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00:00:40,036\n也跟召委報告有昨天有接獲到署長這樣的狀況我就特別那個准許也說請副署長一定要陪同那今天如果說有什麼真的有問題的部分也請副署長這邊謝謝召委召委的善良大家都很肯定謝謝好次長跟副署長我們看\n\n3\n00:00:41,927 --> 00:00:56,879\n來看台灣的觀光其實是已經陷入困境當然我們今年的國際旅客的目標是已經下修了900萬但是看到今年1至7月大概只有478萬\n\n4\n00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:25,997\n如果以這樣的一個趨勢來看今年可能大概是830萬到840萬之間當然我也知道觀光署有在全力的衝刺也希望你們能夠達成這個低標但是我們看到我們的觀光旅遊其實有三大問題第一個問題就是我們整體的國際觀光它已經落後國際的\n\n5\n00:01:28,254 --> 00:01:45,360\n平均的一个标准我们是落后的第二个我们已经连续两年无法达成下修的一个目标说起来也很尴尬这两年的所谓的高标或是低标\n\n6\n00:01:46,516 --> 00:02:13,687\n都是由我跟部長在委員會所討論出來的但是都沒有辦法達成第三個問題他所展現的這已經不是國際疫情的衝擊也不是所謂匯率的問題這已經是台灣觀光結構出現了危機部長副所長次長那我們來討論一下我們台灣\n\n7\n00:02:16,584 --> 00:02:19,978\n的觀光旅遊陷入什麼困境有什麼問題來說一下\n\n8\n00:02:22,642 --> 00:02:46,848\n稍微其實目前觀光的問題大概剛剛陳署長也有稍微說明一個是國人習慣去國外旅遊因為現在航網跟航線也真的很方便像我們到日本一周大概有800多個航次那費用也低那第二個是國內的環境跟這個旅宿的費用也相對高\n\n9\n00:02:47,888 --> 00:03:10,234\n第三個是我們國內的景點有一些也需要推陳出新市長你所談的都是相關比較知微莫解的一些問題那我們主要來看我們台灣觀光陷入的困境到底是什麼我們的觀光景點第一個觀光景點的同質性高\n\n10\n00:03:11,530 --> 00:03:20,333\n我們沒有辦法去建立區域旅遊品牌的這樣的一個形象都是個別的熱門的一個觀光景點而已\n\n11\n00:03:20,970 --> 00:03:42,237\n第二我們相關的資訊的禁用性跟交通系統的整合一直是我在交通委員會啊督促交通部及觀光署要去做改善也沒有做到就是說我們的資訊禁用性以及相關的交通系統的整合做的不好讓旅客啊\n\n12\n00:03:43,564 --> 00:04:11,818\n只能在北北基桃这样的一个地方来旅游如果说他们要去北北基桃以外地区旅游相关的资讯跟相关的交通无法配合另外第三就是我们的观光区过度的集中那这些观光区过度的集中它形成一个热门的观光的景点之后导致\n\n13\n00:04:12,912 --> 00:04:36,133\n它的品質下滑性價比低那也就是說我們國際旅客比較少人知道比較沒有知名度的觀光區啊它沒有辦法得到適當的一個曝光行銷與價值開發世界各國都已經在多元化的這樣的一個\n\n14\n00:04:37,478 --> 00:04:58,214\n旅遊啦我們看到日本看到韓國世界各國主要都已經多元化二線三線的城市我們現在連主要的這樣的一個相關的二線三線都毫無辦法去建立另外就是提到我們觀光的人力的缺口\n\n15\n00:04:59,796 --> 00:05:09,405\n訓練也不足然後產業升級跟不上國際旅遊的一個服務的標準跟趨勢來我請黃副署長來你也來簡單說明一下\n\n16\n00:05:16,004 --> 