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00:02:48,827\n清華大學因為他就在當地啊應該是舊地人才的肯定是嘛因為清華大學在桃竹苗大細股計畫當中肯定是一個人才佈局很重要的一個學府嘛對不對是嘛OK好那我想說因為在整個配合在地需求延攬培育人才當中有好多好多的子計畫\n\n9\n00:02:51,168 --> 00:03:04,954\n很多裡面的時候包括成立重點的研究學校或者是科專等等或者說有一些產業碩士等等很多的部分都是教育部這邊相關的\n\n10\n00:03:06,255 --> 00:03:32,225\n那清華大學因為為了要配合我們桃九毛大細股計畫他也提出了很多的一個具體的一個計畫出來包括要擴大招生還有擴大師資的一個部分然後希望建置一個校園的一個改善跟整個強化資訊安全系統然後跟整個教職員的一個部分這些部分都是為了要去符合桃九毛大細股計畫包括我們經濟部在講AI產業當中未來\n\n11\n00:03:34,306 --> 00:03:58,800\n五年的時候要增加20萬個就業人口一樣的一個狀態都在培育人才可是我發現就是清華大學很積極可是教育部的回應很冷淡院長知不知道這個事情這個應該要請教育部來比較了解謝謝委員關心這個我們產業重點產業的一些人才培育跟產業的發展\n\n12\n00:04:01,575 --> 00:04:23,753\n確實清華大學它是一個非常有品牌也非常非常好的一個大學頂尖大學那也跟委員報告在清華大學它的一個校務即校務發展配合產業所培養人才基本上教育部都是樂觀其成持平而論我們是擔心清華他老師的教學負荷量太高他不願意申請\n\n13\n00:04:24,554 --> 00:04:30,317\n太多的這些民眾的增加也就是說我要跟文報告這麼多我在一分鐘有跟文報告因為清華大學我剛提的計畫你需要教育部怎麼回嗎教育部回他們了直接公文回他們說依程序申請\n\n14\n00:04:42,724 --> 00:05:03,045\n然後教育部說到時候試資源條件再來核定那我要特別講的狀態是如果清華大學很願意很積極那部長剛剛提到說你剛剛還在擔心清華大學不願意太積極去做怕增加太多的loading那現在清華大學他們願意去做希望部長給他們更多的支持好不好\n\n15\n00:05:03,505 --> 00:05:18,197\n這是肯定的但是我要跟委員報告他最近有一個案子是因為新的年度的這個這個戲所的名額都已經核定了然後他才要申請就說我們有一定程序的申請在這個軌道上\n\n16\n00:05:19,718 --> 00:05:35,409\n那你現在口頭上也答應要給清華大學更多的一個支持那這樣就夠了我們會讓清華大學在基本上在提出的計畫希望教育部這邊給他們更多的一個支持那我這邊希望請教一下院長部長可以齁我請教一下院長\n\n17\n00:05:36,149 --> 00:05:59,770\n我們這邊呢因為我剛剛提到說從1月20號開始的時候我們有個中央跟地方的跨平台的一個溝通的狀態針對桃園灣大西湖計畫可是到現在十個月都沒有開會我在想可不可以就是院長承諾一下我們接下來每一個月能夠針對這個跨中央地方的一個溝通平台的時候能夠建立一個越都島的一個制度可不可以\n\n18\n00:06:00,455 --> 00:06:15,266\n好跟委員報告桃竹苗大矽谷跟我們現在推動的大南方新矽谷我會說這是兩個引擎帶動國家的高科技產業所以我們不會讓它沒有進度的那您說的那個平台應該是屬於國發會在主持的那國發會\n\n19\n00:06:20,607 --> 00:06:46,989\n據知國發會應該是有開過會議1月10號開過1月20號開過之後就沒有了所以我這邊只是希望說院長承諾一下報告委員昨天有再開過昨天再開又開了那有開其實好事可是我希望院長這邊承諾一下我們有一個越都島的一個機制把這管考部分抓緊一點好不好好的應該的好感謝那我接下來我想請教一下因為那個\n\n20\n00:06:48,450 --> 00:07:09,928\n台美的對等關稅的問題其實因為還沒有做最後的一個結論那這過程當中有很多的部分那我今天針對台積電的問題要就教於行政院長因為我們的行政院副院長也直接表示要幫川普來建立美版的竹科然後要來換取我們關稅的一個優惠這是一個\n\n21\n00:07:12,910 --> 00:07:35,760\n然後我們的副總統他也特別提到我們已經承諾要在美投資不僅是台積電還包括了整個生態系那這個部分的時候表示副總統已經很清楚提到了台灣的半導體供應鏈會一起赴美那這樣子的一件事情的時候我想針對這個部分請教一下院長在這麼多的訊息當中\n\n22\n00:07:37,421 --> 00:07:53,935\n那美國的官員提到了台積電的高階製程要五五分百分之五十要在美國生產這個部分我們行政院有沒有具體的態度兩個方面跟委員回答我想行政院從來沒有說過美版竹科這四個字\n\n23\n00:07:54,515 --> 00:08:13,884\n竹科就是竹科竹科的經驗很難在其他地方國家來複製的但是我們現在跟美國成立一個服務園區那不是美版的竹科那是一種服務台商也服務在地的廠商以後做更多人才資金的合作第二個所有的五五分這個議題是一直是不存在的\n\n24\n00:08:14,144 --> 00:08:42,193\n都不存在嗎都不存在的OK那院長我這邊跟你講幾個部分因為我們看了那個就是台積電的一個法說會的相關報告裡面還有我們目前整個一些幾個相關的指標那我這邊是參考了美國那個國際貿易委員會還有一些相關的國外的一些研究機構他們提出來的狀態2024年台灣的GDP大概是7690億美元我用美元來計算因為後面也都是用美元來算那台灣政府的稅收大概在3.73\n\n25\n00:08:43,934 --> 00:09:07,625\n造台幣就是1127億美元左右那我們政府的稅收大概佔整個名目GDP大概14%然後按照美國國際貿易委員會他這邊提出來的一些指標出來說台灣的半導體產業佔台灣GDP的13%到20%因為不同的一個研究機構他們出來的一個數字有點落差我一樣\n\n26\n00:09:08,385 --> 00:09:24,816\n就是透明的一個呈現那這樣表示說在台灣大概每七八塊賺七八塊的錢大概就有一塊是半導體產業出來的所以半導體產業它如果出現很大的變化的時候對台灣肯定是很大的影響這很簡單的概念應該沒有問題對不對院長\n\n27\n00:09:27,511 --> 00:09:42,945\n這個論述的方向是對的那是不是精準到這個部分這沒問題因為我這邊也有一個論據在這個論述方向基本上是對的謝謝院長那這邊的時候我們也看到科學園區竹科中科跟南科在去年2024年的時候\n\n28\n00:09:45,526 --> 00:10:03,158\n在整個機體電路的一個產值已經佔全部科學園區的79.99%將近八成所以台灣非常的依賴半導體這個產業那我們看到了這個部分的時候我要特別提到的一個情況是說因為目前為止\n\n29\n00:10:04,841 --> 00:10:27,600\n台積電確定要到美國去投資就超過1650億美元在日本投資有200億美元在德國投資有110億美元加起來將近2000億美元這是已經浮上檯面的院長你知道今年台積電的資本投資幾乎都在台灣是多少錢你知道嗎\n\n30\n00:10:28,940 --> 00:10:45,330\n應該不知道我直接簡單跟你講他的法說當直接講說在400億到420億當我們有將近2000億的資本要投資到海外去的時候將近是五年2025年台積電在台灣的投資金額這對台灣的經濟產業還有高所得\n\n31\n00:10:50,438 --> 00:11:09,423\n家庭等等會有多大的影響我不知道院長這邊有沒有要求我們相關的單位做出一個台灣高階半導體製程移到海外去之後會對台灣產生的影響的評估有沒有細節我請主委但是我認為這個是產業自己\n\n32\n00:11:12,458 --> 00:11:22,246\n全球佈局的一個方式再來他投資的這兩千億委員所說的不是一年兩千億所以我也直接講所以2025年台積電法術會長他2025年投資的資本投資是420億而且大部分在台灣\n\n33\n00:11:29,412 --> 00:11:44,243\n那接下來這2000億當中的時候如果以2025年的標準等於25年的投資金額它都不在台灣未來台積電在台灣的設廠投資還是會最多的理解所以台積電在台灣的投資不會停下來它不會減少\n\n34\n00:11:47,225 --> 00:12:01,601\n那他在海外的投資他也會透過董事會的同意也會逐年來編列啦這個部分都沒有問題主委院長這都沒有問題我只是要呈現出一個狀態就是台積電他基本上\n\n35\n00:12:02,202 --> 00:12:17,816\n到海外去投資這麼大規模的時候很多民眾還會擔心台灣的半導體業被掏空再加上當時我們經濟部這邊在講說境外關內境內關外這樣的一個投資要讓很多產業跟著半導體\n\n36\n00:12:18,977 --> 00:12:37,131\n現在不只是產業鏈外移以副總統的說法是整個生態系的一個外移那以這樣的狀態的時候我們很擔心所以我們希望行政院能夠針對台積電高製程高階製程的部分能夠做更進一步的評估到底對台灣會產生怎麼樣子的一個影響\n\n37\n00:12:37,731 --> 00:13:03,808\n好委員這個其實我們都一直在關注一直在評估一直在跟台積電在討論這個事情我們的先進製程研發絕對留在台灣台灣的投資不會減少不會中斷因為現在供不應求所以我們在海外是增加投資增加投資的原因是因為台積電的收入一直不斷的在成長所以他有本他有本錢可以往所以主委所以你的意思是說今年台積電在台灣投資420億美元\n\n38\n00:13:05,709 --> 00:13:31,428\n明年接下来几年也都会持续这么高金额的投资资本投资在台湾吗在台湾的投资也会基于我们在园区开发的这个速度不见得是同样的但是一定会增加因为台积电它是一个企业这本席都会理解可是我要讲的状态是台积电420亿2025年的资本投入在台湾它基本上占了台湾GDP的5.2%\n\n39\n00:13:34,110 --> 00:13:57,300\n非常非常的高如果接下來台積電沒有繼續在台灣投資的時候我覺得台灣的經濟成長產生非常令人擔心的問題所以本席只是希望我們行政院包括我們國科會經濟部相關的單位能夠好好的去因應這樣子的一個問題因為我剛剛舉的那幾個具體的數字都是很客觀的一個數字出來\n\n40\n00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:12,052\n我們現在這兩千億就是五年台積電在台灣投資的一個金額兩點跟委員報告基於政府的全球產業的戰略跟我們所有產業自主性的全球佈局跟留台灣以台灣為優先這個絕對沒有改變\n\n41\n00:14:13,954 --> 00:14:29,932\n另外現在包括台積電在內其他國內的在世界有指標作用的科技大廠還一直在尋覓適合的地點能夠進行他們擴廠投資那這個部分政府會協助他們我們也希望地方政府能夠一起來協助讓產業能夠在台灣繼續增加他的投資\n\n42\n00:14:33,415 --> 00:14:49,735\n這沒問題因為我在想說我們都希望台灣好也希望台積電能夠繼續帶動台灣的經濟成長只是說因為美國給他們用就是組合權在給台灣壓力我們希望政府也一樣有一套組合權去回應美國給的壓力我們不只是解決關稅的問題也要解決整個產業的問題\n\n43\n00:14:53,419 --> 00:15:16,723\n那麼當然包括了我們台灣最依賴的半導體相關的一個產業我們這個生態系好不容易建立起來不要因為短短為了現在要去滿足川普政府的一個壓力的時候我們就完全拱手浪出去我覺得這會造成台灣未來非常令人憂心的一個經濟跟國安的狀態報告委員我們絕對一定會把台灣的這個產業持續壯大\n\n44\n00:15:29,472 --> 00:15:29,873\n好谢谢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3615\t6871\t謝謝主席 我想請一下周榮泰院長再請周院長備詢\n16584\t39754\t政委員好院長好我延續剛剛呂玉玲委員她針對桃竹苗大矽谷的問題我也跟著問一下因為賴總統在2020年選舉的時候桃竹苗大矽谷是她很重要的一個產業政策的一環因為它涵蓋面非常的廣包括了空間的問題包括了教育的問題人才的問題產業的問題還包括了生活的問題等等\n41655\t67567\t確實也在2024年9月就是主任長上來之後也正式的宣布上路了確實也很熱鬧也吸引了大家很多的關注那麼在1月20號的時候今年1月20號的時候中央跟地方政府也達成了一個共識決定要建立桃竹苗大細股計畫的一個溝通平台中央跨部會跟地方政府的院長知道這個事情嘛對不對\n68917\t86924\t桃州苗大氣谷一直是我們六大區域產業生活區的領頭最先核定的部分所以說我們在1月20號的時候呢中央有決定跨部會跟地方成立一個溝通的一個平台可是10個月過去了到現在一次會都沒有開\n88385\t108708\t那我这边比较疑惑的是我们大戏谷计划只是一个选举竞选的一个口号还是真的要如实如实的去下去推可不可以请院长口头回答当然不是我们在大戏谷桃树苗大戏谷的计划之后我们其他的六大区域产业生活区域的计划都依序的都核定了这个是未来\n109629\t135910\t要襯托台灣基礎建設重要的一個生活指標那很好那我想說陶俊華大西湖計畫裡面他有四大策略包括深耕在地前瞻科技驅動產業創新然後強化深科技新創發展然後第三點在配合在地需求延攬與培育人才這跟教育部有關那麼優化園區建設構築科技廊帶跟整個國科有關我想請教的狀態是在第三點的部分\n136650\t148076\t就是延攬在地的需求跟培育人才我想請教清華大學是不是在我們這次桃秋喵大西湖計畫當中人才佈局裡面的主軸學府\n149505\t168827\t清華大學 因為他就在當地啊 應該是舊地人才的肯定是嘛 因為清華大學在桃竹苗大細股計畫當中肯定是一個人才佈局很重要的一個學府嘛 對不對是嘛 OK 好那我想說 因為在整個配合在地需求延攬培育人才當中有好多好多的子計畫\n171168\t184954\t很多裡面的時候包括成立重點的研究學校或者是科專等等或者說有一些產業碩士等等很多的部分都是教育部這邊相關的\n186255\t212225\t那清華大學因為為了要配合我們桃九毛大細股計畫他也提出了很多的一個具體的一個計畫出來包括要擴大招生還有擴大師資的一個部分然後希望建置一個校園的一個改善跟整個強化資訊安全系統然後跟整個教職員的一個部分這些部分都是為了要去符合桃九毛大細股計畫包括我們經濟部在講AI產業當中未來\n214306\t238800\t五年的時候要增加20萬個就業人口一樣的一個狀態都在培育人才可是我發現就是清華大學很積極可是教育部的回應很冷淡院長知不知道這個事情這個應該要請教育部來比較了解謝謝委員關心這個我們產業重點產業的一些人才培育跟產業的發展\n241575\t263753\t確實清華大學它是一個非常有品牌也非常非常好的一個大學頂尖大學那也跟委員報告在清華大學它的一個校務即校務發展配合產業所培養人才基本上教育部都是樂觀其成持平而論我們是擔心清華他老師的教學負荷量太高他不願意申請\n264554\t270317\t太多的這些民眾的增加也就是說我要跟文報告這麼多我在一分鐘有跟文報告因為清華大學我剛提的計畫你需要教育部怎麼回嗎教育部回他們了直接公文回他們說依程序申請\n282724\t303045\t然後教育部說到時候試資源條件再來核定那我要特別講的狀態是如果清華大學很願意很積極那部長剛剛提到說你剛剛還在擔心清華大學不願意太積極去做怕增加太多的loading那現在清華大學他們願意去做希望部長給他們更多的支持好不好\n303505\t318197\t這是肯定的 但是我要跟委員報告他最近有一個案子是因為新的年度的這個這個戲所的名額都已經核定了然後他才要申請就說我們有一定程序的申請在這個軌道上\n319718\t335409\t那你現在口頭上也答應要給清華大學更多的一個支持那這樣就夠了我們會讓清華大學在基本上在提出的計畫希望教育部這邊給他們更多的一個支持那我這邊希望請教一下院長部長可以齁我請教一下院長\n336149\t359770\t我們這邊呢 因為我剛剛提到說從1月20號開始的時候我們有個中央跟地方的跨平台的一個溝通的狀態針對桃園灣大西湖計畫可是到現在十個月都沒有開會我在想可不可以就是院長承諾一下我們接下來每一個月能夠針對這個跨中央地方的一個溝通平台的時候能夠建立一個越都島的一個制度可不可以\n360455\t375266\t好 