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00:02:39,587\n那國人應該給予更多的鼓勵甚至希望帶回來更好的訊息而不是用這樣的方式在抵消我們自己的作戰的士氣或者對外的努力的工作我覺得這個是值得我們深思的但就目前為止這個事情總統府已經正式的否認而且予以駁斥那我們循正常的管道循檢調單位在做這個不實的散播謠言者一定要做進一步的追查\n\n7\n00:02:40,063 --> 00:03:00,917\n我要請院長要密切的而且要嚴厲的要求這個真的要做到要防止網路謠言不斷的造謠這樣的造謠我要跟院長報告我昨天一天在很多不同的地方群組就已經看到這樣子的謠言跟圖卡\n\n8\n00:03:01,417 --> 00:03:16,393\n那我覺得這個是不是外力的介入我想大家自有心證但是呢我們的國安團隊一定要嚴正的來第一個制止第二個該法律提告的一定要告到底\n\n9\n00:03:16,793 --> 00:03:36,621\n我們一定要用各種方式來遏止這樣子惡意抵消我們全國大家共同認為感到驕傲而且這麼多人努力才有這麼巧妙的安排讓我們的副總統站上這個國際的舞台到歐洲議會來演講所以院長我要拜託你一定要堅持原則嚴查宿辦\n\n10\n00:03:38,402 --> 00:04:01,358\n研查速辦剛剛院長有提到當我們的副總統可以站上國際舞台但是看到另外這幾天大家覺得不可思議的是國民黨主席好像樂於站上中國的舞台不知道院長還有沒有印象2012年的立委選舉何新淳一直在這裡\n\n11\n00:04:03,468 --> 00:04:33,048\n對上的是現在的國民黨主席鄭麗文的未來在這裡我一直在台中一直在台中為台中努力一直在為台灣努力那看到當時候的對手鄭麗文他在當選國民黨主席的第一時間我也有恭喜他祝福他但是呢從他當選主席到現在的所有的言論好像讓國人覺得非常的不可思議而且非常的擔憂所以委員是有實力打敗國民黨主席的人\n\n12\n00:04:34,209 --> 00:04:52,026\n謝謝所以院長對於鄭麗文最後當選的國民黨主席看一下她的選舉公報當時候她對地方也有很多政見然後我今天看到她明天生日也要先祝她生日快樂\n\n13\n00:04:54,054 --> 00:05:09,073\n很高興的是我的鄉親做了對的選擇讓我有機會能夠服務也能夠站上這個舞台但是我覺得以他最近的這些言論甚至去參加所謂的秋季\n\n14\n00:05:10,314 --> 00:05:38,626\n國家的歷史跟尊嚴絕對不容扭曲而且我相信他做的這一個動作第一個民眾黨黨主席黃國昌他也不以為然他說無實是共諜並非政治受難者國民黨自己內部的也有很大的聲音包括他們的前青年部副主任也槓上了現在的鄭麗文主席說追思無實踐踏國家尊嚴\n\n15\n00:05:41,113 --> 00:06:08,659\n剛剛院長有提到我們的副總統好不容易站上了國際的舞台但是我們看到現在的第一大的在野黨的黨主席竟然站上了好像是中國的舞台那院長您對鄭麗文主席的這個看法身為一個主要在野黨的主席對參加一個活動本身就必須是相當敏感注意了解他的背景跟歷史的\n\n16\n00:06:09,831 --> 00:06:39,012\n傳統上我們說台灣民主運動之下的政治受難者是要將台灣從威權體制脫離出來走向一個自由人權民主的一個體制但是一個共諜是要把中國共產黨的極權體制取代中國國民黨的黨國體制這截然是不同的而且程度上是更往反方向走的所以身為國民黨的主席在參加活動之前\n\n17\n00:06:40,290 --> 00:06:45,988\n即使自己不知道當社會討論了好幾天之後也應該了解也應該有這個警覺心\n\n18\n00:06:47,190 --> 00:07:13,682\n過去參加這個活動就會被引申呼應了中國要求涉台人員都學習無時精神的這樣一個做法那變成雙方在做呼應會影響國內的視聽所以我剛才說政府必須更積極的跟國內所有理念相同的政黨跟所有的國人一起為保護中華民國台灣的主權跟安全我們不能放棄我們的原則\n\n19\n00:07:14,209 --> 00:07:16,836\n而這個責任現在中國國民黨可能已經拋棄了\n\n20\n00:07:18,513 --> 00:07:45,525\n可能就拋棄了只有我們能夠做得到他們拋棄但是我們承擔我們願意承擔我們願意堅守價值中華民國台灣的主權堅守保護守護我們的國人這個我想是我們的責任也是我們的目標也是我們的價值之所在中華民國台灣是民主自由的堡壘對不對院長這個我覺得基於我們中華民國台灣的國家歷史跟尊嚴絕對要堅持謝謝院長\n\n21\n00:07:48,306 --> 00:08:17,265\n接下來我就要再談論我們民生的議題了今天是跟經濟相關最重要是大家關心紅胎這個颱風是穿心台雖然在今天早上聽起來好像路線有稍微往南移好像也減輕了為青台但是我們還是謹慎以待嚴正以待尤其中央曾經進駐花蓮跟台中目前的準備我不知道院長掌握的狀況\n\n22\n00:08:18,747 --> 00:08:34,849\n馬太安溪又溢流我們也要求地方政府要趕快的來撤離而且要做到位現在花蓮縣政府的處理狀況我們院長有掌握嗎還有安全的措施配套呢\n\n23\n00:08:35,646 --> 00:08:59,011\n我希望地方政府能夠依照中央應變中心所依據資訊判斷下的任何指令能夠確實的執行那我也應該要相信花蓮縣政府在經過上次菸社會的事件之後跟中央的配合應該要有一套新的方式那這一次呢我們到目前為止在花蓮地區我們進行了這個\n\n24\n00:09:01,233 --> 00:09:08,006\n撤離疏散垂直避難的已經有4150人那麼撤離疏散的也有2148人那麼收容安置的也有659人\n\n25\n00:09:13,644 --> 