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00:01:18,980\n這個時間點可能還要再追蹤三天所以在這兩天的時候我們目前的株枝禁運建載還沒有解封對不對那現在網路上已經有訊息說11月7號恢復拍賣11月8號會有問題就落上市這樣的訊息請問這樣子算不算是一個不確實不正確的訊息這是一個不確實的部分因為部長您知道\n\n4\n00:01:19,580 --> 00:01:43,768\n我知道所以我今天在中央應變中心我特別交代因為我要來立法院特別中央應變中心的記者會我要求我們的杜署長在記者會中間說明因為我們中央是根據動產條例28-1條既然部長您知道也掌握這個訊息就要處理因為縣市這樣自行宣布解封會造成訊息不同意也會造成這個防疫的困難度因為防疫是全民要一起努力的\n\n5\n00:01:44,068 --> 00:02:10,844\n但是如果有錯誤的訊息造成民眾的疑慮或恐慌我想這樣子是不適當的在這樣的防疫期間所以說這個我們遵守中央這邊的指示所以說這個有這樣錯誤訊息的話請你們儘速來處理好嗎報告委員我們曾經在中央醫療中心說過未來解封依照動物傳染病防治法是由中央來宣布所以只有\n\n6\n00:02:11,601 --> 00:02:31,595\n一個時程一個標準一個指令不能有地方自己來宣布所以我要求中央應變中心跟農業部我們除了記者會之外要直接跟宣布的該縣市表達他這個宣布是違法是無效一定要等到中央指令一個指令一個標準一個動作一個時程院長我們再來談關於廚餘的這個問題\n\n7\n00:02:37,279 --> 00:03:01,961\n台中處理廚餘的方式因為台中市每天有進200噸的廚餘去化可能有些困難所以之前他們會用挖坑堆粉掩埋這個方式作為緊急處理的方案事實上他們只是露天堆置廚餘沒有做任何防護的措施院長您看一下目前台中市處理廚餘的霧峰掩埋場旁邊就是烏溪\n\n8\n00:03:02,501 --> 00:03:31,741\n那烏溪的下游是本席的選區和美跟深港本席的鄉親的農業用水大部分是跟烏溪息息相關喔那如果相關這個廚餘廢水有滲漏的問題是不是這個有問題的這個豬瘟的病毒有沒有可能隨著烏溪啊或是地下水流動到我們彰化那麼彰化的民眾是非常非常的擔心喔那台中市這樣子的做法以及他們有指出並沒有做防護措施的這些問題中央目前你們態度是什麼\n\n9\n00:03:32,950 --> 00:03:46,025\n我們跟委員一樣關心注意到整個廚餘去化因為台中案例場發生之後台中的廚餘是不能往外擴的不能送到其他縣市他只能在台中裡面來做處理他除了\n\n10\n00:03:47,017 --> 00:04:03,215\n像他在外埔有一個生殖的發電之外他救急只能用掩埋的方式那這個部分環境部已經多次到各個挖坑的地方去檢查過我們一再要求台中一定要按照標準來進行掩埋\n\n11\n00:04:03,875 --> 00:04:05,136\n對於現在已經堆置在那裡的廚餘\n\n12\n00:04:28,314 --> 00:04:44,432\n環境部已經成立了廚餘的中央前進的協調所就直接要求地方政府一定要按照法規合法合規來處理我本身我也去到文山的一個野脈場去之前看到很多的報導是那種裸露的\n\n13\n00:04:45,032 --> 00:05:08,724\n至少去當天是已經鋪蓋了那有沒有完全而且每天持續一直依照合法的處理環境部已經要求地方的環保局要強力的要求這個工作我們一定會注意到整個土質水質不容許被破壞而且更容易的是它不能讓所有的野生動物進來否則又蔓延出去的話後果不堪設想那這個部分一定來處理\n\n14\n00:05:09,104 --> 00:05:35,376\n我也希望說針對這個廚餘的周邊我希望說相關單位應該要做水質的監測跟檢測這個我們有辦法做嗎我跟委員報告這個是絕對有辦法做的而且中央衛生中心每一天針對各縣市的廚餘的掩埋場上是不是符合附土的規定是不是有做維理這個部分每一天都會要求縣市政府我提到水質監測跟檢測您說是可以做那請問什麼時候可以開始做\n\n15\n00:05:39,093 --> 00:06:07,515\n必須在已經在這個環境部已經在做不是我們台水的部分是一定隨時在做要進水之前還有進水廠出來都有在檢測剛剛提到因為台水的取水口是比較上游所以比較OK但是沃西的下游我們這邊會有灌溉用水的確下游那個部分的確是要所以這個部分我希望說對這個水質的檢測跟監測是不是也有一份報告給我辦公室讓我可以讓我的鄉親比較安心\n\n16\n00:06:08,075 --> 00:06:35,183\n因為這樣子處於海的方式其實很多民眾都感到非常的憂慮所以說這個部分希望有明確的處理讓民眾可以安心檢測報告跟你們監測的機制跟你們的頻率是不是可以資料給我辦公室讓我可以給我的鄉親好的提供給委員目前我們在講到說處於的部分因為豬瘟的危機我們在面對它所以防疫因為防疫的關係我們就禁止處於養豬\n\n17\n00:06:36,963 --> 00:07:01,281\n除於要用其他的方法去去化除了說我們到焚化廠處理廠之外其實現在很熱門大家一直在討論就是交給黑水盟來處理近幾年來其實很多人在討論甚至有很多人願意投入在地也有清潔隊跨域合作這個院長您知道嗎有沒有了解到相關的訊息是這個也是一個自然的去化的過程\n\n18\n00:07:01,783 --> 00:07:28,554\n那其实黑水盟已经发展了一段时间关于黑水盟它的虫体排泄物永和到虫油其实都有被利用不管是饲料肥料保养品甚至分解机油到生殖用油都有被讨论都有拿来做实验那黑水盟也被视为是农业循环经济的新星但是其实它发展还是有蛮多阻碍的我想知道说现在目前整个中央政府从农业部经济部\n\n19\n00:07:29,194 --> 00:07:53,219\n甚至我們在環境部針對黑水盲相關產業我們的想法跟未來的規劃是什麼我跟委員說明第一個就是說從廚藝的再利用它有非常多多元的部分包括多肥包括您講的黑水盲那這個黑水盲的部分它如果是用植物性的料源去給黑水盲吃是沒問題任何飼料都可以但是它如果用含有動物性的部分\n\n20\n00:07:53,719 --> 00:08:12,955\n它不能直接給豬吃但是它可以給其他的禽類來吃因為最主要是動物性的這些料源含有一些國際標準裡面不合格的蔣您現在講到說黑水蒙的蟲體不能給豬吃可以給禽類吃那麼我們相關的法規是有明定的嗎\n\n21\n00:08:15,156 --> 00:08:34,963\n另外我們在農業部資源永續利用司的師長曾經在2024年有說過針對黑水盟發展正在爭取115年起公共建設計畫希望各地可以設置處理中心我想請問部長這個是我們未來會積極發展黑水盟的態度跟立場嗎\n\n22\n00:08:35,843 --> 00:08:57,674\n對這是我們的立場就是說怎麼樣農業廢棄物本身包括這個廚藝的部分能夠透過黑水美容去做成一個飼料化的一個政策那我們會用示範的方式然後我們也會結合跟環境部一起合作去建立比較有規模的一個指標的這個案例場就是示範場能夠讓這個黑水美容因為它一天可以處理一克到兩克的\n\n23\n00:08:59,856 --> 00:09:05,985\n每一隻蟲所以相對的你在用規格化養的時候對於處理的去化是有一定的貢獻\n\n24\n00:09:07,386 --> 00:09:36,986\n其实在今天为什么在我在质询的时候特别提出黑水盟相关的议题是因为越来越多业者是有意愿投入黑水盟的产业但其实目前相关的法规有不足的地方也有要调整的地方还有相关的衍生的产品的效益还是需要一些研究在证实说这样子的产品是不是真的符合我们去发展的效益甚至说其实相关的规范都还有需要再跟进\n\n25\n00:09:37,586 --> 00:10:05,163\n所以這邊我會希望說我們應該盡速的建立黑水盟應用研究法規調整配套另外呢也應該經濟部環境部國會跟農業部應該橫向的來建立科研應用連結來加速相關的這個進程院長您本身對這個黑水盟不管是從新聞上從一些你實際去勘察的這些相關的這個訊息上您覺得黑水盟的發展是不是\n\n26\n00:10:06,063 --> 00:10:31,422\n應該要我們大力的來協助跟推廣跟委員抱歉過去我確實不事甚了解是這一段時間在接觸到如何處於去化的過程當中包括從農業部也包括從其他委員都告訴我黑水盟在這個處理過程當中是可以發揮一定的功能跟效果的那我會請農業部來持續跟像委員剛剛所說的從他整個整套的一個過程能夠來加強來\n\n27\n00:10:33,636 --> 00:10:59,301\n盡量來提升它未來能夠協助的功能好謝謝院長因為黑水盟如果以蟲體的管理可能是在農業部但是如果是公司的設立工廠的設立是在經濟部然後它的相關的環境的條件應該是在環境部所以這個部分可能是要跨部會的大家要一起來協助這個產業能夠是正常的去運作因為網路上其實有很多賣蟲卵的賣蟲體的有的民眾他不了解\n\n28\n00:10:59,761 --> 00:11:25,086\n它可能在飼養的過程裡面或者說在購買的過程裡面也可能遇到詐騙所以會希望說黑水盟竟然它可以是我們農業的這個循環經濟的新星我們也希望是用一種很正向的立場來推廣它跟協助它那這個部分也請我們相關的部會盡快的來對這個黑水盟的產業我們來做一個橫向的聯繫\n\n29\n00:11:26,326 --> 00:11:42,377\n另外我也要提到就是说温体猪肉是本席选区很多小吃重要的原料像肉包肉羹面馅糊还有像肉圆都是要用这个原料现在很多摊商很多店家买不到原料他只能先停业这个部分\n\n30\n00:11:43,177 --> 00:12:03,162\n我想防疫是大家要一起努力的但是也希望說中央能夠予以協助或是協調地方政府對於這些相關的店家還是豬農有損失的我們是不是有一些協助的配套防疫很重要但是我們也要照顧到這些受到損失的這些民眾這個部分也請中央部會這邊盡可以的來協助來幫忙院長\n\n31\n00:12:07,170 --> 00:12:30,108\n是的在疫情穩定之後我們最重要的工作就是讓產業的損失能夠得到輔助那農業部也已經提出了對產業的支持另外一項就是對有一天解封的時候對於肉品的供應以及市場的價格我們要讓他平穩這兩項工作是最為重要的好謝謝院長因為我時間有限我非常的趕所以我趕快講一下下一個\n\n32\n00:12:31,628 --> 00:12:57,794\n現在要針對丹納斯颱風過境後的環流造成本席選區鹿港鎮嚴重積水淹水這個問題來請教部長劇烈的氣候變遷颱風及強降雨的影響勢必會是未來地方治水一個很大的挑戰我們要如何防止未來嚴重的積水淹水影響到民眾的生命財產安全本席也覺得說應該要有更全面的檢視跟規劃\n\n33\n00:12:59,314 --> 00:13:19,701\n這次丹納斯颱風為了環流影響中部地區在7月8號降下又急又猛的大雨本席的選區鹿港有非常嚴重的積水淹水的狀況也被戲稱為是台版威尼斯民眾的家具家電都被泡水都壞了很多古蹟也泡在水裡面讓關心文資保存的民眾都非常的心痛\n\n34\n00:13:21,775 --> 00:13:38,036\n鹿港的鄉親跟本席都一直想要知道說到底我們鹿港鎮的排水系統及規劃是出了什麼問題到底要怎麼樣才能一個有系統的改善鹿港鎮現在目前的排水的方式有兩個一個是沿座排水一個是舊鹿港溪排水\n\n35\n00:13:38,476 --> 00:13:59,606\n那依照7月8號這個積淹水的狀況來看現有的鹿港的排水管道是沒有辦法負擔這麼大量的雨勢那其中呢沿錯排水靠的是重力排水如果遇到漲潮的時候水門是關閉的雖然這樣子可以阻止這個漲潮海水倒灌但是同時也讓鎮內這個積水是沒有辦法排出\n\n36\n00:14:00,146 --> 00:14:20,923\n那7月8号淹水积水的这个主要原因之一也是因为刚好是逢大潮是因为涨潮的关系所以水门是关闭的水就排不出去那旧鹿港溪的排水主要是靠那个鹿港抽水站鹿港抽水站还是本席的父亲陈静丁当委员的时候争取设置的所以年代真的很久远了\n\n37\n00:14:21,343 --> 00:14:38,465\n但目前看起來他真的是設施老舊抽水的效率也很差有迫切改善的這個需要加上目前應該是僅存鹿港這個抽水站還使用舊式螺旋式的抽水機所以要改善要更新鹿港抽水站這是刻不容緩的\n\n38\n00:14:39,326 --> 00:15:06,633\n那綜上所述呢為了解決鹿港每下雨就會積水淹水這個問題呢就有兩個部分第一個要興建沿錯抽水站來克服這個漲潮排水的問題第二個呢就是要更新鹿港抽水站來提高排水的效益才能解決下雨就積水就淹水那這兩個部分是不是請經濟部說明一下未來是不是可以全力協助鹿港鎮來克服這個積水跟淹水的問題\n\n39\n00:15:08,804 --> 00:15:32,907\n謝謝現在整個鹿港的治水工程大概有幾項第一項大概就是洛金國小的蓄洪工程今年年底就會完成總共是3.5億另外還5個淨流分攤的部分在做處理工程大概1.3億您剛才提到的擴建鹿港抽水站的部分的話我們會來更新會把它加進來\n\n40\n00:15:51,771 --> 00:15:53,633\n謝謝陳委員謝謝卓院長下一位請張志倫委員質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n12552\t13513\t謝主席請院長總院長請備詢農業部部長經濟部部長政委好\n28223\t55348\t院長好我先來跟院長跟部長請教一個問題面對非洲豬瘟的危機防疫是非常重要目前我們的豬隻是禁運禁載請問我們什麼時候會解封我跟委員報告根據中央應變中心我們根據台中的案例場跟全國的這些豬場到目前為止基本上是安全的這個疫情並沒有擴散但是\n57740\t78980\t這個時間點可能還要再追蹤三天所以在這兩天的時候我們目前的株枝禁運建載還沒有解封對不對那現在網路上已經有訊息說11月7號恢復拍賣11月8號會有問題就落上市這樣的訊息請問這樣子算不算是一個不確實不正確的訊息這是一個不確實的部分因為部長您知道\n79580\t103768\t我知道所以我今天在中央應變中心我特別交代因為我要來立法院特別中央應變中心的記者會我要求我們的杜署長在記者會中間說明因為我們中央是根據動產條例28-1條既然部長您知道也掌握這個訊息就要處理因為縣市這樣自行宣布解封會造成訊息不同意也會造成這個防疫的困難度因為防疫是全民要一起努力的\n104068\t130844\t但是如果有錯誤的訊息造成民眾的疑慮或恐慌我想這樣子是不適當的在這樣的