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00:02:06,539\n是請具體回答我想這個部分對於國票金控這個部分公股有一些買入它的股票股數的部分那我想大家也都了解那我想最重要還是如同委員剛剛所說的是要把這個國票金控的公私治理如果能夠做得更做好我想這個是最主要的一個\n\n7\n00:02:07,539 --> 00:02:31,286\n我們未來在裡面的股權的時候公司治理當然是要做好然後公司治理不做好到底我現在問你是方向上你不是單純的介入現在的主流跟非主流的派系而是你有一個清楚的目標要把整個國泰的國票金控把它健全化有沒有這個目標是這個目標是這個目標的話那就有兩個方向一個是單獨把這些國票金控把它健全化或者是跟其他來做組合\n\n8\n00:02:32,566 --> 00:02:54,362\n那這個都是我覺得第一個是健全化未來的組合都是可以考慮的方向都不排除這個可能性對沒錯這要對外說明清楚啦好不好不是說變成是整個公股去介入單純的這個公司派或市場派的一個行為好不好我覺得部長你要站在一個高度對這個問題你要出來澄清不能不吭聲不發言或迴避\n\n9\n00:02:56,664 --> 00:03:14,177\n另外一個部分呢像財法法的部分本席就一直非常關心你看財法法你一直說拖到年底的時候要出來我剛剛就接到一個通知國民黨團待會十點要開會了說延宕召開延宕財法修法民進黨罔顧政治承諾記者會你知道這個嗎我剛剛已經傳簡訊給你了\n\n10\n00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:41,413\n你知道你就一个本来乱修法通过的版本应该是对于这个要修法的态度是相对保守的一个被乱修法的一个执行单位行政单位应该要积极去修法的反而一个该急的不急一个该不急的却很急你不觉得很错乱吗\n\n11\n00:03:44,922 --> 00:03:50,106\n跟委員報告我想才化法大概都我們現在已經到了差不多後續的一個階段那應該就會在今年底前會送出來的院版的版本那在水平分配的部分我們也四次召開跟地方政府的會議那在垂直部分呢院裡面也已經跟各部會去討論有關事權回歸地方的部分都已經討案到一個程度\n\n12\n00:04:10,723 --> 00:04:37,694\n事權還有包括香港法案的修正簡單的講像地方制度法就一定要修嘛對回歸到地方自治的事項對那個這種連帶的這種財權跟事權的發揮要去面對你年底要壓出來的話那你有沒有可能在這個會期通過有沒有打算我們當然希望這個會期能夠通過我們願版本那有這個目標之前在你法案提出來之前你可能各黨派要稍微溝通一下好不好那另外一個部分回到我今天要跟你另外還有一個跟你\n\n13\n00:04:40,239 --> 00:05:07,159\n质询的一个内容当中目前整个发展来说我们台湾的整个产业发展的速度那个发展速度非常快在AI的部分大家都全民共享但是整个台湾的社会发展却越来越两极化M型的一个社会发展就本席看到了这一个部分的资料财务差距的贫富差距的部分从16倍到变66倍你看\n\n14\n00:05:08,079 --> 00:05:30,388\n從家庭財富所得的部分其他的欄位都是倍數成長部長對不對最高20%是3.93倍人居的部分3.67倍可是家庭財富最低的20%的部分卻滿落死有沒有看到部長這個部分的情況底下顯然我們過去的稅制想要達到這個財富重複配失能嘛\n\n15\n00:05:31,428 --> 00:05:51,551\n没有这个效果你可能又减税到一部分人但是你不能分配到给其他的人那你这种情况底下有没有可能对于这些人来说你去做一个调查这些人在目前为止经济弱势者的这20%当中有没有还有承受哪一些税务负担\n\n16\n00:05:52,432 --> 