是希望能修改徵求有197個意見就一個意見贊成所有都反對所以在當時前之前的研議之下就稍微延緩我想這一次我們是一個很好契機重新去檢討跟勾擊那個嚴重\n840791\t863377\t不合常理之下的一個個人輸入那實際上就是後市場專我們稽查有很多的臨時在銷售裡面呢都是以個人名義進來實際上銷售之時我想也有一些關稅的問題也有一些不符合個人使用的一些我們當初的美意所在我們會積極的修正 以上好 謝謝\n864577\t877907\t那再去這個再麻煩經濟研議那也給北市辦公室一個你們最後的結論好因為這是兩個不同的方向好那這在最後一條我要請請這個請回座請經濟部請經濟部好\n889042\t900964\t我想要請問一下因為根據這個商業刊物的統計過去10年台灣的小型包裹進口量從1582萬件成長到5847萬件增幅高達270%那同期的這個進口的包裹金額也從221億增長到656億累積增幅也將近快200%\n915367\t937803\t那換句話說呢其實台灣民眾向海外購買產品可能已經成為一個不可逆的趨勢所以就我所知目前各大平台尤其是大陸的各大平台還沒有在台灣落地所以因此這一次的這個非洲豬瘟進口製品問題卓院長表示希望限期讓這些平台在台灣落地以便行政管理跟救責對嗎\n940485\t954592\t是的 卓院長在前天在立法院會有這樣表示那跟委員補充那個電商平台的主管是數位部是不是請 經濟部跟數法部一起來好了因為剛剛在跟您講一些數據 數法部也一起\n970074\t991441\t所以基本上左院長的立場是說希望這些平台盡快落地可是其實我製作的一些時間表包含2008年這個淘寶用新加坡公司名義在台設立分公司那2015年被投審會要求撤資這個2018年淘寶在台設立港資跟英資的子公司分別營運\n992381\t998925\t那這個總站的廣告跟台灣站的電商平台業務那2020年呢淘寶台灣也被經濟部稱這個落地台灣以為兩岸條例這就是為什麼剛剛要請經濟部來那限期半年內撤資否則連續重罰廢止許可\n1008951\t1020621\t那淘寶台灣站只好宣布立刻關閉那2024年底呢港商淘寶台灣分公司投放雙11的優惠廣告那經濟部也稱說違反營業登記項目違法經營電商業務重罰120萬限半年內撤資否則繼續重罰\n1027307\t1055065\t那就在前幾天這個卓院長表示限期讓他們來落地設立公司負責否則要強制下架那我要說的事情喔這個究竟他們要不要落地願不願意落地這是他們不願意還是是我們在法規上或者在輔導上有問題那現在等到發生事情了才要特別說要找他來負責要叫他趕快落地這樣感覺是很相互矛盾喔會讓人家覺得說政策好像是\n1055985\t1080435\t像這個初一十五不一樣想要請問具體要怎麼幫助他們相關的落地計畫謝謝委員的推詢其實關於這部分來講的話我想說落地的部分其實當然基本上還是要配合這個因為任何的不管是大陸或者是世界各國落地的話當然就要配合我們投審會的相關機制\n1081555\t1101749\t當然對我們的一些國內電商的一些衝擊我們都會一起來評估所以我想問說如果沒有順利落地的話那口中院長口中強制下架是什麼樣的措施我大概講一下這其實在重點落不落地其實重點在於這個管理因為今天這個非洲租運的事情真的要去做處理來做一個管理所以我們有想到幾個管理的方式\n1103030\t1126726\t例如說淘寶這部分來講的話我們不管是境內境外我們會積極跟淘寶聯繫像現在目前你看那個淘寶其實有做一些措施你看到他的那個封面裡面已經有配合那個農業部的那個這是一部分嗎對那你們是不是還有可能用什麼其他技術手段譬如說禁止訪問沒有這個許可的電商平台\n1128307\t1156627\t呃有有幾個啦吼第一個就是標示嘛吼那淘寶的部分來講的話他會特別如果是從台灣來的這些IP有沒有然後你用IP去封他台灣來的IP就不會去看看到那個肉品因為呃對他來講境外來講這些肉品可能可以賣到其他國家但是我們國家對於非洲基金這個非常關心所以他們現在目前也有這個措施就是說啊但除非你是跳到別的外面去對那他不就透過VPN就就一樣嗎\n1158294\t1182389\t但是這部分跳過去回來就是還是就是今天這是一連串的問題但是我盡量可以做的就是這部分那另外我們也思考另外一個可以管理的方式就是我們有看到那個廣告的部分其實還是很重要我們怎麼去透過所以我們接下來會找這些平台因為他們很多都會在Meta上面去PO一些廣告我們接下來會去找他們來去如何去讓這一類的廣告能夠盡量減少\n1184690\t1204115\t所以基本上同樣邏輯啦不只是大陸的這個拼多多京東抖音購物可能還有韓國的庫蓬還有日本的美錄可力然後美國亞馬遜沃爾瑪東南亞的Lazada這些通通都是國外的平台到目前也都沒有落地喔所以是用同樣的就是方式去跟他們談對嗎同樣的標準\n1206736\t1233642\t來跟委員報告一下其實庫蓬庫蓬這部分他已經落地所以庫蓬這邊來講的話我們有落地像這麼大的一個韓國的電商其實我們也會積極的查核對我剛還有講到好幾個不同的好幾個的話我們如果有如果現在短期間還沒有落地的話我們盡量就會跟他們去做溝通那如果有一些狀況那Amazon倒是比較好一點因為Amazon他要上架的時候他必須要有品牌我們有跟他\n1234102\t1261688\t在做因為他有全球開店平台的一些活動那我們跟他講那他其實要上架不是隨隨便便就可以上架的對這部分的尺度喔還有相關的技術規範喔這個可能要拿捏而且要盡速的跟他們溝通好謝謝好謝謝主席謝謝趙偉好謝謝廖趙偉那委員會重新公告齁我們剛剛宣布是10點半啊現在呃這個待林書文委員吹醒完之後我們再休息10分鐘齁抱歉來請林書文委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 謝謝趙偉那請 先請我們衛福部長 石部長那請部長\n廖委員長部長好 我想要延續一下最近大家看到我們都很擔心這個兒科啊 急重症啊或是一些這個相關的急重男寒科別的醫師人員流失很嚴重所以想要請問一下部長像兒科 急重症及部分科別的醫師或醫事人員流失問題嚴重那為了要解決這個出走的問題\n想要請問一下有關醫院醫師加班免稅的部分這個今年底有沒有機會達成那可以讓這個醫院醫師明年在報稅的時候就可以試用那同樣的有關於健保給付的部分請問部長是不是能夠加快以及加大力道檢討醫療服務的給付的部分那我也想要請問這兩個部分目前的已有規劃期程跟方向\n跟委員報第一個是有關於我們醫師加班因為醫師的工時確實是比較長那麼特別是有一些病人在假日或夜間都需要服務那根據所得稅法那麼一般而言的加班費是可以免稅那所以我們現在在為醫師爭取那麼特別是希望修訂我們的\n這個健保的特約管理辦法裡面那麼讓他明訂那麼關於按照這個所得稅法規定的加班的這個免稅的這個標準就是上限標準那另外呢如何的這個計算我們已經幾次跟這個相關的這個主管機關包含公立醫院的主管機關所以部長換言之你是很支持這個方向啦是是是 