防疫期間所以說這個我們遵守中央這邊的指示所以說這個有這樣錯誤訊息的話請你們儘速來處理好嗎報告委員我們曾經在中央醫療中心說過未來解封依照動物傳染病防治法是由中央來宣布所以只有\n131601\t151595\t一個時程一個標準一個指令不能有地方自己來宣布所以我要求中央應變中心跟農業部我們除了記者會之外要直接跟宣布的該縣市表達他這個宣布是違法是無效一定要等到中央指令一個指令一個標準一個動作一個時程院長我們再來談關於廚餘的這個問題\n157279\t181961\t台中處理廚餘的方式因為台中市每天有進200噸的廚餘去化可能有些困難所以之前他們會用挖坑堆粉掩埋這個方式作為緊急處理的方案事實上他們只是露天堆置廚餘沒有做任何防護的措施院長您看一下目前台中市處理廚餘的霧峰掩埋場旁邊就是烏溪\n182501\t211741\t那烏溪的下游是本席的選區和美跟深港本席的鄉親的農業用水大部分是跟烏溪息息相關喔那如果相關這個廚餘廢水有滲漏的問題是不是這個有問題的這個豬瘟的病毒有沒有可能隨著烏溪啊或是地下水流動到我們彰化那麼彰化的民眾是非常非常的擔心喔那台中市這樣子的做法以及他們有指出並沒有做防護措施的這些問題中央目前你們態度是什麼\n212950\t226025\t我們跟委員一樣關心注意到整個廚餘去化因為台中案例場發生之後台中的廚餘是不能往外擴的不能送到其他縣市他只能在台中裡面來做處理他除了\n227017\t243215\t像他在外埔有一個生殖的發電之外他救急只能用掩埋的方式那這個部分環境部已經多次到各個挖坑的地方去檢查過我們一再要求台中一定要按照標準來進行掩埋\n243875\t245136\t對於現在已經堆置在那裡的廚餘\n268314\t284432\t環境部已經成立了廚餘的中央前進的協調所就直接要求地方政府一定要按照法規合法合規來處理我本身我也去到文山的一個野脈場去之前看到很多的報導是那種裸露的\n285032\t308724\t至少去當天是已經鋪蓋了那有沒有完全而且每天持續一直依照合法的處理環境部已經要求地方的環保局要強力的要求這個工作我們一定會注意到整個土質水質不容許被破壞而且更容易的是它不能讓所有的野生動物進來否則又蔓延出去的話後果不堪設想那這個部分一定來處理\n309104\t335376\t我也希望說針對這個廚餘的周邊我希望說相關單位應該要做水質的監測跟檢測這個我們有辦法做嗎我跟委員報告這個是絕對有辦法做的而且中央衛生中心每一天針對各縣市的廚餘的掩埋場上是不是符合附土的規定是不是有做維理這個部分每一天都會要求縣市政府我提到水質監測跟檢測您說是可以做那請問什麼時候可以開始做\n339093\t367515\t必須在已經在這個環境部已經在做不是我們台水的部分是一定隨時在做要進水之前還有進水廠出來都有在檢測剛剛提到因為台水的取水口是比較上游所以比較OK但是沃西的下游我們這邊會有灌溉用水的確下游那個部分的確是要所以這個部分我希望說對這個水質的檢測跟監測是不是也有一份報告給我辦公室讓我可以讓我的鄉親比較安心\n368075\t395183\t因為這樣子處於海的方式其實很多民眾都感到非常的憂慮所以說這個部分希望有明確的處理讓民眾可以安心檢測報告跟你們監測的機制跟你們的頻率是不是可以資料給我辦公室讓我可以給我的鄉親好的 提供給委員目前我們在講到說處於的部分因為豬瘟的危機我們在面對它所以防疫因為防疫的關係我們就禁止處於養豬\n396963\t421281\t除於要用其他的方法去去化除了說我們到焚化廠處理廠之外其實現在很熱門大家一直在討論就是交給黑水盟來處理近幾年來其實很多人在討論甚至有很多人願意投入在地也有清潔隊跨域合作這個院長您知道嗎有沒有了解到相關的訊息是 這個也是一個自然的去化的過程\n421783\t448554\t那其实黑水盟已经发展了一段时间关于黑水盟它的虫体排泄物永和到虫油其实都有被利用不管是饲料肥料保养品甚至分解机油到生殖用油都有被讨论都有拿来做实验那黑水盟也被视为是农业循环经济的新星但是其实它发展还是有蛮多阻碍的我想知道说现在目前整个中央政府从农业部经济部\n449194\t473219\t甚至我們在環境部針對黑水盲相關產業我們的想法跟未來的規劃是什麼我跟委員說明第一個就是說從廚藝的再利用它有非常多多元的部分包括多肥包括您講的黑水盲那這個黑水盲的部分它如果是用植物性的料源去給黑水盲吃是沒問題任何飼料都可以但是它如果用含有動物性的部分\n473719\t492955\t它不能直接給豬吃但是它可以給其他的禽類來吃因為最主要是動物性的這些料源含有一些國際標準裡面不合格的蔣您現在講到說黑水蒙的蟲體不能給豬吃可以給禽類吃那麼我們相關的法規是有明定的嗎\n495156\t514963\t另外我們在農業部資源永續利用司的師長曾經在2024年有說過針對黑水盟發展正在爭取115年起公共建設計畫希望各地可以設置處理中心我想請問部長這個是我們未來會積極發展黑水盟的態度跟立場嗎\n515843\t537674\t對 這是我們的立場就是說怎麼樣農業廢棄物本身包括這個廚藝的部分能夠透過黑水美容去做成一個飼料化的一個政策那我們會用示範的方式然後我們也會結合跟環境部一起合作去建立比較有規模的一個指標的這個案例場就是示範場能夠讓這個黑水美容因為它一天可以處理一克到兩克的\n539856\t545985\t每一隻蟲所以相對的你在用規格化養的時候對於處理的去化是有一定的貢獻\n547386\t576986\t其实在今天为什么在我在质询的时候特别提出黑水盟相关的议题是因为越来越多业者是有意愿投入黑水盟的产业但其实目前相关的法规有不足的地方也有要调整的地方还有相关的衍生的产品的效益还是需要一些研究在证实说这样子的产品是不是真的符合我们去发展的效益甚至说其实相关的规范都还有需要再跟进\n577586\t605163\t所以這邊我會希望說我們應該盡速的建立黑水盟應用研究法規調整配套另外呢也應該經濟部環境部國會跟農業部應該橫向的來建立科研應用連結來加速相關的這個進程院長您本身對這個黑水盟不管是從新聞上從一些你實際去勘察的這些相關的這個訊息上您覺得黑水盟的發展是不是\n606063\t631422\t應該要我們大力的來協助跟推廣跟委員抱歉 過去我確實不事甚了解是這一段時間在接觸到如何處於去化的過程當中包括從農業部也包括從其他委員都告訴我黑水盟在這個處理過程當中是可以發揮一定的功能跟效果的那我會請農業部來持續跟像委員剛剛所說的從他整個整套的一個過程能夠來加強來\n633636\t659301\t盡量來提升它未來能夠協助的功能好 謝謝院長因為黑水盟如果以蟲體的管理可能是在農業部但是如果是公司的設立工廠的設立是在經濟部然後它的相關的環境的條件應該是在環境部所以這個部分可能是要跨部會的大家要一起來協助這個產業能夠是正常的去運作因為網路上其實有很多賣蟲卵的賣蟲體的有的民眾他不了解\n659761\t685086\t它可能在飼養的過程裡面或者說在購買的過程裡面也可能遇到詐騙所以會希望說黑水盟竟然它可以是我們農業的這個循環經濟的新星我們也希望是用一種很正向的立場來推廣它跟協助它那這個部分也請我們相關的部會盡快的來對這個黑水盟的產業我們來做一個橫向的聯繫\n686326\t702377\t另外我也要提到就是说温体猪肉是本席选区很多小吃重要的原料像肉包 