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00:01:36,992\n所以強度的增加目前看起來是有一定的趨勢在往下走頻率也有可能增加颱風的頻率來看的話其實跟很多因素有關係跟太平洋的環境還有森林的環境其實都有很大的關係當然海面是\n\n6\n00:01:37,752 --> 00:02:06,609\n主要的因素那至于说台风的个数其实年纪变化相当的大那有一些年份的台风就比较多有一些年份的台风比较小但是有一些趋势就是说其实前几年其实秋台的量不多不过最近几年秋台的量又逐渐的变多起来所以有一些主要原因是什么有一些十年纪的变化那些十年纪的变化的因素可能就很多了有时候声音的变化\n\n7\n00:02:06,929 --> 00:02:32,345\n所以有辦法有規律可循嗎本席現在就講是說既然我們成立了就是從氣象局變氣象署那還有就是說我們也現在您也看到說近幾年秋台變多那今年其實我們台灣真的受到颱風影響非常的大不管是花蓮桃雨然後不管是我們中南部那本席也想要了解的是說有沒有機會先預告或說先警示可能未來這種颱風的狀況我們有規則可循\n\n8\n00:02:35,267 --> 00:02:56,834\n國人可以提早去做因應這一部分通常今年的颱風可能通常我們往前看的這些因子通常都是在勝因年在前一年的勝因的情況關係的因素是最大的所以我們在每一年的在六月底我們會對當年的颱風的個數會去做一些用最新的預報去做預估對\n\n9\n00:02:57,614 --> 00:03:03,722\n那這些預估的情況我們會開記者會去跟民眾說明這些事情我想請教上一次颱風在11月的時候還有颱風來侵襲到台灣本島是什麼時候\n\n10\n00:03:08,927 --> 00:03:32,427\n去年就有颱風來侵襲過11月在台灣本島有侵襲到台灣的本島有發颱風警報但是並沒有直接登陸也沒有到路上登陸不一定登陸但是其實秋台這個影響對我們台灣來講應該是直接影響就是北部跟東部的降雨比較多\n\n11\n00:03:32,867 --> 00:03:55,539\n本席要強調的是因為查了一個資料從去年在之前在更之前11月有颱風如果說以正式紀錄的話應該是1967年了滿早之前那去年當然有11月的一個颱風那但是本席現在也是針對我們不管是氣象法不管是氣象數我們已經升格那就是期待是說有更精準的一個預報\n\n12\n00:03:56,979 --> 00:04:16,553\n讓國人都可以防範未然嗎我想這是我們共同面臨到台灣是我們生活的土地所以我們一定要好好的防範未然是吧這也是我們在整個氣候變遷的過程裡面氣象署的扮演的一些角色好所以講到這個部分其實大家就提到了就是說所謂的颱風停班停課的狀況因為\n\n13\n00:04:18,254 --> 00:04:33,068\n很多人也在講就是說停班停課其實中關很多的考量跟因素還有最後這絕對不是說一個首長帥不帥來決定說他到底要不要停班停課嘛那其實首長他到最後判斷說停班停課的最大依據是什麼\n\n14\n00:04:34,305 --> 00:04:50,562\n是不是還是我們氣象署所提供的一個氣象預報對通常在過去的跟地方政府的交流過程裡面我們提供風力跟雨量的預報在颱風來臨之前這個對地方政府在宣布停搬停革是一個很重要的依據\n\n15\n00:04:50,942 --> 00:05:18,355\n所以地方政府很重要一句是從氣象組這邊來的那這也是科學數據對不對就是科學有一說有二說如果說真的有到達一定的一個指標有危險之餘的話該停班就要停班該停課就要停課那但是現在變成是說很多國人有覺得是以前從一開始的時候是中央政府來宣布那可能當然會覺得是說那沒有因地制宜但到地方政府來宣布的時候可能大家難免也會就變成是首長\n\n16\n00:05:19,215 --> 00:05:42,353\n他有他的压力甚至大家会觉得是说你帅不帅来决定那所以也有人在讨论是说有个声音是说那既然您刚也直接讲了地方首长的预报其实都是来自气象署的气象预报那也有人在讨论说那是不是还是一样回归到中央主管机关来去做一个停班停课的一个预告第一不会有任何的\n\n17\n00:05:43,731 --> 00:05:48,426\n壓力或考量那氣象署就本於專業來去做一個判斷您認為呢\n\n18\n00:05:50,697 --> 00:06:17,184\n停班停課的决策的确是很困难气象只是其中的一个因素气象里面大概考量的因素有两个一个是锋利的因素你刚刚都讲过本席也就请教您地方首长决策的依据是什么您刚刚也说了就是从气象组的气象预报现在本席就讲如果说看数字然后判断其实这样子国人不会有任何争议也更避免\n\n19\n00:06:17,924 --> 00:06:22,842\n任何人来做以前说要造神明明这个中南部就有人\n\n20\n00:06:23,496 --> 00:06:52,860\n大家都放假那就只有一個首長沒放假結果沒想到大家就說他是什麼神什麼神那其實本席也不樂見這樣的一個狀況因為這樣子就代表是說還是有人質的因素在裡面但實際上您剛也提到了就是說我們要預防的是讓國人不要有安危不要因為上班上課而造成他的一個外出的一個安危那如果說風力達到標準雨量達到標準那大家也講是說台灣其實也確實不大那也有生活圈的一個考量那是不是就由氣象署這邊統一來做一個發布\n\n21\n00:06:53,260 --> 00:07:01,279\n大家看譬如說十點鐘看氣象署發布之後大家就各自可以去準備明天到底上班或不上班您認為呢\n\n22\n00:07:03,254 --> 00:07:22,566\n地方政府的考量氣象是一個因素之一那生活圈是一個因素之一那另外在水電維生部分氣象的環境的因素之外有沒有其他因素其實這個不是氣象署能夠從天氣的角度去看待這件事情所以背後還有一些其他因素氣象署說不知道我們也相信這個是很專業的\n\n23\n00:07:23,446 --> 00:07:47,965\n很專業所以其實地方首長如果判斷放不放假停不停班其實也不能講放假啦說實在我們講的是停班停課啦停班停課他其實是很專業而且也是通盤考量如果說確實有就如同您剛剛講的氣象也只是一個指標如果說真的有到達風力或是水量但是不至於有影響到安危以及通盤的考量\n\n24\n00:07:48,285 --> 00:08:08,934\n如果真的他到時候決定說不停班停課的話那也是尊重那個地方首長的專業是不是是的好這樣我了解了所以真的計帳署今天很專業我們也溝通對話其實大家也講真的有些時候我們也要持續的跟民眾來溝通就不是說哪一個首長帥或哪一個首長不帥他放假就很帥他不放假就不帥\n\n25\n00:08:09,474 --> 00:08:27,635\n我覺得這也不是那還有就是說我們之前一直強調就是說即便是停班停課它不是放假所以大家不要說晚上八點宣布了明天停班停課結果KTV訂滿電影院爆滿百貨公司爆滿我想這也是我們不樂見的狀況嘛是不是好最後一分鐘我想也請教一下\n\n26\n00:08:29,295 --> 00:08:55,801\n因為現在夏天也越來越長雖然冬天現在開始冷了可是之前我們一直有提過所謂的高溫假那也有人也有委員就有講是說應該要把高溫氣象法修法的時候把高溫假納入災害性的天氣未來發布高溫資訊或是高溫特報那我請教啊現在有委員的版本也提出來了但是氣象署不是說之前要修正預告草案今年要上路到目前呢\n\n27\n00:08:56,261 --> 00:09:15,683\n是的我們的草案目前已經報到部裡面了那目前在部裡面還有稍微的文字的調整來那跟市長有相關不然不好意思請您來都還沒有讓您回答市長不是說之前就已經預告期那預告期完之後就要送出來不然我們等一下氣象法要修正的時候沒有辦法有院版來討論啊\n\n28\n00:09:17,486 --> 00:09:40,282\n包委員還沒有預告那預告後我們會把各單位的意見歸納以後氣象署修完整理完再報到法治處那這樣速度會不會太慢了一點點因為我們之前不就已經有講你看之前就有講說氣象署要著手修氣象法並且預告60天再送布再送院還要送過來那朝委都已經\n\n29\n00:09:41,826 --> 00:10:10,098\n那麼間集旅集的排我們氣象法的修正了那你不利用這個時候我們不一起來修正討論那不然我們要怎麼樣是謝委員因為各方意見還蠻多的尤其是各個專業團體所以我們大概氣象組修完以後會在11月來處理預告的所以對高溫價來講政府是有保留的態度嗎我們贊成這個方向贊成這個方向但是像你具體的作為做法以及你的標準是什麼總是要讓國人知道啊\n\n30\n00:10:11,416 --> 00:10:32,901\n所謂的高溫價是根據溫度來判斷它是不同紅成黃但是各個地方要做什麼樣的作為可能還得人事單位跟政府部門來統一考量這只是說它溫度的高度譬如說黃是36度以上那紅色是38度以上市長我都可以理解就像剛剛署長講的就是說\n\n31\n00:10:35,177 --> 00:10:48,070\n即便是停班停課大家比較國人熟悉的就是颱風的部分風力到達一定標準雨量到達一定標準但是到時候放不放假也要考量說是不是颱風真的有登陸以及有沒有影響到國人的安危嘛\n\n32\n00:10:48,595 --> 00:11:17,362\n那一樣氣溫價高溫價之前討論也是說到一定的程度但是高溫其實有兩個部分一個是戶外工作的民眾跟做辦公室工作的民眾其實他的感受體感溫度就不一樣那還有他的危險程度也不一樣但至少你的高溫價定義標準到底是幾度是高溫還是幾度你建議要放假那這總是應該要還有就是我們氣象法現在在修法的過程裡面你總是要把願板拿出來啊\n\n33\n00:11:19,515 --> 00:11:38,558\n不是嗎我跟委員報告一下氣象法還是很困難沒有辦法定把高溫入到我們氣象法裡面是第一步就是把它放到災害性天氣區放到災害性天氣區其實相關的一些單位需要去配合有關氣候高溫調適的部分他們就有一個法源去做適當的調適\n\n34\n00:11:39,879 --> 00:12:00,509\n那至於說其實高溫對各行各業的影響程式都不大一樣那會影響到在中午對待時因為它跟颱風那種下雨不大一樣是一整天的那它只是中午的時候會比較熱在這個時候調適的過程有這個法出來之後我們會跟相關的一些災防單位去研理說怎麼樣去發布署長你還是沒有回答本席的問題你講的都是我的問題\n\n35\n00:12:01,449 --> 00:12:18,746\n你只是重複把我的問題再重複一遍就是說我們都理解這個狀態所以但是最終決定因為你們是專業單位本身也尊重氣象署的專業但是我們現在要討論說到底多少溫度因為現在極端氣候以前可能35度以上很少見大家已經覺得熱了\n\n36\n00:12:19,747 --> 00:12:43,785\n但現在可能40度比比皆是那到底我們譬如說定高溫是到幾度是一個標準是高溫那還有就是說你們未來在氣象法修法的時候討論那要不要把它提出來還是能拖就拖能過就過跟委員報告以拖待變目前我們的定義是以人體的感受在36度的時候人體是37度嘛36度的時候我們會提注意大家要注意所以那時候我們會發黃色的燈號\n\n37\n00:12:45,606 --> 00:13:12,574\n那橙色的燈他說我們開始做預警了所謂的預警就是說你的現在溫度已經到達我們人體的溫度37度了如果高於37度38度的話我們就會發行動的燈號出來紅色的燈號這個時候相對應的單位可能就要配合有一些配套措施出來那我剛剛跟委員報告這些後面的配套措施每一個單位其實的執行都不大一樣好那即便現在我看起來是來不及如果說這個會期早晚要\n\n38\n00:13:13,274 --> 00:13:40,238\n修正氣象法的話你們可能也來不及把願板送出來但至少是不是相關的指引或是相關的這一些你剛剛講的不要說只是用講的而是應該訂出標準我覺得也可以給現在在戶外工作的勞工朋友或是僱主或者是地方政府有參考可循如果說明年五月六月真的到達一定程度高溫的時候該市井要市井該住一要住一這可以做到吧\n\n39\n00:13:40,996 --> 00:14:05,325\n是的我們來努力那就目前來指氣象組隊高溫有發布高溫即時訊息出來是但最重要的是對那如果說大家期待的是說你什麼時候要把這個標準訂出來以及不要一直講說要有高溫架高溫架但是實際上根本沒有標準或是說根本沒有推動的一個時程是這點本市也會持續的關注是好不好謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2028\t7035\t主席謝謝 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對\n177614\t183722\t那這些預估的情況我們會開記者會去跟民眾說明這些事情我想請教上一次颱風在11月的時候還有颱風來侵襲到台灣本島是什麼時候\n188927\t212427\t去年就有颱風來侵襲過11月在台灣本島有侵襲到台灣的本島有發颱風警報但是並沒有直接登陸也沒有到路上登陸不一定登陸但是其實秋台這個影響對我們台灣來講應該是直接影響就是北部跟東部的降雨比較多\n212867\t235539\t本席要強調的是因為查了一個資料從去年在之前在更之前11月有颱風如果說以正式紀錄的話應該是1967年了滿早之前那去年當然有11月的一個颱風那但是本席現在也是針對我們不管是氣象法不管是氣象數我們已經升格那就是期待是說有更精準的一個預報\n236979\t256553\t讓國人都可以防範未然嗎我想這是我們共同面臨到台灣是我們生活的土地所以我們一定要好好的防範未然 是吧這也是我們在整個氣候變遷的過程裡面氣象署的扮演的一些角色好 所以講到這個部分其實大家就提到了就是說所謂的颱風停班停課的狀況因為\n258254\t273068\t很多人也在講就是說停班停課其實中關很多的考量跟因素還有最後這絕對不是說一個首長帥不帥來決定說他到底要不要停班停課嘛那其實首長他到最後判斷說停班停課的最大依據是什麼\n274305\t290562\t是不是還是我們氣象署所提供的一個氣象預報對 通常在過去的跟地方政府的交流過程裡面我們提供風力跟雨量的預報在颱風來臨之前這個對地方政府在宣布停搬停革是一個很重要的依據\n290942\t318355\t所以地方政府很重要一句是從氣象組這邊來的那這也是科學數據 對不對就是科學有一說有二說如果說真的有到達一定的一個指標有危險之餘的話該停班就要停班 該停課就要停課那但是現在變成是說很多國人有覺得是以前從一開始的時候是中央政府來宣布那可能當然會覺得是說那沒有因地制宜但到地方政府來宣布的時候可能大家難免也會就變成是首長\n319215\t342353\t他有他的压力甚至大家会觉得是说你帅不帅来决定那所以也有人在讨论是说有个声音是说那既然您刚也直接讲了地方首长的预报其实都是来自气象署的气象预报那也有人在讨论说那是不是还是一样回归到中央主管机关来去做一个停班停课的一个预告第一不会有任何的\n343731\t348426\t壓力或考量 那氣象署就本於專業來去做一個判斷 您認為呢\n350697\t377184\t停班停課的决策的确是很困难气象只是其中的一个因素气象里面大概考量的因素有两个一个是锋利的因素你刚刚都讲过本席也就请教您地方首长决策的依据是什么您刚刚也说了就是从气象组的气象预报现在本席就讲如果说看数字然后判断其实这样子国人不会有任何争议也更避免\n377924\t382842\t任何人来做 