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00:01:43,669\n我要講說這個勞動部公佈的這個綜合指數溫度熱指數他是我們要主動去查詢或是說職安單位要去提供的那氣象署這邊是提供體感溫度來做預報來提醒國人今天熱或不熱或是要不要做些中暑的預防那我要問的是說第一個\n\n6\n00:01:45,439 --> 00:02:03,727\n氣象署未來會不會把這個有沒有機會把這個所謂綜合溫度熱指數拿回來由你們來公告相關的指數那第二個到底體感溫度比較具有參考價值還是對於這種這個綜合溫度熱指數比較參考價值署長跟委員報告其實在\n\n7\n00:02:05,478 --> 00:02:29,298\n全球變遷的這個高溫議題裡面呢大家都很重視那因為高溫的影響其實層面很廣那委員所提的在日本這WGT的這個其實是比較接近人體的感受那氣象署在這一塊跟跟國建署還有跟中研院其實我們有合作去建一個叫做樂活氣象裡面有一個這個\n\n8\n00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:45,927\n依據WBGT所做出來的熱傷害的預警這些訊息那這個是對人體因為它WBGT其實最重要精神上它除了風溫度濕度之外它還另外有考慮到輻射那這個輻射\n\n9\n00:02:48,420 --> 00:03:03,917\n講台灣話講得比較好笑假如說你在鐵皮屋裡面你感受到的溫度可能沒有那麼高那可能濕度看起來也還好然後可是那個溫度的那種潛在的那種感覺是溫度會很高那對人體是有非常大的影響的\n\n10\n00:03:05,238 --> 00:03:25,227\n氣象署對於預報來講我們有去其實大部分我們在定義溫度要怎麼做預警的時候其實我們有開很多的說明會也召集了各個部會也有一些防災的團體都有來討論過這些事情大家還是公認說用高溫比較單純因為\n\n11\n00:03:27,168 --> 00:03:49,968\n如果說去牽扯到其他的溫度的話就譬如說體感溫度好了體感溫度基本上他考慮的是風考慮的是濕度考慮的是氣溫所以你如果到海邊去的話風比較大你可能感覺到溫度比較低但是太陽那個曝曬你也很可能會被它曬傷那如果說在比較靠近內陸的話風比較小你那時候感覺到體感溫度可能會很高\n\n12\n00:03:50,689 --> 00:04:15,190\n那会让民众就感觉到你这个地方又闷湿度又高所以相对来讲你所做的防备这种体感温度是跟我们外面的感觉是比较一致的所以如果对于旅游者来讲他可能就体感温度是比较重要的那可是对于工作者来讲尤其是人的健康的角度来讲应该是WGT是比较重要的那对于劳工或什么其实各种样态不大一样所以对气象署的\n\n13\n00:04:15,891 --> 00:04:21,658\n在討論如何去用高溫來做預警的這個問題大家還是討論說要不然氣象署就以高溫\n\n14\n00:04:22,765 --> 00:04:49,180\n就很單純的高溫來提供就好了其他可能有不同層面的應用部分有不同層面去做考量所以你們在網上上公告的紅色橙色跟黃色燈號就單純只是氣溫而已沒有其他的綜合考量在裡面對不過跟委員報告其實我們最近也跟中研院跟衛福這邊有談說希望說將來在氣象署的官網裡面除了說\n\n15\n00:04:50,541 --> 00:05:11,716\n以溫度來做試景之外其實對這種WBGT所感受到的這個溫度的試景可以採納衛福部跟中研院跟氣象署合作的這種熱傷害的指數把它放到裡面去所以預警如果對人的話可能必須對人體的話或者對公教的話公衛的話可能要參考那個數據\n\n16\n00:05:12,697 --> 00:05:27,937\n好署長謝謝因為我想如果單純公佈溫度當然參考價值我認為不高啦因為就像你剛剛署長所說不同的環境場域對每一個人的狀況不一樣尤其是對台灣現在這麼熱的狀況來講那種戶外勞工或者是營建業或者各項的這種公共工程\n\n17\n00:05:28,597 --> 00:05:44,085\n這種戶外的這些群體還有幫外送員等等這個東西對於溫度的感受跟我們在室內的工作那是完全不一樣所以我們當然希望說氣象署能夠積極一點提供更多的數據讓各單位不管勞動部也好或其他單位來參考可以嗎後續會做\n\n18\n00:05:45,546 --> 00:06:11,235\n好那再來這個當初就是我們氣象署來拜會的時候提到說我們現在很積極在開發相關的這些授權資料包含說你們要採購很多的這個高階電腦來提供更多的這個資訊能夠來授權那這個氣象署現在跟APP獨立開發者的合作問題當然是延至去年這個所謂的台灣地震速報APP當初因為開發者他沒有取得這個氣象署的授權那也他是間接\n\n19\n00:06:11,835 --> 00:06:26,273\n他是透過所謂DNAWayGap的東西取得數據然後間接取得你們的資料嘛那後來大家雙方諒解那我要問的是說像你們的申請方式裡面其中還有一個不管是個人或團體大家都需要有預報許可證然後很多的資料那這一位\n\n20\n00:06:27,054 --> 00:06:52,579\n那個林子佑他當初也講說他要去他也想申請但是他申請的流程包含你們提到的團體或個人的部分也好要申請的資料非常繁瑣那包含說預報許可證也很難取得那這東西的話我想未來我們既然如果假設預算上也支持你們去做這麼多的數據上的研究那未來這個資料開發的部分還是有這麼多規範還是說未來可以更更開放一點讓更多人能夠來使用我們氣象署的資料\n\n21\n00:06:55,205 --> 00:07:12,362\n在氣象法裡面其實在規範這些事情我們基本上採的角度是開放的角度因為氣象資料包含地震的資料要有人使用它才會有生命出來那這一方面我們的態度是一樣是開放的角度不過開放資料背後還是要有適當的管理\n\n22\n00:07:12,962 --> 00:07:36,301\n那些管理的部分剛剛委員提到說氣象預報的許可證的這一部分因為氣象的預報是另外一回事剛剛這位現在螢幕上各位小弟弟其實他是用氣象的地震的資料去做速報他只是說資料給他然後他要快速的去傳遞這些訊息而已當然更多的去傳遞這些正確的訊息是合理的\n\n23\n00:07:36,721 --> 00:07:50,122\n所以跟氣象他要用這些氣象資料的時候他要跟氣象局中間要有一些關係讓我們知道他在做這件事情才能夠適當的管理所以我們的態度基本上是以開放的角度來看待我上面開放那開放如果是開放那像這種預報許可證\n\n24\n00:07:52,096 --> 00:08:13,730\n也是必要條件還是說未來這種是屬於報備制他們有來跟你們取得授權他們就可以去來使用這種公開的資料他們可以嫁接然後對一般的民眾因為就像這個氣象APP這個當初大家會對它有這麼多的讚賞是因為它的可能資訊提供很快速然後好使用等等的就是它在使用上在手機上比較好使用\n\n25\n00:08:14,170 --> 00:08:25,661\n那未來你們在做這個事情上是開放就是說像他以這個案以這個林子佑為例的話他是可以直接來跟你們報備就好呢還是他一樣要取得這種個人跟團體的資料申請他才能做\n\n26\n00:08:27,499 --> 00:08:46,091\n如果說是屬於天氣的像地震的這速報的話基本上還是要跟氣象局申請這些資料那如果說天氣預報的這一部分是屬於許可他還是要具備他有這個能力才能夠去做天氣的預報服務他如果沒有這個能力去做預報服務會變成\n\n27\n00:08:47,492 --> 00:09:02,272\n他會就譬如說氣象署報颱風路徑是這樣走他可以報另外一個颱風路徑這樣走就會造成社會的混淆所以在防災的部分包含了颱風跟海緯這一部分我們還是希望說能夠在許可的範圍之內他來做這件事情好謝謝署長時間到謝謝謝謝委員謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3296\t6262\t謝謝好 