肉羹 面馅糊还有像肉圆都是要用这个原料现在很多摊商很多店家买不到原料他只能先停业这个部分\n703177\t723162\t我想防疫是大家要一起努力的但是也希望說中央能夠予以協助或是協調地方政府對於這些相關的店家還是豬農有損失的我們是不是有一些協助的配套防疫很重要但是我們也要照顧到這些受到損失的這些民眾這個部分也請中央部會這邊盡可以的來協助來幫忙院長\n727170\t750108\t是的在疫情穩定之後我們最重要的工作就是讓產業的損失能夠得到輔助那農業部也已經提出了對產業的支持另外一項就是對有一天解封的時候對於肉品的供應以及市場的價格我們要讓他平穩這兩項工作是最為重要的好 謝謝院長因為我時間有限我非常的趕所以我趕快講一下下一個\n751628\t777794\t現在要針對丹納斯颱風過境後的環流造成本席選區鹿港鎮嚴重積水淹水這個問題來請教部長劇烈的氣候變遷颱風及強降雨的影響勢必會是未來地方治水一個很大的挑戰我們要如何防止未來嚴重的積水淹水影響到民眾的生命財產安全本席也覺得說應該要有更全面的檢視跟規劃\n779314\t799701\t這次丹納斯颱風為了環流影響中部地區在7月8號降下又急又猛的大雨本席的選區鹿港有非常嚴重的積水淹水的狀況也被戲稱為是台版威尼斯民眾的家具家電都被泡水都壞了很多古蹟也泡在水裡面讓關心文資保存的民眾都非常的心痛\n801775\t818036\t鹿港的鄉親跟本席都一直想要知道說到底我們鹿港鎮的排水系統及規劃是出了什麼問題到底要怎麼樣才能一個有系統的改善鹿港鎮現在目前的排水的方式有兩個一個是沿座排水一個是舊鹿港溪排水\n818476\t839606\t那依照7月8號這個積淹水的狀況來看現有的鹿港的排水管道是沒有辦法負擔這麼大量的雨勢那其中呢沿錯排水靠的是重力排水如果遇到漲潮的時候水門是關閉的雖然這樣子可以阻止這個漲潮海水倒灌但是同時也讓鎮內這個積水是沒有辦法排出\n840146\t860923\t那7月8号淹水积水的这个主要原因之一也是因为刚好是逢大潮是因为涨潮的关系所以水门是关闭的水就排不出去那旧鹿港溪的排水主要是靠那个鹿港抽水站鹿港抽水站还是本席的父亲陈静丁当委员的时候争取设置的所以年代真的很久远了\n861343\t878465\t但目前看起來他真的是設施老舊抽水的效率也很差有迫切改善的這個需要加上目前應該是僅存鹿港這個抽水站還使用舊式螺旋式的抽水機所以要改善要更新鹿港抽水站這是刻不容緩的\n879326\t906633\t那綜上所述呢為了解決鹿港每下雨就會積水淹水這個問題呢就有兩個部分第一個要興建沿錯抽水站來克服這個漲潮排水的問題第二個呢就是要更新鹿港抽水站來提高排水的效益才能解決下雨就積水就淹水那這兩個部分是不是請經濟部說明一下未來是不是可以全力協助鹿港鎮來克服這個積水跟淹水的問題\n908804\t932907\t謝謝 現在整個鹿港的治水工程大概有幾項第一項大概就是洛金國小的蓄洪工程今年年底就會完成 總共是3.5億另外還5個淨流分攤的部分在做處理工程 大概1.3億您剛才提到的擴建鹿港抽水站的部分的話我們會來更新 會把它加進來\n951771\t953633\t謝謝陳委員 謝謝卓院長下一位請張志倫委員質詢\n","txt":"謝主席請院長總院長請備詢農業部部長經濟部部長政委好\n院長好我先來跟院長跟部長請教一個問題面對非洲豬瘟的危機防疫是非常重要目前我們的豬隻是禁運禁載請問我們什麼時候會解封我跟委員報告根據中央應變中心我們根據台中的案例場跟全國的這些豬場到目前為止基本上是安全的這個疫情並沒有擴散但是\n這個時間點可能還要再追蹤三天所以在這兩天的時候我們目前的株枝禁運建載還沒有解封對不對那現在網路上已經有訊息說11月7號恢復拍賣11月8號會有問題就落上市這樣的訊息請問這樣子算不算是一個不確實不正確的訊息這是一個不確實的部分因為部長您知道\n我知道所以我今天在中央應變中心我特別交代因為我要來立法院特別中央應變中心的記者會我要求我們的杜署長在記者會中間說明因為我們中央是根據動產條例28-1條既然部長您知道也掌握這個訊息就要處理因為縣市這樣自行宣布解封會造成訊息不同意也會造成這個防疫的困難度因為防疫是全民要一起努力的\n但是如果有錯誤的訊息造成民眾的疑慮或恐慌我想這樣子是不適當的在這樣的防疫期間所以說這個我們遵守中央這邊的指示所以說這個有這樣錯誤訊息的話請你們儘速來處理好嗎報告委員我們曾經在中央醫療中心說過未來解封依照動物傳染病防治法是由中央來宣布所以只有\n一個時程一個標準一個指令不能有地方自己來宣布所以我要求中央應變中心跟農業部我們除了記者會之外要直接跟宣布的該縣市表達他這個宣布是違法是無效一定要等到中央指令一個指令一個標準一個動作一個時程院長我們再來談關於廚餘的這個問題\n台中處理廚餘的方式因為台中市每天有進200噸的廚餘去化可能有些困難所以之前他們會用挖坑堆粉掩埋這個方式作為緊急處理的方案事實上他們只是露天堆置廚餘沒有做任何防護的措施院長您看一下目前台中市處理廚餘的霧峰掩埋場旁邊就是烏溪\n那烏溪的下游是本席的選區和美跟深港本席的鄉親的農業用水大部分是跟烏溪息息相關喔那如果相關這個廚餘廢水有滲漏的問題是不是這個有問題的這個豬瘟的病毒有沒有可能隨著烏溪啊或是地下水流動到我們彰化那麼彰化的民眾是非常非常的擔心喔那台中市這樣子的做法以及他們有指出並沒有做防護措施的這些問題中央目前你們態度是什麼\n我們跟委員一樣關心注意到整個廚餘去化因為台中案例場發生之後台中的廚餘是不能往外擴的不能送到其他縣市他只能在台中裡面來做處理他除了\n像他在外埔有一個生殖的發電之外他救急只能用掩埋的方式那這個部分環境部已經多次到各個挖坑的地方去檢查過我們一再要求台中一定要按照標準來進行掩埋\n對於現在已經堆置在那裡的廚餘\n環境部已經成立了廚餘的中央前進的協調所就直接要求地方政府一定要按照法規合法合規來處理我本身我也去到文山的一個野脈場去之前看到很多的報導是那種裸露的\n至少去當天是已經鋪蓋了那有沒有完全而且每天持續一直依照合法的處理環境部已經要求地方的環保局要強力的要求這個工作我們一定會注意到整個土質水質不容許被破壞而且更容易的是它不能讓所有的野生動物進來否則又蔓延出去的話後果不堪設想那這個部分一定來處理\n我也希望說針對這個廚餘的周邊我希望說相關單位應該要做水質的監測跟檢測這個我們有辦法做嗎我跟委員報告這個是絕對有辦法做的而且中央衛生中心每一天針對各縣市的廚餘的掩埋場上是不是符合附土的規定是不是有做維理這個部分每一天都會要求縣市政府我提到水質監測跟檢測您說是可以做那請問什麼時候可以開始做\n必須在已經在這個環境部已經在做不是我們台水的部分是一定隨時在做要進水之前還有進水廠出來都有在檢測剛剛提到因為台水的取水口是比較上游所以比較OK但是沃西的下游我們這邊會有灌溉用水的確下游那個部分的確是要所以這個部分我希望說對這個水質的檢測跟監測是不是也有一份報告給我辦公室讓我可以讓我的鄉親比較安心\n因為這樣子處於海的方式其實很多民眾都感到非常的憂慮所以說這個部分希望有明確的處理讓民眾可以安心檢測報告跟你們監測的機制跟你們的頻率是不是可以資料給我辦公室讓我可以給我的鄉親好的 