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00:00:52,298\n今年開第三次開第三次那有什麼跨部會重大的成就嗎有沒有什麼講一個就好要求整合各個部會提出他們的要求整合早就該整合了但是以往在做很多單位是他自己行銷所以嘛所以民進黨執政八年多第九年賣到第十年現在才思考說觀光要整合\n\n3\n00:00:53,318 --> 00:01:10,125\n這個好像還在那種已知用火的年代啦這個經濟部跟觀光組或者是交通部好像說要推一個會展消費卡是不是要給10萬商務客來台灣一個人出資2000元是嗎順道旅遊順道旅遊進來之後給他2000塊嘛\n\n4\n00:01:13,267 --> 00:01:42,129\n類似消費卡是不是那是經濟部推的是不是然後經濟部聯手交通部啊我們推的是順道旅遊順道旅遊齁那沒關係署長我想請教一下經濟部推這個類消費類悠遊卡進來之後一個人發一張兩千塊讓他幹嘛呢讓他搭車去超商買東西逛百貨公司去餐廳吃飯我想請教一下請問一下國外的商務旅客到台灣他們花不到兩千塊吧\n\n5\n00:01:44,045 --> 00:02:12,913\n他花不到兩千塊嗎他們如果不給他的卡他也花不到兩千塊嗎他要不要吃飯要不要坐車要吧那結果交通部連同經濟部推這個東西你給他兩千塊他就是把他原本要花費的錢現在變成台灣人幫他付而已啊不是嗎所以怎麼會推這種交通部跟經濟部怎麼會跟他推這種我看起來好莫名其妙的東西喔欸是\n\n6\n00:02:14,843 --> 00:02:36,633\n交通部公共署推的是順道旅遊比如說他來參加會議呢三天我們希望他多留兩天那多留兩天呢如果這兩天時間是在週間的話呢我們會補貼他兩千塊一天如果他是週末日的話是一天是一千五這個是公共署的政策那經濟部的那個部分我不知道\n\n7\n00:02:38,534 --> 00:03:01,062\n所以你們跨部會協調就有問題因為剛剛已經講了行政院有一個諮詢跨部會的會議經濟部讓那些商務客來給他錢當然是希望他留在台灣消費當然這跟觀光也有關所以這個本來就是要你推觀光署推觀光署的然後經濟部推經濟部但其實大家做的都是類似的東西\n\n8\n00:03:01,442 --> 00:03:30,044\n你希望他多留兩天吃雞消費他給他兩千塊叫他吃雞消費其實做的一樣東西啊資源也沒有整合啊那資源沒有整合的情況之下如果單看經濟部做的事情你就覺得你會覺得非常的荒謬嘛你會覺得非常荒謬嘛那署長剛剛講的說讓他順道旅遊我請問他的成效好嗎真的有很多人他本來是要來三天機票都已經買了三天兩夜然後因為你給他兩千塊他就願意多待兩天去改機票\n\n9\n00:03:31,929 --> 00:03:51,517\n這個成效有嗎我有看到相關的數據那就以我個人來看我確實覺得有待再加強所以之前數據是怎麼樣到今年是今年到1月1號到9月底的順道公關旅遊大概14件申請的金額大概是335萬7千元\n\n10\n00:03:54,478 --> 00:04:06,894\n那這塊部分呢就像剛剛那個說法你說幾件14件就是9個月只有14個人因為這個計畫然後去改了他的機票他是團體不是個人是團體4個人到30個人都是一個團體所以可見\n\n11\n00:04:11,159 --> 00:04:38,213\n這一種給不管是商務客也好或者是觀光客你花納稅人的錢用我們台灣人的錢讓他們來消費這一招是行不通的啦這個都是枝微末節很治標不治本的狀況我覺得如果說今天行政院跨部會會議要成立的話你應該要針對本的問題去做解決譬如說剛剛大家討論的問題價格的問題因為我有看到有那種公司要帶員工旅遊本來是要去南部\n\n12\n00:04:39,033 --> 00:04:46,605\n然後結果查一查發現價格貴的金人後來去查去日本比較便宜全團去日本就員工高興不得了同樣價錢可以出國\n\n13\n00:04:47,799 --> 00:05:10,420\n你要從這個方面去解決嘛然後飯店的那個價格高到嚇死人所以大家不願意兩天一夜啊都當天來回啊這個問題要去解決還有一個是為什麼台灣人喜歡去日本因為日本很多品牌你去的一去再去譬如說櫻木花道的郵程或者是木福家康的郵程或什麼之類他有很多不同的\n\n14\n00:05:11,041 --> 00:05:27,409\n多元的還有侏羅紀公園什麼之類就是很多大家可以我今天去這個地方我下次還可以再去台灣現在的問題就是說很多人來了一次了不起兩次可能就沒有再來的這個是很多本質性的問題我覺得我覺得應該是要去解決的啦\n\n15\n00:05:28,109 --> 00:05:49,409\n所以然後再來就是像我們常常在教育文化委員會我覺得那個故宮那麼好的一個國寶國寶的這個東西在那邊都不宣傳都沒有去告訴國外說我們台灣有一個故宮欸裡面有很多很棒的國寶它有很多故事然後那個故事中華文化可能你們是因為民進黨講到中華文化就排斥啦就不願意去講這個東西其實\n\n16\n00:05:51,351 --> 00:06:15,646\n我剛剛為什麼一開始就問整合的問題如果觀光署或行政院真的有心要推展觀光的話台灣其實大家一起來聯合推動效果會好很多真的比你們花納稅人錢啊補助那些外國人我看到你跟經濟部講一下因為新聞是講經濟部連同交通部啦如果交通部沒有的話你們就背黑鍋那真的很可笑啦那個制度給兩千塊\n\n17\n00:06:16,767 --> 00:06:27,882\n人家外國人來本來就會花兩千塊一定花兩千塊以上啊你等於是我洪鳳凱請他們的啊他本來就會花這個錢啊做這個效益精英評估在哪裡所以我覺得\n\n18\n00:06:29,215 --> 00:06:52,445\n因為署長也是剛上任應該署長就我的了解這一塊也是很熟啦應該我認為應該要提一些真正治本的方法大家都很關心觀光除了人事之外還包括在地的消費這些我們真的希望台灣在觀光這一塊不要落後人家太多啦好謝謝好謝謝葉仁志委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n643\t23479\t麻煩請次長還有署長林次長 陳署長請委員好 次長 署長好觀光一定要跨部會來推動以前國民黨執政的時候有一個觀光推我知道今年好像行政院現在有一個觀光振興委員會資訊委員會開幾次了\n26249\t52298\t今年開第三次開第三次那有什麼跨部會重大的成就嗎有沒有什麼講一個就好要求整合各個部會提出他們的要求整合早就該整合了但是以往在做很多單位是他自己行銷所以嘛所以民進黨執政八年多第九年賣到第十年現在才思考說觀光要整合\n53318\t70125\t這個好像還在那種已知用火的年代啦這個經濟部跟觀光組或者是交通部好像說要推一個會展消費卡是不是要給10萬商務客來台灣一個人出資2000元是嗎順道旅遊順道旅遊進來之後給他2000塊嘛\n73267\t102129\t類似消費卡是不是那是經濟部推的是不是然後經濟部聯手交通部啊我們推的是順道旅遊順道旅遊齁那沒關係 署長我想請教一下經濟部推這個類消費類悠遊卡進來之後一個人發一張兩千塊讓他幹嘛呢讓他搭車去超商買東西逛百貨公司去餐廳吃飯我想請教一下 請問一下國外的商務旅客到台灣他們花不到兩千塊吧\n104045\t132913\t他花不到兩千塊嗎 他們如果不給他的卡 他也花不到兩千塊嗎他要不要吃飯 要不要坐車要吧那結果交通部連同經濟部推這個東西你給他兩千塊 他就是把他原本要花費的錢現在變成台灣人幫他付而已啊不是嗎所以怎麼會推這種交通部跟經濟部怎麼會跟他推這種我看起來好莫名其妙的東西喔欸 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