謝謝 謝謝委員\n對 那我只是想問說那這個期程的部分然後另外一個就是有關於剛剛所謂的這個檢討醫療服務給付的部分那麼加班稅免稅我們是希望在年底前把它完成適用於明年報稅的時候OK 適用明年報稅太好了對對對 這個我們來努力那至於在這個急重症的給付的部分我們今年在健保的總額裡面已經先調整了那麼主要是以加護病房跟急診這邊事先優先調整\n那麼另外明年的部分我們已經在兒科的部分那麼也匡列了大概0到6歲的兒童的預算匡列249億那我們會優先調整這個兒童的住院的給付都會把它拉高對部長我相信你很專業喔在這個部分畢竟你一路以來這個部分是你專業領域但是我們可以看到\n雖然這一段時間以來你很努力的去改善可是看起來並沒有阻止也沒有真的很明顯的成效所以我想要說的事情是這個部分是不是可以加大和加快這個力道不然我們都很擔心連醫療中心這個相關的重要的科別都崩潰是 會的會的\n因為我們這兩年的今年的預算也增加明年的話又是這個以5.5的成長所以我們會連著持續的一直去調整關於在急重症的支付那同時也會搭配醫院評鑑制度的改革\n來強化這個人才的羅製那另外還有健康台灣深耕計畫那麼也謝謝委員的支持今年已經有近60億那明年會擴大到100億的預算我們也編載預算書那也都是在改善醫護人員的這個工作條件是那部長再麻煩您把目前有的這個相關的報告以及進度交給本席辦公室一份好嗎好沒問題謝謝那再來我要請這個關務署長\n蘇長蘇長好基本上這整件事件從流程來看今天排這個其實包含農業部長也說過去本土沒有案例所以一定是從境外來那外界關注這個境外的包裹是不是變成防疫的破口也是一個問題所以\n今天要特別的討論說這所謂的邊境破口到底在哪裡那麼根據新聞報導關務署也表示說海關針對於民眾以海運快遞空運快遞或者是郵包進進口的貨品均全面的X光已檢了那也從10月24號開始說提高人工開箱的查驗比率那因此想要問署長\n有關於這個關務署強調進口郵包進口快遞100%的X框查驗聽起來是個有效的方式但是為什麼還有媒體會報導說有第一線的物流人士表示肉製品大量以包裹或夾櫃的方式流入這是空穴來風呢還是是說這個部分真的有一些漏洞\n跟委員報告就如同剛委員所提的我們不管是旅客行李或者是這個郵包或者是快遞貨物那我們是百分之百X光檢查那如果有影像有異常的話就會人工開箱查驗那所以我們其實一直都是做這樣子一個強化那現在的話我們更是會提高我們的人工的一個查驗比例\n是因為署長我們大概推估一下疫情爆發後10月24號到26號這三天其實各官的人工開箱查驗件數大概是4000件超過4000件那查獲違規豬肉製品大概4件共6.7公斤那用這個比例來算大概是千分之一所以大概人工去檢查後可能比純木式的X光還要來精準許多\n所以我們就保守估計如果用X光的這個疏漏率假設掃過去沒有辦法馬上找到有問題的話這個比率假設是人工的一半好了就是用0.5的話那麼如果照2024年的台灣進口包裹總數量是5847萬件來算可能也有8萬件的沒有查到的漏網之餘\n所以因為我當然可以理解說不可能每一個包裹都用人工檢查啦這是不可能事情但是這樣子的數量我想請問有沒有去檢討或是什麼更有效的方式來防堵這個漏洞\n報告委員就是說當然我們今天因為海關的人力的問題所以我們一定會強化我們運用相關的這個高科技包括剛才提到的S光還有另外就是我們跟房檢署這邊房檢署他有這個檢疫犬那也會請這個房檢署的檢疫犬隊可以\n加強這個一個繡紋那另外就是說我們增加我們的一個開箱的比率還有就是也會提高我們低線官員他在辨識這個S光影像的一個專業的知能好我想要提出來就是用這個數據來看這個可能是有漏網之語是非常的多你們可能要去想辦法精進相關的相關的流程上有沒有辦法更嚴格在既有的資源之下還有或是科技的應用之下\n那另外呢 這個你們也有備詢的時候表示郵包 茶貨 肉製品大概是1000件那淡井開發9件 這比例非常的低 請問原因是什麼那也想要請問 好 您先說原因是什麼先跟委員報告 就是有關我們郵包 海關 茶貨那我們是已給防檢署這邊來做採訪所以有關採訪的部分是防檢署這邊的一個圈館\n好 那請相關的房間署來回答報告委員\n那我們大概都移送採訪因為在這個過程之中很多數是因為冒名或者是不知情那所以說沒有辦法追溯所以這也是一個很大的原因嘛1000件有開罰9件其實是非常的低啊千分之九那主要原因就是你說可能冒名或者是雙方不知道是誰或是第一次\n非故意嘛所以现在回头来看首次非故意免罚是不是就可能变成是一个有心人可以钻的漏洞是嘛我们也在检讨对你也说是嘛对不对对我们现在也在检讨但这会回到一个问题就是假设A跟B那A如果对B有意见故意陷害记了对故意陷害我记了一百件所以这个东西是一个要检讨的东西所以我也可以理解因为如果有人\n刻意被陷害的話所以這個部分是想要問說那可不可以請電商平台也負起相關的責任比如說主動勸阻啦或是針對違規的商家進行處罰\n有 目前我們的電商平台有配合我們所以您支持這個方向 對我說明一下就是說這幾年我們一直在努力跟電商平台就是它要有一些的自主的管理的一個機制上然後再加上配合我們做一些的相關的一個宣導所以其實從我們開發的比例我講的是電商是電商的這個部分那它已經降低了這個財閥數了\n有那個效果出來嗎你說因為跟他們溝通完之後你們這個數量是沒有 採取種種的措施對 這數量是有下降可是可能顯然還不夠嘛1000件裡面只有9件開罰不是 這兩件事情對 我的意思是說這個部分因為你剛剛說你擔心他被陷害\n好然後或者是你這個制度上你擔心AB互相不認識那這個源頭是不是有可能跟電商平台要負起相關的責任有關所以我們剛剛講的是這個啊你說因為你跟他們溝通完有下降有下降那這個部分是不是還還可以有空間去更精進的作為更精進的作為那另外整個\n現在目前已經有更改到實名制官務署已經更改到實名制了所以他要雙證件這樣就避免了很多假冒的一個行為所以現在這段的時間事實上這個違規的行為也降低了比率也降低了 比率降低多少就是成效如何\n好沒關係顯然你們現在沒有明確的數字啊查完之後給本席辦公室好不好好那我想要因為時間有限我繼續問一下也根據審計部的資料我可能這個部分要請衛福部長還有我們管務署長請部長\n根據審計部的資料 其實也有許多比如說外國地區 其他地區的比如大陸地區 