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00:02:09,842\n今年我們出國的旅客人數更增加我看到今天我們稍早就是一到前三季我們的逆差也就是出境比入境是多了超過800萬的人次\n\n7\n00:02:12,364 --> 00:02:35,974\n那而且如果以消費金額來說我想請問次長或署長我們今年我們去出國旅遊的消費總金額是不是會超過新台幣一兆元你們有這樣評估嗎因為在去年的時候已經超過九千億了會不會超過一兆元\n\n8\n00:02:38,517 --> 00:03:05,453\n我覺得如果你們現在還要再討論如果按照現在我們的旅客出境人數的消費已經達到我們總預算的三分之一那麼我們一直希望能夠有一些補助也好補助這個國外的觀光人數我們過去不是一直都有補助嗎那如果今天我們到國外的消費的金額這麼高\n\n9\n00:03:08,591 --> 00:03:23,199\n這其實已經把台灣很多的資源都已經帶出國了那而我們現在討論的就是國旅國旅到底能不能夠做提振次長請問一下國旅還有救嗎\n\n10\n00:03:26,162 --> 00:03:41,040\n國旅是還繼續需要繼續努力我們的數字顯示旅客量是兩億兩千萬人次一年去年但是這個停留的天數比較短變成比以往1.39的樣子\n\n11\n00:03:42,822 --> 00:03:45,626\n沒錯這也許有人講是因為說高鐵太方便了尤其西部他寧願趕快買一個票再回去所以你們去做這個近六年的這個就是國內旅遊也是一樣啊\n\n12\n00:03:58,943 --> 00:04:14,674\n有超過七成的113年超過七成的人大概七成五的人根本不在外過夜這就問題這剛才大家也講到國旅線問題可能很重要大家談到的就是房價過高那我請問一下署長國旅還有救嗎台灣的國旅還有沒有救國旅當然還有救怎麼救你們要怎麼救\n\n13\n00:04:25,129 --> 00:04:49,893\n國旅我覺得我們有些景點確實是數十年來如一日都沒有新的項目所以原本特色的景點如何在有些新的項目這也是我們努力的那第二個是我們觀察到現在目前國內國旅的消費行為基本上就是採取區域型的旅遊比較多要麼就是目的型導向比如說像以這一兩年高雄的\n\n14\n00:04:50,713 --> 00:05:10,759\n的演唱會經濟非常的熱絡所以基本上當日來回高雄也很多這種就是但是問題是就是其實對高鐵是有幫助的但是對我們旅遊住宿沒有幫助剛才講說像這個來我們看下一張我們在8年有300家的旅行社解散\n\n15\n00:05:11,959 --> 00:05:37,840\n我們光是近三個月有12家旅行社倒閉了有31家你們公佈31家停業了那麼像以高雄來說五星級的飯店爆熄燈潮雖然剛才講這是所謂的演唱會經濟學雖然帶了人潮到了高雄可是他沒有住宿所以高雄的一些老字號飯店陸陸續續的\n\n16\n00:05:39,781 --> 00:06:05,868\n停業或者是關閉所以我要講就是說為什麼我們一直覺得觀光尤其國旅這麼重要那大家其實在講罰價問題房價已經不是這兩年的事情了講了快10年了快10年好像也沒有辦法解決那我請問一下今天早上行政院所公布的旅宿月可以開放外籍移工我想請問署長\n\n17\n00:06:08,289 --> 00:06:22,310\n這有沒有助於房價的降低國內飯店旅社房價降低有沒有幫助希望可以\n\n18\n00:06:23,058 --> 00:06:40,450\n希望那你們可不可以設定一個目標值否則的話當然沒錯啦房價市場機制可是剛剛都講了這所謂市場機制跟國外比實在是太昂貴了對不對太昂貴那其實我們今天開放外籍移工某一個程度也是希望能夠解決這相關的問題\n\n19\n00:06:42,151 --> 00:07:06,265\n所以對署長來講或次長來講可不可以你們經過這麼多討論可不可以有一個目標啊這KPI啊我希望在這一波在一季我可以看到起碼有5%到10%的房價可以降低反應或者是更多你們有沒有做這樣的一個目標否則的話我們今天做專報\n\n20\n00:07:07,566 --> 