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00:00:42,690\n那其實這些交付的部分前幾位委員我們都已經有相關質詢過那我想請教的就是在尚未交付的狀況之下那我們要如何去彌補現在的戰力的缺口還是現在其實戰力沒有缺口那預計未來要部署東部的第七聯隊先前說已經有調派8架現有的F16V的戰機進駐那這樣的調整會不會影響其他聯隊的戰力\n\n3\n00:00:46,489 --> 00:01:01,994\n空間說明包委員針對這個問題我就四個面向跟您做一個報告那第一個面向就是您剛剛提的這個戰力的部分那以往我們的在台東因為中共的威脅是全面性的所以說以往我們要補足台東這個區塊的這個戰力空隙我們是調派\n\n4\n00:01:05,655 --> 00:01:25,871\n三個主力戰機的部隊輪流進駐那現在因為因應他的這個換裝所以我們現在是專責剛剛您提到了我們才專責F16在這邊進駐那有兩個原因一個是可以增加彌補這邊的戰力空隙另外一個就是讓接裝的飛行員地勤人員能夠同步的進行他們這樣的一個訓練\n\n5\n00:01:26,832 --> 00:01:46,305\n那未來只要飛機一回來它的差異性畢竟有限而且我們的地勤人員現在台東的地勤人員已經都到美國換裝完畢了地勤人員完畢了那空勤的因為飛機還沒出來只要飛機出來他們做一個差異訓練很快就可以彌補這樣的一個戰力那在後勤的部分也跟您做一個報告\n\n6\n00:01:47,105 --> 00:02:15,230\n那我們為了增加因為現在要彌補這個戰機的空隙所以說我們在112年開始也逐漸的投入我們所有的這個備份艦讓我們所有可用的飛機能夠增加所以說在112年到現在為止我們已經逐漸投入各型機的零附件的採購讓我們現在可以用的機數增加的情況下已經投入至少175億以上那第三個就是人員訓練的部分那我們在\n\n7\n00:02:16,010 --> 00:02:22,977\n在這個人員訓練我們也是利用各種的訓練時機將我們F16的訓練強度逐漸的做一個調整也讓現在正要換裝未來要接裝的這些飛行員能夠在F16的訓練上能夠更熟悉最後一個就是飛行員的補充\n\n8\n00:02:32,887 --> 00:02:48,674\n那飛行員的補充因為我們增加了66架戰機人員當座艙比會增加所以說我們也是在112年之前每一年招訓的人跟這個飛行員的邊線比都達到我們的戰力需求那以上就是這四點的補充非常感謝非常詳盡的說明\n\n9\n00:02:50,275 --> 00:03:12,384\n那有些是操之於人有些是操之在己那我可以看到從四個面向回應的話操之在己的部分我們是有做很好的因應那特別是同步訓練也就是說時間都沒有縮短包含後勤訓練人員接種人員我想在這一個空檔的時間點讓我們有精進的作為我覺得是很好的那也因此我特別要提到就是對美相關的採購\n\n10\n00:03:13,604 --> 00:03:39,495\n那如果有相關的延宕的案件那可以跟空軍一樣就是在這一個空白的時間裡面我們不會讓他空白我們是有訓練的後勤也好還是您剛剛提到的每件事情都是有在做的那操之於人的地方我們講完了那我們操之於己的部分就是說報告報告裡面都有提到提到說這個計劃預算不符合市場行情那\n\n11\n00:03:40,856 --> 00:04:09,512\n我想請教一下現行的可行性的評估報告或者是說這些營建物價指數的更新頻率不知道部長是有沒有什麼相關的有最新的狀況可以跟我們分享一下委員所問的我們在那個報告裡面我們在3月因為我來了以後有一直在反映這個他在預算在做計劃編列的時候跟那個實際執行的那個部分沒有\n\n12\n00:04:10,032 --> 00:04:37,177\n所以我們現在在軍事工程設計作為跟作業指引有一個有一個側班所以要執行的前一年度要在前一個年度要做一個可行性的評估報告的一個審查那一個時候就要按照最新的營建物價指數跟市場行情來調修這個合理的經費編列我是因為我我去年來了以後發現很多\n\n13\n00:04:38,217 --> 00:04:55,327\n就是因為這個一是發不下去或發了下去以後還要減相減量然後還要再追加等等所以我們確實要務實的檢討然後利用這一個指引的側班然後把這個問題一定要把它改善這樣\n\n14\n00:04:56,765 --> 00:05:09,191\n謝謝因為其實這一切都跟經濟金融都還是有關聯啊那這個剛好也可以運用這個部長之前的這些長才來去看看怎麼樣因為這個是超支在我們自己的\n\n15\n00:05:09,619 --> 