以前说要造神明明这个中南部就有人\n383496\t412860\t大家都放假那就只有一個首長沒放假結果沒想到大家就說他是什麼神什麼神那其實本席也不樂見這樣的一個狀況因為這樣子就代表是說還是有人質的因素在裡面但實際上您剛也提到了就是說我們要預防的是讓國人不要有安危不要因為上班上課而造成他的一個外出的一個安危那如果說風力達到標準雨量達到標準那大家也講是說台灣其實也確實不大那也有生活圈的一個考量那是不是就由氣象署這邊統一來做一個發布\n413260\t421279\t大家看譬如說十點鐘看氣象署發布之後大家就各自可以去準備明天到底上班或不上班您認為呢\n423254\t442566\t地方政府的考量氣象是一個因素之一那生活圈是一個因素之一那另外在水電維生部分氣象的環境的因素之外有沒有其他因素其實這個不是氣象署能夠從天氣的角度去看待這件事情所以背後還有一些其他因素氣象署說不知道我們也相信這個是很專業的\n443446\t467965\t很專業所以其實地方首長如果判斷放不放假停不停班其實也不能講放假啦說實在我們講的是停班停課啦停班停課他其實是很專業而且也是通盤考量如果說確實有就如同您剛剛講的氣象也只是一個指標如果說真的有到達風力或是水量但是不至於有影響到安危以及通盤的考量\n468285\t488934\t如果真的他到時候決定說不停班停課的話那也是尊重那個地方首長的專業是不是 是的好 這樣我了解了所以真的計帳署今天很專業我們也溝通對話其實大家也講真的有些時候我們也要持續的跟民眾來溝通就不是說哪一個首長帥或哪一個首長不帥他放假就很帥他不放假就不帥\n489474\t507635\t我覺得這也不是那還有就是說我們之前一直強調就是說即便是停班停課它不是放假所以大家不要說晚上八點宣布了明天停班停課結果KTV訂滿電影院爆滿百貨公司爆滿我想這也是我們不樂見的狀況嘛是不是好最後一分鐘我想也請教一下\n509295\t535801\t因為現在夏天也越來越長雖然冬天現在開始冷了可是之前我們一直有提過所謂的高溫假那也有人也有委員就有講是說應該要把高溫氣象法修法的時候把高溫假納入災害性的天氣未來發布高溫資訊或是高溫特報那我請教啊現在有委員的版本也提出來了但是氣象署不是說之前要修正預告草案今年要上路到目前呢\n536261\t555683\t是的我們的草案目前已經報到部裡面了那目前在部裡面還有稍微的文字的調整來 那跟市長有相關不然不好意思請您來都還沒有讓您回答市長不是說之前就已經預告期那預告期完之後就要送出來不然我們等一下氣象法要修正的時候沒有辦法有院版來討論啊\n557486\t580282\t包委員還沒有預告那預告後我們會把各單位的意見歸納以後氣象署修完整理完再報到法治處那這樣速度會不會太慢了一點點因為我們之前不就已經有講你看之前就有講說氣象署要著手修氣象法並且預告60天再送布再送院還要送過來那朝委都已經\n581826\t610098\t那麼間集旅集的排我們氣象法的修正了那你不利用這個時候我們不一起來修正討論那不然我們要怎麼樣是 謝委員因為各方意見還蠻多的尤其是各個專業團體所以我們大概氣象組修完以後會在11月來處理預告的所以對高溫價來講政府是有保留的態度嗎我們贊成這個方向贊成這個方向但是像你具體的作為做法以及你的標準是什麼總是要讓國人知道啊\n611416\t632901\t所謂的高溫價是根據溫度來判斷它是不同紅成黃但是各個地方要做什麼樣的作為可能還得人事單位跟政府部門來統一考量這只是說它溫度的高度譬如說黃是36度以上那紅色是38度以上市長我都可以理解就像剛剛署長講的就是說\n635177\t648070\t即便是停班停課大家比較國人熟悉的就是颱風的部分風力到達一定標準雨量到達一定標準但是到時候放不放假也要考量說是不是颱風真的有登陸以及有沒有影響到國人的安危嘛\n648595\t677362\t那一樣氣溫價高溫價之前討論也是說到一定的程度但是高溫其實有兩個部分一個是戶外工作的民眾跟做辦公室工作的民眾其實他的感受體感溫度就不一樣那還有他的危險程度也不一樣但至少你的高溫價定義標準到底是幾度是高溫還是幾度你建議要放假那這總是應該要還有就是我們氣象法現在在修法的過程裡面你總是要把願板拿出來啊\n679515\t698558\t不是嗎我跟委員報告一下氣象法還是很困難沒有辦法定把高溫入到我們氣象法裡面是第一步就是把它放到災害性天氣區放到災害性天氣區其實相關的一些單位需要去配合有關氣候高溫調適的部分他們就有一個法源去做適當的調適\n699879\t720509\t那至於說其實高溫對各行各業的影響程式都不大一樣那會影響到在中午對待時因為它跟颱風那種下雨不大一樣是一整天的那它只是中午的時候會比較熱在這個時候調適的過程有這個法出來之後我們會跟相關的一些災防單位去研理說怎麼樣去發布署長你還是沒有回答本席的問題你講的都是我的問題\n721449\t738746\t你只是重複把我的問題再重複一遍就是說我們都理解這個狀態所以但是最終決定因為你們是專業單位本身也尊重氣象署的專業但是我們現在要討論說到底多少溫度因為現在極端氣候以前可能35度以上很少見大家已經覺得熱了\n739747\t763785\t但現在可能40度比比皆是那到底我們譬如說定高溫是到幾度是一個標準是高溫那還有就是說你們未來在氣象法修法的時候討論那要不要把它提出來還是能拖就拖能過就過跟委員報告以拖待變目前我們的定義是以人體的感受在36度的時候人體是37度嘛36度的時候我們會提注意大家要注意所以那時候我們會發黃色的燈號\n765606\t792574\t那橙色的燈他說我們開始做預警了所謂的預警就是說你的現在溫度已經到達我們人體的溫度37度了如果高於37度 38度的話我們就會發行動的燈號出來紅色的燈號這個時候相對應的單位可能就要配合有一些配套措施出來那我剛剛跟委員報告這些後面的配套措施每一個單位其實的執行都不大一樣好 那即便現在我看起來是來不及如果說這個會期早晚要\n793274\t820238\t修正氣象法的話你們可能也來不及把願板送出來但至少是不是相關的指引或是相關的這一些你剛剛講的不要說只是用講的而是應該訂出標準我覺得也可以給現在在戶外工作的勞工朋友或是僱主或者是地方政府有參考可循如果說明年五月六月真的到達一定程度高溫的時候該市井要市井該住一要住一這可以做到吧\n820996\t845325\t是的 我們來努力那就目前來指氣象組隊高溫有發布高溫即時訊息出來是 但最重要的是對 那如果說大家期待的是說你什麼時候要把這個標準訂出來以及不要一直講說要有高溫架高溫架但是實際上根本沒有標準或是說根本沒有推動的一個時程是這點本市也會持續的關注是 好不好謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝\n","txt":"主席謝謝 麻煩請我們呂署長跟林次長請次長跟署長\n早安我們想今天針對氣象法的一個修法那本席也先就教一下因為看到是說我們現在接下來有可能有一個中台已經成形是海鷗那雖然說他沒有直接清台的一個可能性但是我們也看到說氣象署有發布說現在南方還有低壓持續的有可能會有颱風的一個成形\n那是不是現在已經11月了其實說實在話大家以往就覺得說11月這個颱風相對應該是比較少那未來還有可能成台的一個狀況是不是也代表說現在我們面對極端氣候越來越顯著是不是可以說明一下\n就目前的形態來看其實在全球暖化的過程裡面颱風的樣態的確是強度看起來有逐漸的有比較強的趨勢因為全球暖化的過程裡面海平面的溫度也升高海平面的溫度升高通常也會使得颱風的強度增強\n所以強度的增加目前看起來是有一定的趨勢在往下走頻率也有可能增加颱風的頻率來看的話其實跟很多因素有關係跟太平洋的環境還有森林的環境其實都有很大的關係當然海面是\n主要的因素那至于说台风的个数其实年纪变化相当的大那有一些年份的台风就比较多有一些年份的台风比较小但是有一些趋势就是说其实前几年其实秋台的量不多不过最近几年秋台的量又逐渐的变多起来所以有一些主要原因是什么有一些十年纪的变化那些十年纪的变化的因素可能就很多了有时候声音的变化\n所以有辦法有規律可循嗎本席現在就講是說既然我們成立了就是從氣象局變氣象署那還有就是說我們也現在您也看到說近幾年秋台變多那今年其實我們台灣真的受到颱風影響非常的大不管是花蓮 