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所以我們到現在還協商"},{"start":2646.386,"end":2670.205,"text":"難道大家都要直播了?大人白癡嗎?千萬別吃塑膠嗎?不要再搞這一套了我們今天齁從一開始齁都是誠心協商韓院長協商兩次,今天第三次只是這些都是誠心協商可以搞得這樣天翻地覆齁?這也天災啦,我講不定,我們天災啦真正的戲目現在才拉開來總之下禮拜"},{"start":2673.507,"end":2685.972,"text":"召會去選三月四號委員會開始各黨政策一上環全部登場那才是實有料的東西啦那今天我也要說什麼話民主金融網路大廈這議事規則等一下請周恩來給你說明一下這話題其實"},{"start":2689.053,"end":2716.98,"text":"江湖朝廷一個月嘛,你那時候在演笑,在演四點半的時候早知道要來開會,白演的,這樣不好因為我們當天你提案以後,你當天要提一個案,院長先無了我們提案要請韓院長今天來協商,有關於二十三號專案報告的事情所以我今天,我要跟你還是要講這個事情都為大家存勇氣,不然再查這個沒意思了嘛,是不是這樣"},{"start":2721.957,"end":2747.274,"text":"我剛才黃光昌講說明天到等一下等一下我講把他講完我還有一個我也聽不到明天是要增加還是合併我聽不懂你的意思明天只有一個東西就是就食安專案報告沒有兩個東西再一次要總之你要食安報告難道你們一場這個議程也沒有辦法這麼處理好不好"},{"start":2753.571,"end":2773.65,"text":"因為他先舉手,我們請施耀蘇幹事長您先稍待一下謝謝院長,我想我們希望快速的來就大家都已經有共識的話聽起來就明天進行食安專報但因為真的是這次公開直播也會做成紀錄就三點部分還是非常非常簡要的來說明"},{"start":2775.251,"end":2795.505,"text":"第一,因為剛剛有民眾黨團的總召．嚴閉稱說由國民黨跟民眾黨所提案的食安專報要安排對不起,其實我們也有提案那天在院會也有提案所以今天對,所以今天現在在討論的我們那天在院會只有提案就民進黨希望在週五"},{"start":2795.725,"end":2797.606,"text":"主題是食安專報的其實是民主進步黨所以這個東西在議事記錄上我想謝謝議事人員也在提醒我們這件事情那第二個事情剛剛柯總召已經說明過了依照議事規則"},{"start":2814.611,"end":2817.875,"text":"一般提案經討論事項、列案之後：進覆二讀、朝野協商再來就是一個月的冷凍期這是我們立法院的議事規則的ABC其實我們也很好奇"},{"start":2830.231,"end":2836.777,"text":"第一個有黨編對於議事規則顯然是不是太熟悉但沒有關係可以補強多讀一點書是沒有問題的但是我們也在這個當中也不太理解因為同時有看到民眾黨裡頭在前一天的下午一點多鐘我們是在黃珊珊副總召的這個臉書上看到"},{"start":2850.551,"end":2859.551,"text":"是同時黃珊珊副總召所說的是敦請韓院長來主持協商但是在沒多久之後那又收到由這個"},{"start":2861.472,"end":2886.597,"text":"黃國昌總召又臨時前30多分鐘發到各黨團要召開由黃國昌總召民眾黨召集的黨團協商其實這個東西也讓我們造成一個黨團裡面的兩個黃珊珊副總召說要請韓院長來針對食安報告召集協商可是呢黃國昌總召又在30分鐘前4點在告訴我們要協商OK沒關係都過去了"},{"start":2889.298,"end":2903.506,"text":"今天我們坐在這裡只是要把這個事情要講清楚因為我們都是直播負責任的負責任的講話負責任的陳述事實所以說也非常希望院長以後也能夠協助但議事人員也很為難依照議事規則裡頭要召集協商依法規是兩天前來召集協商那除非特別特別急速的"},{"start":2912.171,"end":2912.812,"text":"我非常同意民眾黨的柯文哲"},{"start":2934.191,"end":2955.088,"text":"主席說的簡單的事簡單解決簡單的事就簡單解決我們不希望未來再化簡為凡我們一切按部就班所以因為是協商時間我想這些過程都可以讓它過去我們可以翻下一頁進入下一題那謝謝大家支持民進黨提出來明天召開食安專報的這個提案謝謝"},{"start":2957.17,"end":2