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00:01:37,124\n所以這就是他們要上修我們經濟成長率的主要的原因我在想我們會密切來關注因為我們在上一季的時候就在9月我們禮監事會的時候我們是估測是4.55但是從我剛剛所說的9月到10月到目前台灣的經濟的出口跟\n\n5\n00:01:47,028 --> 00:02:11,749\n投資都比預期的好所以我想我們12月會公布新的數據總裁我請問因為上修第四季經濟成長率和前年經濟成長率到底是原先預測失準還是明年經濟溫和成長的預測可能有正面的發展變化是不是這樣子\n\n6\n00:02:13,229 --> 00:02:21,812\n應該也可以這麼說基本上因為一開始的時候所有的機構包括中央銀行也是一樣的我們都認為上半年是拉貨的效應美國關稅的一個政策的一個影響拉貨效應會比較好但是後半年大家都預測說拉貨的效應會逐漸縮減但是沒有\n\n7\n00:02:37,177 --> 00:02:52,231\n所以这个就是说为什么所有的机构呢纷纷最近包括ATB也把我们的那个经济成长率都把它上修了那至于就是说是明年呢明年呢也大部分也都认为是在介于2.5到3%之间\n\n8\n00:02:55,765 --> 00:03:18,024\n這樣喔那個總裁按照中間院的估算內容前年的GDP年增率5%當中有4%是來自AI相關那我請問總裁那是不是代表AI以外的國內產業很多都是衰退的是不是確實委員說的還有中間院說的也沒有錯\n\n9\n00:03:20,646 --> 00:03:27,668\n基本上就是說我們的出口主要的是電子自通訊產品它的出口非常的暢旺這個跟AI有關係\n\n10\n00:03:36,971 --> 00:03:39,013\n都是跟AI有關係嗎是跟AI有關係那傳統產業幾乎都AI那個傳統產業基本上到目前為止它的成長率overall我就說傳產overall它的成長率不高低於1%以下\n\n11\n00:03:58,163 --> 00:04:24,395\n總裁因為上修經濟成長率會不會太弱關還是全球經濟成長有反轉的趨勢台灣更是能夠獨步全球又或者現在只是衰退現象的延後未來還是要面對衰退的一個苦果以您看呢我具有的看法就是說一般現在我們如果說再仔細看一下各個機構的一個觀察\n\n12\n00:04:26,616 --> 00:04:43,577\n他都認為AI的發展他可能還是會持續下去還會下去是還會持續下去總裁因為川普對等關稅可以說這個政策攪亂了全球的經濟情勢\n\n13\n00:04:45,479 --> 00:05:14,483\n和台灣的對等關稅政策到現在也還沒有定案那中華民國的暫時關稅條件甚至於比日本比韓國這個還要差那有媒體報導說這個台美關稅談判傳出可能是以美規的車進口零關稅那全面開放美租等等的條件達成不疊加的稅率\n\n14\n00:05:15,665 --> 00:05:21,881\n那總裁要達到不疊加關稅的門檻就你的了解我們有什麼有利的籌碼\n\n15\n00:05:23,705 --> 00:05:45,980\n我想我們有利的籌碼如果說具有了解主要的還是就是說美國還是需要我們的有關AI的一個產品問題是那個總裁因為本席當然是期盼以目前執政的民進黨絕對不能犧牲國內的產業以全民的健康來簽訂喪權辱國的談判內容因為你要進美租\n\n16\n00:05:51,624 --> 00:05:58,652\n然後這個用我們很多的產業外移等等來做談判的內容根據\n\n17\n00:06:01,152 --> 00:06:26,067\n日前副總統蕭美琴接受加拿大廣播公司的專訪時表示台灣已承諾在美國投資晶片的產業不僅是台積電還包括整個生態系那總裁原本承諾的台積電投資的籌碼看起來沒有辦法去說服美國取得較好的關稅條件那我請問\n\n18\n00:06:27,188 --> 00:06:53,280\n那肖户总统的台积电生态系或是郑立军副院长的台湾模式你认为能够成就两国对等互利的关税谈判筹码吗报告委员我不是这一方面的专家不过我个人我的解读我觉得\n\n19\n00:06:55,225 --> 00:07:09,710\n我們台灣的一個經驗包括就是說我們的科學園區的一個經驗要到美國去我覺得這個是兩國之間的一個互利我覺得是互利\n\n20\n00:07:10,703 --> 00:07:26,268\n對啦那問題是你不能把我們的健康對不對你進美租過去民進黨也還美牛而且那時候我們是有條件的但是你要進美租然後一些車又零關稅等等\n\n21\n00:07:27,048 --> 00:07:36,838\n我認為啦你包括整個尤其AI的你包括台積電整個產業鏈都要提出去你還有什麼籌碼跟你家談幾乎沒有什麼籌碼所以說美國就制定我們日韓15%我們20%還加疊加\n\n22\n00:07:46,627 --> 00:08:07,026\n所以說那些產業幾乎都沒有辦法生存你包括水滸金工具機甚至於說包括蝴蝶蘭一些腳踏車業等等那些幾乎都沒有辦法生存最近中南部那些產業幾乎所有的員工很多都無薪假\n\n23\n00:08:08,206 --> 00:08:23,472\n那沒有辦法生存現在有那麼多人沒有工作這是很嚴重的問題因為無薪以後會造成社會問題他有一個整個一個等於是一系列會造成這些衝擊跟影響你有什麼看法\n\n24\n00:08:24,733 --> 00:08:27,135\n我覺得當然委員在講的這個部分是確實會對這些產業的不利的影響不過據我了解好像我們的談判慢慢接近尾聲而且好像是會低於20%這個我看報紙的\n\n25\n00:08:45,712 --> 00:09:01,689\n我們也期待我們期待20%而且不要跌價因為你要讓那些產業能夠生存因為你跟韓國日本根本就沒辦法去跟人家競爭對不對都比人家高你怎麼競爭總裁明年編列AI新十大建設預算310億元11億元\n\n26\n00:09:05,333 --> 00:09:32,449\n那卓院長說這是未來國家發展的重中之重而8月下旬經濟部長龔明星接受聯合報專訪也說明年開始要推動AI的新時代建設希望把AI相關的技術來導入百工百業讓產業能夠升級來轉型那就本席了解產業轉型是指國家地區或產業透過系統性的調整其產業的結構將傳統\n\n27\n00:09:35,111 --> 00:09:59,507\n或低附加價值的產業轉變為新興或高附加價值的產業的過程那我請問總裁產業轉型或升級是用嘴巴說說的簡單的事嗎既然要這個範圍要導入百工百業你認為行政院編列明年的預算311億能夠一步到位促成百工百業轉型或升級成功嗎\n\n28\n00:10:00,827 --> 00:10:26,244\n要接轨AI相关技术百工百业的建制成本你认为是不是都已经准备好了我跟委员报告除了资金的协助以外我想院里面还有经济部他们对于实际上怎么来协助他们我觉得他们也有做一些的安排嘴巴长很快但是要做\n\n29\n00:10:28,385 --> 00:10:56,725\n要做對不對食物做跟嘴巴講可能有一段距離就是說很落實的去做我想這個是很有幫助的好啦我們希望說各個行業都很興旺那當然我也希望說這些產業能夠轉型那站在政府立場不要你讓傳統產業根本就沒有生存的空間那這是我們大家的期待是是委員說的沒有錯好謝謝林德福委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11261\t16463\t謝謝 謝謝主席是不是請央行的楊總裁我們請楊總裁林委員早 總裁早我請問因為主計長在上個禮拜財委會答詢時表示AI需求持續看好今年經濟成長率應該有一點低估應該可以超過4.5%\n39813\t45319\t加上中心院大幅度的上修全年的經濟成長率到達5.45%那我請問總裁對於上修經濟成長率你有什麼看法是 