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00:03:28,828\n這個我有跟部長跟次長都有提過那這個部分因為都在進行中這個部分因為它如果是擴大範圍市社跟地方政府跟原民會還有原民部落同意的行政程序所以目前還在持續會診中我希望說那個署長跟次長就是能夠盡量加強\n\n11\n00:03:30,089 --> 00:03:37,834\n因為現在的旅遊現在已經慢慢的自由行很多了尤其年輕的這一代他到世界各國玩他都是自由行\n\n12\n00:03:39,006 --> 00:04:02,900\n那自由行事實上你應該提供他更多的不同的套裝的行程然後讓他去選擇所以你那個套裝行程要大當然他要選擇裡面幾個點他們年輕人自己會去做決定所以就說整個茂林國家化能區我是認為說我們都侷限在以茂林為主其實這個比較狹隘那他跟大清美地區都是一個生活圈\n\n13\n00:04:03,860 --> 00:04:27,736\n你可以看到寶萊溫泉紫斑蝶還有客家文化包括我們本來的原住民文化茂林那邊都是再加上其實我們很多宗教生地也都在那一帶所以如果說把這個茂林國家混血區擴大範圍包括大旗美而且其實我還有一個願望其實我們經常到日本去幹嘛泡溫泉\n\n14\n00:04:29,858 --> 00:04:40,583\n那如果說台灣外國旅客到台灣來大部分他就是到北投泡溫泉事實上你到南部來你就來我茂林寶來泡溫泉\n\n15\n00:04:41,912 --> 00:05:00,165\n用這樣子一個大點因為人家出去就是吃喝玩樂嘛你有一個點吸引人家比如說我現在溫泉的整個格局需要提高以溫泉當作一個大的點然後其他的我們有很多套裝的再把它相加在一起\n\n16\n00:05:01,045 --> 00:05:20,734\n事實上這個來推動我整個茂林大旗美地區的國家風景區我覺得這個概念應該是對於茂林本身也好對於大旗美地區會有蠻大的幫助那這個部分署長應該都同意嘛對不對那目前不知道交通部的意見怎麼樣\n\n17\n00:05:23,253 --> 00:05:41,732\n目前因為還在這個應該是原民部落還在討論所以程序上如果這邊的特色夠我們是支持現在就是說把那個該有的協調跟協商溝通程序完成現在是跟原民部落他們意見還不一樣\n\n18\n00:05:49,013 --> 00:06:12,125\n我請我們景區組組長來補充各位報告因為我們要成立國家風景區我們是要取得部落的會議同意我們才能夠進行去做這個劃設的動作所以必須要部落會議同意所以我們在持續情報管處跟園民會還有當地的部落持續溝通中OK好那你們盡量溝通因為其實這對部落一定更好啦\n\n19\n00:06:12,765 --> 00:06:36,563\n我們整個把人潮帶進來這部落應該會有蠻大的幫助所以我等一下會跟那個主委現在在我辦公室等一下我會再跟他談那這個部分就希望說我們這個公共署交通部一起能夠幫忙更積極的推動好剩下一分鐘的時間我想我們再看一下現在整個\n\n20\n00:06:38,771 --> 00:07:01,326\n我們華山有區域觀光市集然後還有國際旅展這個我希望說將來有機會多到高雄這個我就不談太深下次再講那我要談的就是說其實你可以看到南台灣南高屏的區域經濟其實將來你們在做思考的時候剛剛我為什麼要提醒說大家盡量去整合思考\n\n21\n00:07:02,346 --> 00:07:17,881\n茂林要去整合跟我大西美事實上高雄跟南高坪事實上我們可以一起來做思考因為一個區域經濟大概500萬人口左右那我們這三個城市加起來正好500多萬所以這是一個相當\n\n22\n00:07:19,611 --> 00:07:42,477\n方便的思考我舉那個日本週郵券跟那個韓國的轉轉卡現在很多年輕人他們都這麼玩他就是我有一個好玩卡我有一個轉轉卡我就是可以選幾個店選幾個社區開五個集所以我簡單的報告就是說你可以看到日韓的好玩卡大阪週郵券兩天清一\n\n23\n00:07:44,858 --> 00:08:09,478\n首爾轉轉卡兩天清五我們高雄好玩卡呢三天清十美國本來九一九北北機它比較貴一點兩天一千九那我現在提出個具體的整理就是說是不是公關署我們規劃一個南台灣好玩卡南高屏好玩卡就是把這個串連在一起你如果去澳洲玩那有的人不知道他的習慣只要去樂區就去花錢你知道嗎\n\n24\n00:08:10,158 --> 