桃雨然後不管是我們中南部那本席也想要了解的是說有沒有機會先預告或說先警示可能未來這種颱風的狀況我們有規則可循\n國人可以提早去做因應這一部分通常今年的颱風可能通常我們往前看的這些因子通常都是在勝因年在前一年的勝因的情況關係的因素是最大的所以我們在每一年的在六月底我們會對當年的颱風的個數會去做一些用最新的預報去做預估 對\n那這些預估的情況我們會開記者會去跟民眾說明這些事情我想請教上一次颱風在11月的時候還有颱風來侵襲到台灣本島是什麼時候\n去年就有颱風來侵襲過11月在台灣本島有侵襲到台灣的本島有發颱風警報但是並沒有直接登陸也沒有到路上登陸不一定登陸但是其實秋台這個影響對我們台灣來講應該是直接影響就是北部跟東部的降雨比較多\n本席要強調的是因為查了一個資料從去年在之前在更之前11月有颱風如果說以正式紀錄的話應該是1967年了滿早之前那去年當然有11月的一個颱風那但是本席現在也是針對我們不管是氣象法不管是氣象數我們已經升格那就是期待是說有更精準的一個預報\n讓國人都可以防範未然嗎我想這是我們共同面臨到台灣是我們生活的土地所以我們一定要好好的防範未然 是吧這也是我們在整個氣候變遷的過程裡面氣象署的扮演的一些角色好 所以講到這個部分其實大家就提到了就是說所謂的颱風停班停課的狀況因為\n很多人也在講就是說停班停課其實中關很多的考量跟因素還有最後這絕對不是說一個首長帥不帥來決定說他到底要不要停班停課嘛那其實首長他到最後判斷說停班停課的最大依據是什麼\n是不是還是我們氣象署所提供的一個氣象預報對 通常在過去的跟地方政府的交流過程裡面我們提供風力跟雨量的預報在颱風來臨之前這個對地方政府在宣布停搬停革是一個很重要的依據\n所以地方政府很重要一句是從氣象組這邊來的那這也是科學數據 對不對就是科學有一說有二說如果說真的有到達一定的一個指標有危險之餘的話該停班就要停班 該停課就要停課那但是現在變成是說很多國人有覺得是以前從一開始的時候是中央政府來宣布那可能當然會覺得是說那沒有因地制宜但到地方政府來宣布的時候可能大家難免也會就變成是首長\n他有他的压力甚至大家会觉得是说你帅不帅来决定那所以也有人在讨论是说有个声音是说那既然您刚也直接讲了地方首长的预报其实都是来自气象署的气象预报那也有人在讨论说那是不是还是一样回归到中央主管机关来去做一个停班停课的一个预告第一不会有任何的\n壓力或考量 那氣象署就本於專業來去做一個判斷 您認為呢\n停班停課的决策的确是很困难气象只是其中的一个因素气象里面大概考量的因素有两个一个是锋利的因素你刚刚都讲过本席也就请教您地方首长决策的依据是什么您刚刚也说了就是从气象组的气象预报现在本席就讲如果说看数字然后判断其实这样子国人不会有任何争议也更避免\n任何人来做 以前说要造神明明这个中南部就有人\n大家都放假那就只有一個首長沒放假結果沒想到大家就說他是什麼神什麼神那其實本席也不樂見這樣的一個狀況因為這樣子就代表是說還是有人質的因素在裡面但實際上您剛也提到了就是說我們要預防的是讓國人不要有安危不要因為上班上課而造成他的一個外出的一個安危那如果說風力達到標準雨量達到標準那大家也講是說台灣其實也確實不大那也有生活圈的一個考量那是不是就由氣象署這邊統一來做一個發布\n大家看譬如說十點鐘看氣象署發布之後大家就各自可以去準備明天到底上班或不上班您認為呢\n地方政府的考量氣象是一個因素之一那生活圈是一個因素之一那另外在水電維生部分氣象的環境的因素之外有沒有其他因素其實這個不是氣象署能夠從天氣的角度去看待這件事情所以背後還有一些其他因素氣象署說不知道我們也相信這個是很專業的\n很專業所以其實地方首長如果判斷放不放假停不停班其實也不能講放假啦說實在我們講的是停班停課啦停班停課他其實是很專業而且也是通盤考量如果說確實有就如同您剛剛講的氣象也只是一個指標如果說真的有到達風力或是水量但是不至於有影響到安危以及通盤的考量\n如果真的他到時候決定說不停班停課的話那也是尊重那個地方首長的專業是不是 是的好 這樣我了解了所以真的計帳署今天很專業我們也溝通對話其實大家也講真的有些時候我們也要持續的跟民眾來溝通就不是說哪一個首長帥或哪一個首長不帥他放假就很帥他不放假就不帥\n我覺得這也不是那還有就是說我們之前一直強調就是說即便是停班停課它不是放假所以大家不要說晚上八點宣布了明天停班停課結果KTV訂滿電影院爆滿百貨公司爆滿我想這也是我們不樂見的狀況嘛是不是好最後一分鐘我想也請教一下\n因為現在夏天也越來越長雖然冬天現在開始冷了可是之前我們一直有提過所謂的高溫假那也有人也有委員就有講是說應該要把高溫氣象法修法的時候把高溫假納入災害性的天氣未來發布高溫資訊或是高溫特報那我請教啊現在有委員的版本也提出來了但是氣象署不是說之前要修正預告草案今年要上路到目前呢\n是的我們的草案目前已經報到部裡面了那目前在部裡面還有稍微的文字的調整來 那跟市長有相關不然不好意思請您來都還沒有讓您回答市長不是說之前就已經預告期那預告期完之後就要送出來不然我們等一下氣象法要修正的時候沒有辦法有院版來討論啊\n包委員還沒有預告那預告後我們會把各單位的意見歸納以後氣象署修完整理完再報到法治處那這樣速度會不會太慢了一點點因為我們之前不就已經有講你看之前就有講說氣象署要著手修氣象法並且預告60天再送布再送院還要送過來那朝委都已經\n那麼間集旅集的排我們氣象法的修正了那你不利用這個時候我們不一起來修正討論那不然我們要怎麼樣是 謝委員因為各方意見還蠻多的尤其是各個專業團體所以我們大概氣象組修完以後會在11月來處理預告的所以對高溫價來講政府是有保留的態度嗎我們贊成這個方向贊成這個方向但是像你具體的作為做法以及你的標準是什麼總是要讓國人知道啊\n所謂的高溫價是根據溫度來判斷它是不同紅成黃但是各個地方要做什麼樣的作為可能還得人事單位跟政府部門來統一考量這只是說它溫度的高度譬如說黃是36度以上那紅色是38度以上市長我都可以理解就像剛剛署長講的就是說\n即便是停班停課大家比較國人熟悉的就是颱風的部分風力到達一定標準雨量到達一定標準但是到時候放不放假也要考量說是不是颱風真的有登陸以及有沒有影響到國人的安危嘛\n那一樣氣溫價高溫價之前討論也是說到一定的程度但是高溫其實有兩個部分一個是戶外工作的民眾跟做辦公室工作的民眾其實他的感受體感溫度就不一樣那還有他的危險程度也不一樣但至少你的高溫價定義標準到底是幾度是高溫還是幾度你建議要放假那這總是應該要還有就是我們氣象法現在在修法的過程裡面你總是要把願板拿出來啊\n不是嗎我跟委員報告一下氣象法還是很困難沒有辦法定把高溫入到我們氣象法裡面是第一步就是把它放到災害性天氣區放到災害性天氣區其實相關的一些單位需要去配合有關氣候高溫調適的部分他們就有一個法源去做適當的調適\n那至於說其實高溫對各行各業的影響程式都不大一樣那會影響到在中午對待時因為它跟颱風那種下雨不大一樣是一整天的那它只是中午的時候會比較熱在這個時候調適的過程有這個法出來之後我們會跟相關的一些災防單位去研理說怎麼樣去發布署長你還是沒有回答本席的問題你講的都是我的問題\n你只是重複把我的問題再重複一遍就是說我們都理解這個狀態所以但是最終決定因為你們是專業單位本身也尊重氣象署的專業但是我們現在要討論說到底多少溫度因為現在極端氣候以前可能35度以上很少見大家已經覺得熱了\n但現在可能40度比比皆是那到底我們譬如說定高溫是到幾度是一個標準是高溫那還有就是說你們未來在氣象法修法的時候討論那要不要把它提出來還是能拖就拖能過就過跟委員報告以拖待變目前我們的定義是以人體的感受在36度的時候人體是37度嘛36度的時候我們會提注意大家要注意所以那時候我們會發黃色的燈號\n那橙色的燈他說我們開始做預警了所謂的預警就是說你的現在溫度已經到達我們人體的溫度37度了如果高於37度 