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\"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:08,705 --> 00:00:15,469\n謝謝主席有請卓院長還有教育部政部長麻煩再請卓院長教育部長備詢諾元豪\n\n2\n00:00:27,029 --> 00:00:54,682\n院長好首先本期要就新住民大學入學方案成效不佳的問題要跟院長還有部長做一個探討為了鼓勵新住民持續進入高等教育所以我們在108年11月的時候修訂了大學法第25條第一項然後在109年12月的時候訂定了新住民就讀大學辦法以不佔原核定名額外加2%的方式\n\n3\n00:00:55,222 --> 00:01:24,768\n鼓励这个规划后的新住民报考大学那立法的这个目的呢是非常的呃友善也是希望呃友善新住民可以顺利衔接这个台湾的高等教育可是这制度上路之后呢报考的新住民人数真的是非常非常的低那本席曾经在111年的时候呢跟教育部呢探讨过报考人数多的这个报考人数低的这个问题啊可是当时呢教育部就\n\n4\n00:01:25,188 --> 00:01:42,442\n就有回應說因為制度剛上路那也許是因為宣導不足所以給教育部一點時間那當時本席就曾經跟建議教育部務必要跟移民署來合作讓政策宣導可以下放到基層\n\n5\n00:01:43,203 --> 00:02:05,230\n可是我们现在来看三年过去了到底成效如何那有关于这个新住民就读的大学的这个办法这个实施之后我们可以先来看111年111年全国有71所大专院校的不管是在副学士班学士班或者是说硕士班\n\n6\n00:02:06,010 --> 00:02:19,735\n博士班其实都有开出了这个名额那时候的招生名额总计全国是4135位可是我们看报考的人数呢有多少呢其实总计只有33位\n\n7\n00:02:21,696 --> 00:02:43,772\n我们开出了4000多的名额可是呢报考的人数只有33位那录取的人是只有11位而且报名有些地方报名的人数甚至一直以来都是挂零的那时候呢本席曾经在111年的时候跟教育部来做探讨的时候教育部说给我们一点时间\n\n8\n00:02:44,372 --> 00:03:10,692\n相信制度刚上路所以呢宣导不足所以造成这个报名的这个人数呢是如此的这低落好111年整体的报名人数是不到0.8%连一趴都不到那再来讲如果按照教育部当初的讲法来讲的话那我们已经经过三年的该宣导也都宣导了那有没有成效呢我们来看有没有成效呢111\n\n9\n00:03:12,894 --> 00:03:28,093\n112年113年114年我們發現報考人數越來越慘耶完全沒有一點進步耶完全沒有一點改善那我不曉得這個政策推行這麼多年以來教育部有沒有做通盤的檢討\n\n10\n00:03:29,335 --> 00:03:47,970\n当初的这个美意真的是非常的好我们都非常的感谢让新住民可以顺利衔接台湾的这个高等教育可是没有想到现在出来的这个数据是如此的这个凄惨而且呢三年下来我们发现现在报名的人数我们看114年根本不到0.3%\n\n11\n00:03:50,892 --> 00:04:06,063\n所以我想請教部長我們到底有沒有做過通盤的檢討還是說本席還沒有詢問這個之前這好像也不是教育部的重點所在我不曉得為什麼當初的免疫會淪為這個幽靈政策請問失靈的原因有檢討過嗎請問部長\n\n12\n00:04:08,682 --> 00:04:24,275\n謝謝委員關心新住民特別他們都已經規劃我們我國國籍那他的一個高等教育的受教型其實從我們過去的一個研究發現大概過去的一個data看到新住民世上的小朋友他幾多的課業並不亞於我們\n\n13\n00:04:26,637 --> 00:04:48,405\n後來小朋友一路讀小學、國中、高中到大學他們的成績其實不遑多讓所以我們現在當然有開了一個申請入學但是委員所關心的我們怎麼去對新住民特別規劃的這些即將進入高等教育接受\n\n14\n00:04:49,245 --> 00:05:03,732\n這一個人才的培育也為產業能夠厚植實力我想這個部分我會後我再來更進一步的來了解整個我們在跟委員是不是在跟委員提出一個說明\n\n15\n00:05:04,894 --> 00:05:24,552\n來部長剛剛您給我的回答我發現您有一點搞混了我剛剛根本就沒有提到新住民二代它是針對新住民新住民二代當然就是在台灣出生長大在台灣受教育當然比照國人我現在所講的這個政策是針對新住民本身\n\n16\n00:05:26,001 --> 00:05:45,072\nOK,我們再來看一下,這個真的是部長要跟你們部內相關的單位好好地來做探討,因為連部長都搞不清楚新住民就讀大學辦法的對象到底是誰。他的招生對象就是新住民,跟新住民二代一點關係都沒有。\n\n17\n00:05:47,353 --> 00:06:16,457\n因为新住民有很多都是在国外受教育那可能因为他的母国的教育体系可能没有办法衔接到台湾所以台湾那时候想说要友善新住民让他们能够顺利进入到高等教育所以呢还会在原有名额和原核定的名额外加2%的方式让他们能够考取这些四千多个这个名额的这个科系问题是我们是要检讨就是说为什么\n\n18\n00:06:17,077 --> 00:06:46,717\n执行了我们推行了这么多年一点成效都没有新住民为什么我们这个美意会变成一个幽灵政策新住民为什么没有来报考我们有没有去检讨过是因为宣导不足吗说实在本席过去曾经在全国各地开过这个座谈会曾经就有这个问题你们晓不晓得现在我们已经修了这个大学法新住民可以外加2%的方式呢去报考大学其实很多人是不知道的\n\n19\n00:06:47,037 --> 00:07:13,680\n所以表示說宣導是不足的是委員我是請教委員委員在新住民的團體當中是相當了解他們的需求的那您提出的這個問題開出的名額那麼多報考的人數卻這麼少那是不是我們在公告上面有所不足或是在所以要檢討啦所以我現在就是來問說到底是怎麼回事嗎或是我們透過新住民的團體的工作還要做加強讓他能夠告訴更多的新住民\n\n20\n00:07:14,020 --> 00:07:41,645\n有这样的一个外加百分之二的名额可以供他们来这里读书读大学是不是这个过程很够所以我就在想说这是政府的美意为什么在居然没有落实好像说我订立这个了我就是友善新住民实际上很多新住民根本就不知道说原来我可以用这种方式进入到高等教育这我想想说这个部分就是教育部要去检讨的嘛你总不能空有政策那实际上一点效果都没有\n\n21\n00:07:42,065 --> 00:08:04,490\n所以要去檢討到底發生了什麼事情我想跟委員報告這真的委員今天的數據確實我想我們教育部內部來檢討那整個會後我也會來親自來跟委員來請教看我們到底在教育部在整個政策如何來落實因為良華免疫結果人數沒有出來部長你看到這個數據\n\n22\n00:08:05,350 --> 00:08:22,990\n很多都是從頭到尾都是掛零的難道您看到這個不會覺得很汗顏嗎為什麼會一個政策推行到這樣子居然是幾乎我們可以說是打零分而且也不是剛開始剛開始我還想說好我讓你們去我一定會深切內部來做檢討也跟委員多情義\n\n23\n00:08:23,550 --> 00:08:45,272\n是的这个部分其实三年前推行的时候本期就已经在盯着这个部分三年后再检讨还是一点成效都没有所以教育部一定要检讨那再来还有一点我们看到这名称新住民就读大学办法难道所有的新住民都有纳入这个招生的对象吗部长我想你这部分你可能不是很了解\n\n24\n00:08:48,801 --> 00:09:11,261\n我們先來看,這個新住民就讀大學辦法,其實並不是所有的新住民都適用,為什麼呢?按照新住民就讀大學辦法第二條,它裡面有提到,它指的是依國籍法第四條第一項第一款到第三款的規定,\n\n25\n00:09:12,442 --> 00:09:34,330\n可能部長要回去看一下補給法這個法條裡面的規定是什麼然後申請規劃的新住民一到這個法規申請規劃的新住民才能夠申請這個方案才符合這個招生的資格其實簡單的講他這個方案的招生對象只有婚姻移民只有婚姻移民\n\n26\n00:09:35,646 --> 00:09:52,464\n我们也知道说现在新住民的第一我想院长应该很清楚新住民的第一已经扩大解释了已经扩大解释我们入籍的入籍台湾的这个新住民其实有非常多元的管道不是只有婚姻移民\n\n27\n00:09:54,012 --> 00:10:12,957\n你知道嗎一般的移工未來很可能也成為新住民我們現在確實希望有更多的外籍專業人力能夠留在台灣所以國化會確實也有許多的相對配合的措施\n\n28\n00:10:15,518 --> 00:10:43,635\n來我們來看一下像一般的這個移工一般的這個移工他如果利用流採久用方案我想這個部長應該很清楚在台工作滿6年以上並符合一定資金之或技術條件者其實6年之後他可以升級為中階技術人力那他在中階技術人力這當中的居留期間全部可以列入合法居留期間之計算那他\n\n29\n00:10:45,635 --> 00:11:04,540\n這個他拜了五年之後你看合法居留五年之後其實他是可以申請規劃申請永居的耶所以那申請規劃之後他取得永居然後申請規劃之後他其實就是台灣的新住民好那我們現在回到來看這個新住民的這個入學辦法\n\n30\n00:11:04,980 --> 00:11:21,397\n他只针对婚姻移民当以后这些移工他规划之后我觉得我想要申请台湾的高等教育他是排除在这个方案之外的因为你们这个方案里面只针对婚姻移民\n\n31\n00:11:21,977 --> 00:11:45,959\n我們剛才講說實在有很多政策必須是要隨時都要再做檢視隨時要做滾動式的修正我想我們會來前面來檢視哪些的法規對我們各式各樣的一些新住民他在接受高等教育他是不利的等於說法令怎麼樣去以實際性來鬆綁所以你法條裡面也要改啊\n\n32\n00:11:46,579 --> 00:12:14,891\n那是因為你裡面的辦法裡面就規定只有婚姻移民才可以嘛所以這個要修嘛那再來我們還有規定這個招訓的對象是規劃之後的新住民那取得永居可不可以是不是說經過了這麼多年我們應該要做通盤的檢討這個政策其實失靈了我們納入的這個對象是不是要來做擴大因為現在所謂的新住民入籍已經過是多元的管道\n\n33\n00:12:15,211 --> 00:12:38,687\n不是只有單一的婚姻移民所以我現在想說這部分應該要拿出來做檢討那我希望說經過今天的這個總質詢之後我希望教育部來全面的來檢討所謂的新住民就讀大學辦法到底出了什麼問題我們是不是要把對象呢來擴大那不是只有規劃的婚姻移民\n\n34\n00:12:39,728 --> 00:13:08,739\n像永居這部分可不可以納入新住民的定義其實已經擴大解釋絕對不是只有婚姻移民我想這部分教育部應該要來做檢視應該要來做檢討這一題我講到這裡另外我要提到的就是有關於我國的多元海外攬財計劃為了推動多元海外攬財計劃所以我們有透過三家市產學合作專班\n\n35\n00:13:09,079 --> 00:13:28,862\n还有新南向专班来招来海外的这个桥外生到台湾来就学那当然我们最希望的就是说他们学成之后能够留台就业充实台湾的这个人才的资源可是我们都知道不管是3加4或者是新南向专班其实都有许多需要检讨的地方\n\n36\n00:13:29,442 --> 00:13:49,172\n本席因為時間的關係所以我想針對華語文加強跟實習的內容跟院長跟部長做一個探討尤其是這個我們首先來講這個語言的部分我們都知道說這些橋外生長期都是在國外讀書也許華語文的程度真的是\n\n37\n00:13:50,413 --> 00:14:06,690\n不到一定的这个就是水准所以可是我们现在是说你只要有鉴定为华语文鉴定为A1或A2就可以来谈就读可是A1跟A2的程度其实只具备日常的基本沟通能力你要到学校去\n\n38\n00:14:07,770 --> 00:14:28,659\n去聽一些專業的名詞或是專業的用語真的這些孩子是沒有辦法消化的所以我們希望就是說教育部能夠在這些孩子來的第一年一定要要求大專院校必須在課程上面加強華語文的課程我不曉得部長這個部分有沒有去\n\n39\n00:14:30,220 --> 00:14:45,299\n我這個去年520進來後也確實看到我們產息專班存在有許多這些橋外生進來他華語文他是能力不夠的所以在上課包括工廠的一個實習他都沒有辦法去做有效的學習\n\n40\n00:14:46,380 --> 00:15:07,286\n所以我們現在事實上從這個進來要怎麼樣增強華語文各校在技高的一部分普高的一個部分到他要升到這個計算校園必須要至少要B1的這樣的一個程度從在台灣我們這個部分我們一定會來加強對這部分要加強不然孩子在課堂上根本聽不懂老師在講什麼我進來以後再\n\n41\n00:15:09,587 --> 00:15:30,747\n這個等於說這下半年裡邊我們開始建立了一個跟僑委會建立一個機制也就是說僑委會在積極為產業這個尋求可能的產業未來的潛在人才來到台灣就讀的同時我們希望僑委會所找的這些年輕的學子應該跟教育部我們建立了一個\n\n42\n00:15:33,801 --> 00:15:57,477\n兩個跨國會合作平台我們逐一的解釋這些學生到你去學校他是做corrider能夠真正培養文采能夠為產業所用而不是只是來這邊然後去做編校員的工作這個部分我們有許多的包含定期的這樣一個抽選我想這個部分在未來我們\n\n43\n00:16:03,326 --> 00:16:09,135\n因為他接受了一個好教育泰國人留在台灣以後才越來越多\n\n44\n00:16:39,858 --> 00:16:40,819\n好谢谢罗美\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8705\t15469\t謝謝主席有請卓院長還有教育部政部長麻煩再請卓院長教育部長備詢諾元豪\n27029\t54682\t院長好 首先本期要就新住民大學入學方案成效不佳的問題要跟院長還有部長做一個探討為了鼓勵新住民持續進入高等教育所以我們在108年11月的時候修訂了大學法第25條第一項然後在109年12月的時候訂定了新住民就讀大學辦法以不佔原核定名額外加2%的方式\n55222\t84768\t鼓励这个规划后的新住民报考大学那立法的这个目的呢是非常的呃友善也是希望呃友善新住民可以顺利衔接这个台湾的高等教育可是这制度上路之后呢报考的新住民人数真的是非常非常的低那本席曾经在111年的时候呢跟教育部呢探讨过报考人数多的这个报考人数低的这个问题啊可是当时呢教育部就\n85188\t102442\t就有回應說因為制度剛上路那也許是因為宣導不足所以給教育部一點時間那當時本席就曾經跟建議教育部務必要跟移民署來合作讓政策宣導可以下放到基層\n103203\t125230\t可是我们现在来看三年过去了到底成效如何那有关于这个新住民就读的大学的这个办法这个实施之后我们可以先来看111年111年全国有71所大专院校的不管是在副学士班学士班或者是说硕士班\n126010\t139735\t博士班其实都有开出了这个名额那时候的招生名额总计全国是4135位可是我们看报考的人数呢有多少呢其实总计只有33位\n141696\t163772\t我们开出了4000多的名额可是呢报考的人数只有33位那录取的人是只有11位而且报名有些地方报名的人数甚至一直以来都是挂零的那时候呢本席曾经在111年的时候跟教育部来做探讨的时候教育部说给我们一点时间\n164372\t190692\t相信制度刚上路所以呢宣导不足所以造成这个报名的这个人数呢是如此的这低落好111年整体的报名人数是不到0.8%连一趴都不到那再来讲如果按照教育部当初的讲法来讲的话那我们已经经过三年的该宣导也都宣导了那有没有成效呢我们来看有没有成效呢111\n192894\t208093\t112年 113年 114年我們發現報考人數越來越慘耶完全沒有一點進步耶完全沒有一點改善那我不曉得這個政策推行這麼多年以來教育部有沒有做通盤的檢討\n209335\t227970\t当初的这个美意真的是非常的好我们都非常的感谢让新住民可以顺利衔接台湾的这个高等教育可是没有想到现在出来的这个数据是如此的这个凄惨而且呢三年下来我们发现现在报名的人数我们看114年根本不到0.3%\n230892\t246063\t所以我想請教部長我們到底有沒有做過通盤的檢討還是說本席還沒有詢問這個之前這好像也不是教育部的重點所在我不曉得為什麼當初的免疫會淪為這個幽靈政策請問失靈的原因有檢討過嗎請問部長\n248682\t264275\t謝謝委員關心新住民特別他們都已經規劃我們我國國籍那他的一個高等教育的受教型其實從我們過去的一個研究發現大概過去的一個data看到新住民世上的小朋友他幾多的課業並不亞於我們\n266637\t288405\t後來小朋友一路讀小學、國中、高中到大學他們的成績其實不遑多讓所以我們現在當然有開了一個申請入學但是委員所關心的我們怎麼去對新住民特別規劃的這些即將進入高等教育接受\n289245\t303732\t這一個人才的培育也為產業能夠厚植實力我想這個部分我會後我再來更進一步的來了解整個我們在跟委員是不是在跟委員提出一個說明\n304894\t324552\t來 部長剛剛您給我的回答我發現您有一點搞混了我剛剛根本就沒有提到新住民二代它是針對新住民新住民二代當然就是在台灣出生長大在台灣受教育當然比照國人我現在所講的這個政策是針對新住民本身\n326001\t345072\tOK,我們再來看一下,這個真的是部長要跟你們部內相關的單位好好地來做探討,因為連部長都搞不清楚新住民就讀大學辦法的對象到底是誰。他的招生對象就是新住民,跟新住民二代一點關係都沒有。