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00:02:32,292\n普遍的你說他完全住在金門也不完全完全住在台灣也不完全那這樣子其中一個就要喪失這個離島這個金門的這個住因為如果你的戶口沒有在金門你連坐飛機票都要貴很多這個可能你們不知道不是指金門九行那些福利而是說機票啊包括就醫的這個很多費用都要增加很多那不得又要到台灣來的話他這個損失也很大這個第一點第二點又有一種特別的情形是這個戶口在\n\n7\n00:02:36,204 --> 00:02:55,220\n第二個特別情形是像比如說我們有台灣的鄉親比如說台北的比如說台北長大的台灣原來台灣籍的台北籍的好了鄉親他到金門去工作比如去當公務人員他考上公務人員他到金門去工作那他家他的這個房子全家他們就一戶置戶的比如說在台北有一個房子\n\n8\n00:02:56,741 --> 00:03:23,094\n他去金門工作他在金門可能是租房子但因為為了在當地工作我剛講那些比如說坐飛機他要回家回台北的家坐飛機什麼都會影響很大所以他的戶口必須放在金門因為他在金門當任公務人員原來台灣在金門工作的公務人員反映的因為他這樣的工作他必須遷到金門也就喪失了這些自用住宅的稅率\n\n9\n00:03:25,253 --> 00:03:43,741\n您了解我的意思嗎這個是實際發生的情形不只是原籍金門的金門人原籍台灣的台灣人現在變成金門籍的新金門人也遇到這樣的情形那這事實上不符合你們原來這個房屋稅這個稅率的就是說他們全家都住在台灣沒錯啊您了解我的意思嗎\n\n10\n00:03:44,461 --> 00:04:12,790\n好來這個情形沒關係因為今天題目很多這個特殊這種情形包括這個三戶以內要求夫妻一個人必須要上市離島戶籍或者全國他這個人全國明明他只有一戶只有一戶喔卻沒有辦法享用自用住宅稅率問題這個要提出請你們幫我們提出修法建議這個我要今天提的問題在這裡那我們當然有我們的想法那我想我們先尊重主管機關嘛針對我們提出的這些問題你們做出相關的研究給我一個\n\n11\n00:04:13,750 --> 00:04:33,907\n報告看要不要提出修法或者是你如果不願意我們會來主動提出修法我們再把您剛剛所提的幾項問題我們做一個詳細的報告給委員才不會說因為這樣誤殺到一些真的是有實際工作需求的人因為離島比較特別你住你如果在台北你住在台中你去台中工作事實上你回台北也沒什麼影響\n\n12\n00:04:34,748 --> 00:04:54,930\n但是因為離島就有飛機票的這個一些差額價錢就是不一樣這個差很多一趟飛機是差好幾千塊回家省錢什麼也都沒辦法可能家人在台灣然後他在金門工作這是原籍台灣的人所以這個部分請人去研究一下好嗎好第二部分我想請教這個交通部\n\n13\n00:04:56,791 --> 00:05:20,000\n我國進口車輛的檢驗項目和流程這個問題也請你們要幫我帶回去研究你看有三個電動車檢驗部有環境部、人員署跟交通部檢驗完以後就到監理站去領牌金門也是金門有進口一些少量的自用電動車但是因為都是自用很少量以前的做法是\n\n14\n00:05:21,260 --> 00:05:39,308\n這個以前交通部的做法是102年那時候的做法是派人就整批人到因為累積很多每個人都進了車以後一台一台一台可能不知道多少台以後就到金門去做相關的這個檢驗但是呢這個畢竟不是長久之計啦我覺得這個很不方便後來他交通部說不然你們以後車子就運來台灣檢驗再運回去金門領牌那一來一回這個光運費就多少錢啊那時間呢就買一台車子要運過去再運過來這個事實上造成很大的困擾\n\n15\n00:05:48,012 --> 00:06:07,651\n那所以現在國內檢測機構現在不是只有一家交通部有認可很多家國內外檢測機構有52家環保署的部分排氣的污染有5家噪音的部分有6家人員局耗能的部分有3家這個市場是自由的對吧這自由開放的市場嘛那我想請你們去交通部還有經濟部有沒有來\n\n16\n00:06:08,812 --> 00:06:25,268\n經濟部邱久慧有來的經濟部還有交通部邱久慧署長你上來一下因為這也牽涉到經濟部嘛這個裡面有個檢測是經濟部的交通部的環保部環境部今天沒有環境部也有來但是是不同的\n\n17\n00:06:25,848 --> 00:06:47,547\n各位沒關係你們都上來一下這個題目你們也了解一下就是說如何不讓離島居民造成困擾買了車子又要再運過來運過去去檢驗才能掛牌您了解嗎剛剛我提的這幾位經濟部跟那個環境部都有聽到那這個部分請你們是不是去研究一下可不可以輔導金門成立具檢驗資格的民間業者\n\n18\n00:06:48,428 --> 00:07:03,719\n因為這市場本來就是開放的嘛那其中有各種檢驗的機構來輔導我們金門來成立在這個過程成立以後金門人就不用這樣奔波啦也是做一個比較便民的手續這樣回去你們是不是可以回去把這個問題拿回去研究一下有沒有可以嗎\n\n19\n00:07:06,716 --> 00:07:34,225\n我們待會去研究請問要多久交通部一個部一個部回答因為進口車檢驗有三個部會四個檢測交通部的部分的話我們盤點一下目前的狀況之後再跟委員報告大概多久沒關係我給你時間兩個月給委員面書面報告兩個月現在是11月2號好啦OK來那個經濟部這個環境有時間我們也是比照兩個月兩個月那環境部呢\n\n20\n00:07:35,677 --> 00:08:01,037\n財政部也請比較兩個月我既然給你們這麼充裕的時間麻煩你們叫做出可行的方案不是給我研究完再研究我要檔案可行的方案你不能研究完兩個月後告訴我你再研究好謝謝好謝謝然後接著財政部的這個這個離島建設不是對不起那個財化法剩下其他部會可以了國庫署的嘛所以那個我剛聽說這個你們在12月底前會提出相對應的這個院版的對嗎\n\n21\n00:08:04,324 --> 00:08:22,026\n那個我們會在年底前會把院版提送出來好那我跟你們提醒一下在這個這個我們之前也提過不是我提事實上不管是民進黨執政或是國民黨執政針對這個財化委員會第8條裡頭金馬地區的這個菸酒稅的部分80%的部分留給金馬地區使用的這個部分這個\n\n22\n00:08:24,249 --> 00:08:43,515\n不只是本席有提出來了我們的招委林士明招委也有提了再加上過去5年行政院的版本送進來的時候這5個這一條都是有列在裡頭從民國91年到現在歷年20幾年要修才化法的時候不管是國民黨當執政黨或是民進黨當執政黨這一條就是\n\n23\n00:08:46,616 --> 00:09:07,418\n第八條第四項裡頭的這個有關金馬地區的這個酒的這個部分是菸酒也是菸酒這個稅的部分因為從金馬地區斟菸酒那留給金馬地區這個使用這個也鼓勵地方要自己創造自己的財源這個部分都有提出來我希望是這個這個是這個是不是在本次的這個行政院板頭把我們列入考慮\n\n24\n00:09:08,837 --> 00:09:20,447\n跟委員報告我知道委員這邊本來就有對這個有提案只是很可惜上次在國民黨團那個版本裡面並沒有把委員這次沒有對但是你們要提願版嗎那提願版的時候當然委員這個建議還有我們都會一併納入考量對因為\n\n25\n00:09:24,511 --> 00:09:53,503\n以前你們就提過了我是提醒你們不要再遺漏那這個東西事實上是很公平的因為這是當初加入WTO原來金馬地區是菸酒專賣制度產生的財務衝擊所以那時候才會提出這一點這已經是民國我想這個國會署署長很了解嘛這是你管的這個稅嘛民國九十一年就已經有提出這個制度了吧只是說因為財化延宕這麼多年一直沒有修嘛那既然這次這個財政部已經要提出願辦了請問把這一條也一併按照以往不管是哪一個黨執政都提出來條例不要忘掉這一條可以嗎\n\n26\n00:09:54,983 --> 00:09:58,132\n會納入裡面來做考量OK好謝謝部長好謝謝謝謝署長好謝謝陳怡貞委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n910\t21584\t謝謝主席 請這個這個房屋稅 財政部長嗎這房屋稅應該是財政部長嗎財政部長財政部 莊部長一個房屋稅的房屋稅還有一個交通部的交通部專委有來嗎 趙專委等一下還有一題是那個也是財劃法的財劃法 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回台北的家坐飛機什麼都會影響很大所以他的戶口必須放在金門因為他在金門當任公務人員原來台灣在金門工作的公務人員反映的因為他這樣的工作他必須遷到金門也就喪失了這些自用住宅的稅率\n205253\t223741\t您了解我的意思嗎這個是實際發生的情形不只是原籍金門的金門人原籍台灣的台灣人現在變成金門籍的新金門人也遇到這樣的情形那這事實上不符合你們原來這個房屋稅這個稅率的就是說他們全家都住在台灣沒錯啊您了解我的意思嗎\n224461\t252790\t好來這個情形沒關係因為今天題目很多這個特殊這種情形包括這個三戶以內要求夫妻一個人必須要上市離島戶籍或者全國他這個人全國明明他只有一戶只有一戶喔卻沒有辦法享用自用住宅稅率問題這個要提出請你們幫我們提出修法建議這個我要今天提的問題在這裡那我們當然有我們的想法那我想我們先尊重主管機關嘛針對我們提出的這些問題你們做出相關的研究給我一個\n253750\t273907\t報告看要不要提出修法或者是你如果不願意我們會來主動提出修法我們再把您剛剛所提的幾項問題我們做一個詳細的報告給委員才不會說因為這樣誤殺到一些真的是有實際工作需求的人因為離島比較特別你住你如果在台北你住在台中你去台中工作事實上你回台北也沒什麼影響\n274748\t294930\t但是因為離島就有飛機票的這個一些差額價錢就是不一樣這個差很多一趟飛機是差好幾千塊回家省錢什麼也都沒辦法可能家人在台灣然後他在金門工作這是原籍台灣的人所以這個部分請人去研究一下好嗎好第二部分我想請教這個交通部\n296791\t320000\t我國進口車輛的檢驗項目和流程這個問題也請你們要幫我帶回去研究你看有三個電動車檢驗部有環境部、人員署跟交通部檢驗完以後就到監理站去領牌金門也是金門有進口一些少量的自用電動車但是因為都是自用 很少量以前的做法是\n321260\t339308\t這個以前交通部的做法是102年那時候的做法是派人就整批人到因為累積很多每個人都進了車以後一台一台一台可能不知道多少台以後就到金門去做相關的這個檢驗但是呢這個畢竟不是長久之計啦我覺得這個很不方便後來他交通部說不然你們以後車子就運來台灣檢驗再運回去金門領牌那一來一回這個光運費就多少錢啊那時間呢就買一台車子要運過去再運過來這個事實上造成很大的困擾\n348012\t367651\t那所以現在國內檢測機構現在不是只有一家交通部有認可很多家國內外檢測機構有52家環保署的部分排氣的污染有5家 噪音的部分有6家人員局耗能的部分有3家這個市場是自由的對吧這自由開放的市場嘛那我想請你們去交通部還有經濟部有沒有來\n368812\t385268\t經濟部 邱久慧有來的經濟部還有交通部邱久慧署長你上來一下因為這也牽涉到經濟部嘛這個裡面有個檢測是經濟部的交通部的環保部環境部今天沒有環境部也有來但是是不同的\n385848\t407547\t各位沒關係你們都上來一下這個題目你們也了解一下就是說如何不讓離島居民造成困擾買了車子又要再運過來運過去去檢驗才能掛牌您了解嗎剛剛我提的這幾位經濟部跟那個環境部都有聽到那這個部分請你們是不是去研究一下可不可以輔導金門成立具檢驗資格的民間業者\n408428\t423719\t因為這市場本來就是開放的嘛那其中有各種檢驗的機構來輔導我們金門來成立在這個過程成立以後金門人就不用這樣奔波啦也是做一個比較便民的手續這樣回去你們是不是可以回去把這個問題拿回去研究一下有沒有 