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00:00:42,038\n我認為每一個旅宿業者他都有自己決定怎麼樣可以兼顧環保怎麼樣兼顧禮賓怎麼樣兼顧便利怎麼樣能夠增加他們自己的這個飯店也好精品旅館的這些特色可是這種一刀切的做法你會說可以在櫃台拿你會說可以用其他的方式去補足但事實上就不是事實上我們現在在國內旅遊的時候旁邊就是販賣機就是販賣這些一次性的這個備品\n\n3\n00:00:44,779 --> 00:01:04,819\n事實上就是說他們把這個消費者的這個金額他們沒有把它降低啊是轉嫁給消費者啊我認為作為觀光署的署長我們這個國家是多元的價值立場沒有任何一個族群任何一個人可以把他自己的價值觀強壓在其他人的身上\n\n4\n00:01:05,439 --> 00:01:29,156\n所以我們當然是支持環保的但是支持環保的方式你應該用鼓勵的方式而不是用這種用上對下的這種盡力的方式所以特別是署長你應該要站在這個我們消費者的立場站在國內屬業者的立場上在想事情那不能夠說一切都是由環保單位他們決定環境單位說的算他是要有平衡性的\n\n5\n00:01:29,716 --> 00:01:34,996\n那現在我一直覺得很奇怪就是說為什麼不能夠有差異化這件事情可不可以簡單講一下\n\n6\n00:01:38,346 --> 00:02:06,794\n我其實同意委員的想法因為像上禮拜大家在提出來比如說大毛巾不提供這件事情我個人也覺得這件事情對於國際遊客來到台灣的時候它是相對的不友善那這件事情如何兼顧友善服務跟我們的環保政策還是希望得到一個平衡那這件事情我們內部會再重新檢討希望取得一個還是優先提供友善的服務給旅客\n\n7\n00:02:07,634 --> 00:02:23,712\n然後又能去落實到所謂的我們環境環保政策那個署長同樣的連鎖飯店不讓我們去日本或者是其其他的這個國家同樣等級的連鎖飯店但是我們現在不只是被評估提供連服務都下降\n\n8\n00:02:24,312 --> 00:02:41,471\n同樣等級的飯店甚至我們去其他國外的這些旅館我們付的價格更少不管是匯率的關係還是等等但是他就本國國內因為利用這些禁令這些指令來去做他們降低消費者的這一個這一個他們提供服務的這個標準\n\n9\n00:02:42,552 --> 00:03:08,065\n所以不是只有一致性的備品而已相關的服務他們本來在其他的國家同等級的飯店同等級同一個系列的這個連鎖店他們等於是被降格所以我們當有這樣子的建立之後其實有很多旅宿業者直接跟我們投訴他說這對他們京雲飯店來講他們的這些領導品牌的會直接指責我們國家的這些旅宿業者說你這樣是把我們的品牌降格我們要考慮跟你的合作關係\n\n10\n00:03:09,305 --> 00:03:27,425\n這樣子有辦法增加國旅嗎增加有辦法增加國旅的價格跟品質嗎你沒有辦法嘛你如果沒有辦法做出差異化特色化的話那你怎麼跟人家競爭而且我們不是說只是來這邊觀光而已我們還有來參與會議的商務旅行人士你要叫他們全部把他們的備品都攜帶\n\n11\n00:03:28,246 --> 00:03:57,629\n那我必須還要再強調其實這個你說一次性備品包含他們可以把他們地方性我們去日本的時候都會有他們把他們自己地方性的特殊產品融入在他們的備品裡面給那個賓客有賓至如歸的感覺或者是超越賓至如歸的感覺這就是他們特殊想要的體驗我們有做這些事情嗎不斷的建立現在已經說要擴張到磷礦泉水飲用水免疫型餐具然後這個所有的這些牙刷牙膏全部的一次性備品全部都不提供也沒有方案\n\n12\n00:03:59,135 --> 00:04:24,173\n請問署長你們有什麼其他方案有沒有跟這個我們其他環保單位來討論怎麼樣可以共融你們要共融不是說用這種懲罰性的用上對下的請用獎勵的方式不要用上對下的方式不是每一個人的價值觀都是一致的那是個多元的國家差異化精品化怎麼樣能夠爭取到各個不同國家的旅客各個不同他們價值不一樣有些人可以去對環保友善的這些旅館旅宿店\n\n13\n00:04:24,853 --> 00:04:46,951\n我同意委員的意見就是我們不要用單一的標準去看待我們整個因為觀光是服務業而且我們重視體驗這件事情希望能我們有點改進的機會除了重視體驗之外我不好意思說有許多來台灣的這些商業觀光旅客他就直接跟我們說因為你們不提供牙刷所以我們直接自己就自己出去再大量的購買這樣有比較好嗎甚至\n\n14\n00:04:48,692 --> 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