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00:01:08,882\n那但是如何达到最好最高的效益我想我在同一个办公室在这里我也跟你讨论过好几次那当然我们现在也透过税制的诱因我们抑制税金的逃漏税还有我们要想办法提升房东投入市场的意愿也就是说让\n\n5\n00:01:10,363 --> 00:01:24,808\n提供願意出租的房東更多但是根據預算中心的統計我們近五年來還有包括我們查核租賃所得的申報案件大概有將近三成的案件都要補稅\n\n6\n00:01:26,849 --> 00:01:53,662\n那也就代表很多房東事實上是沒有繳稅的是沒有繳稅的他不願意報稅表示租屋市場逃漏稅的問題其實到現在為止還是非常的嚴重依據主計總處的調查在2020年我們的人口包括住宅普查顯示我們全台灣有87.6萬戶租屋的房戶但是在財政部綜合所得稅的列出\n\n7\n00:01:54,042 --> 00:02:14,527\n出租所得僅只有32萬筆也就是說80萬戶扣掉32萬筆也就是說可能有50萬戶的租賃收入是沒有申報的狀況所以我們現在不斷的鼓勵房東必須要釋出出租房東把住宅空的房子\n\n8\n00:02:15,447 --> 00:02:23,953\n是出來出租從2023年到2024年從政府申請租金補貼其實成效還不錯有將近78萬戶申請這個在內政部申請租屋的補貼但是從房屋稅跟地價稅或綜合所得稅的減免的戶數大概只有10萬戶15萬戶到26萬戶的狀況從這個數據上看就是說很多\n\n9\n00:02:45,168 --> 00:03:09,931\n很多出租給補貼戶的房東很多都不是公益出租人所以這個部分未來我們如何增加誘因因為國家沒有太多的錢我們雖然說稅積順利但有超徵稅收但是我們有更多的地方需要運用我想這個部分你可能應該是比我還要清楚所以如何提高出租還有包租代管的意願是當務之急\n\n10\n00:03:11,352 --> 00:03:25,037\n所以在這邊我再次的強調從內政部106年的統計實施包租代管公益出租人之後我們租賃契約有不斷的上升包括從110年我們提高免稅額之後15000塊之後我們看到擴大租金補貼之後租賃契約有大幅攀升到達60萬戶\n\n11\n00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:56,465\n但是這樣足不足夠我覺得我上次有跟你提因為你用一萬五千塊的免稅額全體使用但是我們有城鄉的差距在台北市在雲林在苗栗他可能租金的狀況就落差非常大租金的這幾年我們也都知道民生外食族跟租金是漲幅最高的\n\n12\n00:03:57,145 --> 00:04:06,892\n所以这个部分我觉得不能只有考虑税损的部分我觉得在财政部立场你们都只考虑到税损但是如果配合国家政策\n\n13\n00:04:27,686 --> 00:04:44,482\n達到賴總統百萬戶就是社宅供出來我不應該講社宅供出來就是有需要的人讓大家人人都有房可以住我覺得因為現在弱勢族群越來越多我希望部長可以去考量這個議題這部長可以嗎\n\n14\n00:04:47,529 --> 00:05:16,643\n了解谢谢委员委员大家对于希望要租房子的人都能够租到房子我再次提醒不能只考虑到税损对我了解除了税损之外我们也要考虑租税的一个公平性不能只考虑税损那目前来说那个房东每个月租金收入的免税额是1.5万所以1.5万那1.5万的话这是参考六都直辖市的一个平均的一个租金来算出来的\n\n15\n00:05:18,304 --> 00:05:38,975\n1.5萬那這個部分的1.5萬也跟我們所謂的租金的免稅特別扣除額是相對的是他們兩個正好也相對到18萬那這個部分我們要考慮到如果房東都收的租金不需要繳所得稅而薪資所得者都要繳所得稅部長因為我今天議題很多所以我建議內政部一起來考量從\n\n16\n00:05:42,757 --> 00:06:02,543\n更多的公益出租人願意加入在全國六都直轄市包括偏鄉大家都願意加入之外如何能夠用你手邊的工具手段不要只考慮到稅損如何去提高或因地制宜去做一些調整如何提高我希望用專案來討論好不好跟內政部一起來討論對跟內政部我們用各種方法好謝謝部長我第二個問題就是我要請問一下護理人員的獎勵金的所得\n\n17\n00:06:13,167 --> 00:06:33,064\n總統在重要的政策跟政見特別在衛福部的部分在醫療的部分改善我們醫療人員的環境包括在去年賴總統的政見當中留住醫事人員包括讓醫護人員留在職場上留人留財是他重要的政策在去年度113年7月我們推出了\n\n18\n00:06:33,704 --> 00:06:36,487\n三班輪班至夜班護理人員直接獎勵的企劃還有三班護病比達標的有一個醫院的獎勵讓願意值夜班的同仁還有包括一些負責執行這些企劃的醫護人員可以拿到一些獎勵\n\n19\n00:06:54,163 --> 00:07:15,337\n在這邊我再一次提醒就是說去年在這一塊你們把它列入其他所得但是今年你們把它調成薪資所得在這一塊的部分當然對於稅基的部分是沒有差別但是我要再一次提醒就是說這一塊如何達到目的不要因為處理這一塊而增加\n\n20\n00:07:16,658 --> 00:07:38,565\n醫院的負擔這一塊我希望部長可以一併納入考量因為同時你把他納入薪資所得的同時醫院也有一定的負擔在裡面所以怎麼樣去把它就是做一些權衡的考量我希望財政部在這一塊一併去做處理好那我最後一個問題還有兩分鐘時間我要再問一下才化法的部分\n\n21\n00:07:39,602 --> 00:08:05,656\n我覺得今天我們國民黨黨團也在開記者會我覺得從去年包括前一次我在質詢的時候雖然部長沒有來院次長在現場到底我們對於財化法的修法你們跟地方溝通了四次當時你們提到說地方大部分其實都覺得目前的溝通方法是可以的但是我覺得\n\n22\n00:08:07,156 --> 00:08:28,933\n財政部是報喜報憂另外到底114我們當時調整說我們當時修法的內容是指說今年一般性的補助款不得低於去年我要請問部長我們的修法我們說不得低於去年我們當時在三讀的版本我們指的到底是113年還114年\n\n23\n00:08:33,214 --> 00:08:45,292\n我們的七七年到底是指113年還是114年我們修法的內容我們當時修法的目的到底是113年還是114年\n\n24\n00:08:50,128 --> 00:09:03,957\n對當時去年12月底三讀通過的財化法有提到一般性補助款不得低於前一年嘛那所以我們的目的我們當時的目的到底修法的國民黨的版本民眾黨的版本到底目的是什麼\n\n25\n00:09:05,168 --> 00:09:07,470\n我們這幾年到底指的是哪一年我們大使修法通過其實是去年通過的\n\n26\n00:09:21,038 --> 00:09:48,671\n那就是指113年或112年嘛對不對可是您提的這個部分有關一般性補助款在這個主總他這次在計算115年的時候他是用今年114年的2501億來算這一般性補助款我們指的是不得低於去年喔我們指的是不得低於去年喔我們版本不是不得低於去年喔你們現在跟地方溝通是用114年的版本耶\n\n27\n00:09:51,690 --> 00:10:14,705\n所以我覺得你們財政部在玩文字遊戲睜眼說瞎話如果財化法已經通過特別部長你是基層出來的你應該守法才對啊你們跟地方溝通像114年的當機期年地方是你們以上對下溝通各地方政府怎麼敢跟你們講\n\n28\n00:10:16,721 --> 