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00:00:03,416\n好謝謝主席麻煩要請我們呂署長請署長\n\n2\n00:00:13,399 --> 00:00:39,258\n喂主任好這幾天我的辦公室也跟我講一件事情我也不知道是不是常識但是他們跟我講的才知道就是我們的手機很多的手機不管是哪一個系統大概都會有內建的天氣的預報後來發現這個天氣的預報好像都不是我們氣象署的資料好像都是各個平台系統他們都有合作的一個國際的氣象預報公司所擷取的資料\n\n3\n00:00:39,798 --> 00:01:00,233\n那我不曉得署長我們自己本身的提供資料跟這些可能手機系統就無論是Apple或者是你說Samsung或是任何OPPO之類的一些手機他們所合作的氣象預報在我們台灣啦當然就我們台灣的地理環境條條件而言我們的會比他們準確吧跟委員報告會\n\n4\n00:01:01,238 --> 00:01:21,225\n會嘛那實際上我們氣象署應該也都有做過做一些opendata嘛就是一些資料的開放讓所有第三方的系統都可以借接嘛各位報告是的我們有我們的opendata其實下載量跟那個量跟次數其實都蠻高的\n\n5\n00:01:22,525 --> 00:01:46,348\n其實我覺得我們自己本身氣象署應該有自己的APP嘛對不對那我認為啦因為有時候大家久了就習慣大家喜歡看手機嘛那很多有時候我們看手機啊看到了如果說實際上的預報跟我們實際上未來的體驗不一樣的時候其實大家不會去怪那個手機平台你知道嗎大家會去想說我們的氣象報告怎麼又不準了\n\n6\n00:01:46,949 --> 00:02:13,420\n但實際上這件事情好像如果說這樣子邏輯推理的話好像不是我們的錯啦我給你一點時間你們工商服務一下好不好好的其實我們氣象署的APP裡面包含的成本還蠻高的我們建構的雷達建構的雨量站我們有一千多個雨量站在這個資料裡面我們有七顆雷達的資料在這個資料裡面其實這一些背後包含的成本都應該是好幾億在裡面的成本\n\n7\n00:02:13,940 --> 00:02:31,139\n那這裡面的資料所發布的天氣預報資料我們知道天氣預報預報有一個模型在做預報那這個模型在做預報的時候其實它通常需要有地面資料觀測資料去做叫做校正調整它能夠去調整到你真的國外的氣象公司沒有辦法做到這一點\n\n8\n00:02:31,559 --> 00:02:51,877\n一般氣象公司它沒有這麼多台灣的這些基本的資料在裡面所以你可以看到它還是有預報它是沒有校正過的那我想大家應該都有知道有一個APP很有名叫做Windy它裡面可以看到很漂亮的那些動畫颱風一看就知道氣象署做的哪有它這麼好\n\n9\n00:02:52,918 --> 00:03:12,193\n的確是他做的真的非常好而且他在全世界是非常非常都有受用的可是你假如說你要看到進去阿里山的天氣他就跟氣象署爆出來會不一樣因為他沒有足夠的資料去我們有沒有比較過準確率之類的我們有沒有去這集本身應該會有吧\n\n10\n00:03:13,652 --> 00:03:32,695\n如果從雨量上來看的話其中Windy看的雨量看不出台灣的山前跟山後的差別看不大出來不過你如果從氣象署的定量降雨預報的話你就可以看得出那些大概是什麼顏色大概雨量大概會照就可以看得很清楚所以從空間的解析度來講他們的解析度可能就是\n\n11\n00:03:33,776 --> 