00:05:35,914\n因為我其實我一直在看說我們針對一些交機的延宕或者是對媒採購那有些時候就算我們持續的去督促但是就是供應鏈的問題就是供應鏈的問題那真的不見得是我們有辦法去快速去解決的那但是能夠操之在己的部分我覺得那個指引是正確的那以後我們還是要長時間去檢討那去做滾動時的調整那第二件事情就是廠商的部分\n\n16\n00:05:36,494 --> 00:05:51,324\n那我们之前有提到说这个背景审核其实背景审核里面我们为什么除了安全的顾虑之外那财务上面他有没有很稳健的这个状况我想未来也都可以更完整的来去评估\n\n17\n00:05:52,265 --> 00:06:11,752\n那部長再請教一個問題這個是跟戰略比較相關的因為最近川普總統在接受這個哥倫比亞廣播公司的節目專訪的時候他再度就這個台灣議題他有發表相關的言論他說他公開就說在那個訪談裡面\n\n18\n00:06:13,092 --> 00:06:31,117\n川普說習近平公開說過他的人馬也在會議上公開說過在川普總統任內他們絕對不會採取任何行動不知道布部長有沒有掌握過相關的這樣子的訪談那你怎麼看我們當然有注意到川普總統的\n\n19\n00:06:34,258 --> 00:06:58,067\n陸續來相關的這個講話不過我想國安部的立場還是要針對的是我們所有的這些徵喉早期的徵喉預警的徵喉以及現在即時的這些相關的這個徵喉我們運用我們所有聯合勤政手段跟我們有盟國家來進行勤政交換等等我們來掌握\n\n20\n00:06:58,747 --> 00:07:25,655\n整個台海的周邊情勢的一個變化我們看到我們應該看的是相關的徵口然後根據徵口來做一個完整的判斷我想國防部還是會採取這樣的一個立場那這個當然也包括軍事層面跟非軍事層面相關所有的中共的動態好謝謝部長那在關於左營軍港的擴建跟這個潛艦上面的規劃\n\n21\n00:07:27,065 --> 00:07:40,356\n那原本這個軍港的這個擴建它的威海計畫是最早是規劃是2019年完工那現在是延宕到2032年那預算說已經第三度擴編到590億元\n\n22\n00:07:43,058 --> 00:08:03,898\n那我想請教一下這個考量當然是我們重要的軍港那也是授予這個港區的規模我們是擔心說艦艇或者甚至是潛艦這樣子的靠譜會不會遭敵鎖定所以從這個很短的時間要出港作戰的諸多需求從2006年就開始有在編列預算\n\n23\n00:08:04,699 --> 00:08:25,558\n那我想請教一下現在潛艦所屬的戰隊基地就是左營軍港那擴建的工程會不會影響到這個潛艦的部署委員好現在韓軍資金那個參謀長報告就是我們現在潛艦的主要基地在左營\n\n24\n00:08:26,636 --> 00:08:50,476\n那未來我們整個的潛艦未來的這個後續成軍之後我們會打算要放在兩個地方因為地點的部分我們也不會在因為這個涉及到相關的部分我們不方便在那邊表但是我們在後續的這個規劃上都有這個做了一個規劃跟寓意那在做第一部分在左營港的時候是不會影響到現在擴建不會影響到我們第一階段那個左營港的潛艦的一個基地\n\n25\n00:08:50,956 --> 00:09:15,941\n所以我們的潛艦是在沒有擴建的前提下也能部署的狀況之下去設計它也會在同樣會做一個擴建但它地點不會有影響到它的工程那規劃第二基地的話想請教一下這個時程上面的話是要怎麼樣去哪一個節點就是說對我們來講說我們希望是在什麼時間點規劃完成或者是來把它執行完成\n\n26\n00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:35,209\n跟委員報告那我目前會先以左營的地方來做擴建為主那國營擴建完之後我們第二階段才會到第二個地點再去做一些整建跟一個設計規劃跟興建好謝謝謝謝那部長最後是針對這一個之前的一個義務役新兵\n\n27\n00:09:35,789 --> 00:09:48,691\n的涉及意外那他是來自我們嘉義那中不鄉那我有特別之前有跟找一個時間來去慰問那我們當然對這件事情是非常的遺憾\n\n28\n00:09:49,451 --> 00:10:12,885\n那目前這個受傷的新兵我們是希望國防部一定要提供最大的協助那除了這個家屬非常擔憂的就是真相的部分之外那醫療上面的協助跟全力讓受傷的同仁能夠恢復到正常的生活因為我看現在還是在加護病房治療嘛那所以還是在昏迷那雖然說昏迷指數有\n\n29\n00:10:14,312 --> 