00:10:43,379\n而且違背我們地方我們在立法院修法的目的你非常清楚立法院修過的版本是什麼內容你們用這樣的方式在跟地方溝通你們就是在玩文字遊戲如果到今天為止過了大罷免如果從過去賴市長到現在的賴總統還不知民間疾苦還在玩這些文字遊戲我非常遺憾\n\n29\n00:10:44,605 --> 00:10:59,602\n在玩兩面手法到現在還在玩政治遊戲苦苦的地方以台北市為例今年砍掉的就是學校班班有冷氣還有重要的基礎建設包括兒少老人身心障礙包括學校的電費補助\n\n30\n00:11:02,356 --> 00:11:13,563\n這些都變成是地方買單甚至有些縣市可能因為你們這樣子一般補助款的砍掉或者是七七年你們把它認定是114年很多縣市都走不下去委員台北市的115年的中央統籌分配稅款增加452億門\n\n31\n00:11:20,627 --> 00:11:35,142\n七七年我們的版本是以一百一十三年我們的七七年是以一百一十三年也就是每一年你們都應該是比到前一年當時我們通過版本的意思是一百一十三年我非常遺憾你們到現在還在玩文字遊戲好謝謝李彥修委員的資訊接下來請顏寬恆委員資訊\n\n32\n00:11:51,150 --> 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找土地包括成本都非常非常的高所以他有兩個重要的手段就是透過公益出租人跟包租代管的制度這個制度事實上我個人非常的支持\n48670\t68882\t那但是如何达到最好最高的效益我想我在同一个办公室在这里我也跟你讨论过好几次那当然我们现在也透过税制的诱因我们抑制税金的逃漏税还有我们要想办法提升房东投入市场的意愿也就是说让\n70363\t84808\t提供願意出租的房東更多但是根據預算中心的統計我們近五年來還有包括我們查核租賃所得的申報案件大概有將近三成的案件都要補稅\n86849\t113662\t那也就代表很多房東事實上是沒有繳稅的是沒有繳稅的他不願意報稅表示租屋市場逃漏稅的問題其實到現在為止還是非常的嚴重依據主計總處的調查在2020年我們的人口包括住宅普查顯示我們全台灣有87.6萬戶租屋的房戶但是在財政部綜合所得稅的列出\n114042\t134527\t出租所得僅只有32萬筆也就是說80萬戶扣掉32萬筆也就是說可能有50萬戶的租賃收入是沒有申報的狀況所以我們現在不斷的鼓勵房東必須要釋出出租房東把住宅空的房子\n135447\t143953\t是出來出租從2023年到2024年從政府申請租金補貼其實成效還不錯有將近78萬戶申請這個在內政部申請租屋的補貼但是從房屋稅跟地價稅或綜合所得稅的減免的戶數大概只有10萬戶15萬戶到26萬戶的狀況從這個數據上看就是說很多\n165168\t189931\t很多出租給補貼戶的房東很多都不是公益出租人所以這個部分未來我們如何增加誘因因為國家沒有太多的錢我們雖然說稅積順利但有超徵稅收但是我們有更多的地方需要運用我想這個部分你可能應該是比我還要清楚所以如何提高出租還有包租代管的意願是當務之急\n191352\t205037\t所以在這邊我再次的強調從內政部106年的統計實施包租代管公益出租人之後我們租賃契約有不斷的上升包括從110年我們提高免稅額之後15000塊之後我們看到擴大租金補貼之後租賃契約有大幅攀升到達60萬戶\n211920\t236465\t但是這樣足不足夠我覺得我上次有跟你提因為你用一萬五千塊的免稅額全體使用但是我們有城鄉的差距在台北市在雲林在苗栗他可能租金的狀況就落差非常大租金的這幾年我們也都知道民生外食族跟租金是漲幅最高的\n237145\t246892\t所以这个部分我觉得不能只有考虑税损的部分我觉得在财政部立场你们都只考虑到税损但是如果配合国家政策\n267686\t284482\t達到賴總統百萬戶就是社宅供出來我不應該講社宅供出來就是有需要的人讓大家人