謝謝主席主席我們要請氣象署署長 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署長跟委員報告其實在\n125478\t149298\t全球變遷的這個高溫議題裡面呢大家都很重視那因為高溫的影響其實層面很廣那委員所提的在日本這WGT的這個其實是比較接近人體的感受那氣象署在這一塊跟跟國建署還有跟中研院其實我們有合作去建一個叫做樂活氣象裡面有一個這個\n151500\t165927\t依據WBGT所做出來的熱傷害的預警這些訊息那這個是對人體因為它WBGT其實最重要精神上它除了風溫度濕度之外它還另外有考慮到輻射那這個輻射\n168420\t183917\t講台灣話講得比較好笑假如說你在鐵皮屋裡面你感受到的溫度可能沒有那麼高那可能濕度看起來也還好然後可是那個溫度的那種潛在的那種感覺是溫度會很高那對人體是有非常大的影響的\n185238\t205227\t氣象署對於預報來講我們有去其實大部分我們在定義溫度要怎麼做預警的時候其實我們有開很多的說明會也召集了各個部會也有一些防災的團體都有來討論過這些事情大家還是公認說用高溫比較單純因為\n207168\t229968\t如果說去牽扯到其他的溫度的話就譬如說體感溫度好了體感溫度基本上他考慮的是風考慮的是濕度 考慮的是氣溫所以你如果到海邊去的話風比較大你可能感覺到溫度比較低但是太陽那個曝曬你也很可能會被它曬傷那如果說在比較靠近內陸的話風比較小你那時候感覺到體感溫度可能會很高\n230689\t255190\t那会让民众就感觉到你这个地方又闷湿度又高所以相对来讲你所做的防备这种体感温度是跟我们外面的感觉是比较一致的所以如果对于旅游者来讲他可能就体感温度是比较重要的那可是对于工作者来讲尤其是人的健康的角度来讲应该是WGT是比较重要的那对于劳工或什么其实各种样态不大一样所以对气象署的\n255891\t261658\t在討論如何去用高溫來做預警的這個問題大家還是討論說要不然氣象署就以高溫\n262765\t289180\t就很單純的高溫來提供就好了其他可能有不同層面的應用部分有不同層面去做考量所以你們在網上上公告的紅色橙色跟黃色燈號就單純只是氣溫而已沒有其他的綜合考量在裡面對不過跟委員報告其實我們最近也跟中研院跟衛福這邊有談說希望說將來在氣象署的官網裡面除了說\n290541\t311716\t以溫度來做試景之外其實對這種WBGT所感受到的這個溫度的試景可以採納衛福部跟中研院跟氣象署合作的這種熱傷害的指數把它放到裡面去所以預警如果對人的話可能必須對人體的話或者對公教的話公衛的話可能要參考那個數據\n312697\t327937\t好 署長謝謝因為我想如果單純公佈溫度當然參考價值我認為不高啦因為就像你剛剛署長所說不同的環境場域對每一個人的狀況不一樣尤其是對台灣現在這麼熱的狀況來講那種戶外勞工或者是營建業或者各項的這種公共工程\n328597\t344085\t這種戶外的這些群體還有幫外送員等等這個東西對於溫度的感受跟我們在室內的工作那是完全不一樣所以我們當然希望說氣象署能夠積極一點提供更多的數據讓各單位不管勞動部也好或其他單位來參考可以嗎後續會做\n345546\t371235\t好那再來這個當初就是我們氣象署來拜會的時候提到說我們現在很積極在開發相關的這些授權資料包含說你們要採購很多的這個高階電腦來提供更多的這個資訊能夠來授權那這個氣象署現在跟APP獨立開發者的合作問題當然是延至去年這個所謂的台灣地震速報APP當初因為開發者他沒有取得這個氣象署的授權那也他是間接\n371835\t386273\t他是透過所謂DNA