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00:01:25,662\n那再加上災後復原重建的經費這個對於財力及次第五級的台東縣來說絕對是龐大的負擔這需要中央跟北京來合作來解決我們北省的問題那接下來我想要請院長部長看一段影片\n\n5\n00:01:29,597 --> 00:01:41,490\n路面滿是溪水已經看不到原本的道路這是位在泰馬里山金輪溪盤的部落聯絡道路由於連日降雨造成泰馬里山金輪溪暴漲溪水從堤防攻城\n\n6\n00:01:43,295 --> 00:02:02,449\n這個是0728豪雨期間泰瑪麗鄉金輪溪那個溪水暴漲的這個潰堤的畫面那先前在本席的強力者爭取下成功讓丹利斯颱風以及728豪雨災後重建特別條例把台東縣也納入這個條文說明裡面確保我們台東不會被遺忘\n\n7\n00:02:03,229 --> 00:02:22,969\n在這邊我也要感謝經濟部這兩年跟本縣跟台南管政府持續的爭取下成功爭取到中央核定10億的傾訴還有災後復建的經費包括去年山頭河颱風河川淤積的緊急輸進工程還有今年丹麗寺颱風以及0728豪雨的災後重建經費\n\n8\n00:02:24,190 --> 00:02:43,878\n想請院長簡單的回應這部分是不是可以督促我們經濟部還有相關單位如時如期的來執行全力的協助地方災後復原及重建請院長回應如果他已經是在特別預算特別的範圍當中我們當然希望盡快的速度能夠讓地方\n\n9\n00:02:44,915 --> 00:03:13,902\n得到在災區的民眾能夠恢復正常包括耕作包括生活尤其是農作的部分謝謝院長現在還有一個影響台東鄉親的一個很大的問題就是我們台東的鳳梅沙每年大概秋冬強勁的東北季風都會刮起沙塵影響我們居民的生活品質還有行車的安全台東縣從我們前縣長黃建勤時期就跟水利署來共同合作用水覆蓋的工法有效的改善鳳梅沙的問題\n\n10\n00:03:14,662 --> 00:03:32,345\n那水利署跟台東縣政府這每年也都有進行改善工程但是因為這幾年齁連續的颱風跟豪大雨也造成相關的設施都被重回那紅白沙都再次出現那很多地方像縱谷地區台東市都民眾都在抱怨齁所以這邊我要請院長跟部長再看這個影片\n\n11\n00:03:36,559 --> 00:03:47,304\n一波波風沙席捲而來將整片北南溪河闖染的灰蒙蒙大量細沙隨風飄散往鄰近部落跟社區吹去受到東北季風增強\n\n12\n00:03:51,488 --> 00:04:18,985\n很像在拍電影拍電影黃沙滾滾居民苦不堪言我們若是吃飯挑沙連穿開都有沙這個如果對呼吸道比較脆弱的年長者或是小孩影響更大所以曾本席要求經濟部必須在十二月中以前完成抑制風飛沙的改善工程以確保接下來我們東北季風風飛沙對台東居民的影響能夠降到最低\n\n13\n00:04:19,605 --> 00:04:31,935\n如果說地方有經費需要追加的需求也務必全力來協助請部長回去是不是可以立即來交辦來處理請部長回應可以可以我們立即來交辦感謝感謝部長那真的很辛苦\n\n14\n00:04:35,657 --> 00:04:59,450\n還有雲林可能也會有我們會一併來趕快處理謝謝部長接下來我們再討論有關於電感地下化的議題本席要跟卓院長來請教今年8月我們院長到台東勘栽的時候有提到丹利寺颱風造成全國100多萬戶停電0728的豪雨也造成5萬多戶的停電楊柳颱風也造成30多萬戶停電\n\n15\n00:05:00,530 --> 00:05:24,664\n政府必須要解決颱風造成停電的問題電纜地下化就是關鍵吧這個不但可以減輕許多災後復原還有減輕我們重建的負擔院長當天也有提到說會要求經濟部跟台電啟動全國電纜地下化的評估像是台東就是優先的地區之一我想要請教院長目前評估的工作如何請院長回答\n\n16\n00:05:25,189 --> 00:05:51,343\n台電已經啟動這樣的一個全國性的分析針對包括地層下限易淹水地區或是地質脆弱地區排除在外之外對那個迎風面特別強的幾個我是記得有幾個路線他們已經展開第一期的這個設計跟籌劃的工作是不是請部長能夠再說明是因為我們這一次的特別預算大概有編了80億來做這樣的事情\n\n17\n00:05:52,859 --> 00:06:11,481\n當然81要實施到全台灣當然是不夠的我們後續會陸續來編針對81的部分我們就像剛才院長提到的我們針對一些比較合適的而且急迫性的區域我們就優先來實施先這樣來做一些處理\n\n18\n00:06:11,741 --> 00:06:34,449\n這個非常重要是不是兩個禮拜內可以提供本席份可以啦兩個禮拜提供本席份台東這個區域電暖地下化的這個規劃跟報告我們這個選擇出來會跟地方政府或是跟委員討論一下那個地方是不是優先來實施感謝博定感謝那再來我們再討論這個有關於水菌改善的問題這個邀請農業部部長\n\n19\n00:06:37,212 --> 00:07:05,961\n那個剛剛我們有提到關於災後重建的這個預算包括核酸的傾輸還有水利設施的費用還有一個重點就是農水路的灌溉到現在還沒有解決每年只要豪大雨台中幾個重要的幾個水郡像是關山池上鹿野跟北南的土地他就可能因為被豪雨沖沖回沒有辦法飲水影響農業的灌溉今天的丹利寺颱風跟0728豪雨又再次發生同樣的問題\n\n20\n00:07:06,721 --> 00:07:15,452\n造成台東縣這次二期稻作的茶養時間整個往後延嚴重影響稻農的生計保證很多農民都在懷念像這種事情\n\n21\n00:07:17,236 --> 00:07:37,041\n就是因為我們現在的感覺就是用現有的土地去擋水嘛它只要遇到豪雨它就整個土地被沖垮所以民眾都說水這麼多溪水這麼多我就看它在用不著啊所以農民都會問說到底什麼時候才可以根本的改善農業部到底有沒有辦法來解決本省也要具體要求農業部要立即的來研議關山\n\n22\n00:07:39,442 --> 