00:06:07,920\n譬如讲他可能还有其他的你现在很多的税金都是综合所得税在减免对这些人是无感的一来他低所得后来他无所得你有没有其他的方式来减免减少他们在这个税务的负担有没有可能\n\n17\n00:06:09,275 --> 00:06:14,199\n我想跟委員報告所得稅制的優化其實已經推動了從107年逐步逐項在推動那也跟委員報告目前來說44%的家戶其實目前都沒有繳納所得稅至於您提到就是說這個家庭最低20%在去了解他有哪一些還繼續在繳稅\n\n18\n00:06:30,512 --> 00:06:45,534\n这个部分我想我们这个可能要跟那个组总这边来做讨论一下麻烦麻烦财政部跟组总那边了解一下你一个月做一份报告给本席要如何减轻这些人让经济弱势者没有这样的负担有没有可能\n\n19\n00:06:45,914 --> 00:07:06,142\n我想我们会跟主总在这边了解我一个月等你的报告还有另外一个部分整个产业发展非常的不平均整个明明知道那个贸易逆差的结果是来自于这一个科技创造大幅的粗糙但是你要克了关税的对象却是传产跟农业\n\n20\n00:07:08,103 --> 00:07:34,148\n傳產農業都是在中南部那本席就要講每次看到這一個部分我們在地方上一些退稅的方式要協調地方政府退稅的速度都非常的慢再加上這是天災我看到這個條款天災列入這個扣除額的部分提列損失的部分分五年但是個人的損失就只有當年度列舉扣除\n\n21\n00:07:35,253 --> 00:08:00,232\n那个部长一样天灾平凡的日本他们的企业跟个人都已经是五年了甚至他想要把这个天灾平凡的部分再把这五年继续延长我们财政部有没有可能朝向这个方式也就是个人跟企业都是用五年的方式而且要朝延长的方式的修考来进行修法本席会修法我想要先听你的意见\n\n22\n00:08:02,637 --> 00:08:29,225\n我想個人的部分目前是當年度扣減就是如同委員所說的那我想這個部分不合理啊不合理那您認為要再延長五年可以扣減那這個部分我們再來考量看好不好再來考量看看不排除我們再跟委員做一個討論不排除嘛對不對有道理嘛一樣天災平凡的日本都是五年了對不對這是第一個嘛而且他們還要再延長咧\n\n23\n00:08:30,660 --> 00:08:45,217\n他们要再延长所以说这个修法部分我们要思考一下要跟进脚步我们参考一下国外的案例也再跟委员在座讨论本席就跟你讲日本的案例了不排除好不好来进行修法可以吗再跟委员讨论\n\n24\n00:08:46,936 --> 00:09:08,548\n連修法的態度都不敢講實在是歷史都幫你舉出來了還有呢如果連後面這個這個其實是老問題了這載具的部分弄了載具之後還要有一個紙本的明細這明明是在統一發票以後就可以列入了電子發票的部分的實施作業當中有沒有真正的落實化無紙化的可能性部長\n\n25\n00:09:11,809 --> 00:09:32,752\n我們這個部分存入載具就是無紙化那又任由明細這個部分涉及到廠商他們有的時候他自己會有的還拉出一大堆的那個廣告出來看你有沒有可能在修法作業裡頭來要求要求他都不要出明細明細就放在電子發票就好了有的電子發票裡頭就有了\n\n26\n00:09:33,953 --> 00:09:49,078\n對啊這一片處理嘛免得真的很麻煩你去看那個櫃台一大堆紙就丟到那邊那個中心有沒有以前我記得也曾經有討論過這樣的一個事情有討論過還沒有執行啊是有有那個你知道嗎我想請問我請我們中心\n\n27\n00:09:50,367 --> 00:10:10,880\n主任那跟委員報告那針對這個電子發票實施作業要點裡面其實它已經規範廠商可以不用附這個明細那只是因為在不同的場合之下的消費情境不一樣舉例來說到了大賣場那可能很多的客戶呢他還是習慣在出這個櫃檯的時候對一下有哪一些貨品\n\n28\n00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:29,505\n那針對像這些超商賣場的部分我們都有極力的去宣導對宣導不足嘛就是你既然要無職化你就要宣導你就辦法都已經修了你就宣導的問題嘛好不好最後一個問題我問一下部長這個跟那個那個放寬入境免稅的這一個酒類的部分\n\n29\n00:10:30,625 --> 00:10:54,586\n當初我在看到的時候我在上半年的時候看到的時候所有的宣傳你們因為這一個預算的一個刪除來不及做新的宣傳的影片但是到六月份你們新的宣傳影片終於出來了可以吸納這個1.5公斤的這一個酒類進來到上個月底十月底因為華航的班級上面還在播放舊的一公升的影片這到底是什麼一回事\n\n30\n00:10:55,759 --> 00:11:13,329\n那你不是修法通過了嗎對已經修法通過我想這個部分我們再做加強的處理好不好我們再來再去盤點一下對啊你們難道這個溝通上有問題嗎對啊有什麼困難上次說預算的問題那這是什麼問題好謝謝委員的提示我們這個部分再來盤點趕快去做調整謝謝部長謝謝署長謝謝主席好謝謝郭國文委員謝謝部長接下來我們請賴慧媛委員質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n550\t1793\t主席有請莊部長請莊部長委員好\n9622\t38067\t部長好我想今天討論的使用牌照稅法本席有提案我想跟其他委員的爭議性不大我覺得想要探討的部分有幾點第一個我想要問一下部長最近這個國票監控的這個爭議在整個報章媒體上不斷的浮現出來甚至有不同的這個系統兩邊有不同主流非主流的系統當中也希望\n39688\t61867\t政府能夠來做主導免得三年一亂後來每年都持續上演這個部分其實就本身公股都這麼積極的介入整個國票的監控的案子明年的主導選將揭曉但是依照目前為止進場蠻多的就我知道進場蠻多我側面去了解\n62808\t89635\t但我要問的是說站在整個公股主導角色不是在跟特定的一個家族合作他主要是要健全整個國票金扣那第一階段你取得主導權之後你第二階段的方式我就覺得是你介入了一個重要的關鍵性也就是說你到底要把國票金扣把它正常化畢竟現在國票金扣是七行的發展它沒有銀行做主體\n90575\t101632\t沒有一個監控是這樣子那或者他要跟另外一個銀行來做一個搭配來形成另一個監控我很想知道部長你的態度是怎麼樣方向是怎麼樣 政策是怎麼樣\n103729\t126539\t是 請具體回答我想這個部分對於國票金控這個部分公股有一些買入它的股票股數的部分那我想大家也都了解那我想最重要還是如同委員剛剛所說的是要把這個國票金控的公私治理如果能夠做得更做好我想這個是最主要的一個\n127539\t151286\t我們未來在裡面的股權的時候公司治理當然是要做好然後公司治理不做好到底我現在問你是方向上你不是單純的介入現在的主流跟非主流的派系而是你有一個清楚的目標要把整個國泰的國票金控把它健全化有沒有這個目標是這個目標是這個目標的話那就有兩個方向一個是單獨把這些國票金控把它健全化或者是跟其他來做組合\n152566\t174362\t那這個都是我覺得第一個是健全化未來的組合都是可以考慮的方向都不排除這個可能性對 沒錯這要對外說明清楚啦好不好不是說變成是整個公股去介入單純的這個公司派或市場派的一個行為好不好我覺得部長你要站在一個高度對這個問題你要出來澄清不能不吭聲不發言或迴避\n176664\t194177\t另外一個部分呢像財法法的部分本席就一直非常關心你看財法法你一直說拖到年底的時候要出來我剛剛就接到一個通知國民黨團待會十點要開會了說延宕 召開延宕財法修法民進黨罔顧政治承諾記者會你知道這個嗎我剛剛已經傳簡訊給你了\n201840\t221413\t你知道你就一个本来乱修法通过的版本应该是对于这个要修法的态度是相对保守的一个被乱修法的一个执行单位行政单位应该要积极去修法的反而一个该急的不急一个该不急的却很急你不觉得很错乱吗\n224922\t230106\t跟委員報告我想才化法大概都我們現在已經到了差不多後續的一個階段那應該就會在今年底前會送出來的院版的版本那在水平分配的部分我們也四次召開跟地方政府的會議那在垂直部分呢院裡面也已經跟各部會去討論有關事權回歸地方的部分都已經討案到一個程度\n250723\t277694\t事權還有包括香港法案的修正簡單的講像地方制度法就一定要修嘛對 