958.371,"text":"謝謝院長針對我們在2月20號所提案的內容那天"},{"start":2977.631,"end":2994.612,"text":"在主席臺我老實說啦是有點混亂所以今天下午接見外賓之前其實我有跟秘書長請教我也是我們最近才拿到那一天完整的議事錄那天完整的議事錄的記載是"},{"start":2997.922,"end":3020.128,"text":"當主席宣告請問院會有無意義沒有意義的時候這個時候是由民主進步黨提議交付黨團協商所以在過去這幾天民主進步黨提議交付黨團協商我們說是民進黨拉協商的這句話一句話都沒有說錯那第二個部分"},{"start":3021.779,"end":3049.231,"text":"剛剛柯建民總召說這個禁夫惡毒當然就是要交付黨團協商跟我們看立法院裡面的議事慣例顯然是不符我舉具體的例子好了在109年5月19號的時候進行討論事項第八案的時候也是要求禁夫惡毒而禁夫惡毒沒有拉協商"},{"start":3050.424,"end":3066.116,"text":"然後要求照案通過的這個提案單啊上面簽名的人就是柯建民了上面簽名的人就是柯建民了金服惡毒啊沒有交付黨團協商啊因為沒有人拉協商嘛"},{"start":3067.222,"end":3080.97,"text":"所以馬上就過了啊這個提案單上面簽的大字的三個字啊就是柯建民啊怎麼會說金夫二讀一定要交付黨團協商呢那是因為你們民主進步黨拉協商嘛第二個"},{"start":3082.462,"end":3104.227,"text":"針對那天下午召開黨團協商的過程我再還原以下狀況我們下午兩點多接到立法院議事處的通知通知我們說要由我們來召集協商那由我們來召集協商這件事情我本來也覺得很怪因為如果要協商的話我們是希望請院長"},{"start":3105.588,"end":3110.404,"text":"來召集協商結果搞了半天我才知道原來是民主進步黨黨團提案"},{"start":3113.113,"end":3140.653,"text":"說進夫二讀交由黨團協商由提案委員所屬黨團負責召集協商請問我們召集協商的白紙黑字寫的就是民主進步黨黨團要求我們召集協商啊所以我們兩點多接到議事同仁的通知的時候我們兩點多接到議事同仁的通知的時候白紙黑字寫的很清楚啦由民主進步黨黨團要求我們召集協商我那時候很困惑"},{"start":3141.494,"end":3158.565,"text":"我說是不是在打個電話給議事處請教一下議事同仁確定是要由我們召集協商我們不是希望院長主持協商嗎他們說因為提案的民主進步黨黨團提案的內容是要我們召集協商我們希望的是禮拜二"},{"start":3159.537,"end":3185.547,"text":"要加開院會那是我們當初提案的內容所以禮拜一下午我們接到議事處的通知我急忙請著黨團的同仁那就趕快按照民主進步黨黨團的意思我們來發什麼協商通知那我們希望什麼希望21號的時候能夠加開院會那我們總不可能等到21號甚至22號的時候才召集協商嘛"},{"start":3186.127,"end":3202.416,"text":"所以我們那一天協商通知發出去的時間是下午三點二十四分三點二十四分然後請兩大黨的黨團四點半的時候來協商我知道時間比較趕非常的抱歉但那不是"},{"start":3203.476,"end":3228.315,"text":"那不是我們希望這樣做我們是在那個客觀的情勢下面如果那個時候不召集協商的話那我們本來希望21號加開院會的這件事情就沒有辦法能夠順利的成立我想把事實還原清楚本與事實討論本與事實討論是一個非常重要的基本態度"},{"start":3229.997,"end":3232.639,"text":"韓委員包括民眾黨三位仔細聽一下我也希望說包括另外一位書記長幹事長民眾主席聽"},{"start":3255.205,"end":3272.312,"text":"藝環的意識規則是鐵打鐵的黃國昌在你們在出現很多事情都不知道意識規則你們應該晚言相欠這是我比較忠心的、誠實的說法藝環意識規則很清楚等下你問錯話來"},{"start":3274.918,"end":3300.334,"text":"進入二讀一定是...一定是...我不會...我不會讓...進入二讀我不會講說交付潮行立法院本來就馬上...意思是...馬上要先讀就是已經要交付潮行協商只是我...我那天為什麼要提這個啊我怕...我怕秘書長那邊齁...好舒服喔我不會講也一定是這樣的等一下問...