跟委員報告桃竹苗大矽谷跟我們現在推動的大南方新矽谷我會說這是兩個引擎帶動國家的高科技產業所以我們不會讓它沒有進度的那您說的那個平台應該是屬於國發會在主持的那國發會\n380607\t406989\t據知國發會應該是有開過會議1月10號開過1月20號開過之後就沒有了所以我這邊只是希望說院長承諾一下報告委員昨天有再開過昨天再開又開了那有開其實好事可是我希望院長這邊承諾一下我們有一個越都島的一個機制把這管考部分抓緊一點好不好好的應該的好感謝那我接下來我想請教一下因為那個\n408450\t429928\t台美的對等關稅的問題其實因為還沒有做最後的一個結論那這過程當中有很多的部分那我今天針對台積電的問題要就教於行政院長因為我們的行政院副院長也直接表示要幫川普來建立美版的竹科然後要來換取我們關稅的一個優惠這是一個\n432910\t455760\t然後我們的副總統他也特別提到我們已經承諾要在美投資不僅是台積電還包括了整個生態系那這個部分的時候表示副總統已經很清楚提到了台灣的半導體供應鏈會一起赴美那這樣子的一件事情的時候我想針對這個部分請教一下院長在這麼多的訊息當中\n457421\t473935\t那美國的官員提到了台積電的高階製程要五五分百分之五十要在美國生產這個部分我們行政院有沒有具體的態度兩個方面跟委員回答我想行政院從來沒有說過美版竹科這四個字\n474515\t493884\t竹科就是竹科竹科的經驗很難在其他地方國家來複製的但是我們現在跟美國成立一個服務園區那不是美版的竹科那是一種服務台商也服務在地的廠商以後做更多人才資金的合作第二個所有的五五分這個議題是一直是不存在的\n494144\t522193\t都不存在嗎 都不存在的OK 那院長我這邊跟你講幾個部分因為我們看了那個就是台積電的一個法說會的相關報告裡面還有我們目前整個一些幾個相關的指標那我這邊是參考了美國那個國際貿易委員會還有一些相關的國外的一些研究機構他們提出來的狀態2024年台灣的GDP大概是7690億美元我用美元來計算因為後面也都是用美元來算那台灣政府的稅收大概在3.73\n523934\t547625\t造台幣就是1127億美元左右那我們政府的稅收大概佔整個名目GDP大概14%然後按照美國國際貿易委員會他這邊提出來的一些指標出來說台灣的半導體產業佔台灣GDP的13%到20%因為不同的一個研究機構他們出來的一個數字有點落差我一樣\n548385\t564816\t就是透明的一個呈現那這樣表示說在台灣大概每七八塊賺七八塊的錢大概就有一塊是半導體產業出來的所以半導體產業它如果出現很大的變化的時候對台灣肯定是很大的影響這很簡單的概念應該沒有問題對不對 院長\n567511\t582945\t這個論述的方向是對的那是不是精準到這個部分這沒問題因為我這邊也有一個論據在這個論述方向基本上是對的謝謝院長那這邊的時候我們也看到科學園區竹科中科跟南科在去年2024年的時候\n585526\t603158\t在整個機體電路的一個產值已經佔全部科學園區的79.99%將近八成所以台灣非常的依賴半導體這個產業那我們看到了這個部分的時候我要特別提到的一個情況是說因為目前為止\n604841\t627600\t台積電確定要到美國去投資就超過1650億美元在日本投資有200億美元在德國投資有110億美元加起來將近2000億美元這是已經浮上檯面的院長你知道今年台積電的資本投資幾乎都在台灣是多少錢你知道嗎\n628940\t645330\t應該不知道我直接簡單跟你講他的法說當直接講說在400億到420億當我們有將近2000億的資本要投資到海外去的時候將近是五年2025年台積電在台灣的投資金額這對台灣的經濟產業還有高所得\n650438\t669423\t家庭等等會有多大的影響我不知道院長這邊有沒有要求我們相關的單位做出一個台灣高階半導體製程移到海外去之後會對台灣產生的影響的評估有沒有細節我請主委但是我認為這個是產業自己\n672458\t682246\t全球佈局的一個方式再來他投資的這兩千億委員所說的不是一年兩千億所以我也直接講所以2025年台積電法術會長他2025年投資的資本投資是420億而且大部分在台灣\n689412\t704243\t那接下來這2000億當中的時候如果以2025年的標準等於25年的投資金額它都不在台灣未來台積電在台灣的設廠投資還是會最多的理解所以台積電在台灣的投資不會停下來它不會減少\n707225\t721601\t那他在海外的投資他也會透過董事會的同意也會逐年來編列啦這個部分都沒有問題主委 院長這都沒有問題我只是要呈現出一個狀態就是台積電他基本上\n722202\t737816\t到海外去投資這麼大規模的時候很多民眾還會擔心台灣的半導體業被掏空再加上當時我們經濟部這邊在講說境外關內 境內關外這樣的一個投資要讓很多產業跟著半導體\n738977\t757131\t現在不只是產業鏈外移以副總統的說法是整個生態系的一個外移那以這樣的狀態的時候我們很擔心所以我們希望行政院能夠針對台積電高製程高階製程的部分能夠做更進一步的評估到底對台灣會產生怎麼樣子的一個影響\n757731\t783808\t好委員這個其實我們都一直在關注一直在評估一直在跟台積電在討論這個事情我們的先進製程研發絕對留在台灣台灣的投資不會減少不會中斷因為現在供不應求所以我們在海外是增加投資增加投資的原因是因為台積電的收入一直不斷的在成長所以他有本他有本錢可以往所以主委所以你的意思是說今年台積電在台灣投資420億美元\n785709\t811428\t明年接下来几年也都会持续这么高金额的投资资本投资在台湾吗在台湾的投资也会基于我们在园区开发的这个速度不见得是同样的但是一定会增加因为台积电它是一个企业这本席都会理解可是我要讲的状态是台积电420亿2025年的资本投入在台湾它基本上占了台湾GDP的5.2%\n814110\t837300\t非常非常的高如果接下來台積電沒有繼續在台灣投資的時候我覺得台灣的經濟成長產生非常令人擔心的問題所以本席只是希望我們行政院包括我們國科會經濟部相關的單位能夠好好的去因應這樣子的一個問題因為我剛剛舉的那幾個具體的數字都是很客觀的一個數字出來\n838280\t852052\t我們現在這兩千億就是五年台積電在台灣投資的一個金額兩點跟委員報告基於政府的全球產業的戰略跟我們所有產業自主性的全球佈局跟留台灣 以台灣為優先這個絕對沒有改變\n853954\t869932\t另外現在包括台積電在內其他國內的在世界有指標作用的科技大廠還一直在尋覓適合的地點能夠進行他們擴廠投資那這個部分政府會協助他們我們也希望地方政府能夠一起來協助讓產業能夠在台灣繼續增加他的投資\n873415\t889735\t這沒問題 因為我在想說我們都希望台灣好也希望台積電能夠繼續帶動台灣的經濟成長只是說因為美國給他們用就是組合權在給台灣壓力我們希望政府也一樣有一套組合權去回應美國給的壓力我們不只是解決關稅的問題也要解決整個產業的問題\n893419\t916723\t那麼當然包括了我們台灣最依賴的半導體相關的一個產業我們這個生態系好不容易建立起來不要因為短短為了現在要去滿足川普政府的一個壓力的時候我們就完全拱手浪出去我覺得這會造成台灣未來非常令人憂心的一個經濟跟國安的狀態報告委員 我們絕對一定會把台灣的這個產業持續壯大\n929472\t929873\t好谢谢\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我想請一下周榮泰院長再請周院長備詢\n政委員好院長好我延續剛剛呂玉玲委員她針對桃竹苗大矽谷的問題我也跟著問一下因為賴總統在2020年選舉的時候桃竹苗大矽谷是她很重要的一個產業政策的一環因為它涵蓋面非常的廣包括了空間的問題包括了教育的問題人才的問題產業的問題還包括了生活的問題等等\n確實也在2024年9月就是主任長上來之後也正式的宣布上路了確實也很熱鬧也吸引了大家很多的關注那麼在1月20號的時候今年1月20號的時候中央跟地方政府也達成了一個共識決定要建立桃竹苗大細股計畫的一個溝通平台中央跨部會跟地方政府的院長知道這個事情嘛對不對\n桃州苗大氣谷一直是我們六大區域產業生活區的領頭最先核定的部分所以說我們在1月20號的時候呢中央有決定跨部會跟地方成立一個溝通的一個平台可是10個月過去了到現在一次會都沒有開\n那我这边比较疑惑的是我们大戏谷计划只是一个选举竞选的一个口号还是真的要如实如实的去下去推可不可以请院长口头回答当然不是我们在大戏谷桃树苗大戏谷的计划之后我们其他的六大区域产业生活区域的计划都依序的都核定了这个是未来\n要襯托台灣基礎建設重要的一個生活指標那很好那我想說陶俊華大西湖計畫裡面他有四大策略包括深耕在地前瞻科技驅動產業創新然後強化深科技新創發展然後第三點在配合在地需求延攬與培育人才這跟教育部有關那麼優化園區建設構築科技廊帶跟整個國科有關我想請教的狀態是在第三點的部分\n就是延攬在地的需求跟培育人才我想請教清華大學是不是在我們這次桃秋喵大西湖計畫當中人才佈局裡面的主軸學府\n清華大學 