人都有房可以住我覺得因為現在弱勢族群越來越多我希望部長可以去考量這個議題這部長可以嗎\n287529\t316643\t了解谢谢委员委员大家对于希望要租房子的人都能够租到房子我再次提醒不能只考虑到税损对我了解除了税损之外我们也要考虑租税的一个公平性不能只考虑税损那目前来说那个房东每个月租金收入的免税额是1.5万所以1.5万那1.5万的话这是参考六都直辖市的一个平均的一个租金来算出来的\n318304\t338975\t1.5萬那這個部分的1.5萬也跟我們所謂的租金的免稅特別扣除額是相對的是他們兩個正好也相對到18萬那這個部分我們要考慮到如果房東都收的租金不需要繳所得稅而薪資所得者都要繳所得稅部長因為我今天議題很多所以我建議內政部一起來考量從\n342757\t362543\t更多的公益出租人願意加入在全國六都直轄市包括偏鄉大家都願意加入之外如何能夠用你手邊的工具手段不要只考慮到稅損如何去提高或因地制宜去做一些調整如何提高我希望用專案來討論好不好跟內政部一起來討論對 跟內政部我們用各種方法好 謝謝部長我第二個問題就是我要請問一下護理人員的獎勵金的所得\n373167\t393064\t總統在重要的政策跟政見特別在衛福部的部分在醫療的部分改善我們醫療人員的環境包括在去年賴總統的政見當中留住醫事人員包括讓醫護人員留在職場上留人留財是他重要的政策在去年度113年7月我們推出了\n393704\t396487\t三班輪班至夜班護理人員直接獎勵的企劃還有三班護病比達標的有一個醫院的獎勵讓願意值夜班的同仁還有包括一些負責執行這些企劃的醫護人員可以拿到一些獎勵\n414163\t435337\t在這邊我再一次提醒就是說去年在這一塊你們把它列入其他所得但是今年你們把它調成薪資所得在這一塊的部分當然對於稅基的部分是沒有差別但是我要再一次提醒就是說這一塊如何達到目的不要因為處理這一塊而增加\n436658\t458565\t醫院的負擔這一塊我希望部長可以一併納入考量因為同時你把他納入薪資所得的同時醫院也有一定的負擔在裡面所以怎麼樣去把它就是做一些權衡的考量我希望財政部在這一塊一併去做處理好那我最後一個問題還有兩分鐘時間我要再問一下才化法的部分\n459602\t485656\t我覺得今天我們國民黨黨團也在開記者會我覺得從去年包括前一次我在質詢的時候雖然部長沒有來 院次長在現場到底我們對於財化法的修法你們跟地方溝通了四次當時你們提到說地方大部分其實都覺得目前的溝通方法是可以的但是我覺得\n487156\t508933\t財政部是報喜報憂另外到底114我們當時調整說我們當時修法的內容是指說今年一般性的補助款不得低於去年我要請問部長我們的修法我們說不得低於去年我們當時在三讀的版本我們指的到底是113年還114年\n513214\t525292\t我們的七七年到底是指113年還是114年我們修法的內容我們當時修法的目的到底是113年還是114年\n530128\t543957\t對 當時去年12月底三讀通過的財化法有提到一般性補助款不得低於前一年嘛那所以我們的目的我們當時的目的到底修法的國民黨的版本民眾黨的版本到底目的是什麼\n545168\t547470\t我們這幾年到底指的是哪一年我們大使修法通過其實是去年通過的\n561038\t588671\t那就是指113年或112年嘛對不對可是您提的這個部分有關一般性補助款在這個主總他這次在計算115年的時候他是用今年114年的2501億來算這一般性補助款我們指的是不得低於去年喔我們指的是不得低於去年喔我們版本不是不得低於去年喔你們現在跟地方溝通是用114年的版本耶\n591690\t614705\t所以我覺得你們財政部在玩文字遊戲睜眼說瞎話如果財化法已經通過特別部長你是基層出來的你應該守法才對啊你們跟地方溝通像114年的當機期年地方是你們以上對下溝通各地方政府怎麼敢跟你們講