00:10:38,140\n比較好但還是中毒昏迷所以這個部分這個意外目前最新的調查結果是怎麼樣我想第一個我們一定會對他做最大的醫療的照顧那第二個就是有關這些調查的工作現在已經交給檢調所以我想在偵查中的話我們可能不適宜來公開表示一個意見\n\n30\n00:10:40,239 --> 00:11:02,053\n但是這個接下來的為我們補助這些因為我們看過他們家庭是我們還是希望說這國防部就是定時定期的還是要派員去訪視最近有去再訪視嗎都有持續的掌握這位弟兄的病情然後也都跟家屬都有保持聯繫\n\n31\n00:11:03,376 --> 00:11:32,816\n那一樣我們也是任何的這種訓練靶場的安全我們都是很重視的但是也是希望說不要因為這件事情讓就因淹廢死那不訓練也不對但是對於我們受傷的這些傷員那必須要提供給最好的這個協助那特別是他的槍傷的面積是很大的我們先初步了解是還有後面的這一個你說重建也好那還有這一個\n\n32\n00:11:33,896 --> 00:11:59,478\n相关的整治整形的医疗那我们都希望说能够全力来去协助那这我相信在未来只要有训练就有可能会发生意外意外是不可能不可能不发生那所以我希望藉由这一次的话包含后续的医疗的这样子的做法那可以更加的完整就是让特别是针对这一些他的至亲他的这些亲人的\n\n33\n00:12:00,198 --> 00:12:22,854\n這個心靈上面的輔導我想都很重要因為對他們來講這個年輕人是他們重要的支柱好不好來全力協助是我們一定會做好跟家屬的這方面的一個輔導我們中埔的鄉親還是再次希望能夠定期的去協助特別是心靈上面的輔導跟醫療上面的支持因為我們知道國軍\n\n34\n00:12:23,836 --> 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地勤人員能夠同步的進行他們這樣的一個訓練\n86832\t106305\t那未來只要飛機一回來它的差異性畢竟有限而且我們的地勤人員現在台東的地勤人員已經都到美國換裝完畢了地勤人員完畢了那空勤的因為飛機還沒出來只要飛機出來他們做一個差異訓練很快就可以彌補這樣的一個戰力那在後勤的部分也跟您做一個報告\n107105\t135230\t那我們為了增加因為現在要彌補這個戰機的空隙所以說我們在112年開始也逐漸的投入我們所有的這個備份艦讓我們所有可用的飛機能夠增加所以說在112年到現在為止我們已經逐漸投入各型機的零附件的採購讓我們現在可以用的機數增加的情況下已經投入至少175億以上那第三個就是人員訓練的部分那我們在\n136010\t142977\t在這個人員訓練我們也是利用各種的訓練時機將我們F16的訓練強度逐漸的做一個調整也讓現在正要換裝未來要接裝的這些飛行員能夠在F16的訓練上能夠更熟悉最後一個就是飛行員的補充\n152887\t168674\t那飛行員的補充因為我們增加了66架戰機人員當座艙比會增加所以說我們也是在112年之前每一年招訓的人跟這個飛行員的邊線比都達到我們的戰力需求那以上就是這四點的補充非常感謝非常詳盡的說明\n170275\t192384\t那有些是操之於人有些是操之在己那我可以看到從四個面向回應的話操之在己的部分我們是有做很好的因應那特別是同步訓練也就是說時間都沒有縮短包含後勤訓練人員接種人員我想在這一個空檔的時間點讓我們有精進的作為我覺得是很好的那也因此我特別要提到就是對美相關的採購\n193604\t219495\t那如果有相關的延宕的案件那可以跟空軍一樣就是在這一個空白的時間裡面我們不會讓他空白我們是有訓練的後勤也好還是您剛剛提到的每件事情都是有在做的那操之於人的地方我們講完了那我們操之於己的部分就是說報告報告裡面都有提到提到說這個計劃預算不符合市場行情那\n220856\t249512\t我想請教一下現行的可行性的評估報告或者是說這些營建物價指數的更新頻率不知道部長是有沒有什麼相關的有最新的狀況可以跟我們分享一下委員所問的我們在那個報告裡面我們在3月因為我來了以後有一直在反映這個他在預算在做計劃編列的時候跟那個實際執行的那個部分沒有\n250032\t277177\t所以我們現在在軍事工程設計作為跟作業指引有一個有一個側班所以要執行的前一年度要在前一個年度要做一個可行性的評估報告的一個審查那一個時候就要按照最新的營建物價指數跟市場行情來調修這個合理的經費編列我是因為我我去年來了以後發現很多\n278217\t295327\t就是因為這個一是發不下去或發了下去以後還要減相減量然後還要再追加等等所以我們確實要務實的檢討然後利用這一個指引的側班然後把這個問題一定要把它改善這樣\n296765\t