00:05:33,104\n首先委員提的問題的部分我們事實上包括所謂的人過度集中的部分我們是利用現在的數位化跟智慧化希望去掌握人流讓人不要過度集中去影響到旅遊的品質我想這部分我們是今年度列為重點那交通整合部分我們有推\n\n17\n00:05:33,724 --> 00:06:02,166\n相關的一個交通卡我們包括所謂的台鐵高鐵還有我們的台灣好行台灣官邦的一個整合那因為目前是初始階段後續我們也希望藉由各個景區的這些旅行店的一個整合我想這部分也有類似就是去學習日本的一些所謂的一卡的部分來方便所謂不管是自由行旅客我想這部分我們會持續去努力那區域品牌的部分事實上我們有跟地方政府在配合\n\n18\n00:06:03,126 --> 00:06:18,074\n針對於地方政府提供的相關建設計畫我想我們的旅客啊來的已經是下降復甦的慢那我看到我們相關的這些國際旅遊啊\n\n19\n00:06:19,428 --> 00:06:46,567\n我們看到日本已經在討論觀光公害的這樣一個議題當然我們沒有觀光公害這樣的一個問題但是我們還是有旅客過度集中某幾個熱門景點的這樣一個問題日本的觀光公害現象就是旅客大量的湧入然後造成環境的複合然後服務就會產生品質低落這樣一個問題那其實它會形成一個惡性的循環\n\n20\n00:06:47,668 --> 00:06:53,158\n就是說大量旅客品質惡化然後就有負面的評價也會造成\n\n21\n00:06:54,281 --> 00:07:20,431\n旅客嚴重的這種降低重訪的這樣一個意願那觀光形象也會受到損害旅客流失品質再進一步的這樣一個惡化因為時間的關係我也簡單的說明我們來參考國際的經驗日本的經驗他們有相關應對的策略第一個區域觀光來做分流進行了品牌來\n\n22\n00:07:21,872 --> 00:07:48,921\n建立他們的品牌之後來進行相關的客群的分流人家已經做到這個地步已經在做客群的分流第二觀光景點的一個管制就是說採取預約制或是總量管制那也要進行差異化的補助差異化的補助我認為是一個很值得參考的一個重點就是說我們來根據區域的特性來進行補助那鼓勵旅客\n\n23\n00:07:50,092 --> 00:07:59,819\n區道比較有獨特性或是比較沒有知名度但是他有潛力發展的這些景點我們來進行差異化補助但是我們現在補助都不\n\n24\n00:08:00,816 --> 00:08:26,716\n都跟日本的做法不一樣我們都是全面的這樣平均的補助這樣我認為是會有問題的那或者是專案的補助專案的補助我們來鼓勵區域的團體業者推出具有這種獨特性的觀光推廣的一些發展計畫每岸有五千萬的日幣大概就台幣一千萬至一千三百萬左右\n\n25\n00:08:27,617 --> 00:08:55,863\n更重要有一個永續的認證就是推動JSTST的這樣的一個標準就是日本的一個永續觀光的一個認證的一個標準那強化他們相關人員的培訓以及景區的環境永續那我也再借用最後一點時間我們來看韓國的做法韓國的做法他們召開第十屆國家旅遊的戰略會議\n\n26\n00:08:57,463 --> 00:09:19,500\n已經提升到旅遊的戰略會議呢第一個首爾同級的這樣一個新的旅遊中心編列預算他們還要再開發一個新的旅遊中心出來一個新的旅遊中心出來他們也在推動次級的觀光圈呢在首爾的周邊打造這種次級的觀光圈來做分流\n\n27\n00:09:20,595 --> 00:09:39,455\n第三就是區域的品牌補助兼投入預算來支持地方政府建立區域旅遊的品牌這也都是值得我們借鏡我們一直都是在台北101然後萬華士林夜市\n\n28\n00:09:41,721 --> 00:10:00,489\n不然就是日月潭阿里山現在太魯閣因為地震台灣的關係也受到衝擊你看日本韓國旅客就來了降低了非常的多另外就是愛鄉的這種愛鄉券的優惠就是說離島的旅遊退還50%的旅費同步推出連續的優惠券\n\n29\n00:10:07,314 --> 00:10:19,046\n連續的優惠券這個也是值得我們借鏡啊不然我們的旅遊現在大概都是一日性的這種住宿率也沒有成長這\n\n30\n00:10:22,881 --> 00:10:48,811\n這種連宿的優惠券島嶼的住宿的優惠券都值得我們去做參考好那其實大家對觀光署要求都非常的嚴格那也希望你們要達成這種推動旅遊的這樣一個基本的目標那也請交通部嚴加督促是那陳署長也因為工作非常的繁重\n\n31\n00:10:49,851 --> 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副所長 次長那我們來討論一下我們台灣\n的觀光旅遊陷入什麼困境有什麼問題來說一下\n稍微 其實目前觀光的問題大概剛剛陳署長也有稍微說明一個是國人習慣去國外旅遊因為現在航網跟航線也真的很方便像我們到日本一周大概有800多個航次那費用也低那第二個是國內的環境跟這個旅宿的費用也相對高\n第三個是我們國內的景點有一些也需要推陳出新市長你所談的都是相關比較知微莫解的一些問題那我們主要來看我們台灣觀光陷入的困境到底是什麼我們的觀光景點第一個觀光景點的同質性高\n我們沒有辦法去建立區域旅遊品牌的這樣的一個形象都是個別的熱門的一個觀光景點而已\n第二我們相關的資訊的禁用性跟交通系統的整合一直是我在交通委員會啊督促交通部及觀光署要去做改善也沒有做到就是說我們的資訊禁用性以及相關的交通系統的整合做的不好讓旅客啊\n只能在北北基桃这样的一个地方来旅游如果说他们要去北北基桃以外地区旅游相关的资讯跟相关的交通无法配合另外第三就是我们的观光区过度的集中那这些观光区过度的集中它形成一个热门的观光的景点之后导致\n它的品質下滑 性價比低那也就是說我們國際旅客比較少人知道比較沒有知名度的觀光區啊它沒有辦法得到適當的一個曝光行銷與價值開發世界各國都已經在多元化的這樣的一個\n旅遊啦我們看到日本看到韓國世界各國主要都已經多元化二線三線的城市我們現在連主要的這樣的一個相關的二線三線都毫無辦法去建立另外就是提到我們觀光的人力的缺口\n訓練也不足然後產業升級跟不上國際旅遊的一個服務的標準跟趨勢來我請黃副署長來你也來簡單說明一下\n首先委員提的問題的部分我們事實上包括所謂的人過度集中的部分我們是利用現在的數位化跟智慧化希望去掌握人流讓人不要過度集中去影響到旅遊的品質我想這部分我們是今年度列為重點那交通整合部分我們有推\n相關的一個交通卡我們包括所謂的台鐵高鐵還有我們的台灣好行台灣官邦的一個整合那因為目前是初始階段後續我們也希望藉由各個景區的這些旅行店的一個整合我想這部分也有類似就是去學習日本的一些所謂的一卡的部分來方便所謂不管是自由行旅客我想這部分我們會持續去努力那區域品牌的部分事實上我們有跟地方政府在配合\n針對於地方政府提供的相關建設計畫我想我們的旅客啊來的已經是下降復甦的慢那我看到我們相關的這些國際旅遊啊\n我們看到日本已經在討論觀光公害的這樣一個議題當然我們沒有觀光公害這樣的一個問題但是我們還是有旅客過度集中某幾個熱門景點的這樣一個問題日本的觀光公害現象就是旅客大量的湧入然後造成環境的複合然後服務就會產生品質低落這樣一個問題那其實它會形成一個惡性的循環\n就是說大量旅客品質惡化然後就有負面的評價也會造成\n旅客嚴重的這種降低重訪的這樣一個意願那觀光形象也會受到損害旅客流失品質再進一步的這樣一個惡化因為時間的關係我也簡單的說明我們來參考國際的經驗日本的經驗他們有相關應對的策略第一個區域觀光來做分流進行了品牌來\n建立他們的品牌之後來進行相關的客群的分流人家已經做到這個地步已經在做客群的分流第二觀光景點的一個管制就是說採取預約制或是總量管制那也要進行差異化的補助差異化的補助我認為是一個很值得參考的一個重點就是說我們來根據區域的特性來進行補助那鼓勵旅客\n區道比較有獨特性或是比較沒有知名度但是他有潛力發展的這些景點我們來進行差異化補助但是我們現在補助都不\n都跟日本的做法不一樣我們都是全面的這樣平均的補助這樣我認為是會有問題的那或者是專案的補助專案的補助我們來鼓勵區域的團體業者推出具有這種獨特性的觀光推廣的一些發展計畫每岸