因為他就在當地啊 應該是舊地人才的肯定是嘛 因為清華大學在桃竹苗大細股計畫當中肯定是一個人才佈局很重要的一個學府嘛 對不對是嘛 OK 好那我想說 因為在整個配合在地需求延攬培育人才當中有好多好多的子計畫\n很多裡面的時候包括成立重點的研究學校或者是科專等等或者說有一些產業碩士等等很多的部分都是教育部這邊相關的\n那清華大學因為為了要配合我們桃九毛大細股計畫他也提出了很多的一個具體的一個計畫出來包括要擴大招生還有擴大師資的一個部分然後希望建置一個校園的一個改善跟整個強化資訊安全系統然後跟整個教職員的一個部分這些部分都是為了要去符合桃九毛大細股計畫包括我們經濟部在講AI產業當中未來\n五年的時候要增加20萬個就業人口一樣的一個狀態都在培育人才可是我發現就是清華大學很積極可是教育部的回應很冷淡院長知不知道這個事情這個應該要請教育部來比較了解謝謝委員關心這個我們產業重點產業的一些人才培育跟產業的發展\n確實清華大學它是一個非常有品牌也非常非常好的一個大學頂尖大學那也跟委員報告在清華大學它的一個校務即校務發展配合產業所培養人才基本上教育部都是樂觀其成持平而論我們是擔心清華他老師的教學負荷量太高他不願意申請\n太多的這些民眾的增加也就是說我要跟文報告這麼多我在一分鐘有跟文報告因為清華大學我剛提的計畫你需要教育部怎麼回嗎教育部回他們了直接公文回他們說依程序申請\n然後教育部說到時候試資源條件再來核定那我要特別講的狀態是如果清華大學很願意很積極那部長剛剛提到說你剛剛還在擔心清華大學不願意太積極去做怕增加太多的loading那現在清華大學他們願意去做希望部長給他們更多的支持好不好\n這是肯定的 但是我要跟委員報告他最近有一個案子是因為新的年度的這個這個戲所的名額都已經核定了然後他才要申請就說我們有一定程序的申請在這個軌道上\n那你現在口頭上也答應要給清華大學更多的一個支持那這樣就夠了我們會讓清華大學在基本上在提出的計畫希望教育部這邊給他們更多的一個支持那我這邊希望請教一下院長部長可以齁我請教一下院長\n我們這邊呢 因為我剛剛提到說從1月20號開始的時候我們有個中央跟地方的跨平台的一個溝通的狀態針對桃園灣大西湖計畫可是到現在十個月都沒有開會我在想可不可以就是院長承諾一下我們接下來每一個月能夠針對這個跨中央地方的一個溝通平台的時候能夠建立一個越都島的一個制度可不可以\n好 跟委員報告桃竹苗大矽谷跟我們現在推動的大南方新矽谷我會說這是兩個引擎帶動國家的高科技產業所以我們不會讓它沒有進度的那您說的那個平台應該是屬於國發會在主持的那國發會\n據知國發會應該是有開過會議1月10號開過1月20號開過之後就沒有了所以我這邊只是希望說院長承諾一下報告委員昨天有再開過昨天再開又開了那有開其實好事可是我希望院長這邊承諾一下我們有一個越都島的一個機制把這管考部分抓緊一點好不好好的應該的好感謝那我接下來我想請教一下因為那個\n台美的對等關稅的問題其實因為還沒有做最後的一個結論那這過程當中有很多的部分那我今天針對台積電的問題要就教於行政院長因為我們的行政院副院長也直接表示要幫川普來建立美版的竹科然後要來換取我們關稅的一個優惠這是一個\n然後我們的副總統他也特別提到我們已經承諾要在美投資不僅是台積電還包括了整個生態系那這個部分的時候表示副總統已經很清楚提到了台灣的半導體供應鏈會一起赴美那這樣子的一件事情的時候我想針對這個部分請教一下院長在這麼多的訊息當中\n那美國的官員提到了台積電的高階製程要五五分百分之五十要在美國生產這個部分我們行政院有沒有具體的態度兩個方面跟委員回答我想行政院從來沒有說過美版竹科這四個字\n竹科就是竹科竹科的經驗很難在其他地方國家來複製的但是我們現在跟美國成立一個服務園區那不是美版的竹科那是一種服務台商也服務在地的廠商以後做更多人才資金的合作第二個所有的五五分這個議題是一直是不存在的\n都不存在嗎 都不存在的OK 那院長我這邊跟你講幾個部分因為我們看了那個就是台積電的一個法說會的相關報告裡面還有我們目前整個一些幾個相關的指標那我這邊是參考了美國那個國際貿易委員會還有一些相關的國外的一些研究機構他們提出來的狀態2024年台灣的GDP大概是7690億美元我用美元來計算因為後面也都是用美元來算那台灣政府的稅收大概在3.73\n造台幣就是1127億美元左右那我們政府的稅收大概佔整個名目GDP大概14%然後按照美國國際貿易委員會他這邊提出來的一些指標出來說台灣的半導體產業佔台灣GDP的13%到20%因為不同的一個研究機構他們出來的一個數字有點落差我一樣\n就是透明的一個呈現那這樣表示說在台灣大概每七八塊賺七八塊的錢大概就有一塊是半導體產業出來的所以半導體產業它如果出現很大的變化的時候對台灣肯定是很大的影響這很簡單的概念應該沒有問題對不對 院長\n這個論述的方向是對的那是不是精準到這個部分這沒問題因為我這邊也有一個論據在這個論述方向基本上是對的謝謝院長那這邊的時候我們也看到科學園區竹科中科跟南科在去年2024年的時候\n在整個機體電路的一個產值已經佔全部科學園區的79.99%將近八成所以台灣非常的依賴半導體這個產業那我們看到了這個部分的時候我要特別提到的一個情況是說因為目前為止\n台積電確定要到美國去投資就超過1650億美元在日本投資有200億美元在德國投資有110億美元加起來將近2000億美元這是已經浮上檯面的院長你知道今年台積電的資本投資幾乎都在台灣是多少錢你知道嗎\n應該不知道我直接簡單跟你講他的法說當直接講說在400億到420億當我們有將近2000億的資本要投資到海外去的時候將近是五年2025年台積電在台灣的投資金額這對台灣的經濟產業還有高所得\n家庭等等會有多大的影響我不知道院長這邊有沒有要求我們相關的單位做出一個台灣高階半導體製程移到海外去之後會對台灣產生的影響的評估有沒有細節我請主委但是我認為這個是產業自己\n全球佈局的一個方式再來他投資的這兩千億委員所說的不是一年兩千億所以我也直接講所以2025年台積電法術會長他2025年投資的資本投資是420億而且大部分在台灣\n那接下來這2000億當中的時候如果以2025年的標準等於25年的投資金額它都不在台灣未來台積電在台灣的設廠投資還是會最多的理解所以台積電在台灣的投資不會停下來它不會減少\n那他在海外的投資他也會透過董事會的同意也會逐年來編列啦這個部分都沒有問題主委 院長這都沒有問題我只是要呈現出一個狀態就是台積電他基本上\n到海外去投資這麼大規模的時候很多民眾還會擔心台灣的半導體業被掏空再加上當時我們經濟部這邊在講說境外關內 境內關外這樣的一個投資要讓很多產業跟著半導體\n現在不只是產業鏈外移以副總統的說法是整個生態系的一個外移那以這樣的狀態的時候我們很擔心所以我們希望行政院能夠針對台積電高製程高階製程的部分能夠做更進一步的評估到底對台灣會產生怎麼樣子的一個影響\n好委員這個其實我們都一直在關注一直在評估一直在跟台積電在討論這個事情我們的先進製程研發絕對留在台灣台灣的投資不會減少不會中斷因為現在供不應求所以我們在海外是增加投資增加投資的原因是因為台積電的收入一直不斷的在成長所以他有本他有本錢可以往所以主委所以你的意思是說今年台積電在台灣投資420億美元\n明年接下来几年也都会持续这么高金额的投资资本投资在台湾吗在台湾的投资也会基于我们在园区开发的这个速度不见得是同样的但是一定会增加因为台积电它是一个企业这本席都会理解可是我要讲的状态是台积电420亿2025年的资本投入在台湾它基本上占了台湾GDP的5.2%\n非常非常的高如果接下來台積電沒有繼續在台灣投資的時候我覺得台灣的經濟成長產生非常令人擔心的問題所以本席只是希望我們行政院包括我們國科會經濟部相關的單位能夠好好的去因應這樣子的一個問題因為我剛剛舉的那幾個具體的數字都是很客觀的一個數字出來\n我們現在這兩千億就是五年台積電在台灣投資的一個金額兩點跟委員報告基於政府的全球產業的戰略跟我們所有產業自主性的全球佈局跟留台灣 