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00:01:16,653\n各位報告因為其實我想在從國際貨幣的市佔率來看的話我覺得我們在台幣穩定幣我們確實必須非常務實的說我們確實在國際的貨幣上面跟美元跟日元或是跟其他的歐元還是有段距離所以我們在這部分我們現在在規劃還是在建制度\n\n4\n00:01:17,934 --> 00:01:30,744\n我們現在沒有針對這個做一個未來的預想好謝謝主委不過我想接下來還是希望政府要確立一定的目標目標可以不要太高遠但是可以務實這樣才能夠讓我們相關的執法有夠連動\n\n5\n00:01:34,767 --> 00:02:03,686\n然后呢在目标明确的情况之下我们才能够设计更多的配套我觉得是可以大胆的来设立目标那另外呢也想请教一下因为现在这个行政院一直还没有把草案的版本送进来有一些说法呢说这个央行是不是有一些顾虑但是呢我们之前又问了央行总裁他说我们就跟这个彭主委都有很好的互动不过我还是要在这里给央行一个机会啦就是我们理解其实稳定币\n\n6\n00:02:04,426 --> 00:02:30,996\n有可能一旦打通了這個台幣穩定幣跟美元穩定幣的流通很可能會影響到這個外匯的量體那台灣我們算是一個外匯管制的一個狀態我想是不是給央行一個機會你們有沒有什麼樣的顧慮有沒有什麼concern可不可以提出來因為其實業界現在很擔心你如果說你有擔憂所以想要晚一點大家也就接受你如果覺得沒有擔憂那我們就快一點\n\n7\n00:02:31,596 --> 00:02:50,972\n其實在這個薛丁格的狀態是大家最擔心的因為有些產業會提前投入結果到最後門又沒有開這其實會造成產業資源的浪費央行這邊副總裁能不能稍微提一下有沒有顧慮哪些顧慮也許就提出來嘛我們也許就了解一下讓產業可以找一點因應這樣子\n\n8\n00:02:52,473 --> 00:02:58,037\n其實我們跟金管會是密切合作都支持這樣的穩定幣的推動但即使沒有穩定幣央行目前就跨境移動這個部分我們有一些要申報資料\n\n9\n00:03:09,867 --> 00:03:25,754\n照外匯管理這個做所以將來如果的確有譬如說類似美元穩定幣這個部分我們還是會依照現在的規則不變那我們局長大概還有一些補充意見\n\n10\n00:03:27,446 --> 00:03:43,273\n我想我們在跟金管溝通工作都很順暢啦所以我們的意見都有提供給他們的那我想主要是因為除了所謂的央行的業務之外還有洗錢房子還有這些詐騙的案子這些我覺得那個後續都是在行政委裡面做討論的所以可能有一段時間需要做這樣的一個溝通\n\n11\n00:03:44,113 --> 00:04:00,512\n好我想這個更多的訊息找一點多一點的跟我們的業界來溝通不要有這種隱含的顧慮我想這樣也不好其實大家都會願意來配合央行跟金管會這邊那我想外匯的部分我也表達一下從技術的角度來看其實這個所謂的貨幣的交換\n\n12\n00:04:03,235 --> 00:04:26,462\n有穩定幣的形式存在反而它的帳本是更清晰更清楚更容易追溯的我認為甚至有可能對於外匯的適度管制上面不見得比較差反而比較好這一點跟各位交換一下意見那也希望我們能夠用創新的思維來擁抱這些新的科技跟技術那另外還有一點就是這個我們這個外匯剛剛已經提過了\n\n13\n00:04:28,503 --> 00:04:49,073\n另外一個是我們關於穩定幣的發行其實有提到在境外發行的穩定幣要取得主管機關的同意其實我們有看到日本也是用類似的做法可是我們也思考到像日本的人口1.24億其實台灣的市場也相對的小\n\n14\n00:04:49,733 --> 00:05:18,036\n那你說到時候國外已經流通的USDTUSDC是不是又要請他們的發行商又要是不是來落地又要來驗資然後又要主管機關許可這個過程可能會很繁複別人也不一定第一時間把台灣當作第一優先的市場到時候又變成哇這些東西還沒有許可大家都還在流通人人違法很可能還會出現假USDT假USDC這個部分主委有沒有什麼樣的想法\n\n15\n00:05:18,456 --> 00:05:43,054\n是不是能夠有一些更加彈性的機制在執法裡面來設立這樣謝謝謝謝委員剛剛提到那個法條母法的那個條文裡面確實提到因為我們發行穩定幣也是一個監理主權的象徵所以我們今天既然我們對國人發行要同意那當然不可能對外國人沒有做這個要求我想我們會按照考慮到務實實用的角度來思考這個問題\n\n16\n00:05:45,316 --> 00:05:57,649\n這不會是個障礙我們只要完全大家是站在一個公平一致的基礎上來做這件事主席我最後爭取幾秒鐘的時間想跟央行還有主委這邊分享現在這個國家貨幣風起雲湧\n\n17\n00:06:01,333 --> 00:06:24,594\n這個全球的政府都在想要持有比特幣作為一個風險的對沖那我們現在單押在單一貨幣的量體有點太高了這很可能會導致我們在技術上變成所謂的singlepointoffailure這個風險會太高那其實也有一些國家比特幣持有的量很少也沒有關係開始做就好\n\n18\n00:06:25,114 --> 00:06:53,645\n那加上比特幣的來源不一定要購買有的國家也是從這個查獲不法所得他如果沒有要返還受害者的一個狀態也可以直接就變成國家的儲備之一我也希望這個央行跟金管會這邊有沒有機會未來能不能就這個議題也稍微討論一下簡單的答覆我們會遵照委員的指示會繼續去研究\n\n19\n00:06:54,315 --> 00:06:56,561\n好謝謝主席謝謝主委謝謝副總裁謝謝各位議員接下來我們請吳宗憲委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9\t3633\t我們請彭主委 朱副總裁謝謝主委還有央行我想在此先感謝這邊都對台幣穩定幣表達開放支持 審慎友好尤其彭主委勇於認識對於這樣的一個新科技跟新的產業審慎友好我們要再次感謝\n25754\t54373\t今天想要問一下目前我們鄰近的幾個國家日本 新加坡 韓國都有自身的穩定幣或即將推出JPYC更是在10月27號可以說是正式推出他們有瞄準目標三年內流通市值要達10兆日元大概650億美元想請教一下主委對於我們台幣穩定幣有沒有一個具體的目標預計多少年內要到達多少市值有沒有一個相關的想法\n55954\t76653\t各位報告因為其實我想在從國際貨幣的市佔率來看的話我覺得我們在台幣穩定幣我們確實必須非常務實的說我們確實在國際的貨幣上面跟美元跟日元或是跟其他的歐元還是有段距離所以我們在這部分我們現在在規劃還是在建制度\n77934\t90744\t我們現在沒有針對這個做一個未來的預想好 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韓國都有自身的穩定幣或即將推出JPYC更是在10月27號可以說是正式推出他們有瞄準目標三年內流通市值要達10兆日元大概650億美元想請教一下主委對於我們台幣穩定幣有沒有一個具體的目標預計多少年內要到達多少市值有沒有一個相關的想法\n各位報告因為其實我想在從國際貨幣的市佔率來看的話我覺得我們在台幣穩定幣我們確實必須非常務實的說我們確實在國際的貨幣上面跟美元跟日元或是跟其他的歐元還是有段距離所以我們在這部分我們現在在規劃還是在建制度\n我們現在沒有針對這個做一個未來的預想好 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