回歸到地方自治的事項對 那個這種連帶的這種財權跟事權的發揮要去面對你年底要壓出來的話那你有沒有可能在這個會期通過有沒有打算我們當然希望這個會期能夠通過我們願版本那有這個目標之前在你法案提出來之前你可能各黨派要稍微溝通一下好不好那另外一個部分回到我今天要跟你另外還有一個跟你\n280239\t307159\t质询的一个内容当中目前整个发展来说我们台湾的整个产业发展的速度那个发展速度非常快在AI的部分大家都全民共享但是整个台湾的社会发展却越来越两极化M型的一个社会发展就本席看到了这一个部分的资料财务差距的贫富差距的部分从16倍到变66倍你看\n308079\t330388\t從家庭財富所得的部分其他的欄位都是倍數成長 部長對不對最高20%是3.93倍人居的部分3.67倍可是家庭財富最低的20%的部分卻滿落死有沒有看到 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有没有可能\n405914\t426142\t我想我们会跟主总在这边了解我一个月等你的报告还有另外一个部分整个产业发展非常的不平均整个明明知道那个贸易逆差的结果是来自于这一个科技创造大幅的粗糙但是你要克了关税的对象却是传产跟农业\n428103\t454148\t傳產農業都是在中南部那本席就要講每次看到這一個部分我們在地方上一些退稅的方式要協調地方政府退稅的速度都非常的慢再加上這是天災我看到這個條款天災列入這個扣除額的部分提列損失的部分分五年但是個人的損失就只有當年度列舉扣除\n455253\t480232\t那个部长一样天灾平凡的日本他们的企业跟个人都已经是五年了甚至他想要把这个天灾平凡的部分再把这五年继续延长我们财政部有没有可能朝向这个方式也就是个人跟企业都是用五年的方式而且要朝延长的方式的修考来进行修法本席会修法我想要先听你的意见\n482637\t509225\t我想個人的部分目前是當年度扣減就是如同委員所說的那我想這個部分不合理啊不合理那您認為要再延長五年可以扣減那這個部分我們再來考量看好不好再來考量看看不排除我們再跟委員做一個討論不排除嘛對不對有道理嘛一樣天災平凡的日本都是五年了對不對這是第一個嘛而且他們還要再延長咧\n510660\t525217\t他们要再延长所以说这个修法部分我们要思考一下要跟进脚步我们参考一下国外的案例也再跟委员在座讨论本席就跟你讲日本的案例了不排除好不好来进行修法可以吗再跟委员讨论\n526936\t548548\t連修法的態度都不敢講實在是歷史都幫你舉出來了還有呢如果連後面這個這個其實是老問題了這載具的部分弄了載具之後還要有一個紙本的明細這明明是在統一發票以後就可以列入了電子發票的部分的實施作業當中有沒有真正的落實化無紙化的可能性部長\n551809\t572752\t我們這個部分存入載具就是無紙化那又任由明細這個部分涉及到廠商他們有的時候他自己會有的還拉出一大堆的那個廣告出來看你有沒有可能在修法作業裡頭來要求要求他都不要出明細明細就放在電子發票就好了有的電子發票裡頭就有了\n573953\t589078\t對啊這一片處理嘛 免得真的很麻煩你去看那個櫃台一大堆紙就丟到那邊那個中心有沒有以前我記得也曾經有討論過這樣的一個事情有討論過還沒有執行啊是 有有那個你知道嗎我想請問我請我們中心\n590367\t610880\t主任那跟委員報告那針對這個電子發票實施作業要點裡面其實它已經規範廠商可以不用附這個明細那只是因為在不同的場合之下的消費情境不一樣舉例來說到了大賣場那可能很多的客戶呢他還是習慣在出這個櫃檯的時候對一下有哪一些貨品\n611440\t629505\t那針對像這些超商賣場的部分我們都有極力的去宣導對 