\n347353\t376457\t因为新住民有很多都是在国外受教育那可能因为他的母国的教育体系可能没有办法衔接到台湾所以台湾那时候想说要友善新住民让他们能够顺利进入到高等教育所以呢还会在原有名额和原核定的名额外加2%的方式让他们能够考取这些四千多个这个名额的这个科系问题是我们是要检讨就是说为什么\n377077\t406717\t执行了我们推行了这么多年一点成效都没有新住民为什么我们这个美意会变成一个幽灵政策新住民为什么没有来报考我们有没有去检讨过是因为宣导不足吗说实在本席过去曾经在全国各地开过这个座谈会曾经就有这个问题你们晓不晓得现在我们已经修了这个大学法新住民可以外加2%的方式呢去报考大学其实很多人是不知道的\n407037\t433680\t所以表示說宣導是不足的是委員我是請教委員委員在新住民的團體當中是相當了解他們的需求的那您提出的這個問題開出的名額那麼多報考的人數卻這麼少那是不是我們在公告上面有所不足或是在所以要檢討啦所以我現在就是來問說到底是怎麼回事嗎或是我們透過新住民的團體的工作還要做加強讓他能夠告訴更多的新住民\n434020\t461645\t有这样的一个外加百分之二的名额可以供他们来这里读书读大学是不是这个过程很够所以我就在想说这是政府的美意为什么在居然没有落实好像说我订立这个了我就是友善新住民实际上很多新住民根本就不知道说原来我可以用这种方式进入到高等教育这我想想说这个部分就是教育部要去检讨的嘛你总不能空有政策那实际上一点效果都没有\n462065\t484490\t所以要去檢討到底發生了什麼事情我想跟委員報告這真的委員今天的數據確實我想我們教育部內部來檢討那整個會後我也會來親自來跟委員來請教看我們到底在教育部在整個政策如何來落實因為良華免疫結果人數沒有出來部長你看到這個數據\n485350\t502990\t很多都是從頭到尾都是掛零的難道您看到這個不會覺得很汗顏嗎為什麼會一個政策推行到這樣子居然是幾乎我們可以說是打零分而且也不是剛開始剛開始我還想說好我讓你們去我一定會深切內部來做檢討也跟委員多情義\n503550\t525272\t是的这个部分其实三年前推行的时候本期就已经在盯着这个部分三年后再检讨还是一点成效都没有所以教育部一定要检讨那再来还有一点我们看到这名称新住民就读大学办法难道所有的新住民都有纳入这个招生的对象吗部长我想你这部分你可能不是很了解\n528801\t551261\t我們先來看,這個新住民就讀大學辦法,其實並不是所有的新住民都適用,為什麼呢?按照新住民就讀大學辦法第二條,它裡面有提到,它指的是依國籍法第四條第一項第一款到第三款的規定,\n552442\t574330\t可能部長要回去看一下補給法這個法條裡面的規定是什麼然後申請規劃的新住民一到這個法規申請規劃的新住民才能夠申請這個方案才符合這個招生的資格其實簡單的講他這個方案的招生對象只有婚姻移民只有婚姻移民\n575646\t592464\t我们也知道说现在新住民的第一我想院长应该很清楚新住民的第一已经扩大解释了已经扩大解释我们入籍的入籍台湾的这个新住民其实有非常多元的管道不是只有婚姻移民\n594012\t612957\t你知道嗎 一般的移工未來很可能也成為新住民我們現在確實希望有更多的外籍專業人力能夠留在台灣所以國化會確實也有許多的相對配合的措施\n615518\t643635\t來我們來看一下像一般的這個移工一般的這個移工他如果利用流採久用方案我想這個部長應該很清楚在台工作滿6年以上並符合一定資金之或技術條件者其實6年之後他可以升級為中階技術人力那他在中階技術人力這當中的居留期間全部可以列入合法居留期間之計算那他\n645635\t664540\t這個他拜了五年之後你看合法居留五年之後其實他是可以申請規劃申請永居的耶所以那申請規劃之後他取得永居然後申請規劃之後他其實就是台灣的新住民好那我們現在回到來看這個新住民的這個入學辦法\n664980\t681397\t他只针对婚姻移民当以后这些移工他规划之后我觉得我想要申请台湾的高等教育他是排除在这个方案之外的因为你们这个方案里面只针对婚姻移民\n681977\t705959\t我們剛才講說實在有很多政策必須是要隨時都要再做檢視隨時要做滾動式的修正我想我們會來前面來檢視哪些的法規對我們各式各樣的一些新住民他在接受高等教育他是不利的等於說法令怎麼樣去以實際性來鬆綁所以你法條裡面也要改啊\n706579\t734891\t那是因為你裡面的辦法裡面就規定只有婚姻移民才可以嘛所以這個要修嘛那再來我們還有規定這個招訓的對象是規劃之後的新住民那取得永居可不可以是不是說經過了這麼多年我們應該要做通盤的檢討這個政策其實失靈了我們納入的這個對象是不是要來做擴大因為現在所謂的新住民入籍已經過是多元的管道\n735211\t758687\t不是只有單一的婚姻移民所以我現在想說這部分應該要拿出來做檢討那我希望說經過今天的這個總質詢之後我希望教育部來全面的來檢討所謂的新住民就讀大學辦法到底出了什麼問題我們是不是要把對象呢來擴大那不是只有規劃的婚姻移民\n759728\t788739\t像永居這部分可不可以納入新住民的定義其實已經擴大解釋絕對不是只有婚姻移民我想這部分教育部應該要來做檢視應該要來做檢討這一題我講到這裡另外我要提到的就是有關於我國的多元海外攬財計劃為了推動多元海外攬財計劃所以我們有透過三家市產學合作專班\n789079\t808862\t还有新南向专班来招来海外的这个桥外生到台湾来就学那当然我们最希望的就是说他们学成之后能够留台就业充实台湾的这个人才的资源可是我们都知道不管是3加4或者是新南向专班其实都有许多需要检讨的地方\n809442\t829172\t本席因為時間的關係所以我想針對華語文加強跟實習的內容跟院長跟部長做一個探討尤其是這個我們首先來講這個語言的部分我們都知道說這些橋外生長期都是在國外讀書也許華語文的程度真的是\n830413\t846690\t不到一定的这个就是水准所以可是我们现在是说你只要有鉴定为华语文鉴定为A1或A2就可以来谈就读可是A1跟A2的程度其实只具备日常的基本沟通能力你要到学校去\n847770\t868659\t去聽一些專業的名詞或是專業的用語真的這些孩子是沒有辦法消化的所以我們希望就是說教育部能夠在這些孩子來的第一年一定要要求大專院校必須在課程上面加強華語文的課程我不曉得部長這個部分有沒有去\n870220\t885299\t我這個去年520進來後也確實看到我們產息專班存在有許多這些橋外生進來他華語文他是能力不夠的所以在上課包括工廠的一個實習他都沒有辦法去做有效的學習\n886380\t907286\t所以我們現在事實上從這個進來要怎麼樣增強華語文各校在技高的一部分普高的一個部分到他要升到這個計算校園必須要至少要B1的這樣的一個程度從在台灣我們這個部分我們一定會來加強對這部分要加強不然孩子在課堂上根本聽不懂老師在講什麼我進來以後再\n909587\t930747\t這個等於說這下半年裡邊我們開始建立了一個跟僑委會建立一個機制也就是說僑委會在積極為產業這個尋求可能的產業未來的潛在人才來到台灣就讀的同時我們希望僑委會所找的這些年輕的學子應該跟教育部我們建立了一個\n933801\t957477\t兩個跨國會合作平台我們逐一的解釋這些學生到你去學校他是做corrider能夠真正培養文采能夠為產業所用而不是只是來這邊然後去做編校員的工作這個部分我們有許多的包含定期的這樣一個抽選我想這個部分在未來我們\n963326\t969135\t因為他接受了一個好教育泰國人留在台灣以後才越來越多\n999858\t1000819\t好谢谢罗美\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請卓院長還有教育部政部長麻煩再請卓院長教育部長備詢諾元豪\n院長好 首先本期要就新住民大學入學方案成效不佳的問題要跟院長還有部長做一個探討為了鼓勵新住民持續進入高等教育所以我們在108年11月的時候修訂了大學法第25條第一項然後在109年12月的時候訂定了新住民就讀大學辦法以不佔原核定名額外加2%的方式\n鼓励这个规划后的新住民报考大学那立法的这个目的呢是非常的呃友善也是希望呃友善新住民可以顺利衔接这个台湾的高等教育可是这制度上路之后呢报考的新住民人数真的是非常非常的低那本席曾经在111年的时候呢跟教育部呢探讨过报考人数多的这个报考人数低的这个问题啊可是当时呢教育部就\n就有回應說因為制度剛上路那也許是因為宣導不足所以給教育部一點時間那當時本席就曾經跟建議教育部務必要跟移民署來合作讓政策宣導可以下放到基層\n可是我们现在来看三年过去了到底成效如何那有关于这个新住民就读的大学的这个办法这个实施之后我们可以先来看111年111年全国有71所大专院校的不管是在副学士班学士班或者是说硕士班\n博士班其实都有开出了这个名额那时候的招生名额总计全国是4135位可是我们看报考的人数呢有多少呢其实总计只有33位\n我们开出了4000多的名额可是呢报考的人数只有33位那录取的人是只有11位而且报名有些地方报名的人数甚至一直以来都是挂零的那时候呢本席曾经在111年的时候跟教育部来做探讨的时候教育部说给我们一点时间\n相信制度刚上路所以呢宣导不足所以造成这个报名的这个人数呢是如此的这低落好111年整体的报名人数是不到0.8%连一趴都不到那再来讲如果按照教育部当初的讲法来讲的话那我们已经经过三年的该宣导也都宣导了那有没有成效呢我们来看有没有成效呢111\n112年 113年 114年我們發現報考人數越來越慘耶完全沒有一點進步耶完全沒有一點改善那我不曉得這個政策推行這麼多年以來教育部有沒有做通盤的檢討\n当初的这个美意真的是非常的好我们都非常的感谢让新住民可以顺利衔接台湾的这个高等教育可是没有想到现在出来的这个数据是如此的这个凄惨而且呢三年下来我们发现现在报名的人数我们看114年根本不到0.3%\n所以我想請教部長我們到底有沒有做過通盤的檢討還是說本席還沒有詢問這個之前這好像也不是教育部的重點所在我不曉得為什麼當初的免疫會淪為這個幽靈政策請問失靈的原因有檢討過嗎請問部長\n謝謝委員關心新住民特別他們都已經規劃我們我國國籍那他的一個高等教育的受教型其實從我們過去的一個研究發現大概過去的一個data看到新住民世上的小朋友他幾多的課業並不亞於我們\n後來小朋友一路讀小學、國中、高中到大學他們的成績其實不遑多讓所以我們現在當然有開了一個申請入學但是委員所關心的我們怎麼去對新住民特別規劃的這些即將進入高等教育接受\n這一個人才的培育也為產業能夠厚植實力我想這個部分我會後我再來更進一步的來了解整個我們在跟委員是不是在跟委員提出一個說明\n來 部長剛剛您給我的回答我發現您有一點搞混了我剛剛根本就沒有提到新住民二代它是針對新住民新住民二代當然就是在台灣出生長大在台灣受教育當然比照國人我現在所講的這個政策是針對新住民本身\nOK,我們再來看一下,這個真的是部長要跟你們部內相關的單位好好地來做探討,因為連部長都搞不清楚新住民就讀大學辦法的對象到底是誰。