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00:02:39,620\n但是相對的我是覺得是業務量大了好業務量看起來是蠻大的如果說在第一階段二十四件等候回覆處理中他的規定是九十天但我們現在發覺審計報告特別說你們來來回回的次數特別多啦所以說一直在寫了報告然後又不行你處理方式好像又不行這樣的來來去去的一個情況是\n\n8\n00:02:41,440 --> 00:03:05,346\n可以講說是水路這個部分航港局的部分我是覺得應該是不是人力不夠我不太清楚那尤其列管中就沉入剛剛部長說的因為當發生一個問題我們的運安會他提出來一個專業的意見然後希望你們能夠落實去改善最終的改善又不是變成一個這個紙上的文書paperwork所以在你們\n\n9\n00:03:07,912 --> 00:03:30,162\n當確實你的計畫他說OK了然後把它變成列管就你有實際的作為不管透過了表格人力或者實際的進場去這個改革完畢之後就列管會解除嘛那行政局我們葉局長你說一下好不好因為你列管的一個比例啊我們特別看到我們不要談比例了就是說其中最早的有2022年\n\n10\n00:03:31,983 --> 00:03:52,592\n三月份的到現在是三年半三年半喔那它一開始列管那坦白講你也解決了不少件嘛那有一些像飲水人跟我們所有船舶進出港一些風險安全的蠻多的這個部分列管中這樣的一個效率是不是能夠再把它加強一下\n\n11\n00:03:54,044 --> 00:04:09,214\n是謝謝委員的這個這個催訓那跟委員報告現在列管的12項裡面最主要還是涉及法規的修正那因此呢所需要時間比較長那這邊涉及到飲水法我們的航路標示條例那還有這個\n\n12\n00:04:10,795 --> 00:04:31,563\n相關的包括人力的調整我們現在把運安會的包括飲水航路標示條例這一些的修法都列為優先重要事項在列管我們的航路標示條例現在已經報佈在審議當中飲水法最遲在12月底前\n\n13\n00:04:32,083 --> 00:04:48,631\n也都會報佈所以我們針對運安會的列管事項一向是列為最優先我們持續在管控我覺得列管要解決是你工作最重要的一個目標那這個部分我們特別看到17項\n\n14\n00:04:49,952 --> 00:05:15,767\n的列管的一個部分當然有一些屬於地方政府的有一些屬於漁業署的或者甚至其他單位的但是有11到12項是屬於交通部跟航港局的這裡面因為有一些要修改法規的要到部裡面去也希望部長能夠全力的加快效率好不好好那第二個就是看到審議報告特別說這個部分其實我跟局長也特別說過我是有點憂心\n\n15\n00:05:17,128 --> 00:05:42,784\n那為了你們強化港口進出管理的機制事實上港港局已經從你們建設基金撥了1.3億建置第二代的MTNET應該把它更完整更有效率然後不要有能夠可以講說品質整個提升但是審計部的一個報告的意見你也看到了現在也公開了他說但你這個系統他覺得似乎有點不太夠因為他認為你的審核標準\n\n16\n00:05:44,085 --> 00:05:58,382\n不夠完備啦不利有效預防預防高風險的一個船舶進入那舉例說明他從108年到去年的11月統計有15艘三港的一個船隻被傳統遺棄\n\n17\n00:06:00,945 --> 00:06:20,383\n被傳動儀器那這個部分其實在過去我們看到你自己自己的一個報告甚至港公司的報告都沒有提及這個問題發現這個問題呢事實上是ITF就是有一個國際運輸工人聯合會他們就統計嘛權益怎麼又因為船被\n\n18\n00:06:21,344 --> 00:06:35,590\n儀器那這個船員啊搞不好薪水領不到什麼也沒有嘛所以他們就是對於全世界的一個船隻都做一個統計所以統計到去年11月他發現了在航港局的港口航港局港口就有15艦\n\n19\n00:06:37,110 --> 00:07:05,127\n15件那時候我剛開始問你的時候其實你也沒有很清楚還沒有很清楚好但是我們最新問你謝謝你你說這15件都解決完畢了嘛15件都已經促使船東處理完畢了是不是是報告員15件全部都處理完畢不是已經出港就是船舶都已經做了處理拆解船舶怎麼處理把它消滅掉還是怎樣拆解那船員都已經這個協助返國\n\n20\n00:07:06,087 --> 00:07:34,246\n好那我們來看喔這個是審計部提出來的一個報告那也謝謝啦至少別人有提醒你馬上處理嘛我覺得不錯但是我們這個三天之內我們就請教你那請教呢第一個回覆當然就是全部解決審計部的報告但第二個我們就一直在問你說因為是到去年11月的嘛那到現在又快了10個月了那有沒有新生的案件在航港就列管列管在香港呃商港那你們說\n\n21\n00:07:35,327 --> 00:07:58,289\n就是你們承辦人啊不是你啊承辦人就說目前沒有全部都解決完畢了這個是這樣嗎是這樣嗎當然我答案都寫在這裡嘛是這樣嗎報告委員我們現在跟港務公司有建立一個每個月兩次的一個清查機制就是在港內沒有超過兩週沒有作業的傳播我們都會把它做一個清查\n\n22\n00:07:58,789 --> 00:08:19,234\n那要如果不是合理的這個治港的這個原因我們會要求他移泊或盡快的離港那到10月31號為止並不是沒有治港的傳播目前統計所有的三港有33艘那這些主要的原因是等待整修或是港口國的這個管制檢查缺失\n\n23\n00:08:20,094 --> 00:08:44,576\n那所以啊我說我要拜託你啦就是說因為整個你是一個team啦你是一個不管誰答都代表你啊我們問了兩次沒有了沒有了15件都處理完了那今年的呢沒講但是我們就是國際的網站一查就查出來嘛還有這麼多件除了東營島不是你的是地方政府或者漁業署的其他都是你的我覺得這個部分齁這個就主動積極你們倆\n\n24\n00:08:47,198 --> 00:09:09,860\n這個開會的過程要把這樣的一個案件尤其是涉到國際的一個工人而且有國際網站在評價我們特別注意另外有很多的權益傳權益傳我覺得也不斷在建議他說我們在澳洲的部分他就針對於說能夠在營業不善的部分甚至在\n\n25\n00:09:11,201 --> 00:09:27,308\n港口國有管制檢查記錄這些船隻他全部有記錄他要進港的時候就預先管制這個未來會不會朝這個方向來做修法之後會朝這個方向來做嗎修法部分這次已經納進來那如果他這個\n\n26\n00:09:29,789 --> 00:09:56,104\n我們我們現在在6月25號已經發布一個禁止進港的一個這個行政命令那這個是依照香港法第49條也就是說他在如果在我們的海域有這個時間到了裁判長站起來了那個但我希望能夠預先處理啦不然留下來都是我們工作人員我們包括你們的航港局港務公司後續的辛苦如果能夠預防是最好謝謝好\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3976\t18700\t好 謝謝主席很高興來到大聯盟今天擔任第四棒請我們陳部長我看今天都沒有上來陳部長然後我們航港局葉局長請葉局長\n22679\t51271\t因為今天開始讀秒了那我也快一點我想上個月跟運安會特別要了一些他們本身的一個業務報告其中看到一個數據就是針對於我們陸海空跟我們軌道鐵道的系列運輸工具他們運安會在針對於很多的一個不管是事故或者一些發生了一些問題的時候有提出相關的建議改善的一個建議列表\n52071\t71045\t我們特別有注意到 當然公路 水路跟公路數字都比較多那水路水路的等候回復90天以內跟處理中的最高有到目前為止還掛在那邊24件那列管中是17件那是不是這個\n72796\t100952\t部長你要不要先概略整體回答一下水路這個部分數字在運安會提出希望你們建議怎麼改善之後這樣的一個數字掛將正不正常是 