\n616721\t643379\t而且違背我們地方我們在立法院修法的目的你非常清楚立法院修過的版本是什麼內容你們用這樣的方式在跟地方溝通你們就是在玩文字遊戲如果到今天為止過了大罷免如果從過去賴市長到現在的賴總統還不知民間疾苦還在玩這些文字遊戲我非常遺憾\n644605\t659602\t在玩兩面手法到現在還在玩政治遊戲苦苦的地方以台北市為例今年砍掉的就是學校班班有冷氣還有重要的基礎建設包括兒少老人身心障礙包括學校的電費補助\n662356\t673563\t這些都變成是地方買單甚至有些縣市可能因為你們這樣子一般補助款的砍掉或者是七七年你們把它認定是114年很多縣市都走不下去委員台北市的115年的中央統籌分配稅款增加452億門\n680627\t695142\t七七年我們的版本是以一百一十三年我們的七七年是以一百一十三年也就是每一年你們都應該是比到前一年當時我們通過版本的意思是一百一十三年我非常遺憾你們到現在還在玩文字遊戲好 謝謝李彥修委員的資訊接下來請顏寬恆委員資訊\n711150\t713065\t主席 各位列席官員 各位委員通\n","txt":"請莊部長\n我也好部长好今天算是户税的修法但我今天早上提案报告说明我已经说得很清楚我就不再占用时间但是我今天倒是因为时间有限我还是要请教你几个我长期关注的议题第一个就是有关于公益出租包括包租贷款的免税额的豁免的部分\n賴總統為了達到居住正義因為我們現在要蓋社宅 找土地包括成本都非常非常的高所以他有兩個重要的手段就是透過公益出租人跟包租代管的制度這個制度事實上我個人非常的支持\n那但是如何达到最好最高的效益我想我在同一个办公室在这里我也跟你讨论过好几次那当然我们现在也透过税制的诱因我们抑制税金的逃漏税还有我们要想办法提升房东投入市场的意愿也就是说让\n提供願意出租的房東更多但是根據預算中心的統計我們近五年來還有包括我們查核租賃所得的申報案件大概有將近三成的案件都要補稅\n那也就代表很多房東事實上是沒有繳稅的是沒有繳稅的他不願意報稅表示租屋市場逃漏稅的問題其實到現在為止還是非常的嚴重依據主計總處的調查在2020年我們的人口包括住宅普查顯示我們全台灣有87.6萬戶租屋的房戶但是在財政部綜合所得稅的列出\n出租所得僅只有32萬筆也就是說80萬戶扣掉32萬筆也就是說可能有50萬戶的租賃收入是沒有申報的狀況所以我們現在不斷的鼓勵房東必須要釋出出租房東把住宅空的房子\n是出來出租從2023年到2024年從政府申請租金補貼其實成效還不錯有將近78萬戶申請這個在內政部申請租屋的補貼但是從房屋稅跟地價稅或綜合所得稅的減免的戶數大概只有10萬戶15萬戶到26萬戶的狀況從這個數據上看就是說很多\n很多出租給補貼戶的房東很多都不是公益出租人所以這個部分未來我們如何增加誘因因為國家沒有太多的錢我們雖然說稅積順利但有超徵稅收但是我們有更多的地方需要運用我想這個部分你可能應該是比我還要清楚所以如何提高出租還有包租代管的意願是當務之急\n所以在這邊我再次的強調從內政部106年的統計實施包租代管公益出租人之後我們租賃契約有不斷的上升包括從110年我們提高免稅額之後15000塊之後我們看到擴大租金補貼之後租賃契約有大幅攀升到達60萬戶\n但是這樣足不足夠我覺得我上次有跟你提因為你用一萬五千塊的免稅額全體使用但是我們有城鄉的差距在台北市在雲林在苗栗他可能租金的狀況就落差非常大租金的這幾年我們也都知道民生外食族跟租金是漲幅最高的\n所以这个部分我觉得不能只有考虑税损的部分我觉得在财政部立场你们都只考虑到税损但是如果配合国家政策\n達到賴總統百萬戶就是社宅供出來我不應該講社宅供出來就是有需要的人讓大家人人都有房可以住我覺得因為現在弱勢族群越來越多我希望部長可以去考量這個議題這部長可以嗎\n了解谢谢委员委员大家对于希望要租房子的人都能够租到房子我再次提醒不能只考虑到税损对我了解除了税损之