可以嗎\n426716\t454225\t我們待會去研究請問要多久交通部一個部一個部回答因為進口車檢驗有三個部會四個檢測交通部的部分的話我們盤點一下目前的狀況之後再跟委員報告大概多久沒關係我給你時間兩個月給委員面書面報告兩個月現在是11月2號好啦OK來那個經濟部這個環境有時間我們也是比照兩個月兩個月那環境部呢\n455677\t481037\t財政部也請比較兩個月我既然給你們這麼充裕的時間麻煩你們叫做出可行的方案不是給我研究完再研究我要檔案可行的方案你不能研究完兩個月後告訴我你再研究好謝謝好謝謝然後接著財政部的這個這個離島建設不是對不起那個財化法剩下其他部會可以了國庫署的嘛所以那個我剛聽說這個你們在12月底前會提出相對應的這個院版的對嗎\n484324\t502026\t那個我們會在年底前會把院版提送出來好那我跟你們提醒一下在這個這個我們之前也提過不是我提事實上不管是民進黨執政或是國民黨執政針對這個財化委員會第8條裡頭金馬地區的這個菸酒稅的部分80%的部分留給金馬地區使用的這個部分這個\n504249\t523515\t不只是本席有提出來了我們的招委林士明招委也有提了再加上過去5年行政院的版本送進來的時候這5個這一條都是有列在裡頭從民國91年到現在歷年20幾年要修才化法的時候不管是國民黨當執政黨或是民進黨當執政黨這一條就是\n526616\t547418\t第八條第四項裡頭的這個有關金馬地區的這個酒的這個部分是菸酒也是菸酒這個稅的部分因為從金馬地區斟菸酒那留給金馬地區這個使用這個也鼓勵地方要自己創造自己的財源這個部分都有提出來我希望是這個這個是這個是不是在本次的這個行政院板頭把我們列入考慮\n548837\t560447\t跟委員報告我知道委員這邊本來就有對這個有提案只是很可惜上次在國民黨團那個版本裡面並沒有把委員這次沒有對但是你們要提願版嗎那提願版的時候當然委員這個建議還有我們都會一併納入考量對因為\n564511\t593503\t以前你們就提過了我是提醒你們不要再遺漏那這個東西事實上是很公平的因為這是當初加入WTO原來金馬地區是菸酒專賣制度產生的財務衝擊所以那時候才會提出這一點這已經是民國我想這個國會署署長很了解嘛這是你管的這個稅嘛民國九十一年就已經有提出這個制度了吧只是說因為財化延宕這麼多年一直沒有修嘛那既然這次這個財政部已經要提出願辦了請問把這一條也一併按照以往不管是哪一個黨執政都提出來條例不要忘掉這一條可以嗎\n594983\t598132\t會納入裡面來做考量OK 好 謝謝部長好 謝謝 謝謝署長好 謝謝陳怡貞委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 請這個這個房屋稅 財政部長嗎這房屋稅應該是財政部長嗎財政部長財政部 莊部長一個房屋稅的房屋稅還有一個交通部的交通部專委有來嗎 趙專委等一下還有一題是那個也是財劃法的財劃法 國庫署署長\n我們先講房屋稅部長好房屋稅2.0改革的重點是說要加重持有多戶而且沒有做有效利用者的房屋稅負擔合理化房屋的稅負然後你們現在執行的手段是這樣子自住三戶以下的這幾種人\n自住商戶公益出租人社會住宅包租代管這些維持1.2%其中這個自住商戶裡頭是房屋屋出租或供營業使用所有權或使用權人本人配偶或其直系親屬實際居住使用且於該屋半郡戶籍登記要有戶籍登記在裡頭第三點本人配偶及衛生局全國合計商戶以內我們討論自住這個部分你們這個執行這個手段\n有遇到一些錯殺的一些事實上因為房屋稅錯殺了一些人我們來看一下你們看這下面怎麼改進產生的後果都是自住的沒有辦法享受自住的稅率比如說金門強勤夫妻兩個人變成要一個戶口在金門一個戶口在台灣那因為我們金門戶口在金門跟在台灣的戶籍意義大不相同\n不是表示他們都住金門或住台灣因為在離島來講很多人是常常金門台灣這樣飛來飛去的很正常在金門然後有時候到台灣來不管就醫啊小孩子就學啊各方面這個是很普遍的現象不是像台北住在台北就在台北工作啊就學什麼都在台北就醫啊都在台北所以金門這樣飛來飛去是很\n普遍的 