00:08:27,727\n那你用這一個點事實上世界國外旅客他至少來我們會有幾個點讓他去做選擇也告訴他我這裡的特色是什麼所以我希望說我們公共署是不是著手來規劃一個類似北北基好玩卡我要規劃一個南高屏南台灣好玩卡這樣OK嗎\n\n25\n00:08:29,028 --> 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其實我們也爭取很久啦那旅宿業其實也真的是救無綱啦因為其實它真的是蠻辛苦的所以一直就是包括飯店啦包括他們的旅遊住宿費用降不下來其實跟缺工也有很大的關聯所以這個其實是一個福音那我想請教一下現在旅宿的缺口大概有多少人\n那未來是否能夠有效改善國旅高昂費用的狀況我們在前年調查的時候是六千六那今年度也正在重新調查所以之前的缺口有六千多人那我們現在預計進來有多少人\n開放外籍的部分就是我們中階技術人力是每開放一個1比1的但是國內的員工要先提高最低薪資的比如說裡面員工薪資最低的就給他加2000加2000就可以多一個外籍移工進來所以有沒有總額的限制\n那是每一家申請公司的10%每一家的10%就是每個旅宿業他員工的10%總員工的10%所以總數應該沒有管制是回到申請單位的限制\n總數沒有限制我們希望說因為台灣的旅遊整體來講真的是旅宿業的費用真的是跟國外世界比較起來是偏高所以這個我希望公共署能夠重視整體來做一個規劃旅宿業之外就是包括這個\n我也私底下跟署長談過很多次就是這個茂林國家風險區納入大清美地區這個部分我不知道部長跟次長知道了嗎次長\n這個我有跟部長跟次長都有提過那這個部分因為都在進行中這個部分因為它如果是擴大範圍市社跟地方政府跟原民會還有原民部落同意的行政程序所以目前還在持續會診中我希望說那個署長跟次長就是能夠盡量加強\n因為現在的旅遊現在已經慢慢的自由行很多了尤其年輕的這一代他到世界各國玩他都是自由行\n那自由行事實上你應該提供他更多的不同的套裝的行程然後讓他去選擇所以你那個套裝行程要大當然他要選擇裡面幾個點他們年輕人自己會去做決定所以就說整個茂林國家化能區我是認為說我們都侷限在以茂林為主其實這個比較狹隘那他跟大清美地區都是一個生活圈\n你可以看到寶萊溫泉 紫斑蝶還有客家文化包括我們本來的原住民文化茂林那邊都是再加上其實我們很多宗教生地也都在那一帶所以如果說把這個茂林國家混血區擴大範圍包括大旗美而且其實我還有一個願望其實我們經常到日本去幹嘛泡溫泉\n那如果說台灣外國旅客到台灣來大部分他就是到北投泡溫泉事實上你到南部來你就來我茂林寶來泡溫泉\n用這樣子一個大點因為人家出去就是吃喝玩樂嘛你有一個點吸引人家比如說我現在溫泉的整個格局需要提高以溫泉當作一個大的點然後其他的我們有很多套裝的再把它相加在一起\n事實上這個來推動我整個茂林大旗美地區的國家風景區我覺得這個概念應該是對於茂林本身也好對於大旗美地區會有蠻大的幫助那這個部分署長應該都同意嘛對不對那目前不知道交通部的意見怎麼樣\n目前因為還在這個應該是原民部落還在討論所以程序上如果這邊的特色夠我們是支持現在就是說把那個該有的協調跟協商溝通程序完成現在是跟原民部落他們意見還不一樣\n我請我們景區組組長來補充 各位報告因為我們要成立國家風景區我們是要取得部落的會議同意我們才能夠進行去做這個劃設的動作所以必須要部落會議同意所以我們在持續情報管處跟園民會還有當地的部落持續溝通中OK好那你們盡量溝通因為其實這對部落一定更好啦\n我們整個把人潮帶進來這部落應該會有蠻大的幫助所以我等一下會跟那個主委現在在我辦公室等一下我會再跟他談那這個部分就希望說我們這個公共署交通部一起能夠幫忙更積極的推動好 剩下一分鐘的時間我想我們再看一下現在整個\n我們華山有區域觀光市集然後還有國際旅展這個我希望說將來有機會多到高雄這個我就不談太深下次再講那我要談的就是說其實你可以看到南台灣南高屏的區域經濟其實將來你們在做思考的時候剛剛我為什麼要提醒說大家盡量去整合思考\n茂林要去整合跟我大西美事實上高雄跟南高坪事實上我們可以一起來做思考因為一個區域經濟大概500萬人口左右那我們這三個城市加起來正好500多萬所以這是一個相當\n方便的思考我舉那個日本週郵券跟那個韓國的轉轉卡現在很多年輕人他們都這麼玩他就是我有一個好玩卡我有一個轉轉卡我就是可以選幾個店選幾個社區開五個集所以我簡單的報告就是說你可以看到日韓的好玩卡大阪週郵券兩天清一\n首爾轉轉卡 兩天清五我們高雄好玩卡呢 三天清十 美國本來九一九北北機 它比較貴一點 兩天一千九那我現在提出個具體的整理就是說 是不是公關署我們規劃一個南台灣好玩卡 南高屏好玩卡就是把這個串連在一起你如果去澳洲玩那有的人不知道他的習慣 