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00:02:08,195\n跟委員報告未來五年如果再減免我們新北會稅損大概38億38億對我們是希望說由中央能源相關主管機關不管是經濟部的能源發展基金還是環境部的溫室氣體管理基金如果再不足就是公務預算編列撥補基金也可以\n\n7\n00:02:08,615 --> 00:02:27,504\n好所以其實地方上38億其實對中央可能是九牛一毛好那對不起時間暫停一下我也請我們台北市我們台北市今天是副局長來好時間暫停請台北市商務局長商業委員會商務局長好那我們台北市的稅收損失是多少呢\n\n8\n00:02:28,659 --> 00:02:51,966\n跟一座报告一下我们如果是接下来在延长大概5年的时间我们目前这边推算大概可能会有到88亿的情况但是因为这还是要看整体的整个在未来5年整体的那个电动车成长的幅度以及推估的方式对没有错当然其实如果电动车越多那相对的税损会越高这是必然的哈\n\n9\n00:02:52,586 --> 00:03:03,396\n那因為時間關係我就不一一請個因為我們還有台中桃園台南那時間暫停一下兩位局長先可以請回謝謝當然我們其他我們桃園台南或者是台中如果要給我們相關數字我們也會非常歡迎所以局長不對部長\n\n10\n00:03:21,090 --> 00:03:44,186\n哪怪你不動如山部長就有關於這個這個政策大家都支持但是他的稅收損失會集中在這六都越是都會區越會使用這個就電動車的他的稅收損失越大你可以看得出來其實對地方政府來講台北市88億稅損新北市38億稅損其實對他們來講都是都是會肉痛的都肉痛的\n\n11\n00:03:51,130 --> 00:03:55,254\n你看光是新秀就是輝達的那塊T17、18大家來會再講它的權利金也不過不到40億3、4億左右就來來回回談那麼久\n\n12\n00:04:06,683 --> 00:04:22,588\n所以這個牌照稅未來有沒有可能就是我們也來做一個協調就如同剛才陳局長說的比如說我們透過什麼農園發展基金或者是其他的相關的基金裡面對地方給予相關的補貼跟分攤\n\n13\n00:04:25,103 --> 00:04:40,271\n我想剛剛也好幾位委員都提出這樣的一個意見那我們那個環境部還有那個交通部還有經濟部他們都說他有關相關基金的部分是未來要做有關補貼部分他們帶回去研議\n\n14\n00:04:42,572 --> 00:05:08,688\n那另外时间有限那请教因为我们有关于台美贸易谈判照理讲应该接近尾声因为赖总统告诉我们很快就有好消息只是我们现在的好消息到现在为止还不知道那我曾经问过经济部长因为大家一般认为我们对于美制的汽车进口关税会是一个重点那会不会\n\n15\n00:05:09,989 --> 00:05:27,201\n最后我们对美国进口的汽车关税降到0那我想请问以部长来说就是我们如果把美制的汽车进口关税降至0对税损的部分会有很大影响吗\n\n16\n00:05:29,482 --> 00:05:35,547\n根據我們大概算過是44億44億嘛44億應該是在可應該絕對是可容忍的範圍嘛對不對我就說就你們稅損的評估來說目前來說談判還在進行當中\n\n17\n00:05:47,042 --> 00:05:49,144\n對因為經濟部長他考慮到的是產業產業的影響你財政部長考慮的就是稅收的影響44億是可容忍的範圍嗎44億目前當然還要看其他的項目整體來看\n\n18\n00:06:03,578 --> 00:06:19,959\n好那另外一个我比较关心在去年我应该去年我也有问过对消费者来讲非常关心的两大关税一个就是汽车当然还有所谓的烟瓶还有保健食品最主要是保健食品\n\n19\n00:06:20,580 --> 