報告委員如果是掛這麼高的數字當然是要檢討這個部分我們有特別會去做檢討那另外運安會成立到現在一一四年九月為止涉及航港局的這個建議改善的事項有七十九項\n101752\t118184\t那已經解除列管的有67項也就是說目前列管的剩下12項那目前是這個狀況跟港港局比較相關的但是委員所提出的這個數據我認為港港局要再更積極一點在尤其是安全面啦安全面我們真的要慎重一些\n118584\t134875\t好我想針對水路的部分當然分成兩類有屬於商港類的話還是屬於航港局也有一些水路是地方的漁船漁港的部分可能是屬於漁業署或者地方政府其他機關要改善的那我們待會會把它去掉\n135595\t159620\t但是相對的我是覺得是業務量大了好業務量看起來是蠻大的如果說在第一階段二十四件等候回覆處理中他的規定是九十天但我們現在發覺審計報告特別說你們來來回回的次數特別多啦所以說一直在寫了報告然後又不行你處理方式好像又不行這樣的來來去去的一個情況是\n161440\t185346\t可以講說是水路這個部分 航港局的部分我是覺得應該 是不是人力不夠我不太清楚那尤其列管中就沉入剛剛部長說的因為當發生一個問題我們的運安會他提出來一個專業的意見然後希望你們能夠落實去改善最終的改善又不是變成一個這個紙上的文書paperwork所以在你們\n187912\t210162\t當確實你的計畫他說OK了然後把它變成列管就你有實際的作為不管透過了表格人力或者實際的進場去這個改革完畢之後就列管會解除嘛那行政局我們葉局長你說一下好不好因為你列管的一個比例啊我們特別看到我們不要談比例了就是說其中最早的有2022年\n211983\t232592\t三月份的 到現在是三年半三年半喔 那它一開始列管那坦白講你也解決了不少件嘛那有一些像飲水人跟我們所有船舶進出港一些風險安全的蠻多的這個部分列管中這樣的一個效率是不是能夠再把它加強一下\n234044\t249214\t是 謝謝委員的這個這個催訓那跟委員報告現在列管的12項裡面最主要還是涉及法規的修正那因此呢所需要時間比較長那這邊涉及到飲水法我們的航路標示條例那還有這個\n250795\t271563\t相關的包括人力的調整我們現在把運安會的包括飲水航路標示條例這一些的修法都列為優先重要事項在列管我們的航路標示條例現在已經報佈在審議當中飲水法最遲在12月底前\n272083\t288631\t也都會報佈所以我們針對運安會的列管事項一向是列為最優先我們持續在管控我覺得列管要解決是你工作最重要的一個目標那這個部分我們特別看到17項\n289952\t315767\t的列管的一個部分當然有一些屬於地方政府的有一些屬於漁業署的或者甚至其他單位的但是有11到12項是屬於交通部跟航港局的這裡面因為有一些要修改法規的要到部裡面去也希望部長能夠全力的加快效率 好不好好 那第二個就是看到審議報告特別說這個部分其實我跟局長也特別說過我是有點憂心\n317128\t342784\t那為了你們強化港口進出管理的機制事實上港港局已經從你們建設基金撥了1.3億建置第二代的MTNET應該把它更完整更有效率然後不要有能夠可以講說品質整個提升但是審計部的一個報告的意見你也看到了現在也公開了他說但你這個系統他覺得似乎有點不太夠因為他認為你的審核標準\n344085\t358382\t不夠完備啦不利有效預防預防高風險的一個船舶進入那舉例說明他從108年到去年的11月統計有15艘三港的一個船隻被傳統遺棄\n360945\t380383\t被傳動儀器那這個部分其實在過去我們看到你自己自己的一個報告甚至港公司的報告都沒有提及這個問題發現這個問題呢事實上是ITF就是有一個國際運輸工人聯合會他們就統計嘛權益怎麼又因為船被\n381344\t395590\t儀器 