WayGap的東西取得數據然後間接取得你們的資料嘛那後來大家雙方諒解那我要問的是說像你們的申請方式裡面其中還有一個不管是個人或團體大家都需要有預報許可證然後很多的資料那這一位\n387054\t412579\t那個林子佑他當初也講說他要去他也想申請但是他申請的流程包含你們提到的團體或個人的部分也好要申請的資料非常繁瑣那包含說預報許可證也很難取得那這東西的話我想未來我們既然如果假設預算上也支持你們去做這麼多的數據上的研究那未來這個資料開發的部分還是有這麼多規範還是說未來可以更更開放一點讓更多人能夠來使用我們氣象署的資料\n415205\t432362\t在氣象法裡面其實在規範這些事情我們基本上採的角度是開放的角度因為氣象資料包含地震的資料要有人使用它才會有生命出來那這一方面我們的態度是一樣是開放的角度不過開放資料背後還是要有適當的管理\n432962\t456301\t那些管理的部分剛剛委員提到說氣象預報的許可證的這一部分因為氣象的預報是另外一回事剛剛這位現在螢幕上各位小弟弟其實他是用氣象的地震的資料去做速報他只是說資料給他然後他要快速的去傳遞這些訊息而已當然更多的去傳遞這些正確的訊息是合理的\n456721\t470122\t所以跟氣象他要用這些氣象資料的時候他要跟氣象局中間要有一些關係讓我們知道他在做這件事情才能夠適當的管理所以我們的態度基本上是以開放的角度來看待我上面開放那開放如果是開放那像這種預報許可證\n472096\t493730\t也是必要條件還是說未來這種是屬於報備制他們有來跟你們取得授權他們就可以去來使用這種公開的資料他們可以嫁接然後對一般的民眾因為就像這個氣象APP這個當初大家會對它有這麼多的讚賞是因為它的可能資訊提供很快速然後好使用等等的就是它在使用上在手機上比較好使用\n494170\t505661\t那未來你們在做這個事情上是開放就是說像他以這個案以這個林子佑為例的話他是可以直接來跟你們報備就好呢還是他一樣要取得這種個人跟團體的資料申請他才能做\n507499\t526091\t如果說是屬於天氣的像地震的這速報的話基本上還是要跟氣象局申請這些資料那如果說天氣預報的這一部分是屬於許可他還是要具備他有這個能力才能夠去做天氣的預報服務他如果沒有這個能力去做預報服務會變成\n527492\t542272\t他會就譬如說氣象署報颱風路徑是這樣走他可以報另外一個颱風路徑這樣走就會造成社會的混淆所以在防災的部分包含了颱風跟海緯這一部分我們還是希望說能夠在許可的範圍之內他來做這件事情好謝謝署長時間到謝謝謝謝委員謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝好 謝謝主席主席我們要請氣象署署長 呂署長請署長\n王浩元好署長好署長好這個一開始我跟您討論一下我們這個各國這個我們跟鄰國日本之間這個氣象署的作用跟他的作為我想日本環境審判氣象廳會根據所謂的WBGT就是綜合溫度熱指數來發布所謂熱中症警報那這個東西他們是由氣象廳來主管那幾度之後或者大家有什麼他們一樣有三個燈號四個燈號\n黃色橘色紅色跟紫色來提醒大家要注意那因為我想這全球暖化的關係今天當然台灣比較涼爽那其實你們到10月到11月的時候其實很多時候還是蠻熱的所以像這種營造業還有戶外的勞工對於這種溫度的這個敏感性也是蠻高的那當然在台灣這邊我想問一下因為我看到我們氣象署其實一樣有公布所謂的紅黃燈號\n就算在你們網站上面一樣有燈號但是這個燈號到底代表什麼意義跟日本氣象廳跟公布的燈號是一樣意思嗎那另外因為我們勞動部這邊勞動部其實是使用所謂的也是使用這個WPGT的這個指數來提醒這個勞工跟提醒企業主要應對一些方式但是因為\n我要講說這個勞動部公佈的這個綜合指數溫度熱指數他是我們要主動去查詢或是說職安單位要去提供的那氣象署這邊是提供體感溫度來做預報來提醒國人今天熱或不熱或是要不要做些中暑的預防那我要問的是說第一個\n氣象署未來會不會把這個有沒有機會把這個所謂綜合溫度熱指數拿回來由你們來公告相關的指數那第二個到底體感溫度比較具有參考價值還是對於這種這個綜合溫度熱指數比較參考價值 