00:07:47,239\n池上、鹿野、北南的水峻改善計畫並優先的編列經費來進行改善守護我們台東地區的農民生計請保證來回應\n\n23\n00:07:49,106 --> 00:08:15,035\n我跟委員報告今年我大概去台東三四蓋特別在關山這邊的部分所以我們有一個計畫就是系統性的去解決台東地區的一個進入的一個灌溉從溪中然後拉到上面去做這個蓄水池然後再放下來所以我們現在已經有一個完整的規劃我們希望說透過這樣的一個方式能夠讓我們的水是最有效的利用\n\n24\n00:08:15,515 --> 00:08:27,687\n好謝謝部長部長這個是不是在一個月內也可以提供資料給本席辦公室好我們會後我想我請農水組來提供感謝博定那我們提到的風災就是要提到根據這個災害救助的部分\n\n25\n00:08:28,598 --> 00:08:54,708\n那因為這幾年隨著極端氣候的影響天災頻率越來越高光是這兩年我們剛才看到風災對台湯澤行的榮順就高達12億啦12億元那我們現行的這個救助法規的規定卻趕不上天災的頻率跟受災害的程度像今年的寒海很多農民他已經申請過天然災害補助沒有想到今年夏天颱風又來好雨又來那他這樣子就沒有辦法再申請嘛那問題是\n\n26\n00:08:58,752 --> 00:09:13,005\n每次的災害他可能都造成農民血本無歸還有另外一個狀況就是說現行的這個天然災害救助是用救助金是用成本的20%去計算但是災情他可能會造成農作全毀而且還需要\n\n27\n00:09:13,866 --> 00:09:34,794\n復原的成本所以你20%的救助金根本是沒夠的嘛這沒辦法去補充我們農民的基本的生活那今年八月份的時候卓院長在立法院備詢的時候其實有承諾說要提高我們天然災害救助金的上限那會請農業部盡快的來規劃那目前已經過了三個月了那我想請教院長目前規劃的進度是如何\n\n28\n00:09:35,533 --> 00:09:55,793\n我先跟委員報告就是有關天然災害本身的一個救助的整個制度的改變我們現在已經在規劃了但是我們過往就是每半年調整一次所以預計會在年底之前會做一個調整然後第二年開始實施因為已經發生的東西你去調整的時候那會造成很多的混亂\n\n29\n00:09:57,809 --> 00:10:19,699\n就是現在已經三個月了那規劃大概是有沒有一個雛形出來我們現在規劃差不多因為不只是世嘉齁包括特別是西部的非常多的這些作物我們同步在做檢討那檢討完了以後我們在年底的時候就會公告新的一個辦法包括它的一個補助的一個比例我們是不是可以將你們目前已經規劃的資料也跟本席幫這邊的聯繫一下\n\n30\n00:10:20,799 --> 00:10:50,368\n很抱歉喔我想我們在整個完成的時候我們才會對外公告在這個之前也不方便我們可以跟委員討論就沒問題OK好部長你知道本席的意思啦其實你們都很了解每年都是遇到一樣的情況啦不過我知道我們對香蕉啊我都希望它那個安全性我們那個已經有補助了那個叫什麼桿子我覺得要加強要施生要加強那個上次院長在台東的時候對鳳梨施加的那個有沒有\n\n31\n00:10:53,370 --> 00:11:16,248\n本席有兩點建議第一個就是說我們要放寬現行天然災害救助上限的規定我們得以因應極端的氣候專案認定重災區的天然災害救助次數的上限我們把它放寬來幫助農民度過難關第二個就是我們因應物價還有產業成本的上漲調高天然災害的救助金額來保障農民的基本生計這邊也請院長來承諾\n\n32\n00:11:18,450 --> 00:11:45,561\n也責成我們農業部在兩週內趕快把一份報告給本席辦公室我是不是可以跟委員說明您這兩個元的就是我們在做這個天然災害救助的辦法的一個調整但是我剛才說了天然災害辦法的調整我們大概會在年底之前大概12月初我們就會公告然後不要說兩個禮拜就給你因為我們包括了所有的作物要一起時間差不多現在在兩個禮拜差不多了部長這部分再請跟辦公室這邊聯繫\n\n33\n00:11:46,860 --> 00:12:13,239\n那最後一個就是要來為台東的私家農請命就是去年中國大陸也取消了台灣私家零關稅的這個政策那我覺得這個一定會影響到台東整個私家的這個銷售量那加上今年喔市價可能會大出因為照這個情況沒有風災的情況下十二月份到一月初會有私家會大出藉此這些農民的薪水該怎麼辦雖然台東縣很積極的在推廣這個通路但是關稅的問題\n\n34\n00:12:15,222 --> 00:12:26,326\n你要怎麼樣解決世家的穩定產量要怎麼維護你要怎麼輔導農民讓他能夠有轉做的方式我想中央必須要有更多的作為因為時間的關係我想這部分也請農業部將你們這樣討論的結果來跟本席這邊來報告\n\n35\n00:12:52,967 --> 00:12:53,508\n謝謝黃建斌委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n789\t18037\t請黃建斌委員請咨詢謝謝主席我們有請行政院卓院長跟經濟部鞏部長麻煩再請行政院卓院長經濟部長備詢\n25561\t52739\t黃委員好 院長好 部長好本席首先要針對這個風電的議題表達對中央的肯定在本席跟我們阪風電自救會共同的要求下我們中央終於願意發出公文明確的表示不贊成台東陸域風電的開發案守護我們美麗的海岸線那這也代表台東的心聲終於被中央聽見那接下來議題也希望中央能夠繼續聆聽地方的聲音\n53559\t68536\t那這幾年極端氣候的影響之下我們台東位於這個海景第一排每一次颱風來就是首當其衝那造成的這個農損損失非常的巨大像我們資料這邊看到的這兩年颱風造成台東的這個農損金額就高達12億\n70879\t85662\t那再加上災後復原重建的經費這個對於財力及次第五級的台東縣來說絕對是龐大的負擔這需要中央跟北京來合作來解決我們北省的問題那接下來我想要請院長部長看一段影片\n89597\t101490\t路面滿是溪水已經看不到原本的道路這是位在泰馬里山金輪溪盤的部落聯絡道路由於連日降雨造成泰馬里山金輪溪暴漲溪水從堤