00:06:44,893\n那保健食品呢因為我們跟其他國家的進口關稅稅率我們確實偏高那麼台灣高達30%那這個比其他國家或東南亞國家都要偏高所以使得很多人到美國是一定要去買保健食品的那請問一下保健食品的進口關稅是不是可以調降\n\n20\n00:06:46,842 --> 00:07:01,636\n第一個在台美談判裡面保健食品談判的稅率是多少當然還在討論當中那經濟部的產發署也有提出有關保健食品調降關稅的一些方案已經有提出來了好那時間暫停正好產發署有來嘛是不是邱署長經濟部產發署邱署長\n\n21\n00:07:08,308 --> 00:07:26,574\n好署長這個是很多消費者非常關心的就是這個進口保健食品30%太高了可不可以調降或者是調降到零或者是至少可以調降到跟其他至少你可以要跟亞洲國家差不多吧報告委員就是現在經濟部跟財政部已經在啟動一個調降保健食品的這樣的一個關稅\n\n22\n00:07:37,089 --> 00:07:57,604\n的一个过程因为这牵涉到对消费者来讲的话应该要给他们更多的好处优惠另外的话就是产业的发展所以我们现在是正在开会协调是不是能够降到一个大家可以接受的数字兼顾到消费者的利益以及产业的发展所以降一半是合理范围吧\n\n23\n00:07:58,877 --> 00:08:15,322\n這個也是一個考慮的方向好因為如果降一半的話就跟日本差不多那降一半之後還有可能再往下降嗎如果跟韓國比的話如果說要再往下降的話也可以考慮用比較階段性的這樣的方式來調降也是一種可以考慮的方向\n\n24\n00:08:16,058 --> 00:08:42,644\n用階段性但階段性可能要有一個期限對不對所以這樣50%是絕對可以看到的是一個可以討論的方向是可以討論的方向我知道你不會告訴我現在詳細的稅率但是我們希望能夠知道這個是往這個方向因為這個其實消費者長期都在討論好不好我覺得至少你要比照日本或者韓國好不好可以嗎好可以謝謝\n\n25\n00:08:44,585 --> 00:08:46,490\n謝謝委員我們謝謝王紅衛委員部長請回那麼接下來請蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2793\t14489\t好 謝謝主席我請我們財政部長莊部長好 請莊部長然後我請今天也有到場列席的我們新北市的財政局局長好嗎好 新北市陳榮貴 陳局長\n18152\t41198\t陈局长部长好局长好我们今天主要讨论这个排照税电动车排照税延长我想这一部分包含行政院还有立法院跨党派的委员都非常支持那刚才我做提案说明的时候我有特别讲因为今天为什么找了我们六都的财政局或者是相关的税制局的主管来\n41678\t44839\t就是因為牌照稅是屬於地方稅所以我相信在你們研擬稅法修正的時候也會找我們地方的財主單位來做討論但是近年來其實是有一個問題因為確實我們最近討論很多中央財政的收支劃分\n63087\t91539\t但是過去常常是會有一個問題就是中央請客然後地方買單所以我想請問一下陳局長我想排照稅這個有關電動車排照稅的這個優惠延長你們應該是支持那但是在如果說尤其六都這個電動車會比較多那在你們的稅損的部分稅收損失的部分你們有沒有期望或希望說中央\n92839\t103313\t未來就從這個排料稅或者未來這些相關的你們地方的稅收損失的部分是不是應該予以給一些相關的補助跟分攤\n106786\t128195\t跟委員報告未來五年如果再減免我們新北會稅損大概38億38億對我們是希望說由中央能源相關主管機關不管是經濟部的能源發展基金還是環境部的溫室氣體管理基金如果再不足就是公務預算編列撥補基金也可以\n128615\t147504\t好所以其實地方上38億其實對中央可能是九牛一毛好那對不起時間暫停一下我也請我們台北市我們台北市今天是副局長來好時間暫停請台北市商務局長商業委員會商務局長好那我們台北市的稅收損失是多少呢\n148659\t171966\t跟一座报告一下我们如果是接下来在延长大概5年的时间我们目前这边推算大概可能会有到88亿的情况但是因为这还是要看整体的整个在未来5年整体的那个电动车成长的幅度以及推估的方式对没有错当然其实如果电动车越多那相对的税损会越高这是必然的哈\n172586\t183396\t那因為時間關係我就不一一請個因為我們還有台中 