宣導不足嘛就是你既然要無職化你就要宣導你就辦法都已經修了你就宣導的問題嘛 好不好最後一個問題我問一下部長這個跟那個那個放寬入境免稅的這一個酒類的部分\n630625\t654586\t當初我在看到的時候我在上半年的時候看到的時候所有的宣傳你們因為這一個預算的一個刪除來不及做新的宣傳的影片但是到六月份你們新的宣傳影片終於出來了可以吸納這個1.5公斤的這一個酒類進來到上個月底十月底因為華航的班級上面還在播放舊的一公升的影片這到底是什麼一回事\n655759\t673329\t那你不是修法通過了嗎對 已經修法通過我想這個部分我們再做加強的處理好不好我們再來 再去盤點一下對啊你們難道這個溝通上有問題嗎對啊有什麼困難上次說預算的問題那這是什麼問題好 謝謝委員的提示我們這個部分再來盤點趕快去做調整謝謝部長 謝謝署長 謝謝主席好 謝謝郭國文委員謝謝部長接下來我們請賴慧媛委員質詢\n","txt":"主席有請莊部長請莊部長委員好\n部長好我想今天討論的使用牌照稅法本席有提案我想跟其他委員的爭議性不大我覺得想要探討的部分有幾點第一個我想要問一下部長最近這個國票監控的這個爭議在整個報章媒體上不斷的浮現出來甚至有不同的這個系統兩邊有不同主流非主流的系統當中也希望\n政府能夠來做主導免得三年一亂後來每年都持續上演這個部分其實就本身公股都這麼積極的介入整個國票的監控的案子明年的主導選將揭曉但是依照目前為止進場蠻多的就我知道進場蠻多我側面去了解\n但我要問的是說站在整個公股主導角色不是在跟特定的一個家族合作他主要是要健全整個國票金扣那第一階段你取得主導權之後你第二階段的方式我就覺得是你介入了一個重要的關鍵性也就是說你到底要把國票金扣把它正常化畢竟現在國票金扣是七行的發展它沒有銀行做主體\n沒有一個監控是這樣子那或者他要跟另外一個銀行來做一個搭配來形成另一個監控我很想知道部長你的態度是怎麼樣方向是怎麼樣 政策是怎麼樣\n是 請具體回答我想這個部分對於國票金控這個部分公股有一些買入它的股票股數的部分那我想大家也都了解那我想最重要還是如同委員剛剛所說的是要把這個國票金控的公私治理如果能夠做得更做好我想這個是最主要的一個\n我們未來在裡面的股權的時候公司治理當然是要做好然後公司治理不做好到底我現在問你是方向上你不是單純的介入現在的主流跟非主流的派系而是你有一個清楚的目標要把整個國泰的國票金控把它健全化有沒有這個目標是這個目標是這個目標的話那就有兩個方向一個是單獨把這些國票金控把它健全化或者是跟其他來做組合\n那這個都是我覺得第一個是健全化未來的組合都是可以考慮的方向都不排除這個可能性對 沒錯這要對外說明清楚啦好不好不是說變成是整個公股去介入單純的這個公司派或市場派的一個行為好不好我覺得部長你要站在一個高度對這個問題你要出來澄清不能不吭聲不發言或迴避\n另外一個部分呢像財法法的部分本席就一直非常關心你看財法法你一直說拖到年底的時候要出來我剛剛就接到一個通知國民黨團待會十點要開會了說延宕 召開延宕財法修法民進黨罔顧政治承諾記者會你知道這個嗎我剛剛已經傳簡訊給你了\n你知道你就一个本来乱修法通过的版本应该是对于这个要修法的态度是相对保守的一个被乱修法的一个执行单位行政单位应该要积极去修法的反而一个该急的不急一个该不急的却很急你不觉得很错乱吗\n跟委員報告我想才化法大概都我們現在已經到了差不多後續的一個階段那應該就會在今年底前會送出來的院版的版本那在水平分配的部分我們也四次召開跟地方政府的會議那在垂直部分呢院裡面也已經跟各部會去討論有關事權回歸地方的部分都已經討案到一個程度\n事權還有包括香港法案的修正簡單的講像地方制度法就一定要修嘛對 回歸到地方自治的事項對 