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00:02:20,217\n好請部長答問兩個原則第一個先要把教師的留任的意願提高再來熱地的這種缺額然後實際的精算那實際的做法我想教育部是非常努力請部長跟委員報告我們事實上從這一個統計數字來看事實上我們目前中小學總共有老師19萬\n\n7\n00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:48,991\n19萬多你這對我的問題缺了老師怎麼樣去補這個辦法我要跟委員報告說我們國中小我們事實上以現在的所有全國的這些大專業校在培養師師他事實上每一年領友證照大概有我知道你都有培訓但是沒有投入第一線的教師工作所以我要跟委員報告就是說我們也利用這段時間在鼓勵\n\n8\n00:02:50,111 --> 00:03:17,397\n鼓勵這個地方政府就說因為根據地方自治法本來國民教育就是地方的全責但是教育部在培養師這個部分我們是量是夠的但是地方怎麼樣去攬柴你完全沒有了解到真正的問題我剛剛就講了你有在培訓教師但是沒有投入第一切我就會比較完整的跟委員報告當然老師\n\n9\n00:03:18,837 --> 00:03:46,858\n等於說他有教師證他不願意到地方去任教為什麼不到第一線你有沒有發現這個問題科技產業他的一個發達待遇比較好所以薪資有問題嗎還有另外一個譬如說學校我們看到至少我從去年520進來我一直在觀察也是一直希望解決這個問題我們看到家長老師跟校長基本上\n\n10\n00:03:48,004 --> 00:04:09,024\n互信不夠這對小孩子的一個教育是不好的部長我也很想提你講完你這個去年發現這個問題到今年一年之間你的努力做了什麼但是我發現你並沒有發現真正的原因所以本席來提醒你告訴你你來做謝謝委員提醒\n\n11\n00:04:10,405 --> 00:04:19,656\n那就是因為有這個教師荒的問題在這個BBC這個深度去探討我們台灣年齡層年輕老師的這個斷層的問題在2004年的話我們年輕的老師在30歲以下的話占比\n\n12\n00:04:26,403 --> 00:04:52,673\n高中小占比大概在17到23%国中部分的话大概占比在这个将近在20%所以我们看到我们下来的这个占比数一直在下滑到不到10%不到10%这就是为什么第一线的在年龄段层里面不愿意投入到我们第一线来做教育的工作这个发生的问题第一个\n\n13\n00:04:53,413 --> 00:04:58,215\n部長你剛好提到了薪資待遇現在我們的老師啊\n\n14\n00:04:59,929 --> 00:05:23,049\n的薪資待遇的話在台灣中小學的師資的底薪是兩萬五千元現在的勞工的基本工資是兩萬九千五百元這是不是有落差了雖然老師他有研究家級導師家級跟行政家級跟偏遠地系家級但是這大概在四五萬塊而已\n\n15\n00:05:23,769 --> 00:05:38,985\n四五萬塊而已做了十年後才可能多四萬多到七萬多那如果說你是讀理工科的話他們薪資可能就會更高了就像半導體業者的話他們都會比較高所以這個就是薪資問題\n\n16\n00:05:40,166 --> 00:06:06,635\n北溪在提醒你就是薪資問題但是教師的結構他本來就是本縫加學術研究會不能說把他一刀兩切說他的本縫是勞工我想這樣的一個比較是北溪告訴你的你要聽清楚我剛剛有說你他的底薪是兩萬五千元加幾加起來到四五萬有加加幾所以現在這些\n\n17\n00:06:08,283 --> 00:06:15,631\n勞工的基本工資20年來了他漲幅大概在230%但是我們老師的終點費\n\n18\n00:06:17,398 --> 00:06:39,854\n大概長在5%到29%長的幅度非常小所以第一個原因就是薪資待遇你可以做一個調整好不好那第二個就是行政工作因為我們的行政人員並沒有設置行政人員老師都要兼行政人員工作非常的辛苦尤其是我們教育政策一直在變遷當下\n\n19\n00:06:41,435 --> 00:07:05,145\n現在包括的12年國教還有108的課綱老師要做備課要做一些資料報表等等都是勞心勞力非常的辛苦又要來監證這個行政人員的話我相信他們以皮以本命所以這一個改善教師的這個工作環境這是第二點好不好你有沒有發現\n\n20\n00:07:06,445 --> 00:07:26,518\n你有沒有發現這問題我去年總諮詢也提過了但是並沒有設立行政人員的也感謝委員的一個關注台灣教育的包括老師的這一個工作前夜我也因為這樣跟到北中南東我跟到各地方去跟家長老師\n\n21\n00:07:28,946 --> 00:07:48,518\n部長家長老師學校你都可以去做一個溝通但是付諸行動制度你要去做啊你都知道但是一年又過去了你都沒有做所以本席提醒你你聽我講因為你剛剛講的只是北中南溝通老師家長\n\n22\n00:07:49,358 --> 00:08:02,825\n溝通你並沒有付出行動具體的一個政策出來所以本席提醒你新知改善教育環境還有本席要再提醒你第三個就是現在很多家長會投訴\n\n23\n00:08:04,326 --> 00:08:29,290\n老师要被调查或者是他们很多的工作上身心都会惧乏所以在第一线工作上没有办法去支撑需要有待课老师那现在缺老师教师荒就有待课老师的问题待课老师和代理老师也都不一样在第一线工作的老师他们的薪资不如正式老师\n\n24\n00:08:29,710 --> 