以台灣為優先這個絕對沒有改變\n另外現在包括台積電在內其他國內的在世界有指標作用的科技大廠還一直在尋覓適合的地點能夠進行他們擴廠投資那這個部分政府會協助他們我們也希望地方政府能夠一起來協助讓產業能夠在台灣繼續增加他的投資\n這沒問題 因為我在想說我們都希望台灣好也希望台積電能夠繼續帶動台灣的經濟成長只是說因為美國給他們用就是組合權在給台灣壓力我們希望政府也一樣有一套組合權去回應美國給的壓力我們不只是解決關稅的問題也要解決整個產業的問題\n那麼當然包括了我們台灣最依賴的半導體相關的一個產業我們這個生態系好不容易建立起來不要因為短短為了現在要去滿足川普政府的一個壓力的時候我們就完全拱手浪出去我覺得這會造成台灣未來非常令人憂心的一個經濟跟國安的狀態報告委員 我們絕對一定會把台灣的這個產業持續壯大\n好谢谢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.615 --> 00:06.871\n謝謝主席我想請一下周榮泰院長再請周院長備詢\n\n00:16.584 --> 00:39.754\n政委員好院長好我延續剛剛呂玉玲委員她針對桃竹苗大矽谷的問題我也跟著問一下因為賴總統在2020年選舉的時候桃竹苗大矽谷是她很重要的一個產業政策的一環因為它涵蓋面非常的廣包括了空間的問題包括了教育的問題人才的問題產業的問題還包括了生活的問題等等\n\n00:41.655 --> 01:07.567\n確實也在2024年9月就是主任長上來之後也正式的宣布上路了確實也很熱鬧也吸引了大家很多的關注那麼在1月20號的時候今年1月20號的時候中央跟地方政府也達成了一個共識決定要建立桃竹苗大細股計畫的一個溝通平台中央跨部會跟地方政府的院長知道這個事情嘛對不對\n\n01:08.917 --> 01:26.924\n桃州苗大氣谷一直是我們六大區域產業生活區的領頭最先核定的部分所以說我們在1月20號的時候呢中央有決定跨部會跟地方成立一個溝通的一個平台可是10個月過去了到現在一次會都沒有開\n\n01:28.385 --> 01:48.708\n那我这边比较疑惑的是我们大戏谷计划只是一个选举竞选的一个口号还是真的要如实如实的去下去推可不可以请院长口头回答当然不是我们在大戏谷桃树苗大戏谷的计划之后我们其他的六大区域产业生活区域的计划都依序的都核定了这个是未来\n\n01:49.629 --> 02:15.910\n要襯托台灣基礎建設重要的一個生活指標那很好那我想說陶俊華大西湖計畫裡面他有四大策略包括深耕在地前瞻科技驅動產業創新然後強化深科技新創發展然後第三點在配合在地需求延攬與培育人才這跟教育部有關那麼優化園區建設構築科技廊帶跟整個國科有關我想請教的狀態是在第三點的部分\n\n02:16.650 --> 02:28.076\n就是延攬在地的需求跟培育人才我想請教清華大學是不是在我們這次桃秋喵大西湖計畫當中人才佈局裡面的主軸學府\n\n02:29.505 --> 02:48.827\n清華大學因為他就在當地啊應該是舊地人才的肯定是嘛因為清華大學在桃竹苗大細股計畫當中肯定是一個人才佈局很重要的一個學府嘛對不對是嘛OK好那我想說因為在整個配合在地需求延攬培育人才當中有好多好多的子計畫\n\n02:51.168 --> 03:04.954\n很多裡面的時候包括成立重點的研究學校或者是科專等等或者說有一些產業碩士等等很多的部分都是教育部這邊相關的\n\n03:06.255 --> 03:32.225\n那清華大學因為為了要配合我們桃九毛大細股計畫他也提出了很多的一個具體的一個計畫出來包括要擴大招生還有擴大師資的一個部分然後希望建置一個校園的一個改善跟整個強化資訊安全系統然後跟整個教職員的一個部分這些部分都是為了要去符合桃九毛大細股計畫包括我們經濟部在講AI產業當中未來\n\n03:34.306 --> 03:58.800\n五年的時候要增加20萬個就業人口一樣的一個狀態都在培育人才可是我發現就是清華大學很積極可是教育部的回應很冷淡院長知不知道這個事情這個應該要請教育部來比較了解謝謝委員關心這個我們產業重點產業的一些人才培育跟產業的發展\n\n04:01.575 --> 04:23.753\n確實清華大學它是一個非常有品牌也非常非常好的一個大學頂尖大學那也跟委員報告在清華大學它的一個校務即校務發展配合產業所培養人才基本上教育部都是樂觀其成持平而論我們是擔心清華他老師的教學負荷量太高他不願意申請\n\n04:24.554 --> 04:30.317\n太多的這些民眾的增加也就是說我要跟文報告這麼多我在一分鐘有跟文報告因為清華大學我剛提的計畫你需要教育部怎麼回嗎教育部回他們了直接公文回他們說依程序申請\n\n04:42.724 --> 05:03.045\n然後教育部說到時候試資源條件再來核定那我要特別講的狀態是如果清華大學很願意很積極那部長剛剛提到說你剛剛還在擔心清華大學不願意太積極去做怕增加太多的loading那現在清華大學他們願意去做希望部長給他們更多的支持好不好\n\n05:03.505 --> 05:18.197\n這是肯定的但是我要跟委員報告他最近有一個案子是因為新的年度的這個這個戲所的名額都已經核定了然後他才要申請就說我們有一定程序的申請在這個軌道上\n\n05:19.718 --> 05:35.409\n那你現在口頭上也答應要給清華大學更多的一個支持那這樣就夠了我們會讓清華大學在基本上在提出的計畫希望教育部這邊給他們更多的一個支持那我這邊希望請教一下院長部長可以齁我請教一下院長\n\n05:36.149 --> 05:59.770\n我們這邊呢因為我剛剛提到說從1月20號開始的時候我們有個中央跟地方的跨平台的一個溝通的狀態針對桃園灣大西湖計畫可是到現在十個月都沒有開會我在想可不可以就是院長承諾一下我們接下來每一個月能夠針對這個跨中央地方的一個溝通平台的時候能夠建立一個越都島的一個制度可不可以\n\n06:00.455 --> 06:15.266\n好跟委員報告桃竹苗大矽谷跟我們現在推動的大南方新矽谷我會說這是兩個引擎帶動國家的高科技產業所以我們不會讓它沒有進度的那您說的那個平台應該是屬於國發會在主持的那國發會\n\n06:20.607 --> 06:46.989\n據知國發會應該是有開過會議1月10號開過1月20號開過之後就沒有了所以我這邊只是希望說院長承諾一下報告委員昨天有再開過昨天再開又開了那有開其實好事可是我希望院長這邊承諾一下我們有一個越都島的一個機制把這管考部分抓緊一點好不好好的應該的好感謝那我接下來我想請教一下因為那個\n\n06:48.450 --> 07:09.928\n台美的對等關稅的問題其實因為還沒有做最後的一個結論那這過程當中有很多的部分那我今天針對台積電的問題要就教於行政院長因為我們的行政院副院長也直接表示要幫川普來建立美版的竹科然後要來換取我們關稅的一個優惠這是一個\n\n07:12.910 --> 07:35.760\n然後我們的副總統他也特別提到我們已經承諾要在美投資不僅是台積電還包括了整個生態系那這個部分的時候表示副總統已經很清楚提到了台灣的半導體供應鏈會一起赴美那這樣子的一件事情的時候我想針對這個部分請教一下院長在這麼多的訊息當中\n\n07:37.421 --> 07:53.935\n那美國的官員提到了台積電的高階製程要五五分百分之五十要在美國生產這個部分我們行政院有沒有具體的態度兩個方面跟委員回答我想行政院從來沒有說過美版竹科這四個字\n\n07:54.515 --> 08:13.884\n竹科就是竹科竹科的經驗很難在其他地方國家來複製的但是我們現在跟美國成立一個服務園區那不是美版的竹科那是一種服務台商也服務在地的廠商以後做更多人才資金的合作第二個所有的五五分這個議題是一直是不存在的\n\n08:14.144 --> 08:42.193\n都不存在嗎都不存在的OK那院長我這邊跟你講幾個部分因為我們看了那個就是台積電的一個法說會的相關報告裡面還有我們目前整個一些幾個相關的指標那我這邊是參考了美國那個國際貿易委員會還有一些相關的國外的一些研究機構他們提出來的狀態2024年台灣的GDP大概是7690億美元我用美元來計算因為後面也都是用美元來算那台灣政府的稅收大概在3.73\n\n08:43.934 --> 09:07.625\n造台幣就是1127億美元左右那我們政府的稅收大概佔整個名目GDP大概14%然後按照美國國際貿易委員會他這邊提出來的一些指標出來說台灣的半導體產業佔台灣GDP的13%到20%因為不同的一個研究機構他們出來的一個數字有點落差我一樣\n\n09:08.385 --> 09:24.816\n就是透明的一個呈現那這樣表示說在台灣大概每七八塊賺七八塊的錢大概就有一塊是半導體產業出來的所以半導體產業它如果出現很大的變化的時候對台灣肯定是很大的影響這很簡單的概念應該沒有問題對不對院長\n\n09:27.511 --> 09:42.945\n這個論述的方向是對的那是不是精準到這個部分這沒問題因為我這邊也有一個論據在這個論述方向基本上是對的謝謝院長那這邊的時候我們也看到科學園區竹科中科跟南科在去年2024年的時候\n\n09:45.526 --> 10:03.158\n在整個機體電路的一個產值已經佔全部科學園區的79.99%將近八成所以台灣非常的依賴半導體這個產業那我們看到了這個部分的時候我要特別提到的一個情況是說因為目前為止\n\n10:04.841 --> 10:27.600\n台積電確定要到美國去投資就超過1650億美元在日本投資有200億美元在德國投資有110億美元加起來將近2000億美元這是已經浮上檯面的院長你知道今年台積電的資本投資幾乎都在台灣是多少錢你知道嗎\n\n10:28.940 --> 10:45.330\n應該不知道我直接簡單跟你講他的法說當直接講說在400億到420億當我們有將近2000億的資本要投資到海外去的時候將近是五年2025年台積電在台灣的投資金額這對台灣的經濟產業還有高所得\n\n10:50.438 --> 11:09.423\n家庭等等會有多大的影響我不知道院長這邊有沒有要求我們相關的單位做出一個台灣高階半導體製程移到海外去之後會對台灣產生的影響的評估有沒有細節我請主委但是我認為這個是產業自己\n\n11:12.458 --> 11:22.246\n全球佈局的一個方式再來他投資的這兩千億委員所說的不是一年兩千億所以我也直接講所以2025年台積電法術會長他2025年投資的資本投資是420億而且大部分在台灣\n\n11:29.412 --> 11:44.243\n那接下來這2000億當中的時候如果以2025年的標準等於25年的投資金額它都不在台灣未來台積電在台灣的設廠投資還是會最多的理解所以台積電在台灣的投資不會停下來它不會減少\n\n11:47.225 --> 12:01.601\n那他在海外的投資他也會透過董事會的同意也會逐年來編列啦這個部分都沒有問題主委院長這都沒有問題我只是要呈現出一個狀態就是台積電他基本上\n\n12:02.202 --> 12:17.816\n到海外去投資這麼大規模的時候很多民眾還會擔心台灣的半導體業被掏空再加上當時我們經濟部這邊在講說境外關內境內關外這樣的一個投資要讓很多產業跟著半導體\n\n12:18.977 --> 12:37.131\n現在不只是產業鏈外移以副總統的說法是整個生態系的一個外移那以這樣的狀態的時候我們很擔心所以我們希望行政院能夠針對台積電高製程高階製程的部分能夠做更進一步的評估到底對台灣會產生怎麼樣子的一個影響\n\n12:37.731 --> 13:03.808\n好委員這個其實我們都一直在關注一直在評估一直在跟台積電在討論這個事情我們的先進製程研發絕對留在台灣台灣的投資不會減少不會中斷因為現在供不應求所以我們在海外是增加投資增加投資的原因是因為台積電的收入一直不斷的在成長所以他有本他有本錢可以往所以主委所以你的意思是說今年台積電在台灣投資420億美元\n\n13:05.709 --> 13:31.428\n明年接下来几年也都会持续这么高金额的投资资本投资在台湾吗在台湾的投资也会基于我们在园区开发的这个速度不见得是同样的但是一定会增加因为台积电它是一个企业这本席都会理解可是我要讲的状态是台积电420亿2025年的资本投入在台湾它基本上占了台湾GDP的5.2%\n\n13:34.110 --> 13:57.300\n非常非常的高如果接下來台積電沒有繼續在台灣投資的時候我覺得台灣的經濟成長產生非常令人擔心的問題所以本席只是希望我們行政院包括我們國科會經濟部相關的單位能夠好好的去因應這樣子的一個問題因為我剛剛舉的那幾個具體的數字都是很客觀的一個數字出來\n\n13:58.280 --> 14:12.052\n我們現在這兩千億就是五年台積電在台灣投資的一個金額兩點跟委員報告基於政府的全球產業的戰略跟我們所有產業自主性的全球佈局跟留台灣以台灣為優先這個絕對沒有改變\n\n14:13.954 --> 14:29.932\n另外現在包括台積電在內其他國內的在世界有指標作用的科技大廠還一直在尋覓適合的地點能夠進行他們擴廠投資那這個部分政府會協助他們我們也希望地方政府能夠一起來協助讓產業能夠在台灣繼續增加他的投資\n\n14:33.415 --> 14:49.735\n這沒問題因為我在想說我們都希望台灣好也希望台積電能夠繼續帶動台灣的經濟成長只是說因為美國給他們用就是組合權在給台灣壓力我們希望政府也一樣有一套組合權去回應美國給的壓力我們不只是解決關稅的問題也要解決整個產業的問題\n\n14:53.419 --> 15:16.723\n那麼當然包括了我們台灣最依賴的半導體相關的一個產業我們這個生態系好不容易建立起來不要因為短短為了現在要去滿足川普政府的一個壓力的時候我們就完全拱手浪出去我覺得這會造成台灣未來非常令人憂心的一個經濟跟國安的狀態報告委員我們絕對一定會把台灣的這個產業持續壯大\n\n15:29.472 --> 15:29.873\n好谢谢\n\n","segments":[{"start":3.615,"end":6.871,"text":"謝謝主席 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那院長我這邊跟你講幾個部分因為我們看了那個就是台積電的一個法說會的相關報告裡面還有我們目前整個一些幾個相關的指標那我這邊是參考了美國那個國際貿易委員會還有一些相關的國外的一些研究機構他們提出來的狀態2024年台灣的GDP大概是7690億美元我用美元來計算因為後面也都是用美元來算那台灣政府的稅收大概在3.73"},{"start":523.934,"end":547.625,"text":"造台幣就是1127億美元左右那我們政府的稅收大概佔整個名目GDP大概14%然後按照美國國際貿易委員會他這邊提出來的一些指標出來說台灣的半導體產業佔台灣GDP的13%到20%因為不同的一個研究機構他們出來的一個數字有點落差我一樣"},{"start":548.385,"end":564.816,"text":"就是透明的一個呈現那這樣表示說在台灣大概每七八塊賺七八塊的錢大概就有一塊是半導體產業出來的所以半導體產業它如果出現很大的變化的時候對台灣肯定是很大的影響這很簡單的概念應該沒有問題對不對 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院長這都沒有問題我只是要呈現出一個狀態就是台積電他基本上"},{"start":722.202,"end":737.816,"text":"到海外去投資這麼大規模的時候很多民眾還會擔心台灣的半導體業被掏空再加上當時我們經濟部這邊在講說境外關內 境內關外這樣的一個投資要讓很多產業跟著半導體"},{"start":738.977,"end":757.131,"text":"現在不只是產業鏈外移以副總統的說法是整個生態系的一個外移那以這樣的狀態的時候我們很擔心所以我們希望行政院能夠針對台積電高製程高階製程的部分能夠做更進一步的評估到底對台灣會產生怎麼樣子的一個影響"},{"start":757.731,"end":783.808,"text":"好委員這個其實我們都一直在關注一直在評估一直在跟台積電在討論這個事情我們的先進製程研發絕對留在台灣台灣的投資不會減少不會中斷因為現在供不應求所以我們在海外是增加投資增加投資的原因是因為台積電的收入一直不斷的在成長所以他有本他有本錢可以往所以主委所以你的意思是說今年台積電在台灣投資420億美元"},{"start":785.709,"end":811.428,"text":"明年接下来几年也都会持续这么高金额的投资资本投资在台湾吗在台湾的投资也会基于我们在园区开发的这个速度不见得是同样的但是一定会增加因为台积电它是一个企业这本席都会理解可是我要讲的状态是台积电420亿2025年的资本投入在台湾它基本上占了台湾GDP的5.2%"},{"start":814.11,"end":837.3,"text":"非常非常的高如果接下來台積電沒有繼續在台灣投資的時候我覺得台灣的經濟成長產生非常令人擔心的問題所以本席只是希望我們行政院包括我們國科會經濟部相關的單位能夠好好的去因應這樣子的一個問題因為我剛剛舉的那幾個具體的數字都是很客觀的一個數字出來"},{"start":838.28,"end":852.052,"text":"我們現在這兩千億就是五年台積電在台灣投資的一個金額兩點跟委員報告基於政府的全球產業的戰略跟我們所有產業自主性的全球佈局跟留台灣 