那個這種連帶的這種財權跟事權的發揮要去面對你年底要壓出來的話那你有沒有可能在這個會期通過有沒有打算我們當然希望這個會期能夠通過我們願版本那有這個目標之前在你法案提出來之前你可能各黨派要稍微溝通一下好不好那另外一個部分回到我今天要跟你另外還有一個跟你\n质询的一个内容当中目前整个发展来说我们台湾的整个产业发展的速度那个发展速度非常快在AI的部分大家都全民共享但是整个台湾的社会发展却越来越两极化M型的一个社会发展就本席看到了这一个部分的资料财务差距的贫富差距的部分从16倍到变66倍你看\n從家庭財富所得的部分其他的欄位都是倍數成長 部長對不對最高20%是3.93倍人居的部分3.67倍可是家庭財富最低的20%的部分卻滿落死有沒有看到 部長這個部分的情況底下顯然我們過去的稅制想要達到這個財富重複配失能嘛\n没有这个效果你可能又减税到一部分人但是你不能分配到给其他的人那你这种情况底下有没有可能对于这些人来说你去做一个调查这些人在目前为止经济弱势者的这20%当中有没有还有承受哪一些税务负担\n譬如讲他可能还有其他的你现在很多的税金都是综合所得税在减免对这些人是无感的一来他低所得后来他无所得你有没有其他的方式来减免减少他们在这个税务的负担有没有可能\n我想跟委員報告所得稅制的優化其實已經推動了從107年逐步逐項在推動那也跟委員報告目前來說44%的家戶其實目前都沒有繳納所得稅至於您提到就是說這個家庭最低20%在去了解他有哪一些還繼續在繳稅\n这个部分我想我们这个可能要跟那个组总这边来做讨论一下麻烦 麻烦财政部跟组总那边了解一下你一个月做一份报告给本席要如何减轻这些人让经济弱势者没有这样的负担 有没有可能\n我想我们会跟主总在这边了解我一个月等你的报告还有另外一个部分整个产业发展非常的不平均整个明明知道那个贸易逆差的结果是来自于这一个科技创造大幅的粗糙但是你要克了关税的对象却是传产跟农业\n傳產農業都是在中南部那本席就要講每次看到這一個部分我們在地方上一些退稅的方式要協調地方政府退稅的速度都非常的慢再加上這是天災我看到這個條款天災列入這個扣除額的部分提列損失的部分分五年但是個人的損失就只有當年度列舉扣除\n那个部长一样天灾平凡的日本他们的企业跟个人都已经是五年了甚至他想要把这个天灾平凡的部分再把这五年继续延长我们财政部有没有可能朝向这个方式也就是个人跟企业都是用五年的方式而且要朝延长的方式的修考来进行修法本席会修法我想要先听你的意见\n我想個人的部分目前是當年度扣減就是如同委員所說的那我想這個部分不合理啊不合理那您認為要再延長五年可以扣減那這個部分我們再來考量看好不好再來考量看看不排除我們再跟委員做一個討論不排除嘛對不對有道理嘛一樣天災平凡的日本都是五年了對不對這是第一個嘛而且他們還要再延長咧\n他们要再延长所以说这个修法部分我们要思考一下要跟进脚步我们参考一下国外的案例也再跟委员在座讨论本席就跟你讲日本的案例了不排除好不好来进行修法可以吗再跟委员讨论\n連修法的態度都不敢講實在是歷史都幫你舉出來了還有呢如果連後面這個這個其實是老問題了這載具的部分弄了載具之後還要有一個紙本的明細這明明是在統一發票以後就可以列入了電子發票的部分的實施作業當中有沒有真正的落實化無紙化的可能性部長\n我們這個部分存入載具就是無紙化那又任由明細這個部分涉及到廠商他們有的時候他自己會有的還拉出一大堆的那個廣告出來看你有沒有可能在修法作業裡頭來要求要求他都不要出明細明細就放在電子發票就好了有的電子發票裡頭就有了\n對啊這一片處理嘛 免得真的很麻煩你去看那個櫃台一大堆紙就丟到那邊那個中心有沒有以前我記得也曾經有討論過這樣的一個事情有討論過還沒有執行啊是 有有那個你知道嗎我想請問我請我們中心\n主任那跟委員報告那針對這個電子發票實施作業要點裡面其實它已經規範廠商可以不用附這個明細那只是因為在不同的場合之下的消費情境不一樣舉例來說到了大賣場那可能很多的客戶呢他還是習慣在出這個櫃檯的時候對一下有哪一些貨品\n那針對像這些超商賣場的部分我們都有極力的去宣導對 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