你說他完全住在金門也不完全 完全住在台灣也不完全那這樣子 其中一個就要喪失這個離島這個金門的這個住 因為如果你的戶口沒有在金門 你連坐飛機票都要貴很多這個可能你們不知道 不是指金門九行那些福利 而是說機票啊 包括就醫的這個很多費用都要增加很多 那不得又要到台灣來的話他這個損失也很大 這個第一點第二點 又有一種特別的情形 是這個戶口在\n第二個特別情形是像比如說我們有台灣的鄉親比如說台北的比如說台北長大的台灣原來台灣籍的台北籍的好了鄉親他到金門去工作比如去當公務人員他考上公務人員他到金門去工作那他家他的這個房子全家他們就一戶置戶的比如說在台北有一個房子\n他去金門工作他在金門可能是租房子但因為為了在當地工作我剛講那些比如說坐飛機他要回家 回台北的家坐飛機什麼都會影響很大所以他的戶口必須放在金門因為他在金門當任公務人員原來台灣在金門工作的公務人員反映的因為他這樣的工作他必須遷到金門也就喪失了這些自用住宅的稅率\n您了解我的意思嗎這個是實際發生的情形不只是原籍金門的金門人原籍台灣的台灣人現在變成金門籍的新金門人也遇到這樣的情形那這事實上不符合你們原來這個房屋稅這個稅率的就是說他們全家都住在台灣沒錯啊您了解我的意思嗎\n好來這個情形沒關係因為今天題目很多這個特殊這種情形包括這個三戶以內要求夫妻一個人必須要上市離島戶籍或者全國他這個人全國明明他只有一戶只有一戶喔卻沒有辦法享用自用住宅稅率問題這個要提出請你們幫我們提出修法建議這個我要今天提的問題在這裡那我們當然有我們的想法那我想我們先尊重主管機關嘛針對我們提出的這些問題你們做出相關的研究給我一個\n報告看要不要提出修法或者是你如果不願意我們會來主動提出修法我們再把您剛剛所提的幾項問題我們做一個詳細的報告給委員才不會說因為這樣誤殺到一些真的是有實際工作需求的人因為離島比較特別你住你如果在台北你住在台中你去台中工作事實上你回台北也沒什麼影響\n但是因為離島就有飛機票的這個一些差額價錢就是不一樣這個差很多一趟飛機是差好幾千塊回家省錢什麼也都沒辦法可能家人在台灣然後他在金門工作這是原籍台灣的人所以這個部分請人去研究一下好嗎好第二部分我想請教這個交通部\n我國進口車輛的檢驗項目和流程這個問題也請你們要幫我帶回去研究你看有三個電動車檢驗部有環境部、人員署跟交通部檢驗完以後就到監理站去領牌金門也是金門有進口一些少量的自用電動車但是因為都是自用 很少量以前的做法是\n這個以前交通部的做法是102年那時候的做法是派人就整批人到因為累積很多每個人都進了車以後一台一台一台可能不知道多少台以後就到金門去做相關的這個檢驗但是呢這個畢竟不是長久之計啦我覺得這個很不方便後來他交通部說不然你們以後車子就運來台灣檢驗再運回去金門領牌那一來一回這個光運費就多少錢啊那時間呢就買一台車子要運過去再運過來這個事實上造成很大的困擾\n那所以現在國內檢測機構現在不是只有一家交通部有認可很多家國內外檢測機構有52家環保署的部分排氣的污染有5家 噪音的部分有6家人員局耗能的部分有3家這個市場是自由的對吧這自由開放的市場嘛那我想請你們去交通部還有經濟部有沒有來\n經濟部 邱久慧有來的經濟部還有交通部邱久慧署長你上來一下因為這也牽涉到經濟部嘛這個裡面有個檢測是經濟部的交通部的環保部環境部今天沒有環境部也有來但是是不同的\n各位沒關係你們都上來一下這個題目你們也了解一下就是說如何不讓離島居民造成困擾買了車子又要再運過來運過去去檢驗才能掛牌您了解嗎剛剛我提的這幾位經濟部跟那個環境部都有聽到那這個部分請你們是不是去研究一下可不可以輔導金門成立具檢驗資格的民間業者\n因為這市場本來就是開放的嘛那其中有各種檢驗的機構來輔導我們金門來成立在這個過程成立以後金門人就不用這樣奔波啦也是做一個比較便民的手續這樣回去你們是不是可以回去把這個問題拿回去研究一下有沒有 