提供給委員目前我們在講到說處於的部分因為豬瘟的危機我們在面對它所以防疫因為防疫的關係我們就禁止處於養豬\n除於要用其他的方法去去化除了說我們到焚化廠處理廠之外其實現在很熱門大家一直在討論就是交給黑水盟來處理近幾年來其實很多人在討論甚至有很多人願意投入在地也有清潔隊跨域合作這個院長您知道嗎有沒有了解到相關的訊息是 這個也是一個自然的去化的過程\n那其实黑水盟已经发展了一段时间关于黑水盟它的虫体排泄物永和到虫油其实都有被利用不管是饲料肥料保养品甚至分解机油到生殖用油都有被讨论都有拿来做实验那黑水盟也被视为是农业循环经济的新星但是其实它发展还是有蛮多阻碍的我想知道说现在目前整个中央政府从农业部经济部\n甚至我們在環境部針對黑水盲相關產業我們的想法跟未來的規劃是什麼我跟委員說明第一個就是說從廚藝的再利用它有非常多多元的部分包括多肥包括您講的黑水盲那這個黑水盲的部分它如果是用植物性的料源去給黑水盲吃是沒問題任何飼料都可以但是它如果用含有動物性的部分\n它不能直接給豬吃但是它可以給其他的禽類來吃因為最主要是動物性的這些料源含有一些國際標準裡面不合格的蔣您現在講到說黑水蒙的蟲體不能給豬吃可以給禽類吃那麼我們相關的法規是有明定的嗎\n另外我們在農業部資源永續利用司的師長曾經在2024年有說過針對黑水盟發展正在爭取115年起公共建設計畫希望各地可以設置處理中心我想請問部長這個是我們未來會積極發展黑水盟的態度跟立場嗎\n對 這是我們的立場就是說怎麼樣農業廢棄物本身包括這個廚藝的部分能夠透過黑水美容去做成一個飼料化的一個政策那我們會用示範的方式然後我們也會結合跟環境部一起合作去建立比較有規模的一個指標的這個案例場就是示範場能夠讓這個黑水美容因為它一天可以處理一克到兩克的\n每一隻蟲所以相對的你在用規格化養的時候對於處理的去化是有一定的貢獻\n其实在今天为什么在我在质询的时候特别提出黑水盟相关的议题是因为越来越多业者是有意愿投入黑水盟的产业但其实目前相关的法规有不足的地方也有要调整的地方还有相关的衍生的产品的效益还是需要一些研究在证实说这样子的产品是不是真的符合我们去发展的效益甚至说其实相关的规范都还有需要再跟进\n所以這邊我會希望說我們應該盡速的建立黑水盟應用研究法規調整配套另外呢也應該經濟部環境部國會跟農業部應該橫向的來建立科研應用連結來加速相關的這個進程院長您本身對這個黑水盟不管是從新聞上從一些你實際去勘察的這些相關的這個訊息上您覺得黑水盟的發展是不是\n應該要我們大力的來協助跟推廣跟委員抱歉 過去我確實不事甚了解是這一段時間在接觸到如何處於去化的過程當中包括從農業部也包括從其他委員都告訴我黑水盟在這個處理過程當中是可以發揮一定的功能跟效果的那我會請農業部來持續跟像委員剛剛所說的從他整個整套的一個過程能夠來加強來\n盡量來提升它未來能夠協助的功能好 謝謝院長因為黑水盟如果以蟲體的管理可能是在農業部但是如果是公司的設立工廠的設立是在經濟部然後它的相關的環境的條件應該是在環境部所以這個部分可能是要跨部會的大家要一起來協助這個產業能夠是正常的去運作因為網路上其實有很多賣蟲卵的賣蟲體的有的民眾他不了解\n它可能在飼養的過程裡面或者說在購買的過程裡面也可能遇到詐騙所以會希望說黑水盟竟然它可以是我們農業的這個循環經濟的新星我們也希望是用一種很正向的立場來推廣它跟協助它那這個部分也請我們相關的部會盡快的來對這個黑水盟的產業我們來做一個橫向的聯繫\n另外我也要提到就是说温体猪肉是本席选区很多小吃重要的原料像肉包 肉羹 面馅糊还有像肉圆都是要用这个原料现在很多摊商很多店家买不到原料他只能先停业这个部分\n我想防疫是大家要一起努力的但是也希望說中央能夠予以協助或是協調地方政府對於這些相關的店家還是豬農有損失的我們是不是有一些協助的配套防疫很重要但是我們也要照顧到這些受到損失的這些民眾這個部分也請中央部會這邊盡可以的來協助來幫忙院長\n是的在疫情穩定之後我們最重要的工作就是讓產業的損失能夠得到輔助那農業部也已經提出了對產業的支持另外一項就是對有一天解封的時候對於肉品的供應以及市場的價格我們要讓他平穩這兩項工作是最為重要的好 謝謝院長因為我時間有限我非常的趕所以我趕快講一下下一個\n現在要針對丹納斯颱風過境後的環流造成本席選區鹿港鎮嚴重積水淹水這個問題來請教部長劇烈的氣候變遷颱風及強降雨的影響勢必會是未來地方治水一個很大的挑戰我們要如何防止未來嚴重的積水淹水影響到民眾的生命財產安全本席也覺得說應該要有更全面的檢視跟規劃\n這次丹納斯颱風為了環流影響中部地區在7月8號降下又急又猛的大雨本席的選區鹿港有非常嚴重的積水淹水的狀況也被戲稱為是台版威尼斯民眾的家具家電都被泡水都壞了很多古蹟也泡在水裡面讓關心文資保存的民眾都非常的心痛\n鹿港的鄉親跟本席都一直想要知道說到底我們鹿港鎮的排水系統及規劃是出了什麼問題到底要怎麼樣才能一個有系統的改善鹿港鎮現在目前的排水的方式有兩個一個是沿座排水一個是舊鹿港溪排水\n那依照7月8號這個積淹水的狀況來看現有的鹿港的排水管道是沒有辦法負擔這麼大量的雨勢那其中呢沿錯排水靠的是重力排水如果遇到漲潮的時候水門是關閉的雖然這樣子可以阻止這個漲潮海水倒灌但是同時也讓鎮內這個積水是沒有辦法排出\n那7月8号淹水积水的这个主要原因之一也是因为刚好是逢大潮是因为涨潮的关系所以水门是关闭的水就排不出去那旧鹿港溪的排水主要是靠那个鹿港抽水站鹿港抽水站还是本席的父亲陈静丁当委员的时候争取设置的所以年代真的很久远了\n但目前看起來他真的是設施老舊抽水的效率也很差有迫切改善的這個需要加上目前應該是僅存鹿港這個抽水站還使用舊式螺旋式的抽水機所以要改善要更新鹿港抽水站這是刻不容緩的\n那綜上所述呢為了解決鹿港每下雨就會積水淹水這個問題呢就有兩個部分第一個要興建沿錯抽水站來克服這個漲潮排水的問題第二個呢就是要更新鹿港抽水站來提高排水的效益才能解決下雨就積水就淹水那這兩個部分是不是請經濟部說明一下未來是不是可以全力協助鹿港鎮來克服這個積水跟淹水的問題\n謝謝 現在整個鹿港的治水工程大概有幾項第一項大概就是洛金國小的蓄洪工程今年年底就會完成 總共是3.5億另外還5個淨流分攤的部分在做處理工程 大概1.3億您剛才提到的擴建鹿港抽水站的部分的話我們會來更新 會把它加進來\n謝謝陳委員 謝謝卓院長下一位請張志倫委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.552 --> 00:13.513\n謝主席請院長總院長請備詢農業部部長經濟部部長政委好\n\n00:28.223 --> 00:55.348\n院長好我先來跟院長跟部長請教一個問題面對非洲豬瘟的危機防疫是非常重要目前我們的豬隻是禁運禁載請問我們什麼時候會解封我跟委員報告根據中央應變中心我們根據台中的案例場跟全國的這些豬場到目前為止基本上是安全的這個疫情並沒有擴散但是\n\n00:57.740 --> 01:18.980\n這個時間點可能還要再追蹤三天所以在這兩天的時候我們目前的株枝禁運建載還沒有解封對不對那現在網路上已經有訊息說11月7號恢復拍賣11月8號會有問題就落上市這樣的訊息請問這樣子算不算是一個不確實不正確的訊息這是一個不確實的部分因為部長您知道\n\n01:19.580 --> 01:43.768\n我知道所以我今天在中央應變中心我特別交代因為我要來立法院特別中央應變中心的記者會我要求我們的杜署長在記者會中間說明因為我們中央是根據動產條例28-1條既然部長您知道也掌握這個訊息就要處理因為縣市這樣自行宣布解封會造成訊息不同意也會造成這個防疫的困難度因為防疫是全民要一起努力的\n\n01:44.068 --> 02:10.844\n但是如果有錯誤的訊息造成民眾的疑慮或恐慌我想這樣子是不適當的在這樣的防疫期間所以說這個我們遵守中央這邊的指示所以說這個有這樣錯誤訊息的話請你們儘速來處理好嗎報告委員我們曾經在中央醫療中心說過未來解封依照動物傳染病防治法是由中央來宣布所以只有\n\n02:11.601 --> 02:31.595\n一個時程一個標準一個指令不能有地方自己來宣布所以我要求中央應變中心跟農業部我們除了記者會之外要直接跟宣布的該縣市表達他這個宣布是違法是無效一定要等到中央指令一個指令一個標準一個動作一個時程院長我們再來談關於廚餘的這個問題\n\n02:37.279 --> 03:01.961\n台中處理廚餘的方式因為台中市每天有進200噸的廚餘去化可能有些困難所以之前他們會用挖坑堆粉掩埋這個方式作為緊急處理的方案事實上他們只是露天堆置廚餘沒有做任何防護的措施院長您看一下目前台中市處理廚餘的霧峰掩埋場旁邊就是烏溪\n\n03:02.501 --> 03:31.741\n那烏溪的下游是本席的選區和美跟深港本席的鄉親的農業用水大部分是跟烏溪息息相關喔那如果相關這個廚餘廢水有滲漏的問題是不是這個有問題的這個豬瘟的病毒有沒有可能隨著烏溪啊或是地下水流動到我們彰化那麼彰化的民眾是非常非常的擔心喔那台中市這樣子的做法以及他們有指出並沒有做防護措施的這些問題中央目前你們態度是什麼\n\n03:32.950 --> 03:46.025\n我們跟委員一樣關心注意到整個廚餘去化因為台中案例場發生之後台中的廚餘是不能往外擴的不能送到其他縣市他只能在台中裡面來做處理他除了\n\n03:47.017 --> 04:03.215\n像他在外埔有一個生殖的發電之外他救急只能用掩埋的方式那這個部分環境部已經多次到各個挖坑的地方去檢查過我們一再要求台中一定要按照標準來進行掩埋\n\n04:03.875 --> 04:05.136\n對於現在已經堆置在那裡的廚餘\n\n04:28.314 --> 04:44.432\n環境部已經成立了廚餘的中央前進的協調所就直接要求地方政府一定要按照法規合法合規來處理我本身我也去到文山的一個野脈場去之前看到很多的報導是那種裸露的\n\n04:45.032 --> 05:08.724\n至少去當天是已經鋪蓋了那有沒有完全而且每天持續一直依照合法的處理環境部已經要求地方的環保局要強力的要求這個工作我們一定會注意到整個土質水質不容許被破壞而且更容易的是它不能讓所有的野生動物進來否則又蔓延出去的話後果不堪設想那這個部分一定來處理\n\n05:09.104 --> 05:35.376\n我也希望說針對這個廚餘的周邊我希望說相關單位應該要做水質的監測跟檢測這個我們有辦法做嗎我跟委員報告這個是絕對有辦法做的而且中央衛生中心每一天針對各縣市的廚餘的掩埋場上是不是符合附土的規定是不是有做維理這個部分每一天都會要求縣市政府我提到水質監測跟檢測您說是可以做那請問什麼時候可以開始做\n\n05:39.093 --> 06:07.515\n必須在已經在這個環境部已經在做不是我們台水的部分是一定隨時在做要進水之前還有進水廠出來都有在檢測剛剛提到因為台水的取水口是比較上游所以比較OK但是沃西的下游我們這邊會有灌溉用水的確下游那個部分的確是要所以這個部分我希望說對這個水質的檢測跟監測是不是也有一份報告給我辦公室讓我可以讓我的鄉親比較安心\n\n06:08.075 --> 06:35.183\n因為這樣子處於海的方式其實很多民眾都感到非常的憂慮所以說這個部分希望有明確的處理讓民眾可以安心檢測報告跟你們監測的機制跟你們的頻率是不是可以資料給我辦公室讓我可以給我的鄉親好的提供給委員目前我們在講到說處於的部分因為豬瘟的危機我們在面對它所以防疫因為防疫的關係我們就禁止處於養豬\n\n06:36.963 --> 07:01.281\n除於要用其他的方法去去化除了說我們到焚化廠處理廠之外其實現在很熱門大家一直在討論就是交給黑水盟來處理近幾年來其實很多人在討論甚至有很多人願意投入在地也有清潔隊跨域合作這個院長您知道嗎有沒有了解到相關的訊息是這個也是一個自然的去化的過程\n\n07:01.783 --> 07:28.554\n那其实黑水盟已经发展了一段时间关于黑水盟它的虫体排泄物永和到虫油其实都有被利用不管是饲料肥料保养品甚至分解机油到生殖用油都有被讨论都有拿来做实验那黑水盟也被视为是农业循环经济的新星但是其实它发展还是有蛮多阻碍的我想知道说现在目前整个中央政府从农业部经济部\n\n07:29.194 --> 07:53.219\n甚至我們在環境部針對黑水盲相關產業我們的想法跟未來的規劃是什麼我跟委員說明第一個就是說從廚藝的再利用它有非常多多元的部分包括多肥包括您講的黑水盲那這個黑水盲的部分它如果是用植物性的料源去給黑水盲吃是沒問題任何飼料都可以但是它如果用含有動物性的部分\n\n07:53.719 --> 08:12.955\n它不能直接給豬吃但是它可以給其他的禽類來吃因為最主要是動物性的這些料源含有一些國際標準裡面不合格的蔣您現在講到說黑水蒙的蟲體不能給豬吃可以給禽類吃那麼我們相關的法規是有明定的嗎\n\n08:15.156 --> 08:34.963\n另外我們在農業部資源永續利用司的師長曾經在2024年有說過針對黑水盟發展正在爭取115年起公共建設計畫希望各地可以設置處理中心我想請問部長這個是我們未來會積極發展黑水盟的態度跟立場嗎\n\n08:35.843 --> 08:57.674\n對這是我們的立場就是說怎麼樣農業廢棄物本身包括這個廚藝的部分能夠透過黑水美容去做成一個飼料化的一個政策那我們會用示範的方式然後我們也會結合跟環境部一起合作去建立比較有規模的一個指標的這個案例場就是示範場能夠讓這個黑水美容因為它一天可以處理一克到兩克的\n\n08:59.856 --> 09:05.985\n每一隻蟲所以相對的你在用規格化養的時候對於處理的去化是有一定的貢獻\n\n09:07.386 --> 09:36.986\n其实在今天为什么在我在质询的时候特别提出黑水盟相关的议题是因为越来越多业者是有意愿投入黑水盟的产业但其实目前相关的法规有不足的地方也有要调整的地方还有相关的衍生的产品的效益还是需要一些研究在证实说这样子的产品是不是真的符合我们去发展的效益甚至说其实相关的规范都还有需要再跟进\n\n09:37.586 --> 10:05.163\n所以這邊我會希望說我們應該盡速的建立黑水盟應用研究法規調整配套另外呢也應該經濟部環境部國會跟農業部應該橫向的來建立科研應用連結來加速相關的這個進程院長您本身對這個黑水盟不管是從新聞上從一些你實際去勘察的這些相關的這個訊息上您覺得黑水盟的發展是不是\n\n10:06.063 --> 10:31.422\n應該要我們大力的來協助跟推廣跟委員抱歉過去我確實不事甚了解是這一段時間在接觸到如何處於去化的過程當中包括從農業部也包括從其他委員都告訴我黑水盟在這個處理過程當中是可以發揮一定的功能跟效果的那我會請農業部來持續跟像委員剛剛所說的從他整個整套的一個過程能夠來加強來\n\n10:33.636 --> 10:59.301\n盡量來提升它未來能夠協助的功能好謝謝院長因為黑水盟如果以蟲體的管理可能是在農業部但是如果是公司的設立工廠的設立是在經濟部然後它的相關的環境的條件應該是在環境部所以這個部分可能是要跨部會的大家要一起來協助這個產業能夠是正常的去運作因為網路上其實有很多賣蟲卵的賣蟲體的有的民眾他不了解\n\n10:59.761 --> 11:25.086\n它可能在飼養的過程裡面或者說在購買的過程裡面也可能遇到詐騙所以會希望說黑水盟竟然它可以是我們農業的這個循環經濟的新星我們也希望是用一種很正向的立場來推廣它跟協助它那這個部分也請我們相關的部會盡快的來對這個黑水盟的產業我們來做一個橫向的聯繫\n\n11:26.326 --> 11:42.377\n另外我也要提到就是说温体猪肉是本席选区很多小吃重要的原料像肉包肉羹面馅糊还有像肉圆都是要用这个原料现在很多摊商很多店家买不到原料他只能先停业这个部分\n\n11:43.177 --> 12:03.162\n我想防疫是大家要一起努力的但是也希望說中央能夠予以協助或是協調地方政府對於這些相關的店家還是豬農有損失的我們是不是有一些協助的配套防疫很重要但是我們也要照顧到這些受到損失的這些民眾這個部分也請中央部會這邊盡可以的來協助來幫忙院長\n\n12:07.170 --> 12:30.108\n是的在疫情穩定之後我們最重要的工作就是讓產業的損失能夠得到輔助那農業部也已經提出了對產業的支持另外一項就是對有一天解封的時候對於肉品的供應以及市場的價格我們要讓他平穩這兩項工作是最為重要的好謝謝院長因為我時間有限我非常的趕所以我趕快講一下下一個\n\n12:31.628 --> 12:57.794\n現在要針對丹納斯颱風過境後的環流造成本席選區鹿港鎮嚴重積水淹水這個問題來請教部長劇烈的氣候變遷颱風及強降雨的影響勢必會是未來地方治水一個很大的挑戰我們要如何防止未來嚴重的積水淹水影響到民眾的生命財產安全本席也覺得說應該要有更全面的檢視跟規劃\n\n12:59.314 --> 13:19.701\n這次丹納斯颱風為了環流影響中部地區在7月8號降下又急又猛的大雨本席的選區鹿港有非常嚴重的積水淹水的狀況也被戲稱為是台版威尼斯民眾的家具家電都被泡水都壞了很多古蹟也泡在水裡面讓關心文資保存的民眾都非常的心痛\n\n13:21.775 --> 13:38.036\n鹿港的鄉親跟本席都一直想要知道說到底我們鹿港鎮的排水系統及規劃是出了什麼問題到底要怎麼樣才能一個有系統的改善鹿港鎮現在目前的排水的方式有兩個一個是沿座排水一個是舊鹿港溪排水\n\n13:38.476 --> 13:59.606\n那依照7月8號這個積淹水的狀況來看現有的鹿港的排水管道是沒有辦法負擔這麼大量的雨勢那其中呢沿錯排水靠的是重力排水如果遇到漲潮的時候水門是關閉的雖然這樣子可以阻止這個漲潮海水倒灌但是同時也讓鎮內這個積水是沒有辦法排出\n\n14:00.146 --> 14:20.923\n那7月8号淹水积水的这个主要原因之一也是因为刚好是逢大潮是因为涨潮的关系所以水门是关闭的水就排不出去那旧鹿港溪的排水主要是靠那个鹿港抽水站鹿港抽水站还是本席的父亲陈静丁当委员的时候争取设置的所以年代真的很久远了\n\n14:21.343 --> 14:38.465\n但目前看起來他真的是設施老舊抽水的效率也很差有迫切改善的這個需要加上目前應該是僅存鹿港這個抽水站還使用舊式螺旋式的抽水機所以要改善要更新鹿港抽水站這是刻不容緩的\n\n14:39.326 --> 15:06.633\n那綜上所述呢為了解決鹿港每下雨就會積水淹水這個問題呢就有兩個部分第一個要興建沿錯抽水站來克服這個漲潮排水的問題第二個呢就是要更新鹿港抽水站來提高排水的效益才能解決下雨就積水就淹水那這兩個部分是不是請經濟部說明一下未來是不是可以全力協助鹿港鎮來克服這個積水跟淹水的問題\n\n15:08.804 --> 15:32.907\n謝謝現在整個鹿港的治水工程大概有幾項第一項大概就是洛金國小的蓄洪工程今年年底就會完成總共是3.5億另外還5個淨流分攤的部分在做處理工程大概1.3億您剛才提到的擴建鹿港抽水站的部分的話我們會來更新會把它加進來\n\n15:51.771 --> 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提供給委員目前我們在講到說處於的部分因為豬瘟的危機我們在面對它所以防疫因為防疫的關係我們就禁止處於養豬"},{"start":396.963,"end":421.281,"text":"除於要用其他的方法去去化除了說我們到焚化廠處理廠之外其實現在很熱門大家一直在討論就是交給黑水盟來處理近幾年來其實很多人在討論甚至有很多人願意投入在地也有清潔隊跨域合作這個院長您知道嗎有沒有了解到相關的訊息是 這個也是一個自然的去化的過程"},{"start":421.783,"end":448.554,"text":"那其实黑水盟已经发展了一段时间关于黑水盟它的虫体排泄物永和到虫油其实都有被利用不管是饲料肥料保养品甚至分解机油到生殖用油都有被讨论都有拿来做实验那黑水盟也被视为是农业循环经济的新星但是其实它发展还是有蛮多阻碍的我想知道说现在目前整个中央政府从农业部经济部"},{"start":449.194,"end":473.219,"text":"甚至我們在環境部針對黑水盲相關產業我們的想法跟未來的規劃是什麼我跟委員說明第一個就是說從廚藝的再利用它有非常多多元的部分包括多肥包括您講的黑水盲那這個黑水盲的部分它如果是用植物性的料源去給黑水盲吃是沒問題任何飼料都可以但是它如果用含有動物性的部分"},{"start":473.719,"end":492.955,"text":"它不能直接給豬吃但是它可以給其他的禽類來吃因為最主要是動物性的這些料源含有一些國際標準裡面不合格的蔣您現在講到說黑水蒙的蟲體不能給豬吃可以給禽類吃那麼我們相關的法規是有明定的嗎"},{"start":495.156,"end":514.963,"text":"另外我們在農業部資源永續利用司的師長曾經在2024年有說過針對黑水盟發展正在爭取115年起公共建設計畫希望各地可以設置處理中心我想請問部長這個是我們未來會積極發展黑水盟的態度跟立場嗎"},{"start":515.843,"end":537.674,"text":"對 這是我們的立場就是說怎麼樣農業廢棄物本身包括這個廚藝的部分能夠透過黑水美容去做成一個飼料化的一個政策那我們會用示範的方式然後我們也會結合跟環境部一起合作去建立比較有規模的一個指標的這個案例場就是示範場能夠讓這個黑水美容因為它一天可以處理一克到兩克的"},{"start":539.856,"end":545.985,"text":"每一隻蟲所以相對的你在用規格化養的時候對於處理的去化是有一定的貢獻"},{"start":547.386,"end":576.986,"text":"其实在今天为什么在我在质询的时候特别提出黑水盟相关的议题是因为越来越多业者是有意愿投入黑水盟的产业但其实目前相关的法规有不足的地方也有要调整的地方还有相关的衍生的产品的效益还是需要一些研究在证实说这样子的产品是不是真的符合我们去发展的效益甚至说其实相关的规范都还有需要再跟进"},{"start":577.586,"end":605.163,"text":"所以這邊我會希望說我們應該盡速的建立黑水盟應用研究法規調整配套另外呢也應該經濟部環境部國會跟農業部應該橫向的來建立科研應用連結來加速相關的這個進程院長您本身對這個黑水盟不管是從新聞上從一些你實際去勘察的這些相關的這個訊息上您覺得黑水盟的發展是不是"},{"start":606.063,"end":631.422,"text":"應該要我們大力的來協助跟推廣跟委員抱歉 