00:03:55,451\n10公里20公里的解析度不過氣象局的解析度跟委員報告我們是2.5公里的解析度所以我們有比較細的資料比較精密的資料這些資料是從我們觀測資料去做校正出來的所以能夠反映的現況跟預測是比這些商用的這些APP因為商用APP它必須要滿足全世界通用的這個概念\n\n12\n00:03:55,911 --> 00:04:20,394\n因為手機你可能所以我們沒有針對商用的這些國際各大的一個氣象公司我們現在的所做的預報去做一些跟我們去做比較我們focus的這一塊是做台灣的但是你們有非常高的自信我們自己氣象署的APP所釋放出的訊息一定都比這些手機他們合作的無論是他自己本身的或合作的一個氣象提供的準確度是高非常多的準確度一定比較高\n\n13\n00:04:20,694 --> 00:04:47,392\n好那剛剛署長有提到我們的精密度到2.5公里那我們因為其實台灣的這個地形地貌非常的多變所以說就變成說明明是非常近的距離卻有可能會有不一樣的一個天氣形態可能當然就可能降雨或沒降雨或者是沒有烏雲或晴天當然也不太可能大太陽跟下雨天那我想確認一下我們現在的現在的經濟度是2.5公里\n\n14\n00:04:51,515 --> 00:05:10,075\n2.5公里的話是我們的單位是什麼平方嗎還是6.25平方公里6.25平方公里嘛就2.5乘2.5好那我們下一個目標呢因為我們你也知道就成我剛剛說的台灣的地形非常的複雜我們有沒有下一階段的一個目標能夠把這個精細度做到更細這樣子\n\n15\n00:05:10,475 --> 00:05:27,615\n好跟委員報告現在的地面觀測站的水平距離我們全台有漁量站有1300多個水平觀測距離大概有3公里到5公里所以說我如果做的比他還小的話就必須做內插\n\n16\n00:05:28,956 --> 00:05:52,687\n不過我們降於我們的雷達觀測我們的雷達觀測可以小到200多公尺最密的就是離雷達很近的地方它可以看到比較細的資料那衛星它的觀測大概是1公里一個網格點所以我們的預測如果說預測到比2.5公里更小的話我們就必須善用這些資料去做應用那就目前來講氣象署是有往這個方向去推\n\n17\n00:05:53,507 --> 00:06:17,768\n那現在我們這2.5公里大概可以做到所謂的鄉鎮預報鄉鎮市區的尺度的預報那氣象署就我所知道現在因為其實就以像新北市這麼大嘛其實新北市包括台北市的東南西北全部都是新北市嘛那你就是必須要針對新北市的各個不同的區域去做分析嘛那常常像我自己的居住地是汐止嘛常常以前念書的時候騎摩托車從汐止\n\n18\n00:06:20,050 --> 00:06:49,530\n騎沒三分鐘到台北突然發現就只有我們身上有穿雨衣你知道嗎常常會有這樣的現象雨停了對啊那我們如果說2.5公里其實對都會區來講的話其實2.5公里還是一個蠻長的一塊距離啦如果說它的地形有明顯的落差的時候2.5公里可能就會有造成不一樣的一個騎肉型態啦那我們剛剛署長說你有下一階段的目標那現在是6.25平方公里的一個區塊嘛那下一段的目標你們是大概設定到多少的精細度\n\n19\n00:06:51,231 --> 00:07:11,482\n鄉鎮預報接下來就是村里預報是那村里預報我們目前估計大概要下到一公里的解析度才能夠去解構出村里預報的等級就一乘一這樣子嗎對對對好那現階段我們這樣子的目標有沒有設定不過這一些因為我們的高速電腦的運算呢網格點越細的話它會花更多的時間去處理這件事情是\n\n20\n00:07:12,233 --> 00:07:34,220\n那將來有...