可以嗎\n我們待會去研究請問要多久交通部一個部一個部回答因為進口車檢驗有三個部會四個檢測交通部的部分的話我們盤點一下目前的狀況之後再跟委員報告大概多久沒關係我給你時間兩個月給委員面書面報告兩個月現在是11月2號好啦OK來那個經濟部這個環境有時間我們也是比照兩個月兩個月那環境部呢\n財政部也請比較兩個月我既然給你們這麼充裕的時間麻煩你們叫做出可行的方案不是給我研究完再研究我要檔案可行的方案你不能研究完兩個月後告訴我你再研究好謝謝好謝謝然後接著財政部的這個這個離島建設不是對不起那個財化法剩下其他部會可以了國庫署的嘛所以那個我剛聽說這個你們在12月底前會提出相對應的這個院版的對嗎\n那個我們會在年底前會把院版提送出來好那我跟你們提醒一下在這個這個我們之前也提過不是我提事實上不管是民進黨執政或是國民黨執政針對這個財化委員會第8條裡頭金馬地區的這個菸酒稅的部分80%的部分留給金馬地區使用的這個部分這個\n不只是本席有提出來了我們的招委林士明招委也有提了再加上過去5年行政院的版本送進來的時候這5個這一條都是有列在裡頭從民國91年到現在歷年20幾年要修才化法的時候不管是國民黨當執政黨或是民進黨當執政黨這一條就是\n第八條第四項裡頭的這個有關金馬地區的這個酒的這個部分是菸酒也是菸酒這個稅的部分因為從金馬地區斟菸酒那留給金馬地區這個使用這個也鼓勵地方要自己創造自己的財源這個部分都有提出來我希望是這個這個是這個是不是在本次的這個行政院板頭把我們列入考慮\n跟委員報告我知道委員這邊本來就有對這個有提案只是很可惜上次在國民黨團那個版本裡面並沒有把委員這次沒有對但是你們要提願版嗎那提願版的時候當然委員這個建議還有我們都會一併納入考量對因為\n以前你們就提過了我是提醒你們不要再遺漏那這個東西事實上是很公平的因為這是當初加入WTO原來金馬地區是菸酒專賣制度產生的財務衝擊所以那時候才會提出這一點這已經是民國我想這個國會署署長很了解嘛這是你管的這個稅嘛民國九十一年就已經有提出這個制度了吧只是說因為財化延宕這麼多年一直沒有修嘛那既然這次這個財政部已經要提出願辦了請問把這一條也一併按照以往不管是哪一個黨執政都提出來條例不要忘掉這一條可以嗎\n會納入裡面來做考量OK 好 謝謝部長好 謝謝 謝謝署長好 謝謝陳怡貞委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.910 --> 00:21.584\n謝謝主席請這個這個房屋稅財政部長嗎這房屋稅應該是財政部長嗎財政部長財政部莊部長一個房屋稅的房屋稅還有一個交通部的交通部專委有來嗎趙專委等一下還有一題是那個也是財劃法的財劃法國庫署署長\n\n00:28.820 --> 00:52.468\n我們先講房屋稅部長好房屋稅2.0改革的重點是說要加重持有多戶而且沒有做有效利用者的房屋稅負擔合理化房屋的稅負然後你們現在執行的手段是這樣子自住三戶以下的這幾種人\n\n00:53.148 --> 01:17.294\n自住商戶公益出租人社會住宅包租代管這些維持1.2%其中這個自住商戶裡頭是房屋屋出租或供營業使用所有權或使用權人本人配偶或其直系親屬實際居住使用且於該屋半郡戶籍登記要有戶籍登記在裡頭第三點本人配偶及衛生局全國合計商戶以內我們討論自住這個部分你們這個執行這個手段\n\n01:22.455 --> 01:44.692\n有遇到一些錯殺的一些事實上因為房屋稅錯殺了一些人我們來看一下你們看這下面怎麼改進產生的後果都是自住的沒有辦法享受自住的稅率比如說金門強勤夫妻兩個人變成要一個戶口在金門一個戶口在台灣那因為我們金門戶口在金門跟在台灣的戶籍意義大不相同\n\n01:46.313 --> 