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00:01:47,012\n對因為這個事實上整個移除的經費非常所以這個保險公司之前聽局長說也是算蠻守規矩的保險公司有盡到他們的責任跟義務那局長之前好像有聽您有提過未來所有我們關聯的船隻我們原本都要求他必須要有保險對不對那未來都會請不是\n\n6\n00:01:47,893 --> 00:02:08,119\n未來就是不是只有針對有保險這件事情而是也是要針對他們的保險公司或許他保險公司可能有一個評級的一個評鑑等等的我們也都會來做保險公司的要求來符合後續如果說真的有意外發生的時候也都能夠像這一次這樣子的圓滿那保險公司付其他的責任而不是有些可能保險公司他可能是一個咳嗽前任出事的時候不處理這樣子\n\n7\n00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:22,128\n是謝謝委員這個垂詢那我們在今年的10月15號已經開始實施這個保險的新制那過去我們從111年的9月開始委託專業的保險顧問來進行實質的審查但是我們認為這樣發現這幾年來的經驗發現還不夠那對於這個城堡的保險公司還是要進一步確認他是屢約的能力\n\n8\n00:02:36,078 --> 00:02:52,085\n有離約能力的那我們10月15號開始實施這個新制就是要求是經過國際性評機構評等為TripleB以上的保險公司才可以來受我們進港傳播的這個城堡的保險公司即刻生效嗎還是會有緩衝期\n\n9\n00:02:53,325 --> 00:03:09,916\n已經即刻報告委員因為我們宣導了非常久我們從年初就開始宣導溝通所以本來是7月份要實施那因為有部分的行商他們需要緩通的時間所以延長了三個月那我們現在10月15號開始實施\n\n10\n00:03:11,437 --> 00:03:28,487\n所以確定我們所有的船舶都是剛剛你講的以上的一個現在就是以今年統的統計10月份以前的進港船舶已經有97%都是投保以上的保險公司只有3%大概121艘\n\n11\n00:03:30,468 --> 00:03:55,743\n是還沒有轉到這個TripleB的那這個部分他們因為現在都沒有進港所以目前也沒有抵觸我們這個公告新的規定的情形那我們會盡量輔導他們去投保這個合規的保險公司避免以後萬一有海事案件發生不能賠償的情形好謝謝喔好那就您就先休息那就部長這個陳部長抱歉抱歉部長\n\n12\n00:04:01,049 --> 00:04:27,247\n副長好副長好剩下的一些時間我想跟你討論一下行人通行安全的問題今天只有你來所以你要獨挑大樑我們做一些討論而已就是我們應該是內政部的規定對於所有的人行道都有禁寬的限制大概就是1米5如果說真的不行的那就是90我們不要性行人行道也是一樣的一個參照內政部的規範嗎\n\n13\n00:04:28,107 --> 00:04:49,679\n還是說我們標新人行道他是有另外的規定這個部分的規範都在內政部標新人行道的規範也在內政部因為我們實際上我想這個部長你也當過議員嘛對不對我也當過議員那有些地方的道路的情況非常的多元有時候想想你也不知道為什麼當初會是這個\n\n14\n00:04:50,780 --> 00:05:00,311\n這個樣子但是我們後續要來提升行人安全的時候他常常有時候他的背景條件他可能沒有辦法做到醫務他可能沒有辦法做到90但是\n\n15\n00:05:01,704 --> 