所以原則上設備大概原則上就這樣子但後續都是靠系統的模型去做推測對對對那將來有機會有機會如果說AI發展到一個程度的話它可以做更多的辨識還有更多的應用因為AI它在訓練模組的時候需要很多的算力等它訓練好之後在應用部分它的算力就會節省很多\n\n21\n00:07:34,500 --> 00:07:58,068\n好謝謝那最後一個小問題我們氣象署有沒有跟這個觀光署那邊去做全台觀光景點的一個合作的天氣預報的界階有其實在13個風景區其實我們都有合作那甚至在他們在放熱氣球的時候其實我們也可以做有跟他們做及時的預報讓他們活動能夠順利九份就在那邊大家都到九份那邊但是九份下雨瑞芳不一定下雨\n\n22\n00:07:58,448 --> 00:08:15,004\n對方車站不一定下雨尤其是三層的地方氣象的特別的明顯那這部分我覺得後續可以再做一些更精密的一些每個景點或許你剛剛講十多個觀光景區嘛對不對那後續可能是不是不一定它是一個觀光景區而是一個我們認為的一個國際觀光客的一個熱門景點或國內認為觀光客的景點我們都可以來做加強好不好以上謝謝謝謝主席好謝謝廖千祥委員發言完畢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2489\t3416\t好 謝謝主席 麻煩要請我們呂署長請署長\n13399\t39258\t喂 主任好這幾天我的辦公室也跟我講一件事情我也不知道是不是常識但是他們跟我講的才知道就是我們的手機很多的手機不管是哪一個系統大概都會有內建的天氣的預報後來發現這個天氣的預報好像都不是我們氣象署的資料好像都是各個平台系統他們都有合作的一個國際的氣象預報公司所擷取的資料\n39798\t60233\t那我不曉得署長我們自己本身的提供資料跟這些可能手機系統就無論是Apple或者是你說Samsung或是任何OPPO之類的一些手機他們所合作的氣象預報在我們台灣啦當然就我們台灣的地理環境條條件而言我們的會比他們準確吧跟委員報告會\n61238\t81225\t會嘛 那實際上我們氣象署應該也都有做過 做一些open data嘛就是一些資料的開放 讓所有第三方的系統都可以借接嘛各位報告是的 我們有我們的open data其實下載量跟那個量跟次數其實都蠻高的\n82525\t106348\t其實我覺得我們自己本身氣象署應該有自己的APP嘛對不對那我認為啦因為有時候大家久了就習慣大家喜歡看手機嘛那很多有時候我們看手機啊看到了如果說實際上的預報跟我們實際上未來的體驗不一樣的時候其實大家不會去怪那個手機平台你知道嗎大家會去想說我們的氣象報告怎麼又不準了\n106949\t133420\t但實際上這件事情好像如果說這樣子邏輯推理的話好像不是我們的錯啦我給你一點時間你們工商服務一下好不好好的 其實我們氣象署的APP裡面包含的成本還蠻高的我們建構的雷達 建構的雨量站我們有一千多個雨量站在這個資料裡面我們有七顆雷達的資料在這個資料裡面其實這一些背後包含的成本都應該是好幾億在裡面的成本\n133940\t151139\t那這裡面的資料所發布的天氣預報資料我們知道天氣預報預報有一個模型在做預報那這個模型在做預報的時候其實它通常需要有地面資料觀測資料去做叫做校正調整它能夠去調整到你真的國外的氣象公司沒有辦法做到這一點\n151559\t171877\t一般氣象公司它沒有這麼多台灣的這些基本的資料在裡面所以你可以看到它還是有預報它是沒有校正過的那我想大家應該都有知道有一個APP很有名叫做Windy它裡面可以看到很漂亮的那些動畫颱風一看就知道氣象署做的哪有它這麼好\n172918\t192193\t的確是他做的真的非常好而且他在全世界是非常非常都有受用的可是你假如說你要看到進去阿里山的天氣他就跟氣象署爆出來會不一樣因為他沒有足夠的資料去我們有沒有比較過準確率之類的我們有沒有去這集本身應該會有吧\n193652\