00:09:37,405\n這個都按照之前的一些演練的方式有陸續的到位我覺得這次到目前看起來時間上縱然有一點點在調整上面的時間的一個落差一點點但我覺得那個目前為止並沒有產生現在所看到任何影響我希望這些的撤離安置我也要求花蓮縣政府對安置的收容的以及撤離的要託予照顧\n\n26\n00:09:38,366 --> 00:10:02,725\n需要任何的協助中央應變中心會隨時予以支援今天中午諮詢結束之後我會跟總統一起到中央應變中心再跟地方政府做密切的溝通予以必要的協助是院長大家都辛苦了你辛苦了但是我們中央應變中心中央一定要全力的來確保所有國人的安全那當然除了進駐花蓮之外\n\n27\n00:10:03,706 --> 00:10:23,316\n因為非洲豬瘟的關係我們中央也進駐台中那我現在擔心的是什麼台中市為了因應非洲豬瘟這個廚餘的問題一直沒有辦法解決所以台中市在原縣區挖了12處的大型土坑來傾倒廚餘現在很多市民擔心的是什麼\n\n28\n00:10:24,932 --> 00:10:47,882\n那些土坑那些廚餘坑現在碰到颱風來了會不會有造成傷害這個傷害除了可能廢水的溢流外流危及到環境跟水源還有會影響到民眾的健康甚至這些土坑它的土體會不會潰堤這個其實都需要中央的來協助\n\n29\n00:10:50,183 --> 00:11:14,074\n院長你看一下我幾張照片給你看現在台中市政府的說它因應颱風的措施是蓋帆布壓石頭然後圍籬也是簡單的圍籬這個是現場現在我們昨天照到的照片不知道院長你覺得這個可以止得住\n\n30\n00:11:15,114 --> 00:11:25,359\n抵擋得住颱風的侵襲嗎這樣子的防護措施夠嗎除於在緊急狀況下用這種掩埋的方式\n\n31\n00:11:26,775 --> 00:11:46,959\n是非常不安全的但是在究極的情況下那幾天是特別要這樣做那已經請環騰進部要求地方的環保局環保單位一定要確實做到要覆土要5030公分這樣覆土那一定要做到那這個是基本的安全而已但是強風一來可能會造成其他的傷害\n\n32\n00:11:47,159 --> 00:12:13,288\n院長因為你曾經三次到台中來視察而且現場的這個文山掩埋場的現場你也去視察過所以第一時間中央有要求地方政府要做好你剛剛講的緊急的措施30公分50公分這樣的標準但是我們市民擔心的是這些坑挖了之後它的周遭的防固跟防護\n\n33\n00:12:14,528 --> 00:12:39,489\n如果遇到颱風強風暴雨的侵蝕之下沖刷之下這些泥土會不會隨著雨水流到周邊的市民的社區裡面這是第一個第二個除雨的水因為水分是很多的當時候因為救急所以底層的防護布並沒有\n\n34\n00:12:40,310 --> 00:13:03,236\n按照中央的要求甚至市民很擔心連防護的這個底層的那一層帆布可能都沒有那這樣的情況之下颱風又來了到底會不會造成危害我覺得請院長要要求第一個要求環境部我已經跟環境部說過希望他跟地方政府要事先能夠要求他們做到\n\n35\n00:13:03,836 --> 00:13:21,783\n目前可以做的盡量要完成現在可以做的防腐的措施因為今天這個彭部長不在這裡陳部長也知道這個請農業部來做說明我跟委員很簡單的說明第一個部分就是為了運營房台他們蓋的帆布用石頭壓是壓不住的所以有要求他們從四邊去\n\n36\n00:13:22,463 --> 00:13:51,206\n讓它釘毛往下釘第二個部分是圍籬的部分最主要是防止野山豬來吃廚餘然後我們經過覆土又把它加工本來30公分變50公分然後圍籬或是圍電網的部分那這個部分我想環境部都已經去查過了圍電網是沒什麼問題的現在就是帆布的部分是擔心說如果被風吹走雨水下去以後會導致會有一些類似泥土被沖刷往下移的部分那這個部分環境部都會隨時監控\n\n37\n00:13:52,978 --> 00:14:17,627\n我希望院長跟環境部要求環境部跟農業部相關部會這個監控要協助地方政府要嚴格到位因為這是市民的健康安全的問題水源的部分因為有一個洞是離烏溪比較近就是霧峰那個掩埋場它的下面就是烏溪會注意那個\n\n38\n00:14:18,397 --> 00:14:34,006\n這個要請經濟部水利組水利單位要嚴密的來監控好不好我跟永遠報告我們在全台灣比較有風險的22個掩埋場我們都有架設林保署都有架設監視器所以這個監視器如果看到有一些不對勁的時候隨時會通知地方政府\n\n39\n00:14:34,825 --> 00:14:56,247\n最後最後又是一個民生問題喔雞蛋這個剛剛有聽到部長有回答其他委員我只兩個問題現在已經下架有問題的這個牧場的雞蛋其他牧場安全嗎第二個還有三萬顆的這個所謂的散裝的雞蛋不知去向我們行政院這個農業部有掌握狀況嗎\n\n40\n00:14:57,068 --> 00:15:18,764\n我跟委員報告這個案子一出來由地方政府提報了以後第一時間我們的那個食安辦還有衛福部還有農業部就啟動了聯合的一個查訪那在11月6號的時候我們就到現場去看那個牧場本身的飼料跟雞蛋那現在看起來是沒問題的然後可能是一個單一事件的一個環境污染\n\n41\n00:15:19,224 --> 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安安穩穩的在從事台灣的對外關係我們好不容易得到了這樣的一個機會副總統也是嫌總統之命在非常巧妙的安排底下能夠聚到國外參加這樣的會議\n133573\t159587\t那國人應該給予更多的鼓勵甚至希望帶回來更好的訊息而不是用這樣的方式在抵消我們自己的作戰的士氣或者對外的努力的工作我覺得這個是值得我們深思的但就目前為止這個事情總統府已經正式的否認而且予以駁斥那我們循正常的管道循檢調單位在做這個不實的散播謠言者一定要做進一步的追查\n160063\t180917\t我要請院長要密切的而且要嚴厲的要求這個真的要做到要防止網路謠言不斷的造謠這樣的造謠我要跟院長報告我昨天一天在很多不同的地方群組就已經看到這樣子的謠言跟圖卡\n181417\t196393\t那我覺得這個是不是外力的介入我想大家自有心證但是呢我們的國安團隊一定要嚴正的來第一個制止第二個該法律提告的一定要告到底\n196793\t216621\t我們一定要用各種方式來遏止這樣子惡意抵消我們全國大家共同認為感到驕傲而且這麼多人努力才有這麼巧妙的安排讓我們的副總統站上這個國際的舞台到歐洲議會來演講所以院長我要拜託你一定要堅持原則 