00:05:29,607\n我們在做討論的時候這個一些基層的同仁他們可能就會反應說因為我們如果說我們要來做人的行動他就做不了嘛因為他怕說沒有符合規範的話那就就可能會被未來會被民眾投訴或是產生國賠之類的一些問題但是反而就變成問題就擱置在這一邊或許我們會認為說以這個從化區來講的話我們當然說希望他所有的一個標準都是要必須符合1米5這樣子的一個規範嘛對不對這個是在\n\n16\n00:05:31,508 --> 00:05:56,679\n客觀的但是有時候老舊的一些巷弄甚至他可能不是計劃道路他就只是當初建築留下來的法控的一些繼承道路嘛他可能畫不出來這麼多的空間但是當你畫不出來的時候難道就不畫嗎或者是說他中間有一根電桿他或許沒有地方一致的影響到他的徑寬整條路可能100米中間有一兩根電桿那影響到他沒有辦法整條徑寬都符合90公分以上這樣的規範就變成說\n\n17\n00:05:59,146 --> 00:06:19,673\n寧願沒有因為他沒有辦法符合規範我們就寧願沒有我們就不去動他我覺得這樣對行人的保障其實也不是太正面的一些事情那對於這樣子的一些狀況部長你個人的一些看法呢委員有提出這樣的問題確實有些舊的市區那個巷道非常狹窄所以不太容易找到這樣子的空間\n\n18\n00:06:20,493 --> 00:06:41,697\n那我會覺得如果地方上可以想出一些變通的方案即便是那個可能電線感那個地方沒辦法化但前後有那行人過去閃一下或許有這個樣的機會那這個部分就法歸面怎麼讓基層的公務人員可以比較好去做這個我們想辦法我們知道做一定比較好\n\n19\n00:06:41,837 --> 00:07:05,876\n但是做了可能沒有辦法符合法規那就變成說進退為難了我們大概會找內政部大家一起來商量還有地方政府最近也會跟地方政府的一些交通首長大家會有開會那我們來就這個議題我們來討論應該是做一些討論就是說我們能夠符合法規我們一定要求政府機關做的東西一定要符合法規行人通行優先但是當我們做不到的時候\n\n20\n00:07:06,516 --> 00:07:27,051\n不是因為法規的關係我們就擱置在那邊而是說我們知道法規在這邊但是因為客觀條件達不到但是我們還是要維護行人通行人安全嘛那我們還可以做怎樣子的一個規劃跟妥協我覺得應該要授權地方在規劃的時候有一些指引那授權他們有去做一些因地制宜的一些規劃好不好我們來討論一個變通的方案好再麻煩局長麻煩部長麻煩謝謝主席謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3869\t6194\t謝謝主席不好意思還是要請韓港局長我們速戰速決\n14098\t33056\t學長好 這個野柳割淺的這個案子先謝謝我們同仁這件案子雖然圓滿的結束了也沒有對當地的海洋造成污染雖然說時程大家可能會認為久了一點但其實這樣也沒有造成什麼實際的損害那這件事情包括後續的球場目前我們韓港局的球場也都順利嗎\n34313\t55479\t因為整個的這個處置包括抽油跟船體的移儲都是由傳東的保險公司PMI來做處置所以這個部分這個工部門基本上都沒有出到費用但是緊急應變的部分緊急應變的部分我們有先動員了\n58340\t85036\t這個豐電的這個DP船那到現場先來做這個重機具的吊掛那這部分我們還在跟這個船東在正在協商當中OK那這個保險公司也有一起 目前並沒有排斥這個給付這個費用那但是對這個給付的項目跟細節還還在跟我們溝通 所以大宗的原則上保險公司都是直接他們直接支付也沒有請我們代收代付了沒有沒有 直接處理了\n85576\t107012\t對因為這個事實上整個移除的經費非常所以這個保險公司之前聽局長說也是算蠻守規矩的保險公司有盡到他們的責任跟義務那局長之前好像有聽您有提過未來所有我們關聯的船隻我們原本都要求他必須要有保險對不對那未來都會請不是\n107893\t128119\t未來就是不是只有針對有保險這件事情而是也是要針對他們的保險公司或許他保險公司可能有一個評級的一個評鑑等等的我們也都會來做保險公司的要求來符合後續如果說真的有意外發生的時候也都能夠像這一次這樣子的圓滿那保險公司付其他的責任而不是有些可能保險公司他可能是一個咳嗽前任出事的時候不處理這樣子\n130080\t142128\t是 