38度的話我們就會發行動的燈號出來紅色的燈號這個時候相對應的單位可能就要配合有一些配套措施出來那我剛剛跟委員報告這些後面的配套措施每一個單位其實的執行都不大一樣好 那即便現在我看起來是來不及如果說這個會期早晚要\n修正氣象法的話你們可能也來不及把願板送出來但至少是不是相關的指引或是相關的這一些你剛剛講的不要說只是用講的而是應該訂出標準我覺得也可以給現在在戶外工作的勞工朋友或是僱主或者是地方政府有參考可循如果說明年五月六月真的到達一定程度高溫的時候該市井要市井該住一要住一這可以做到吧\n是的 我們來努力那就目前來指氣象組隊高溫有發布高溫即時訊息出來是 但最重要的是對 那如果說大家期待的是說你什麼時候要把這個標準訂出來以及不要一直講說要有高溫架高溫架但是實際上根本沒有標準或是說根本沒有推動的一個時程是這點本市也會持續的關注是 好不好謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.028 --> 00:07.035\n主席謝謝麻煩請我們呂署長跟林次長請次長跟署長\n\n00:17.946 --> 00:40.042\n早安我們想今天針對氣象法的一個修法那本席也先就教一下因為看到是說我們現在接下來有可能有一個中台已經成形是海鷗那雖然說他沒有直接清台的一個可能性但是我們也看到說氣象署有發布說現在南方還有低壓持續的有可能會有颱風的一個成形\n\n00:40.542 --> 00:56.353\n那是不是現在已經11月了其實說實在話大家以往就覺得說11月這個颱風相對應該是比較少那未來還有可能成台的一個狀況是不是也代表說現在我們面對極端氣候越來越顯著是不是可以說明一下\n\n01:00.208 --> 01:20.945\n就目前的形態來看其實在全球暖化的過程裡面颱風的樣態的確是強度看起來有逐漸的有比較強的趨勢因為全球暖化的過程裡面海平面的溫度也升高海平面的溫度升高通常也會使得颱風的強度增強\n\n01:21.725 --> 01:36.992\n所以強度的增加目前看起來是有一定的趨勢在往下走頻率也有可能增加颱風的頻率來看的話其實跟很多因素有關係跟太平洋的環境還有森林的環境其實都有很大的關係當然海面是\n\n01:37.752 --> 02:06.609\n主要的因素那至于说台风的个数其实年纪变化相当的大那有一些年份的台风就比较多有一些年份的台风比较小但是有一些趋势就是说其实前几年其实秋台的量不多不过最近几年秋台的量又逐渐的变多起来所以有一些主要原因是什么有一些十年纪的变化那些十年纪的变化的因素可能就很多了有时候声音的变化\n\n02:06.929 --> 02:32.345\n所以有辦法有規律可循嗎本席現在就講是說既然我們成立了就是從氣象局變氣象署那還有就是說我們也現在您也看到說近幾年秋台變多那今年其實我們台灣真的受到颱風影響非常的大不管是花蓮桃雨然後不管是我們中南部那本席也想要了解的是說有沒有機會先預告或說先警示可能未來這種颱風的狀況我們有規則可循\n\n02:35.267 --> 02:56.834\n國人可以提早去做因應這一部分通常今年的颱風可能通常我們往前看的這些因子通常都是在勝因年在前一年的勝因的情況關係的因素是最大的所以我們在每一年的在六月底我們會對當年的颱風的個數會去做一些用最新的預報去做預估對\n\n02:57.614 --> 03:03.722\n那這些預估的情況我們會開記者會去跟民眾說明這些事情我想請教上一次颱風在11月的時候還有颱風來侵襲到台灣本島是什麼時候\n\n03:08.927 --> 03:32.427\n去年就有颱風來侵襲過11月在台灣本島有侵襲到台灣的本島有發颱風警報但是並沒有直接登陸也沒有到路上登陸不一定登陸但是其實秋台這個影響對我們台灣來講應該是直接影響就是北部跟東部的降雨比較多\n\n03:32.867 --> 03:55.539\n本席要強調的是因為查了一個資料從去年在之前在更之前11月有颱風如果說以正式紀錄的話應該是1967年了滿早之前那去年當然有11月的一個颱風那但是本席現在也是針對我們不管是氣象法不管是氣象數我們已經升格那就是期待是說有更精準的一個預報\n\n03:56.979 --> 04:16.553\n讓國人都可以防範未然嗎我想這是我們共同面臨到台灣是我們生活的土地所以我們一定要好好的防範未然是吧這也是我們在整個氣候變遷的過程裡面氣象署的扮演的一些角色好所以講到這個部分其實大家就提到了就是說所謂的颱風停班停課的狀況因為\n\n04:18.254 --> 04:33.068\n很多人也在講就是說停班停課其實中關很多的考量跟因素還有最後這絕對不是說一個首長帥不帥來決定說他到底要不要停班停課嘛那其實首長他到最後判斷說停班停課的最大依據是什麼\n\n04:34.305 --> 04:50.562\n是不是還是我們氣象署所提供的一個氣象預報對通常在過去的跟地方政府的交流過程裡面我們提供風力跟雨量的預報在颱風來臨之前這個對地方政府在宣布停搬停革是一個很重要的依據\n\n04:50.942 --> 05:18.355\n所以地方政府很重要一句是從氣象組這邊來的那這也是科學數據對不對就是科學有一說有二說如果說真的有到達一定的一個指標有危險之餘的話該停班就要停班該停課就要停課那但是現在變成是說很多國人有覺得是以前從一開始的時候是中央政府來宣布那可能當然會覺得是說那沒有因地制宜但到地方政府來宣布的時候可能大家難免也會就變成是首長\n\n05:19.215 --> 05:42.353\n他有他的压力甚至大家会觉得是说你帅不帅来决定那所以也有人在讨论是说有个声音是说那既然您刚也直接讲了地方首长的预报其实都是来自气象署的气象预报那也有人在讨论说那是不是还是一样回归到中央主管机关来去做一个停班停课的一个预告第一不会有任何的\n\n05:43.731 --> 05:48.426\n壓力或考量那氣象署就本於專業來去做一個判斷您認為呢\n\n05:50.697 --> 06:17.184\n停班停課的决策的确是很困难气象只是其中的一个因素气象里面大概考量的因素有两个一个是锋利的因素你刚刚都讲过本席也就请教您地方首长决策的依据是什么您刚刚也说了就是从气象组的气象预报现在本席就讲如果说看数字然后判断其实这样子国人不会有任何争议也更避免\n\n06:17.924 --> 06:22.842\n任何人来做以前说要造神明明这个中南部就有人\n\n06:23.496 --> 06:52.860\n大家都放假那就只有一個首長沒放假結果沒想到大家就說他是什麼神什麼神那其實本席也不樂見這樣的一個狀況因為這樣子就代表是說還是有人質的因素在裡面但實際上您剛也提到了就是說我們要預防的是讓國人不要有安危不要因為上班上課而造成他的一個外出的一個安危那如果說風力達到標準雨量達到標準那大家也講是說台灣其實也確實不大那也有生活圈的一個考量那是不是就由氣象署這邊統一來做一個發布\n\n06:53.260 --> 07:01.279\n大家看譬如說十點鐘看氣象署發布之後大家就各自可以去準備明天到底上班或不上班您認為呢\n\n07:03.254 --> 07:22.566\n地方政府的考量氣象是一個因素之一那生活圈是一個因素之一那另外在水電維生部分氣象的環境的因素之外有沒有其他因素其實這個不是氣象署能夠從天氣的角度去看待這件事情所以背後還有一些其他因素氣象署說不知道我們也相信這個是很專業的\n\n07:23.446 --> 07:47.965\n很專業所以其實地方首長如果判斷放不放假停不停班其實也不能講放假啦說實在我們講的是停班停課啦停班停課他其實是很專業而且也是通盤考量如果說確實有就如同您剛剛講的氣象也只是一個指標如果說真的有到達風力或是水量但是不至於有影響到安危以及通盤的考量\n\n07:48.285 --> 08:08.934\n如果真的他到時候決定說不停班停課的話那也是尊重那個地方首長的專業是不是是的好這樣我了解了所以真的計帳署今天很專業我們也溝通對話其實大家也講真的有些時候我們也要持續的跟民眾來溝通就不是說哪一個首長帥或哪一個首長不帥他放假就很帥他不放假就不帥\n\n08:09.474 --> 08:27.635\n我覺得這也不是那還有就是說我們之前一直強調就是說即便是停班停課它不是放假所以大家不要說晚上八點宣布了明天停班停課結果KTV訂滿電影院爆滿百貨公司爆滿我想這也是我們不樂見的狀況嘛是不是好最後一分鐘我想也請教一下\n\n08:29.295 --> 08:55.801\n因為現在夏天也越來越長雖然冬天現在開始冷了可是之前我們一直有提過所謂的高溫假那也有人也有委員就有講是說應該要把高溫氣象法修法的時候把高溫假納入災害性的天氣未來發布高溫資訊或是高溫特報那我請教啊現在有委員的版本也提出來了但是氣象署不是說之前要修正預告草案今年要上路到目前呢\n\n08:56.261 --> 09:15.683\n是的我們的草案目前已經報到部裡面了那目前在部裡面還有稍微的文字的調整來那跟市長有相關不然不好意思請您來都還沒有讓您回答市長不是說之前就已經預告期那預告期完之後就要送出來不然我們等一下氣象法要修正的時候沒有辦法有院版來討論啊\n\n09:17.486 --> 09:40.282\n包委員還沒有預告那預告後我們會把各單位的意見歸納以後氣象署修完整理完再報到法治處那這樣速度會不會太慢了一點點因為我們之前不就已經有講你看之前就有講說氣象署要著手修氣象法並且預告60天再送布再送院還要送過來那朝委都已經\n\n09:41.826 --> 10:10.098\n那麼間集旅集的排我們氣象法的修正了那你不利用這個時候我們不一起來修正討論那不然我們要怎麼樣是謝委員因為各方意見還蠻多的尤其是各個專業團體所以我們大概氣象組修完以後會在11月來處理預告的所以對高溫價來講政府是有保留的態度嗎我們贊成這個方向贊成這個方向但是像你具體的作為做法以及你的標準是什麼總是要讓國人知道啊\n\n10:11.416 --> 10:32.901\n所謂的高溫價是根據溫度來判斷它是不同紅成黃但是各個地方要做什麼樣的作為可能還得人事單位跟政府部門來統一考量這只是說它溫度的高度譬如說黃是36度以上那紅色是38度以上市長我都可以理解就像剛剛署長講的就是說\n\n10:35.177 --> 10:48.070\n即便是停班停課大家比較國人熟悉的就是颱風的部分風力到達一定標準雨量到達一定標準但是到時候放不放假也要考量說是不是颱風真的有登陸以及有沒有影響到國人的安危嘛\n\n10:48.595 --> 11:17.362\n那一樣氣溫價高溫價之前討論也是說到一定的程度但是高溫其實有兩個部分一個是戶外工作的民眾跟做辦公室工作的民眾其實他的感受體感溫度就不一樣那還有他的危險程度也不一樣但至少你的高溫價定義標準到底是幾度是高溫還是幾度你建議要放假那這總是應該要還有就是我們氣象法現在在修法的過程裡面你總是要把願板拿出來啊\n\n11:19.515 --> 11:38.558\n不是嗎我跟委員報告一下氣象法還是很困難沒有辦法定把高溫入到我們氣象法裡面是第一步就是把它放到災害性天氣區放到災害性天氣區其實相關的一些單位需要去配合有關氣候高溫調適的部分他們就有一個法源去做適當的調適\n\n11:39.879 --> 12:00.509\n那至於說其實高溫對各行各業的影響程式都不大一樣那會影響到在中午對待時因為它跟颱風那種下雨不大一樣是一整天的那它只是中午的時候會比較熱在這個時候調適的過程有這個法出來之後我們會跟相關的一些災防單位去研理說怎麼樣去發布署長你還是沒有回答本席的問題你講的都是我的問題\n\n12:01.449 --> 12:18.746\n你只是重複把我的問題再重複一遍就是說我們都理解這個狀態所以但是最終決定因為你們是專業單位本身也尊重氣象署的專業但是我們現在要討論說到底多少溫度因為現在極端氣候以前可能35度以上很少見大家已經覺得熱了\n\n12:19.747 --> 12:43.785\n但現在可能40度比比皆是那到底我們譬如說定高溫是到幾度是一個標準是高溫那還有就是說你們未來在氣象法修法的時候討論那要不要把它提出來還是能拖就拖能過就過跟委員報告以拖待變目前我們的定義是以人體的感受在36度的時候人體是37度嘛36度的時候我們會提注意大家要注意所以那時候我們會發黃色的燈號\n\n12:45.606 --> 13:12.574\n那橙色的燈他說我們開始做預警了所謂的預警就是說你的現在溫度已經到達我們人體的溫度37度了如果高於37度38度的話我們就會發行動的燈號出來紅色的燈號這個時候相對應的單位可能就要配合有一些配套措施出來那我剛剛跟委員報告這些後面的配套措施每一個單位其實的執行都不大一樣好那即便現在我看起來是來不及如果說這個會期早晚要\n\n13:13.274 --> 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以前说要造神明明这个中南部就有人"},{"start":383.496,"end":412.86,"text":"大家都放假那就只有一個首長沒放假結果沒想到大家就說他是什麼神什麼神那其實本席也不樂見這樣的一個狀況因為這樣子就代表是說還是有人質的因素在裡面但實際上您剛也提到了就是說我們要預防的是讓國人不要有安危不要因為上班上課而造成他的一個外出的一個安危那如果說風力達到標準雨量達到標準那大家也講是說台灣其實也確實不大那也有生活圈的一個考量那是不是就由氣象署這邊統一來做一個發布"},{"start":413.26,"end":421.279,"text":"大家看譬如說十點鐘看氣象署發布之後大家就各自可以去準備明天到底上班或不上班您認為呢"},{"start":423.254,"end":442.566,"text":"地方政府的考量氣象是一個因素之一那生活圈是一個因素之一那另外在水電維生部分氣象的環境的因素之外有沒有其他因素其實這個不是氣象署能夠從天氣的角度去看待這件事情所以背後還有一些其他因素氣象署說不知道我們也相信這個是很專業的"},{"start":443.446,"end":467.965,"text":"很專業所以其實地方首長如果判斷放不放假停不停班其實也不能講放假啦說實在我們講的是停班停課啦停班停課他其實是很專業而且也是通盤考量如果說確實有就如同您剛剛講的氣象也只是一個指標如果說真的有到達風力或是水量但是不至於有影響到安危以及通盤的考量"},{"start":468.285,"end":488.934,"text":"如果真的他到時候決定說不停班停課的話那也是尊重那個地方首長的專業是不是 是的好 