00:08:51,733\n他不如正式老师但是我们在我们的这个工作上有特别的有一个条例是说专任教师可以比照老师但是待课老师他就没有办法比照老师这一点的话我们是不是做一个调整这个是比方是说年资的加紧年资的加紧待课老师有没有年资\n\n25\n00:08:53,154 --> 00:09:19,768\n戴克老師因為他授課的時數戴克老師的話只上一個學校嗎他只有戴一個禮拜或者兩個禮拜的兩節課或者因為所以他確實以目前來講是沒有部長戴克老師大部分都是學校老師去代理其他同事的課程叫戴克我現在講戴克代理老師\n\n26\n00:09:21,479 --> 00:09:36,261\n又是不一樣的所以這兩個是不一樣的跟專業老師的待遇是一致的所以我現在是講很多老師偏鄉請不到譬如說數學老師啊公共老師偏鄉老師開學都還請不到我們是不是可以比照\n\n27\n00:09:37,522 --> 00:09:51,096\n專任老師的方式我們家計都有給他偏項都有給他但是師資的家計沒給他為什麼本席要提醒你的就是說因為啊這個代課或代理老師他們\n\n28\n00:09:52,878 --> 00:10:11,283\n沒有辦法說一個學校就帶課他可能要去找好多學校帶課的機會對不對所以也疲於奔命還要備課所以沒辦法是回饋給學生他的學習的歷程所以這方面可不可以研議可不可以研議給年資的加緊\n\n29\n00:10:12,684 --> 00:10:26,557\n謝謝委員提醒我想確實如果有這樣屬於代課但是他事實上是在特別偏鄉有一個區域性的好幾個學校比如說本土語言的老師或者這個steam科學的老師他確實這樣的代\n\n30\n00:10:27,998 --> 00:10:53,406\n我想我們全盤來了解來研議謝謝委員接受我們很高興因為這些都是教育團體提供給本席的都是他們現場第一線的老師提供出來的意見好不好生意是有讓老師生產的臨時要找代理老師代課老師都有這個需要臨時找是不容易找的嘛好不好雖然說有流浪老師但是我們希望這老師還是給他輔導起來可不可以\n\n31\n00:10:56,205 --> 00:11:16,460\n就是你要有誘因這個誘因就是本席所講的這個部分希望你每一下都去研議教育部我們的態度跟委員是一樣怎麼樣有一個更好的一個教育的環境然後讓學生老師安心教然後學生安心學能夠有一個好的一個學習品質\n\n32\n00:11:18,742 --> 00:11:41,564\n要安心再提供你一個意見就是說在改善我們職場當中的話現在我們的國民小學的員額編制在105年提高到1.65到現在將近10年的都沒有再做調整台北現在每個班是1.9新北是1.7台中也是1.7\n\n33\n00:11:42,745 --> 00:11:56,462\n那現在我們教育部的規定是1.65那很多學校全台灣的話很多學校都比照你這個底線標準是1.65可不可以這個也來做一個調整調整到1比8還是1比7這樣子好不好\n\n34\n00:11:58,104 --> 00:12:19,956\n還是那些我們鼓勵地方就在教育部訂一個最起碼的標準但是你地方怎麼去攬財留財提升教育品質地方是有這個前摺的部長你要說因為地方各自的需要去做調整但是底線標準定在那邊很多學校就會依照你的底線標準來完成所以\n\n35\n00:12:20,496 --> 00:12:34,872\n教育部對偏鄉的一些教育部長你去研議可不可以再調整偏鄉條例還有一些我們事實上的不一樣的有的2.0有的就是說對偏鄉的一些教育教育部這一個部分我們事實上是有額外再給一些延額的\n\n36\n00:12:35,373 --> 00:12:55,589\n不只偏鄉但是跟你唸的前五名都是台北新北桃園台中所以請你去研議調整高一點一比七或一比八我想在未來我們會跟地方政府有更積極的討論譬如說在財化法以後地方有更豐富的一個財源不是你制度面要先制定好來\n\n37\n00:12:56,630 --> 00:13:17,368\n你的原來制度標準要定個底線不要再出來啊全國就會一起適用我們這個底線當然我們要跟地方來討論因為持平論教育部如果定的太高我們希望太好但是地方政府沒有辦法去執行的話我想這也圖法就是我們只是好部長你願意接受那去研議\n\n38\n00:13:19,009 --> 00:13:33,674\n問題都出來了教師荒很嚴重好不好我跟委員報告一句話委員應該給部長多一點鼓勵因為您剛剛說的大部分關於教師行政職代課老師種種未來一個新的想法\n\n39\n00:13:34,656 --> 00:13:53,325\n部長在前幾天已經向我報告說明過了那我們會查這個方針應該給部長多一點努力你說的問題他不能夠提到這些問題我都點出來了你去研究來提升我們學校師資的穩定性跟持續性讓我們的老師可以留任留下來\n\n40\n00:13:53,925 --> 00:14:18,959\n在第一線為我們的孩子來付出我剛說第一個強調他留任的機制部長都已經提出他的想法我剛點出幾個問題你一定要去做付諸具體的制度出來感謝委員一路來都關心事實上剛才委員所關心的不管校事法或者老師的待遇或者行政原諒或者種種的問題我們事實上也我要利用這個機會要特別謝謝院長他事實上是有指示教育部一定要\n\n41\n00:14:19,969 --> 00:14:45,721\n正是這些問題然後要有一個延誼有一個相對的一個以實際性謝謝部長請你延誼出來謝謝部長請回謝謝部長請回我現在請國科會的吳主委主委你慢慢走過來因為我時間有限時間暫停好主委也沒問題時間暫停謝謝慢慢走不要急不要摔跤了\n\n42\n00:14:54,997 --> 