他的招生對象就是新住民,跟新住民二代一點關係都沒有。\n因为新住民有很多都是在国外受教育那可能因为他的母国的教育体系可能没有办法衔接到台湾所以台湾那时候想说要友善新住民让他们能够顺利进入到高等教育所以呢还会在原有名额和原核定的名额外加2%的方式让他们能够考取这些四千多个这个名额的这个科系问题是我们是要检讨就是说为什么\n执行了我们推行了这么多年一点成效都没有新住民为什么我们这个美意会变成一个幽灵政策新住民为什么没有来报考我们有没有去检讨过是因为宣导不足吗说实在本席过去曾经在全国各地开过这个座谈会曾经就有这个问题你们晓不晓得现在我们已经修了这个大学法新住民可以外加2%的方式呢去报考大学其实很多人是不知道的\n所以表示說宣導是不足的是委員我是請教委員委員在新住民的團體當中是相當了解他們的需求的那您提出的這個問題開出的名額那麼多報考的人數卻這麼少那是不是我們在公告上面有所不足或是在所以要檢討啦所以我現在就是來問說到底是怎麼回事嗎或是我們透過新住民的團體的工作還要做加強讓他能夠告訴更多的新住民\n有这样的一个外加百分之二的名额可以供他们来这里读书读大学是不是这个过程很够所以我就在想说这是政府的美意为什么在居然没有落实好像说我订立这个了我就是友善新住民实际上很多新住民根本就不知道说原来我可以用这种方式进入到高等教育这我想想说这个部分就是教育部要去检讨的嘛你总不能空有政策那实际上一点效果都没有\n所以要去檢討到底發生了什麼事情我想跟委員報告這真的委員今天的數據確實我想我們教育部內部來檢討那整個會後我也會來親自來跟委員來請教看我們到底在教育部在整個政策如何來落實因為良華免疫結果人數沒有出來部長你看到這個數據\n很多都是從頭到尾都是掛零的難道您看到這個不會覺得很汗顏嗎為什麼會一個政策推行到這樣子居然是幾乎我們可以說是打零分而且也不是剛開始剛開始我還想說好我讓你們去我一定會深切內部來做檢討也跟委員多情義\n是的这个部分其实三年前推行的时候本期就已经在盯着这个部分三年后再检讨还是一点成效都没有所以教育部一定要检讨那再来还有一点我们看到这名称新住民就读大学办法难道所有的新住民都有纳入这个招生的对象吗部长我想你这部分你可能不是很了解\n我們先來看,這個新住民就讀大學辦法,其實並不是所有的新住民都適用,為什麼呢?按照新住民就讀大學辦法第二條,它裡面有提到,它指的是依國籍法第四條第一項第一款到第三款的規定,\n可能部長要回去看一下補給法這個法條裡面的規定是什麼然後申請規劃的新住民一到這個法規申請規劃的新住民才能夠申請這個方案才符合這個招生的資格其實簡單的講他這個方案的招生對象只有婚姻移民只有婚姻移民\n我们也知道说现在新住民的第一我想院长应该很清楚新住民的第一已经扩大解释了已经扩大解释我们入籍的入籍台湾的这个新住民其实有非常多元的管道不是只有婚姻移民\n你知道嗎 一般的移工未來很可能也成為新住民我們現在確實希望有更多的外籍專業人力能夠留在台灣所以國化會確實也有許多的相對配合的措施\n來我們來看一下像一般的這個移工一般的這個移工他如果利用流採久用方案我想這個部長應該很清楚在台工作滿6年以上並符合一定資金之或技術條件者其實6年之後他可以升級為中階技術人力那他在中階技術人力這當中的居留期間全部可以列入合法居留期間之計算那他\n這個他拜了五年之後你看合法居留五年之後其實他是可以申請規劃申請永居的耶所以那申請規劃之後他取得永居然後申請規劃之後他其實就是台灣的新住民好那我們現在回到來看這個新住民的這個入學辦法\n他只针对婚姻移民当以后这些移工他规划之后我觉得我想要申请台湾的高等教育他是排除在这个方案之外的因为你们这个方案里面只针对婚姻移民\n我們剛才講說實在有很多政策必須是要隨時都要再做檢視隨時要做滾動式的修正我想我們會來前面來檢視哪些的法規對我們各式各樣的一些新住民他在接受高等教育他是不利的等於說法令怎麼樣去以實際性來鬆綁所以你法條裡面也要改啊\n那是因為你裡面的辦法裡面就規定只有婚姻移民才可以嘛所以這個要修嘛那再來我們還有規定這個招訓的對象是規劃之後的新住民那取得永居可不可以是不是說經過了這麼多年我們應該要做通盤的檢討這個政策其實失靈了我們納入的這個對象是不是要來做擴大因為現在所謂的新住民入籍已經過是多元的管道\n不是只有單一的婚姻移民所以我現在想說這部分應該要拿出來做檢討那我希望說經過今天的這個總質詢之後我希望教育部來全面的來檢討所謂的新住民就讀大學辦法到底出了什麼問題我們是不是要把對象呢來擴大那不是只有規劃的婚姻移民\n像永居這部分可不可以納入新住民的定義其實已經擴大解釋絕對不是只有婚姻移民我想這部分教育部應該要來做檢視應該要來做檢討這一題我講到這裡另外我要提到的就是有關於我國的多元海外攬財計劃為了推動多元海外攬財計劃所以我們有透過三家市產學合作專班\n还有新南向专班来招来海外的这个桥外生到台湾来就学那当然我们最希望的就是说他们学成之后能够留台就业充实台湾的这个人才的资源可是我们都知道不管是3加4或者是新南向专班其实都有许多需要检讨的地方\n本席因為時間的關係所以我想針對華語文加強跟實習的內容跟院長跟部長做一個探討尤其是這個我們首先來講這個語言的部分我們都知道說這些橋外生長期都是在國外讀書也許華語文的程度真的是\n不到一定的这个就是水准所以可是我们现在是说你只要有鉴定为华语文鉴定为A1或A2就可以来谈就读可是A1跟A2的程度其实只具备日常的基本沟通能力你要到学校去\n去聽一些專業的名詞或是專業的用語真的這些孩子是沒有辦法消化的所以我們希望就是說教育部能夠在這些孩子來的第一年一定要要求大專院校必須在課程上面加強華語文的課程我不曉得部長這個部分有沒有去\n我這個去年520進來後也確實看到我們產息專班存在有許多這些橋外生進來他華語文他是能力不夠的所以在上課包括工廠的一個實習他都沒有辦法去做有效的學習\n所以我們現在事實上從這個進來要怎麼樣增強華語文各校在技高的一部分普高的一個部分到他要升到這個計算校園必須要至少要B1的這樣的一個程度從在台灣我們這個部分我們一定會來加強對這部分要加強不然孩子在課堂上根本聽不懂老師在講什麼我進來以後再\n這個等於說這下半年裡邊我們開始建立了一個跟僑委會建立一個機制也就是說僑委會在積極為產業這個尋求可能的產業未來的潛在人才來到台灣就讀的同時我們希望僑委會所找的這些年輕的學子應該跟教育部我們建立了一個\n兩個跨國會合作平台我們逐一的解釋這些學生到你去學校他是做corrider能夠真正培養文采能夠為產業所用而不是只是來這邊然後去做編校員的工作這個部分我們有許多的包含定期的這樣一個抽選我想這個部分在未來我們\n因為他接受了一個好教育泰國人留在台灣以後才越來越多\n好谢谢罗美\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.705 --> 00:15.469\n謝謝主席有請卓院長還有教育部政部長麻煩再請卓院長教育部長備詢諾元豪\n\n00:27.029 --> 00:54.682\n院長好首先本期要就新住民大學入學方案成效不佳的問題要跟院長還有部長做一個探討為了鼓勵新住民持續進入高等教育所以我們在108年11月的時候修訂了大學法第25條第一項然後在109年12月的時候訂定了新住民就讀大學辦法以不佔原核定名額外加2%的方式\n\n00:55.222 --> 01:24.768\n鼓励这个规划后的新住民报考大学那立法的这个目的呢是非常的呃友善也是希望呃友善新住民可以顺利衔接这个台湾的高等教育可是这制度上路之后呢报考的新住民人数真的是非常非常的低那本席曾经在111年的时候呢跟教育部呢探讨过报考人数多的这个报考人数低的这个问题啊可是当时呢教育部就\n\n01:25.188 --> 01:42.442\n就有回應說因為制度剛上路那也許是因為宣導不足所以給教育部一點時間那當時本席就曾經跟建議教育部務必要跟移民署來合作讓政策宣導可以下放到基層\n\n01:43.203 --> 02:05.230\n可是我们现在来看三年过去了到底成效如何那有关于这个新住民就读的大学的这个办法这个实施之后我们可以先来看111年111年全国有71所大专院校的不管是在副学士班学士班或者是说硕士班\n\n02:06.010 --> 02:19.735\n博士班其实都有开出了这个名额那时候的招生名额总计全国是4135位可是我们看报考的人数呢有多少呢其实总计只有33位\n\n02:21.696 --> 02:43.772\n我们开出了4000多的名额可是呢报考的人数只有33位那录取的人是只有11位而且报名有些地方报名的人数甚至一直以来都是挂零的那时候呢本席曾经在111年的时候跟教育部来做探讨的时候教育部说给我们一点时间\n\n02:44.372 --> 03:10.692\n相信制度刚上路所以呢宣导不足所以造成这个报名的这个人数呢是如此的这低落好111年整体的报名人数是不到0.8%连一趴都不到那再来讲如果按照教育部当初的讲法来讲的话那我们已经经过三年的该宣导也都宣导了那有没有成效呢我们来看有没有成效呢111\n\n03:12.894 --> 