外我们也要考虑租税的一个公平性不能只考虑税损那目前来说那个房东每个月租金收入的免税额是1.5万所以1.5万那1.5万的话这是参考六都直辖市的一个平均的一个租金来算出来的\n1.5萬那這個部分的1.5萬也跟我們所謂的租金的免稅特別扣除額是相對的是他們兩個正好也相對到18萬那這個部分我們要考慮到如果房東都收的租金不需要繳所得稅而薪資所得者都要繳所得稅部長因為我今天議題很多所以我建議內政部一起來考量從\n更多的公益出租人願意加入在全國六都直轄市包括偏鄉大家都願意加入之外如何能夠用你手邊的工具手段不要只考慮到稅損如何去提高或因地制宜去做一些調整如何提高我希望用專案來討論好不好跟內政部一起來討論對 跟內政部我們用各種方法好 謝謝部長我第二個問題就是我要請問一下護理人員的獎勵金的所得\n總統在重要的政策跟政見特別在衛福部的部分在醫療的部分改善我們醫療人員的環境包括在去年賴總統的政見當中留住醫事人員包括讓醫護人員留在職場上留人留財是他重要的政策在去年度113年7月我們推出了\n三班輪班至夜班護理人員直接獎勵的企劃還有三班護病比達標的有一個醫院的獎勵讓願意值夜班的同仁還有包括一些負責執行這些企劃的醫護人員可以拿到一些獎勵\n在這邊我再一次提醒就是說去年在這一塊你們把它列入其他所得但是今年你們把它調成薪資所得在這一塊的部分當然對於稅基的部分是沒有差別但是我要再一次提醒就是說這一塊如何達到目的不要因為處理這一塊而增加\n醫院的負擔這一塊我希望部長可以一併納入考量因為同時你把他納入薪資所得的同時醫院也有一定的負擔在裡面所以怎麼樣去把它就是做一些權衡的考量我希望財政部在這一塊一併去做處理好那我最後一個問題還有兩分鐘時間我要再問一下才化法的部分\n我覺得今天我們國民黨黨團也在開記者會我覺得從去年包括前一次我在質詢的時候雖然部長沒有來 院次長在現場到底我們對於財化法的修法你們跟地方溝通了四次當時你們提到說地方大部分其實都覺得目前的溝通方法是可以的但是我覺得\n財政部是報喜報憂另外到底114我們當時調整說我們當時修法的內容是指說今年一般性的補助款不得低於去年我要請問部長我們的修法我們說不得低於去年我們當時在三讀的版本我們指的到底是113年還114年\n我們的七七年到底是指113年還是114年我們修法的內容我們當時修法的目的到底是113年還是114年\n對 當時去年12月底三讀通過的財化法有提到一般性補助款不得低於前一年嘛那所以我們的目的我們當時的目的到底修法的國民黨的版本民眾黨的版本到底目的是什麼\n我們這幾年到底指的是哪一年我們大使修法通過其實是去年通過的\n那就是指113年或112年嘛對不對可是您提的這個部分有關一般性補助款在這個主總他這次在計算115年的時候他是用今年114年的2501億來算這一般性補助款我們指的是不得低於去年喔我們指的是不得低於去年喔我們版本不是不得低於去年喔你們現在跟地方溝通是用114年的版本耶\n所以我覺得你們財政部在玩文字遊戲睜眼說瞎話如果財化法已經通過特別部長你是基層出來的你應該守法才對啊你們跟地方溝通像114年的當機期年地方是你們以上對下溝通各地方政府怎麼敢跟你們講\n而且違背我們地方我們在立法院修法的目的你非常清楚立法院修過的版本是什麼內容你們用這樣的方式在跟地方溝通你們就是在玩文字遊戲如果到今天為止過了大罷免如果從過去賴市長到現在的賴總統還不知民間疾苦還在玩這些文字遊戲我非常遺憾\n在玩兩面手法到現在還在玩政治遊戲苦苦的地方以台北市為例今年砍掉的就是學校班班有冷氣還有重要的基礎建設包括兒少老人身心障礙包括學校的電費補助\n這些都變成是地方買單甚至有些縣市可能因為你們這樣子一般補助款的砍掉或者是七七年你們把它認定是114年很多縣市都走不下去委員台北市的115年的中央統籌分配稅款增加452億門\n七七年我們的版本是以一百一十三年我們的七七年是以一百一十三年也就是每一年你們都應該是比到前一年當時我們通過版本的意思是一百一十三年我非常遺憾你們到現在還在玩文字遊戲好 