其他國家食品用個人的這個自用名義輸入雖然沒有申請邊境查驗但卻實際可能作為販售的用途\n像2023年有超過70萬人用這個方式進口食品而且重複進口的紀錄也高達數百次甚至每日的進口量也遠超過每日個人的合理攝取量所以有些時候也很難解釋說是自用\n譬如說113年度申請這個免查驗輸入食品的相次前10名每人進口的這個報單數介於58分到3002分也逐漸這樣子是不是沒有有效的邊境控制的機制譬如說若這一類的食品\n如果流入市面販售再要透過地方去後端市場去稽查基本上是事倍公辦也很難回溯進貨的來源也可能造成民眾很多無謂的困擾所以目前請問部長對於這個個人民意輸入制度的漏洞\n食藥署或是署長有沒有辦法沿你要增設或者是你們有沒有什麼相關的經濟措施比如說增設進口頻率上限啊個人總量管制的制度啊或者是說有相關跟關務署跟食藥署建構一個類似通報系統比如說高頻輸入者他可能是一個重點稽查的名單請問這部分有沒有\n跟委員報告確實現在呢個人輸入自用的部分是有6公斤以下1000美元以下這個是免這個食品這個申請輸入的規定但是他還是要堅守在邊關需要有這個檢查還是不能夠有這個假查這個違規的\n物品所以這個還是在邊境還是需要查驗的至於剛剛提到確實如果說我們能夠進行溝機對一些高頻率因為為了這樣去這個限縮所有的國人他的自用的當然所以我說你可能要用溝機的方式更精準的去查驗對這個我們來研究看看\n謝謝委員的詮詢這部分呢我們在之前非洲豬瘟之前我們就發現這樣子極度異常的其實這樣子的規定是在108年4月份我們公告隔年109年7月我們就覺得有異狀所以我們你把上面的修正的每日以及總額一天的一千美金等等修改\n經過爭取意見之後對我們那時候的規定是希望能修改徵求有197個意見就一個意見贊成所有都反對所以在當時前之前的研議之下就稍微延緩我想這一次我們是一個很好契機重新去檢討跟勾擊那個嚴重\n不合常理之下的一個個人輸入那實際上就是後市場專我們稽查有很多的臨時在銷售裡面呢都是以個人名義進來實際上銷售之時我想也有一些關稅的問題也有一些不符合個人使用的一些我們當初的美意所在我們會積極的修正 以上好 謝謝\n那再去這個再麻煩經濟研議那也給北市辦公室一個你們最後的結論好因為這是兩個不同的方向好那這在最後一條我要請請這個請回座請經濟部請經濟部好\n我想要請問一下因為根據這個商業刊物的統計過去10年台灣的小型包裹進口量從1582萬件成長到5847萬件增幅高達270%那同期的這個進口的包裹金額也從221億增長到656億累積增幅也將近快200%\n那換句話說呢其實台灣民眾向海外購買產品可能已經成為一個不可逆的趨勢所以就我所知目前各大平台尤其是大陸的各大平台還沒有在台灣落地所以因此這一次的這個非洲豬瘟進口製品問題卓院長表示希望限期讓這些平台在台灣落地以便行政管理跟救責對嗎\n是的 卓院長在前天在立法院會有這樣表示那跟委員補充那個電商平台的主管是數位部是不是請 經濟部跟數法部一起來好了因為剛剛在跟您講一些數據 數法部也一起\n所以基本上左院長的立場是說希望這些平台盡快落地可是其實我製作的一些時間表包含2008年這個淘寶用新加坡公司名義在台設立分公司那2015年被投審會要求撤資這個2018年淘寶在台設立港資跟英資的子公司分別營運\n那這個總站的廣告跟台灣站的電商平台業務那2020年呢淘寶台灣也被經濟部稱這個落地台灣以為兩岸條例這就是為什麼剛剛要請經濟部來那限期半年內撤資否則連續重罰廢止許可\n那淘寶台灣站只好宣布立刻關閉那2024年底呢港商淘寶台灣分公司投放雙11的優惠廣告那經濟部也稱說違反營業登記項目違法經營電商業務重罰120萬限半年內撤資否則繼續重罰\n那就在前幾天這個卓院長表示限期讓他們來落地設立公司負責否則要強制下架那我要說的事情喔這個究竟他們要不要落地願不願意落地這是他們不願意還是是我們在法規上或者在輔導上有問題那現在等到發生事情了才要特別說要找他來負責要叫他趕快落地這樣感覺是很相互矛盾喔會讓人家覺得說政策好像是\n像這個初一十五不一樣想要請問具體要怎麼幫助他們相關的落地計畫謝謝委員的推詢其實關於這部分來講的話我想說落地的部分其實當然基本上還是要配合這個因為任何的不管是大陸或者是世界各國落地的話當然就要配合我們投審會的相關機制\n當然對我們的一些國內電商的一些衝擊我們都會一起來評估所以我想問說如果沒有順利落地的話那口中院長口中強制下架是什麼樣的措施我大概講一下這其實在重點落不落地其實重點在於這個管理因為今天這個非洲租運的事情真的要去做處理來做一個管理所以我們有想到幾個管理的方式\n例如說淘寶這部分來講的話我們不管是境內境外我們會積極跟淘寶聯繫像現在目前你看那個淘寶其實有做一些措施你看到他的那個封面裡面已經有配合那個農業部的那個這是一部分嗎對那你們是不是還有可能用什麼其他技術手段譬如說禁止訪問沒有這個許可的電商平台\n呃有有幾個啦吼第一個就是標示嘛吼那淘寶的部分來講的話他會特別如果是從台灣來的這些IP有沒有然後你用IP去封他台灣來的IP就不會去看看到那個肉品因為呃對他來講境外來講這些肉品可能可以賣到其他國家但是我們國家對於非洲基金這個非常關心所以他們現在目前也有這個措施就是說啊但除非你是跳到別的外面去對那他不就透過VPN就就一樣嗎\n但是這部分跳過去回來就是還是就是今天這是一連串的問題但是我盡量可以做的就是這部分那另外我們也思考另外一個可以管理的方式就是我們有看到那個廣告的部分其實還是很重要我們怎麼去透過所以我們接下來會找這些平台因為他們很多都會在Meta上面去PO一些廣告我們接下來會去找他們來去如何去讓這一類的廣告能夠盡量減少\n所以基本上同樣邏輯啦不只是大陸的這個拼多多京東抖音購物可能還有韓國的庫蓬還有日本的美錄可力然後美國亞馬遜沃爾瑪東南亞的Lazada這些通通都是國外的平台到目前也都沒有落地喔所以是用同樣的就是方式去跟他們談對嗎同樣的標準\n來跟委員報告一下其實庫蓬庫蓬這部分他已經落地所以庫蓬這邊來講的話我們有落地像這麼大的一個韓國的電商其實我們也會積極的查核對我剛還有講到好幾個不同的好幾個的話我們如果有如果現在短期間還沒有落地的話我們盡量就會跟他們去做溝通那如果有一些狀況那Amazon倒是比較好一點因為Amazon他要上架的時候他必須要有品牌我們有跟他\n在做因為他有全球開店平台的一些活動那我們跟他講那他其實要上架不是隨隨便便就可以上架的對這部分的尺度喔還有相關的技術規範喔這個可能要拿捏而且要盡速的跟他們溝通好謝謝好謝謝主席謝謝趙偉好謝謝廖趙偉那委員會重新公告齁我們剛剛宣布是10點半啊現在呃這個待林書文委員吹醒完之後我們再休息10分鐘齁抱歉來請林書文委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.655 --> 00:09.224\n謝謝主席謝謝趙偉那請先請我們衛福部長石部長那請部長\n\n00:14.503 --> 00:38.120\n廖委員長部長好我想要延續一下最近大家看到我們都很擔心這個兒科啊急重症啊或是一些這個相關的急重男寒科別的醫師人員流失很嚴重所以想要請問一下部長像兒科急重症及部分科別的醫師或醫事人員流失問題嚴重那為了要解決這個出走的問題\n\n00:39.201 --> 01:07.629\n想要請問一下有關醫院醫師加班免稅的部分這個今年底有沒有機會達成那可以讓這個醫院醫師明年在報稅的時候就可以試用那同樣的有關於健保給付的部分請問部長是不是能夠加快以及加大力道檢討醫療服務的給付的部分那我也想要請問這兩個部分目前的已有規劃期程跟方向\n\n01:08.729 --> 01:30.397\n跟委員報第一個是有關於我們醫師加班因為醫師的工時確實是比較長那麼特別是有一些病人在假日或夜間都需要服務那根據所得稅法那麼一般而言的加班費是可以免稅那所以我們現在在為醫師爭取那麼特別是希望修訂我們的\n\n01:31.577 --> 01:55.505\n這個健保的特約管理辦法裡面那麼讓他明訂那麼關於按照這個所得稅法規定的加班的這個免稅的這個標準就是上限標準那另外呢如何的這個計算我們已經幾次跟這個相關的這個主管機關包含公立醫院的主管機關所以部長換言之你是很支持這個方向啦是是是謝謝謝謝委員\n\n01:57.485 --> 02:25.184\n對那我只是想問說那這個期程的部分然後另外一個就是有關於剛剛所謂的這個檢討醫療服務給付的部分那麼加班稅免稅我們是希望在年底前把它完成適用於明年報稅的時候OK適用明年報稅太好了對對對這個我們來努力那至於在這個急重症的給付的部分我們今年在健保的總額裡面已經先調整了那麼主要是以加護病房跟急診這邊事先優先調整\n\n02:26.365 --> 02:49.884\n那麼另外明年的部分我們已經在兒科的部分那麼也匡列了大概0到6歲的兒童的預算匡列249億那我們會優先調整這個兒童的住院的給付都會把它拉高對部長我相信你很專業喔在這個部分畢竟你一路以來這個部分是你專業領域但是我們可以看到\n\n02:51.385 --> 03:10.356\n雖然這一段時間以來你很努力的去改善可是看起來並沒有阻止也沒有真的很明顯的成效所以我想要說的事情是這個部分是不是可以加大和加快這個力道不然我們都很擔心連醫療中心這個相關的重要的科別都崩潰是會的會的\n\n03:11.196 --> 03:25.787\n因為我們這兩年的今年的預算也增加明年的話又是這個以5.5的成長所以我們會連著持續的一直去調整關於在急重症的支付那同時也會搭配醫院評鑑制度的改革\n\n03:26.867 --> 03:51.637\n來強化這個人才的羅製那另外還有健康台灣深耕計畫那麼也謝謝委員的支持今年已經有近60億那明年會擴大到100億的預算我們也編載預算書那也都是在改善醫護人員的這個工作條件是那部長再麻煩您把目前有的這個相關的報告以及進度交給本席辦公室一份好嗎好沒問題謝謝那再來我要請這個關務署長\n\n04:03.535 --> 04:20.642\n蘇長蘇長好基本上這整件事件從流程來看今天排這個其實包含農業部長也說過去本土沒有案例所以一定是從境外來那外界關注這個境外的包裹是不是變成防疫的破口也是一個問題所以\n\n04:22.870 --> 04:45.496\n今天要特別的討論說這所謂的邊境破口到底在哪裡那麼根據新聞報導關務署也表示說海關針對於民眾以海運快遞空運快遞或者是郵包進進口的貨品均全面的X光已檢了那也從10月24號開始說提高人工開箱的查驗比率那因此想要問署長\n\n04:46.596 --> 05:05.422\n有關於這個關務署強調進口郵包進口快遞100%的X框查驗聽起來是個有效的方式但是為什麼還有媒體會報導說有第一線的物流人士表示肉製品大量以包裹或夾櫃的方式流入這是空穴來風呢還是是說這個部分真的有一些漏洞\n\n05:07.251 --> 05:35.924\n跟委員報告就如同剛委員所提的我們不管是旅客行李或者是這個郵包或者是快遞貨物那我們是百分之百X光檢查那如果有影像有異常的話就會人工開箱查驗那所以我們其實一直都是做這樣子一個強化那現在的話我們更是會提高我們的人工的一個查驗比例\n\n05:36.064 --> 06:01.427\n是因為署長我們大概推估一下疫情爆發後10月24號到26號這三天其實各官的人工開箱查驗件數大概是4000件超過4000件那查獲違規豬肉製品大概4件共6.7公斤那用這個比例來算大概是千分之一所以大概人工去檢查後可能比純木式的X光還要來精準許多\n\n06:02.268 --> 06:23.271\n所以我們就保守估計如果用X光的這個疏漏率假設掃過去沒有辦法馬上找到有問題的話這個比率假設是人工的一半好了就是用0.5的話那麼如果照2024年的台灣進口包裹總數量是5847萬件來算可能也有8萬件的沒有查到的漏網之餘\n\n06:24.332 --> 06:36.079\n所以因為我當然可以理解說不可能每一個包裹都用人工檢查啦這是不可能事情但是這樣子的數量我想請問有沒有去檢討或是什麼更有效的方式來防堵這個漏洞\n\n06:37.414 --> 06:57.411\n報告委員就是說當然我們今天因為海關的人力的問題所以我們一定會強化我們運用相關的這個高科技包括剛才提到的S光還有另外就是我們跟房檢署這邊房檢署他有這個檢疫犬那也會請這個房檢署的檢疫犬隊可以\n\n06:57.771 --> 07:26.669\n加強這個一個繡紋那另外就是說我們增加我們的一個開箱的比率還有就是也會提高我們低線官員他在辨識這個S光影像的一個專業的知能好我想要提出來就是用這個數據來看這個可能是有漏網之語是非常的多你們可能要去想辦法精進相關的相關的流程上有沒有辦法更嚴格在既有的資源之下還有或是科技的應用之下\n\n07:27.389 --> 07:48.667\n那另外呢這個你們也有備詢的時候表示郵包茶貨肉製品大概是1000件那淡井開發9件這比例非常的低請問原因是什麼那也想要請問好您先說原因是什麼先跟委員報告就是有關我們郵包海關茶貨那我們是已給防檢署這邊來做採訪所以有關採訪的部分是防檢署這邊的一個圈館\n\n07:55.092 --> 07:59.179\n好那請相關的房間署來回答報告委員\n\n08:05.444 --> 