那這個船員啊搞不好薪水領不到什麼也沒有嘛所以他們就是對於全世界的一個船隻都做一個統計所以統計到去年11月他發現了在航港局的港口航港局港口就有15艦\n397110\t425127\t15件 那時候我剛開始問你的時候其實你也沒有很清楚 還沒有很清楚好 但是我們最新問你謝謝你 你說這15件都解決完畢了嘛15件都已經促使船東處理完畢了 是不是是 報告員15件全部都處理完畢不是已經出港就是船舶都已經做了處理 拆解船舶怎麼處理 把它消滅掉還是怎樣拆解 那船員都已經這個協助返國\n426087\t454246\t好 那我們來看喔 這個是審計部提出來的一個報告那也謝謝啦 至少別人有提醒你馬上處理嘛 我覺得不錯但是我們這個三天之內 我們就請教你那請教呢 第一個回覆當然就是全部解決審計部的報告但第二個 我們就一直在問你說因為是到去年11月的嘛那到現在又快了10個月了那有沒有新生的案件在航港就列管列管在香港 呃 商港那你們說\n455327\t478289\t就是你們承辦人啊 不是你啊承辦人就說 目前沒有 全部都解決完畢了這個是這樣嗎 是這樣嗎當然我答案都寫在這裡嘛 是這樣嗎報告委員 我們現在跟港務公司有建立一個每個月兩次的一個清查機制就是在港內沒有 超過兩週沒有作業的傳播我們都會把它做一個清查\n478789\t499234\t那要如果不是合理的這個治港的這個原因我們會要求他移泊或盡快的離港那到10月31號為止並不是沒有治港的傳播目前統計所有的三港有33艘那這些主要的原因是等待整修或是港口國的這個管制檢查缺失\n500094\t524576\t那所以啊 我說 我要拜託你啦 就是說因為整個你是一個team啦 你是一個不管誰答都代表你啊我們問了兩次 沒有了 沒有了 15件都處理完了那今年的呢 沒講 但是我們就是國際的網站一查 就查出來嘛 還有這麼多件除了東營島不是你的 是地方政府或者漁業署的其他都是你的 我覺得這個部分齁這個就主動積極 你們倆\n527198\t549860\t這個開會的過程要把這樣的一個案件尤其是涉到國際的一個工人而且有國際網站在評價我們特別注意另外有很多的權益傳權益傳我覺得也不斷在建議他說我們在澳洲的部分他就針對於說能夠在營業不善的部分甚至在\n551201\t567308\t港口國有管制檢查記錄這些船隻他全部有記錄他要進港的時候就預先管制這個未來會不會朝這個方向來做修法之後會朝這個方向來做嗎修法部分這次已經納進來那如果他這個\n569789\t596104\t我們我們現在在6月25號已經發布一個禁止進港的一個這個行政命令那這個是依照香港法第49條也就是說他在如果在我們的海域有這個時間到了裁判長站起來了那個但我希望能夠預先處理啦不然留下來都是我們工作人員我們包括你們的航港局港務公司後續的辛苦如果能夠預防是最好謝謝好\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席很高興來到大聯盟今天擔任第四棒請我們陳部長我看今天都沒有上來陳部長然後我們航港局葉局長請葉局長\n因為今天開始讀秒了那我也快一點我想上個月跟運安會特別要了一些他們本身的一個業務報告其中看到一個數據就是針對於我們陸海空跟我們軌道鐵道的系列運輸工具他們運安會在針對於很多的一個不管是事故或者一些發生了一些問題的時候有提出相關的建議改善的一個建議列表\n我們特別有注意到 當然公路 水路跟公路數字都比較多那水路水路的等候回復90天以內跟處理中的最高有到目前為止還掛在那邊24件那列管中是17件那是不是這個\n部長你要不要先概略整體回答一下水路這個部分數字在運安會提出希望你們建議怎麼改善之後這樣的一個數字掛將正不正常是 