謝謝委員這個垂詢 那我們在今年的10月15號已經開始實施這個保險的新制那過去我們從111年的9月開始委託專業的保險顧問來進行實質的審查但是我們認為這樣發現這幾年來的經驗發現還不夠那對於這個城堡的保險公司還是要進一步確認他是屢約的能力\n156078\t172085\t有離約能力的那我們10月15號開始實施這個新制就是要求是經過國際性評機構評等為Triple B以上的保險公司才可以來受我們進港傳播的這個城堡的保險公司即刻生效嗎還是會有緩衝期\n173325\t189916\t已經即刻 報告委員因為我們宣導了非常久我們從年初就開始宣導溝通所以本來是7月份要實施那因為有部分的行商他們需要緩通的時間所以延長了三個月那我們現在10月15號開始實施\n191437\t208487\t所以確定我們所有的船舶都是剛剛你講的以上的一個現在就是以今年統的統計10月份以前的進港船舶已經有97%都是投保以上的保險公司只有3%大概121艘\n210468\t235743\t是還沒有轉到這個Triple B的 那這個部分他們因為現在都沒有進港所以目前也沒有抵觸我們這個公告新的規定的情形 那我們會盡量輔導他們去投保這個合規的保險公司 避免以後萬一有海事案件發生不能賠償的情形 好 謝謝喔好 那就您就先休息那就部長 這個陳部長抱歉抱歉 部長\n241049\t267247\t副長好副長好剩下的一些時間我想跟你討論一下行人通行安全的問題今天只有你來所以你要獨挑大樑我們做一些討論而已就是我們應該是內政部的規定對於所有的人行道都有禁寬的限制大概就是1米5如果說真的不行的那就是90我們不要性行人行道也是一樣的一個參照內政部的規範嗎\n268107\t289679\t還是說我們標新人行道他是有另外的規定這個部分的規範都在內政部標新人行道的規範也在內政部因為我們實際上我想這個部長你也當過議員嘛對不對我也當過議員那有些地方的道路的情況非常的多元有時候想想你也不知道為什麼當初會是這個\n290780\t300311\t這個樣子但是我們後續要來提升行人安全的時候他常常有時候他的背景條件他可能沒有辦法做到醫務他可能沒有辦法做到90但是\n301704\t329607\t我們在做討論的時候這個一些基層的同仁他們可能就會反應說因為我們如果說我們要來做人的行動他就做不了嘛因為他怕說沒有符合規範的話那就就可能會被未來會被民眾投訴或是產生國賠之類的一些問題但是反而就變成問題就擱置在這一邊或許我們會認為說以這個從化區來講的話我們當然說希望他所有的一個標準都是要必須符合1米5這樣子的一個規範嘛對不對這個是在\n331508\t356679\t客觀的但是有時候老舊的一些巷弄甚至他可能不是計劃道路他就只是當初建築留下來的法控的一些繼承道路嘛他可能畫不出來這麼多的空間但是當你畫不出來的時候難道就不畫嗎或者是說他中間有一根電桿他或許沒有地方一致的影響到他的徑寬整條路可能100米中間有一兩根電桿那影響到他沒有辦法整條徑寬都符合90公分以上這樣的規範就變成說\n359146\t379673\t寧願沒有因為他沒有辦法符合規範我們就寧願沒有我們就不去動他我覺得這樣對行人的保障其實也不是太正面的一些事情那對於這樣子的一些狀況部長你個人的一些看法呢委員有提出這樣的問題確實有些舊的市區那個巷道非常狹窄所以不太容易找到這樣子的空間\n380493\t401697\t那我會覺得如果地方上可以想出一些變通的方案即便是那個可能電線感那個地方沒辦法化但前後有那行人過去閃一