08:27.291\n那我們大概都移送採訪因為在這個過程之中很多數是因為冒名或者是不知情那所以說沒有辦法追溯所以這也是一個很大的原因嘛1000件有開罰9件其實是非常的低啊千分之九那主要原因就是你說可能冒名或者是雙方不知道是誰或是第一次\n\n08:27.811 --> 08:53.170\n非故意嘛所以现在回头来看首次非故意免罚是不是就可能变成是一个有心人可以钻的漏洞是嘛我们也在检讨对你也说是嘛对不对对我们现在也在检讨但这会回到一个问题就是假设A跟B那A如果对B有意见故意陷害记了对故意陷害我记了一百件所以这个东西是一个要检讨的东西所以我也可以理解因为如果有人\n\n08:53.951 --> 09:04.887\n刻意被陷害的話所以這個部分是想要問說那可不可以請電商平台也負起相關的責任比如說主動勸阻啦或是針對違規的商家進行處罰\n\n09:06.024 --> 09:26.403\n有目前我們的電商平台有配合我們所以您支持這個方向對我說明一下就是說這幾年我們一直在努力跟電商平台就是它要有一些的自主的管理的一個機制上然後再加上配合我們做一些的相關的一個宣導所以其實從我們開發的比例我講的是電商是電商的這個部分那它已經降低了這個財閥數了\n\n09:29.826 --> 09:46.082\n有那個效果出來嗎你說因為跟他們溝通完之後你們這個數量是沒有採取種種的措施對這數量是有下降可是可能顯然還不夠嘛1000件裡面只有9件開罰不是這兩件事情對我的意思是說這個部分因為你剛剛說你擔心他被陷害\n\n09:46.863 --> 10:05.677\n好然後或者是你這個制度上你擔心AB互相不認識那這個源頭是不是有可能跟電商平台要負起相關的責任有關所以我們剛剛講的是這個啊你說因為你跟他們溝通完有下降有下降那這個部分是不是還還可以有空間去更精進的作為更精進的作為那另外整個\n\n10:08.384 --> 10:31.244\n現在目前已經有更改到實名制官務署已經更改到實名制了所以他要雙證件這樣就避免了很多假冒的一個行為所以現在這段的時間事實上這個違規的行為也降低了比率也降低了比率降低多少就是成效如何\n\n10:37.608 --> 10:49.056\n好沒關係顯然你們現在沒有明確的數字啊查完之後給本席辦公室好不好好那我想要因為時間有限我繼續問一下也根據審計部的資料我可能這個部分要請衛福部長還有我們管務署長請部長\n\n10:53.959 --> 11:09.919\n根據審計部的資料其實也有許多比如說外國地區其他地區的比如大陸地區其他國家食品用個人的這個自用名義輸入雖然沒有申請邊境查驗但卻實際可能作為販售的用途\n\n11:10.640 --> 11:27.220\n像2023年有超過70萬人用這個方式進口食品而且重複進口的紀錄也高達數百次甚至每日的進口量也遠超過每日個人的合理攝取量所以有些時候也很難解釋說是自用\n\n11:28.161 --> 11:47.832\n譬如說113年度申請這個免查驗輸入食品的相次前10名每人進口的這個報單數介於58分到3002分也逐漸這樣子是不是沒有有效的邊境控制的機制譬如說若這一類的食品\n\n11:48.712 --> 12:06.806\n如果流入市面販售再要透過地方去後端市場去稽查基本上是事倍公辦也很難回溯進貨的來源也可能造成民眾很多無謂的困擾所以目前請問部長對於這個個人民意輸入制度的漏洞\n\n12:07.606 --> 12:28.068\n食藥署或是署長有沒有辦法沿你要增設或者是你們有沒有什麼相關的經濟措施比如說增設進口頻率上限啊個人總量管制的制度啊或者是說有相關跟關務署跟食藥署建構一個類似通報系統比如說高頻輸入者他可能是一個重點稽查的名單請問這部分有沒有\n\n12:29.069 --> 12:51.603\n跟委員報告確實現在呢個人輸入自用的部分是有6公斤以下1000美元以下這個是免這個食品這個申請輸入的規定但是他還是要堅守在邊關需要有這個檢查還是不能夠有這個假查這個違規的\n\n12:53.744 --> 13:14.876\n物品所以這個還是在邊境還是需要查驗的至於剛剛提到確實如果說我們能夠進行溝機對一些高頻率因為為了這樣去這個限縮所有的國人他的自用的當然所以我說你可能要用溝機的方式更精準的去查驗對這個我們來研究看看\n\n13:18.817 --> 13:40.267\n謝謝委員的詮詢這部分呢我們在之前非洲豬瘟之前我們就發現這樣子極度異常的其實這樣子的規定是在108年4月份我們公告隔年109年7月我們就覺得有異狀所以我們你把上面的修正的每日以及總額一天的一千美金等等修改\n\n13:41.427 --> 13:59.610\n經過爭取意見之後對我們那時候的規定是希望能修改徵求有197個意見就一個意見贊成所有都反對所以在當時前之前的研議之下就稍微延緩我想這一次我們是一個很好契機重新去檢討跟勾擊那個嚴重\n\n14:00.791 --> 14:23.377\n不合常理之下的一個個人輸入那實際上就是後市場專我們稽查有很多的臨時在銷售裡面呢都是以個人名義進來實際上銷售之時我想也有一些關稅的問題也有一些不符合個人使用的一些我們當初的美意所在我們會積極的修正以上好謝謝\n\n14:24.577 --> 14:37.907\n那再去這個再麻煩經濟研議那也給北市辦公室一個你們最後的結論好因為這是兩個不同的方向好那這在最後一條我要請請這個請回座請經濟部請經濟部好\n\n14:49.042 --> 15:00.964\n我想要請問一下因為根據這個商業刊物的統計過去10年台灣的小型包裹進口量從1582萬件成長到5847萬件增幅高達270%那同期的這個進口的包裹金額也從221億增長到656億累積增幅也將近快200%\n\n15:15.367 --> 15:37.803\n那換句話說呢其實台灣民眾向海外購買產品可能已經成為一個不可逆的趨勢所以就我所知目前各大平台尤其是大陸的各大平台還沒有在台灣落地所以因此這一次的這個非洲豬瘟進口製品問題卓院長表示希望限期讓這些平台在台灣落地以便行政管理跟救責對嗎\n\n15:40.485 --> 15:54.592\n是的卓院長在前天在立法院會有這樣表示那跟委員補充那個電商平台的主管是數位部是不是請經濟部跟數法部一起來好了因為剛剛在跟您講一些數據數法部也一起\n\n16:10.074 --> 16:31.441\n所以基本上左院長的立場是說希望這些平台盡快落地可是其實我製作的一些時間表包含2008年這個淘寶用新加坡公司名義在台設立分公司那2015年被投審會要求撤資這個2018年淘寶在台設立港資跟英資的子公司分別營運\n\n16:32.381 --> 16:38.925\n那這個總站的廣告跟台灣站的電商平台業務那2020年呢淘寶台灣也被經濟部稱這個落地台灣以為兩岸條例這就是為什麼剛剛要請經濟部來那限期半年內撤資否則連續重罰廢止許可\n\n16:48.951 --> 17:00.621\n那淘寶台灣站只好宣布立刻關閉那2024年底呢港商淘寶台灣分公司投放雙11的優惠廣告那經濟部也稱說違反營業登記項目違法經營電商業務重罰120萬限半年內撤資否則繼續重罰\n\n17:07.307 --> 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X光查驗，聽起來是個有效的方式，但是為什麼還有媒體會報導，有第一線的物流人士表示肉製品大量以包裹或夾櫃的方式流入，這是空穴來風？