謝謝委員\n55659\t81539\t的指教事实上呢主计处他说他要上修这个经济成长率那事实上呢我也跟委员报告最近很多机构都调升了我们台湾的经济成长率为什么呢因为在八月以后九月十月到目前为止我们的出口跟我们的投资都比预期的好\n82179\t97124\t所以這就是他們要上修我們經濟成長率的主要的原因我在想我們會密切來關注因為我們在上一季的時候就在9月我們禮監事會的時候我們是估測是4.55但是從我剛剛所說的9月到10月到目前台灣的經濟的出口跟\n107028\t131749\t投資都比預期的好所以我想我們12月會公布新的數據總裁我請問因為上修第四季經濟成長率和前年經濟成長率到底是原先預測失準還是明年經濟溫和成長的預測可能有正面的發展變化是不是這樣子\n133229\t141812\t應該也可以這麼說基本上因為一開始的時候所有的機構包括中央銀行也是一樣的我們都認為上半年是拉貨的效應美國關稅的一個政策的一個影響拉貨效應會比較好但是後半年大家都預測說拉貨的效應會逐漸縮減但是沒有\n157177\t172231\t所以这个就是说为什么所有的机构呢纷纷最近包括ATB也把我们的那个经济成长率都把它上修了那至于就是说是明年呢明年呢也大部分也都认为是在介于2.5到3%之间\n175765\t198024\t這樣喔 那個總裁 按照中間院的估算內容前年的GDP年增率5%當中有4%是來自AI相關那我請問總裁 那是不是代表AI以外的國內產業很多都是衰退的 是不是確實委員說的 還有中間院說的也沒有錯\n200646\t207668\t基本上就是說我們的出口主要的是電子自通訊產品它的出口非常的暢旺這個跟AI有關係\n216971\t219013\t都是跟AI有關係嗎是 跟AI有關係那傳統產業幾乎都AI那個傳統產業基本上到目前為止它的成長率overall我就說傳產overall它的成長率不高低於1%以下\n238163\t264395\t總裁因為上修經濟成長率會不會太弱關還是全球經濟成長有反轉的趨勢台灣更是能夠獨步全球又或者現在只是衰退現象的延後未來還是要面對衰退的一個苦果以您看呢我具有的看法就是說一般現在我們如果說再仔細看一下各個機構的一個觀察\n266616\t283577\t他都認為AI的發展他可能還是會持續下去還會下去是還會持續下去總裁因為川普對等關稅可以說這個政策攪亂了全球的經濟情勢\n285479\t314483\t和台灣的對等關稅政策到現在也還沒有定案那中華民國的暫時關稅條件甚至於比日本比韓國這個還要差那有媒體報導說這個台美關稅談判傳出可能是以美規的車進口零關稅那全面開放美租等等的條件達成不疊加的稅率\n315665\t321881\t那總裁要達到不疊加關稅的門檻就你的了解我們有什麼有利的籌碼\n323705\t345980\t我想我們有利的籌碼如果說具有了解主要的還是就是說美國還是需要我們的有關AI的一個產品問題是那個總裁因為本席當然是期盼以目前執政的民進黨絕對不能犧牲國內的產業以全民的健康來簽訂喪權辱國的談判內容因為你要進美租\n351624\t358652\t然後這個用我們很多的產業外移等等來做談判的內容根據\n361152\t386067\t日前副總統蕭美琴接受加拿大廣播公司的專訪時表示台灣已承諾在美國投資晶片的產業不僅是台積電還包括整個生態系那總裁原本承諾的台積電投資的籌碼看起來沒有辦法去說服美國取得較好的關稅條件那我請問\n387188\t413280\t那肖户总统的台积电生态系或是郑立军副院长的台湾模式你认为能够成就两国对等互利的关税谈判筹码吗报告委员我不是这一方面的专家不过我个人我的解读我觉得\n415225\t429710\t我們台灣的一個經驗包括就是說我們的科學園區的一個經驗要到美國去我覺得這個是兩國之間的一個互利我覺得是互利\n430703\t446268\t對啦 