t212695\t如果從雨量上來看的話其中Windy看的雨量看不出台灣的山前跟山後的差別看不大出來不過你如果從氣象署的定量降雨預報的話你就可以看得出那些大概是什麼顏色大概雨量大概會照就可以看得很清楚所以從空間的解析度來講他們的解析度可能就是\n213776\t235451\t10公里20公里的解析度不過氣象局的解析度跟委員報告我們是2.5公里的解析度所以我們有比較細的資料比較精密的資料這些資料是從我們觀測資料去做校正出來的所以能夠反映的現況跟預測是比這些商用的這些APP因為商用APP它必須要滿足全世界通用的這個概念\n235911\t260394\t因為手機你可能所以我們沒有針對商用的這些國際各大的一個氣象公司我們現在的所做的預報去做一些跟我們去做比較我們focus的這一塊是做台灣的但是你們有非常高的自信我們自己氣象署的APP所釋放出的訊息一定都比這些手機他們合作的無論是他自己本身的或合作的一個氣象提供的準確度是高非常多的準確度一定比較高\n260694\t287392\t好那剛剛署長有提到我們的精密度到2.5公里那我們因為其實台灣的這個地形地貌非常的多變所以說就變成說明明是非常近的距離卻有可能會有不一樣的一個天氣形態可能當然就可能降雨或沒降雨或者是沒有烏雲或晴天當然也不太可能大太陽跟下雨天那我想確認一下我們現在的現在的經濟度是2.5公里\n291515\t310075\t2.5公里的話是我們的單位是什麼平方嗎還是6.25平方公里6.25平方公里嘛就2.5乘2.5好那我們下一個目標呢因為我們你也知道就成我剛剛說的台灣的地形非常的複雜我們有沒有下一階段的一個目標能夠把這個精細度做到更細這樣子\n310475\t327615\t好 跟委員報告現在的地面觀測站的水平距離我們全台有漁量站有1300多個水平觀測距離大概有3公里到5公里所以說我如果做的比他還小的話就必須做內插\n328956\t352687\t不過我們降於我們的雷達觀測我們的雷達觀測可以小到200多公尺最密的就是離雷達很近的地方它可以看到比較細的資料那衛星它的觀測大概是1公里一個網格點所以我們的預測如果說預測到比2.5公里更小的話我們就必須善用這些資料去做應用那就目前來講氣象署是有往這個方向去推\n353507\t377768\t那現在我們這2.5公里大概可以做到所謂的鄉鎮預報鄉鎮市區的尺度的預報那氣象署就我所知道現在因為其實就以像新北市這麼大嘛其實新北市包括台北市的東南西北全部都是新北市嘛那你就是必須要針對新北市的各個不同的區域去做分析嘛那常常像我自己的居住地是汐止嘛常常以前念書的時候騎摩托車從汐止\n380050\t409530\t騎沒三分鐘到台北突然發現就只有我們身上有穿雨衣你知道嗎常常會有這樣的現象雨停了對啊那我們如果說2.5公里其實對都會區來講的話其實2.5公里還是一個蠻長的一塊距離啦如果說它的地形有明顯的落差的時候2.5公里可能就會有造成不一樣的一個騎肉型態啦那我們剛剛署長說你有下一階段的目標那現在是6.25平方公里的一個區塊嘛那下一段的目標你們是大概設定到多少的精細度\n411231\t431482\t鄉鎮預報接下來就是村里預報是那村里預報我們目前估計大概要下到一公里的解析度才能夠去解構出村里預報的等級就一乘一這樣子嗎對對對好那現階段我們這樣子的目標有沒有設定不過這一些因為我們的高速電腦的運算呢網格點越細的話它會花更多的時間去處理這件事情是\n432233\t454220\t那將來有...