03:28.093\n112年113年114年我們發現報考人數越來越慘耶完全沒有一點進步耶完全沒有一點改善那我不曉得這個政策推行這麼多年以來教育部有沒有做通盤的檢討\n\n03:29.335 --> 03:47.970\n当初的这个美意真的是非常的好我们都非常的感谢让新住民可以顺利衔接台湾的这个高等教育可是没有想到现在出来的这个数据是如此的这个凄惨而且呢三年下来我们发现现在报名的人数我们看114年根本不到0.3%\n\n03:50.892 --> 04:06.063\n所以我想請教部長我們到底有沒有做過通盤的檢討還是說本席還沒有詢問這個之前這好像也不是教育部的重點所在我不曉得為什麼當初的免疫會淪為這個幽靈政策請問失靈的原因有檢討過嗎請問部長\n\n04:08.682 --> 04:24.275\n謝謝委員關心新住民特別他們都已經規劃我們我國國籍那他的一個高等教育的受教型其實從我們過去的一個研究發現大概過去的一個data看到新住民世上的小朋友他幾多的課業並不亞於我們\n\n04:26.637 --> 04:48.405\n後來小朋友一路讀小學、國中、高中到大學他們的成績其實不遑多讓所以我們現在當然有開了一個申請入學但是委員所關心的我們怎麼去對新住民特別規劃的這些即將進入高等教育接受\n\n04:49.245 --> 05:03.732\n這一個人才的培育也為產業能夠厚植實力我想這個部分我會後我再來更進一步的來了解整個我們在跟委員是不是在跟委員提出一個說明\n\n05:04.894 --> 05:24.552\n來部長剛剛您給我的回答我發現您有一點搞混了我剛剛根本就沒有提到新住民二代它是針對新住民新住民二代當然就是在台灣出生長大在台灣受教育當然比照國人我現在所講的這個政策是針對新住民本身\n\n05:26.001 --> 05:45.072\nOK,我們再來看一下,這個真的是部長要跟你們部內相關的單位好好地來做探討,因為連部長都搞不清楚新住民就讀大學辦法的對象到底是誰。他的招生對象就是新住民,跟新住民二代一點關係都沒有。\n\n05:47.353 --> 06:16.457\n因为新住民有很多都是在国外受教育那可能因为他的母国的教育体系可能没有办法衔接到台湾所以台湾那时候想说要友善新住民让他们能够顺利进入到高等教育所以呢还会在原有名额和原核定的名额外加2%的方式让他们能够考取这些四千多个这个名额的这个科系问题是我们是要检讨就是说为什么\n\n06:17.077 --> 06:46.717\n执行了我们推行了这么多年一点成效都没有新住民为什么我们这个美意会变成一个幽灵政策新住民为什么没有来报考我们有没有去检讨过是因为宣导不足吗说实在本席过去曾经在全国各地开过这个座谈会曾经就有这个问题你们晓不晓得现在我们已经修了这个大学法新住民可以外加2%的方式呢去报考大学其实很多人是不知道的\n\n06:47.037 --> 07:13.680\n所以表示說宣導是不足的是委員我是請教委員委員在新住民的團體當中是相當了解他們的需求的那您提出的這個問題開出的名額那麼多報考的人數卻這麼少那是不是我們在公告上面有所不足或是在所以要檢討啦所以我現在就是來問說到底是怎麼回事嗎或是我們透過新住民的團體的工作還要做加強讓他能夠告訴更多的新住民\n\n07:14.020 --> 07:41.645\n有这样的一个外加百分之二的名额可以供他们来这里读书读大学是不是这个过程很够所以我就在想说这是政府的美意为什么在居然没有落实好像说我订立这个了我就是友善新住民实际上很多新住民根本就不知道说原来我可以用这种方式进入到高等教育这我想想说这个部分就是教育部要去检讨的嘛你总不能空有政策那实际上一点效果都没有\n\n07:42.065 --> 08:04.490\n所以要去檢討到底發生了什麼事情我想跟委員報告這真的委員今天的數據確實我想我們教育部內部來檢討那整個會後我也會來親自來跟委員來請教看我們到底在教育部在整個政策如何來落實因為良華免疫結果人數沒有出來部長你看到這個數據\n\n08:05.350 --> 08:22.990\n很多都是從頭到尾都是掛零的難道您看到這個不會覺得很汗顏嗎為什麼會一個政策推行到這樣子居然是幾乎我們可以說是打零分而且也不是剛開始剛開始我還想說好我讓你們去我一定會深切內部來做檢討也跟委員多情義\n\n08:23.550 --> 08:45.272\n是的这个部分其实三年前推行的时候本期就已经在盯着这个部分三年后再检讨还是一点成效都没有所以教育部一定要检讨那再来还有一点我们看到这名称新住民就读大学办法难道所有的新住民都有纳入这个招生的对象吗部长我想你这部分你可能不是很了解\n\n08:48.801 --> 09:11.261\n我們先來看,這個新住民就讀大學辦法,其實並不是所有的新住民都適用,為什麼呢?按照新住民就讀大學辦法第二條,它裡面有提到,它指的是依國籍法第四條第一項第一款到第三款的規定,\n\n09:12.442 --> 09:34.330\n可能部長要回去看一下補給法這個法條裡面的規定是什麼然後申請規劃的新住民一到這個法規申請規劃的新住民才能夠申請這個方案才符合這個招生的資格其實簡單的講他這個方案的招生對象只有婚姻移民只有婚姻移民\n\n09:35.646 --> 09:52.464\n我们也知道说现在新住民的第一我想院长应该很清楚新住民的第一已经扩大解释了已经扩大解释我们入籍的入籍台湾的这个新住民其实有非常多元的管道不是只有婚姻移民\n\n09:54.012 --> 10:12.957\n你知道嗎一般的移工未來很可能也成為新住民我們現在確實希望有更多的外籍專業人力能夠留在台灣所以國化會確實也有許多的相對配合的措施\n\n10:15.518 --> 10:43.635\n來我們來看一下像一般的這個移工一般的這個移工他如果利用流採久用方案我想這個部長應該很清楚在台工作滿6年以上並符合一定資金之或技術條件者其實6年之後他可以升級為中階技術人力那他在中階技術人力這當中的居留期間全部可以列入合法居留期間之計算那他\n\n10:45.635 --> 11:04.540\n這個他拜了五年之後你看合法居留五年之後其實他是可以申請規劃申請永居的耶所以那申請規劃之後他取得永居然後申請規劃之後他其實就是台灣的新住民好那我們現在回到來看這個新住民的這個入學辦法\n\n11:04.980 --> 11:21.397\n他只针对婚姻移民当以后这些移工他规划之后我觉得我想要申请台湾的高等教育他是排除在这个方案之外的因为你们这个方案里面只针对婚姻移民\n\n11:21.977 --> 11:45.959\n我們剛才講說實在有很多政策必須是要隨時都要再做檢視隨時要做滾動式的修正我想我們會來前面來檢視哪些的法規對我們各式各樣的一些新住民他在接受高等教育他是不利的等於說法令怎麼樣去以實際性來鬆綁所以你法條裡面也要改啊\n\n11:46.579 --> 12:14.891\n那是因為你裡面的辦法裡面就規定只有婚姻移民才可以嘛所以這個要修嘛那再來我們還有規定這個招訓的對象是規劃之後的新住民那取得永居可不可以是不是說經過了這麼多年我們應該要做通盤的檢討這個政策其實失靈了我們納入的這個對象是不是要來做擴大因為現在所謂的新住民入籍已經過是多元的管道\n\n12:15.211 --> 12:38.687\n不是只有單一的婚姻移民所以我現在想說這部分應該要拿出來做檢討那我希望說經過今天的這個總質詢之後我希望教育部來全面的來檢討所謂的新住民就讀大學辦法到底出了什麼問題我們是不是要把對象呢來擴大那不是只有規劃的婚姻移民\n\n12:39.728 --> 13:08.739\n像永居這部分可不可以納入新住民的定義其實已經擴大解釋絕對不是只有婚姻移民我想這部分教育部應該要來做檢視應該要來做檢討這一題我講到這裡另外我要提到的就是有關於我國的多元海外攬財計劃為了推動多元海外攬財計劃所以我們有透過三家市產學合作專班\n\n13:09.079 --> 13:28.862\n还有新南向专班来招来海外的这个桥外生到台湾来就学那当然我们最希望的就是说他们学成之后能够留台就业充实台湾的这个人才的资源可是我们都知道不管是3加4或者是新南向专班其实都有许多需要检讨的地方\n\n13:29.442 --> 13:49.172\n本席因為時間的關係所以我想針對華語文加強跟實習的內容跟院長跟部長做一個探討尤其是這個我們首先來講這個語言的部分我們都知道說這些橋外生長期都是在國外讀書也許華語文的程度真的是\n\n13:50.413 --> 14:06.690\n不到一定的这个就是水准所以可是我们现在是说你只要有鉴定为华语文鉴定为A1或A2就可以来谈就读可是A1跟A2的程度其实只具备日常的基本沟通能力你要到学校去\n\n14:07.770 --> 14:28.659\n去聽一些專業的名詞或是專業的用語真的這些孩子是沒有辦法消化的所以我們希望就是說教育部能夠在這些孩子來的第一年一定要要求大專院校必須在課程上面加強華語文的課程我不曉得部長這個部分有沒有去\n\n14:30.220 --> 14:45.299\n我這個去年520進來後也確實看到我們產息專班存在有許多這些橋外生進來他華語文他是能力不夠的所以在上課包括工廠的一個實習他都沒有辦法去做有效的學習\n\n14:46.380 --> 15:07.286\n所以我們現在事實上從這個進來要怎麼樣增強華語文各校在技高的一部分普高的一個部分到他要升到這個計算校園必須要至少要B1的這樣的一個程度從在台灣我們這個部分我們一定會來加強對這部分要加強不然孩子在課堂上根本聽不懂老師在講什麼我進來以後再\n\n15:09.587 --> 15:30.747\n這個等於說這下半年裡邊我們開始建立了一個跟僑委會建立一個機制也就是說僑委會在積極為產業這個尋求可能的產業未來的潛在人才來到台灣就讀的同時我們希望僑委會所找的這些年輕的學子應該跟教育部我們建立了一個\n\n15:33.801 --> 15:57.477\n兩個跨國會合作平台我們逐一的解釋這些學生到你去學校他是做corrider能夠真正培養文采能夠為產業所用而不是只是來這邊然後去做編校員的工作這個部分我們有許多的包含定期的這樣一個抽選我想這個部分在未來我們\n\n16:03.326 --> 16:09.135\n因為他接受了一個好教育泰國人留在台灣以後才越來越多\n\n16:39.858 --> 16:40.819\n好谢谢罗美\n\n","segments":[{"start":8.705,"end":15.469,"text":"謝謝主席有請卓院長還有教育部政部長麻煩再請卓院長教育部長備詢諾元豪"},{"start":27.029,"end":54.682,"text":"院長好 首先本期要就新住民大學入學方案成效不佳的問題要跟院長還有部長做一個探討為了鼓勵新住民持續進入高等教育所以我們在108年11月的時候修訂了大學法第25條第一項然後在109年12月的時候訂定了新住民就讀大學辦法以不佔原核定名額外加2%的方式"},{"start":55.222,"end":84.768,"text":"鼓励这个规划后的新住民报考大学那立法的这个目的呢是非常的呃友善也是希望呃友善新住民可以顺利衔接这个台湾的高等教育可是这制度上路之后呢报考的新住民人数真的是非常非常的低那本席曾经在111年的时候呢跟教育部呢探讨过报考人数多的这个报考人数低的这个问题啊可是当时呢教育部就"},{"start":85.188,"end":102.442,"text":"就有回應說因為制度剛上路那也許是因為宣導不足所以給教育部一點時間那當時本席就曾經跟建議教育部務必要跟移民署來合作讓政策宣導可以下放到基層"},{"start":103.203,"end":125.23,"text":"可是我们现在来看三年过去了到底成效如何那有关于这个新住民就读的大学的这个办法这个实施之后我们可以先来看111年111年全国有71所大专院校的不管是在副学士班学士班或者是说硕士班"},{"start":126.01,"end":139.735,"text":"博士班其实都有开出了这个名额那时候的招生名额总计全国是4135位可是我们看报考的人数呢有多少呢其实总计只有33位"},{"start":141.696,"end":163.772,"text":"我们开出了4000多的名额可是呢报考的人数只有33位那录取的人是只有11位而且报名有些地方报名的人数甚至一直以来都是挂零的那时候呢本席曾经在111年的时候跟教育部来做探讨的时候教育部说给我们一点时间"},{"start":164.372,"end":190.692,"text":"相信制度刚上路所以呢宣导不足所以造成这个报名的这个人数呢是如此的这低落好111年整体的报名人数是不到0.8%连一趴都不到那再来讲如果按照教育部当初的讲法来讲的话那我们已经经过三年的该宣导也都宣导了那有没有成效呢我们来看有没有成效呢111"},{"start":192.894,"end":208.093,"text":"112年 113年 114年我們發現報考人數越來越慘耶完全沒有一點進步耶完全沒有一點改善那我不曉得這個政策推行這麼多年以來教育部有沒有做通盤的檢討"},{"start":209.335,"end":227.97,"text":"当初的这个美意真的是非常的好我们都非常的感谢让新住民可以顺利衔接台湾的这个高等教育可是没有想到现在出来的这个数据是如此的这个凄惨而且呢三年下来我们发现现在报名的人数我们看114年根本不到0.3%"},{"start":230.892,"end":246.063,"text":"所以我想請教部長我們到底有沒有做過通盤的檢討還是說本席還沒有詢問這個之前這好像也不是教育部的重點所在我不曉得為什麼當初的免疫會淪為這個幽靈政策請問失靈的原因有檢討過嗎請問部長"},{"start":248.682,"end":264.275,"text":"謝謝委員關心新住民特別他們都已經規劃我們我國國籍那他的一個高等教育的受教型其實從我們過去的一個研究發現大概過去的一個data看到新住民世上的小朋友他幾多的課業並不亞於我們"},{"start":266.637,"end":288.405,"text":"後來小朋友一路讀小學、國中、高中到大學他們的成績其實不遑多讓所以我們現在當然有開了一個申請入學但是委員所關心的我們怎麼去對新住民特別規劃的這些即將進入高等教育接受"},{"start":289.245,"end":303.732,"text":"這一個人才的培育也為產業能夠厚植實力我想這個部分我會後我再來更進一步的來了解整個我們在跟委員是不是在跟委員提出一個說明"},{"start":304.894,"end":324.552,"text":"來 部長剛剛您給我的回答我發現您有一點搞混了我剛剛根本就沒有提到新住民二代它是針對新住民新住民二代當然就是在台灣出生長大在台灣受教育當然比照國人我現在所講的這個政策是針對新住民本身"},{"start":326.001,"end":345.072,"text":"OK,我們再來看一下,這個真的是部長要跟你們部內相關的單位好好地來做探討,因為連部長都搞不清楚新住民就讀大學辦法的對象到底是誰。他的招生對象就是新住民,跟新住民二代一點關係都沒有。"},{"start":347.353,"end":376.457,"text":"因为新住民有很多都是在国外受教育那可能因为他的母国的教育体系可能没有办法衔接到台湾所以台湾那时候想说要友善新住民让他们能够顺利进入到高等教育所以呢还会在原有名额和原核定的名额外加2%的方式让他们能够考取这些四千多个这个名额的这个科系问题是我们是要检讨就是说为什么"},{"start":377.077,"end":406.717,"text":"执行了我们推行了这么多年一点成效都没有新住民为什么我们这个美意会变成一个幽灵政策新住民为什么没有来报考我们有没有去检讨过是因为宣导不足吗说实在本席过去曾经在全国各地开过这个座谈会曾经就有这个问题你们晓不晓得现在我们已经修了这个大学法新住民可以外加2%的方式呢去报考大学其实很多人是不知道的"},{"start":407.037,"end":433.68,"text":"所以表示說宣導是不足的是委員我是請教委員委員在新住民的團體當中是相當了解他們的需求的那您提出的這個問題開出的名額那麼多報考的人數卻這麼少那是不是我們在公告上面有所不足或是在所以要檢討啦所以我現在就是來問說到底是怎麼回事嗎或是我們透過新住民的團體的工作還要做加強讓他能夠告訴更多的新住民"},{"start":434.02,"end":461.645,"text":"有这样的一个外加百分之二的名额可以供他们来这里读书读大学是不是这个过程很够所以我就在想说这是政府的美意为什么在居然没有落实好像说我订立这个了我就是友善新住民实际上很多新住民根本就不知道说原来我可以用这种方式进入到高等教育这我想想说这个部分就是教育部要去检讨的嘛你总不能空有政策那实际上一点效果都没有"},{"start":462.065,"end":484.49,"text":"所以要去檢討到底發生了什麼事情我想跟委員報告這真的委員今天的數據確實我想我們教育部內部來檢討那整個會後我也會來親自來跟委員來請教看我們到底在教育部在整個政策如何來落實因為良華免疫結果人數沒有出來部長你看到這個數據"},{"start":485.35,"end":502.99,"text":"很多都是從頭到尾都是掛零的難道您看到這個不會覺得很汗顏嗎為什麼會一個政策推行到這樣子居然是幾乎我們可以說是打零分而且也不是剛開始剛開始我還想說好我讓你們去我一定會深切內部來做檢討也跟委員多情義"},{"start":503.55,"end":525.272,"text":"是的这个部分其实三年前推行的时候本期就已经在盯着这个部分三年后再检讨还是一点成效都没有所以教育部一定要检讨那再来还有一点我们看到这名称新住民就读大学办法难道所有的新住民都有纳入这个招生的对象吗部长我想你这部分你可能不是很了解"},{"start":528.801,"end":551.261,"text":"我們先來看,這個新住民就讀大學辦法,其實並不是所有的新住民都適用,為什麼呢?