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00:02:04,615\n不管是不是這位我們其他的國人還有沒有可能再受到這樣的待遇我想我們會跟公路局第一個先把您剛講的網站上的你要給他警示啊如果他這種國家是這樣我就不要放在我的網站上啦第二個我要發動警示說讓國人不要去啊\n\n6\n00:02:05,675 --> 00:02:23,477\n在這邊還把你抓起來是還把你送到中國大使館這什麼國家委員這個我們來好不好交通部我給你一個禮拜的時間請你把這個個案以及羅馬尼亞對我們國家這樣子的不友善我們就以牙還牙以眼還眼了解我們會同步確認以後也通知外交部請他們幫忙\n\n7\n00:02:24,277 --> 00:02:50,012\n接下來是我們觀光的問題剛剛大家已經講了10億元加進去16000人只來2600署長我想問一下我們研究過現在問題除了剛剛講的缺工之外其實不是缺工是也不是缺錢是為什麼台灣的旅宿業沒有人願意做房屋不知道辛苦\n\n8\n00:02:51,516 --> 00:03:00,660\n好啦部長署長我加給你個數字喔台北精華酒店以他今年1月1號的一個房價一個晚上高達大概新台幣2萬6千塊\n\n9\n00:03:02,768 --> 00:03:21,033\n在香港的香港麗金酒店跟他同等級大概是一萬六千塊也就是說台灣的五星級飯店的房價跟國際級的大都市同等級的房價我們比人家一個房間一個晚上足足多了一萬塊台幣\n\n10\n00:03:23,157 --> 00:03:51,694\n不是沒有錢啦是沒有把錢給我們該給的人啦香港的京華酒店現在房屋院的薪資他們在招聘的是三萬三千塊台幣起跳香港的麗金房屋他們每個月的薪水是九萬塊台幣起跳我們不是缺工我們是缺我們的相關旅事院沒有把這些錢給到這些該給的人我們的收的錢沒有比人家低喔\n\n11\n00:03:53,379 --> 00:04:04,710\n如果按照這樣的比例來說房價比人家高一萬一個晚上但是我們的薪水是人家的三分之一不到這才是問題\n\n12\n00:04:06,915 --> 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我加給你個數字喔台北精華酒店以他今年1月1號的一個房價一個晚上高達大概新台幣2萬6千塊\n在香港的香港麗金酒店跟他同等級大概是一萬六千塊也就是說台灣的五星級飯店的房價跟國際級的大都市同等級的房價我們比人家一個房間一個晚上足足多了一萬塊台幣\n不是沒有錢啦是沒有把錢給我們該給的人啦香港的京華酒店現在房屋院的薪資他們在招聘的是三萬三千塊台幣起跳香港的麗金房屋他們每個月的薪水是九萬塊台幣起跳我們不是缺工我們是缺我們的相關旅事院沒有把這些錢給到這些該給的人我們的收的錢沒有比人家低喔\n如果按照這樣的比例來說房價比人家高一萬一個晚上但是我們的薪水是人家的三分之一不到這才是問題\n當然我們不是說房價不能這麼高而是你對標了國際級的大飯店大城市但是我們的薪水沒有對標國際這才是問題兩位如果這件事情只是中央我們給錢給到他他沒有給到底下或者是他的工作環境不好現在所有你們的報告裡面說住宿跟餐飲業離職的主因就是待遇不符期望\n你今天開放移工對我們的旅宿業的成本下降一樣國人還是沒有增加他的收入這才是我們的問題吧兩位你們的意見呢確實如委員講的那我們現在是積極的在鼓勵我們的旅宿業要幫同仁加薪\n加薪要成為他的一些相關的KPI而且要成為政府要不要給他們這些相關資訊的或者是將來有協助補助的條件現在的中階技術人力他是連動的他是一定要先幫本國勞工先加薪他才能使用中階技術人力\n所以我剛剛講的這個才是問題嘛他們台灣的房子房價國人為什麼有這麼多的疑慮因為台灣大部分覺得台灣國旅的房價是高的但是為什麼找不到人是因為我們沒有把房價的反應讓\n基層的員工受惠這才是問題我說缺工錯 我們不是缺工我們是缺該給該給的人而是想做這行的人他得不到該有的報酬這才是問題\n然後現在開放的移工可能這個問題又會更雪上加霜我覺得應該是怎麼樣保障本國勞工讓這些業者其實他們得到的利益應該怎麼樣下放給基層員工這個可能才是你們想要改革最重要的方向而不是只是單純的開放移工當成解藥好嗎好另外那個部分就請一個禮拜謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.741 --> 00:26.400\n謝謝主席我請次長跟署長林次長陳署長請委員好是次長我想先問交通部喔上一次因為我在這邊質詢說奧地利不承認台灣的駕照那經過外交部的努力現在奧地利政府已經同意了那比較嚴重的是9月26號羅馬尼亞的事件\n\n00:28.762 --> 00:47.354\n我們的攝影達人在羅馬尼亞距離匈牙利部到100公尺被兩名警察攔下來說不承認台灣台灣不在維也納公約簽署名單而且認為台灣駕照是違法文件涉及刑事犯罪扣押駕照而且揚言送給中國大使館交通部這個案子的處理狀況怎麼樣已經半個月了\n\n00:58.191 --> 01:25.210\n公共運輸司先說明我們有努力過了嗎上次交通部很幫忙這次呢奧地利的部分我們有請那個外交部幫忙所以已經通過了那這個部分我們再來這個個案而且這個國家他在我們國際駕照的簽署國在交通部網站上是告訴國人可以使用而且也在我們自己交通部公路局的互惠相關有羅馬尼亞\n\n01:26.391 --> 01:43.812\n可是我們在國外遇到這樣的狀況我們會再請外交部來做協助我要問的是這個案子到今天為止有沒有任何處理因為你們只看到新聞沒有人處理是嗎次長我給你一個禮拜的時間好處理的結果後續\n\n01:45.547 --> 02:04.615\n不管是不是這位我們其他的國人還有沒有可能再受到這樣的待遇我想我們會跟公路局第一個先把您剛講的網站上的你要給他警示啊如果他這種國家是這樣我就不要放在我的網站上啦第二個我要發動警示說讓國人不要去啊\n\n02:05.675 --> 02:23.477\n在這邊還把你抓起來是還把你送到中國大使館這什麼國家委員這個我們來好不好交通部我給你一個禮拜的時間請你把這個個案以及羅馬尼亞對我們國家這樣子的不友善我們就以牙還牙以眼還眼了解我們會同步確認以後也通知外交部請他們幫忙\n\n02:24.277 --> 02:50.012\n接下來是我們觀光的問題剛剛大家已經講了10億元加進去16000人只來2600署長我想問一下我們研究過現在問題除了剛剛講的缺工之外其實不是缺工是也不是缺錢是為什麼台灣的旅宿業沒有人願意做房屋不知道辛苦\n\n02:51.516 --> 03:00.660\n好啦部長署長我加給你個數字喔台北精華酒店以他今年1月1號的一個房價一個晚上高達大概新台幣2萬6千塊\n\n03:02.768 --> 03:21.033\n在香港的香港麗金酒店跟他同等級大概是一萬六千塊也就是說台灣的五星級飯店的房價跟國際級的大都市同等級的房價我們比人家一個房間一個晚上足足多了一萬塊台幣\n\n03:23.157 --> 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