謝謝李彥修委員的資訊接下來請顏寬恆委員資訊\n主席 各位列席官員 各位委員通\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.252 --> 00:00.272\n請莊部長\n\n00:07.014 --> 00:30.591\n我也好部长好今天算是户税的修法但我今天早上提案报告说明我已经说得很清楚我就不再占用时间但是我今天倒是因为时间有限我还是要请教你几个我长期关注的议题第一个就是有关于公益出租包括包租贷款的免税额的豁免的部分\n\n00:33.033 --> 00:47.709\n賴總統為了達到居住正義因為我們現在要蓋社宅找土地包括成本都非常非常的高所以他有兩個重要的手段就是透過公益出租人跟包租代管的制度這個制度事實上我個人非常的支持\n\n00:48.670 --> 01:08.882\n那但是如何达到最好最高的效益我想我在同一个办公室在这里我也跟你讨论过好几次那当然我们现在也透过税制的诱因我们抑制税金的逃漏税还有我们要想办法提升房东投入市场的意愿也就是说让\n\n01:10.363 --> 01:24.808\n提供願意出租的房東更多但是根據預算中心的統計我們近五年來還有包括我們查核租賃所得的申報案件大概有將近三成的案件都要補稅\n\n01:26.849 --> 01:53.662\n那也就代表很多房東事實上是沒有繳稅的是沒有繳稅的他不願意報稅表示租屋市場逃漏稅的問題其實到現在為止還是非常的嚴重依據主計總處的調查在2020年我們的人口包括住宅普查顯示我們全台灣有87.6萬戶租屋的房戶但是在財政部綜合所得稅的列出\n\n01:54.042 --> 02:14.527\n出租所得僅只有32萬筆也就是說80萬戶扣掉32萬筆也就是說可能有50萬戶的租賃收入是沒有申報的狀況所以我們現在不斷的鼓勵房東必須要釋出出租房東把住宅空的房子\n\n02:15.447 --> 02:23.953\n是出來出租從2023年到2024年從政府申請租金補貼其實成效還不錯有將近78萬戶申請這個在內政部申請租屋的補貼但是從房屋稅跟地價稅或綜合所得稅的減免的戶數大概只有10萬戶15萬戶到26萬戶的狀況從這個數據上看就是說很多\n\n02:45.168 --> 03:09.931\n很多出租給補貼戶的房東很多都不是公益出租人所以這個部分未來我們如何增加誘因因為國家沒有太多的錢我們雖然說稅積順利但有超徵稅收但是我們有更多的地方需要運用我想這個部分你可能應該是比我還要清楚所以如何提高出租還有包租代管的意願是當務之急\n\n03:11.352 --> 03:25.037\n所以在這邊我再次的強調從內政部106年的統計實施包租代管公益出租人之後我們租賃契約有不斷的上升包括從110年我們提高免稅額之後15000塊之後我們看到擴大租金補貼之後租賃契約有大幅攀升到達60萬戶\n\n03:31.920 --> 03:56.465\n但是這樣足不足夠我覺得我上次有跟你提因為你用一萬五千塊的免稅額全體使用但是我們有城鄉的差距在台北市在雲林在苗栗他可能租金的狀況就落差非常大租金的這幾年我們也都知道民生外食族跟租金是漲幅最高的\n\n03:57.145 --> 04:06.892\n所以这个部分我觉得不能只有考虑税损的部分我觉得在财政部立场你们都只考虑到税损但是如果配合国家政策\n\n04:27.686 --> 04:44.482\n達到賴總統百萬戶就是社宅供出來我不應該講社宅供出來就是有需要的人讓大家人人都有房可以住我覺得因為現在弱勢族群越來越多我希望部長可以去考量這個議題這部長可以嗎\n\n04:47.529 --> 