按照新住民就讀大學辦法第二條,它裡面有提到,它指的是依國籍法第四條第一項第一款到第三款的規定,"},{"start":552.442,"end":574.33,"text":"可能部長要回去看一下補給法這個法條裡面的規定是什麼然後申請規劃的新住民一到這個法規申請規劃的新住民才能夠申請這個方案才符合這個招生的資格其實簡單的講他這個方案的招生對象只有婚姻移民只有婚姻移民"},{"start":575.646,"end":592.464,"text":"我们也知道说现在新住民的第一我想院长应该很清楚新住民的第一已经扩大解释了已经扩大解释我们入籍的入籍台湾的这个新住民其实有非常多元的管道不是只有婚姻移民"},{"start":594.012,"end":612.957,"text":"你知道嗎 一般的移工未來很可能也成為新住民我們現在確實希望有更多的外籍專業人力能夠留在台灣所以國化會確實也有許多的相對配合的措施"},{"start":615.518,"end":643.635,"text":"來我們來看一下像一般的這個移工一般的這個移工他如果利用流採久用方案我想這個部長應該很清楚在台工作滿6年以上並符合一定資金之或技術條件者其實6年之後他可以升級為中階技術人力那他在中階技術人力這當中的居留期間全部可以列入合法居留期間之計算那他"},{"start":645.635,"end":664.54,"text":"這個他拜了五年之後你看合法居留五年之後其實他是可以申請規劃申請永居的耶所以那申請規劃之後他取得永居然後申請規劃之後他其實就是台灣的新住民好那我們現在回到來看這個新住民的這個入學辦法"},{"start":664.98,"end":681.397,"text":"他只针对婚姻移民当以后这些移工他规划之后我觉得我想要申请台湾的高等教育他是排除在这个方案之外的因为你们这个方案里面只针对婚姻移民"},{"start":681.977,"end":705.959,"text":"我們剛才講說實在有很多政策必須是要隨時都要再做檢視隨時要做滾動式的修正我想我們會來前面來檢視哪些的法規對我們各式各樣的一些新住民他在接受高等教育他是不利的等於說法令怎麼樣去以實際性來鬆綁所以你法條裡面也要改啊"},{"start":706.579,"end":734.891,"text":"那是因為你裡面的辦法裡面就規定只有婚姻移民才可以嘛所以這個要修嘛那再來我們還有規定這個招訓的對象是規劃之後的新住民那取得永居可不可以是不是說經過了這麼多年我們應該要做通盤的檢討這個政策其實失靈了我們納入的這個對象是不是要來做擴大因為現在所謂的新住民入籍已經過是多元的管道"},{"start":735.211,"end":758.687,"text":"不是只有單一的婚姻移民所以我現在想說這部分應該要拿出來做檢討那我希望說經過今天的這個總質詢之後我希望教育部來全面的來檢討所謂的新住民就讀大學辦法到底出了什麼問題我們是不是要把對象呢來擴大那不是只有規劃的婚姻移民"},{"start":759.728,"end":788.739,"text":"像永居這部分可不可以納入新住民的定義其實已經擴大解釋絕對不是只有婚姻移民我想這部分教育部應該要來做檢視應該要來做檢討這一題我講到這裡另外我要提到的就是有關於我國的多元海外攬財計劃為了推動多元海外攬財計劃所以我們有透過三家市產學合作專班"},{"start":789.079,"end":808.862,"text":"还有新南向专班来招来海外的这个桥外生到台湾来就学那当然我们最希望的就是说他们学成之后能够留台就业充实台湾的这个人才的资源可是我们都知道不管是3加4或者是新南向专班其实都有许多需要检讨的地方"},{"start":809.442,"end":829.172,"text":"本席因為時間的關係所以我想針對華語文加強跟實習的內容跟院長跟部長做一個探討尤其是這個我們首先來講這個語言的部分我們都知道說這些橋外生長期都是在國外讀書也許華語文的程度真的是"},{"start":830.413,"end":846.69,"text":"不到一定的这个就是水准所以可是我们现在是说你只要有鉴定为华语文鉴定为A1或A2就可以来谈就读可是A1跟A2的程度其实只具备日常的基本沟通能力你要到学校去"},{"start":847.77,"end":868.659,"text":"去聽一些專業的名詞或是專業的用語真的這些孩子是沒有辦法消化的所以我們希望就是說教育部能夠在這些孩子來的第一年一定要要求大專院校必須在課程上面加強華語文的課程我不曉得部長這個部分有沒有去"},{"start":870.22,"end":885.299,"text":"我這個去年520進來後也確實看到我們產息專班存在有許多這些橋外生進來他華語文他是能力不夠的所以在上課包括工廠的一個實習他都沒有辦法去做有效的學習"},{"start":886.38,"end":907.286,"text":"所以我們現在事實上從這個進來要怎麼樣增強華語文各校在技高的一部分普高的一個部分到他要升到這個計算校園必須要至少要B1的這樣的一個程度從在台灣我們這個部分我們一定會來加強對這部分要加強不然孩子在課堂上根本聽不懂老師在講什麼我進來以後再"},{"start":909.587,"end":930.747,"text":"這個等於說這下半年裡邊我們開始建立了一個跟僑委會建立一個機制也就是說僑委會在積極為產業這個尋求可能的產業未來的潛在人才來到台灣就讀的同時我們希望僑委會所找的這些年輕的學子應該跟教育部我們建立了一個"},{"start":933.801,"end":957.477,"text":"兩個跨國會合作平台我們逐一的解釋這些學生到你去學校他是做corrider能夠真正培養文采能夠為產業所用而不是只是來這邊然後去做編校員的工作這個部分我們有許多的包含定期的這樣一個抽選我想這個部分在未來我們"},{"start":963.326,"end":969.135,"text":"因為他接受了一個好教育泰國人留在台灣以後才越來越多"},{"start":999.858,"end":1000.819,"text":"好谢谢罗美"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":665,"blocks":[["羅委員美玲：（16時18分）謝謝主席，有請卓院長及教育部鄭部長。"],["主席：麻煩再請卓院長、教育部長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：羅委員好。"],["羅委員美玲：院長好。首先本席要就新住民大學入學方案成效不佳的問題跟院長及部長做一個探討，為了鼓勵新住民持續進入高等教育，我們在108年11月的時候修訂了大學法第二十五條第一項，然後在109年12月的時候訂定了新住民就讀大學辦法，以不占核定名額外加2%的方式鼓勵歸化後的新住民報考大學。立法的目的非常善意，是希望新住民可以順利銜接臺灣的高等教育，可是這個制度上路之後，報考的新住民人數真的非常非常低。本席曾經在111年的時候跟教育部探討過報考人數低的這個問題，當時教育部的回應是制度剛上路，也許因為宣導不足，所以要給教育部一點時間。當時本席就曾經建議教育部務必要跟移民署合作，讓政策宣導可以下放到基層。可是我們現在來看，三年過去了，到底成效如何？在新住民就讀大學辦法實施之後，我們可以先看111年，111年全國有71所大專院校不管是副學士班、學士班或是碩士班、博士班，其實都有開出名額，那時候全國的招生名額總計是4,135位，可是我們看報考的人數有多少？總計只有33位。我們開出了四千多個名額，可是報考的人數只有33位，錄取的人數只有11位，而且有些地方報名的人數甚至一直以來都是掛零的。","本席曾經在111年跟教育部探討的時候，教育部說給他們一點時間，相信因為制度剛上路宣導不足，所以造成報名的人數如此低落，111年整體的報名人數不到0.8%，連1%都不到。如果按照教育部當初的講法，照理來講實施至今已經過三年，該宣導的也都宣導了，那有沒有成效呢？我們來看有沒有成效，112年、113年、114年檢視下來，我們發現報考人數越來越慘，完全沒有一點進步，完全沒有一點改善。","我不曉得這個政策推行這麼多年以來，教育部有沒有做過通盤檢討？當初的美意真的是非常的好，我們都非常的感謝，讓新住民可以順利的銜接臺灣的高等教育，可是沒有想到現在出來的數據是如此的淒慘。而且三年下來，我們發現現在報名的人數，我們看114年，根本不到0.3%。所以我想請教部長，我們到底有沒有做過通盤的檢討，還是本席還沒有詢問之前，這個好像也不是教育部的施政重點所在？我不曉得為什麼當初的美意會淪為幽靈政策，請問失靈的原因有檢討過嗎？請問部長。"],["鄭部長英耀：謝謝委員關心新住民，特別他們都已經歸化我國國籍，他們高等教育的受教權，其實從我們過去的研究發現，從過去的data看到，事實上許多新住民小朋友的課業並不亞於我們……"],["羅委員美玲：部長，我講的不是小朋友，是新住民喔。"],["鄭部長英耀：是，我說這些新住民的小朋友後來一路讀小學、國中、高中到大學，他們的成績其實不遑多讓，所以我們現在當然有開了一個申請入學，但是委員所關心的、我們怎麼樣去為新住民特別規劃的這些即將進入高等教育接受人才的培育，也為產業能夠厚植實力，我想這一個部分，會後我再更進一步的來了解整個狀況，我們再跟委員提出一個說明。"],["羅委員美玲：來，部長剛剛給我的回答，我發現你有一點搞混了。我剛剛根本就沒有提到新住民二代，它是針對新住民，新住民二代當然就是在臺灣出生、長大，在臺灣受教育，當然比照國人，我現在所講的這個政策是針對新住民本身。OK，來，我們再來看一下好了，這個真的部長要跟你們部內相關的單位好好探討，因為連部長都搞不清楚。這個新住民就讀大學辦法的對象到底是誰？它的招生對象就是新住民，跟新住民二代一點關係都沒有。新住民有很多都是在國外受教育，可能因為他母國的教育體系跟臺灣的體制沒有辦法銜接，所以臺灣那時候想說要友善新住民，讓他們能夠順利進入高等教育，所以用原核定名額外加2%的方式，讓他們能夠考取這四千多個名額的科系。","我們現在檢討的問題是，為什麼我們推行了這麼多年，一點成效都沒有？