309191\t謝謝因為其實這一切都跟經濟金融都還是有關聯啊那這個剛好也可以運用這個部長之前的這些長才來去看看怎麼樣因為這個是超支在我們自己的\n309619\t335914\t因為我其實我一直在看說我們針對一些交機的延宕或者是對媒採購那有些時候就算我們持續的去督促但是就是供應鏈的問題就是供應鏈的問題那真的不見得是我們有辦法去快速去解決的那但是能夠操之在己的部分我覺得那個指引是正確的那以後我們還是要長時間去檢討那去做滾動時的調整那第二件事情就是廠商的部分\n336494\t351324\t那我们之前有提到说这个背景审核其实背景审核里面我们为什么除了安全的顾虑之外那财务上面他有没有很稳健的这个状况我想未来也都可以更完整的来去评估\n352265\t371752\t那部長再請教一個問題這個是跟戰略比較相關的因為最近川普總統在接受這個哥倫比亞廣播公司的節目專訪的時候他再度就這個台灣議題他有發表相關的言論他說他公開就說在那個訪談裡面\n373092\t391117\t川普說習近平公開說過他的人馬也在會議上公開說過在川普總統任內他們絕對不會採取任何行動不知道布部長有沒有掌握過相關的這樣子的訪談那你怎麼看我們當然有注意到川普總統的\n394258\t418067\t陸續來相關的這個講話不過我想國安部的立場還是要針對的是我們所有的這些徵喉早期的徵喉 預警的徵喉以及現在即時的這些相關的這個徵喉我們運用我們所有聯合勤政手段跟我們有盟國家來進行勤政交換等等我們來掌握\n418747\t445655\t整個台海的周邊情勢的一個變化我們看到 我們應該看的是相關的徵口然後根據徵口來做一個完整的判斷我想國防部還是會採取這樣的一個立場那這個當然也包括軍事層面跟非軍事層面相關所有的中共的動態好 謝謝部長那在關於左營軍港的擴建跟這個潛艦上面的規劃\n447065\t460356\t那原本這個軍港的這個擴建它的威海計畫是最早是規劃是2019年完工那現在是延宕到2032年那預算說已經第三度擴編到590億元\n463058\t483898\t那我想請教一下這個考量當然是我們重要的軍港那也是授予這個港區的規模我們是擔心說艦艇或者甚至是潛艦這樣子的靠譜會不會遭敵鎖定所以從這個很短的時間要出港作戰的諸多需求從2006年就開始有在編列預算\n484699\t505558\t那我想請教一下 現在潛艦所屬的戰隊基地 就是左營軍港那擴建的工程會不會影響到這個潛艦的部署委員好 現在韓軍資金那個參謀長報告就是我們現在潛艦的主要基地在左營\n506636\t530476\t那未來我們整個的潛艦未來的這個後續成軍之後我們會打算要放在兩個地方因為地點的部分我們也不會在因為這個涉及到相關的部分我們不方便在那邊表但是我們在後續的這個規劃上都有這個做了一個規劃跟寓意那在做第一部分在左營港的時候是不會影響到現在擴建不會影響到我們第一階段那個左營港的潛艦的一個基地\n530956\t555941\t所以我們的潛艦是在沒有擴建的前提下也能部署的狀況之下去設計它也會在同樣會做一個擴建但它地點不會有影響到它的工程那規劃第二基地的話想請教一下這個時程上面的話是要怎麼樣去哪一個節點就是說對我們來講說我們希望是在什麼時間點規劃完成或者是來把它執行完成\n557360\t575209\t跟委員報告 那我目前會先以左營的地方來做擴建為主那國營擴建完之後我們第二階段才會到第二個地點再去做一些整建跟一個設計規劃跟興建好 謝謝 謝謝那部長最後是針對這一個之前的一個義務役新兵\n575789\t588691\t的涉及意外那他是來自我們嘉義那中不鄉那我有特別之前有跟找一個時間來去慰問那我們當然對這件事情是非常的遺憾\n589451\t612885\t那目前這個受傷的新兵我們是希望國防部一定要提供最大的協助那除了這個家屬非常擔憂的就是真相的部分之外那醫療上面的協助跟全力讓受傷的同仁能夠恢復到正常的生活因為我看現在還是在加護病房治療嘛那所以還是在昏迷那雖然說昏迷指數有\n614312\t638140\t比較好但還是中毒昏迷所以這個部分這個意外目前最新的調查結果是怎麼樣我想第一個我們一定會對他做最大的醫療的照顧那第二個就是有關這些調查的工作現在已經交給檢調所以我想在偵查中的話我們可能不適宜來公開表示一個意見\n640239\t662053\t但是這個接下來的為我們補助這些因為我們看過他們家庭是我們還是希望說這國防部就是定時定期的還是要派員去訪視最近有去再訪視嗎都有持續的掌握這位弟兄的病情然後也都跟家屬都有保持聯繫\n663376\t692816\t那一樣我們也是任何的這種訓練 