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00:00:13,467\n好謝謝主席我請我們NCC主秘以及我們交通部陳部長黃恩哲主秘陳部長\n\n2\n00:00:21,092 --> 00:00:36,568\n好我今天主要討論的是我們國內電信現在這個有關於司機吃到飽逐漸被下架中那當然因為我們焦木也是中華電信的大股東所以我一併要請教就教於部長那祖密\n\n3\n00:00:37,529 --> 00:01:06,689\n我們現在呢國內電信他們已經賣入5G所以也確實在市場裡面已經開始有一些5G吃到飽的他的產品可是因為5G吃到飽非常非常的貴非常貴所以很多很多的消費者呢其實還是在資費方面他們還是選擇4G或者是包含有一些專案或者4G吃到飽的專案因為這次中間價格差到兩三倍之多\n\n4\n00:01:07,729 --> 00:01:29,634\n而且他們也覺得有關於4G現在的服務量他們也可以滿足可是從今年下半年開始我們國內的電信公司陸陸續續用一些技術上的比如說他在他的通訊行現在很多的其實很多的消費者到通訊行去購買\n\n5\n00:01:31,454 --> 00:01:59,773\n那麼可能你就說沒有沒有4G而且很多4G吃到飽的方案尤其是比較便宜的方案都被直接下架那你可以看到像這個我們在在網路上都可以看到比如說現在遠傳的某個這個門市就告訴你4G699吃到飽全台即將停售或者是呢一些通訊行說哎呀現在只有倒數幾天大家要買趕快\n\n6\n00:02:01,734 --> 00:02:27,147\n所以現在的問題就是說大家擔心的是像遠傳台灣大都是這些大型的這個電信業者那慢慢他們開始停止這些銷售據點而且或者是增加你申辦的門檻你要到比較遠的地方或者比較少你必須到他的直營門市你才買得到所以這恐怕會有一個聯合壟斷下架的狀況\n\n7\n00:02:29,528 --> 00:02:46,834\n那目前是兩大電信公司已經實施到現在大家最觀望的最關心的就是市場傳言中華電信也會跟進中華電信如果一旦跟進的話老師說我會立刻到公平會去告他們有聯合壟斷行為\n\n8\n00:02:48,715 --> 00:03:09,183\n因為這就是幾大這已經已經在市場的市佔率已經相當大了好所以呢我在這邊呢是相嫌請教這個我們的這個NCC的主密你們現在有沒有已經了解或者注意到這個問題那有沒有一些因應的措施怎麼樣去可以保障消費者的權益消費者仍然可以在4G跟5G中間選擇才對啊\n\n9\n00:03:11,684 --> 00:03:30,239\n是那個剛委員報告您在說的那個五級資費比較貴的有一部分的事實是因為啊那個他的資費綁手機啊所以他貴在那個手機的部分那至於說委員在講的是說第一個目前也還沒有所謂的壟斷聯合壟斷的那樣一件事情不過確實他們如果假設真的有他的資費方案呢用\n\n10\n00:03:31,340 --> 00:03:41,865\n用委員所說的這種啊勸導啊或什麼這種方式這個我們會去了解那原則上各式各樣的資費其實目前都還沒有我先講啊主秘你講說沒有聯合壟斷行為我真的覺得你在幫業者說話那剛才我們在講說4G跟5G你無感啦對不對你覺得這個它的服務量因為有很多5G然後自動就降流變成4G那至於說沒有壟斷的行為來我們來看下一個\n\n11\n00:03:58,593 --> 00:04:04,700\n我剛才說啊四季赤道堡還可以看得到在市場上他們還會有一些價格的變化有的是499有的是588等等之類的可是啊可是我可以告訴你現在我們國內主要沖繩業者五季赤道堡價格是統一的\n\n12\n00:04:19,878 --> 00:04:40,831\n一律就是24個月1399這其實已經有聯合壟斷的行為了事實上你現在如果去弄5G吃到飽24個月只有單一價格可選如果是4G的話4G吃到飽你還可以有其他的價格可選所以這確實已經有涉及聯合行為\n\n13\n00:04:41,491 --> 00:04:56,351\n我們現在只是關心的因為你如果有四季可以選擇你五季吃到飽你單一那我們還覺得反正消費者還可以有其他的選擇如果你四季都沒有了然後因為全部都慢慢轉成五季那大家就只好選擇同一個同一個非常貴的價格\n\n14\n00:04:57,452 --> 00:05:07,265\n所以我要請這個NCC請站在消費者立場而不是在業者立場你看展地界說他們沒有聯合行為我告訴你價格就是一樣啊對不對好然後因為我的時間關係我想請那個部長\n\n15\n00:05:13,032 --> 00:05:28,300\n因為中華電信我們現在就說市場現在最關心的就中華電信會不會跟進一旦跟進的話這真的就變成這個對這個所有這個4G的現在使用戶現在還高達全台高達1700萬戶以上\n\n16\n00:05:31,261 --> 00:05:58,485\n還高達1700萬戶以上使用的人還是很多但是你看到業者陸陸續續就在下架這些四季之廢的相關的這個產品那所以我想請問一下中華電信的部分你這邊因為我在這邊直接用質詢讓你知道這個事情是不是你也可以多關心一下希望中華電信不要全面的跟進全面的跟進對於這些四季使用的用戶來講我覺得對消費者是不利的\n\n17\n00:05:59,652 --> 00:06:17,726\n向委員報告目前中華電信沒有來跟我說市區要停的這件事情目前沒有報告他不是全面但是他就開始給你門檻通訊橫下架然後很多就慢慢你只能到他的直營商只能到網路但你說這還是可以可是他已經增加你購買的難度了\n\n18\n00:06:18,647 --> 