防攻城\n103295\t122449\t這個是0728豪雨期間泰瑪麗鄉金輪溪那個溪水暴漲的這個潰堤的畫面那先前在本席的強力者爭取下成功讓丹利斯颱風以及728豪雨災後重建特別條例把台東縣也納入這個條文說明裡面確保我們台東不會被遺忘\n123229\t142969\t在這邊我也要感謝經濟部這兩年跟本縣跟台南管政府持續的爭取下成功爭取到中央核定10億的傾訴還有災後復建的經費包括去年山頭河颱風河川淤積的緊急輸進工程還有今年丹麗寺颱風以及0728豪雨的災後重建經費\n144190\t163878\t想請院長簡單的回應這部分是不是可以督促我們經濟部還有相關單位如時如期的來執行全力的協助地方災後復原及重建請院長回應如果他已經是在特別預算特別的範圍當中我們當然希望盡快的速度能夠讓地方\n164915\t193902\t得到在災區的民眾能夠恢復正常包括耕作包括生活尤其是農作的部分謝謝院長現在還有一個影響台東鄉親的一個很大的問題就是我們台東的鳳梅沙每年大概秋冬強勁的東北季風都會刮起沙塵影響我們居民的生活品質還有行車的安全台東縣從我們前縣長黃建勤時期就跟水利署來共同合作用水覆蓋的工法有效的改善鳳梅沙的問題\n194662\t212345\t那水利署跟台東縣政府這每年也都有進行改善工程但是因為這幾年齁連續的颱風跟豪大雨也造成相關的設施都被重回那紅白沙都再次出現那很多地方像縱谷地區台東市都民眾都在抱怨齁所以這邊我要請院長跟部長再看這個影片\n216559\t227304\t一波波風沙席捲而來將整片北南溪河闖染的灰蒙蒙大量細沙隨風飄散往鄰近部落跟社區吹去受到東北季風增強\n231488\t258985\t很像在拍電影 拍電影黃沙滾滾 居民苦不堪言我們若是吃飯挑沙 連穿開都有沙這個如果對呼吸道比較脆弱的年長者或是小孩影響更大所以曾本席要求經濟部必須在十二月中以前完成抑制風飛沙的改善工程以確保接下來我們東北季風風飛沙對台東居民的影響能夠降到最低\n259605\t271935\t如果說地方有經費需要追加的需求也務必全力來協助 請部長回去是不是可以立即來交辦來處理 請部長回應可以 可以 我們立即來交辦感謝 感謝部長 那真的很辛苦\n275657\t299450\t還有雲林可能也會有我們會一併來趕快處理謝謝部長接下來我們再討論有關於電感地下化的議題本席要跟卓院長來請教今年8月我們院長到台東勘栽的時候有提到丹利寺颱風造成全國100多萬戶停電0728的豪雨也造成5萬多戶的停電楊柳颱風也造成30多萬戶停電\n300530\t324664\t政府必須要解決颱風造成停電的問題電纜地下化就是關鍵吧這個不但可以減輕許多災後復原還有減輕我們重建的負擔院長當天也有提到說會要求經濟部跟台電啟動全國電纜地下化的評估像是台東就是優先的地區之一我想要請教院長目前評估的工作如何請院長回答\n325189\t351343\t台電已經啟動這樣的一個全國性的分析針對包括地層下限易淹水地區或是地質脆弱地區排除在外之外對那個迎風面特別強的幾個我是記得有幾個路線他們已經展開第一期的這個設計跟籌劃的工作是不是請部長能夠再說明是 因為我們這一次的特別預算大概有編了80億來做這樣的事情\n352859\t371481\t當然81要實施到全台灣當然是不夠的我們後續會陸續來編針對81的部分我們就像剛才院長提到的我們針對一些比較合適的而且急迫性的區域我們就優先來實施先這樣來做一些處理\n371741\t394449\t這個非常重要 是不是兩個禮拜內可以提供本席份可以啦 兩個禮拜提供本席份台東這個區域電暖地下化的這個規劃跟報告我們這個選擇出來會跟地方政府或是跟委員討論一下那個地方是不是優先來實施感謝博定 感謝那再來我們再討論這個有關於水菌改善的問題這個邀請農業部部長\n397212\t425961\t那個剛剛我們有提到關於災後重建的這個預算包括核酸的傾輸還有水利設施的費用還有一個重點就是農水路的灌溉到現在還沒有解決每年只要豪大雨台中幾個重要的幾個水郡像是關山池上鹿野跟北南的土地他就可能因為被豪雨沖沖回沒有辦法飲水影響農業的灌溉今天的丹利寺颱風跟0728豪雨又再次發生同樣的問題\n426721\t435452\t造成台東縣這次二期稻作的茶養時間整個往後延嚴重影響稻農的生計保證很多農民都在懷念像這種事情\n437236\t457041\t就是因為我們現在的感覺就是用現有的土地去擋水嘛它只要遇到豪雨它就整個土地被沖垮所以民眾都說水這麼多 溪水這麼多我就看它在用不著啊所以農民都會問說到底什麼時候才可以根本的改善農業部到底有沒有辦法來解決本省也要具體要求農業部要立即的來研議關山\n459442\t467239\t池上、鹿野、北南的水峻改善計畫並優先的編列經費來進行改善守護我們台東地區的農民生計請保證來回應\n469106\t495035\t我跟委員報告今年我大概去台東三四蓋特別在關山這邊的部分所以我們有一個計畫就是系統性的去解決台東地區的一個進入的一個灌溉從溪中然後拉到上面去做這個蓄水池然後再放下來所以我們現在已經有一個完整的規劃我們希望說透過這樣的一個方式能夠讓我們的水是最有效的利用\n495515\t507687\t好 謝謝部長部長這個是不是在一個月內也可以提供資料給本席辦公室好 我們會後我想我請農水組來提供感謝博定那我們提到的風災就是要提到根據這個災害救助的部分\n508598\t534708\t那因為這幾年隨著極端氣候的影響天災頻率越來越高光是這兩年我們剛才看到風災對台湯澤行的榮順就高達12億啦 12億元那我們現行的這個救助法規的規定卻趕不上天災的頻率跟受災害的程度像今年的寒海很多農民他已經申請過天然災害補助沒有想到今年夏天颱風又來 