00:15:12,864\n因為時間有限我直接切主題那就是我們桃竹苗大細股計劃已經在執行當中那現在我們的龍潭龍科三期有列入大細股的這個計劃裡面那現在因為我們龍科三期在2022年的時候就已經公佈\n\n43\n00:15:13,644 --> 00:15:29,581\n要來擴充我們的這個科學園區那那時候的話因為是土地範圍沒有跟民眾溝通所以有卡關的情形但是本席跟我們科管局還有市政府都一再的溝通現在大約的土地面積在90公頃左右\n\n44\n00:15:30,222 --> 00:15:47,207\n那在去年的12月跟3月已經開了兩場公聽會本來是今年的3月應該要送到行政院來核定但是又有民眾要願意納入所以又再舉辦再啟動公聽會所以本期想請問的就是是不是大廠國際廠商要進來進步所以你要再重新啟動這個公聽會\n\n45\n00:15:56,630 --> 00:16:21,592\n因為你從兵器跟工兵分了嘛所以大概是在時期的二、八、九又要開始補位那現在如果郭文貴又完畢又有亞大陸那無限期遙遙無期就一直在\n\n46\n00:16:21,932 --> 00:16:30,638\n舉辦工程會上所有程序重新啟動嗎是不是也可以確定啟程這次11月28、29工程會完畢就送行政院民兵\n\n47\n00:17:05,564 --> 00:17:06,325\n好謝謝李玉琳\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n12556\t18801\t謝謝主席請卓院長跟教育部的正部長麻煩請卓院長教育部長備詢女文好\n31297\t46253\t院長 部長教育是我們國家的百年大計也是我們下一代成長的最主要的關鍵那首先本席要來跟你討教我們教師荒的問題託教師荒我相信\n46773\t63932\t很多的委員也都提過這個問題那根據我們教育部的統計全國公立的國中校共有3303校缺了1429名的代理教師其中國小教師的缺額最高的縣市有新北\n64432\t92940\t台北跟台中桃園跟彰化國中的部分缺了最高的前5名有新北桃園台北台中跟台南這個就是我們教育現在鬧得人力荒的問題今年是更加的嚴重那尤其是本席桃園地方某個學校他有公告7名的職缺都沒有人來報名那桃園在這個7月31號有公告他的國中\n93780\t117793\t國文的部分真的40次然後他的數學部分真的46次的老師地理部分真的49次七項職缺通通都沒有人來報名甄選所以請教院長部長這個教育師的教育老師的教育荒這問題我們如何的解決有什麼解決的辦法\n118527\t140217\t好請部長答問兩個原則第一個先要把教師的留任的意願提高再來熱地的這種缺額然後實際的精算那實際的做法我想教育部是非常努力請部長跟委員報告我們事實上從這一個統計數字來看事實上我們目前中小學總共有老師19萬\n144639\t168991\t19萬多你這對我的問題缺了老師怎麼樣去補這個辦法我要跟委員報告說我們國中小我們事實上以現在的所有全國的這些大專業校在培養師師他事實上每一年領友證照大概有我知道你都有培訓但是沒有投入第一線的教師工作所以我要跟委員報告就是說我們也利用這段時間在鼓勵\n170111\t197397\t鼓勵這個地方政府就說因為根據地方自治法本來國民教育就是地方的全責但是教育部在培養師這個部分我們是量是夠的但是地方怎麼樣去攬柴你完全沒有了解到真正的問題我剛剛就講了你有在培訓教師但是沒有投入第一切我就會比較完整的跟委員報告當然老師\n198837\t226858\t等於說他有教師證他不願意到地方去任教為什麼不到第一線你有沒有發現這個問題科技產業他的一個發達待遇比較好所以薪資有問題嗎還有另外一個譬如說學校我們看到至少我從去年520進來我一直在觀察也是一直希望解決這個問題我們看到家長老師跟校長基本上\n228004\t249024\t互信不夠這對小孩子的一個教育是不好的部長我也很想提你講完你這個去年發現這個問題到今年一年之間你的努力做了什麼但是我發現你並沒有發現真正的原因所以本席來提醒你告訴你你來做謝謝委員提醒\n250405\t259656\t那就是因為有這個教師荒的問題在這個BBC這個深度去探討我們台灣年齡層年輕老師的這個斷層的問題在2004年的話我們年輕的老師在30歲以下的話占比\n266403\t292673\t高中小占比大概在17到23%国中部分的话大概占比在这个将近在20%所以我们看到我们下来的这个占比数一直在下滑到不到10%不到10%这就是为什么第一线的在年龄段层里面不愿意投入到我们第一线来做教育的工作这个发生的问题第一个\n293413\t298215\t部長你剛好提到了薪資待遇現在我們的老師啊\n299929\t323049\t的薪資待遇的話在台灣中小學的師資的底薪是兩萬五千元現在的勞工的基本工資是兩萬九千五百元這是不是有落差了雖然老師他有研究家級導師家級跟行政家級跟偏遠地系家級但是這大概在四五萬塊而已\n323769\t338985\t四五萬塊而已做了十年後才可能多四萬多到七萬多那如果說你是讀理工科的話他們薪資可能就會更高了就像半導體業者的話他們都會比較高所以這個就是薪資問題\n340166\t366635\t北溪在提醒你就是薪資問題但是教師的結構他本來就是本縫加學術研究會不能說把他一刀兩切說他的本縫是勞工我想這樣的一個比較是北溪告訴你的你要聽清楚我剛剛有說你他的底薪是兩萬五千元加幾加起來到四五萬有加加幾所以現在這些\n368283\t375631\t勞工的基本工資20年來了他漲幅大概在230%但是我們老師的終點費\n377398\t399854\t大概長在5%到29%長的幅度非常小所以第一個原因就是薪資待遇你可以做一個調整好不好那第二個就是行政工作因為我們的行政人員並沒有