以台灣為優先這個絕對沒有改變"},{"start":853.954,"end":869.932,"text":"另外現在包括台積電在內其他國內的在世界有指標作用的科技大廠還一直在尋覓適合的地點能夠進行他們擴廠投資那這個部分政府會協助他們我們也希望地方政府能夠一起來協助讓產業能夠在台灣繼續增加他的投資"},{"start":873.415,"end":889.735,"text":"這沒問題 因為我在想說我們都希望台灣好也希望台積電能夠繼續帶動台灣的經濟成長只是說因為美國給他們用就是組合權在給台灣壓力我們希望政府也一樣有一套組合權去回應美國給的壓力我們不只是解決關稅的問題也要解決整個產業的問題"},{"start":893.419,"end":916.723,"text":"那麼當然包括了我們台灣最依賴的半導體相關的一個產業我們這個生態系好不容易建立起來不要因為短短為了現在要去滿足川普政府的一個壓力的時候我們就完全拱手浪出去我覺得這會造成台灣未來非常令人憂心的一個經濟跟國安的狀態報告委員 我們絕對一定會把台灣的這個產業持續壯大"},{"start":929.472,"end":929.873,"text":"好谢谢"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":492,"blocks":[["鄭委員正鈐：（15時45分）謝謝主席，我想請卓榮泰院長。"],["主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：鄭委員好。"],["鄭委員正鈐：院長好。我延續剛剛呂玉玲委員針對桃竹苗大矽谷提問的問題，我也跟著問一下。賴總統在2024年選舉的時候提出，桃竹苗大矽谷是他的產業政策中很重要的一環，因為它的涵蓋面非常地廣，包括了空間的問題、教育的問題、人才的問題、產業的問題，還包括了生活的問題等等。在2024年9月卓院長上來之後也正式地宣布上路了，確實也很熱鬧，吸引了大家很多的關注。在今年1月20號的時候，中央跟地方政府也達成了一個共識，決定要建立桃竹苗大矽谷計畫的溝通平臺，中央跨部會跟地方政府的，院長知道這個事情，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：桃竹苗大矽谷一直是我們六大區域產業生活圈的領頭……"],["鄭委員正鈐：我說溝通平臺，重要的一個……"],["卓院長榮泰：最先核定的部分。"],["鄭委員正鈐：是，所以在1月20號的時候中央決定跨部會跟地方成立一個溝通平臺，可是10個月過去了，到現在一次會都沒有開，我這邊比較疑惑的是大矽谷計畫只是一個選舉競選的口號，還是真的要如實如質地推動？可不可以請院長口頭回復一下？"],["卓院長榮泰：當然不是，我們在桃竹苗大矽谷計畫之後，其他的六大區域產業生活圈計畫都依序核定了。"],["鄭委員正鈐：確定要推嘛，OK，那很好！"],["卓院長榮泰：這個是未來要襯托臺灣基礎建設重要的生活指標跟產業指標。"],["鄭委員正鈐：那很好！桃竹苗大矽谷計畫裡面有四大策略，包括「深耕在地前瞻技術驅動產業創新」、「強化深科技新創發展」，第三點是「配合在地需求延攬與培育人才」，這跟教育部有關，另外「優化園區建設構築科技廊帶」跟國科會有關。我想請教的是第三點，就是配合在地需求延攬與培育人才，我想請教，清華大學在這次桃竹苗大矽谷計畫當中，是不是在人才布局裡面的主軸學府？"],["卓院長榮泰：清華大學？"],["鄭委員正鈐：對，清華大學。"],["卓院長榮泰：因為它就在當地啊！"],["鄭委員正鈐：應該是嘛，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：應該是就在地人才的……"],["鄭委員正鈐：肯定是嘛，清華大學在桃竹苗大矽谷計畫當中，肯定是人才布局很重要的一個學府，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：是的。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，因為在整個配合在地需求延攬與培育人才當中，有好多好多的子計畫，包括成立重點研究的學校，或者是科專，或者一些產業、碩士等等，很多部分都是跟教育部相關的。清華大學為了要配合桃竹苗大矽谷計畫，也提出了很多具體的計畫出來，包括要擴大招生與擴大師資、建置友善校園環境及強化資訊安全系統，以及整個教職員的部分，這些都是為了要去符合桃竹苗大矽谷計畫。包括跟經濟部在講的，AI產業當中，未來5年要增加20萬個就業人口一樣，都是在培育人才。可是我發現清華大學很積極，教育部的回應卻很冷淡，院長知不知道這個事情？"],["卓院長榮泰：這個應該要請教育部回答比較了解。"],["鄭委員正鈐：請鄭部長。"],["鄭部長英耀：謝謝委員關心我們重點產業的人才培育跟發展，確實清華大學是一個非常有品牌，也非常好的頂尖大學。也跟委員報告，清華大學的校務發展及配合產業所培養的人才，基本上教育部都是樂觀其成，持平而論，我們是擔心清華的老師教學負荷量太高，他不願意申請增加太多的名額……"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，部長，你講這個部分，可能是在院長前面……"],["鄭部長英耀：請容我再1分鐘跟委員報告。"],["鄭委員正鈐：因為清華大學具體提出了申請計畫，你知道教育部怎麼回嗎？教育部回他們了，直接公文回他們說依程序申請，到時候視資源條件再來核定。我要特別講的狀態是，如果清華大學很願意、很積極，部長剛剛還在擔心清華大學不願意太積極去做，怕增加太多的loading，但現在清華大學願意去做，希望部長給他們更多的支持，好不好？"],["鄭部長英耀：這是肯定的，但是我要跟委員報告，他最近有一個案子是因為新年度系所的名額都已經核定了，然後他才要申請，但是我們有一定的申請程序……"],["鄭委員正鈐：這個沒問題，部長，這個細節沒有問題……"],["鄭部長英耀：在這一個軌道上，我們一定會支持他。"],["鄭委員正鈐：因為你現在口頭上也答應要給清華大學更多的支持，這樣就夠了，我們會讓清華大學基本上提出的計畫……"],["鄭部長英耀：他按照程序來申請，我都會支持。"],["鄭委員正鈐：希望教育部給他們更多的支持……"],["鄭部長英耀：也謝謝委員關心。"],["鄭委員正鈐：我請教院長，因為我剛剛提到從1月20號開始，針對桃竹苗大矽谷計畫，我們中央跟地方有跨平臺溝通的狀態，可是到現在10個月過了都沒有開會，可不可以請院長承諾一下，我們接下來每一個月針對跨中央、地方的溝通平臺，能夠建立月督導的制度，可不可以？"],["卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，桃竹苗大矽谷跟我們現在推動的大南方新矽谷，我一直說這是兩個引擎來帶動國家的高科技產業，所以我們不會讓它沒有進度的。您說的那個平臺應該是屬於國發會在主持的……"],["鄭委員正鈐：理解。"],["卓院長榮泰：據我知道國發會應該是有開過會議……"],["鄭委員正鈐：1月20號開過之後就沒有了。"],["吳主任委員誠文：報告委員，有……"],["鄭委員正鈐：我這邊只是希望院長承諾一下……"],["吳主任委員誠文：昨天有再開。"],["鄭委員正鈐：昨天又開了？"],["吳主任委員誠文：是。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，有開是好事，可是我需要院長承諾一下，有月督導的機制，把管考部分抓緊一點，院長，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：好的，應該的。"],["鄭委員正鈐：好，感謝。