桃園 台南那時間暫停一下兩位局長先可以請回謝謝當然我們其他我們桃園 台南 或者是台中如果要給我們相關數字我們也會非常歡迎所以局長不對 部長\n201090\t224186\t哪怪你不動如山部長就有關於這個這個政策大家都支持但是他的稅收損失會集中在這六都越是都會區越會使用這個就電動車的他的稅收損失越大你可以看得出來其實對地方政府來講台北市88億稅損新北市38億稅損其實對他們來講都是都是會肉痛的都肉痛的\n231130\t235254\t你看光是新秀就是輝達的那塊T17、18大家來會再講它的權利金也不過不到40億3、4億左右就來來回回談那麼久\n246683\t262588\t所以這個牌照稅未來有沒有可能就是我們也來做一個協調就如同剛才陳局長說的比如說我們透過什麼農園發展基金或者是其他的相關的基金裡面對地方給予相關的補貼跟分攤\n265103\t280271\t我想剛剛也好幾位委員都提出這樣的一個意見那我們那個環境部還有那個交通部還有經濟部他們都說他有關相關基金的部分是未來要做有關補貼部分他們帶回去研議\n282572\t308688\t那另外时间有限那请教因为我们有关于台美贸易谈判照理讲应该接近尾声因为赖总统告诉我们很快就有好消息只是我们现在的好消息到现在为止还不知道那我曾经问过经济部长因为大家一般认为我们对于美制的汽车进口关税会是一个重点那会不会\n309989\t327201\t最后我们对美国进口的汽车关税降到0那我想请问以部长来说就是我们如果把美制的汽车进口关税降至0对税损的部分会有很大影响吗\n329482\t335547\t根據我們大概算過是44億44億嘛 44億應該是在可應該絕對是可容忍的範圍嘛對不對 我就說就你們稅損的評估來說目前來說談判還在進行當中\n347042\t349144\t對因為經濟部長他考慮到的是產業產業的影響你財政部長考慮的就是稅收的影響44億是可容忍的範圍嗎44億目前當然還要看其他的項目整體來看\n363578\t379959\t好那另外一个我比较关心在去年我应该去年我也有问过对消费者来讲非常关心的两大关税一个就是汽车当然还有所谓的烟瓶还有保健食品最主要是保健食品\n380580\t404893\t那保健食品呢因為我們跟其他國家的進口關稅稅率我們確實偏高那麼台灣高達30%那這個比其他國家或東南亞國家都要偏高所以使得很多人到美國是一定要去買保健食品的那請問一下保健食品的進口關稅是不是可以調降\n406842\t421636\t第一個在台美談判裡面保健食品談判的稅率是多少當然還在討論當中那經濟部的產發署也有提出有關保健食品調降關稅的一些方案已經有提出來了好 那時間暫停 正好產發署有來嘛 是不是邱署長 經濟部產發署邱署長\n428308\t446574\t好 署長這個是很多消費者非常關心的就是這個進口保健食品30%太高了可不可以調降或者是調降到零或者是至少可以調降到跟其他至少你可以要跟亞洲國家差不多吧報告委員就是現在經濟部跟財政部已經在啟動一個調降保健食品的這樣的一個關稅\n457089\t477604\t的一个过程因为这牵涉到对消费者来讲的话应该要给他们更多的好处优惠另外的话就是产业的发展所以我们现在是正在开会协调是不是能够降到一个大家可以接受的数字兼顾到消费者的利益以及产业的发展所以降一半是合理范围吧\n478877\t495322\t這個也是一個考慮的方向好 