只要去樂區就去花錢你知道嗎\n那你用這一個點事實上世界國外旅客他至少來我們會有幾個點讓他去做選擇也告訴他我這裡的特色是什麼所以我希望說我們公共署是不是著手來規劃一個類似北北基好玩卡我要規劃一個南高屏南台灣好玩卡這樣OK嗎\n好 我們來輔導跟協助跟幾個地方政府一起來合作因為這個需要中央的資源挹注啦因為你看先是一般的 你說高雄市就不見了我們台南市的事情 我們屏東關的事情都不好意思啦當然大家互相合作需要由中央來號召 來統合 或者是來召集這樣子會把這個南高屏的區域經濟生活圈那包括旅遊經濟 觀光經濟這個可以一起來做思考\n好所以這個也拜託公關公署可以在這一方面著手進行好OK謝謝好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.362 --> 00:05.185\n先主席我們先請觀光署陳書長陳書長請很好\n\n00:21.114 --> 00:48.030\n蘇長好次長您就坐著一起聽因為我在想說觀光其實將來應該是那個格局要不斷的提升科技經濟觀光經濟其實未來都是台灣整體要走的道路那我先請教一下之前那個勞動部有已經決定要開放旅宿移工了嗎\n\n00:50.107 --> 00:51.395\n是今天新聞出了\n\n00:51.724 --> 01:20.560\n今天新聞出來其實我們也爭取很久啦那旅宿業其實也真的是救無綱啦因為其實它真的是蠻辛苦的所以一直就是包括飯店啦包括他們的旅遊住宿費用降不下來其實跟缺工也有很大的關聯所以這個其實是一個福音那我想請教一下現在旅宿的缺口大概有多少人\n\n01:21.300 --> 01:41.773\n那未來是否能夠有效改善國旅高昂費用的狀況我們在前年調查的時候是六千六那今年度也正在重新調查所以之前的缺口有六千多人那我們現在預計進來有多少人\n\n01:50.464 --> 02:12.046\n開放外籍的部分就是我們中階技術人力是每開放一個1比1的但是國內的員工要先提高最低薪資的比如說裡面員工薪資最低的就給他加2000加2000就可以多一個外籍移工進來所以有沒有總額的限制\n\n02:14.381 --> 02:28.641\n那是每一家申請公司的10%每一家的10%就是每個旅宿業他員工的10%總員工的10%所以總數應該沒有管制是回到申請單位的限制\n\n02:29.845 --> 02:49.778\n總數沒有限制我們希望說因為台灣的旅遊整體來講真的是旅宿業的費用真的是跟國外世界比較起來是偏高所以這個我希望公共署能夠重視整體來做一個規劃旅宿業之外就是包括這個\n\n02:51.089 --> 03:05.545\n我也私底下跟署長談過很多次就是這個茂林國家風險區納入大清美地區這個部分我不知道部長跟次長知道了嗎次長\n\n03:08.372 --> 03:28.828\n這個我有跟部長跟次長都有提過那這個部分因為都在進行中這個部分因為它如果是擴大範圍市社跟地方政府跟原民會還有原民部落同意的行政程序所以目前還在持續會診中我希望說那個署長跟次長就是能夠盡量加強\n\n03:30.089 --> 03:37.834\n因為現在的旅遊現在已經慢慢的自由行很多了尤其年輕的這一代他到世界各國玩他都是自由行\n\n03:39.006 --> 04:02.900\n那自由行事實上你應該提供他更多的不同的套裝的行程然後讓他去選擇所以你那個套裝行程要大當然他要選擇裡面幾個點他們年輕人自己會去做決定所以就說整個茂林國家化能區我是認為說我們都侷限在以茂林為主其實這個比較狹隘那他跟大清美地區都是一個生活圈\n\n04:03.860 --> 04:27.736\n你可以看到寶萊溫泉紫斑蝶還有客家文化包括我們本來的原住民文化茂林那邊都是再加上其實我們很多宗教生地也都在那一帶所以如果說把這個茂林國家混血區擴大範圍包括大旗美而且其實我還有一個願望其實我們經常到日本去幹嘛泡溫泉\n\n04:29.858 --> 04:40.583\n那如果說台灣外國旅客到台灣來大部分他就是到北投泡溫泉事實上你到南部來你就來我茂林寶來泡溫泉\n\n04:41.912 --> 05:00.165\n用這樣子一個大點因為人家出去就是吃喝玩樂嘛你有一個點吸引人家比如說我現在溫泉的整個格局需要提高以溫泉當作一個大的點然後其他的我們有很多套裝的再把它相加在一起\n\n05:01.045 --> 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