00:06:32,346\n第二點就是說目前它我看它4G的各種資費也都還在但第三點委員剛剛所提醒的這一點我回去趕快跟中華電信這邊了解一下盡量我們要站在消費者的立場來思考這件事情好這一點就是說我一定要在這裡\n\n19\n00:06:34,188 --> 00:06:59,477\n來跟那個部長來做這個反應那我希望就是以現在雖然已經到5G的產品可是老師說現在很多消費者他們還是比較prefer還是比較他能夠繼續去使用4G他覺得這個是符合他的需求這個比例是很高的那我們就應該繼續去提供消費者這樣相關的產品好不好好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2674\t13467\t好 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對不對你覺得這個它的服務量因為有很多5G然後自動就降流變成4G那至於說沒有壟斷的行為來 我們來看下一個\n我剛才說啊四季赤道堡還可以看得到在市場上他們還會有一些價格的變化有的是499有的是588等等之類的可是啊可是我可以告訴你現在我們國內主要沖繩業者五季赤道堡價格是統一的\n一律就是24個月1399這其實已經有聯合壟斷的行為了事實上你現在如果去弄5G吃到飽24個月只有單一價格可選如果是4G的話4G吃到飽你還可以有其他的價格可選所以這確實已經有涉及聯合行為\n我們現在只是關心的因為你如果有四季可以選擇你五季吃到飽你單一那我們還覺得反正消費者還可以有其他的選擇如果你四季都沒有了然後因為全部都慢慢轉成五季那大家就只好選擇同一個同一個非常貴的價格\n所以我要請這個NCC請站在消費者立場而不是在業者立場你看展地界說他們沒有聯合行為我告訴你價格就是一樣啊對不對好然後因為我的時間關係我想請那個部長\n因為中華電信我們現在就說市場現在最關心的就中華電信會不會跟進一旦跟進的話這真的就變成這個對這個所有這個4G的現在使用戶現在還高達全台高達1700萬戶以上\n還高達1700萬戶以上 使用的人還是很多但是你看到業者陸陸續續就在下架這些四季之廢的相關的這個產品那所以我想請問一下中華電信的部分你這邊 因為我在這邊直接用質詢讓你知道這個事情是不是你也可以多關心一下希望中華電信不要全面的跟進 全面的跟進對於這些四季使用的用戶來講我覺得對消費者是不利的\n向委員報告目前中華電信沒有來跟我說市區要停的這件事情目前沒有報告他不是全面但是他就開始給你門檻通訊橫下架然後很多就慢慢你只能到他的直營商只能到網路但你說這還是可以可是他已經增加你購買的難度了\n第二點就是說目前它我看它4G的各種資費也都還在但第三點委員剛剛所提醒的這一點我回去趕快跟中華電信這邊了解一下盡量我們要站在消費者的立場來思考這件事情好 這一點就是說我一定要在這裡\n來跟那個部長來做這個反應那我希望就是以現在雖然已經到5G的產品可是老師說現在很多消費者他們還是比較prefer還是比較他能夠繼續去使用4G他覺得這個是符合他的需求這個比例是很高的那我們就應該繼續去提供消費者這樣相關的產品好不好好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.674 --> 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Tahovecahe 等16人、(五)委員羅美玲等19人、(六)委員黃捷等21人、(七)委員邱鎮軍\n等21人、(八)委員吳沛憶等16人、(九)委員林楚茵等17人、(十)委員沈伯洋等18人、(十一)委員\n蔡易餘等17人、(十二)委員郭昱晴等16人分別擬具「電信管理法第七十二條條文修正草案」案及\n(十三)委員林宜瑾等22人擬具「電信管理法增訂第七十二條之二條文草案」案；二、審查(一)行\n政院函請審議、 ( 二 ) 委員王美惠等 19 人、 ( 三 ) 委員李坤城等 17 人、 ( 四 ) 委員伍麗華 Saidhai\nTahovecahe 等16人、(五)委員黃捷等22人、(六)委員吳沛憶等16人、(七)委員林楚茵等17人、\n(八)委員沈伯洋等18人、(九)委員蔡易餘等16人及(十)委員郭昱晴等16人分別擬具「氣象法第二\n十一條之一條文修正草案」案；三、審查(一)行政院函請審議、(二)委員王美惠等20人、(三)委\n員李坤城等18人、(四)委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等16人、(五)委員羅美玲等19人、(六)\n委員黃捷等22 人、( 七) 委員邱鎮軍等23 人、( 八) 委員吳沛憶等16 人、( 九) 委員林楚茵等17 人、\n(十)委員沈伯洋等19人、(十一)委員蔡易餘等16人及(十二)委員郭昱晴等16人分別擬具「商港法\n第十五條及第六十五條之四條文修正草案」案；四、審查(一)行政院函請審議、(二)委員蔡其昌\n等 22 人 、 ( 三 ) 委 員 王 美 惠 等 21 人 、 ( 四 ) 委 員 李 坤 城 等 18 人 、 ( 五 ) 委 員 伍 麗 華 Saidhai\nTahovecahe 等16人、(六)委員黃捷等16人、(七)委員徐富癸等16人、(八)委員吳沛憶等16人、\n(九)委員林楚茵等17人、(十)委員沈伯洋等19人、(十一)委員蔡易餘等17人、(十二)委員郭昱晴\n等16人分別擬具「船舶法部分條文修正草案」案及(十三)委員蘇巧慧等18人擬具「船舶法第八條\n及第八十九條條文修正草案」案【本日會議僅進行詢答】","agenda_id":"1149201_00006"}}}