設置行政人員老師都要兼行政人員工作非常的辛苦尤其是我們教育政策一直在變遷當下\n401435\t425145\t現在包括的12年國教還有108的課綱老師要做備課要做一些資料報表等等都是勞心勞力非常的辛苦又要來監證這個行政人員的話我相信他們以皮以本命所以這一個改善教師的這個工作環境這是第二點好不好你有沒有發現\n426445\t446518\t你有沒有發現這問題我去年總諮詢也提過了但是並沒有設立行政人員的也感謝委員的一個關注台灣教育的包括老師的這一個工作前夜我也因為這樣跟到北中南東我跟到各地方去跟家長老師\n448946\t468518\t部長家長老師學校你都可以去做一個溝通但是付諸行動制度你要去做啊你都知道但是一年又過去了你都沒有做所以本席提醒你你聽我講因為你剛剛講的只是北中南溝通老師家長\n469358\t482825\t溝通你並沒有付出行動具體的一個政策出來所以本席提醒你新知改善教育環境還有本席要再提醒你第三個就是現在很多家長會投訴\n484326\t509290\t老师要被调查或者是他们很多的工作上身心都会惧乏所以在第一线工作上没有办法去支撑需要有待课老师那现在缺老师教师荒就有待课老师的问题待课老师和代理老师也都不一样在第一线工作的老师他们的薪资不如正式老师\n509710\t531733\t他不如正式老师但是我们在我们的这个工作上有特别的有一个条例是说专任教师可以比照老师但是待课老师他就没有办法比照老师这一点的话我们是不是做一个调整这个是比方是说年资的加紧年资的加紧待课老师有没有年资\n533154\t559768\t戴克老師因為他授課的時數戴克老師的話只上一個學校嗎他只有戴一個禮拜或者兩個禮拜的兩節課或者因為所以他確實以目前來講是沒有部長戴克老師大部分都是學校老師去代理其他同事的課程叫戴克我現在講戴克代理老師\n561479\t576261\t又是不一樣的所以這兩個是不一樣的跟專業老師的待遇是一致的所以我現在是講很多老師偏鄉請不到譬如說數學老師啊公共老師偏鄉老師開學都還請不到我們是不是可以比照\n577522\t591096\t專任老師的方式 我們家計都有給他 偏項都有給他但是師資的家計沒給他 為什麼 本席要提醒你的就是說因為啊 這個代課或代理老師他們\n592878\t611283\t沒有辦法說一個學校就帶課他可能要去找好多學校帶課的機會對不對所以也疲於奔命還要備課所以沒辦法是回饋給學生他的學習的歷程所以這方面可不可以研議可不可以研議給年資的加緊\n612684\t626557\t謝謝委員提醒我想確實如果有這樣屬於代課但是他事實上是在特別偏鄉有一個區域性的好幾個學校比如說本土語言的老師或者這個steam科學的老師他確實這樣的代\n627998\t653406\t我想我們全盤來了解來研議謝謝委員接受我們很高興因為這些都是教育團體提供給本席的都是他們現場第一線的老師提供出來的意見好不好生意是有讓老師生產的臨時要找代理老師代課老師都有這個需要臨時找是不容易找的嘛好不好雖然說有流浪老師但是我們希望這老師還是給他輔導起來可不可以\n656205\t676460\t就是你要有誘因這個誘因就是本席所講的這個部分希望你每一下都去研議教育部我們的態度跟委員是一樣怎麼樣有一個更好的一個教育的環境然後讓學生老師安心教然後學生安心學能夠有一個好的一個學習品質\n678742\t701564\t要安心 再提供你一個意見就是說在改善我們職場當中的話現在我們的國民小學的員額編制在105年提高到1.65到現在將近10年的都沒有再做調整台北現在每個班是1.9 新北是1.7台中也是1.7\n702745\t716462\t那現在我們教育部的規定是1.65那很多學校全台灣的話很多學校都比照你這個底線標準是1.65可不可以這個也來做一個調整調整到1比8還是1比7這樣子好不好\n718104\t739956\t還是那些 我們鼓勵地方就在教育部訂一個最起碼的標準但是你地方怎麼去攬財 留財 提升教育品質 地方是有這個前摺的部長你要說因為地方各自的需要去做調整但是底線標準定在那邊很多學校就會依照你的底線標準來完成 所以\n740496\t754872\t教育部對偏鄉的一些教育部長你去研議可不可以再調整偏鄉條例還有一些我們事實上的不一樣的有的2.0有的就是說對偏鄉的一些教育教育部這一個部分我們事實上是有額外再給一些延額的\n755373\t775589\t不只偏鄉 但是跟你唸的前五名都是台北 新北 桃園 台中所以 請你去研議 調整高一點一比七 或一比八 我想在未來我們會跟地方政府有更積極的討論譬如說在財化法以後 地方有更豐富的一個財源不是 你制度面要先制定好來\n776630\t797368\t你的原來制度標準要定個底線不要再出來啊全國就會一起適用我們這個底線當然我們要跟地方來討論因為持平論教育部如果定的太高我們希望太好但是地方政府沒有辦法去執行的話我想這也圖法就是我們只是好 部長你願意接受那去研議\n799009\t813674\t問題都出來了教師荒很嚴重好不好我跟委員報告一句話委員應該給部長多一點鼓勵因為您剛剛說的大部分關於教師行政職代課老師種種未來一個新的想法\n814656\t833325\t部長在前幾天已經向我報告說明過了那我們會查這個方針 應該給部長多一點努力 你說的問題他不能夠提到這些問題我都點出來了 你去研究來提升我們學校師資的穩定性跟持續性讓我們的老師可以留任 