00:07:26,958\n可能到了三個月後半年後還是一樣的專報沒有改善只是我們看到更多旅行社解散更多的這個飯店熄燈所以你們有沒有一個目標今天行政院公布的最新政策\n\n21\n00:07:28,993 --> 00:07:51,362\n在這邊跟我們報告我們大概沒有辦法去強迫要求旅宿業一定要降價降多少但是我們會一直鼓勵他們像我們現在在光屬的旅宿網上面大概有一千多個是優惠的就是說如果要找更優惠的旅宿可以到上我們的旅宿網上面來\n\n22\n00:07:52,242 --> 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辛苦了\n我想今天主要的焦點都聚集在就是我們現在的觀光人的次數其實一直沒有辦法達成目標在今年初因為去年我們沒有辦法達成我們設定的目標在今年初我們的部長陳士凱他接受中央社的專訪他說他要整頓觀光他要爭取高端客\n那顯然今年應該就是把整個提升交通這觀光客作為交通部的一個重點施政目標但是到現在為止大家可以看到其實高端變成我們還是房價很高端房價很高端那請問一下我們的高端的觀光客在哪裡呢我們今年以來到底\n部長口中所說的高端觀光客高端客到底在哪裡而且我們如果看這些指標來說那麼甚至比這個疫情前我們如果看我今天框起來的這個是來台旅客每人平均的每人每日消費\n比這個疫情前還要減少所以顯然部長所講的高端課今年要開發的顯然已經跳票好然後\n今年我們出國的旅客人數更增加我看到今天我們稍早就是一到前三季我們的逆差也就是出境比入境是多了超過800萬的人次\n那而且如果以消費金額來說我想請問次長或署長我們今年我們去出國旅遊的消費總金額是不是會超過新台幣一兆元你們有這樣評估嗎因為在去年的時候已經超過九千億了會不會超過一兆元\n我覺得如果你們現在還要再討論如果按照現在我們的旅客出境人數的消費已經達到我們總預算的三分之一那麼我們一直希望能夠有一些補助也好補助這個國外的觀光人數我們過去不是一直都有補助嗎那如果今天我們到國外的消費的金額這麼高\n這其實已經把台灣很多的資源都已經帶出國了那而我們現在討論的就是國旅國旅到底能不能夠做提振次長請問一下國旅還有救嗎\n國旅是還繼續 需要繼續努力我們的數字顯示旅客量是兩億兩千萬人次一年 去年但是這個停留的天數比較短變成比以往1.39的樣子\n沒錯這也許有人講是因為說高鐵太方便了尤其西部他寧願趕快買一個票再回去所以你們去做這個近六年的這個就是國內旅遊也是一樣啊\n有超過七成的113年 超過七成的人 大概七成五的人根本不在外過夜這就問題 這剛才大家也講到國旅線問題可能很重要 大家談到的就是房價過高那我請問一下署長 國旅還有救嗎台灣的國旅還有沒有救國旅當然還有救 怎麼救你們要怎麼救\n國旅我覺得我們有些景點確實是數十年來如一日都沒有新的項目所以原本特色的景點如何在有些新的項目這也是我們努力的那第二個是我們觀察到現在目前國內國旅的消費行為基本上就是採取區域型的旅遊比較多要麼就是目的型導向比如說像以這一兩年高雄的\n的演唱會經濟非常的熱絡所以基本上當日來回高雄也很多這種就是但是問題是就是其實對高鐵是有幫助的但是對我們旅遊住宿沒有幫助剛才講說像這個來我們看下一張我們在8年有300家的旅行社解散\n我們光是近三個月有12家旅行社倒閉了有31家你們公佈31家停業了那麼像以高雄來說五星級的飯店爆熄燈潮雖然剛才講這是所謂的演唱會經濟學雖然帶了人潮到了高雄可是他沒有住宿所以高雄的一些老字號飯店陸陸續續的\n停業或者是關閉所以我要講就是說為什麼我們一直覺得觀光尤其國旅這麼重要那大家其實在講罰價問題 房價已經不是這兩年的事情了講了快10年了快10年好像也沒有辦法解決那我請問一下今天早上行政院所公布的旅宿月可以開放外籍移工我想請問署長\n這有沒有助於房價的降低國內飯店旅社房價降低有沒有幫助希望可以\n希望 那你們可不可以設定一個目標值否則的話當然沒錯啦 房價市場機制可是剛剛都講了 這所謂市場機制跟國外比實在是太昂貴了對不對 