為什麼我們對新住民的美意會變成一個幽靈政策，新住民為什麼沒有來報考？我們有沒有去檢討過？是因為宣導不足嗎？說實在，本席過去曾經在全國各地開過座談會，曾經就這個問題詢問新住民，曉不曉得現在我們已經修了大學法，新住民可以外加2%的方式去報考大學？其實很多人是不知道的，所以表示宣導是不足的。"],["卓院長榮泰：是，委員，我請教委員，委員在新住民的團體當中是相當了解他們的需求，那您提出了這個問題，開出的名額那麼多，報考的人數卻這麼少，是不是我們在公告上面有所不足，或是在……"],["羅委員美玲：所以要檢討啊！我現在就是來問到底是怎麼回事嘛。"],["卓院長榮泰：或是我們透過新住民的團體工作還要做加強，讓他能夠告訴更多新住民有這樣外加2%的名額，可以供他們來這裡讀書、讀大學，是不是這個過程還不夠？"],["羅委員美玲：是啊！所以我在想說這是政府的美意，為什麼居然沒有落實？好像我訂定這個規定了，我就是友善新住民，實際上很多新住民根本就不知道，原來他可以用這種方式進入高等教育，所以我想這個部分就是教育部要去檢討的，你總不能空有政策，實際上一點效果都沒有，所以要去檢討到底發生了什麼事情，當然之前……"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告，關於委員今天的數據，我想我們教育部內部要來檢討，會後我也會親自跟委員請教，看我們教育部在整個政策如何來落實，因為這是良法美意，結果人數沒有出來，我想我們真的要認真的……"],["羅委員美玲：是啊！部長，你看到這個數據，很多從頭到尾都是掛零的，難道您看到這個不會覺得很汗顏嗎？為什麼一個政策會推行到這樣子，幾乎可以說是打零分啦，而且也不是剛開始，如果是剛開始，我還想說好，我讓你們去……"],["鄭部長英耀：感謝委員提醒，我們內部一定會深切來做檢討，也跟委員多請益。"],["羅委員美玲：是的，其實三年前推行的時候，本席就已經在盯著這個部分，三年後再檢討，還是一點成效都沒有，所以教育部一定要檢討。","再來還有一點，我們看到這個名稱是「新住民就讀大學辦法」，難道所有的新住民都有納入這個招生的對象嗎？部長，我想這部分你可能不是很了解。"],["鄭部長英耀：是。"],["羅委員美玲：OK。我們先來看，雖然這個名稱是「新住民就讀大學辦法」，其實並不是所有的新住民都適用，為什麼呢？按照新住民就讀大學辦法第二條，這裡面有提到，它指的是依國籍法第四條第一項第一款到第三款的規定，可能部長要回去看一下國籍法這個法條裡面的規定是什麼，然後依照這個法規，申請歸化的新住民才能夠申請這個方案、才符合這個招生的資格。其實簡單的講，這個方案的招生對象只有婚姻移民。我們也知道現在新住民的定義，我想院長應該很清楚，新住民的定義已經擴大解釋了，入籍臺灣的新住民其實有非常多元的管道，不是只有婚姻移民，部長，你知道嗎？一般的移工未來很可能也成為新住民，部長知道嗎？"],["鄭部長英耀：是，我們現在確實希望有更多的外籍專業人力……"],["卓院長榮泰：資深移工。"],["鄭部長英耀：希望能夠留在臺灣。"],["羅委員美玲：對。"],["鄭部長英耀：所以國發會確實也有許多相對配合的……"],["羅委員美玲：是、沒錯。我們來看一下，像一般的移工，他如果利用留才久用方案，我想這個部長應該很清楚，在臺工作滿6年以上並符合一定之薪資或技術條件者，6年之後他可以升級為中階技術人力，他在中階技術人力這當中的居留期間，全部可以列入合法居留期間之計算，他待了5年之後、他合法居留5年之後，其實他是可以申請歸化、申請永居的。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["羅委員美玲：申請歸化之後，他取得永居，然後申請歸化之後，他其實就是臺灣的新住民。我們現在回來看這個新住民的入學辦法，它只針對婚姻移民，以後這些移工歸化之後，如果他想要申請臺灣的高等教育，他是排除在這個方案之外，因為你們這個方案裡面只針對婚姻移民。說實在的，有很多政策必須隨時再檢視、隨時做滾動式的修正。"],["鄭部長英耀：感謝委員提醒，我想我們會全面檢視哪些法規對我們各式各樣的新住民，他在接受高等教育上，他是不利的，等於說法令怎麼樣與時俱進來鬆綁，我想我們……"],["羅委員美玲：所以你法條裡面也要改啊！那是因為辦法裡面就規定只有婚姻移民才可以，所以這個要修嘛！","再來，我們還規定招訓的對象是歸化之後的新住民，那取得永居可不可以？是不是經過了這麼多年我們應該要做通盤的檢討？這個政策其實失靈了！我們納入的對象是不是要擴大？因為現在所謂的新住民入籍已經是多元管道，不是只有單一的婚姻移民，所以我在想這部分應該要拿出來檢討。我希望經過今天的總質詢之後，教育部全面檢討新住民就讀大學辦法，到底出了什麼問題？我們是不是要把對象擴大？不是只有歸化的婚姻移民，像永居這部分可不可以納入？新住民的定義其實已經擴大解釋，絕對不是只有婚姻移民，我想這部分教育部應該要檢視、應該要檢討；這一題我講到這裡。","另外我要提的就是有關於我國的多元海外攬才計畫。為了推動多元海外攬才計畫，所以我們透過3+4產學合作專班還有新南向專班，招攬海外僑外生到臺灣來就學。當然我們最希望的就是他們學成之後能夠留臺就業，充實臺灣的人才資源。可是我們都知道，不管是3+4或是新南向專班，其實都有許多需要檢討的地方。本席因為時間的關係，所以我想針對華語文加強及實習的內容跟院長、跟部長做一個探討。","我們首先來講語言的部分，我們都知道這些僑外生長期都在國外讀書，也許華語文的程度真的是不到一定的水準，可是現在只要華語文鑑定為A1或A2就可以來臺就讀，而A1跟A2的程度其實只具備日常的基本溝通能力，要到學校去聽一些專業名詞或是專業用語，這些孩子真的是沒有辦法消化！所以我們希望教育部能夠在這些孩子來的第一年，一定要要求大專院校必須在課程上面加強華語文課程，我不曉得部長對這個部分有沒有去留意到？"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告，去年520我進來以後，也確實看到我們產攜專班進來的許多僑外生華語文能力是不夠的，所以包括上課及工廠實習都沒有辦法做有效能的學習。"],["羅委員美玲：是。"],["鄭部長英耀：所以從進來要怎麼樣增強華語文，各校在技高的部分、普高的部分，到要升上技專校院，至少必須要有B1的程度，這個部分我們一定會加強。","另外也跟委員報告……"],["羅委員美玲：對，這部分一定要加強，不然孩子在課堂上根本聽不懂老師在講什麼。"],["鄭部長英耀：我進來以後，在這下半年我們跟僑委會開始建立一個機制；也就是說，僑委會在積極為產業尋求未來可能的潛在人才來到臺灣就讀的同時，我們希望僑委會所找的這些年輕學子……教育部和僑委會建立了次長級以上的跨部會合作平台，我們逐一檢視這些學生到哪些學校是qualified，能夠真正培養人才、能夠為產業所用，而不是來這邊變相打工。針對這個部分我們有許多定期、不定期的抽檢，未來我們也希望來自海外的年輕朋友來到臺灣，他們的生命能夠在臺灣轉彎，因為他們接受了一個好的教育，可能也能夠留在臺灣的產業裡面，真正有一個工作的機會，也希望他們能夠在臺灣的個人生涯上有更好的發展，我想這個部分我們是積極地在努力。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員，委員剛剛提的我們會檢討。"],["羅委員美玲：部長，剛剛所提到的，因為時間的關係，就只有語言的部分，其實還有一些課程、實習的部分，未來我還要跟教育部探討，我希望大家一起來努力。以上，謝謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：好，謝謝委員。"],["鄭部長英耀：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝羅美玲委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長、教育部長備詢，謝謝。","接下來請本日口頭質詢最後一位委員黃捷委員，請質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":180,"meet_id":"院會-11-4-8","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","吳宗憲","賴瑞隆","顏寬恒","林楚茵","賴士葆","黃捷","何欣純","陳亭妃","丁學忠","劉建國","莊瑞雄","李柏毅","林德福","葛如鈞","賴惠員","黃珊珊","林楚茵","呂玉玲","麥玉珍","鄭正鈐","王鴻薇","郭昱晴","吳思瑤","陳俊宇","羅美玲","范雲","李坤城","張雅琳"],"page_start":85,"meetingDate":["2025-11-11"],"gazette_id":"1149101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1149101_00004","1149101_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期第8次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1149101_00005"}}}