留下來\n833925\t858959\t在第一線為我們的孩子來付出我剛說第一個強調他留任的機制部長都已經提出他的想法我剛點出幾個問題你一定要去做付諸具體的制度出來感謝委員一路來都關心事實上剛才委員所關心的不管校事法或者老師的待遇或者行政原諒或者種種的問題我們事實上也我要利用這個機會要特別謝謝院長他事實上是有指示教育部一定要\n859969\t885721\t正是這些問題然後要有一個延誼有一個相對的一個以實際性謝謝部長請你延誼出來謝謝部長請回謝謝部長請回我現在請國科會的吳主委主委你慢慢走過來因為我時間有限時間暫停好主委也沒問題時間暫停謝謝慢慢走不要急不要摔跤了\n894997\t912864\t因為時間有限我直接切主題那就是我們桃竹苗大細股計劃已經在執行當中那現在我們的龍潭龍科三期有列入大細股的這個計劃裡面那現在因為我們龍科三期在2022年的時候就已經公佈\n913644\t929581\t要來擴充我們的這個科學園區那那時候的話因為是土地範圍沒有跟民眾溝通所以有卡關的情形但是本席跟我們科管局還有市政府都一再的溝通現在大約的土地面積在90公頃左右\n930222\t947207\t那在去年的12月跟3月已經開了兩場公聽會本來是今年的3月應該要送到行政院來核定但是又有民眾要願意納入所以又再舉辦 再啟動公聽會所以本期想請問的就是是不是大廠 國際廠商要進來進步所以你要再重新啟動這個公聽會\n956630\t981592\t因為你從兵器跟工兵分了嘛所以大概是在時期的二、八、九又要開始補位那現在如果郭文貴又完畢又有亞大陸那無限期遙遙無期就一直在\n981932\t990638\t舉辦工程會上所有程序重新啟動嗎是不是也可以確定啟程這次11月28、29工程會完畢就送行政院民兵\n1025564\t1026325\t好 謝謝李玉琳\n","txt":"謝謝主席請卓院長跟教育部的正部長麻煩請卓院長教育部長備詢女文好\n院長 部長教育是我們國家的百年大計也是我們下一代成長的最主要的關鍵那首先本席要來跟你討教我們教師荒的問題託教師荒我相信\n很多的委員也都提過這個問題那根據我們教育部的統計全國公立的國中校共有3303校缺了1429名的代理教師其中國小教師的缺額最高的縣市有新北\n台北跟台中桃園跟彰化國中的部分缺了最高的前5名有新北桃園台北台中跟台南這個就是我們教育現在鬧得人力荒的問題今年是更加的嚴重那尤其是本席桃園地方某個學校他有公告7名的職缺都沒有人來報名那桃園在這個7月31號有公告他的國中\n國文的部分真的40次然後他的數學部分真的46次的老師地理部分真的49次七項職缺通通都沒有人來報名甄選所以請教院長部長這個教育師的教育老師的教育荒這問題我們如何的解決有什麼解決的辦法\n好請部長答問兩個原則第一個先要把教師的留任的意願提高再來熱地的這種缺額然後實際的精算那實際的做法我想教育部是非常努力請部長跟委員報告我們事實上從這一個統計數字來看事實上我們目前中小學總共有老師19萬\n19萬多你這對我的問題缺了老師怎麼樣去補這個辦法我要跟委員報告說我們國中小我們事實上以現在的所有全國的這些大專業校在培養師師他事實上每一年領友證照大概有我知道你都有培訓但是沒有投入第一線的教師工作所以我要跟委員報告就是說我們也利用這段時間在鼓勵\n鼓勵這個地方政府就說因為根據地方自治法本來國民教育就是地方的全責但是教育部在培養師這個部分我們是量是夠的但是地方怎麼樣去攬柴你完全沒有了解到真正的問題我剛剛就講了你有在培訓教師但是沒有投入第一切我就會比較完整的跟委員報告當然老師\n等於說他有教師證他不願意到地方去任教為什麼不到第一線你有沒有發現這個問題科技產業他的一個發達待遇比較好所以薪資有問題嗎還有另外一個譬如說學校我們看到至少我從去年520進來我一直在觀察也是一直希望解決這個問題我們看到家長老師跟校長基本上\n互信不夠這對小孩子的一個教育是不好的部長我也很想提你講完你這個去年發現這個問題到今年一年之間你的努力做了什麼但是我發現你並沒有發現真正的原因所以本席來提醒你告訴你你來做謝謝委員提醒\n那就是因為有這個教師荒的問題在這個BBC這個深度去探討我們台灣年齡層年輕老師的這個斷層的問題在2004年的話我們年輕的老師在30歲以下的話占比\n高中小占比大概在17到23%国中部分的话大概占比在这个将近在20%所以我们看到我们下来的这个占比数一直在下滑到不到10%不到10%这就是为什么第一线的在年龄段层里面不愿意投入到我们第一线来做教育的工作这个发生的问题第一个\n部長你剛好提到了薪資待遇現在我們的老師啊\n的薪資待遇的話在台灣中小學的師資的底薪是兩萬五千元現在的勞工的基本工資是兩萬九千五百元這是不是有落差了雖然老師他有研究家級導師家級跟行政家級跟偏遠地系家級但是這大概在四五萬塊而已\n四五萬塊而已做了十年後才可能多四萬多到七萬多那如果說你是讀理工科的話他們薪資可能就會更高了就像半導體業者的話他們都會比較高所以這個就是薪資問題\n北溪在提醒你就是薪資問題但是教師的結構他本來就是本縫加學術研究會不能說把他一刀兩切說他的本縫是勞工我想這樣的一個比較是北溪告訴你的你要聽清楚我剛剛有說你他的底薪是兩萬五千元加幾加起來到四五萬有加加幾所以現在這些\n勞工的基本工資20年來了他漲幅大概在230%但是我們老師的終點費\n大概長在5%到29%長的幅度非常小所以第一個原因就是薪資待遇你可以做一個調整好不好那第二個就是行政工作因為我們的行政人員並沒有設置行政人員老師都要兼行政人員工作非常的辛苦尤其是我們教育政策一直在變遷當下\n現在包括的12年國教還有108的課綱老師要做備課要做一些資料報表等等都是勞心勞力非常的辛苦又要來監證這個行政人員的話我相信他們以皮以本命所以這一個改善教師的這個工作環境這是第二點好不好你有沒有發現\n你有沒有發現這問題我去年總諮詢也提過了但是並沒有設立行政人員的也感謝委員的一個關注台灣教育的包括老師的這一個工作前夜我