好雨又來那他這樣子就沒有辦法再申請嘛那問題是\n538752\t553005\t每次的災害他可能都造成農民血本無歸還有另外一個狀況就是說現行的這個天然災害救助是用救助金是用成本的20%去計算但是災情他可能會造成農作全毀而且還需要\n553866\t574794\t復原的成本所以你20%的救助金根本是沒夠的嘛這沒辦法去補充我們農民的基本的生活那今年八月份的時候卓院長在立法院備詢的時候其實有承諾說要提高我們天然災害救助金的上限那會請農業部盡快的來規劃那目前已經過了三個月了那我想請教院長目前規劃的進度是如何\n575533\t595793\t我先跟委員報告就是有關天然災害本身的一個救助的整個制度的改變我們現在已經在規劃了但是我們過往就是每半年調整一次所以預計會在年底之前會做一個調整然後第二年開始實施因為已經發生的東西你去調整的時候那會造成很多的混亂\n597809\t619699\t就是現在已經三個月了 那規劃大概是有沒有一個雛形出來我們現在規劃差不多 因為不只是世嘉齁包括特別是西部的非常多的這些作物我們同步在做檢討 那檢討完了以後我們在年底的時候就會公告新的一個辦法 包括它的一個補助的一個比例我們是不是可以將你們目前已經規劃的資料也跟本席幫這邊的聯繫一下\n620799\t650368\t很抱歉喔 我想我們在整個完成的時候我們才會對外公告在這個之前也不方便我們可以跟委員討論就沒問題OK好 部長你知道本席的意思啦其實你們都很了解每年都是遇到一樣的情況啦不過我知道我們對香蕉啊 我都希望它那個安全性我們那個已經有補助了那個叫什麼 桿子我覺得要加強 要施生要加強那個上次院長在台東的時候對鳳梨施加的那個有沒有\n653370\t676248\t本席有兩點建議第一個就是說我們要放寬現行天然災害救助上限的規定我們得以因應極端的氣候專案認定重災區的天然災害救助次數的上限我們把它放寬來幫助農民度過難關第二個就是我們因應物價還有產業成本的上漲調高天然災害的救助金額來保障農民的基本生計這邊也請院長來承諾\n678450\t705561\t也責成我們農業部在兩週內趕快把一份報告給本席辦公室我是不是可以跟委員說明您這兩個元的就是我們在做這個天然災害救助的辦法的一個調整但是我剛才說了天然災害辦法的調整我們大概會在年底之前大概12月初我們就會公告然後不要說兩個禮拜就給你因為我們包括了所有的作物要一起時間差不多現在在兩個禮拜差不多了部長這部分再請跟辦公室這邊聯繫\n706860\t733239\t那最後一個就是要來為台東的私家農請命就是去年中國大陸也取消了台灣私家零關稅的這個政策那我覺得這個一定會影響到台東整個私家的這個銷售量那加上今年喔市價可能會大出因為照這個情況沒有風災的情況下十二月份到一月初會有私家會大出藉此這些農民的薪水該怎麼辦雖然台東縣很積極的在推廣這個通路但是關稅的問題\n735222\t746326\t你要怎麼樣解決世家的穩定產量要怎麼維護你要怎麼輔導農民讓他能夠有轉做的方式我想中央必須要有更多的作為因為時間的關係我想這部分也請農業部將你們這樣討論的結果來跟本席這邊來報告\n772967\t773508\t謝謝黃建斌委員\n","txt":"請黃建斌委員請咨詢謝謝主席我們有請行政院卓院長跟經濟部鞏部長麻煩再請行政院卓院長經濟部長備詢\n黃委員好 院長好 部長好本席首先要針對這個風電的議題表達對中央的肯定在本席跟我們阪風電自救會共同的要求下我們中央終於願意發出公文明確的表示不贊成台東陸域風電的開發案守護我們美麗的海岸線那這也代表台東的心聲終於被中央聽見那接下來議題也希望中央能夠繼續聆聽地方的聲音\n那這幾年極端氣候的影響之下我們台東位於這個海景第一排每一次颱風來就是首當其衝那造成的這個農損損失非常的巨大像我們資料這邊看到的這兩年颱風造成台東的這個農損金額就高達12億\n那再加上災後復原重建的經費這個對於財力及次第五級的台東縣來說絕對是龐大的負擔這需要中央跟北京來合作來解決我們北省的問題那接下來我想要請院長部長看一段影片\n路面滿是溪水已經看不到原本的道路這是位在泰馬里山金輪溪盤的部落聯絡道路由於連日降雨造成泰馬里山金輪溪暴漲溪水從堤防攻城\n這個是0728豪雨期間泰瑪麗鄉金輪溪那個溪水暴漲的這個潰堤的畫面那先前在本席的強力者爭取下成功讓丹利斯颱風以及728豪雨災後重建特別條例把台東縣也納入這個條文說明裡面確保我們台東不會被遺忘\n在這邊我也要感謝經濟部這兩年跟本縣跟台南管政府持續的爭取下成功爭取到中央核定10億的傾訴還有災後復建的經費包括去年山頭河颱風河川淤積的緊急輸進工程還有今年丹麗寺颱風以及0728豪雨的災後重建經費\n想請院長簡單的回應這部分是不是可以督促我們經濟部還有相關單位如時如期的來執行全力的協助地方災後復原及重建請院長回應如果他已經是在特別預算特別的範圍當中我們當然希望盡快的速度能夠讓地方\n得到在災區的民眾能夠恢復正常包括耕作包括生活尤其是農作的部分謝謝院長現在還有一個影響台東鄉親的一個很大的問題就是我們台東的鳳梅沙每年大概秋冬強勁的東北季風都會刮起沙塵影響我們居民的生活品質還有行車的安全台東縣從我們前縣長黃建勤時期就跟水利署來共同合作用水覆蓋的工法有效的改善鳳梅沙的問題\n那水利署跟台東縣政府這每年也都有進行改善工程但是因為這幾年齁連續的颱風跟豪大雨也造成相關的設施都被重回那紅白沙都再次出現那很多地方像縱谷地區台東市都民眾都在抱怨齁所以這邊我要請院長跟部長再看這個影片\n一波波風沙席捲而來將整片北南溪河闖染的灰蒙蒙大量細沙隨風飄散往鄰近部落跟社區吹去受到東北季風增強\n很像在拍電影 拍電影黃沙滾滾 居民苦不堪言我們若是吃飯挑沙 連穿開都有沙這個如果對呼吸道比較脆弱的年長者或是小孩影響更大所以曾本席要求經濟部必須在十二月中以前完成抑制風飛沙的改善工程以確保接下來我們東北季風風飛沙對台東居民的影響能夠降到最低\n如果說地方有經費需要追加的需求也務必全力來協助 請部長回去是不是可以立即來交辦來處理 請部長回應可以 可以 我們立即來交辦感謝 感謝部長 