嚴查宿辦\n218402\t241358\t研查速辦剛剛院長有提到當我們的副總統可以站上國際舞台但是看到另外這幾天大家覺得不可思議的是國民黨主席好像樂於站上中國的舞台不知道院長還有沒有印象2012年的立委選舉何新淳一直在這裡\n243468\t273048\t對上的是現在的國民黨主席鄭麗文的未來在這裡我一直在台中一直在台中為台中努力一直在為台灣努力那看到當時候的對手鄭麗文他在當選國民黨主席的第一時間我也有恭喜他 祝福他但是呢從他當選主席到現在的所有的言論好像讓國人覺得非常的不可思議而且非常的擔憂所以委員是有實力打敗國民黨主席的人\n274209\t292026\t謝謝所以院長對於鄭麗文最後當選的國民黨主席看一下她的選舉公報當時候她對地方也有很多政見然後我今天看到她明天生日也要先祝她生日快樂\n294054\t309073\t很高興的是我的鄉親做了對的選擇讓我有機會能夠服務也能夠站上這個舞台但是我覺得以他最近的這些言論甚至去參加所謂的秋季\n310314\t338626\t國家的歷史跟尊嚴絕對不容扭曲而且我相信他做的這一個動作第一個民眾黨黨主席黃國昌他也不以為然他說無實是共諜並非政治受難者國民黨自己內部的也有很大的聲音包括他們的前青年部副主任也槓上了現在的鄭麗文主席說追思無實踐踏國家尊嚴\n341113\t368659\t剛剛院長有提到我們的副總統好不容易站上了國際的舞台但是我們看到現在的第一大的在野黨的黨主席竟然站上了好像是中國的舞台那院長您對鄭麗文主席的這個看法身為一個主要在野黨的主席對參加一個活動本身就必須是相當敏感注意了解他的背景跟歷史的\n369831\t399012\t傳統上我們說台灣民主運動之下的政治受難者是要將台灣從威權體制脫離出來走向一個自由人權民主的一個體制但是一個共諜是要把中國共產黨的極權體制取代中國國民黨的黨國體制這截然是不同的而且程度上是更往反方向走的所以身為國民黨的主席在參加活動之前\n400290\t405988\t即使自己不知道當社會討論了好幾天之後也應該了解也應該有這個警覺心\n407190\t433682\t過去參加這個活動就會被引申呼應了中國要求涉台人員都學習無時精神的這樣一個做法那變成雙方在做呼應會影響國內的視聽所以我剛才說政府必須更積極的跟國內所有理念相同的政黨跟所有的國人一起為保護中華民國台灣的主權跟安全我們不能放棄我們的原則\n434209\t436836\t而這個責任現在中國國民黨可能已經拋棄了\n438513\t465525\t可能就拋棄了只有我們能夠做得到他們拋棄但是我們承擔我們願意承擔我們願意堅守價值中華民國台灣的主權堅守保護守護我們的國人這個我想是我們的責任也是我們的目標也是我們的價值之所在中華民國台灣是民主自由的堡壘對不對院長這個我覺得基於我們中華民國台灣的國家歷史跟尊嚴絕對要堅持謝謝院長\n468306\t497265\t接下來我就要再談論我們民生的議題了今天是跟經濟相關最重要是大家關心紅胎這個颱風是穿心台雖然在今天早上聽起來好像路線有稍微往南移好像也減輕了為青台但是我們還是謹慎以待 嚴正以待尤其中央曾經進駐花蓮跟台中目前的準備我不知道院長掌握的狀況\n498747\t514849\t馬太安溪又溢流我們也要求地方政府要趕快的來撤離而且要做到位現在花蓮縣政府的處理狀況我們院長有掌握嗎還有安全的措施配套呢\n515646\t539011\t我希望地方政府能夠依照中央應變中心所依據資訊判斷下的任何指令能夠確實的執行那我也應該要相信花蓮縣政府在經過上次菸社會的事件之後跟中央的配合應該要有一套新的方式那這一次呢我們到目前為止在花蓮地區我們進行了這個\n541233\t548006\t撤離疏散垂直避難的已經有4150人那麼撤離疏散的也有2148人那麼收容安置的也有659人\n553644\t577405\t這個都按照之前的一些演練的方式有陸續的到位我覺得這次到目前看起來時間上縱然有一點點在調整上面的時間的一個落差一點點但我覺得那個目前為止並沒有產生現在所看到任何影響我希望這些的撤離安置我也要求花蓮縣政府對安置的收容的以及撤離的要託予照顧\n578366\t602725\t需要任何的協助中央應變中心會隨時予以支援今天中午諮詢結束之後我會跟總統一起到中央應變中心再跟地方政府做密切的溝通予以必要的協助是 院長大家都辛苦了 你辛苦了但是我們中央應變中心中央一定要全力的來確保所有國人的安全那當然除了進駐花蓮之外\n603706\t623316\t因為非洲豬瘟的關係我們中央也進駐台中那我現在擔心的是什麼台中市為了因應非洲豬瘟這個廚餘的問題一直沒有辦法解決所以台中市在原縣區挖了12處的大型土坑來傾倒廚餘現在很多市民擔心的是什麼\n624932\t647882\t那些土坑 那些廚餘坑現在碰到颱風來了會不會有造成傷害這個傷害除了可能廢水的溢流 外流危及到環境跟水源還有會影響到民眾的健康甚至這些土坑它的土體會不會潰堤這個其實都需要中央的來協助\n650183\t674074\t院長你看一下我幾張照片給你看現在台中市政府的說它因應颱風的措施是蓋帆布壓石頭然後圍籬也是簡單的圍籬這個是現場現在我們昨天照到的照片不知道院長你覺得這個可以止得住\n675114\t685359\t抵擋得住颱風的侵襲嗎這樣子的防護措施夠嗎除於在緊急狀況下用這種掩埋的方式\n686775\t706959\t是非常不安全的但是在究極的情況下那幾天是特別要這樣做那已經請環 騰進部要求地方的環保局環保單位一定要確實做到要覆土要50 