太昂貴那其實我們今天開放外籍移工某一個程度也是希望能夠解決這相關的問題\n所以對署長來講或次長來講可不可以你們經過這麼多討論可不可以有一個目標啊這KPI啊我希望在這一波在一季我可以看到起碼有5%到10%的房價可以降低反應或者是更多你們有沒有做這樣的一個目標否則的話我們今天做專報\n可能到了三個月後半年後還是一樣的專報沒有改善只是我們看到更多旅行社解散更多的這個飯店熄燈所以你們有沒有一個目標今天行政院公布的最新政策\n在這邊跟我們報告我們大概沒有辦法去強迫要求旅宿業一定要降價降多少但是我們會一直鼓勵他們像我們現在在光屬的旅宿網上面大概有一千多個是優惠的就是說如果要找更優惠的旅宿可以到上我們的旅宿網上面來\n那像包含這次我們也鼓勵大家要去互相串聯像今天早上有特別提到那種就是連宿就是這種部分希望透過觀光圈的方式讓大家把那個比如說住宿裡面含油塵就是增加如果價格不降是否增加油塵的方式來處理\n那我们这种会用鼓励鼓励的方式来希望业者能一起配合让我们的整个环境变得更好我希望你们加油啦刚刚讲说至少能让这七成五的人不去过夜的里面只要有一成的人一成的人愿意留下来过夜我想就会很明显看到一些改进国旅有救我希望国旅有救但是一定要拿出具体的作为这个我们再具体演绎一下谢谢\n謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.349 --> 00:10.234\n好謝謝主席請我們長賜還有我們觀光署署長林次長陳署長請好吳妍好好署長今天好像有感冒辛苦了\n\n00:21.868 --> 00:48.733\n我想今天主要的焦點都聚集在就是我們現在的觀光人的次數其實一直沒有辦法達成目標在今年初因為去年我們沒有辦法達成我們設定的目標在今年初我們的部長陳士凱他接受中央社的專訪他說他要整頓觀光他要爭取高端客\n\n00:49.833 --> 01:17.319\n那顯然今年應該就是把整個提升交通這觀光客作為交通部的一個重點施政目標但是到現在為止大家可以看到其實高端變成我們還是房價很高端房價很高端那請問一下我們的高端的觀光客在哪裡呢我們今年以來到底\n\n01:18.837 --> 01:37.491\n部長口中所說的高端觀光客高端客到底在哪裡而且我們如果看這些指標來說那麼甚至比這個疫情前我們如果看我今天框起來的這個是來台旅客每人平均的每人每日消費\n\n01:38.752 --> 01:52.349\n比這個疫情前還要減少所以顯然部長所講的高端課今年要開發的顯然已經跳票好然後\n\n01:54.011 --> 02:09.842\n今年我們出國的旅客人數更增加我看到今天我們稍早就是一到前三季我們的逆差也就是出境比入境是多了超過800萬的人次\n\n02:12.364 --> 02:35.974\n那而且如果以消費金額來說我想請問次長或署長我們今年我們去出國旅遊的消費總金額是不是會超過新台幣一兆元你們有這樣評估嗎因為在去年的時候已經超過九千億了會不會超過一兆元\n\n02:38.517 --> 03:05.453\n我覺得如果你們現在還要再討論如果按照現在我們的旅客出境人數的消費已經達到我們總預算的三分之一那麼我們一直希望能夠有一些補助也好補助這個國外的觀光人數我們過去不是一直都有補助嗎那如果今天我們到國外的消費的金額這麼高\n\n03:08.591 --> 03:23.199\n這其實已經把台灣很多的資源都已經帶出國了那而我們現在討論的就是國旅國旅到底能不能夠做提振次長請問一下國旅還有救嗎\n\n03:26.162 --> 03:41.040\n國旅是還繼續需要繼續努力我們的數字顯示旅客量是兩億兩千萬人次一年去年但是這個停留的天數比較短變成比以往1.39的樣子\n\n03:42.822 --> 03:45.626\n沒錯這也許有人講是因為說高鐵太方便了尤其西部他寧願趕快買一個票再回去所以你們去做這個近六年的這個就是國內旅遊也是一樣啊\n\n03:58.943 --> 04:14.674\n有超過七成的113年超過七成的人大概七成五的人根本不在外過夜這就問題這剛才大家也講到國旅線問題可能很重要大家談到的就是房價過高那我請問一下署長國旅還有救嗎台灣的國旅還有沒有救國旅當然還有救怎麼救你們要怎麼救\n\n04:25.129 --> 04:49.893\n國旅我覺得我們有些景點確實是數十年來如一日都沒有新的項目所以原本特色的景點如何在有些新的項目這也是我們努力的那第二個是我們觀察到現在目前國內國旅的消費行為基本上就是採取區域型的旅遊比較多要麼就是目的型導向比如說像以這一兩年高雄的\n\n04:50.713 --> 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