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謝委員因為各方意見還蠻多的尤其是各個專業團體所以我們大概氣象組修完以後會在11月來處理預告的所以對高溫價來講政府是有保留的態度嗎我們贊成這個方向贊成這個方向但是像你具體的作為做法以及你的標準是什麼總是要讓國人知道啊"},{"start":611.416,"end":632.901,"text":"所謂的高溫價是根據溫度來判斷它是不同紅成黃但是各個地方要做什麼樣的作為可能還得人事單位跟政府部門來統一考量這只是說它溫度的高度譬如說黃是36度以上那紅色是38度以上市長我都可以理解就像剛剛署長講的就是說"},{"start":635.177,"end":648.07,"text":"即便是停班停課大家比較國人熟悉的就是颱風的部分風力到達一定標準雨量到達一定標準但是到時候放不放假也要考量說是不是颱風真的有登陸以及有沒有影響到國人的安危嘛"},{"start":648.595,"end":677.362,"text":"那一樣氣溫價高溫價之前討論也是說到一定的程度但是高溫其實有兩個部分一個是戶外工作的民眾跟做辦公室工作的民眾其實他的感受體感溫度就不一樣那還有他的危險程度也不一樣但至少你的高溫價定義標準到底是幾度是高溫還是幾度你建議要放假那這總是應該要還有就是我們氣象法現在在修法的過程裡面你總是要把願板拿出來啊"},{"start":679.515,"end":698.558,"text":"不是嗎我跟委員報告一下氣象法還是很困難沒有辦法定把高溫入到我們氣象法裡面是第一步就是把它放到災害性天氣區放到災害性天氣區其實相關的一些單位需要去配合有關氣候高溫調適的部分他們就有一個法源去做適當的調適"},{"start":699.879,"end":720.509,"text":"那至於說其實高溫對各行各業的影響程式都不大一樣那會影響到在中午對待時因為它跟颱風那種下雨不大一樣是一整天的那它只是中午的時候會比較熱在這個時候調適的過程有這個法出來之後我們會跟相關的一些災防單位去研理說怎麼樣去發布署長你還是沒有回答本席的問題你講的都是我的問題"},{"start":721.449,"end":738.746,"text":"你只是重複把我的問題再重複一遍就是說我們都理解這個狀態所以但是最終決定因為你們是專業單位本身也尊重氣象署的專業但是我們現在要討論說到底多少溫度因為現在極端氣候以前可能35度以上很少見大家已經覺得熱了"},{"start":739.747,"end":763.785,"text":"但現在可能40度比比皆是那到底我們譬如說定高溫是到幾度是一個標準是高溫那還有就是說你們未來在氣象法修法的時候討論那要不要把它提出來還是能拖就拖能過就過跟委員報告以拖待變目前我們的定義是以人體的感受在36度的時候人體是37度嘛36度的時候我們會提注意大家要注意所以那時候我們會發黃色的燈號"},{"start":765.606,"end":792.574,"text":"那橙色的燈他說我們開始做預警了所謂的預警就是說你的現在溫度已經到達我們人體的溫度37度了如果高於37度 38度的話我們就會發行動的燈號出來紅色的燈號這個時候相對應的單位可能就要配合有一些配套措施出來那我剛剛跟委員報告這些後面的配套措施每一個單位其實的執行都不大一樣好 那即便現在我看起來是來不及如果說這個會期早晚要"},{"start":793.274,"end":820.238,"text":"修正氣象法的話你們可能也來不及把願板送出來但至少是不是相關的指引或是相關的這一些你剛剛講的不要說只是用講的而是應該訂出標準我覺得也可以給現在在戶外工作的勞工朋友或是僱主或者是地方政府有參考可循如果說明年五月六月真的到達一定程度高溫的時候該市井要市井該住一要住一這可以做到吧"},{"start":820.996,"end":845.325,"text":"是的 我們來努力那就目前來指氣象組隊高溫有發布高溫即時訊息出來是 但最重要的是對 那如果說大家期待的是說你什麼時候要把這個標準訂出來以及不要一直講說要有高溫架高溫架但是實際上根本沒有標準或是說根本沒有推動的一個時程是這點本市也會持續的關注是 好不好謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":69,"blocks":[["洪委員孟楷：（9時12分）主席謝謝，麻煩請呂署長跟林次長。"],["主席：請次長跟署長。"],["林次長國顯：召委早。"],["洪委員孟楷：早安。今天針對氣象法的修法，本席先就教一下，因為看到的是接下來有一個中颱已經成形，是海鷗，雖然它沒有直接侵臺的可能性，但是我們也看到氣象署有發布現在南方還有低壓持續發展，有可能會有颱風成形。現在已經11月了，說實在話，大家以往覺得11月颱風相對應該是比較少，但未來還有可能成颱的狀況，是不是也代表現在我們面對的極端氣候越來越顯著？是不是可以說明一下？"],["呂署長國臣：召委好。就目前的型態來看，其實在全球暖化的過程裡面，颱風的態樣看起來強度的確是有逐漸比較強的趨勢，因為全球暖化的過程裡面，海平面的溫度升高，而海平面的溫度升高通常也會使得颱風的強度增強，所以強度的增加目前看起來是有一定的趨勢在往下走。"],["洪委員孟楷：頻率也有可能增加？"],["呂署長國臣：以颱風的頻率來看的話，其實跟很多因素有關係，跟太平洋的環境，還有聖嬰的環境，都有很大的關係，當然海面是主要的因素。至於颱風的個數，其實年際變化相當的大，有一些年份的颱風就會比較多，有一些年份的颱風比較少，但有一些趨勢就是前幾年秋颱的量不多，不過最近幾年秋颱的量又逐漸變多起來，所以有一些……"],["洪委員孟楷：主要原因是什麼？"],["呂署長國臣：有一些是年代際的變化，而年代際變化的因素可能就很多了，像有時候聖嬰的變化……"],["洪委員孟楷：有辦法有規律可循嗎？本席現在講的是既然你們從氣象局變氣象署，還有您也看到近幾年秋颱變多，今年臺灣真的受到颱風影響非常大，不管是花蓮豪雨，或者是中南部。本席想要了解的是，有沒有機會先預告或是先警示，未來颱風的狀況可以有規則可循，讓國人提早因應？"],["呂署長國臣：這一部分，今年的颱風……我們往前看這些因子，通常都是在聖嬰年、在前一年的聖嬰的情況關係的因素是最大的，所以我們在每一年的6月底，我們會對當年颱風的個數會去做一些……"],["洪委員孟楷：預估。"],["呂署長國臣：用最新的預報去預估，至於預估的情況，我們會開記者會跟民眾說明這些現象。"],["洪委員孟楷：我想請教，上一次在11月還有颱風侵襲到臺灣本島是什麼時候？"],["呂署長國臣：去年在11月就有颱風來侵襲過。"],["洪委員孟楷：在臺灣本島？"],["呂署長國臣：有侵襲到臺灣本島，有發颱風警報，但是並沒有直接登陸。"],["洪委員孟楷：也沒有直接登陸？"],["呂署長國臣：不一定登陸……但是秋颱對臺灣來講，直接影響應該就是北部跟東部的降雨比較多。"],["洪委員孟楷：好，本席要強調的是，因為我查了一個資料，去年之外，如果在更之前有11月颱風的正式紀錄，應該是1967年了，滿早之前。去年當然有11月的颱風，但是本席現在也是針對不管是氣象法、不管是氣象署，既然已經升格，就是期待有更精準的預報，讓國人都可以防患未然，我想這是我們要共同面臨的。臺灣是我們生活的土地，所以我們一定要好好的防患未然，是吧？"],["呂署長國臣：是，這也是在整個氣候變遷的過程裡面，氣象署所扮演的一些角色。"],["洪委員孟楷：好，所以講到這個部分，其實大家就提到了颱風停班停課的狀況，因為很多人也在講，停班停課其實是綜觀很多的考量跟因素，還有最後，這絕對不是說用一個首長帥不帥來決定他到底要不要停班停課嘛！其實首長到最後判斷停班停課的最大依據是什麼？是不是還是氣象署所提供的氣象預報？"],["呂署長國臣：對，通常在過去跟地方政府的交流過程裡面，我們提供風力跟雨量的預報，在颱風來臨之前，這個對地方政府在宣布停班停課是一個很重要的依據。"],["洪委員孟楷：所以地方政府很重要依據是從氣象署來的，這也是科學數據，對不對？"],["呂署長國臣：是的。"],["洪委員孟楷：科學就是有一說一，有二說二，如果真的有到達一定的指標，有危險之虞的話，該停班就要停班，該停課就要停課。但是現在變成很多國人覺得，以前、一開始時是中央政府來宣布，可能會覺得沒有因地制宜，但到地方政府來宣布的時候，可能難免也會變成首長有壓力，甚至大家會用「你帥不帥」來決定。所以也有人在討論，有個聲音說……既然您剛剛也直接講了，地方首長的預報其實都是來自氣象署的氣象預報，也有人在討論說是不是還是一樣回歸到中央主管機關去做停班停課的預告呢？