30公分這樣覆土那一定要做到那這個是基本的安全而已但是強風一來可能會造成其他的傷害\n707159\t733288\t院長因為你曾經三次到台中來視察而且現場的這個文山掩埋場的現場你也去視察過所以第一時間中央有要求地方政府要做好你剛剛講的緊急的措施30公分50公分這樣的標準但是我們市民擔心的是這些坑挖了之後它的周遭的防固跟防護\n734528\t759489\t如果遇到颱風強風暴雨的侵蝕之下沖刷之下這些泥土會不會隨著雨水流到周邊的市民的社區裡面這是第一個第二個除雨的水因為水分是很多的當時候因為救急所以底層的防護布並沒有\n760310\t783236\t按照中央的要求甚至市民很擔心連防護的這個底層的那一層帆布可能都沒有那這樣的情況之下颱風又來了到底會不會造成危害我覺得請院長要要求第一個要求環境部我已經跟環境部說過希望他跟地方政府要事先能夠要求他們做到\n783836\t801783\t目前可以做的 盡量要完成現在可以做的防腐的措施 因為今天這個彭部長不在這裡 陳部長也知道 這個請農業部來做說明我跟委員很簡單的說明 第一個部分就是為了運營房台 他們蓋的帆布用石頭壓是壓不住的 所以有要求他們從四邊去\n802463\t831206\t讓它釘毛往下釘第二個部分是圍籬的部分最主要是防止野山豬來吃廚餘然後我們經過覆土又把它加工本來30公分變50公分然後圍籬或是圍電網的部分那這個部分我想環境部都已經去查過了圍電網是沒什麼問題的現在就是帆布的部分是擔心說如果被風吹走雨水下去以後會導致會有一些類似泥土被沖刷往下移的部分那這個部分環境部都會隨時監控\n832978\t857627\t我希望院長跟環境部要求環境部跟農業部相關部會這個監控要協助地方政府要嚴格到位因為這是市民的健康安全的問題水源的部分因為有一個洞是離烏溪比較近就是霧峰那個掩埋場它的下面就是烏溪會注意那個\n858397\t874006\t這個要請經濟部 水利組 水利單位要嚴密的來監控好不好我跟永遠報告我們在全台灣比較有風險的22個掩埋場我們都有架設 林保署都有架設監視器所以這個監視器如果看到有一些不對勁的時候隨時會通知地方政府\n874825\t896247\t最後最後又是一個民生問題喔雞蛋這個剛剛有聽到部長有回答其他委員我只兩個問題現在已經下架有問題的這個牧場的雞蛋其他牧場安全嗎第二個還有三萬顆的這個所謂的散裝的雞蛋不知去向我們行政院這個農業部有掌握狀況嗎\n897068\t918764\t我跟委員報告這個案子一出來由地方政府提報了以後第一時間我們的那個食安辦還有衛福部還有農業部就啟動了聯合的一個查訪那在11月6號的時候我們就到現場去看那個牧場本身的飼料跟雞蛋那現在看起來是沒問題的然後可能是一個單一事件的一個環境污染\n919224\t933074\t那我們在確認污染源找到之前我們不會再讓這個牧場的蛋能夠喪失這第一個第二個就是全台灣其他的地方因為過去每一年跟衛福部跟農業部都有去追查好\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我們請卓院長好請卓院長備詢各位好\n院長好首先我要講一件讓國人都覺得驕傲的事情就是我們蕭美琴副總統站上了國際的舞台剛剛你回答林楚音委員的時候也有提到國人感到非常的驕傲蕭美琴副總統赴歐洲議會演說讓臺灣走向國際甚至連很多國外的學者\n認為過去這是不可能做到的事情不可思議的事情但是我們做到了當然要感謝很多在背後在第一線上出力努力的所有的人員的付出但是我必須要請院長能夠密切的關注一件事情在蕭美琴副總統副歐洲議會演說的當天晚上\n跟隔天也就是昨天大量的網路謠言說蕭美琴赴歐洲演說是換80億換來的這一件事情上我想請教一下院長第一個網友的造謠總統府有出面譴責外交部確定已經報警行政院目前掌握的狀況跟訊息到底有沒有外力的介入的狀況院長請問一下\n結果當然還要再進一步的去溯源去追查出來但是這件事情讓我們充分看得出來總統帶領的國安及外交團隊一直是戰戰兢兢 安安穩穩的在從事台灣的對外關係我們好不容易得到了這樣的一個機會副總統也是嫌總統之命在非常巧妙的安排底下能夠聚到國外參加這樣的會議\n那國人應該給予更多的鼓勵甚至希望帶回來更好的訊息而不是用這樣的方式在抵消我們自己的作戰的士氣或者對外的努力的工作我覺得這個是值得我們深思的但就目前為止這個事情總統府已經正式的否認而且予以駁斥那我們循正常的管道循檢調單位在做這個不實的散播謠言者一定要做進一步的追查\n我要請院長要密切的而且要嚴厲的要求這個真的要做到要防止網路謠言不斷的造謠這樣的造謠我要跟院長報告我昨天一天在很多不同的地方群組就已經看到這樣子的謠言跟圖卡\n那我覺得這個是不是外力的介入我想大家自有心證但是呢我們的國安團隊一定要嚴正的來第一個制止第二個該法律提告的一定要告到底\n我們一定要用各種方式來遏止這樣子惡意抵消我們全國大家共同認為感到驕傲而且這麼多人努力才有這麼巧妙的安排讓我們的副總統站上這個國際的舞台到歐洲議會來演講所以院長我要拜託你一定要堅持原則 嚴查宿辦\n研查速辦剛剛院長有提到當我們的副總統可以站上國際舞台但是看到另外這幾天大家覺得不可思議的是國民黨主席好像樂於站上中國的舞台不知道院長還有沒有印象2012年的立委選舉何新淳一直在這裡\n對上的是現在的國民黨主席鄭麗文的未來在這裡我一直在台中一直在台中為台中努力一直在為台灣努力那看到當時候的對手鄭麗文他在當選國民黨主席的第一時間我也有恭喜他 祝福他但是呢從他當選主席到現在的所有的言論好像讓國人覺得非常的不可思議而且非常的擔憂所以委員是有實力打敗國民黨主席的人\n謝謝所以院長對於鄭麗文最後當選的國民黨主席看一下她的選舉公報當時候她對地方也有很多政見然後我今天看到她明天生日也要先祝她生日快樂\n很高興的是我的鄉親做了對的選擇讓我有機會能夠服務也能夠站上這個舞台但是我覺得以他最近的這些言論甚至去參加所謂的秋季\n國家的歷史跟尊嚴絕對不容扭曲而且我相信他做的這一個動作第一個民眾黨黨主席黃國昌他也不以為然他說無實是共諜並非政治受難者國民黨自己內部的也有很大的聲音包括他們的前青年部副主任也槓上了現在的鄭麗文主席說追思無實踐踏國家尊嚴\n剛剛院長有提到我們的副總統好不容易站上了國際的舞台但是我們看到現在的第一大的在野黨的黨主席竟然站上了好像是中國的舞台那院長您對鄭麗文主席的這個看法身為一個主要在野黨的主席對參加一