所以原則上設備大概原則上就這樣子但後續都是靠系統的模型去做推測對對對那將來有機會有機會如果說AI發展到一個程度的話它可以做更多的辨識還有更多的應用因為AI它在訓練模組的時候需要很多的算力等它訓練好之後在應用部分它的算力就會節省很多\n454500\t478068\t好謝謝那最後一個小問題我們氣象署有沒有跟這個觀光署那邊去做全台觀光景點的一個合作的天氣預報的界階有其實在13個風景區其實我們都有合作那甚至在他們在放熱氣球的時候其實我們也可以做有跟他們做及時的預報讓他們活動能夠順利九份就在那邊大家都到九份那邊但是九份下雨瑞芳不一定下雨\n478448\t495004\t對方車站不一定下雨尤其是三層的地方氣象的特別的明顯那這部分我覺得後續可以再做一些更精密的一些每個景點或許你剛剛講十多個觀光景區嘛對不對那後續可能是不是不一定它是一個觀光景區而是一個我們認為的一個國際觀光客的一個熱門景點或國內認為觀光客的景點我們都可以來做加強好不好 以上謝謝謝謝主席好 謝謝廖千祥委員發言完畢\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 麻煩要請我們呂署長請署長\n喂 主任好這幾天我的辦公室也跟我講一件事情我也不知道是不是常識但是他們跟我講的才知道就是我們的手機很多的手機不管是哪一個系統大概都會有內建的天氣的預報後來發現這個天氣的預報好像都不是我們氣象署的資料好像都是各個平台系統他們都有合作的一個國際的氣象預報公司所擷取的資料\n那我不曉得署長我們自己本身的提供資料跟這些可能手機系統就無論是Apple或者是你說Samsung或是任何OPPO之類的一些手機他們所合作的氣象預報在我們台灣啦當然就我們台灣的地理環境條條件而言我們的會比他們準確吧跟委員報告會\n會嘛 那實際上我們氣象署應該也都有做過 做一些open data嘛就是一些資料的開放 讓所有第三方的系統都可以借接嘛各位報告是的 我們有我們的open data其實下載量跟那個量跟次數其實都蠻高的\n其實我覺得我們自己本身氣象署應該有自己的APP嘛對不對那我認為啦因為有時候大家久了就習慣大家喜歡看手機嘛那很多有時候我們看手機啊看到了如果說實際上的預報跟我們實際上未來的體驗不一樣的時候其實大家不會去怪那個手機平台你知道嗎大家會去想說我們的氣象報告怎麼又不準了\n但實際上這件事情好像如果說這樣子邏輯推理的話好像不是我們的錯啦我給你一點時間你們工商服務一下好不好好的 其實我們氣象署的APP裡面包含的成本還蠻高的我們建構的雷達 建構的雨量站我們有一千多個雨量站在這個資料裡面我們有七顆雷達的資料在這個資料裡面其實這一些背後包含的成本都應該是好幾億在裡面的成本\n那這裡面的資料所發布的天氣預報資料我們知道天氣預報預報有一個模型在做預報那這個模型在做預報的時候其實它通常需要有地面資料觀測資料去做叫做校正調整它能夠去調整到你真的國外的氣象公司沒有辦法做到這一點\n一般氣象公司它沒有這麼多台灣的這些基本的資料在裡面所以你可以看到它還是有預報它是沒有校正過的那我想大家應該都有知道有一個APP很有名叫做Windy它裡面可以看到很漂亮的那些動畫颱風一看就知道氣象署做的哪有它這麼好\n的確是他做的真的非常好而且他在全世界是非常非常都有受用的可是你假如說你要看到進去阿里山的天氣他就跟氣象署爆出來會不一樣因為他沒有足夠的資料去我們有沒有比較過準確率之類的我們有沒有去這集本身應該會有吧\n如果從雨量上來看的話其中Windy看的雨量看不出台灣的山前跟山後的差別看不大出來不過你如果從氣象署的定量降雨預報的話你就可以看得出那些大概是什麼顏色大概雨量大概會照就可以看得很清楚所以從空間的解析度來講他們的解析度可能就是\n10公里20公里的解析度不過氣象局的解析度跟委員報告我們是2.5公里的解析度所以我們有比較細的資料比較精密的資料這些資料是從我們觀測資料去