也因為這樣跟到北中南東我跟到各地方去跟家長老師\n部長家長老師學校你都可以去做一個溝通但是付諸行動制度你要去做啊你都知道但是一年又過去了你都沒有做所以本席提醒你你聽我講因為你剛剛講的只是北中南溝通老師家長\n溝通你並沒有付出行動具體的一個政策出來所以本席提醒你新知改善教育環境還有本席要再提醒你第三個就是現在很多家長會投訴\n老师要被调查或者是他们很多的工作上身心都会惧乏所以在第一线工作上没有办法去支撑需要有待课老师那现在缺老师教师荒就有待课老师的问题待课老师和代理老师也都不一样在第一线工作的老师他们的薪资不如正式老师\n他不如正式老师但是我们在我们的这个工作上有特别的有一个条例是说专任教师可以比照老师但是待课老师他就没有办法比照老师这一点的话我们是不是做一个调整这个是比方是说年资的加紧年资的加紧待课老师有没有年资\n戴克老師因為他授課的時數戴克老師的話只上一個學校嗎他只有戴一個禮拜或者兩個禮拜的兩節課或者因為所以他確實以目前來講是沒有部長戴克老師大部分都是學校老師去代理其他同事的課程叫戴克我現在講戴克代理老師\n又是不一樣的所以這兩個是不一樣的跟專業老師的待遇是一致的所以我現在是講很多老師偏鄉請不到譬如說數學老師啊公共老師偏鄉老師開學都還請不到我們是不是可以比照\n專任老師的方式 我們家計都有給他 偏項都有給他但是師資的家計沒給他 為什麼 本席要提醒你的就是說因為啊 這個代課或代理老師他們\n沒有辦法說一個學校就帶課他可能要去找好多學校帶課的機會對不對所以也疲於奔命還要備課所以沒辦法是回饋給學生他的學習的歷程所以這方面可不可以研議可不可以研議給年資的加緊\n謝謝委員提醒我想確實如果有這樣屬於代課但是他事實上是在特別偏鄉有一個區域性的好幾個學校比如說本土語言的老師或者這個steam科學的老師他確實這樣的代\n我想我們全盤來了解來研議謝謝委員接受我們很高興因為這些都是教育團體提供給本席的都是他們現場第一線的老師提供出來的意見好不好生意是有讓老師生產的臨時要找代理老師代課老師都有這個需要臨時找是不容易找的嘛好不好雖然說有流浪老師但是我們希望這老師還是給他輔導起來可不可以\n就是你要有誘因這個誘因就是本席所講的這個部分希望你每一下都去研議教育部我們的態度跟委員是一樣怎麼樣有一個更好的一個教育的環境然後讓學生老師安心教然後學生安心學能夠有一個好的一個學習品質\n要安心 再提供你一個意見就是說在改善我們職場當中的話現在我們的國民小學的員額編制在105年提高到1.65到現在將近10年的都沒有再做調整台北現在每個班是1.9 新北是1.7台中也是1.7\n那現在我們教育部的規定是1.65那很多學校全台灣的話很多學校都比照你這個底線標準是1.65可不可以這個也來做一個調整調整到1比8還是1比7這樣子好不好\n還是那些 我們鼓勵地方就在教育部訂一個最起碼的標準但是你地方怎麼去攬財 留財 提升教育品質 地方是有這個前摺的部長你要說因為地方各自的需要去做調整但是底線標準定在那邊很多學校就會依照你的底線標準來完成 所以\n教育部對偏鄉的一些教育部長你去研議可不可以再調整偏鄉條例還有一些我們事實上的不一樣的有的2.0有的就是說對偏鄉的一些教育教育部這一個部分我們事實上是有額外再給一些延額的\n不只偏鄉 但是跟你唸的前五名都是台北 新北 桃園 台中所以 請你去研議 調整高一點一比七 或一比八 我想在未來我們會跟地方政府有更積極的討論譬如說在財化法以後 地方有更豐富的一個財源不是 你制度面要先制定好來\n你的原來制度標準要定個底線不要再出來啊全國就會一起適用我們這個底線當然我們要跟地方來討論因為持平論教育部如果定的太高我們希望太好但是地方政府沒有辦法去執行的話我想這也圖法就是我們只是好 部長你願意接受那去研議\n問題都出來了教師荒很嚴重好不好我跟委員報告一句話委員應該給部長多一點鼓勵因為您剛剛說的大部分關於教師行政職代課老師種種未來一個新的想法\n部長在前幾天已經向我報告說明過了那我們會查這個方針 應該給部長多一點努力 你說的問題他不能夠提到這些問題我都點出來了 你去研究來提升我們學校師資的穩定性跟持續性讓我們的老師可以留任 留下來\n在第一線為我們的孩子來付出我剛說第一個強調他留任的機制部長都已經提出他的想法我剛點出幾個問題你一定要去做付諸具體的制度出來感謝委員一路來都關心事實上剛才委員所關心的不管校事法或者老師的待遇或者行政原諒或者種種的問題我們事實上也我要利用這個機會要特別謝謝院長他事實上是有指示教育部一定要\n正是這些問題然後要有一個延誼有一個相對的一個以實際性謝謝部長請你延誼出來謝謝部長請回謝謝部長請回我現在請國科會的吳主委主委你慢慢走過來因為我時間有限時間暫停好主委也沒問題時間暫停謝謝慢慢走不要急不要摔跤了\n因為時間有限我直接切主題那就是我們桃竹苗大細股計劃已經在執行當中那現在我們的龍潭龍科三期有列入大細股的這個計劃裡面那現在因為我們龍科三期在2022年的時候就已經公佈\n要來擴充我們的這個科學園區那那時候的話因為是土地範圍沒有跟民眾溝通所以有卡關的情形但是本席跟我們科管局還有市政府都一再的溝通現在大約的土地面積在90公頃左右\n那在去年的12月跟3月已經開了兩場公聽會本來是今年的3月應該要送到行政院來核定但是又有民眾要願意納入所以又再舉辦 再啟動公聽會所以本期想請問的就是是不是大廠 國際廠商要進來進步所以你要再重新啟動這個公聽會\n因為你從兵器跟工兵分了嘛所以大概是在時期的二、八、九又要開始補位那現在如果郭文貴又完畢又有亞大陸那無限期遙遙無期就一直在\n舉辦工程會上所有程序重新啟動嗎是不是也可以確定啟程這次11月28、29工程會完畢就送行政院民兵\n好 