個活動本身就必須是相當敏感注意了解他的背景跟歷史的\n傳統上我們說台灣民主運動之下的政治受難者是要將台灣從威權體制脫離出來走向一個自由人權民主的一個體制但是一個共諜是要把中國共產黨的極權體制取代中國國民黨的黨國體制這截然是不同的而且程度上是更往反方向走的所以身為國民黨的主席在參加活動之前\n即使自己不知道當社會討論了好幾天之後也應該了解也應該有這個警覺心\n過去參加這個活動就會被引申呼應了中國要求涉台人員都學習無時精神的這樣一個做法那變成雙方在做呼應會影響國內的視聽所以我剛才說政府必須更積極的跟國內所有理念相同的政黨跟所有的國人一起為保護中華民國台灣的主權跟安全我們不能放棄我們的原則\n而這個責任現在中國國民黨可能已經拋棄了\n可能就拋棄了只有我們能夠做得到他們拋棄但是我們承擔我們願意承擔我們願意堅守價值中華民國台灣的主權堅守保護守護我們的國人這個我想是我們的責任也是我們的目標也是我們的價值之所在中華民國台灣是民主自由的堡壘對不對院長這個我覺得基於我們中華民國台灣的國家歷史跟尊嚴絕對要堅持謝謝院長\n接下來我就要再談論我們民生的議題了今天是跟經濟相關最重要是大家關心紅胎這個颱風是穿心台雖然在今天早上聽起來好像路線有稍微往南移好像也減輕了為青台但是我們還是謹慎以待 嚴正以待尤其中央曾經進駐花蓮跟台中目前的準備我不知道院長掌握的狀況\n馬太安溪又溢流我們也要求地方政府要趕快的來撤離而且要做到位現在花蓮縣政府的處理狀況我們院長有掌握嗎還有安全的措施配套呢\n我希望地方政府能夠依照中央應變中心所依據資訊判斷下的任何指令能夠確實的執行那我也應該要相信花蓮縣政府在經過上次菸社會的事件之後跟中央的配合應該要有一套新的方式那這一次呢我們到目前為止在花蓮地區我們進行了這個\n撤離疏散垂直避難的已經有4150人那麼撤離疏散的也有2148人那麼收容安置的也有659人\n這個都按照之前的一些演練的方式有陸續的到位我覺得這次到目前看起來時間上縱然有一點點在調整上面的時間的一個落差一點點但我覺得那個目前為止並沒有產生現在所看到任何影響我希望這些的撤離安置我也要求花蓮縣政府對安置的收容的以及撤離的要託予照顧\n需要任何的協助中央應變中心會隨時予以支援今天中午諮詢結束之後我會跟總統一起到中央應變中心再跟地方政府做密切的溝通予以必要的協助是 院長大家都辛苦了 你辛苦了但是我們中央應變中心中央一定要全力的來確保所有國人的安全那當然除了進駐花蓮之外\n因為非洲豬瘟的關係我們中央也進駐台中那我現在擔心的是什麼台中市為了因應非洲豬瘟這個廚餘的問題一直沒有辦法解決所以台中市在原縣區挖了12處的大型土坑來傾倒廚餘現在很多市民擔心的是什麼\n那些土坑 那些廚餘坑現在碰到颱風來了會不會有造成傷害這個傷害除了可能廢水的溢流 外流危及到環境跟水源還有會影響到民眾的健康甚至這些土坑它的土體會不會潰堤這個其實都需要中央的來協助\n院長你看一下我幾張照片給你看現在台中市政府的說它因應颱風的措施是蓋帆布壓石頭然後圍籬也是簡單的圍籬這個是現場現在我們昨天照到的照片不知道院長你覺得這個可以止得住\n抵擋得住颱風的侵襲嗎這樣子的防護措施夠嗎除於在緊急狀況下用這種掩埋的方式\n是非常不安全的但是在究極的情況下那幾天是特別要這樣做那已經請環 騰進部要求地方的環保局環保單位一定要確實做到要覆土要50 30公分這樣覆土那一定要做到那這個是基本的安全而已但是強風一來可能會造成其他的傷害\n院長因為你曾經三次到台中來視察而且現場的這個文山掩埋場的現場你也去視察過所以第一時間中央有要求地方政府要做好你剛剛講的緊急的措施30公分50公分這樣的標準但是我們市民擔心的是這些坑挖了之後它的周遭的防固跟防護\n如果遇到颱風強風暴雨的侵蝕之下沖刷之下這些泥土會不會隨著雨水流到周邊的市民的社區裡面這是第一個第二個除雨的水因為水分是很多的當時候因為救急所以底層的防護布並沒有\n按照中央的要求甚至市民很擔心連防護的這個底層的那一層帆布可能都沒有那這樣的情況之下颱風又來了到底會不會造成危害我覺得請院長要要求第一個要求環境部我已經跟環境部說過希望他跟地方政府要事先能夠要求他們做到\n目前可以做的 盡量要完成現在可以做的防腐的措施 因為今天這個彭部長不在這裡 陳部長也知道 這個請農業部來做說明我跟委員很簡單的說明 第一個部分就是為了運營房台 他們蓋的帆布用石頭壓是壓不住的 所以有要求他們從四邊去\n讓它釘毛往下釘第二個部分是圍籬的部分最主要是防止野山豬來吃廚餘然後我們經過覆土又把它加工本來30公分變50公分然後圍籬或是圍電網的部分那這個部分我想環境部都已經去查過了圍電網是沒什麼問題的現在就是帆布的部分是擔心說如果被風吹走雨水下去以後會導致會有一些類似泥土被沖刷往下移的部分那這個部分環境部都會隨時監控\n我希望院長跟環境部要求環境部跟農業部相關部會這個監控要協助地方政府要嚴格到位因為這是市民的健康安全的問題水源的部分因為有一個洞是離烏溪比較近就是霧峰那個掩埋場它的下面就是烏溪會注意那個\n這個要請經濟部 水利組 水利單位要嚴密的來監控好不好我跟永遠報告我們在全台灣比較有風險的22個掩埋場我們都有架設 林保署都有架設監視器所以這個監視器如果看到有一些不對勁的時候隨時會通知地方政府\n最後最後又是一個民生問題喔雞蛋這個剛剛有聽到部長有回答其他委員我只兩個問題現在已經下架有問題的這個牧場的雞蛋其他牧場安全嗎第二個還有三萬顆的這個所謂的散裝的雞蛋不知去向我們行政院這個農業部有掌握狀況嗎\n我跟委員報告這個案子一出來由地方政府提報了以後第一時間我們的那個食安辦還有衛福部還有農業部就啟動了聯合的一個查訪那在11月6號的時候我們就到現場去看那個牧場本身的飼料跟雞蛋那現在看起來是沒問題的然後可能是一個單一事件的一個環境污染\n那我們在確認污染源找到之前我們不會再讓這個牧場的蛋能夠喪失這第一個第二個就是全台灣其他的地方因為過去每一年跟衛福部跟農業部都有去追查好\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:14.878 --> 