有五千萬的日幣大概就台幣一千萬至一千三百萬左右\n更重要有一個永續的認證就是推動JSTST的這樣的一個標準就是日本的一個永續觀光的一個認證的一個標準那強化他們相關人員的培訓以及景區的環境永續那我也再借用最後一點時間我們來看韓國的做法韓國的做法他們召開第十屆國家旅遊的戰略會議\n已經提升到旅遊的戰略會議呢第一個首爾同級的這樣一個新的旅遊中心編列預算他們還要再開發一個新的旅遊中心出來一個新的旅遊中心出來他們也在推動次級的觀光圈呢在首爾的周邊打造這種次級的觀光圈來做分流\n第三就是區域的品牌補助兼投入預算來支持地方政府建立區域旅遊的品牌這也都是值得我們借鏡我們一直都是在台北101然後萬華士林夜市\n不然就是日月潭阿里山現在太魯閣因為地震台灣的關係也受到衝擊你看日本韓國旅客就來了降低了非常的多另外就是愛鄉的這種愛鄉券的優惠就是說離島的旅遊退還50%的旅費同步推出連續的優惠券\n連續的優惠券這個也是值得我們借鏡啊不然我們的旅遊現在大概都是一日性的這種住宿率也沒有成長這\n這種連宿的優惠券島嶼的住宿的優惠券都值得我們去做參考好那其實大家對觀光署要求都非常的嚴格那也希望你們要達成這種推動旅遊的這樣一個基本的目標那也請交通部嚴加督促是那陳署長也因為工作非常的繁重\n但是也希望你自己要保重身體你看你們觀光署其他的同仁氣色都非常好你自己要多保重謝謝謝謝委員那您的這個日本跟韓國的資訊我們會帶回來參考如果有機會我們再跟您報告目前觀光署的做法謝謝謝謝謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.770 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03:42.237\n第二我們相關的資訊的禁用性跟交通系統的整合一直是我在交通委員會啊督促交通部及觀光署要去做改善也沒有做到就是說我們的資訊禁用性以及相關的交通系統的整合做的不好讓旅客啊\n\n03:43.564 --> 04:11.818\n只能在北北基桃这样的一个地方来旅游如果说他们要去北北基桃以外地区旅游相关的资讯跟相关的交通无法配合另外第三就是我们的观光区过度的集中那这些观光区过度的集中它形成一个热门的观光的景点之后导致\n\n04:12.912 --> 04:36.133\n它的品質下滑性價比低那也就是說我們國際旅客比較少人知道比較沒有知名度的觀光區啊它沒有辦法得到適當的一個曝光行銷與價值開發世界各國都已經在多元化的這樣的一個\n\n04:37.478 --> 04:58.214\n旅遊啦我們看到日本看到韓國世界各國主要都已經多元化二線三線的城市我們現在連主要的這樣的一個相關的二線三線都毫無辦法去建立另外就是提到我們觀光的人力的缺口\n\n04:59.796 --> 05:09.405\n訓練也不足然後產業升級跟不上國際旅遊的一個服務的標準跟趨勢來我請黃副署長來你也來簡單說明一下\n\n05:16.004 --> 05:33.104\n首先委員提的問題的部分我們事實上包括所謂的人過度集中的部分我們是利用現在的數位化跟智慧化希望去掌握人流讓人不要過度集中去影響到旅遊的品質我想這部分我們是今年度列為重點那交通整合部分我們有推\n\n05:33.724 --> 06:02.166\n相關的一個交通卡我們包括所謂的台鐵高鐵還有我們的台灣好行台灣官邦的一個整合那因為目前是初始階段後續我們也希望藉由各個景區的這些旅行店的一個整合我想這部分也有類似就是去學習日本的一些所謂的一卡的部分來方便所謂不管是自由行旅客我想這部分我們會持續去努力那區域品牌的部分事實上我們有跟地方政府在配合\n\n06:03.126 --> 06:18.074\n針對於地方政府提供的相關建設計畫我想我們的旅客啊來的已經是下降復甦的慢那我看到我們相關的這些國際旅遊啊\n\n06:19.428 --> 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