接下來我想請教臺美對等關稅的問題，因為還沒有做最後的結論，這過程中有很多的部分，我今天針對台積電的問題要就教於行政院長，因為我們的行政院副院長也直接表示，要幫川普建立美版的竹科來換取我們關稅的優惠，這是一個。然後我們的副總統也特別提到，我們已經承諾要在美投資，不僅是台積電，還包括了整個生態系，副總統已經很清楚提到臺灣的半導體供應鏈會一起赴美。我想針對這個部分請教院長，在這麼多的訊息當中，美國的官員提到台積電的高階製程要「五五分」、50%要在美國生產，我們行政院有沒有具體的態度？"],["卓院長榮泰：兩個方面跟委員說明，我想行政院從來沒有說過「美版竹科」這四個字，竹科就是竹科，竹科的經驗很難在其他地方、國家複製的，但是我們跟美國成立一個服務園區，那不是美版的竹科，那是一種服務臺商也服務在地的廠商，以後做更多人才、資金的合作，這是第一個。"],["鄭委員正鈐：是，理解。"],["卓院長榮泰：第二個，「五五分」這個議題一直是不存在的。"],["鄭委員正鈐：都不存在嘛？"],["卓院長榮泰：都不存在。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，院長，我跟你講幾個部分，因為我們看了台積電法說會相關報告，還有目前幾個相關的指標，我這邊是參考了美國國際貿易委員會，還有一些國外相關研究機構提出來的狀態。2024年臺灣的GDP大概是7,690億美元，我用美元來計算因為後面也都是用美元來算；臺灣政府的稅收大概在3.73兆臺幣，就是1,127億美元左右，而我們政府的稅收大概占整個名目GDP大概14%。按照美國國際貿易委員會提出的指標，臺灣的半導體產業占臺灣GDP的13%到20%，因為不同的研究機構出來的數字有點落差，我一樣透明的呈現，這樣表示在臺灣賺7、8塊的錢，大概就有1塊是半導體產業出來的。所以半導體產業如果出現很大變化的時候，對臺灣肯定是有很大的影響，這很簡單的概念應該沒有問題，對不對？院長。"],["卓院長榮泰：這個論述的方向是對的，是不是精準到這個部分……"],["鄭委員正鈐：這沒問題，所以我也有一個range在，這個論述方向基本上是對的，謝謝院長。我們也看到科學園區包括竹科、中科跟南科在去（2024）年的時候，整個積體電路產值已經占全部科學園區的79.99%，將近八成，所以臺灣非常地依賴半導體產業。我們看到這個部分，我要特別提到一個情況，目前為止台積電確定要到美國投資就超過1,650億美元，在日本投資有200億美元，在德國投資有110億美元，加起來將近2,000億美元，這是已經浮上檯面的。院長，你知道今年台積電的資本投資幾乎都在臺灣，是多少錢，你知道嗎？應該不知道，我直接簡單跟你講。"],["卓院長榮泰：好，謝謝委員。"],["鄭委員正鈐：它的法說會當中直接說在400億到420億。當我們有將近2,000億的資本要投資到海外的時候，將近是五年，2025年台積電在臺灣的投資金額，這對臺灣的經濟、產業還有高所得家庭等等會有多大的影響。我不知道院長有沒有要求相關的單位，做出臺灣高階半導體製程移到海外之後會對臺灣產生的影響評估，有沒有？"],["卓院長榮泰：細節我請主委說明，但是我認為這是產業自己全球布局的一個方式。再來，它投資的這2,000億，委員所說的不是一年2,000億投資海外，是很多年累積下來的……"],["鄭委員正鈐：理解，所以我也直接講2025年，台積電法說會講在2025年的資本投資是420億，而且大部分在臺灣，接下來這2,000億當中，如果以2025年為標準，有五年的投資金額它都不在臺灣喔！"],["卓院長榮泰：未來台積電在臺灣設廠投資還是會最多的……"],["鄭委員正鈐：理解。"],["吳主任委員誠文：台積電在臺灣的投資不會停下來。"],["鄭委員正鈐：理解！"],["吳主任委員誠文：它不會減少，而且在海外投資也會透過董事會的同意逐年編列，這是在擴充……"],["鄭委員正鈐：這個部分都沒有問題，主委、院長，這都沒有問題，我只是要呈現出一個狀態，就是基本上台積電到海外投資這麼大規模的時候，很多民眾會擔心臺灣的半導體產業被掏空，再加上當時經濟部在講「境外關內、境內關外」這樣的投資，要讓很多產業跟著半導體……現在不只是產業鏈外移，以副總統的說法是整個生態系的外移，以這樣的狀態是我們很擔心的，所以我們希望行政院能夠針對台積電高階製程的部分做更進一步的評估，到底對臺灣會產生怎麼樣的影響。"],["吳主任委員誠文：委員，這個其實我們都一直在關注，一直在評估，一直在跟台積電討論這個事情，我們的先進製程研發絕對留在臺灣，臺灣的投資不會減少、不會中斷，因為現在供不應求，所以我們在海外是增加投資，增加投資的原因是因為台積電的收入一直不斷地在成長，所以它有本錢可以往海外再擴充……"],["鄭委員正鈐：主委，所以你的意思是，今年台積電在臺灣投資420億美元，接下來的幾年也都會持續以高金額的資本投資在臺灣嗎？"],["吳主任委員誠文：在臺灣的投資也會基於我們在園區開發的速度，不見得是同樣的金額，但是一定會增加……"],["鄭委員正鈐：理解，主委，我覺得這沒有問題，因為台積電是一個企業，這本席都理解。"],["吳主任委員誠文：所以委員不能講……"],["鄭委員正鈐：可是我要講的狀態是，台積電420億2025年的資本投入在臺灣，它基本上占了臺灣GDP的5.2%，非常非常的高，如果接下來台積電沒有繼續在臺灣投資的時候，臺灣的經濟成長就會產生令人非常擔心的問題，所以本席只是希望行政院，包括國科會、經濟部相關單位能夠好好地因應這樣的問題，因為我剛剛舉那幾個具體的數字，都是很客觀的數字。"],["吳主任委員誠文：但是……"],["鄭委員正鈐：我們現在這2000億，就是五年台積電在臺灣投資的金額。"],["卓院長榮泰：兩點跟委員報告，基於政府全球產業戰略跟我們所有產業自主性的全球布局，根留臺灣、以臺灣為優先，這個絕對沒有改變。另外，現在包括台積電在內，其他國內的、在世界有指標作用的各個科技大廠還一直在尋覓適合的地點，能夠進行他們擴廠投資。這個部分政府會協助他們，我們也希望地方政府能夠一起來協助，讓產業能夠在臺灣繼續增加他的投資。"],["鄭委員正鈐：這沒問題，因為我們都希望臺灣好，也希望台積電能夠繼續帶動臺灣的經濟成長，只是說因為美國用「組合拳」在給臺灣壓力，我們希望政府也要有一套「組合拳」去回應美國給的壓力。我們不只是解決關稅問題，也要解決整個產業問題，當然包括我們臺灣最倚賴的半導體相關產業，我們這個生態系好不容易建立起來，不要因為短短為了現在要去滿足川普政府的壓力，我們就完全拱手讓出去，我覺得這會造成臺灣未來非常令人憂心的經濟跟國安狀態。"],["吳主任委員誠文：報告委員，我們絕對一定會把臺灣的產業持續壯大，並且我們擴充到海外，絕對不是掏空，絕對不是！而是跟美國同步發展。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝鄭正鈐委員質詢，謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長備詢，謝謝。","接下來請王鴻薇委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":180,"meet_id":"院會-11-4-8","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","吳宗憲","賴瑞隆","顏寬恒","林楚茵","賴士葆","黃捷","何欣純","陳亭妃","丁學忠","劉建國","莊瑞雄","李柏毅","林德福","葛如鈞","賴惠員","黃珊珊","林楚茵","呂玉玲","麥玉珍","鄭正鈐","王鴻薇","郭昱晴","吳思瑤","陳俊宇","羅美玲","范雲","李坤城","張雅琳"],"page_start":85,"meetingDate":["2025-11-11"],"gazette_id":"1149101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1149101_00004","1149101_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期第8次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1149101_00005"}}}