還是這部分真的有一些漏洞？"],["蘇副署長淑貞：跟委員報告，如同剛剛委員所提的，我們不管是旅客行李或是郵包、快遞貨物，我們是100%　X光檢查，如果影像有異常的話，就會人工開箱查驗，我們其實一直做這樣的強化，現在我們更會提高人工的查驗比率。"],["廖委員偉翔：副署長，我們大概推估一下，疫情爆發後，10月24號到26號這三天，各關的人工開箱查驗件數超過4,000件，查獲違規豬肉製品4件，共6.7公斤，用這個比例來算大概是千分之一。","人工檢查可能比純目視的X光還要精準許多，我們保守估計，如果用X光的疏漏率，假設掃過去沒有辦法馬上找到問題，這個比率假設是人工的一半好了，用0.5的話，如果照2024年臺灣進口包裹總數量是5,847萬件來算，可能有8萬件是沒有查到的漏網之魚。","我當然可以理解不可能每一個包裹都用人工檢查，這是不可能的事情，但是這樣的數量，請問有沒有去檢討，或是更有效的方式來防堵漏洞？"],["蘇副署長淑貞：報告委員，當然，今天因為海關人力的問題，我們一定會強化運用相關的高科技，包括剛才提到的X光，我們也請防檢署的檢疫犬隊加強嗅聞，另外我們增加開箱的比率，也提高我們第一線官員辨識X光影像的專業知能……"],["廖委員偉翔：我想要提出，用這個數據來看，漏網之魚可能非常多，你們可能要想辦法精進相關的流程，在既有的資源或是科技的應用之下，有沒有辦法更嚴格？","你們備詢的時候表示郵包查獲肉製品大概是1,000件，但僅開罰9件，比例非常低，請問原因是什麼？也想要請問……好，你先說原因是什麼？"],["蘇副署長淑貞：跟委員報告，有關海關查獲郵包，我們是移給防檢署裁罰，所以有關裁罰的部分是防檢署的權管。"],["廖委員偉翔：請防檢署回答。"],["主席：請署長。"],["杜署長麗華：報告委員，我們大概都移送裁罰，這個過程中，很多是因為冒名或是不知情，所以沒辦法追溯。"],["廖委員偉翔：所以這也是一個很大的原因，1,000件開罰9件其實是非常的低，只有千分之九，主要原因就是你說的，可能是冒名或者是雙方不知道是誰，或是第一次非故意嘛，所以現在回頭來看，首次非故意免罰是不是可能變成一個有心人可以鑽的漏洞？"],["杜署長麗華：是，這個我們也在檢討。"],["廖委員偉翔：是嘛，您也說是嘛，對不對？"],["杜署長麗華：對，我們現在也在檢討，但這會回到一個問題，假設A跟B，A如果對B有意見……"],["廖委員偉翔：故意陷害，是不是？"],["杜署長麗華：對，故意陷害，寄了100件……"],["廖委員偉翔：所以這個是要去檢討的東西，我也可以理解也許有人是刻意被陷害，所以這個部分想要請問的是，可不可以請電商平臺也負起相關的責任？譬如說主動勸阻，或是針對違規的商家進行處罰。"],["杜署長麗華：有，目前我們的電商平臺有配合我們。"],["廖委員偉翔：所以您支持這個方向？"],["杜署長麗華：我說明一下，這幾年我們一直努力跟電商平臺……就是他們要有一些自主管理機制，然後再加上配合我們做一些的相關宣導，所以在電商這個部分，我們從開罰比率來看，裁罰數已經降低了，已經有效果出來了。"],["廖委員偉翔：你說是跟他們溝通完之後，這個數量……"],["杜署長麗華：沒有，採取種種的措施。"],["廖委員偉翔：所以這個數量是有下降？"],["杜署長麗華：有下降。"],["廖委員偉翔：可是顯然還不夠嘛，1,000件裡面只有9件開罰……"],["杜署長麗華：不是，這是兩件事情。"],["廖委員偉翔：我的意思是說，因為你剛剛說你擔心有人是被陷害的，或者是在這個制度上，你擔心A、B互相不認識，這個源頭是不是有可能跟電商平臺要負起相關的責任有關？我們剛才講的是這個，你說在跟他們溝通完之後有下降……"],["杜署長麗華：有下降。"],["廖委員偉翔：這個部分是不是還可以有空間去……"],["杜署長麗華：更精進的作為……"],["廖委員偉翔：對，更精進的作為。"],["杜署長麗華：另外，目前關務署已經更改為實名制了，需要雙證件，這樣就避免了很多假冒的行為，所以現在這一段時間的違規行為也降低了，比率也降低了。"],["廖委員偉翔：降低了多少？就是成效如何？好，沒關係，顯然你們現在沒有明確的數字……"],["杜署長麗華：我們查了以後再……"],["廖委員偉翔：請查完之後給本席辦公室，好不好？"],["杜署長麗華：好。"],["廖委員偉翔：因為時間有限，我繼續往下問，接下來要請衛福部長及關務署署長。"],["主席：請部長。"],["廖委員偉翔：根據審計部的資料，其實也有許多外國地區或其他地區如大陸地區或其他國家的食品用個人自用的名義輸入，雖然沒有申請邊境查驗，但卻實際可能作為販售的用途。2023年有超過70萬人用這個方式進口食品，而且重複進口的紀錄也高達數百次，甚至每日的進口量也遠超過每日個人的合理攝取量，所以有些時候也很難解釋是自用。以113年度申請免查驗輸入食品項次的前十名來說，每人進口的報單數介於58份到3,002份，這樣是不是表示沒有有效的邊境控制機制？這一類的食品如果流入市面販售，再要透過地方去做後端市場的稽查，基本上是事倍功半，也很難回溯進貨的來源，更可能造成民眾很多無謂的困擾。所以請問部長，對於目前以個人名義輸入的制度漏洞，食藥署或是署長是否研擬相關辦法或是相關的精進措施？比如說增設進口頻率上限、個人總量管制制度，或者是跟關務署、食藥署建構一個類似通報的系統？