署長跟委員報告其實在\n全球變遷的這個高溫議題裡面呢大家都很重視那因為高溫的影響其實層面很廣那委員所提的在日本這WGT的這個其實是比較接近人體的感受那氣象署在這一塊跟跟國建署還有跟中研院其實我們有合作去建一個叫做樂活氣象裡面有一個這個\n依據WBGT所做出來的熱傷害的預警這些訊息那這個是對人體因為它WBGT其實最重要精神上它除了風溫度濕度之外它還另外有考慮到輻射那這個輻射\n講台灣話講得比較好笑假如說你在鐵皮屋裡面你感受到的溫度可能沒有那麼高那可能濕度看起來也還好然後可是那個溫度的那種潛在的那種感覺是溫度會很高那對人體是有非常大的影響的\n氣象署對於預報來講我們有去其實大部分我們在定義溫度要怎麼做預警的時候其實我們有開很多的說明會也召集了各個部會也有一些防災的團體都有來討論過這些事情大家還是公認說用高溫比較單純因為\n如果說去牽扯到其他的溫度的話就譬如說體感溫度好了體感溫度基本上他考慮的是風考慮的是濕度 考慮的是氣溫所以你如果到海邊去的話風比較大你可能感覺到溫度比較低但是太陽那個曝曬你也很可能會被它曬傷那如果說在比較靠近內陸的話風比較小你那時候感覺到體感溫度可能會很高\n那会让民众就感觉到你这个地方又闷湿度又高所以相对来讲你所做的防备这种体感温度是跟我们外面的感觉是比较一致的所以如果对于旅游者来讲他可能就体感温度是比较重要的那可是对于工作者来讲尤其是人的健康的角度来讲应该是WGT是比较重要的那对于劳工或什么其实各种样态不大一样所以对气象署的\n在討論如何去用高溫來做預警的這個問題大家還是討論說要不然氣象署就以高溫\n就很單純的高溫來提供就好了其他可能有不同層面的應用部分有不同層面去做考量所以你們在網上上公告的紅色橙色跟黃色燈號就單純只是氣溫而已沒有其他的綜合考量在裡面對不過跟委員報告其實我們最近也跟中研院跟衛福這邊有談說希望說將來在氣象署的官網裡面除了說\n以溫度來做試景之外其實對這種WBGT所感受到的這個溫度的試景可以採納衛福部跟中研院跟氣象署合作的這種熱傷害的指數把它放到裡面去所以預警如果對人的話可能必須對人體的話或者對公教的話公衛的話可能要參考那個數據\n好 署長謝謝因為我想如果單純公佈溫度當然參考價值我認為不高啦因為就像你剛剛署長所說不同的環境場域對每一個人的狀況不一樣尤其是對台灣現在這麼熱的狀況來講那種戶外勞工或者是營建業或者各項的這種公共工程\n這種戶外的這些群體還有幫外送員等等這個東西對於溫度的感受跟我們在室內的工作那是完全不一樣所以我們當然希望說氣象署能夠積極一點提供更多的數據讓各單位不管勞動部也好或其他單位來參考可以嗎後續會做\n好那再來這個當初就是我們氣象署來拜會的時候提到說我們現在很積極在開發相關的這些授權資料包含說你們要採購很多的這個高階電腦來提供更多的這個資訊能夠來授權那這個氣象署現在跟APP獨立開發者的合作問題當然是延至去年這個所謂的台灣地震速報APP當初因為開發者他沒有取得這個氣象署的授權那也他是間接\n他是透過所謂DNA WayGap的東西取得數據然後間接取得你們的資料嘛那後來大家雙方諒解那我要問的是說像你們的申請方式裡面其中還有一個不管是個人或團體大家都需要有預報許可證然後很多的資料那這一位\n那個林子佑他當初也講說他要去他也想申請但是他申請的流程包含你們提到的團體或個人的部分也好要申請的資料非常繁瑣那包含說預報許可證也很難取得那這東西的話我想未來我們既然如果假設預算上也支持你們去做這麼多的數據上的研究那未來這個資料開發的部分還是有這麼多規範還是說未來可以更更開放一點讓更多人能夠來使用我們氣象署的資料\n在氣象法裡面其實在規範這些事情我們基本上採的角度是開放的角度因為氣象資料包含地震的資料要有人使用它才會有生命出來那這一方面我們的態度是一樣是開放的角度不過開放資料背後還是要有適當的管理\n那些管理的部分剛剛委員提到說氣象預報的許可證的這一部分因為氣象的預報是另外一回事剛剛這位現在螢幕上各位小弟弟其實他是用氣象的地震的