那真的很辛苦\n還有雲林可能也會有我們會一併來趕快處理謝謝部長接下來我們再討論有關於電感地下化的議題本席要跟卓院長來請教今年8月我們院長到台東勘栽的時候有提到丹利寺颱風造成全國100多萬戶停電0728的豪雨也造成5萬多戶的停電楊柳颱風也造成30多萬戶停電\n政府必須要解決颱風造成停電的問題電纜地下化就是關鍵吧這個不但可以減輕許多災後復原還有減輕我們重建的負擔院長當天也有提到說會要求經濟部跟台電啟動全國電纜地下化的評估像是台東就是優先的地區之一我想要請教院長目前評估的工作如何請院長回答\n台電已經啟動這樣的一個全國性的分析針對包括地層下限易淹水地區或是地質脆弱地區排除在外之外對那個迎風面特別強的幾個我是記得有幾個路線他們已經展開第一期的這個設計跟籌劃的工作是不是請部長能夠再說明是 因為我們這一次的特別預算大概有編了80億來做這樣的事情\n當然81要實施到全台灣當然是不夠的我們後續會陸續來編針對81的部分我們就像剛才院長提到的我們針對一些比較合適的而且急迫性的區域我們就優先來實施先這樣來做一些處理\n這個非常重要 是不是兩個禮拜內可以提供本席份可以啦 兩個禮拜提供本席份台東這個區域電暖地下化的這個規劃跟報告我們這個選擇出來會跟地方政府或是跟委員討論一下那個地方是不是優先來實施感謝博定 感謝那再來我們再討論這個有關於水菌改善的問題這個邀請農業部部長\n那個剛剛我們有提到關於災後重建的這個預算包括核酸的傾輸還有水利設施的費用還有一個重點就是農水路的灌溉到現在還沒有解決每年只要豪大雨台中幾個重要的幾個水郡像是關山池上鹿野跟北南的土地他就可能因為被豪雨沖沖回沒有辦法飲水影響農業的灌溉今天的丹利寺颱風跟0728豪雨又再次發生同樣的問題\n造成台東縣這次二期稻作的茶養時間整個往後延嚴重影響稻農的生計保證很多農民都在懷念像這種事情\n就是因為我們現在的感覺就是用現有的土地去擋水嘛它只要遇到豪雨它就整個土地被沖垮所以民眾都說水這麼多 溪水這麼多我就看它在用不著啊所以農民都會問說到底什麼時候才可以根本的改善農業部到底有沒有辦法來解決本省也要具體要求農業部要立即的來研議關山\n池上、鹿野、北南的水峻改善計畫並優先的編列經費來進行改善守護我們台東地區的農民生計請保證來回應\n我跟委員報告今年我大概去台東三四蓋特別在關山這邊的部分所以我們有一個計畫就是系統性的去解決台東地區的一個進入的一個灌溉從溪中然後拉到上面去做這個蓄水池然後再放下來所以我們現在已經有一個完整的規劃我們希望說透過這樣的一個方式能夠讓我們的水是最有效的利用\n好 謝謝部長部長這個是不是在一個月內也可以提供資料給本席辦公室好 我們會後我想我請農水組來提供感謝博定那我們提到的風災就是要提到根據這個災害救助的部分\n那因為這幾年隨著極端氣候的影響天災頻率越來越高光是這兩年我們剛才看到風災對台湯澤行的榮順就高達12億啦 12億元那我們現行的這個救助法規的規定卻趕不上天災的頻率跟受災害的程度像今年的寒海很多農民他已經申請過天然災害補助沒有想到今年夏天颱風又來 好雨又來那他這樣子就沒有辦法再申請嘛那問題是\n每次的災害他可能都造成農民血本無歸還有另外一個狀況就是說現行的這個天然災害救助是用救助金是用成本的20%去計算但是災情他可能會造成農作全毀而且還需要\n復原的成本所以你20%的救助金根本是沒夠的嘛這沒辦法去補充我們農民的基本的生活那今年八月份的時候卓院長在立法院備詢的時候其實有承諾說要提高我們天然災害救助金的上限那會請農業部盡快的來規劃那目前已經過了三個月了那我想請教院長目前規劃的進度是如何\n我先跟委員報告就是有關天然災害本身的一個救助的整個制度的改變我們現在已經在規劃了但是我們過往就是每半年調整一次所以預計會在年底之前會做一個調整然後第二年開始實施因為已經發生的東西你去調整的時候那會造成很多的混亂\n就是現在已經三個月了 那規劃大概是有沒有一個雛形出來我們現在規劃差不多 因為不只是世嘉齁包括特別是西部的非常多的這些作物我們同步在做檢討 那檢討完了以後我們在年底的時候就會公告新的一個辦法 包括它的一個補助的一個比例我們是不是可以將你們目前已經規劃的資料也跟本席幫這邊的聯繫一下\n很抱歉喔 我想我們在整個完成的時候我們才會對外公告在這個之前也不方便我們可以跟委員討論就沒問題OK好 部長你知道本席的意思啦其實你們都很了解每年都是遇到一樣的情況啦不過我知道我們對香蕉啊 我都希望它那個安全性我們那個已經有補助了那個叫什麼 桿子我覺得要加強 要施生要加強那個上次院長在台東的時候對鳳梨施加的那個有沒有\n本席有兩點建議第一個就是說我們要放寬現行天然災害救助上限的規定我們得以因應極端的氣候專案認定重災區的天然災害救助次數的上限我們把它放寬來幫助農民度過難關第二個就是我們因應物價還有產業成本的上漲調高天然災害的救助金額來保障農民的基本生計這邊也請院長來承諾\n也責成我們農業部在兩週內趕快把一份報告給本席辦公室我是不是可以跟委員說明您這兩個元的就是我們在做這個天然災害救助的辦法的一個調整但是我剛才說了天然災害辦法的調整我們大概會在年底之前大概12月初我們就會公告然後不要說兩個禮拜就給你因為我們包括了所有的作物要一起時間差不多現在在兩個禮拜差不多了部長這部分再請跟辦公室這邊聯繫\n那最後一個就是要來為台東的私家農請命就是去年中國大陸也取消了台灣私家零關稅的這個政策那我覺得這個一定會影響到台東整個私家的這個銷售量那加上今年喔市價可能會大出因為照這個情況沒有風災的情況下十二月份到一月初會有私家會大出藉此這些農民的薪水該怎麼辦雖然台東縣很積極的在推廣這個通路但是關稅的問題\n你要怎麼樣解決世家的穩定產量要怎麼維護你要怎麼輔導農民讓他能夠有轉做的方式我想中央必須要有更多的作為因為時間的關係我想這部分也請農業部將你們這樣討論的結果來跟本席這邊來報告\n謝謝黃建斌委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.789 --> 00:18.037\n請黃建斌委員請咨詢謝謝主席我們有請行政院卓院長跟經濟部鞏部長麻煩再請行政院卓院長經濟部長備詢\n\n00:25.561 --> 00:52.739\n黃委員好院長好部長好本席首先要針對這個風電的議題表達對中央的肯定在本席跟我們阪風電自救會共同的要求下我們中央終於願意發出公文明確的表示不贊成台東陸域風電的開發案守護我們美麗的海岸線那這也代表台東的心聲終於被中央聽見那接下來議題也希望中央能夠繼續聆聽地方的聲音\n\n00:53.559 --> 01:08.536\n那這幾年極端氣候的影響之下我們台東位於這個海景第一排每一次颱風來就是首當其衝那造成的這個農損損失非常的巨大像我們資料這邊看到的這兩年颱風造成台東的這個農損金額就高達12億\n\n01:10.879 --> 01:25.662\n那再加上災後復原重建的經費這個對於財力及次第五級的台東縣來說絕對是龐大的負擔這需要中央跟北京來合作來解決我們北省的問題那接下來我想要請院長部長看一段影片\n\n01:29.597 --> 01:41.490\n路面滿是溪水已經看不到原本的道路這是位在泰馬里山金輪溪盤的部落聯絡道路由於連日降雨造成泰馬里山金輪溪暴漲溪水從堤防攻城\n\n01:43.295 --> 02:02.449\n這個是0728豪雨期間泰瑪麗鄉金輪溪那個溪水暴漲的這個潰堤的畫面那先前在本席的強力者爭取下成功讓丹利斯颱風以及728豪雨災後重建特別條例把台東縣也納入這個條文說明裡面確保我們台東不會被遺忘\n\n02:03.229 --> 02:22.969\n在這邊我也要感謝經濟部這兩年跟本縣跟台南管政府持續的爭取下成功爭取到中央核定10億的傾訴還有災後復建的經費包括去年山頭河颱風河川淤積的緊急輸進工程還有今年丹麗寺颱風以及0728豪雨的災後重建經費\n\n02:24.190 --> 02:43.878\n想請院長簡單的回應這部分是不是可以督促我們經濟部還有相關單位如時如期的來執行全力的協助地方災後復原及重建請院長回應如果他已經是在特別預算特別的範圍當中我們當然希望盡快的速度能夠讓地方\n\n02:44.915 --> 03:13.902\n得到在災區的民眾能夠恢復正常包括耕作包括生活尤其是農作的部分謝謝院長現在還有一個影響台東鄉親的一個很大的問題就是我們台東的鳳梅沙每年大概秋冬強勁的東北季風都會刮起沙塵影響我們居民的生活品質還有行車的安全台東縣從我們前縣長黃建勤時期就跟水利署來共同合作用水覆蓋的工法有效的改善鳳梅沙的問題\n\n03:14.662 --> 03:32.345\n那水利署跟台東縣政府這每年也都有進行改善工程但是因為這幾年齁連續的颱風跟豪大雨也造成相關的設施都被重回那紅白沙都再次出現那很多地方像縱谷地區台東市都民眾都在抱怨齁所以這邊我要請院長跟部長再看這個影片\n\n03:36.559 --> 03:47.304\n一波波風沙席捲而來將整片北南溪河闖染的灰蒙蒙大量細沙隨風飄散往鄰近部落跟社區吹去受到東北季風增強\n\n03:51.488 --> 04:18.985\n很像在拍電影拍電影黃沙滾滾居民苦不堪言我們若是吃飯挑沙連穿開都有沙這個如果對呼吸道比較脆弱的年長者或是小孩影響更大所以曾本席要求經濟部必須在十二月中以前完成抑制風飛沙的改善工程以確保接下來我們東北季風風飛沙對台東居民的影響能夠降到最低\n\n04:19.605 --> 04:31.935\n如果說地方有經費需要追加的需求也務必全力來協助請部長回去是不是可以立即來交辦來處理請部長回應可以可以我們立即來交辦感謝感謝部長那真的很辛苦\n\n04:35.657 --> 04:59.450\n還有雲林可能也會有我們會一併來趕快處理謝謝部長接下來我們再討論有關於電感地下化的議題本席要跟卓院長來請教今年8月我們院長到台東勘栽的時候有提到丹利寺颱風造成全國100多萬戶停電0728的豪雨也造成5萬多戶的停電楊柳颱風也造成30多萬戶停電\n\n05:00.530 --> 05:24.664\n政府必須要解決颱風造成停電的問題電纜地下化就是關鍵吧這個不但可以減輕許多災後復原還有減輕我們重建的負擔院長當天也有提到說會要求經濟部跟台電啟動全國電纜地下化的評估像是台東就是優先的地區之一我想要請教院長目前評估的工作如何請院長回答\n\n05:25.189 --> 05:51.343\n台電已經啟動這樣的一個全國性的分析針對包括地層下限易淹水地區或是地質脆弱地區排除在外之外對那個迎風面特別強的幾個我是記得有幾個路線他們已經展開第一期的這個設計跟籌劃的工作是不是請部長能夠再說明是因為我們這一次的特別預算大概有編了80億來做這樣的事情\n\n05:52.859 --> 06:11.481\n當然81要實施到全台灣當然是不夠的我們後續會陸續來編針對81的部分我們就像剛才院長提到的我們針對一些比較合適的而且急迫性的區域我們就優先來實施先這樣來做一些處理\n\n06:11.741 --> 06:34.449\n這個非常重要是不是兩個禮拜內可以提供本席份可以啦兩個禮拜提供本席份台東這個區域電暖地下化的這個規劃跟報告我們這個選擇出來會跟地方政府或是跟委員討論一下那個地方是不是優先來實施感謝博定感謝那再來我們再討論這個有關於水菌改善的問題這個邀請農業部部長\n\n06:37.212 --> 07:05.961\n那個剛剛我們有提到關於災後重建的這個預算包括核酸的傾輸還有水利設施的費用還有一個重點就是農水路的灌溉到現在還沒有解決每年只要豪大雨台中幾個重要的幾個水郡像是關山池上鹿野跟北南的土地他就可能因為被豪雨沖沖回沒有辦法飲水影響農業的灌溉今天的丹利寺颱風跟0728豪雨又再次發生同樣的問題\n\n07:06.721 --> 07:15.452\n造成台東縣這次二期稻作的茶養時間整個往後延嚴重影響稻農的生計保證很多農民都在懷念像這種事情\n\n07:17.236 --> 07:37.041\n就是因為我們現在的感覺就是用現有的土地去擋水嘛它只要遇到豪雨它就整個土地被沖垮所以民眾都說水這麼多溪水這麼多我就看它在用不著啊所以農民都會問說到底什麼時候才可以根本的改善農業部到底有沒有辦法來解決本省也要具體要求農業部要立即的來研議關山\n\n07:39.442 --> 07:47.239\n池上、鹿野、北南的水峻改善計畫並優先的編列經費來進行改善守護我們台東地區的農民生計請保證來回應\n\n07:49.106 --> 