那問題是你不能把我們的健康對不對你進美租過去民進黨也還美牛而且那時候我們是有條件的但是你要進美租然後一些車又零關稅等等\n447048\t456838\t我認為啦你包括整個尤其AI的你包括台積電整個產業鏈都要提出去你還有什麼籌碼跟你家談幾乎沒有什麼籌碼所以說美國就制定我們日韓15%我們20%還加疊加\n466627\t487026\t所以說那些產業幾乎都沒有辦法生存你包括水滸金 工具機甚至於說包括蝴蝶蘭一些腳踏車業等等那些幾乎都沒有辦法生存最近中南部那些產業幾乎所有的員工很多都無薪假\n488206\t503472\t那沒有辦法生存現在有那麼多人沒有工作這是很嚴重的問題因為無薪以後會造成社會問題他有一個整個一個等於是一系列會造成這些衝擊跟影響你有什麼看法\n504733\t507135\t我覺得當然委員在講的這個部分是確實會對這些產業的不利的影響不過據我了解好像我們的談判慢慢接近尾聲而且好像是會低於20%這個我看報紙的\n525712\t541689\t我們也期待我們期待20%而且不要跌價因為你要讓那些產業能夠生存因為你跟韓國日本根本就沒辦法去跟人家競爭對不對都比人家高你怎麼競爭總裁明年編列AI新十大建設預算310億元11億元\n545333\t572449\t那卓院長說這是未來國家發展的重中之重而8月下旬經濟部長龔明星接受聯合報專訪也說明年開始要推動AI的新時代建設希望把AI相關的技術來導入百工百業讓產業能夠升級來轉型那就本席了解產業轉型是指國家地區或產業透過系統性的調整其產業的結構將傳統\n575111\t599507\t或低附加價值的產業轉變為新興或高附加價值的產業的過程那我請問總裁產業轉型或升級是用嘴巴說說的簡單的事嗎既然要這個範圍要導入百工百業你認為行政院編列明年的預算311億能夠一步到位促成百工百業轉型或升級成功嗎\n600827\t626244\t要接轨AI相关技术百工百业的建制成本你认为是不是都已经准备好了我跟委员报告除了资金的协助以外我想院里面还有经济部他们对于实际上怎么来协助他们我觉得他们也有做一些的安排嘴巴长很快但是要做\n628385\t656725\t要做對不對食物做跟嘴巴講可能有一段距離就是說很落實的去做我想這個是很有幫助的好啦我們希望說各個行業都很興旺那當然我也希望說這些產業能夠轉型那站在政府立場不要你讓傳統產業根本就沒有生存的空間那這是我們大家的期待是是委員說的沒有錯好謝謝林德福委員\n","txt":"謝謝 謝謝主席是不是請央行的楊總裁我們請楊總裁林委員早 總裁早我請問因為主計長在上個禮拜財委會答詢時表示AI需求持續看好今年經濟成長率應該有一點低估應該可以超過4.5%\n加上中心院大幅度的上修全年的經濟成長率到達5.45%那我請問總裁對於上修經濟成長率你有什麼看法是 謝謝委員\n的指教事实上呢主计处他说他要上修这个经济成长率那事实上呢我也跟委员报告最近很多机构都调升了我们台湾的经济成长率为什么呢因为在八月以后九月十月到目前为止我们的出口跟我们的投资都比预期的好\n所以這就是他們要上修我們經濟成長率的主要的原因我在想我們會密切來關注因為我們在上一季的時候就在9月我們禮監事會的時候我們是估測是4.55但是從我剛剛所說的9月到10月到目前台灣的經濟的出口跟\n投資都比預期的好所以我想我們12月會公布新的數據總裁我請問因為上修第四季經濟成長率和前年經濟成長率到底是原先預測失準還是明年經濟溫和成長的預測可能有正面的發展變化是不是這樣子\n應該也可以這麼說基本上因為一開始的時候所有的機構包括中央銀行也是一樣的我們都認為上半年是拉貨的效應美國關稅的一個政策的一個影響拉貨效應會比較好但是後半年大家都預測說拉貨的效應會逐漸縮減但是沒有\n所以这个就是说为什么所有的机构呢纷纷最近包括ATB也把我们的那个经济成长率都把它上修了那至于就是说是明年呢明年呢也大部分也都认为是在介于2.5到3%之间\n這樣喔 