00:18.360\n好謝謝主席我們請卓院長好請卓院長備詢各位好\n\n00:29.230 --> 00:47.680\n院長好首先我要講一件讓國人都覺得驕傲的事情就是我們蕭美琴副總統站上了國際的舞台剛剛你回答林楚音委員的時候也有提到國人感到非常的驕傲蕭美琴副總統赴歐洲議會演說讓臺灣走向國際甚至連很多國外的學者\n\n00:51.682 --> 01:16.037\n認為過去這是不可能做到的事情不可思議的事情但是我們做到了當然要感謝很多在背後在第一線上出力努力的所有的人員的付出但是我必須要請院長能夠密切的關注一件事情在蕭美琴副總統副歐洲議會演說的當天晚上\n\n01:16.637 --> 01:43.879\n跟隔天也就是昨天大量的網路謠言說蕭美琴赴歐洲演說是換80億換來的這一件事情上我想請教一下院長第一個網友的造謠總統府有出面譴責外交部確定已經報警行政院目前掌握的狀況跟訊息到底有沒有外力的介入的狀況院長請問一下\n\n01:46.372 --> 02:12.232\n結果當然還要再進一步的去溯源去追查出來但是這件事情讓我們充分看得出來總統帶領的國安及外交團隊一直是戰戰兢兢安安穩穩的在從事台灣的對外關係我們好不容易得到了這樣的一個機會副總統也是嫌總統之命在非常巧妙的安排底下能夠聚到國外參加這樣的會議\n\n02:13.573 --> 02:39.587\n那國人應該給予更多的鼓勵甚至希望帶回來更好的訊息而不是用這樣的方式在抵消我們自己的作戰的士氣或者對外的努力的工作我覺得這個是值得我們深思的但就目前為止這個事情總統府已經正式的否認而且予以駁斥那我們循正常的管道循檢調單位在做這個不實的散播謠言者一定要做進一步的追查\n\n02:40.063 --> 03:00.917\n我要請院長要密切的而且要嚴厲的要求這個真的要做到要防止網路謠言不斷的造謠這樣的造謠我要跟院長報告我昨天一天在很多不同的地方群組就已經看到這樣子的謠言跟圖卡\n\n03:01.417 --> 03:16.393\n那我覺得這個是不是外力的介入我想大家自有心證但是呢我們的國安團隊一定要嚴正的來第一個制止第二個該法律提告的一定要告到底\n\n03:16.793 --> 03:36.621\n我們一定要用各種方式來遏止這樣子惡意抵消我們全國大家共同認為感到驕傲而且這麼多人努力才有這麼巧妙的安排讓我們的副總統站上這個國際的舞台到歐洲議會來演講所以院長我要拜託你一定要堅持原則嚴查宿辦\n\n03:38.402 --> 04:01.358\n研查速辦剛剛院長有提到當我們的副總統可以站上國際舞台但是看到另外這幾天大家覺得不可思議的是國民黨主席好像樂於站上中國的舞台不知道院長還有沒有印象2012年的立委選舉何新淳一直在這裡\n\n04:03.468 --> 04:33.048\n對上的是現在的國民黨主席鄭麗文的未來在這裡我一直在台中一直在台中為台中努力一直在為台灣努力那看到當時候的對手鄭麗文他在當選國民黨主席的第一時間我也有恭喜他祝福他但是呢從他當選主席到現在的所有的言論好像讓國人覺得非常的不可思議而且非常的擔憂所以委員是有實力打敗國民黨主席的人\n\n04:34.209 --> 04:52.026\n謝謝所以院長對於鄭麗文最後當選的國民黨主席看一下她的選舉公報當時候她對地方也有很多政見然後我今天看到她明天生日也要先祝她生日快樂\n\n04:54.054 --> 05:09.073\n很高興的是我的鄉親做了對的選擇讓我有機會能夠服務也能夠站上這個舞台但是我覺得以他最近的這些言論甚至去參加所謂的秋季\n\n05:10.314 --> 05:38.626\n國家的歷史跟尊嚴絕對不容扭曲而且我相信他做的這一個動作第一個民眾黨黨主席黃國昌他也不以為然他說無實是共諜並非政治受難者國民黨自己內部的也有很大的聲音包括他們的前青年部副主任也槓上了現在的鄭麗文主席說追思無實踐踏國家尊嚴\n\n05:41.113 --> 06:08.659\n剛剛院長有提到我們的副總統好不容易站上了國際的舞台但是我們看到現在的第一大的在野黨的黨主席竟然站上了好像是中國的舞台那院長您對鄭麗文主席的這個看法身為一個主要在野黨的主席對參加一個活動本身就必須是相當敏感注意了解他的背景跟歷史的\n\n06:09.831 --> 06:39.012\n傳統上我們說台灣民主運動之下的政治受難者是要將台灣從威權體制脫離出來走向一個自由人權民主的一個體制但是一個共諜是要把中國共產黨的極權體制取代中國國民黨的黨國體制這截然是不同的而且程度上是更往反方向走的所以身為國民黨的主席在參加活動之前\n\n06:40.290 --> 06:45.988\n即使自己不知道當社會討論了好幾天之後也應該了解也應該有這個警覺心\n\n06:47.190 --> 07:13.682\n過去參加這個活動就會被引申呼應了中國要求涉台人員都學習無時精神的這樣一個做法那變成雙方在做呼應會影響國內的視聽所以我剛才說政府必須更積極的跟國內所有理念相同的政黨跟所有的國人一起為保護中華民國台灣的主權跟安全我們不能放棄我們的原則\n\n07:14.209 --> 07:16.836\n而這個責任現在中國國民黨可能已經拋棄了\n\n07:18.513 --> 07:45.525\n可能就拋棄了只有我們能夠做得到他們拋棄但是我們承擔我們願意承擔我們願意堅守價值中華民國台灣的主權堅守保護守護我們的國人這個我想是我們的責任也是我們的目標也是我們的價值之所在中華民國台灣是民主自由的堡壘對不對院長這個我覺得基於我們中華民國台灣的國家歷史跟尊嚴絕對要堅持謝謝院長\n\n07:48.306 --> 08:17.265\n接下來我就要再談論我們民生的議題了今天是跟經濟相關最重要是大家關心紅胎這個颱風是穿心台雖然在今天早上聽起來好像路線有稍微往南移好像也減輕了為青台但是我們還是謹慎以待嚴正以待尤其中央曾經進駐花蓮跟台中目前的準備我不知道院長掌握的狀況\n\n08:18.747 --> 