靶場的安全我們都是很重視的但是也是希望說不要因為這件事情讓就因淹廢死那不訓練也不對但是對於我們受傷的這些傷員那必須要提供給最好的這個協助那特別是他的槍傷的面積是很大的我們先初步了解是還有後面的這一個你說重建也好那還有這一個\n693896\t719478\t相关的整治整形的医疗那我们都希望说能够全力来去协助那这我相信在未来只要有训练就有可能会发生意外意外是不可能不可能不发生那所以我希望藉由这一次的话包含后续的医疗的这样子的做法那可以更加的完整就是让特别是针对这一些他的至亲他的这些亲人的\n720198\t742854\t這個心靈上面的輔導我想都很重要因為對他們來講這個年輕人是他們重要的支柱好不好來全力協助是我們一定會做好跟家屬的這方面的一個輔導我們中埔的鄉親還是再次希望能夠定期的去協助特別是心靈上面的輔導跟醫療上面的支持因為我們知道國軍\n743836\t751638\t很多醫院特別是在重大的這種創傷的協助會是 當然好不好 我們幫他找最好的醫生是 當然\n","txt":"那剛才王定宇委員有提到這個關於F16V戰機的這個交付的部分\n那其實這些交付的部分前幾位委員我們都已經有相關質詢過那我想請教的就是在尚未交付的狀況之下那我們要如何去彌補現在的戰力的缺口還是現在其實戰力沒有缺口那預計未來要部署東部的第七聯隊先前說已經有調派8架現有的F16V的戰機進駐那這樣的調整會不會影響其他聯隊的戰力\n空間說明包委員針對這個問題我就四個面向跟您做一個報告那第一個面向就是您剛剛提的這個戰力的部分那以往我們的在台東因為中共的威脅是全面性的所以說以往我們要補足台東這個區塊的這個戰力空隙我們是調派\n三個主力戰機的部隊輪流進駐那現在因為因應他的這個換裝所以我們現在是專責剛剛您提到了我們才專責F16在這邊進駐那有兩個原因一個是可以增加彌補這邊的戰力空隙另外一個就是讓接裝的飛行員 地勤人員能夠同步的進行他們這樣的一個訓練\n那未來只要飛機一回來它的差異性畢竟有限而且我們的地勤人員現在台東的地勤人員已經都到美國換裝完畢了地勤人員完畢了那空勤的因為飛機還沒出來只要飛機出來他們做一個差異訓練很快就可以彌補這樣的一個戰力那在後勤的部分也跟您做一個報告\n那我們為了增加因為現在要彌補這個戰機的空隙所以說我們在112年開始也逐漸的投入我們所有的這個備份艦讓我們所有可用的飛機能夠增加所以說在112年到現在為止我們已經逐漸投入各型機的零附件的採購讓我們現在可以用的機數增加的情況下已經投入至少175億以上那第三個就是人員訓練的部分那我們在\n在這個人員訓練我們也是利用各種的訓練時機將我們F16的訓練強度逐漸的做一個調整也讓現在正要換裝未來要接裝的這些飛行員能夠在F16的訓練上能夠更熟悉最後一個就是飛行員的補充\n那飛行員的補充因為我們增加了66架戰機人員當座艙比會增加所以說我們也是在112年之前每一年招訓的人跟這個飛行員的邊線比都達到我們的戰力需求那以上就是這四點的補充非常感謝非常詳盡的說明\n那有些是操之於人有些是操之在己那我可以看到從四個面向回應的話操之在己的部分我們是有做很好的因應那特別是同步訓練也就是說時間都沒有縮短包含後勤訓練人員接種人員我想在這一個空檔的時間點讓我們有精進的作為我覺得是很好的那也因此我特別要提到就是對美相關的採購\n那如果有相關的延宕的案件那可以跟空軍一樣就是在這一個空白的時間裡面我們不會讓他空白我們是有訓練的後勤也好還是您剛剛提到的每件事情都是有在做的那操之於人的地方我們講完了那我們操之於己的部分就是說報告報告裡面都有提到提到說這個計劃預算不符合市場行情那\n我想請教一下現行的可行性的評估報告或者是說這些營建物價指數的更新頻率不知道部長是有沒有什麼相關的有最新的狀況可以跟我們分享一下委員所問的我們在那個報告裡面我們在3月因為我來了以後有一直在反映這個他在預算在做計劃編列的時候跟那個實際執行的那個部分沒有\n所以我們現在在軍事工程設計作為跟作業指引有一個有一個側班所以要執行的前一年度要在前一個年度要做一個可行性的評估報告的一個審查那一個時候就要按照最新的營建物價指數跟市場行情來調修這個合理的經費編列我是因為我我去年來了以後發現很多\n就是因為這個一是發不下去或發了下去以後還要減相減量然後還要再追加等等所以我們確實要務實的檢討然後利用這一個指引的側班然後把這個問題一定要把它改善這樣\n謝謝因為其實這一切都跟經濟金融都還是有關聯啊那這個剛好也可以運用這個部長之前的這些長才來去看看怎麼樣因為這個是超支在我們自己的\n因為我其實我一直在看說我們針對一些交機的延宕或者是對媒採購那有些時候就算我們持續的去督促但是就是供應鏈的問題就是供應鏈的問題那真的不見得