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00:04:27,127\n地點可能就要由地方政府來協助找那可能相對這人員稀少那還有就是說有一些回饋機制嘛可是我覺得重點還是在於是中央的計畫要出來當中央的計畫有出來願意要做這件事情因為其實我們在這一次廚餘的這個非洲豬瘟在爆發之後大家也都看到真的你說養豬使用廚餘的部分其實占不到10%\n\n13\n00:04:30,713 --> 00:04:38,816\n養豬再用廚藝很高6成整個6成你說總體的6成就是豬大概8%而已豬吃廚藝就8%豬吃廚藝8%嘛8%吃掉我們台灣所有廚藝的6成\n\n14\n00:04:46,019 --> 00:05:02,156\n是那但是本席也看到了這個有所謂的一個盤點你們環境部這邊來做一個廚餘的盤點其實每天要處理的廚餘的數量其實還是有幾百公噸的一個缺口也因此才會要去做這個焚化嘛是\n\n15\n00:05:04,779 --> 00:05:33,219\n那現在即便是依照過去的狀況都還有500噸那如果說在這一次過去之後大家也都有期待就是那我們能不能說往更前面邁進那就變成是說你每天至少有上千噸的廚餘其實是要處理的那怎麼樣把這一些資源循環再利用我覺得這就變成是說環境部就要有一個上位計畫出來跟地方政府來溝通那以及你要編列相關的預算來才有辦法做進一步的運行嘛\n\n16\n00:05:33,959 --> 00:05:53,135\n對現在就在做這個事情我們已經在跟地方政府在溝通因為每個地方政府都遇到廚藥去化的挑戰啦有的縣市沒有問題有的縣市是挑戰所以我們現在就是說我們是不是到底要兩年或三年我們的廚藥去化可以得到一個更好的解決我們正在規劃當中也希望趕快對外公布部長什麼時候計畫可以出來\n\n17\n00:05:53,935 --> 00:06:10,705\n因為現在還在因為其實這個廚餘的產生其實也跟人口數有息息相關嘛對一定是人口數地方大都會一定相對產生的廚餘會比較多嘛是這也沒有辦法這就是你要居住你要食用你就會有這樣的一個狀況但我們要怎麼樣面對問題解決問題所以我以為這有兩個問題一個是我們的養豬場的廚餘什麼時候轉型一個是我們的這個量能什麼時候夠這兩邊是一個動態式\n\n18\n00:06:20,111 --> 00:06:37,391\n在處理那我們是希望未來是不是有一個落日的時間但是這個時間我們的還沒有辦法馬上的去算出來因為這個算出來之後要去執行也需要地方來配合地方政府來配合所以我們現在都在研究在討論當中希望趕快可以有等於是說你自己目標會希望\n\n19\n00:06:38,912 --> 00:06:57,172\n我們是希望或許是年底之前有一個更好的一個方案出來但是這個還是要找到地方因為那個地方還是要設置設置還是要地方政府願意扛下來我們來一起合作來做是啦部長但是本席現在提了因為你看明年環境部的預算已經編列了是是沒有把這個計畫放進來嗎沒有沒有這都新的東西\n\n20\n00:06:58,173 --> 00:07:24,988\n對所以說即便是你兩個月以內能夠有初步的草案計畫來找地方政府來溝通那你也真的要落實或說真的要執行也可能要到後年以後你才有辦法用這樣的一個方案來去請地方政府共同配合嘛但不管怎麼樣這條路如果說確實要做的話該溝通的成本以及該要去做的部分總是要先起頭也因此你剛剛有提到今年年底可能這個方案可以出來然後再找地方政府來溝通\n\n21\n00:07:25,848 --> 00:07:53,230\n如果說有意願配合的部分可以再加速進行但是編列明年環境部的預算後年開始執行報告委員因為這個如果要設置現在很少有政府完全獨立出資一定會用一些促餐的一個方式來做處理那促餐的話我們政府負擔的費用就會少一點所以這個目前都在規劃當中那我們的當然是希望能夠多一點預算會比較好做是會比較快所以這個部分到時候也希望委員可以支持\n\n22\n00:07:53,410 --> 00:08:17,363\n因為公部門要做事就兩件事嘛要嘛是單位誰負責要嘛就是預算有沒有編列嘛沒有單位誰負責沒有預算編列你跟我講要做都是假的是不是也因此本期才是從一開始2017年有一個五年計畫一直延伸到現在那是不是要再針對這個部分要再做另外一個不管是三年計畫五年計畫但你總是要把方案提出來大家才可以共同討論\n\n23\n00:08:18,123 --> 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