下或許有這個樣的機會那這個部分就法歸面怎麼讓基層的公務人員可以比較好去做這個我們想辦法我們知道做一定比較好\n401837\t425876\t但是做了可能沒有辦法符合法規那就變成說進退為難了我們大概會找內政部大家一起來商量還有地方政府最近也會跟地方政府的一些交通首長大家會有開會那我們來就這個議題我們來討論應該是做一些討論就是說我們能夠符合法規我們一定要求政府機關做的東西一定要符合法規行人通行優先但是當我們做不到的時候\n426516\t447051\t不是因為法規的關係我們就擱置在那邊而是說我們知道法規在這邊但是因為客觀條件達不到但是我們還是要維護行人通行人安全嘛那我們還可以做怎樣子的一個規劃跟妥協我覺得應該要授權地方在規劃的時候有一些指引那授權他們有去做一些因地制宜的一些規劃好不好我們來討論一個變通的方案好再麻煩局長麻煩部長麻煩謝謝主席謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席不好意思還是要請韓港局長我們速戰速決\n學長好 這個野柳割淺的這個案子先謝謝我們同仁這件案子雖然圓滿的結束了也沒有對當地的海洋造成污染雖然說時程大家可能會認為久了一點但其實這樣也沒有造成什麼實際的損害那這件事情包括後續的球場目前我們韓港局的球場也都順利嗎\n因為整個的這個處置包括抽油跟船體的移儲都是由傳東的保險公司PMI來做處置所以這個部分這個工部門基本上都沒有出到費用但是緊急應變的部分緊急應變的部分我們有先動員了\n這個豐電的這個DP船那到現場先來做這個重機具的吊掛那這部分我們還在跟這個船東在正在協商當中OK那這個保險公司也有一起 目前並沒有排斥這個給付這個費用那但是對這個給付的項目跟細節還還在跟我們溝通 所以大宗的原則上保險公司都是直接他們直接支付也沒有請我們代收代付了沒有沒有 直接處理了\n對因為這個事實上整個移除的經費非常所以這個保險公司之前聽局長說也是算蠻守規矩的保險公司有盡到他們的責任跟義務那局長之前好像有聽您有提過未來所有我們關聯的船隻我們原本都要求他必須要有保險對不對那未來都會請不是\n未來就是不是只有針對有保險這件事情而是也是要針對他們的保險公司或許他保險公司可能有一個評級的一個評鑑等等的我們也都會來做保險公司的要求來符合後續如果說真的有意外發生的時候也都能夠像這一次這樣子的圓滿那保險公司付其他的責任而不是有些可能保險公司他可能是一個咳嗽前任出事的時候不處理這樣子\n是 謝謝委員這個垂詢 那我們在今年的10月15號已經開始實施這個保險的新制那過去我們從111年的9月開始委託專業的保險顧問來進行實質的審查但是我們認為這樣發現這幾年來的經驗發現還不夠那對於這個城堡的保險公司還是要進一步確認他是屢約的能力\n有離約能力的那我們10月15號開始實施這個新制就是要求是經過國際性評機構評等為Triple B以上的保險公司才可以來受我們進港傳播的這個城堡的保險公司即刻生效嗎還是會有緩衝期\n已經即刻 報告委員因為我們宣導了非常久我們從年初就開始宣導溝通所以本來是7月份要實施那因為有部分的行商他們需要緩通的時間所以延長了三個月那我們現在10月15號開始實施\n所以確定我們所有的船舶都是剛剛你講的以上的一個現在就是以今年統的統計10月份以前的進港船舶已經有97%都是投保以上的保險公司只有3%大概121艘\n是還沒有轉到這個Triple B的 那這個部分他們因為現在都沒有進港所以目前也沒有抵觸我們這個公告新的規定的情形 那我們會盡量輔導他們去投保這個合規的保險公司 避免以後萬一有海事案件發生不能賠償的情形 好 謝謝喔好 那就您就先休息那就部長 這個陳部長抱歉抱歉 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