那個總裁 按照中間院的估算內容前年的GDP年增率5%當中有4%是來自AI相關那我請問總裁 那是不是代表AI以外的國內產業很多都是衰退的 是不是確實委員說的 還有中間院說的也沒有錯\n基本上就是說我們的出口主要的是電子自通訊產品它的出口非常的暢旺這個跟AI有關係\n都是跟AI有關係嗎是 跟AI有關係那傳統產業幾乎都AI那個傳統產業基本上到目前為止它的成長率overall我就說傳產overall它的成長率不高低於1%以下\n總裁因為上修經濟成長率會不會太弱關還是全球經濟成長有反轉的趨勢台灣更是能夠獨步全球又或者現在只是衰退現象的延後未來還是要面對衰退的一個苦果以您看呢我具有的看法就是說一般現在我們如果說再仔細看一下各個機構的一個觀察\n他都認為AI的發展他可能還是會持續下去還會下去是還會持續下去總裁因為川普對等關稅可以說這個政策攪亂了全球的經濟情勢\n和台灣的對等關稅政策到現在也還沒有定案那中華民國的暫時關稅條件甚至於比日本比韓國這個還要差那有媒體報導說這個台美關稅談判傳出可能是以美規的車進口零關稅那全面開放美租等等的條件達成不疊加的稅率\n那總裁要達到不疊加關稅的門檻就你的了解我們有什麼有利的籌碼\n我想我們有利的籌碼如果說具有了解主要的還是就是說美國還是需要我們的有關AI的一個產品問題是那個總裁因為本席當然是期盼以目前執政的民進黨絕對不能犧牲國內的產業以全民的健康來簽訂喪權辱國的談判內容因為你要進美租\n然後這個用我們很多的產業外移等等來做談判的內容根據\n日前副總統蕭美琴接受加拿大廣播公司的專訪時表示台灣已承諾在美國投資晶片的產業不僅是台積電還包括整個生態系那總裁原本承諾的台積電投資的籌碼看起來沒有辦法去說服美國取得較好的關稅條件那我請問\n那肖户总统的台积电生态系或是郑立军副院长的台湾模式你认为能够成就两国对等互利的关税谈判筹码吗报告委员我不是这一方面的专家不过我个人我的解读我觉得\n我們台灣的一個經驗包括就是說我們的科學園區的一個經驗要到美國去我覺得這個是兩國之間的一個互利我覺得是互利\n對啦 那問題是你不能把我們的健康對不對你進美租過去民進黨也還美牛而且那時候我們是有條件的但是你要進美租然後一些車又零關稅等等\n我認為啦你包括整個尤其AI的你包括台積電整個產業鏈都要提出去你還有什麼籌碼跟你家談幾乎沒有什麼籌碼所以說美國就制定我們日韓15%我們20%還加疊加\n所以說那些產業幾乎都沒有辦法生存你包括水滸金 工具機甚至於說包括蝴蝶蘭一些腳踏車業等等那些幾乎都沒有辦法生存最近中南部那些產業幾乎所有的員工很多都無薪假\n那沒有辦法生存現在有那麼多人沒有工作這是很嚴重的問題因為無薪以後會造成社會問題他有一個整個一個等於是一系列會造成這些衝擊跟影響你有什麼看法\n我覺得當然委員在講的這個部分是確實會對這些產業的不利的影響不過據我了解好像我們的談判慢慢接近尾聲而且好像是會低於20%這個我看報紙的\n我們也期待我們期待20%而且不要跌價因為你要讓那些產業能夠生存因為你跟韓國日本根本就沒辦法去跟人家競爭對不對都比人家高你怎麼競爭總裁明年編列AI新十大建設預算310億元11億元\n那卓院長說這是未來國家發展的重中之重而8月下旬經濟部長龔明星接受聯合報專訪也說明年開始要推動AI的新時代建設希望把AI相關的技術來導入百工百業讓產業能夠升級來轉型那就本席了解產業轉型是指國家地區或產業透過系統性的調整其產業的結構將傳統\n或低附加價值的產業轉變為新興或高附加價值的產業的過程那我請問總裁產業轉型或升級是用嘴巴說說的簡單的事嗎既然要這個範圍要導入百工百業你認為行政院編列明年的預算311億能夠一步到位促成百工百業轉型或升級成功嗎\n要接轨AI相关技术百工百业的建制成本你认为是不是都已经准备好了我跟委员报告除了资金的协助以外我想院里面还有经济部他们对于实际上怎么来协助他们我觉得他们也有做一些的安排嘴巴长很快但是要做\n要做對不對食物做跟嘴巴講可能有一段距離就是說很落實的去做我想這個是很有幫助的好啦我們希望說各個行業都很興旺那當然我也希望說這些產業能夠轉型那站在政府立場不要你讓傳統產業根本就沒有生存的空間那這是我們大家的期待是是委員說的沒有錯好謝謝林德福委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.261 --> 00:16.463\n謝謝謝謝主席是不是請央行的楊總裁我們請楊總裁林委員早總裁早我請問因為主計長在上個禮拜財委會答詢時表示AI需求持續看好今年經濟成長率應該有一點低估應該可以超過4.5%\n\n00:39.813 --> 00:45.319\n加上中心院大幅度的上修全年的經濟成長率到達5.45%那我請問總裁對於上修經濟成長率你有什麼看法是謝謝委員\n\n00:55.659 --> 01:21.539\n的指教事实上呢主计处他说他要上修这个经济成长率那事实上呢我也跟委员报告最近很多机构都调升了我们台湾的经济成长率为什么呢因为在八月以后九月十月到目前为止我们的出口跟我们的投资都比预期的好\n\n01:22.179 --> 01:37.124\n所以這就是他們要上修我們經濟成長率的主要的原因我在想我們會密切來關注因為我們在上一季的時候就在9月我們禮監事會的時候我們是估測是4.55但是從我剛剛所說的9月到10月到目前台灣的經濟的出口跟\n\n01:47.028 --> 02:11.749\n投資都比預期的好所以我想我們12月會公布新的數據總裁我請問因為上修第四季經濟成長率和前年經濟成長率到底是原先預測失準還是明年經濟溫和成長的預測可能有正面的發展變化是不是這樣子\n\n02:13.229 --> 02:21.812\n應該也可以這麼說基本上因為一開始的時候所有的機構包括中央銀行也是一樣的我們都認為上半年是拉貨的效應美國關稅的一個政策的一個影響拉貨效應會比較好但是後半年大家都預測說拉貨的效應會逐漸縮減但是沒有\n\n02:37.177 --> 02:52.231\n所以这个就是说为什么所有的机构呢纷纷最近包括ATB也把我们的那个经济成长率都把它上修了那至于就是说是明年呢明年呢也大部分也都认为是在介于2.5到3%之间\n\n02:55.765 --> 03:18.024\n這樣喔那個總裁按照中間院的估算內容前年的GDP年增率5%當中有4%是來自AI相關那我請問總裁那是不是代表AI以外的國內產業很多都是衰退的是不是確實委員說的還有中間院說的也沒有錯\n\n03:20.646 --> 03:27.668\n基本上就是說我們的出口主要的是電子自通訊產品它的出口非常的暢旺這個跟AI有關係\n\n03:36.971 --> 03:39.013\n都是跟AI有關係嗎是跟AI有關係那傳統產業幾乎都AI那個傳統產業基本上到目前為止它的成長率overall我就說傳產overall它的成長率不高低於1%以下\n\n03:58.163 --> 04:24.395\n總裁因為上修經濟成長率會不會太弱關還是全球經濟成長有反轉的趨勢台灣更是能夠獨步全球又或者現在只是衰退現象的延後未來還是要面對衰退的一個苦果以您看呢我具有的看法就是說一般現在我們如果說再仔細看一下各個機構的一個觀察\n\n04:26.616 --> 04:43.577\n他都認為AI的發展他可能還是會持續下去還會下去是還會持續下去總裁因為川普對等關稅可以說這個政策攪亂了全球的經濟情勢\n\n04:45.479 --> 05:14.483\n和台灣的對等關稅政策到現在也還沒有定案那中華民國的暫時關稅條件甚至於比日本比韓國這個還要差那有媒體報導說這個台美關稅談判傳出可能是以美規的車進口零關稅那全面開放美租等等的條件達成不疊加的稅率\n\n05:15.665 --> 05:21.881\n那總裁要達到不疊加關稅的門檻就你的了解我們有什麼有利的籌碼\n\n05:23.705 --> 05:45.980\n我想我們有利的籌碼如果說具有了解主要的還是就是說美國還是需要我們的有關AI的一個產品問題是那個總裁因為本席當然是期盼以目前執政的民進黨絕對不能犧牲國內的產業以全民的健康來簽訂喪權辱國的談判內容因為你要進美租\n\n05:51.624 --> 05:58.652\n然後這個用我們很多的產業外移等等來做談判的內容根據\n\n06:01.152 --> 06:26.067\n日前副總統蕭美琴接受加拿大廣播公司的專訪時表示台灣已承諾在美國投資晶片的產業不僅是台積電還包括整個生態系那總裁原本承諾的台積電投資的籌碼看起來沒有辦法去說服美國取得較好的關稅條件那我請問\n\n06:27.188 --> 06:53.280\n那肖户总统的台积电生态系或是郑立军副院长的台湾模式你认为能够成就两国对等互利的关税谈判筹码吗报告委员我不是这一方面的专家不过我个人我的解读我觉得\n\n06:55.225 --> 07:09.710\n我們台灣的一個經驗包括就是說我們的科學園區的一個經驗要到美國去我覺得這個是兩國之間的一個互利我覺得是互利\n\n07:10.703 --> 07:26.268\n對啦那問題是你不能把我們的健康對不對你進美租過去民進黨也還美牛而且那時候我們是有條件的但是你要進美租然後一些車又零關稅等等\n\n07:27.048 --> 07:36.838\n我認為啦你包括整個尤其AI的你包括台積電整個產業鏈都要提出去你還有什麼籌碼跟你家談幾乎沒有什麼籌碼所以說美國就制定我們日韓15%我們20%還加疊加\n\n07:46.627 --> 08:07.026\n所以說那些產業幾乎都沒有辦法生存你包括水滸金工具機甚至於說包括蝴蝶蘭一些腳踏車業等等那些幾乎都沒有辦法生存最近中南部那些產業幾乎所有的員工很多都無薪假\n\n08:08.206 --> 08:23.472\n那沒有辦法生存現在有那麼多人沒有工作這是很嚴重的問題因為無薪以後會造成社會問題他有一個整個一個等於是一系列會造成這些衝擊跟影響你有什麼看法\n\n08:24.733 --> 08:27.135\n我覺得當然委員在講的這個部分是確實會對這些產業的不利的影響不過據我了解好像我們的談判慢慢接近尾聲而且好像是會低於20%這個我看報紙的\n\n08:45.712 --> 09:01.689\n我們也期待我們期待20%而且不要跌價因為你要讓那些產業能夠生存因為你跟韓國日本根本就沒辦法去跟人家競爭對不對都比人家高你怎麼競爭總裁明年編列AI新十大建設預算310億元11億元\n\n09:05.333 --> 09:32.449\n那卓院長說這是未來國家發展的重中之重而8月下旬經濟部長龔明星接受聯合報專訪也說明年開始要推動AI的新時代建設希望把AI相關的技術來導入百工百業讓產業能夠升級來轉型那就本席了解產業轉型是指國家地區或產業透過系統性的調整其產業的結構將傳統\n\n09:35.111 --> 09:59.507\n或低附加價值的產業轉變為新興或高附加價值的產業的過程那我請問總裁產業轉型或升級是用嘴巴說說的簡單的事嗎既然要這個範圍要導入百工百業你認為行政院編列明年的預算311億能夠一步到位促成百工百業轉型或升級成功嗎\n\n10:00.827 --> 10:26.244\n要接轨AI相关技术百工百业的建制成本你认为是不是都已经准备好了我跟委员报告除了资金的协助以外我想院里面还有经济部他们对于实际上怎么来协助他们我觉得他们也有做一些的安排嘴巴长很快但是要做\n\n10:28.385 --> 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