02:05.960\n不是表示他們都住金門或住台灣因為在離島來講很多人是常常金門台灣這樣飛來飛去的很正常在金門然後有時候到台灣來不管就醫啊小孩子就學啊各方面這個是很普遍的現象不是像台北住在台北就在台北工作啊就學什麼都在台北就醫啊都在台北所以金門這樣飛來飛去是很\n\n02:06.400 --> 02:32.292\n普遍的你說他完全住在金門也不完全完全住在台灣也不完全那這樣子其中一個就要喪失這個離島這個金門的這個住因為如果你的戶口沒有在金門你連坐飛機票都要貴很多這個可能你們不知道不是指金門九行那些福利而是說機票啊包括就醫的這個很多費用都要增加很多那不得又要到台灣來的話他這個損失也很大這個第一點第二點又有一種特別的情形是這個戶口在\n\n02:36.204 --> 02:55.220\n第二個特別情形是像比如說我們有台灣的鄉親比如說台北的比如說台北長大的台灣原來台灣籍的台北籍的好了鄉親他到金門去工作比如去當公務人員他考上公務人員他到金門去工作那他家他的這個房子全家他們就一戶置戶的比如說在台北有一個房子\n\n02:56.741 --> 03:23.094\n他去金門工作他在金門可能是租房子但因為為了在當地工作我剛講那些比如說坐飛機他要回家回台北的家坐飛機什麼都會影響很大所以他的戶口必須放在金門因為他在金門當任公務人員原來台灣在金門工作的公務人員反映的因為他這樣的工作他必須遷到金門也就喪失了這些自用住宅的稅率\n\n03:25.253 --> 03:43.741\n您了解我的意思嗎這個是實際發生的情形不只是原籍金門的金門人原籍台灣的台灣人現在變成金門籍的新金門人也遇到這樣的情形那這事實上不符合你們原來這個房屋稅這個稅率的就是說他們全家都住在台灣沒錯啊您了解我的意思嗎\n\n03:44.461 --> 04:12.790\n好來這個情形沒關係因為今天題目很多這個特殊這種情形包括這個三戶以內要求夫妻一個人必須要上市離島戶籍或者全國他這個人全國明明他只有一戶只有一戶喔卻沒有辦法享用自用住宅稅率問題這個要提出請你們幫我們提出修法建議這個我要今天提的問題在這裡那我們當然有我們的想法那我想我們先尊重主管機關嘛針對我們提出的這些問題你們做出相關的研究給我一個\n\n04:13.750 --> 04:33.907\n報告看要不要提出修法或者是你如果不願意我們會來主動提出修法我們再把您剛剛所提的幾項問題我們做一個詳細的報告給委員才不會說因為這樣誤殺到一些真的是有實際工作需求的人因為離島比較特別你住你如果在台北你住在台中你去台中工作事實上你回台北也沒什麼影響\n\n04:34.748 --> 04:54.930\n但是因為離島就有飛機票的這個一些差額價錢就是不一樣這個差很多一趟飛機是差好幾千塊回家省錢什麼也都沒辦法可能家人在台灣然後他在金門工作這是原籍台灣的人所以這個部分請人去研究一下好嗎好第二部分我想請教這個交通部\n\n04:56.791 --> 05:20.000\n我國進口車輛的檢驗項目和流程這個問題也請你們要幫我帶回去研究你看有三個電動車檢驗部有環境部、人員署跟交通部檢驗完以後就到監理站去領牌金門也是金門有進口一些少量的自用電動車但是因為都是自用很少量以前的做法是\n\n05:21.260 --> 05:39.308\n這個以前交通部的做法是102年那時候的做法是派人就整批人到因為累積很多每個人都進了車以後一台一台一台可能不知道多少台以後就到金門去做相關的這個檢驗但是呢這個畢竟不是長久之計啦我覺得這個很不方便後來他交通部說不然你們以後車子就運來台灣檢驗再運回去金門領牌那一來一回這個光運費就多少錢啊那時間呢就買一台車子要運過去再運過來這個事實上造成很大的困擾\n\n05:48.012 --> 06:07.651\n那所以現在國內檢測機構現在不是只有一家交通部有認可很多家國內外檢測機構有52家環保署的部分排氣的污染有5家噪音的部分有6家人員局耗能的部分有3家這個市場是自由的對吧這自由開放的市場嘛那我想請你們去交通部還有經濟部有沒有來\n\n06:08.812 --> 06:25.268\n經濟部邱久慧有來的經濟部還有交通部邱久慧署長你上來一下因為這也牽涉到經濟部嘛這個裡面有個檢測是經濟部的交通部的環保部環境部今天沒有環境部也有來但是是不同的\n\n06:25.848 --> 06:47.547\n各位沒關係你們都上來一下這個題目你們也了解一下就是說如何不讓離島居民造成困擾買了車子又要再運過來運過去去檢驗才能掛牌您了解嗎剛剛我提的這幾位經濟部跟那個環境部都有聽到那這個部分請你們是不是去研究一下可不可以輔導金門成立具檢驗資格的民間業者\n\n06:48.428 --> 07:03.719\n因為這市場本來就是開放的嘛那其中有各種檢驗的機構來輔導我們金門來成立在這個過程成立以後金門人就不用這樣奔波啦也是做一個比較便民的手續這樣回去你們是不是可以回去把這個問題拿回去研究一下有沒有可以嗎\n\n07:06.716 --> 07:34.225\n我們待會去研究請問要多久交通部一個部一個部回答因為進口車檢驗有三個部會四個檢測交通部的部分的話我們盤點一下目前的狀況之後再跟委員報告大概多久沒關係我給你時間兩個月給委員面書面報告兩個月現在是11月2號好啦OK來那個經濟部這個環境有時間我們也是比照兩個月兩個月那環境部呢\n\n07:35.677 --> 08:01.037\n財政部也請比較兩個月我既然給你們這麼充裕的時間麻煩你們叫做出可行的方案不是給我研究完再研究我要檔案可行的方案你不能研究完兩個月後告訴我你再研究好謝謝好謝謝然後接著財政部的這個這個離島建設不是對不起那個財化法剩下其他部會可以了國庫署的嘛所以那個我剛聽說這個你們在12月底前會提出相對應的這個院版的對嗎\n\n08:04.324 --> 08:22.026\n那個我們會在年底前會把院版提送出來好那我跟你們提醒一下在這個這個我們之前也提過不是我提事實上不管是民進黨執政或是國民黨執政針對這個財化委員會第8條裡頭金馬地區的這個菸酒稅的部分80%的部分留給金馬地區使用的這個部分這個\n\n08:24.249 --> 08:43.515\n不只是本席有提出來了我們的招委林士明招委也有提了再加上過去5年行政院的版本送進來的時候這5個這一條都是有列在裡頭從民國91年到現在歷年20幾年要修才化法的時候不管是國民黨當執政黨或是民進黨當執政黨這一條就是\n\n08:46.616 --> 09:07.418\n第八條第四項裡頭的這個有關金馬地區的這個酒的這個部分是菸酒也是菸酒這個稅的部分因為從金馬地區斟菸酒那留給金馬地區這個使用這個也鼓勵地方要自己創造自己的財源這個部分都有提出來我希望是這個這個是這個是不是在本次的這個行政院板頭把我們列入考慮\n\n09:08.837 --> 09:20.447\n跟委員報告我知道委員這邊本來就有對這個有提案只是很可惜上次在國民黨團那個版本裡面並沒有把委員這次沒有對但是你們要提願版嗎那提願版的時候當然委員這個建議還有我們都會一併納入考量對因為\n\n09:24.511 --> 09:53.503\n以前你們就提過了我是提醒你們不要再遺漏那這個東西事實上是很公平的因為這是當初加入WTO原來金馬地區是菸酒專賣制度產生的財務衝擊所以那時候才會提出這一點這已經是民國我想這個國會署署長很了解嘛這是你管的這個稅嘛民國九十一年就已經有提出這個制度了吧只是說因為財化延宕這麼多年一直沒有修嘛那既然這次這個財政部已經要提出願辦了請問把這一條也一併按照以往不管是哪一個黨執政都提出來條例不要忘掉這一條可以嗎\n\n09:54.983 --> 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好 謝謝部長好 謝謝 謝謝署長好 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