08:34.849\n馬太安溪又溢流我們也要求地方政府要趕快的來撤離而且要做到位現在花蓮縣政府的處理狀況我們院長有掌握嗎還有安全的措施配套呢\n\n08:35.646 --> 08:59.011\n我希望地方政府能夠依照中央應變中心所依據資訊判斷下的任何指令能夠確實的執行那我也應該要相信花蓮縣政府在經過上次菸社會的事件之後跟中央的配合應該要有一套新的方式那這一次呢我們到目前為止在花蓮地區我們進行了這個\n\n09:01.233 --> 09:08.006\n撤離疏散垂直避難的已經有4150人那麼撤離疏散的也有2148人那麼收容安置的也有659人\n\n09:13.644 --> 09:37.405\n這個都按照之前的一些演練的方式有陸續的到位我覺得這次到目前看起來時間上縱然有一點點在調整上面的時間的一個落差一點點但我覺得那個目前為止並沒有產生現在所看到任何影響我希望這些的撤離安置我也要求花蓮縣政府對安置的收容的以及撤離的要託予照顧\n\n09:38.366 --> 10:02.725\n需要任何的協助中央應變中心會隨時予以支援今天中午諮詢結束之後我會跟總統一起到中央應變中心再跟地方政府做密切的溝通予以必要的協助是院長大家都辛苦了你辛苦了但是我們中央應變中心中央一定要全力的來確保所有國人的安全那當然除了進駐花蓮之外\n\n10:03.706 --> 10:23.316\n因為非洲豬瘟的關係我們中央也進駐台中那我現在擔心的是什麼台中市為了因應非洲豬瘟這個廚餘的問題一直沒有辦法解決所以台中市在原縣區挖了12處的大型土坑來傾倒廚餘現在很多市民擔心的是什麼\n\n10:24.932 --> 10:47.882\n那些土坑那些廚餘坑現在碰到颱風來了會不會有造成傷害這個傷害除了可能廢水的溢流外流危及到環境跟水源還有會影響到民眾的健康甚至這些土坑它的土體會不會潰堤這個其實都需要中央的來協助\n\n10:50.183 --> 11:14.074\n院長你看一下我幾張照片給你看現在台中市政府的說它因應颱風的措施是蓋帆布壓石頭然後圍籬也是簡單的圍籬這個是現場現在我們昨天照到的照片不知道院長你覺得這個可以止得住\n\n11:15.114 --> 11:25.359\n抵擋得住颱風的侵襲嗎這樣子的防護措施夠嗎除於在緊急狀況下用這種掩埋的方式\n\n11:26.775 --> 11:46.959\n是非常不安全的但是在究極的情況下那幾天是特別要這樣做那已經請環騰進部要求地方的環保局環保單位一定要確實做到要覆土要5030公分這樣覆土那一定要做到那這個是基本的安全而已但是強風一來可能會造成其他的傷害\n\n11:47.159 --> 12:13.288\n院長因為你曾經三次到台中來視察而且現場的這個文山掩埋場的現場你也去視察過所以第一時間中央有要求地方政府要做好你剛剛講的緊急的措施30公分50公分這樣的標準但是我們市民擔心的是這些坑挖了之後它的周遭的防固跟防護\n\n12:14.528 --> 12:39.489\n如果遇到颱風強風暴雨的侵蝕之下沖刷之下這些泥土會不會隨著雨水流到周邊的市民的社區裡面這是第一個第二個除雨的水因為水分是很多的當時候因為救急所以底層的防護布並沒有\n\n12:40.310 --> 13:03.236\n按照中央的要求甚至市民很擔心連防護的這個底層的那一層帆布可能都沒有那這樣的情況之下颱風又來了到底會不會造成危害我覺得請院長要要求第一個要求環境部我已經跟環境部說過希望他跟地方政府要事先能夠要求他們做到\n\n13:03.836 --> 13:21.783\n目前可以做的盡量要完成現在可以做的防腐的措施因為今天這個彭部長不在這裡陳部長也知道這個請農業部來做說明我跟委員很簡單的說明第一個部分就是為了運營房台他們蓋的帆布用石頭壓是壓不住的所以有要求他們從四邊去\n\n13:22.463 --> 13:51.206\n讓它釘毛往下釘第二個部分是圍籬的部分最主要是防止野山豬來吃廚餘然後我們經過覆土又把它加工本來30公分變50公分然後圍籬或是圍電網的部分那這個部分我想環境部都已經去查過了圍電網是沒什麼問題的現在就是帆布的部分是擔心說如果被風吹走雨水下去以後會導致會有一些類似泥土被沖刷往下移的部分那這個部分環境部都會隨時監控\n\n13:52.978 --> 14:17.627\n我希望院長跟環境部要求環境部跟農業部相關部會這個監控要協助地方政府要嚴格到位因為這是市民的健康安全的問題水源的部分因為有一個洞是離烏溪比較近就是霧峰那個掩埋場它的下面就是烏溪會注意那個\n\n14:18.397 --> 14:34.006\n這個要請經濟部水利組水利單位要嚴密的來監控好不好我跟永遠報告我們在全台灣比較有風險的22個掩埋場我們都有架設林保署都有架設監視器所以這個監視器如果看到有一些不對勁的時候隨時會通知地方政府\n\n14:34.825 --> 14:56.247\n最後最後又是一個民生問題喔雞蛋這個剛剛有聽到部長有回答其他委員我只兩個問題現在已經下架有問題的這個牧場的雞蛋其他牧場安全嗎第二個還有三萬顆的這個所謂的散裝的雞蛋不知去向我們行政院這個農業部有掌握狀況嗎\n\n14:57.068 --> 15:18.764\n我跟委員報告這個案子一出來由地方政府提報了以後第一時間我們的那個食安辦還有衛福部還有農業部就啟動了聯合的一個查訪那在11月6號的時候我們就到現場去看那個牧場本身的飼料跟雞蛋那現在看起來是沒問題的然後可能是一個單一事件的一個環境污染\n\n15:19.224 --> 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外流危及到環境跟水源還有會影響到民眾的健康甚至這些土坑它的土體會不會潰堤這個其實都需要中央的來協助"},{"start":650.183,"end":674.074,"text":"院長你看一下我幾張照片給你看現在台中市政府的說它因應颱風的措施是蓋帆布壓石頭然後圍籬也是簡單的圍籬這個是現場現在我們昨天照到的照片不知道院長你覺得這個可以止得住"},{"start":675.114,"end":685.359,"text":"抵擋得住颱風的侵襲嗎這樣子的防護措施夠嗎除於在緊急狀況下用這種掩埋的方式"},{"start":686.775,"end":706.959,"text":"是非常不安全的但是在究極的情況下那幾天是特別要這樣做那已經請環 