做校正出來的所以能夠反映的現況跟預測是比這些商用的這些APP因為商用APP它必須要滿足全世界通用的這個概念\n因為手機你可能所以我們沒有針對商用的這些國際各大的一個氣象公司我們現在的所做的預報去做一些跟我們去做比較我們focus的這一塊是做台灣的但是你們有非常高的自信我們自己氣象署的APP所釋放出的訊息一定都比這些手機他們合作的無論是他自己本身的或合作的一個氣象提供的準確度是高非常多的準確度一定比較高\n好那剛剛署長有提到我們的精密度到2.5公里那我們因為其實台灣的這個地形地貌非常的多變所以說就變成說明明是非常近的距離卻有可能會有不一樣的一個天氣形態可能當然就可能降雨或沒降雨或者是沒有烏雲或晴天當然也不太可能大太陽跟下雨天那我想確認一下我們現在的現在的經濟度是2.5公里\n2.5公里的話是我們的單位是什麼平方嗎還是6.25平方公里6.25平方公里嘛就2.5乘2.5好那我們下一個目標呢因為我們你也知道就成我剛剛說的台灣的地形非常的複雜我們有沒有下一階段的一個目標能夠把這個精細度做到更細這樣子\n好 跟委員報告現在的地面觀測站的水平距離我們全台有漁量站有1300多個水平觀測距離大概有3公里到5公里所以說我如果做的比他還小的話就必須做內插\n不過我們降於我們的雷達觀測我們的雷達觀測可以小到200多公尺最密的就是離雷達很近的地方它可以看到比較細的資料那衛星它的觀測大概是1公里一個網格點所以我們的預測如果說預測到比2.5公里更小的話我們就必須善用這些資料去做應用那就目前來講氣象署是有往這個方向去推\n那現在我們這2.5公里大概可以做到所謂的鄉鎮預報鄉鎮市區的尺度的預報那氣象署就我所知道現在因為其實就以像新北市這麼大嘛其實新北市包括台北市的東南西北全部都是新北市嘛那你就是必須要針對新北市的各個不同的區域去做分析嘛那常常像我自己的居住地是汐止嘛常常以前念書的時候騎摩托車從汐止\n騎沒三分鐘到台北突然發現就只有我們身上有穿雨衣你知道嗎常常會有這樣的現象雨停了對啊那我們如果說2.5公里其實對都會區來講的話其實2.5公里還是一個蠻長的一塊距離啦如果說它的地形有明顯的落差的時候2.5公里可能就會有造成不一樣的一個騎肉型態啦那我們剛剛署長說你有下一階段的目標那現在是6.25平方公里的一個區塊嘛那下一段的目標你們是大概設定到多少的精細度\n鄉鎮預報接下來就是村里預報是那村里預報我們目前估計大概要下到一公里的解析度才能夠去解構出村里預報的等級就一乘一這樣子嗎對對對好那現階段我們這樣子的目標有沒有設定不過這一些因為我們的高速電腦的運算呢網格點越細的話它會花更多的時間去處理這件事情是\n那將來有...所以原則上設備大概原則上就這樣子但後續都是靠系統的模型去做推測對對對那將來有機會有機會如果說AI發展到一個程度的話它可以做更多的辨識還有更多的應用因為AI它在訓練模組的時候需要很多的算力等它訓練好之後在應用部分它的算力就會節省很多\n好謝謝那最後一個小問題我們氣象署有沒有跟這個觀光署那邊去做全台觀光景點的一個合作的天氣預報的界階有其實在13個風景區其實我們都有合作那甚至在他們在放熱氣球的時候其實我們也可以做有跟他們做及時的預報讓他們活動能夠順利九份就在那邊大家都到九份那邊但是九份下雨瑞芳不一定下雨\n對方車站不一定下雨尤其是三層的地方氣象的特別的明顯那這部分我覺得後續可以再做一些更精密的一些每個景點或許你剛剛講十多個觀光景區嘛對不對那後續可能是不是不一定它是一個觀光景區而是一個我們認為的一個國際觀光客的一個熱門景點或國內認為觀光客的景點我們都可以來做加強好不好 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