因為如果降一半的話就跟日本差不多那降一半之後還有可能再往下降嗎如果跟韓國比的話如果說要再往下降的話也可以考慮用比較階段性的這樣的方式來調降也是一種可以考慮的方向\n496058\t522644\t用階段性但階段性可能要有一個期限對不對所以這樣50%是絕對可以看到的是一個可以討論的方向是可以討論的方向我知道你不會告訴我現在詳細的稅率但是我們希望能夠知道這個是往這個方向因為這個其實消費者長期都在討論好不好我覺得至少你要比照日本或者韓國好不好可以嗎好可以謝謝\n524585\t526490\t謝謝委員我們謝謝王紅衛委員部長請回那麼接下來請蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席我請我們財政部長莊部長好 請莊部長然後我請今天也有到場列席的我們新北市的財政局局長好嗎好 新北市陳榮貴 陳局長\n陈局长部长好局长好我们今天主要讨论这个排照税电动车排照税延长我想这一部分包含行政院还有立法院跨党派的委员都非常支持那刚才我做提案说明的时候我有特别讲因为今天为什么找了我们六都的财政局或者是相关的税制局的主管来\n就是因為牌照稅是屬於地方稅所以我相信在你們研擬稅法修正的時候也會找我們地方的財主單位來做討論但是近年來其實是有一個問題因為確實我們最近討論很多中央財政的收支劃分\n但是過去常常是會有一個問題就是中央請客然後地方買單所以我想請問一下陳局長我想排照稅這個有關電動車排照稅的這個優惠延長你們應該是支持那但是在如果說尤其六都這個電動車會比較多那在你們的稅損的部分稅收損失的部分你們有沒有期望或希望說中央\n未來就從這個排料稅或者未來這些相關的你們地方的稅收損失的部分是不是應該予以給一些相關的補助跟分攤\n跟委員報告未來五年如果再減免我們新北會稅損大概38億38億對我們是希望說由中央能源相關主管機關不管是經濟部的能源發展基金還是環境部的溫室氣體管理基金如果再不足就是公務預算編列撥補基金也可以\n好所以其實地方上38億其實對中央可能是九牛一毛好那對不起時間暫停一下我也請我們台北市我們台北市今天是副局長來好時間暫停請台北市商務局長商業委員會商務局長好那我們台北市的稅收損失是多少呢\n跟一座报告一下我们如果是接下来在延长大概5年的时间我们目前这边推算大概可能会有到88亿的情况但是因为这还是要看整体的整个在未来5年整体的那个电动车成长的幅度以及推估的方式对没有错当然其实如果电动车越多那相对的税损会越高这是必然的哈\n那因為時間關係我就不一一請個因為我們還有台中 桃園 台南那時間暫停一下兩位局長先可以請回謝謝當然我們其他我們桃園 台南 或者是台中如果要給我們相關數字我們也會非常歡迎所以局長不對 部長\n哪怪你不動如山部長就有關於這個這個政策大家都支持但是他的稅收損失會集中在這六都越是都會區越會使用這個就電動車的他的稅收損失越大你可以看得出來其實對地方政府來講台北市88億稅損新北市38億稅損其實對他們來講都是都是會肉痛的都肉痛的\n你看光是新秀就是輝達的那塊T17、18大家來會再講它的權利金也不過不到40億3、4億左右就來來回回談那麼久\n所以這個牌照稅未來有沒有可能就是我們也來做一個協調就如同剛才陳局長說的比如說我們透過什麼農園發展基金或者是其他的相關的基金裡面對地方給予相關的補貼跟分攤\n我想剛剛也好幾位委員都提出這樣的一個意見那我們那個環境部還有那個交通部還有經濟部他們都說他有關相關基金的部分是未來要做有關補貼部分他們帶回去研議\n那另外时间有限那请教因为我们有关于台美贸易谈判照理讲应该接近尾声因为赖总统告诉我们很快就有好消息只是我们现在的好消息到现在为止还不知道那我曾经问过经济部长因为大家一般认为我们对于美制的汽车进口关税会是一个重点那会不会\n最后我们对美国进口的汽车关税降到0那我想请问以部长来说就是我们如果把美制的汽车进口关税降至0对税损的部分会有很大影响吗\n根據我們大概算過是44億44億嘛 44億應該是在可應該絕對是可容忍的範圍嘛對不對 