第一，不會有任何的壓力或考量，氣象署就本於專業去判斷。您認為呢？"],["呂署長國臣：停班停課的決策的確是很困難，氣象只是其中的一個因素，而氣象裡面大概考量的因素有兩個，一個是風力的因素，一個是降雨的因素……"],["洪委員孟楷：是，你剛剛都講過，本席也就請教您，地方首長決策的依據是什麼？您剛剛也說了，就是從氣象署的氣象預報，所以現在本席就講，如果看數字判斷，其實這樣國人不會有任何爭議，也更避免任何人來做……以前說要造神，明明中南部大家都放假，就只有一個首長沒放假，結果沒想到大家就說他是什麼神，其實本席也不樂見這樣的狀況啦！因為這樣子就代表還是有人治的因素在裡面，但實際上您剛剛也提到了，我們要預防的是讓國人不要有危險，不要因為上班、上課而造成他外出的危險，如果說風力達到標準，雨量達標準，大家也講臺灣確實不大，也有生活圈的考量，那是不是就由氣象署統一來發布？譬如10點鐘，大家看氣象署發布之後，就可以各自去準備明天到底上班或不上班，您認為呢？"],["呂署長國臣：地方政府的考量，氣象是因素之一，生活圈也是因素之一，至於在水電維生部分、氣象環境的因素之外，有沒有其他因素？其實不是氣象署能夠從天氣的角度去看待這件事情，背後還有一些氣象署不知道的其他因素，我們也相信這個是很專業的。"],["洪委員孟楷：很專業？"],["呂署長國臣：對。"],["洪委員孟楷：地方首長判斷放不放假、停不停班，也不能講放假，說實在，我們講的是停班停課，停班停課其實是很專業，而且也是通盤考量。就如同你剛剛講的，氣象也只是一個指標，如果真的風力或是雨量有達標，但是不至於有影響到安危，並經通盤的考量，如果到時候他真的決定不停班停課的話，也是尊重那個地方首長的專業，是不是？"],["呂署長國臣：是的。"],["洪委員孟楷：好，這樣我了解了。氣象署真的很專業，我們今天也做了溝通對話，說真的，有些時候我們也要持續地跟民眾溝通，不是哪一個首長帥或哪一個首長不帥，放假就很帥不放假就不帥，我覺得這也不是。還有，我們之前一直強調即便是停班停課也不是放假，所以大家不要晚上8點宣布隔天停班停課，結果KTV訂滿、電影院爆滿、百貨公司爆滿，我想這也是我們不樂見的狀況，是不是？"],["呂署長國臣：是的。"],["洪委員孟楷：好，最後一分鐘，我想請教一下，現在夏季越來越長，雖然即將入冬，現在開始冷了，可是之前我們一直有提過所謂的高溫假，也有委員說應該在修正氣象法的時候把高溫假納入災害性天氣，未來發布高溫資訊或是高溫特報。署長，現在有委員也提出來版本了，但是氣象署不是說之前會預告草案，今年要上路，目前呢？"],["呂署長國臣：是的，我們的草案目前報到部裡面了，在部裡面做稍微的文字調整之後，我們就會報……"],["洪委員孟楷：來，這跟次長有相關，不然不好意思，請你上來都沒有讓你回答。"],["林次長國顯：謝謝委員的關心。"],["洪委員孟楷：次長，不是說之前就已經預告期，預告期完之後就要送出來，不然我們審查氣象法修正案的時候沒有院版來一起討論啊！"],["林次長國顯：報告委員，還沒有預告，預告後我們會把各單位的意見歸納，氣象署修完、整理完再報到法制處……"],["洪委員孟楷：這樣速度會不會太慢了一點點？"],["林次長國顯：因為裡面很多團體的意見……"],["洪委員孟楷：我們之前不就已經有講過，之前說氣象署要著手修氣象法，並且預告60天再送部、再送院，然後要送過來。召委都已經劍及履及的排氣象法修正案的審議，你不利用這個時候一起來修正討論，不然我們要怎麼樣？"],["林次長國顯：是，謝謝委員，因為各方意見還滿多的，尤其是各個專業團體，所以氣象署修完以後，會在11月來處理預告的過程。"],["洪委員孟楷：以高溫假來講，政府是持保留的態度嗎？"],["林次長國顯：我們贊成這個方向。"],["洪委員孟楷：贊成這個方向？但是你們具體的作為、作法以及標準是什麼，總是要讓國人知道啊！"],["林次長國顯：所謂的高溫假，我們根據溫度判斷後發布不同的紅、橙、黃等燈號，但是各個地方要做什麼樣的作為，可能還必須由人事單位跟政府部門來統一考量，這只是溫度的高度，譬如黃燈是36度以上，紅燈是38度以上。"],["洪委員孟楷：次長，我都可以理解，就像剛剛署長講的，即便是停班停課，國人熟悉的就是颱風的部分，風力到達一定標準、雨量到達一定標準，但是到時候放不放假，也要考量是不是颱風真的有登陸以及有沒有影響到國人的安危。一樣的，氣溫假、高溫假，之前討論也是說到一定的程度，但是高溫其實有兩個部分，在戶外工作的民眾跟坐公室工作的民眾，其實他們的感受、體感溫度就不一樣，還有它的危險程度也不一樣，但至少你的高溫假定義標準到底幾度是高溫或幾度建議要放假，這總是應該要……還有，在氣象法現在修法的過程裡面，你總是要把院板拿出來，不是嗎？"],["呂署長國臣：跟委員報告一下，氣象法把……"],["洪委員孟楷：還是很困難，沒有辦法定？"],["呂署長國臣：把高溫入到氣象法裡面是第一步，就是把它放到災害性天氣，放到災害性天氣後，相關的一些單位需要配合有關氣候高溫做調適的時候，他們就有一個法源去做適當的調適。其實高溫對各行各業的影響層次都不大一樣，會影響到的大概是在中午這段時間，這跟颱風那種下雨一整天不大一樣，它只是中午的時候會比較熱，這個時候的調適過程，有這個法出來之後，我們會跟相關的一些災防單位研擬怎麼樣去發布……"],["洪委員孟楷：署長，你還是沒有回答本席的問題，你講的都是我的問題，你只是把我的問題再重複一遍。我們都理解這個狀態，但是最終決定……因為你們是專業單位，本席也尊重氣象署的專業，但是我們現在要討論的是到底多少溫度為標準，因為現在是極端氣候，以前可能35度以上很少見，大家就已經覺得熱了，但現在可能40度比比皆是，到底我們定的高溫是以幾度作為高溫的標準？還有未來你們在氣象法修法的討論時要不要把它提出來？還是能拖就拖、能過就過？以拖待變。"],["呂署長國臣：跟委員報告，目前我們的定義是以人體的感受為準，人體是37度，所以36度的時候我們會提醒，請大家要注意，那時候我們會發黃色的燈號；橙色的燈號是我們開始做預警了，所謂的預警就是現在溫度已經到達人體的溫度37度了；如果高於37度，到38度的話，我們就會發行動的燈號出來，也就是紅色的燈號，這個時候相對應的單位可能就要配合有些配套措施出來。我剛剛跟委員報告的是，這些後面的配套措施每一個單位的執行都不大一樣，我們後續會來做這些事情……"],["洪委員孟楷：即便現在……我看起來是來不及，如果這個會期召委要修正氣象法的話，你們可能也來不及把院版送出來，但至少是不是相關指引或是相關這些你剛剛所講的，不要只是用講的，而是應該訂出標準，我覺得也可以給縣在在戶外工作的勞工、朋友或是雇主或者是地方政府有參考可循。如果說明年5月、6月真的到達一定程度高溫的時候，該示警要示警、該注意要注意，這可以做到吧？"],["呂署長國臣：是，我們來努力。就目前來講，氣象署就高溫有發布高溫即時訊息出來，如果說……"],["洪委員孟楷：是，但最重要的是，大家期待的是你什麼時候要把這個標準訂出來，以及不要一直說要有高溫假、高溫假，但是實際上根本沒有標準或是根本沒有推動的時程。"],["呂署長國臣：是。"],["洪委員孟楷：這點本席也會持續的關注，好不好？"],["呂署長國臣：是，謝謝委員。"],["洪委員孟楷：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝洪孟楷召委發言完畢。","我們先來確定上次會議議事錄。請問各位委員，針對上次會議議事錄有沒有意見？（無）好，議事錄確定。","現在請林國成委員發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