08:15.035\n我跟委員報告今年我大概去台東三四蓋特別在關山這邊的部分所以我們有一個計畫就是系統性的去解決台東地區的一個進入的一個灌溉從溪中然後拉到上面去做這個蓄水池然後再放下來所以我們現在已經有一個完整的規劃我們希望說透過這樣的一個方式能夠讓我們的水是最有效的利用\n\n08:15.515 --> 08:27.687\n好謝謝部長部長這個是不是在一個月內也可以提供資料給本席辦公室好我們會後我想我請農水組來提供感謝博定那我們提到的風災就是要提到根據這個災害救助的部分\n\n08:28.598 --> 08:54.708\n那因為這幾年隨著極端氣候的影響天災頻率越來越高光是這兩年我們剛才看到風災對台湯澤行的榮順就高達12億啦12億元那我們現行的這個救助法規的規定卻趕不上天災的頻率跟受災害的程度像今年的寒海很多農民他已經申請過天然災害補助沒有想到今年夏天颱風又來好雨又來那他這樣子就沒有辦法再申請嘛那問題是\n\n08:58.752 --> 09:13.005\n每次的災害他可能都造成農民血本無歸還有另外一個狀況就是說現行的這個天然災害救助是用救助金是用成本的20%去計算但是災情他可能會造成農作全毀而且還需要\n\n09:13.866 --> 09:34.794\n復原的成本所以你20%的救助金根本是沒夠的嘛這沒辦法去補充我們農民的基本的生活那今年八月份的時候卓院長在立法院備詢的時候其實有承諾說要提高我們天然災害救助金的上限那會請農業部盡快的來規劃那目前已經過了三個月了那我想請教院長目前規劃的進度是如何\n\n09:35.533 --> 09:55.793\n我先跟委員報告就是有關天然災害本身的一個救助的整個制度的改變我們現在已經在規劃了但是我們過往就是每半年調整一次所以預計會在年底之前會做一個調整然後第二年開始實施因為已經發生的東西你去調整的時候那會造成很多的混亂\n\n09:57.809 --> 10:19.699\n就是現在已經三個月了那規劃大概是有沒有一個雛形出來我們現在規劃差不多因為不只是世嘉齁包括特別是西部的非常多的這些作物我們同步在做檢討那檢討完了以後我們在年底的時候就會公告新的一個辦法包括它的一個補助的一個比例我們是不是可以將你們目前已經規劃的資料也跟本席幫這邊的聯繫一下\n\n10:20.799 --> 10:50.368\n很抱歉喔我想我們在整個完成的時候我們才會對外公告在這個之前也不方便我們可以跟委員討論就沒問題OK好部長你知道本席的意思啦其實你們都很了解每年都是遇到一樣的情況啦不過我知道我們對香蕉啊我都希望它那個安全性我們那個已經有補助了那個叫什麼桿子我覺得要加強要施生要加強那個上次院長在台東的時候對鳳梨施加的那個有沒有\n\n10:53.370 --> 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感謝那再來我們再討論這個有關於水菌改善的問題這個邀請農業部部長"},{"start":397.212,"end":425.961,"text":"那個剛剛我們有提到關於災後重建的這個預算包括核酸的傾輸還有水利設施的費用還有一個重點就是農水路的灌溉到現在還沒有解決每年只要豪大雨台中幾個重要的幾個水郡像是關山池上鹿野跟北南的土地他就可能因為被豪雨沖沖回沒有辦法飲水影響農業的灌溉今天的丹利寺颱風跟0728豪雨又再次發生同樣的問題"},{"start":426.721,"end":435.452,"text":"造成台東縣這次二期稻作的茶養時間整個往後延嚴重影響稻農的生計保證很多農民都在懷念像這種事情"},{"start":437.236,"end":457.041,"text":"就是因為我們現在的感覺就是用現有的土地去擋水嘛它只要遇到豪雨它就整個土地被沖垮所以民眾都說水這麼多 溪水這麼多我就看它在用不著啊所以農民都會問說到底什麼時候才可以根本的改善農業部到底有沒有辦法來解決本省也要具體要求農業部要立即的來研議關山"},{"start":459.442,"end":467.239,"text":"池上、鹿野、北南的水峻改善計畫並優先的編列經費來進行改善守護我們台東地區的農民生計請保證來回應"},{"start":469.106,"end":495.035,"text":"我跟委員報告今年我大概去台東三四蓋特別在關山這邊的部分所以我們有一個計畫就是系統性的去解決台東地區的一個進入的一個灌溉從溪中然後拉到上面去做這個蓄水池然後再放下來所以我們現在已經有一個完整的規劃我們希望說透過這樣的一個方式能夠讓我們的水是最有效的利用"},{"start":495.515,"end":507.687,"text":"好 謝謝部長部長這個是不是在一個月內也可以提供資料給本席辦公室好 我們會後我想我請農水組來提供感謝博定那我們提到的風災就是要提到根據這個災害救助的部分"},{"start":508.598,"end":534.708,"text":"那因為這幾年隨著極端氣候的影響天災頻率越來越高光是這兩年我們剛才看到風災對台湯澤行的榮順就高達12億啦 12億元那我們現行的這個救助法規的規定卻趕不上天災的頻率跟受災害的程度像今年的寒海很多農民他已經申請過天然災害補助沒有想到今年夏天颱風又來 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送到研究室，好嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：好。"],["主席：好，謝謝。","接下來登記第17位高金素梅委員之質詢改書面，請行政院書面答復，並列入紀錄，刊登公報。"],["委員高金素梅書面質詢：","美國總統川普2025年亞洲之行，先後和馬來西亞、泰國、柬埔寨、越南、日本、韓國確認了貿易協議。在這些國家中，與我們在國際貿易上比較具有競爭關係的，就是日本和韓國了。","川普分別在10月28和29號與日本以及韓國政府確認了七月底談定的貿易協議具體內容。