過去我確實不事甚了解是這一段時間在接觸到如何處於去化的過程當中包括從農業部也包括從其他委員都告訴我黑水盟在這個處理過程當中是可以發揮一定的功能跟效果的那我會請農業部來持續跟像委員剛剛所說的從他整個整套的一個過程能夠來加強來"},{"start":633.636,"end":659.301,"text":"盡量來提升它未來能夠協助的功能好 謝謝院長因為黑水盟如果以蟲體的管理可能是在農業部但是如果是公司的設立工廠的設立是在經濟部然後它的相關的環境的條件應該是在環境部所以這個部分可能是要跨部會的大家要一起來協助這個產業能夠是正常的去運作因為網路上其實有很多賣蟲卵的賣蟲體的有的民眾他不了解"},{"start":659.761,"end":685.086,"text":"它可能在飼養的過程裡面或者說在購買的過程裡面也可能遇到詐騙所以會希望說黑水盟竟然它可以是我們農業的這個循環經濟的新星我們也希望是用一種很正向的立場來推廣它跟協助它那這個部分也請我們相關的部會盡快的來對這個黑水盟的產業我們來做一個橫向的聯繫"},{"start":686.326,"end":702.377,"text":"另外我也要提到就是说温体猪肉是本席选区很多小吃重要的原料像肉包 肉羹 面馅糊还有像肉圆都是要用这个原料现在很多摊商很多店家买不到原料他只能先停业这个部分"},{"start":703.177,"end":723.162,"text":"我想防疫是大家要一起努力的但是也希望說中央能夠予以協助或是協調地方政府對於這些相關的店家還是豬農有損失的我們是不是有一些協助的配套防疫很重要但是我們也要照顧到這些受到損失的這些民眾這個部分也請中央部會這邊盡可以的來協助來幫忙院長"},{"start":727.17,"end":750.108,"text":"是的在疫情穩定之後我們最重要的工作就是讓產業的損失能夠得到輔助那農業部也已經提出了對產業的支持另外一項就是對有一天解封的時候對於肉品的供應以及市場的價格我們要讓他平穩這兩項工作是最為重要的好 謝謝院長因為我時間有限我非常的趕所以我趕快講一下下一個"},{"start":751.628,"end":777.794,"text":"現在要針對丹納斯颱風過境後的環流造成本席選區鹿港鎮嚴重積水淹水這個問題來請教部長劇烈的氣候變遷颱風及強降雨的影響勢必會是未來地方治水一個很大的挑戰我們要如何防止未來嚴重的積水淹水影響到民眾的生命財產安全本席也覺得說應該要有更全面的檢視跟規劃"},{"start":779.314,"end":799.701,"text":"這次丹納斯颱風為了環流影響中部地區在7月8號降下又急又猛的大雨本席的選區鹿港有非常嚴重的積水淹水的狀況也被戲稱為是台版威尼斯民眾的家具家電都被泡水都壞了很多古蹟也泡在水裡面讓關心文資保存的民眾都非常的心痛"},{"start":801.775,"end":818.036,"text":"鹿港的鄉親跟本席都一直想要知道說到底我們鹿港鎮的排水系統及規劃是出了什麼問題到底要怎麼樣才能一個有系統的改善鹿港鎮現在目前的排水的方式有兩個一個是沿座排水一個是舊鹿港溪排水"},{"start":818.476,"end":839.606,"text":"那依照7月8號這個積淹水的狀況來看現有的鹿港的排水管道是沒有辦法負擔這麼大量的雨勢那其中呢沿錯排水靠的是重力排水如果遇到漲潮的時候水門是關閉的雖然這樣子可以阻止這個漲潮海水倒灌但是同時也讓鎮內這個積水是沒有辦法排出"},{"start":840.146,"end":860.923,"text":"那7月8号淹水积水的这个主要原因之一也是因为刚好是逢大潮是因为涨潮的关系所以水门是关闭的水就排不出去那旧鹿港溪的排水主要是靠那个鹿港抽水站鹿港抽水站还是本席的父亲陈静丁当委员的时候争取设置的所以年代真的很久远了"},{"start":861.343,"end":878.465,"text":"但目前看起來他真的是設施老舊抽水的效率也很差有迫切改善的這個需要加上目前應該是僅存鹿港這個抽水站還使用舊式螺旋式的抽水機所以要改善要更新鹿港抽水站這是刻不容緩的"},{"start":879.326,"end":906.633,"text":"那綜上所述呢為了解決鹿港每下雨就會積水淹水這個問題呢就有兩個部分第一個要興建沿錯抽水站來克服這個漲潮排水的問題第二個呢就是要更新鹿港抽水站來提高排水的效益才能解決下雨就積水就淹水那這兩個部分是不是請經濟部說明一下未來是不是可以全力協助鹿港鎮來克服這個積水跟淹水的問題"},{"start":908.804,"end":932.907,"text":"謝謝 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協助鹿港鎮克服積水跟淹水的問題？"],["龔部長明鑫：謝謝委員。現在整個鹿港的治水工程大概有幾項：第一項，洛津國小的蓄洪工程今年年底就會完成，總共是3.5億；另外還5個逕流分擔正在做處理工程，大概是1.3億；至於您剛才提到擴建鹿港抽水站這部分，我們會來更新、會把它加進來。"],["陳委員秀寳：關於顏厝排水站跟鹿港抽水站，我希望經濟部能思考更新設備與新建的必要性，以協助鹿港解決每次下雨都淹水的窘境，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳委員，謝謝卓院長。","下一位請張智倫委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":224,"meet_id":"院會-11-4-7","speakers":["江啟臣","張智倫","盧縣一","黃健豪","麥玉珍","黃仁","高金素梅","黃珊珊","吳思瑤","李坤城","沈伯洋","莊瑞雄","王美惠","羅美玲","陳永康","郭國文","林德福","陳冠廷","陳秀寳","李彥秀","吳琪銘"],"page_start":135,"meetingDate":["2025-11-04"],"gazette_id":"1148701","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1148701_00004","1148701_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期第7次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1148701_00009"}}}