資料去做速報他只是說資料給他然後他要快速的去傳遞這些訊息而已當然更多的去傳遞這些正確的訊息是合理的\n所以跟氣象他要用這些氣象資料的時候他要跟氣象局中間要有一些關係讓我們知道他在做這件事情才能夠適當的管理所以我們的態度基本上是以開放的角度來看待我上面開放那開放如果是開放那像這種預報許可證\n也是必要條件還是說未來這種是屬於報備制他們有來跟你們取得授權他們就可以去來使用這種公開的資料他們可以嫁接然後對一般的民眾因為就像這個氣象APP這個當初大家會對它有這麼多的讚賞是因為它的可能資訊提供很快速然後好使用等等的就是它在使用上在手機上比較好使用\n那未來你們在做這個事情上是開放就是說像他以這個案以這個林子佑為例的話他是可以直接來跟你們報備就好呢還是他一樣要取得這種個人跟團體的資料申請他才能做\n如果說是屬於天氣的像地震的這速報的話基本上還是要跟氣象局申請這些資料那如果說天氣預報的這一部分是屬於許可他還是要具備他有這個能力才能夠去做天氣的預報服務他如果沒有這個能力去做預報服務會變成\n他會就譬如說氣象署報颱風路徑是這樣走他可以報另外一個颱風路徑這樣走就會造成社會的混淆所以在防災的部分包含了颱風跟海緯這一部分我們還是希望說能夠在許可的範圍之內他來做這件事情好謝謝署長時間到謝謝謝謝委員謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.296 --> 00:06.262\n謝謝好謝謝主席主席我們要請氣象署署長呂署長請署長\n\n00:13.274 --> 00:37.280\n王浩元好署長好署長好這個一開始我跟您討論一下我們這個各國這個我們跟鄰國日本之間這個氣象署的作用跟他的作為我想日本環境審判氣象廳會根據所謂的WBGT就是綜合溫度熱指數來發布所謂熱中症警報那這個東西他們是由氣象廳來主管那幾度之後或者大家有什麼他們一樣有三個燈號四個燈號\n\n00:39.840 --> 01:01.973\n黃色橘色紅色跟紫色來提醒大家要注意那因為我想這全球暖化的關係今天當然台灣比較涼爽那其實你們到10月到11月的時候其實很多時候還是蠻熱的所以像這種營造業還有戶外的勞工對於這種溫度的這個敏感性也是蠻高的那當然在台灣這邊我想問一下因為我看到我們氣象署其實一樣有公布所謂的紅黃燈號\n\n01:04.614 --> 01:25.807\n就算在你們網站上面一樣有燈號但是這個燈號到底代表什麼意義跟日本氣象廳跟公布的燈號是一樣意思嗎那另外因為我們勞動部這邊勞動部其實是使用所謂的也是使用這個WPGT的這個指數來提醒這個勞工跟提醒企業主要應對一些方式但是因為\n\n01:26.747 --> 01:43.669\n我要講說這個勞動部公佈的這個綜合指數溫度熱指數他是我們要主動去查詢或是說職安單位要去提供的那氣象署這邊是提供體感溫度來做預報來提醒國人今天熱或不熱或是要不要做些中暑的預防那我要問的是說第一個\n\n01:45.439 --> 02:03.727\n氣象署未來會不會把這個有沒有機會把這個所謂綜合溫度熱指數拿回來由你們來公告相關的指數那第二個到底體感溫度比較具有參考價值還是對於這種這個綜合溫度熱指數比較參考價值署長跟委員報告其實在\n\n02:05.478 --> 02:29.298\n全球變遷的這個高溫議題裡面呢大家都很重視那因為高溫的影響其實層面很廣那委員所提的在日本這WGT的這個其實是比較接近人體的感受那氣象署在這一塊跟跟國建署還有跟中研院其實我們有合作去建一個叫做樂活氣象裡面有一個這個\n\n02:31.500 --> 02:45.927\n依據WBGT所做出來的熱傷害的預警這些訊息那這個是對人體因為它WBGT其實最重要精神上它除了風溫度濕度之外它還另外有考慮到輻射那這個輻射\n\n02:48.420 --> 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