我就說就你們稅損的評估來說目前來說談判還在進行當中\n對因為經濟部長他考慮到的是產業產業的影響你財政部長考慮的就是稅收的影響44億是可容忍的範圍嗎44億目前當然還要看其他的項目整體來看\n好那另外一个我比较关心在去年我应该去年我也有问过对消费者来讲非常关心的两大关税一个就是汽车当然还有所谓的烟瓶还有保健食品最主要是保健食品\n那保健食品呢因為我們跟其他國家的進口關稅稅率我們確實偏高那麼台灣高達30%那這個比其他國家或東南亞國家都要偏高所以使得很多人到美國是一定要去買保健食品的那請問一下保健食品的進口關稅是不是可以調降\n第一個在台美談判裡面保健食品談判的稅率是多少當然還在討論當中那經濟部的產發署也有提出有關保健食品調降關稅的一些方案已經有提出來了好 那時間暫停 正好產發署有來嘛 是不是邱署長 經濟部產發署邱署長\n好 署長這個是很多消費者非常關心的就是這個進口保健食品30%太高了可不可以調降或者是調降到零或者是至少可以調降到跟其他至少你可以要跟亞洲國家差不多吧報告委員就是現在經濟部跟財政部已經在啟動一個調降保健食品的這樣的一個關稅\n的一个过程因为这牵涉到对消费者来讲的话应该要给他们更多的好处优惠另外的话就是产业的发展所以我们现在是正在开会协调是不是能够降到一个大家可以接受的数字兼顾到消费者的利益以及产业的发展所以降一半是合理范围吧\n這個也是一個考慮的方向好 因為如果降一半的話就跟日本差不多那降一半之後還有可能再往下降嗎如果跟韓國比的話如果說要再往下降的話也可以考慮用比較階段性的這樣的方式來調降也是一種可以考慮的方向\n用階段性但階段性可能要有一個期限對不對所以這樣50%是絕對可以看到的是一個可以討論的方向是可以討論的方向我知道你不會告訴我現在詳細的稅率但是我們希望能夠知道這個是往這個方向因為這個其實消費者長期都在討論好不好我覺得至少你要比照日本或者韓國好不好可以嗎好可以謝謝\n謝謝委員我們謝謝王紅衛委員部長請回那麼接下來請蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.793 --> 00:14.489\n好謝謝主席我請我們財政部長莊部長好請莊部長然後我請今天也有到場列席的我們新北市的財政局局長好嗎好新北市陳榮貴陳局長\n\n00:18.152 --> 00:41.198\n陈局长部长好局长好我们今天主要讨论这个排照税电动车排照税延长我想这一部分包含行政院还有立法院跨党派的委员都非常支持那刚才我做提案说明的时候我有特别讲因为今天为什么找了我们六都的财政局或者是相关的税制局的主管来\n\n00:41.678 --> 00:44.839\n就是因為牌照稅是屬於地方稅所以我相信在你們研擬稅法修正的時候也會找我們地方的財主單位來做討論但是近年來其實是有一個問題因為確實我們最近討論很多中央財政的收支劃分\n\n01:03.087 --> 01:31.539\n但是過去常常是會有一個問題就是中央請客然後地方買單所以我想請問一下陳局長我想排照稅這個有關電動車排照稅的這個優惠延長你們應該是支持那但是在如果說尤其六都這個電動車會比較多那在你們的稅損的部分稅收損失的部分你們有沒有期望或希望說中央\n\n01:32.839 --> 01:43.313\n未來就從這個排料稅或者未來這些相關的你們地方的稅收損失的部分是不是應該予以給一些相關的補助跟分攤\n\n01:46.786 --> 02:08.195\n跟委員報告未來五年如果再減免我們新北會稅損大概38億38億對我們是希望說由中央能源相關主管機關不管是經濟部的能源發展基金還是環境部的溫室氣體管理基金如果再不足就是公務預算編列撥補基金也可以\n\n02:08.615 --> 02:27.504\n好所以其實地方上38億其實對中央可能是九牛一毛好那對不起時間暫停一下我也請我們台北市我們台北市今天是副局長來好時間暫停請台北市商務局長商業委員會商務局長好那我們台北市的稅收損失是多少呢\n\n02:28.659 --> 02:51.966\n跟一座报告一下我们如果是接下来在延长大概5年的时间我们目前这边推算大概可能会有到88亿的情况但是因为这还是要看整体的整个在未来5年整体的那个电动车成长的幅度以及推估的方式对没有错当然其实如果电动车越多那相对的税损会越高这是必然的哈\n\n02:52.586 --> 03:03.396\n那因為時間關係我就不一一請個因為我們還有台中桃園台南那時間暫停一下兩位局長先可以請回謝謝當然我們其他我們桃園台南或者是台中如果要給我們相關數字我們也會非常歡迎所以局長不對部長\n\n03:21.090 --> 03:44.186\n哪怪你不動如山部長就有關於這個這個政策大家都支持但是他的稅收損失會集中在這六都越是都會區越會使用這個就電動車的他的稅收損失越大你可以看得出來其實對地方政府來講台北市88億稅損新北市38億稅損其實對他們來講都是都是會肉痛的都肉痛的\n\n03:51.130 --> 03:55.254\n你看光是新秀就是輝達的那塊T17、18大家來會再講它的權利金也不過不到40億3、4億左右就來來回回談那麼久\n\n04:06.683 --> 04:22.588\n所以這個牌照稅未來有沒有可能就是我們也來做一個協調就如同剛才陳局長說的比如說我們透過什麼農園發展基金或者是其他的相關的基金裡面對地方給予相關的補貼跟分攤\n\n04:25.103 --> 04:40.271\n我想剛剛也好幾位委員都提出這樣的一個意見那我們那個環境部還有那個交通部還有經濟部他們都說他有關相關基金的部分是未來要做有關補貼部分他們帶回去研議\n\n04:42.572 --> 05:08.688\n那另外时间有限那请教因为我们有关于台美贸易谈判照理讲应该接近尾声因为赖总统告诉我们很快就有好消息只是我们现在的好消息到现在为止还不知道那我曾经问过经济部长因为大家一般认为我们对于美制的汽车进口关税会是一个重点那会不会\n\n05:09.989 --> 05:27.201\n最后我们对美国进口的汽车关税降到0那我想请问以部长来说就是我们如果把美制的汽车进口关税降至0对税损的部分会有很大影响吗\n\n05:29.482 --> 05:35.547\n根據我們大概算過是44億44億嘛44億應該是在可應該絕對是可容忍的範圍嘛對不對我就說就你們稅損的評估來說目前來說談判還在進行當中\n\n05:47.042 --> 05:49.144\n對因為經濟部長他考慮到的是產業產業的影響你財政部長考慮的就是稅收的影響44億是可容忍的範圍嗎44億目前當然還要看其他的項目整體來看\n\n06:03.578 --> 06:19.959\n好那另外一个我比较关心在去年我应该去年我也有问过对消费者来讲非常关心的两大关税一个就是汽车当然还有所谓的烟瓶还有保健食品最主要是保健食品\n\n06:20.580 --> 06:44.893\n那保健食品呢因為我們跟其他國家的進口關稅稅率我們確實偏高那麼台灣高達30%那這個比其他國家或東南亞國家都要偏高所以使得很多人到美國是一定要去買保健食品的那請問一下保健食品的進口關稅是不是可以調降\n\n06:46.842 --> 07:01.636\n第一個在台美談判裡面保健食品談判的稅率是多少當然還在討論當中那經濟部的產發署也有提出有關保健食品調降關稅的一些方案已經有提出來了好那時間暫停正好產發署有來嘛是不是邱署長經濟部產發署邱署長\n\n07:08.308 --> 07:26.574\n好署長這個是很多消費者非常關心的就是這個進口保健食品30%太高了可不可以調降或者是調降到零或者是至少可以調降到跟其他至少你可以要跟亞洲國家差不多吧報告委員就是現在經濟部跟財政部已經在啟動一個調降保健食品的這樣的一個關稅\n\n07:37.089 --> 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