05:16.643\n了解谢谢委员委员大家对于希望要租房子的人都能够租到房子我再次提醒不能只考虑到税损对我了解除了税损之外我们也要考虑租税的一个公平性不能只考虑税损那目前来说那个房东每个月租金收入的免税额是1.5万所以1.5万那1.5万的话这是参考六都直辖市的一个平均的一个租金来算出来的\n\n05:18.304 --> 05:38.975\n1.5萬那這個部分的1.5萬也跟我們所謂的租金的免稅特別扣除額是相對的是他們兩個正好也相對到18萬那這個部分我們要考慮到如果房東都收的租金不需要繳所得稅而薪資所得者都要繳所得稅部長因為我今天議題很多所以我建議內政部一起來考量從\n\n05:42.757 --> 06:02.543\n更多的公益出租人願意加入在全國六都直轄市包括偏鄉大家都願意加入之外如何能夠用你手邊的工具手段不要只考慮到稅損如何去提高或因地制宜去做一些調整如何提高我希望用專案來討論好不好跟內政部一起來討論對跟內政部我們用各種方法好謝謝部長我第二個問題就是我要請問一下護理人員的獎勵金的所得\n\n06:13.167 --> 06:33.064\n總統在重要的政策跟政見特別在衛福部的部分在醫療的部分改善我們醫療人員的環境包括在去年賴總統的政見當中留住醫事人員包括讓醫護人員留在職場上留人留財是他重要的政策在去年度113年7月我們推出了\n\n06:33.704 --> 06:36.487\n三班輪班至夜班護理人員直接獎勵的企劃還有三班護病比達標的有一個醫院的獎勵讓願意值夜班的同仁還有包括一些負責執行這些企劃的醫護人員可以拿到一些獎勵\n\n06:54.163 --> 07:15.337\n在這邊我再一次提醒就是說去年在這一塊你們把它列入其他所得但是今年你們把它調成薪資所得在這一塊的部分當然對於稅基的部分是沒有差別但是我要再一次提醒就是說這一塊如何達到目的不要因為處理這一塊而增加\n\n07:16.658 --> 07:38.565\n醫院的負擔這一塊我希望部長可以一併納入考量因為同時你把他納入薪資所得的同時醫院也有一定的負擔在裡面所以怎麼樣去把它就是做一些權衡的考量我希望財政部在這一塊一併去做處理好那我最後一個問題還有兩分鐘時間我要再問一下才化法的部分\n\n07:39.602 --> 08:05.656\n我覺得今天我們國民黨黨團也在開記者會我覺得從去年包括前一次我在質詢的時候雖然部長沒有來院次長在現場到底我們對於財化法的修法你們跟地方溝通了四次當時你們提到說地方大部分其實都覺得目前的溝通方法是可以的但是我覺得\n\n08:07.156 --> 08:28.933\n財政部是報喜報憂另外到底114我們當時調整說我們當時修法的內容是指說今年一般性的補助款不得低於去年我要請問部長我們的修法我們說不得低於去年我們當時在三讀的版本我們指的到底是113年還114年\n\n08:33.214 --> 08:45.292\n我們的七七年到底是指113年還是114年我們修法的內容我們當時修法的目的到底是113年還是114年\n\n08:50.128 --> 09:03.957\n對當時去年12月底三讀通過的財化法有提到一般性補助款不得低於前一年嘛那所以我們的目的我們當時的目的到底修法的國民黨的版本民眾黨的版本到底目的是什麼\n\n09:05.168 --> 09:07.470\n我們這幾年到底指的是哪一年我們大使修法通過其實是去年通過的\n\n09:21.038 --> 09:48.671\n那就是指113年或112年嘛對不對可是您提的這個部分有關一般性補助款在這個主總他這次在計算115年的時候他是用今年114年的2501億來算這一般性補助款我們指的是不得低於去年喔我們指的是不得低於去年喔我們版本不是不得低於去年喔你們現在跟地方溝通是用114年的版本耶\n\n09:51.690 --> 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