這兩項協議之中，都包括了：關稅稅率、投資承諾、投資重點、市場開放規模、提高國防預算等項目。顯然，這些項目正是美國政府「關稅換投資」策略中，討價還價的談判武器。","這次美國制定對等關稅時的主要依據，就是美國經濟分析局所提出的「2024年美國貿易逆差排行榜」，而我們中華民國與日本和韓國都排進了前十名。日本排名第八，美國的逆差是685億美元。韓國排名第九，美國的逆差是660億美元。至於我們，排名第七，美國逆差是739億。根據中央銀行楊金龍總裁最近的預估，今年美國對我們的逆差將進一步升高到1,200億美元！從這樣貿易逆差數據的比較看來，美國對我們中華民國的貿易施壓，只會比日本韓國更大，貿易談判的結果，根本不樂觀。","那到底有多不樂觀呢？從政府到今天為止還吞吞吐吐，不願說明具體細節的態度，就能知道情況有多嚴重。但就算政府不敢說，在台美貿易談判過程中，許多蛛絲馬跡早就浮現，加上美方時不時地提出他們敲詐勒索的條件，貿易談判的結果已經呼之欲出。我們就依據日本、韓國與美國簽訂貿易協議的框架，推斷台美之間的談判結果，應該就是：","1.關稅稅率：15%，不疊加關稅。","2.對美投資的承諾與重點：","a.對美國擴大投資的總額是4,000億美元，其中台積電赴美投資1650億，台灣半導體產業生態系連動遷廠到美國投資約2,000億（目前仍然有350億的缺口）。","b.能源購買：投資建設阿拉斯加天然氣管道200億，設施2030年完成後，每年購買600萬噸天然氣。","c.台灣半導體的國際市佔率，兩年之內與美國五五分。","3.中華民國對美國的產品及農產品零關稅全面開放投資與市場，解除所有美方所謂的「貿易障礙」。","4.增加國防預算：2030年前，中華民國國防預算達到GDP 5%，約1兆三千億台幣。","依據這樣的協議框架，台灣對美國的貿易談判結果，根本就是血本無歸。而民進黨政府為了掩蓋談判慘敗，所捏造的那些政治話術，都將在美國明碼標價的敲詐勒索之前，一一被搓破。","例如，行政院副院長鄭麗君信誓旦旦絕不接受的「台美晶片產能五五分」的宣示，美國總統川普亞洲之行後就公開宣布：「2年內，我們將占據40%到50%的晶片市場」。顯然美國並不接受民進黨政府的主張，美國不接受，台灣的談判小組就不敢堅持。又例如，經濟部長龔明鑫所謂的：「到美國去設立類科學園區是量能延伸」的說法，也已經被川普打臉。川普說：「……各大公司正從台灣撤離。他們因為關稅而湧入美國，若沒有課關稅，他們就不會這麼做。」半導體產業帶著量能外移美國，讓美國再次偉大，才是實況。","就算民進黨政府要將半導體的先進製程和研發保留在台灣，副總統蕭美琴已經承諾要遷移到美國的整個半導體產業生態系，也將會在美國生產。對半導體產業的公司而言，產品課關稅還是零關稅有那麼難選擇嗎？這不是政府所宣傳的「企業自主規劃的台灣模式」，這是企業為了生存、不得不出走美國的唯一出路。這不是產業外移，什麼才是產業外移呢？","此外，民進黨政府在擴大對美國投資的「台灣模式」中，所強調的「產業投資由台灣企業自主規劃、政府整合；政府建立金融信用保證機制，鼓勵投資」的方式，顯然不符合美國政府最近所簽署的貿易協議的相關規格。美國對於日韓投資美國，都提出了具體的金額，韓國是3,500億美元，日本是5,500億美元，美國甚至對於這個投資項目的運用方式和操作細節都有所規定，美國和日本甚至還成立了投資的雙邊委員會，美國有權決定投資的項目。","如果，民進黨政府在這次貿易談判中所追求的目標之一就是把關稅從20%降低到15%，並且不疊加，那同是關稅15%不疊加的日本和韓國已經付出的代價，中華民國憑什麼能夠是例外呢？行政院的談判團隊和美國談判得越久，談判的空間就被擠壓得越小，中華民國全民要付出的代價就會越來越大。別的不說，光是台美談判情況不明，就衝擊了產業界，像台灣績優的產業捷安特，就被美國以「強迫勞動」的名義，扣押了產品，截至10月份，台灣被強迫休無薪假的勞工就超過了8,500人。","所以，全台灣的老百姓都想知道：","這次的台美關稅貿易談判，台灣要付出多大的代價，去幫「美國再次偉大」？","如果民進黨政府一定要用那麼巨大的代價討好美國，那這些代價會是什麼？","中華民國如果開放美國所有產品進口零關稅，請問這些美國產品進口的市場量能有多大？台灣產業將在這一波衝擊中，遭受多大的損失？","中華民國如果要依照美國和賴清德總統的意見，替美國「排除非關稅貿易障礙」，台灣的產業和食品安全會遭受多大的損衝擊和損失？","一旦中華民國和美國確認了關稅貿易協議，台灣的半導體產業和生態系，還有其他產業將會有多少公司和廠商外移到美國？這樣的產業外移將會製造出多少失業人口？","這些問題，行政院必須提供詳盡的數據、資料以及推估結果。","眼看中華民國與美國的關稅貿易協定即將公布，台灣人民想要聽到的，不會再是民進黨政府的官員們粉飾太平的話術了，大家想要知道的是具體的損失，還有止損方案。"],["主席：接下來，本日最後一位質詢委員，請賴惠員委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":84,"meet_id":"院會-11-4-8","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","牛煦庭","王鴻薇","陳超明","郭昱晴","邱志偉","謝龍介","廖先翔","林岱樺","黃建賓","高金素梅","賴惠員"],"page_start":39,"meetingDate":["2025-11-07"],"gazette_id":"1149101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1149101_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期第8次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1149101_00004"}}}