騰進部要求地方的環保局環保單位一定要確實做到要覆土要50 30公分這樣覆土那一定要做到那這個是基本的安全而已但是強風一來可能會造成其他的傷害"},{"start":707.159,"end":733.288,"text":"院長因為你曾經三次到台中來視察而且現場的這個文山掩埋場的現場你也去視察過所以第一時間中央有要求地方政府要做好你剛剛講的緊急的措施30公分50公分這樣的標準但是我們市民擔心的是這些坑挖了之後它的周遭的防固跟防護"},{"start":734.528,"end":759.489,"text":"如果遇到颱風強風暴雨的侵蝕之下沖刷之下這些泥土會不會隨著雨水流到周邊的市民的社區裡面這是第一個第二個除雨的水因為水分是很多的當時候因為救急所以底層的防護布並沒有"},{"start":760.31,"end":783.236,"text":"按照中央的要求甚至市民很擔心連防護的這個底層的那一層帆布可能都沒有那這樣的情況之下颱風又來了到底會不會造成危害我覺得請院長要要求第一個要求環境部我已經跟環境部說過希望他跟地方政府要事先能夠要求他們做到"},{"start":783.836,"end":801.783,"text":"目前可以做的 盡量要完成現在可以做的防腐的措施 因為今天這個彭部長不在這裡 陳部長也知道 這個請農業部來做說明我跟委員很簡單的說明 第一個部分就是為了運營房台 他們蓋的帆布用石頭壓是壓不住的 所以有要求他們從四邊去"},{"start":802.463,"end":831.206,"text":"讓它釘毛往下釘第二個部分是圍籬的部分最主要是防止野山豬來吃廚餘然後我們經過覆土又把它加工本來30公分變50公分然後圍籬或是圍電網的部分那這個部分我想環境部都已經去查過了圍電網是沒什麼問題的現在就是帆布的部分是擔心說如果被風吹走雨水下去以後會導致會有一些類似泥土被沖刷往下移的部分那這個部分環境部都會隨時監控"},{"start":832.978,"end":857.627,"text":"我希望院長跟環境部要求環境部跟農業部相關部會這個監控要協助地方政府要嚴格到位因為這是市民的健康安全的問題水源的部分因為有一個洞是離烏溪比較近就是霧峰那個掩埋場它的下面就是烏溪會注意那個"},{"start":858.397,"end":874.006,"text":"這個要請經濟部 水利組 水利單位要嚴密的來監控好不好我跟永遠報告我們在全台灣比較有風險的22個掩埋場我們都有架設 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遭遇丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災情嚴重，對於各產業及中小微企業可謂雪上加霜。本席要求經濟部應迅速妥善規劃《因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別條例》及《丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別條例》中各項計畫與措施，協助各產業復原及開拓外銷市場，降低對民生經濟所造成之影響，保障業者生存發展。","說明：","一、鑒於近期國際情勢動盪，美國疊加關稅及232條款衝擊我國出口外銷競爭力甚鉅，且由於確切關稅仍未確定，市場風險及產業壓力巨大，後續市場競爭力影響與出口市場布局難以確定。經濟部應藉由《因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別條例》預算等盡速給予產業輔導支持，包含提升產業競爭力（250億元）、開拓多元市場（100億元）等計畫之實施內容應盡速規畫後上路。","二、另今年國內遭遇丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災情嚴重，產業包含廠房、設施等受創損失慘重，經濟部亦應透過《丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別條例》預算等協助產業災後復原，並謹慎預防本次鳳凰颱風恐造成產業損失。若有業者遭受損害，經濟部應第一時間給予產業所需支持援助。","三、本席要求經濟部於二個月內提交相關書面說明報告至本辦公室。"],["主席：下一位請丁學忠委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":180,"meet_id":"院會-11-4-8","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","吳宗憲","賴瑞隆","顏寬恒","林楚茵","賴士葆","黃捷","何欣純","陳亭妃","丁學忠","劉建國","莊瑞雄","李柏毅","林德福","葛如鈞","賴惠員","黃珊珊","林楚茵","呂玉玲","麥玉珍","鄭正鈐","王鴻薇","郭昱晴","吳思瑤","陳俊宇","羅美玲","范雲","李坤城","張雅琳"],"page_start":85,"meetingDate":["2025-11-11"],"gazette_id":"1149101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1149101_00004","1149101_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期第8次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1149101_00005"}}}