比如將高頻輸入者列為重點稽查名單，請問這部分有沒有？"],["石部長崇良：跟委員報告，確實現在個人輸入自用的部分是有6公斤以下、1,000美元以下免食品申請輸入的規定，但是他還是要遵守邊關需要的檢查，還是不能夠夾雜違規的物品，所以這個在邊境還是需要查驗的。","至於剛剛提到的，確實，如果我們能夠進行勾稽，對一些高頻率者，為了這樣而去限縮所有國人的自用輸入，這個不需要。"],["廖委員偉翔：當然，所以我說你可能要用勾稽的方式。"],["石部長崇良：用勾稽的方式，更精準的……"],["廖委員偉翔：更精準的去查驗。"],["石部長崇良：對、對、對，這個我們來研究看看，我請署長說明。"],["姜署長至剛：謝謝委員的垂詢，有關這個部分，在非洲豬瘟之前我們就發現有這種極度異常的情況，其實這樣的規定是我們在108年4月份公告的，隔年109年7月我們就覺得有異狀，所以我們擬把上面的每日以及一天總額1,000美金等等予以修改，經過徵詢意見……"],["廖委員偉翔：你們改了會變嚴格，是不是？"],["姜署長至剛：對，我們那時候是希望能修改規定，徵求了197個意見，只有1個意見贊成，所有都反對，所以當時的研議就稍微延緩了。我想這一次是一個很好的契機，重新去檢討跟勾稽那個嚴重不合常理之下的個人輸入，實際上在後市場端……"],["廖委員偉翔：對，我覺得勾稽是要去做的……"],["姜署長至剛：我們稽查發現有很多零食的銷售都是以個人名義進來，實際上行銷售之實，我想這有一些關稅的問題，也有一些不符合個人食用的一些……違背了我們當初的美意所在，所以我們會積極地修正。以上。"],["廖委員偉翔：好，謝謝，麻煩去精進研議，也給本席辦公室一個你們最後的結論，因為這是兩個不同的方向。","再來最後一題，我要請經濟部。"],["主席：請經濟部。"],["簡組長俊良：委員好。"],["廖委員偉翔：我想要請問一下，因為根據商業刊物的統計，過去十年臺灣的小型包裹進口量從1,582萬件成長到5,847萬件，增幅高達270%，同期進口包裹金額也從221億增長到656億，累積增幅也將近快200%。換句話說，其實臺灣民眾向海外購買產品可能已經成為一個不可逆的趨勢。就我所知，目前各大平臺，尤其是大陸的各大平臺，還沒有在臺灣落地，因此對於這一次非洲豬瘟進口製品的問題，卓院長表示希望限期讓這些平臺在臺灣落地，以便行政管理跟究責，對嗎？"],["簡組長俊良：報告委員，卓院長在前天的立法院院會有這樣表示。跟委員補充，電商平臺的主管是數位部，是不是請數位部……"],["廖委員偉翔：經濟部跟數發部一起來好了，因為剛剛在跟您講一些數據，請數發部也一起。"],["主席：請數發部。"],["廖委員偉翔：所以基本上卓院長的立場是希望這些平臺儘快落地，可是以我製作的一些時間表來看，包含2008年淘寶用新加坡公司名義在臺設立分公司，2015年被投審會要求撤資。2018年淘寶在臺設立港資/英資子公司分別營運總站廣告跟臺灣站電商平臺業務，但2020年淘寶臺灣站也被經濟部稱落地臺灣違反兩岸條例，限期半年內撤資，否則連續重罰、廢止許可，這就是為什麼要請經濟部上來。淘寶臺灣站只好宣布立刻關閉。2024年底港商淘寶臺灣分公司投放雙十一的優惠廣告，經濟部也稱說違反營業登記項目、違法經營電商業務，重罰120萬，並限期半年內撤資，否則繼續重罰。就在前幾天，卓院長表示限期讓他們來落地設立公司負責，否則要強制下架。","我要說的是，究竟他們要不要落地、願不願意落地，這是他們不願意還是我們在法規上或者是在輔導上有問題？等到現在發生事情了，才特別要找他來負責，叫他趕快落地，這樣感覺是很相互矛盾的，會讓人家覺得政策好像是初一、十五不一樣，想要請問具體要怎麼幫助他們相關的落地計畫？"],["林組長青嶔：謝謝委員的垂詢，其實關於落地的部分，不管是大陸或者是世界各國要落地的話，當然就要配合我們投審會的相關機制，至於對我們國內電商造成的衝擊，我們都會一起來評估，這是第一個部分。"],["廖委員偉翔：所以我想問的是，如果沒有順利落地的話，院長口中的強制下架是什麼樣的措施？"],["林組長青嶔：我大概講一下，落不落地的重點在於管理，因為今天這個非洲豬瘟的事情真的要去做處理，要做一個管理。所以我們有想到幾個管理的方式，例如說淘寶這部分來講的話，不管是境內境外，我們會積極跟淘寶聯繫，像現在目前你看淘寶其實有做一些措施，你看到它的封面上已經有配合農業部的……"],["廖委員偉翔：這是一部分嘛。"],["林組長青嶔：對。"],["廖委員偉翔：你們是不是還有可能用什麼其他的技術手段，譬如說禁止訪問沒有許可的電商平臺？"],["林組長青嶔：有幾個，第一個就是標示，就淘寶的部分來講，如果是從臺灣來的這些IP……"],["廖委員偉翔：你用IP去封？"],["林組長青嶔：臺灣來的IP就不會去看到肉品，因為對它來講，就境外來講，這些肉品可能會賣到其他國家，但是我們國家對於非洲豬瘟這個非常關心，所以他們現在目前也有這個措施。除非是跳到別的外面去……"],["廖委員偉翔：對，所以透過VPN不就一樣嗎？"],["林組長青嶔：但是這個部分跳過去，再回來就今天的問題，這個是一連串的問題啦！但是我儘量可以做的就是這部分。另外，我們也思考另外一個可以管理的方式，我們有看到廣告的部分其實還是很重要，我們怎麼去透過廣告處理，所以我們接下來會找這些平臺，因為他們很多都會在Meta上面去PO一些廣告，我們接下來會去找他們，看如何讓這一類廣告能夠儘量減少。"],["廖委員偉翔：基本上同樣的邏輯，不只是大陸的拼多多、京東、抖音購物，可能還有韓國的酷澎，還有日本的美露可利，然後美國的亞馬遜、沃爾瑪，東南亞的Lazada，這些通通都是國外的平臺，到目前也都沒有落地，所以是用同樣的方式去跟他們談，對嗎？同樣的標準。"],["林組長青嶔：跟委員報告一下，酷澎這部分已經落地，既然有落地，像這麼大的一個韓國電商，我們也會積極的查核。"],["廖委員偉翔：也會積極查核？"],["林組長青嶔：對。"],["廖委員偉翔：我剛剛還有講到好幾個不同的平臺……"],["林組長青嶔：那好幾個平臺，如果現在短期間還沒有落地的話，我們就會儘量跟他們去做溝通，如果有一些狀況。Amazon倒是比較好一點，因為Amazon要上架的時候必須要有品牌，我們也有跟它溝通，因為它有全球開店平臺的一些活動，我們有跟它講，其實它要上架不是隨隨便便就可以上架的。"],["廖委員偉翔：這個部分的尺度還有相關的技術規範可能要拿捏，而且要儘速的跟他們溝通。謝謝。