謝謝李玉琳\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.556 --> 00:18.801\n謝謝主席請卓院長跟教育部的正部長麻煩請卓院長教育部長備詢女文好\n\n00:31.297 --> 00:46.253\n院長部長教育是我們國家的百年大計也是我們下一代成長的最主要的關鍵那首先本席要來跟你討教我們教師荒的問題託教師荒我相信\n\n00:46.773 --> 01:03.932\n很多的委員也都提過這個問題那根據我們教育部的統計全國公立的國中校共有3303校缺了1429名的代理教師其中國小教師的缺額最高的縣市有新北\n\n01:04.432 --> 01:32.940\n台北跟台中桃園跟彰化國中的部分缺了最高的前5名有新北桃園台北台中跟台南這個就是我們教育現在鬧得人力荒的問題今年是更加的嚴重那尤其是本席桃園地方某個學校他有公告7名的職缺都沒有人來報名那桃園在這個7月31號有公告他的國中\n\n01:33.780 --> 01:57.793\n國文的部分真的40次然後他的數學部分真的46次的老師地理部分真的49次七項職缺通通都沒有人來報名甄選所以請教院長部長這個教育師的教育老師的教育荒這問題我們如何的解決有什麼解決的辦法\n\n01:58.527 --> 02:20.217\n好請部長答問兩個原則第一個先要把教師的留任的意願提高再來熱地的這種缺額然後實際的精算那實際的做法我想教育部是非常努力請部長跟委員報告我們事實上從這一個統計數字來看事實上我們目前中小學總共有老師19萬\n\n02:24.639 --> 02:48.991\n19萬多你這對我的問題缺了老師怎麼樣去補這個辦法我要跟委員報告說我們國中小我們事實上以現在的所有全國的這些大專業校在培養師師他事實上每一年領友證照大概有我知道你都有培訓但是沒有投入第一線的教師工作所以我要跟委員報告就是說我們也利用這段時間在鼓勵\n\n02:50.111 --> 03:17.397\n鼓勵這個地方政府就說因為根據地方自治法本來國民教育就是地方的全責但是教育部在培養師這個部分我們是量是夠的但是地方怎麼樣去攬柴你完全沒有了解到真正的問題我剛剛就講了你有在培訓教師但是沒有投入第一切我就會比較完整的跟委員報告當然老師\n\n03:18.837 --> 03:46.858\n等於說他有教師證他不願意到地方去任教為什麼不到第一線你有沒有發現這個問題科技產業他的一個發達待遇比較好所以薪資有問題嗎還有另外一個譬如說學校我們看到至少我從去年520進來我一直在觀察也是一直希望解決這個問題我們看到家長老師跟校長基本上\n\n03:48.004 --> 04:09.024\n互信不夠這對小孩子的一個教育是不好的部長我也很想提你講完你這個去年發現這個問題到今年一年之間你的努力做了什麼但是我發現你並沒有發現真正的原因所以本席來提醒你告訴你你來做謝謝委員提醒\n\n04:10.405 --> 04:19.656\n那就是因為有這個教師荒的問題在這個BBC這個深度去探討我們台灣年齡層年輕老師的這個斷層的問題在2004年的話我們年輕的老師在30歲以下的話占比\n\n04:26.403 --> 04:52.673\n高中小占比大概在17到23%国中部分的话大概占比在这个将近在20%所以我们看到我们下来的这个占比数一直在下滑到不到10%不到10%这就是为什么第一线的在年龄段层里面不愿意投入到我们第一线来做教育的工作这个发生的问题第一个\n\n04:53.413 --> 04:58.215\n部長你剛好提到了薪資待遇現在我們的老師啊\n\n04:59.929 --> 05:23.049\n的薪資待遇的話在台灣中小學的師資的底薪是兩萬五千元現在的勞工的基本工資是兩萬九千五百元這是不是有落差了雖然老師他有研究家級導師家級跟行政家級跟偏遠地系家級但是這大概在四五萬塊而已\n\n05:23.769 --> 05:38.985\n四五萬塊而已做了十年後才可能多四萬多到七萬多那如果說你是讀理工科的話他們薪資可能就會更高了就像半導體業者的話他們都會比較高所以這個就是薪資問題\n\n05:40.166 --> 06:06.635\n北溪在提醒你就是薪資問題但是教師的結構他本來就是本縫加學術研究會不能說把他一刀兩切說他的本縫是勞工我想這樣的一個比較是北溪告訴你的你要聽清楚我剛剛有說你他的底薪是兩萬五千元加幾加起來到四五萬有加加幾所以現在這些\n\n06:08.283 --> 06:15.631\n勞工的基本工資20年來了他漲幅大概在230%但是我們老師的終點費\n\n06:17.398 --> 06:39.854\n大概長在5%到29%長的幅度非常小所以第一個原因就是薪資待遇你可以做一個調整好不好那第二個就是行政工作因為我們的行政人員並沒有設置行政人員老師都要兼行政人員工作非常的辛苦尤其是我們教育政策一直在變遷當下\n\n06:41.435 --> 07:05.145\n現在包括的12年國教還有108的課綱老師要做備課要做一些資料報表等等都是勞心勞力非常的辛苦又要來監證這個行政人員的話我相信他們以皮以本命所以這一個改善教師的這個工作環境這是第二點好不好你有沒有發現\n\n07:06.445 --> 07:26.518\n你有沒有發現這問題我去年總諮詢也提過了但是並沒有設立行政人員的也感謝委員的一個關注台灣教育的包括老師的這一個工作前夜我也因為這樣跟到北中南東我跟到各地方去跟家長老師\n\n07:28.946 --> 