報告委員如果是掛這麼高的數字當然是要檢討這個部分我們有特別會去做檢討那另外運安會成立到現在一一四年九月為止涉及航港局的這個建議改善的事項有七十九項\n那已經解除列管的有67項也就是說目前列管的剩下12項那目前是這個狀況跟港港局比較相關的但是委員所提出的這個數據我認為港港局要再更積極一點在尤其是安全面啦安全面我們真的要慎重一些\n好我想針對水路的部分當然分成兩類有屬於商港類的話還是屬於航港局也有一些水路是地方的漁船漁港的部分可能是屬於漁業署或者地方政府其他機關要改善的那我們待會會把它去掉\n但是相對的我是覺得是業務量大了好業務量看起來是蠻大的如果說在第一階段二十四件等候回覆處理中他的規定是九十天但我們現在發覺審計報告特別說你們來來回回的次數特別多啦所以說一直在寫了報告然後又不行你處理方式好像又不行這樣的來來去去的一個情況是\n可以講說是水路這個部分 航港局的部分我是覺得應該 是不是人力不夠我不太清楚那尤其列管中就沉入剛剛部長說的因為當發生一個問題我們的運安會他提出來一個專業的意見然後希望你們能夠落實去改善最終的改善又不是變成一個這個紙上的文書paperwork所以在你們\n當確實你的計畫他說OK了然後把它變成列管就你有實際的作為不管透過了表格人力或者實際的進場去這個改革完畢之後就列管會解除嘛那行政局我們葉局長你說一下好不好因為你列管的一個比例啊我們特別看到我們不要談比例了就是說其中最早的有2022年\n三月份的 到現在是三年半三年半喔 那它一開始列管那坦白講你也解決了不少件嘛那有一些像飲水人跟我們所有船舶進出港一些風險安全的蠻多的這個部分列管中這樣的一個效率是不是能夠再把它加強一下\n是 謝謝委員的這個這個催訓那跟委員報告現在列管的12項裡面最主要還是涉及法規的修正那因此呢所需要時間比較長那這邊涉及到飲水法我們的航路標示條例那還有這個\n相關的包括人力的調整我們現在把運安會的包括飲水航路標示條例這一些的修法都列為優先重要事項在列管我們的航路標示條例現在已經報佈在審議當中飲水法最遲在12月底前\n也都會報佈所以我們針對運安會的列管事項一向是列為最優先我們持續在管控我覺得列管要解決是你工作最重要的一個目標那這個部分我們特別看到17項\n的列管的一個部分當然有一些屬於地方政府的有一些屬於漁業署的或者甚至其他單位的但是有11到12項是屬於交通部跟航港局的這裡面因為有一些要修改法規的要到部裡面去也希望部長能夠全力的加快效率 好不好好 那第二個就是看到審議報告特別說這個部分其實我跟局長也特別說過我是有點憂心\n那為了你們強化港口進出管理的機制事實上港港局已經從你們建設基金撥了1.3億建置第二代的MTNET應該把它更完整更有效率然後不要有能夠可以講說品質整個提升但是審計部的一個報告的意見你也看到了現在也公開了他說但你這個系統他覺得似乎有點不太夠因為他認為你的審核標準\n不夠完備啦不利有效預防預防高風險的一個船舶進入那舉例說明他從108年到去年的11月統計有15艘三港的一個船隻被傳統遺棄\n被傳動儀器那這個部分其實在過去我們看到你自己自己的一個報告甚至港公司的報告都沒有提及這個問題發現這個問題呢事實上是ITF就是有一個國際運輸工人聯合會他們就統計嘛權益怎麼又因為船被\n儀器 那這個船員啊搞不好薪水領不到什麼也沒有嘛所以他們就是對於全世界的一個船隻都做一個統計所以統計到去年11月他發現了在航港局的港口航港局港口就有15艦\n15件 那時候我剛開始問你的時候其實你也沒有很清楚 還沒有很清楚好 但是我們最新問你謝謝你 你說這15件都解決完畢了嘛15件都已經促使船東處理完畢了 是不是是 報告員15件全部都處理完畢不是已經出港就是船舶都已經做了處理 拆解船舶怎麼處理 把它消滅掉還是怎樣拆解 那船員都已經這個協助返國\n好 那我們來看喔 這個是審計部提出來的一個報告那也謝謝啦 至少別人有提醒你馬上處理嘛 我覺得不錯但是我們這個三天之內 我們就請教你那請教呢 第一個回覆當然就是全部解決審計部的報告但第二個 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