謝謝主席，謝謝召委。"],["主席：謝謝廖召委。","委員會重新公告：我們剛剛宣布是十點半休息，現在待林淑芬委員垂詢完之後，我們再休息10分鐘，抱歉。","來，請林淑芬委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":486,"meet_id":"委員會-11-4-26-7","speakers":["劉建國","盧縣一","陳昭姿","陳菁徽","邱鎮軍","王育敏","廖偉翔","林淑芬","黃秀芳","林月琴","王正旭","楊曜","葉元之","陳瑩","蘇清泉","范雲"],"page_start":373,"meetingDate":["2025-10-30"],"gazette_id":"1149002","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1149002_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請衛生福利部部長、農業部、財政部、交通部、經濟部、數位發展部、海洋委員會海巡署\n就「如何精進海外小型包裹夾帶肉品之查緝與防堵，持續強化阻絕疫情於國門，同時優化國內後\n續對於非洲豬瘟防疫」提出專題報告，並備質詢；二、繼續審查(一)行政院函請審議「職業安全\n衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(二)委員廖先翔等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十五條條文修\n正草案」案、(三)委員牛煦庭等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十九條條文修正草案」案、(四)\n委員李昆澤等26人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十九條及第四十九條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員\n魯明哲等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十條條文修正草案」案、(六)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「職\n業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(七)委員林淑芬等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十三條\n條文修正草案」案、(八)委員楊曜等22人擬具「職業安全衛生法第六條條文修正草案」案、(九)\n委員李昆澤等27 人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、( 十) 委員黃秀芳等21 人擬具\n「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十一)委員翁曉玲等23人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三\n十五條、第三十九條及第四十九條條文修正草案」案、(十二)委員范雲等18人擬具「職業安全衛\n生法部分條文修正草案」案、( 十三) 委員劉建國等17 人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草\n案」案、(十四)委員吳琪銘等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第六條條文修正草案」案、(十五)委員\n沈發惠等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十六)委員王育敏等19人擬具「職\n業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十七)委員王育敏等25人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文\n修正草案」案、(十八)委員郭國文等17人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十九)\n委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四條條文修正草案」案、(二十)委員郭昱晴等17人擬\n具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(二十一)委員羅廷瑋等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法\n部分條文修正草案」案；三、審查(一)委員王正旭等23人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草\n案」案、(二)委員吳沛憶等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(三)委員莊瑞雄\n等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法第九條條文修正草案」案、(四)委員林月琴等21人擬具「職業安全\n衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、 ( 五) 委員林淑芬等21 人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草\n案」案、(六)委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(七)委員徐富癸\n等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(八)委員黃捷等16人擬具「職業安全衛生\n法部分條文修正草案」案、( 九) 委員蔡易餘等17 人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」\n案、(十)委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案","agenda_id":"1149002_00002"}}}