07:48.518\n部長家長老師學校你都可以去做一個溝通但是付諸行動制度你要去做啊你都知道但是一年又過去了你都沒有做所以本席提醒你你聽我講因為你剛剛講的只是北中南溝通老師家長\n\n07:49.358 --> 08:02.825\n溝通你並沒有付出行動具體的一個政策出來所以本席提醒你新知改善教育環境還有本席要再提醒你第三個就是現在很多家長會投訴\n\n08:04.326 --> 08:29.290\n老师要被调查或者是他们很多的工作上身心都会惧乏所以在第一线工作上没有办法去支撑需要有待课老师那现在缺老师教师荒就有待课老师的问题待课老师和代理老师也都不一样在第一线工作的老师他们的薪资不如正式老师\n\n08:29.710 --> 08:51.733\n他不如正式老师但是我们在我们的这个工作上有特别的有一个条例是说专任教师可以比照老师但是待课老师他就没有办法比照老师这一点的话我们是不是做一个调整这个是比方是说年资的加紧年资的加紧待课老师有没有年资\n\n08:53.154 --> 09:19.768\n戴克老師因為他授課的時數戴克老師的話只上一個學校嗎他只有戴一個禮拜或者兩個禮拜的兩節課或者因為所以他確實以目前來講是沒有部長戴克老師大部分都是學校老師去代理其他同事的課程叫戴克我現在講戴克代理老師\n\n09:21.479 --> 09:36.261\n又是不一樣的所以這兩個是不一樣的跟專業老師的待遇是一致的所以我現在是講很多老師偏鄉請不到譬如說數學老師啊公共老師偏鄉老師開學都還請不到我們是不是可以比照\n\n09:37.522 --> 09:51.096\n專任老師的方式我們家計都有給他偏項都有給他但是師資的家計沒給他為什麼本席要提醒你的就是說因為啊這個代課或代理老師他們\n\n09:52.878 --> 10:11.283\n沒有辦法說一個學校就帶課他可能要去找好多學校帶課的機會對不對所以也疲於奔命還要備課所以沒辦法是回饋給學生他的學習的歷程所以這方面可不可以研議可不可以研議給年資的加緊\n\n10:12.684 --> 10:26.557\n謝謝委員提醒我想確實如果有這樣屬於代課但是他事實上是在特別偏鄉有一個區域性的好幾個學校比如說本土語言的老師或者這個steam科學的老師他確實這樣的代\n\n10:27.998 --> 10:53.406\n我想我們全盤來了解來研議謝謝委員接受我們很高興因為這些都是教育團體提供給本席的都是他們現場第一線的老師提供出來的意見好不好生意是有讓老師生產的臨時要找代理老師代課老師都有這個需要臨時找是不容易找的嘛好不好雖然說有流浪老師但是我們希望這老師還是給他輔導起來可不可以\n\n10:56.205 --> 11:16.460\n就是你要有誘因這個誘因就是本席所講的這個部分希望你每一下都去研議教育部我們的態度跟委員是一樣怎麼樣有一個更好的一個教育的環境然後讓學生老師安心教然後學生安心學能夠有一個好的一個學習品質\n\n11:18.742 --> 11:41.564\n要安心再提供你一個意見就是說在改善我們職場當中的話現在我們的國民小學的員額編制在105年提高到1.65到現在將近10年的都沒有再做調整台北現在每個班是1.9新北是1.7台中也是1.7\n\n11:42.745 --> 11:56.462\n那現在我們教育部的規定是1.65那很多學校全台灣的話很多學校都比照你這個底線標準是1.65可不可以這個也來做一個調整調整到1比8還是1比7這樣子好不好\n\n11:58.104 --> 12:19.956\n還是那些我們鼓勵地方就在教育部訂一個最起碼的標準但是你地方怎麼去攬財留財提升教育品質地方是有這個前摺的部長你要說因為地方各自的需要去做調整但是底線標準定在那邊很多學校就會依照你的底線標準來完成所以\n\n12:20.496 --> 12:34.872\n教育部對偏鄉的一些教育部長你去研議可不可以再調整偏鄉條例還有一些我們事實上的不一樣的有的2.0有的就是說對偏鄉的一些教育教育部這一個部分我們事實上是有額外再給一些延額的\n\n12:35.373 --> 12:55.589\n不只偏鄉但是跟你唸的前五名都是台北新北桃園台中所以請你去研議調整高一點一比七或一比八我想在未來我們會跟地方政府有更積極的討論譬如說在財化法以後地方有更豐富的一個財源不是你制度面要先制定好來\n\n12:56.630 --> 13:17.368\n你的原來制度標準要定個底線不要再出來啊全國就會一起適用我們這個底線當然我們要跟地方來討論因為持平論教育部如果定的太高我們希望太好但是地方政府沒有辦法去執行的話我想這也圖法就是我們只是好部長你願意接受那去研議\n\n13:19.009 --> 13:33.674\n問題都出來了教師荒很嚴重好不好我跟委員報告一句話委員應該給部長多一點鼓勵因為您剛剛說的大部分關於教師行政職代課老師種種未來一個新的想法\n\n13:34.656 --> 13:53.325\n部長在前幾天已經向我報告說明過了那我們會查這個方針應該給部長多一點努力你說的問題他不能夠提到這些問題我都點出來了你去研究來提升我們學校師資的穩定性跟持續性讓我們的老師可以留任留下來\n\n13:53.925 --> 14:18.959\n在第一線為我們的孩子來付出我剛說第一個強調他留任的機制部長都已經提出他的想法我剛點出幾個問題你一定要去做付諸具體的制度出來感謝委員一路來都關心事實上剛才委員所關心的不管校事法或者老師的待遇或者行政原諒或者種種的問題我們事實上也我要利用這個機會要特別謝謝院長他事實上是有指示教育部一定要\n\n14:19.969 --> 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