是我們有辦法去快速去解決的那但是能夠操之在己的部分我覺得那個指引是正確的那以後我們還是要長時間去檢討那去做滾動時的調整那第二件事情就是廠商的部分\n那我们之前有提到说这个背景审核其实背景审核里面我们为什么除了安全的顾虑之外那财务上面他有没有很稳健的这个状况我想未来也都可以更完整的来去评估\n那部長再請教一個問題這個是跟戰略比較相關的因為最近川普總統在接受這個哥倫比亞廣播公司的節目專訪的時候他再度就這個台灣議題他有發表相關的言論他說他公開就說在那個訪談裡面\n川普說習近平公開說過他的人馬也在會議上公開說過在川普總統任內他們絕對不會採取任何行動不知道布部長有沒有掌握過相關的這樣子的訪談那你怎麼看我們當然有注意到川普總統的\n陸續來相關的這個講話不過我想國安部的立場還是要針對的是我們所有的這些徵喉早期的徵喉 預警的徵喉以及現在即時的這些相關的這個徵喉我們運用我們所有聯合勤政手段跟我們有盟國家來進行勤政交換等等我們來掌握\n整個台海的周邊情勢的一個變化我們看到 我們應該看的是相關的徵口然後根據徵口來做一個完整的判斷我想國防部還是會採取這樣的一個立場那這個當然也包括軍事層面跟非軍事層面相關所有的中共的動態好 謝謝部長那在關於左營軍港的擴建跟這個潛艦上面的規劃\n那原本這個軍港的這個擴建它的威海計畫是最早是規劃是2019年完工那現在是延宕到2032年那預算說已經第三度擴編到590億元\n那我想請教一下這個考量當然是我們重要的軍港那也是授予這個港區的規模我們是擔心說艦艇或者甚至是潛艦這樣子的靠譜會不會遭敵鎖定所以從這個很短的時間要出港作戰的諸多需求從2006年就開始有在編列預算\n那我想請教一下 現在潛艦所屬的戰隊基地 就是左營軍港那擴建的工程會不會影響到這個潛艦的部署委員好 現在韓軍資金那個參謀長報告就是我們現在潛艦的主要基地在左營\n那未來我們整個的潛艦未來的這個後續成軍之後我們會打算要放在兩個地方因為地點的部分我們也不會在因為這個涉及到相關的部分我們不方便在那邊表但是我們在後續的這個規劃上都有這個做了一個規劃跟寓意那在做第一部分在左營港的時候是不會影響到現在擴建不會影響到我們第一階段那個左營港的潛艦的一個基地\n所以我們的潛艦是在沒有擴建的前提下也能部署的狀況之下去設計它也會在同樣會做一個擴建但它地點不會有影響到它的工程那規劃第二基地的話想請教一下這個時程上面的話是要怎麼樣去哪一個節點就是說對我們來講說我們希望是在什麼時間點規劃完成或者是來把它執行完成\n跟委員報告 那我目前會先以左營的地方來做擴建為主那國營擴建完之後我們第二階段才會到第二個地點再去做一些整建跟一個設計規劃跟興建好 謝謝 謝謝那部長最後是針對這一個之前的一個義務役新兵\n的涉及意外那他是來自我們嘉義那中不鄉那我有特別之前有跟找一個時間來去慰問那我們當然對這件事情是非常的遺憾\n那目前這個受傷的新兵我們是希望國防部一定要提供最大的協助那除了這個家屬非常擔憂的就是真相的部分之外那醫療上面的協助跟全力讓受傷的同仁能夠恢復到正常的生活因為我看現在還是在加護病房治療嘛那所以還是在昏迷那雖然說昏迷指數有\n比較好但還是中毒昏迷所以這個部分這個意外目前最新的調查結果是怎麼樣我想第一個我們一定會對他做最大的醫療的照顧那第二個就是有關這些調查的工作現在已經交給檢調所以我想在偵查中的話我們可能不適宜來公開表示一個意見\n但是這個接下來的為我們補助這些因為我們看過他們家庭是我們還是希望說這國防部就是定時定期的還是要派員去訪視最近有去再訪視嗎都有持續的掌握這位弟兄的病情然後也都跟家屬都有保持聯繫\n那一樣我們也是任何的這種訓練 靶場的安全我們都是很重視的但是也是希望說不要因為這件事情讓就因淹廢死那不訓練也不對但是對於我們受傷的這些傷員那必須要提供給最好的這個協助那特別是他的槍傷的面積是很大的我們先初步了解是還有後面的這一個你說重建也好那還有這一個\n相关的整治整形的医疗那我们都希望说能够全力来去协助那这我相信在未来只要有训练就有可能会发生意外意外是不可能不可能不发生那所以我希望藉由这一次的话包含后续的医疗的这样子的做法那可以更加的完整就是让特别是针对这一些他的至亲他的这些亲人的\n這個心靈上面的輔導我想都很重要因為對他們來講這個年輕人是他們重要的支柱好不好來全力協助是我們一定會做好跟家屬的這方面的一個輔導我們中埔的鄉親還是再次希望能夠定期的去協助特別是心靈上面的輔導跟醫療上面的支持因為我們知道國軍\n很多醫院特別是在重大的這種創傷的協助會是 當然好不好 我們幫他找最好的醫生是 當然\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.109 --> 00:02.752\n那剛才王定宇委員有提到這個關於F16V戰機的這個交付的部分\n\n00:16.365 --> 00:42.690\n那其實這些交付的部分前幾位委員我們都已經有相關質詢過那我想請教的就是在尚未交付的狀況之下那我們要如何去彌補現在的戰力的缺口還是現在其實戰力沒有缺口那預計未來要部署東部的第七聯隊先前說已經有調派8架現有的F16V的戰機進駐那這樣的調整會不會影響其他聯隊的戰力\n\n00:46.489 --> 01:01.994\n空間說明包委員針對這個問題我就四個面向跟您做一個報告那第一個面向就是您剛剛提的這個戰力的部分那以往我們的在台東因為中共的威脅是全面性的所以說以往我們要補足台東這個區塊的這個戰力空隙我們是調派\n\n01:05.655 --> 01:25.871\n三個主力戰機的部隊輪流進駐那現在因為因應他的這個換裝所以我們現在是專責剛剛您提到了我們才專責F16在這邊進駐那有兩個原因一個是可以增加彌補這邊的戰力空隙另外一個就是讓接裝的飛行員地勤人員能夠同步的進行他們這樣的一個訓練\n\n01:26.832 --> 01:46.305\n那未來只要飛機一回來它的差異性畢竟有限而且我們的地勤人員現在台東的地勤人員已經都到美國換裝完畢了地勤人員完畢了那空勤的因為飛機還沒出來只要飛機出來他們做一個差異訓練很快就可以彌補這樣的一個戰力那在後勤的部分也跟您做一個報告\n\n01:47.105 --> 02:15.230\n那我們為了增加因為現在要彌補這個戰機的空隙所以說我們在112年開始也逐漸的投入我們所有的這個備份艦讓我們所有可用的飛機能夠增加所以說在112年到現在為止我們已經逐漸投入各型機的零附件的採購讓我們現在可以用的機數增加的情況下已經投入至少175億以上那第三個就是人員訓練的部分那我們在\n\n02:16.010 --> 02:22.977\n在這個人員訓練我們也是利用各種的訓練時機將我們F16的訓練強度逐漸的做一個調整也讓現在正要換裝未來要接裝的這些飛行員能夠在F16的訓練上能夠更熟悉最後一個就是飛行員的補充\n\n02:32.887 --> 02:48.674\n那飛行員的補充因為我們增加了66架戰機人員當座艙比會增加所以說我們也是在112年之前每一年招訓的人跟這個飛行員的邊線比都達到我們的戰力需求那以上就是這四點的補充非常感謝非常詳盡的說明\n\n02:50.275 --> 03:12.384\n那有些是操之於人有些是操之在己那我可以看到從四個面向回應的話操之在己的部分我們是有做很好的因應那特別是同步訓練也就是說時間都沒有縮短包含後勤訓練人員接種人員我想在這一個空檔的時間點讓我們有精進的作為我覺得是很好的那也因此我特別要提到就是對美相關的採購\n\n03:13.604 --> 03:39.495\n那如果有相關的延宕的案件那可以跟空軍一樣就是在這一個空白的時間裡面我們不會讓他空白我們是有訓練的後勤也好還是您剛剛提到的每件事情都是有在做的那操之於人的地方我們講完了那我們操之於己的部分就是說報告報告裡面都有提到提到說這個計劃預算不符合市場行情那\n\n03:40.856 --> 04:09.512\n我想請教一下現行的可行性的評估報告或者是說這些營建物價指數的更新頻率不知道部長是有沒有什麼相關的有最新的狀況可以跟我們分享一下委員所問的我們在那個報告裡面我們在3月因為我來了以後有一直在反映這個他在預算在做計劃編列的時候跟那個實際執行的那個部分沒有\n\n04:10.032 --> 04:37.177\n所以我們現在在軍事工程設計作為跟作業指引有一個有一個側班所以要執行的前一年度要在前一個年度要做一個可行性的評估報告的一個審查那一個時候就要按照最新的營建物價指數跟市場行情來調修這個合理的經費編列我是因為我我去年來了以後發現很多\n\n04:38.217 --> 04:55.327\n就是因為這個一是發不下去或發了下去以後還要減相減量然後還要再追加等等所以我們確實要務實的檢討然後利用這一個指引的側班然後把這個問題一定要把它改善這樣\n\n04:56.765 --> 05:09.191\n謝謝因為其實這一切都跟經濟金融都還是有關聯啊那這個剛好也可以運用這個部長之前的這些長才來去看看怎麼樣因為這個是超支在我們自己的\n\n05:09.619 --> 05:35.914\n因為我其實我一直在看說我們針對一些交機的延宕或者是對媒採購那有些時候就算我們持續的去督促但是就是供應鏈的問題就是供應鏈的問題那真的不見得是我們有辦法去快速去解決的那但是能夠操之在己的部分我覺得那個指引是正確的那以後我們還是要長時間去檢討那去做滾動時的調整那第二件事情就是廠商的部分\n\n05:36.494 --> 05:51.324\n那我们之前有提到说这个背景审核其实背景审核里面我们为什么除了安全的顾虑之外那财务上面他有没有很稳健的这个状况我想未来也都可以更完整的来去评估\n\n05:52.265 --> 06:11.752\n那部長再請教一個問題這個是跟戰略比較相關的因為最近川普總統在接受這個哥倫比亞廣播公司的節目專訪的時候他再度就這個台灣議題他有發表相關的言論他說他公開就說在那個訪談裡面\n\n06:13.092 --> 06:31.117\n川普說習近平公開說過他的人馬也在會議上公開說過在川普總統任內他們絕對不會採取任何行動不知道布部長有沒有掌握過相關的這樣子的訪談那你怎麼看我們當然有注意到川普總統的\n\n06:34.258 --> 06:58.067\n陸續來相關的這個講話不過我想國安部的立場還是要針對的是我們所有的這些徵喉早期的徵喉預警的徵喉以及現在即時的這些相關的這個徵喉我們運用我們所有聯合勤政手段跟我們有盟國家來進行勤政交換等等我們來掌握\n\n06:58.747 --> 07:25.655\n整個台海的周邊情勢的一個變化我們看到我們應該看的是相關的徵口然後根據徵口來做一個完整的判斷我想國防部還是會採取這樣的一個立場那這個當然也包括軍事層面跟非軍事層面相關所有的中共的動態好謝謝部長那在關於左營軍港的擴建跟這個潛艦上面的規劃\n\n07:27.065 --> 07:40.356\n那原本這個軍港的這個擴建它的威海計畫是最早是規劃是2019年完工那現在是延宕到2032年那預算說已經第三度擴編到590億元\n\n07:43.058 --> 08:03.898\n那我想請教一下這個考量當然是我們重要的軍港那也是授予這個港區的規模我們是擔心說艦艇或者甚至是潛艦這樣子的靠譜會不會遭敵鎖定所以從這個很短的時間要出港作戰的諸多需求從2006年就開始有在編列預算\n\n08:04.699 --> 08:25.558\n那我想請教一下現在潛艦所屬的戰隊基地就是左營軍港那擴建的工程會不會影響到這個潛艦的部署委員好現在韓軍資金那個參謀長報告就是我們現在潛艦的主要基地在左營\n\n08:26.636 --> 08:50.476\n那未來我們整個的潛艦未來的這個後續成軍之後我們會打算要放在兩個地方因為地點的部分我們也不會在因為這個涉及到相關的部分我們不方便在那邊表但是我們在後續的這個規劃上都有這個做了一個規劃跟寓意那在做第一部分在左營港的時候是不會影響到現在擴建不會影響到我們第一階段那個左營港的潛艦的一個基地\n\n08:50.956 --> 09:15.941\n所以我們的潛艦是在沒有擴建的前提下也能部署的狀況之下去設計它也會在同樣會做一個擴建但它地點不會有影響到它的工程那規劃第二基地的話想請教一下這個時程上面的話是要怎麼樣去哪一個節點就是說對我們來講說我們希望是在什麼時間點規劃完成或者是來把它執行完成\n\n09:17.360 --> 09:35.209\n跟委員報告那我目前會先以左營的地方來做擴建為主那國營擴建完之後我們第二階段才會到第二個地點再去做一些整建跟一個設計規劃跟興建好謝謝謝謝那部長最後是針對這一個之前的一個義務役新兵\n\n09:35.789 --> 09:48.691\n的涉及意外那他是來自我們嘉義那中不鄉那我有特別之前有跟找一個時間來去慰問那我們當然對這件事情是非常的遺憾\n\n09:49.451 --> 10:12.885\n那目前這個受傷的新兵我們是希望國防部一定要提供最大的協助那除了這個家屬非常擔憂的就是真相的部分之外那醫療上面的協助跟全力讓受傷的同仁能夠恢復到正常的生活因為我看現在還是在加護病房治療嘛那所以還是在昏迷那雖然說昏迷指數有\n\n10:14.312 --> 10:38.140\n比較好但還是中毒昏迷所以這個部分這個意外目前最新的調查結果是怎麼樣我想第一個我們一定會對他做最大的醫療的照顧那第二個就是有關這些調查的工作現在已經交給檢調所以我想在偵查中的話我們可能不適宜來公開表示一個意見\n\n10:40.239 --> 11:02.053\n但是這個接下來的為我們補助這些因為我們看過他們家庭是我們還是希望說這國防部就是定時定期的還是要派員去訪視最近有去再訪視嗎都有持續的掌握這位弟兄的病情然後也都跟家屬都有保持聯繫\n\n11:03.376 --> 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