問清楚好不好"},{"start":3301.69,"end":3319.837,"text":"進入二讀,然後不會寫上,進入二讀好啊,進入二讀接著怎麼辦?一定是張超、蕊香一隔夜,這個是鐵打鐵的,我是怕說他們輸了,所以把它放上去,我不放也是如此啦,這個昨晚寫的書上面也有過去歷史規定,都是如此。"},{"start":3321.034,"end":3347.93,"text":"因為你們離開一晚久,可能當初你的意思規格都不是很清楚,這是第一點也不是說我把他拉下來協商,你遵照我的意旨,趕快來協商你不要跟我講這種話,你在休息跟休眠覺不然下禮拜三你演不下去了嘛,我一直講說演不下去不要再演了這是第一點第二點我要講就是說"},{"start":3350.134,"end":3368.051,"text":"立法院的議事規則提案委員要進入二讀然後加入朝鮮學商一定是主席才是的這是主席才是不是我要求的主席一定才是由提案委員的黨團來主持協商這也是立法院的議事規則不是我要求叫你協商的"},{"start":3369.011,"end":3396.654,"text":"我沒辦法,我告訴你立場我叫學長立場不來這是立法院議事規則所以你們要清楚,要講清楚所以不要,到現在還在拗,我們沒有議事去,我們要背什麼客觀形式,你的客觀形式是說你不再演下去的話明天有禮拜三,你的戲演不下去了啊所以趕快,只能弄一個坐在那裡底下,因為何孟愷比較慈悲一點,所以跑來我們做因為我要"},{"start":3397.515,"end":3415.248,"text":"大家都很清楚這種朝野協商絕對不會有人來因為我們已經發一個今天要了要協商了洪文凱當然是南白河執政副公局也不敢來人家說到底漏氣就算了就去漏氣就是演這種戲而已我是覺得很奇怪"},{"start":3416.505,"end":3423.691,"text":"今天這個東西還在編嗎?我就想請你們要吃飯你們應該讀藝術會比較好啦藝術會先搞清楚再編嘛大家說小學畢業不理嗎?不可能嘛"},{"start":3443.171,"end":3443.251,"text":"主席"},{"start":3465.652,"end":3492.558,"text":"主席的才事那後來我們才接到一次處的通知還有一個原來前面還有一個是要我們來召集協商所以兩件事情都是在院長當天的才事的範圍之內所以並不是民眾黨有做兩次不同的決定也不是我們內部有什麼問題而是我們按照主席的才事做了相關的程序但是我覺得這個部分不容混淆啦把它說清楚就好"},{"start":3499.961,"end":3514.272,"text":"謝謝市長幹事長謝謝我覺得如果能夠就是論事把這個道理釐清多花一點時間在這裡大家來交換意見我也樂見因為我們就是希望讓事實講清楚因為議事規則跟這整個事件的來龍去脈不應當要有主觀的判定而應當回到客觀客觀的事實就是依內規依議事規則"},{"start":3526.641,"end":3551.065,"text":"一當天主席所宣誓所宣讀的事項所以剛剛民眾黨的黃國昌總召一直在說他那天是經議事處提醒然後議事處責成要求民眾黨召開協商你們才知道然後才迫不得已趕快來這個史上最速見的協商的安排其實如果說對議事規則不懂沒有關係我們來補強"},{"start":3557.19,"end":3572.24,"text":"來補課這個我都已經講了但是呢當天早上我手上拿的就是我們的議事記錄了就是當天在民眾黨提出要用加開院會的方式處理食安專報之後這個提案之後"},{"start":3573.601,"end":3600.379,"text":"這個當天的速記主席很清楚就是我們韓院長就已經說針對民眾黨這個提案我們做以下之決議交付黨團協商並由台灣民眾黨黨團負責召集協商當天這是主席現場的宣告所以如果議事規則事前不了解沒有關係沒有人100分回去複習就好但是至少當天來開會耳朵也要帶來"},{"start":3603.541,"end":3616.292,"text":"當天主席韓院長就在臺上清楚的宣告民眾黨的這個加開院會的議案做以下之決議交付黨團協商並由台灣民眾黨黨團負責協商這是當天的宣告所以絕對"},{"start":3623.258,"end":3631.304,"text":"議事處的同仁是很辛苦的他們居然主席這麼清楚的宣告民眾黨都怎麼時間都要到了還沒有來發協商通知呢議事處下午兩點打電話提醒民眾黨團是基於他的提醒他的職責結果他的提醒就變成讓我們的在野黨民眾黨拿來甩鍋給議事處我覺得這樣對於我們奉公守法又這麼有議事經驗豐富的議事人員真的是很無奈也不要這樣為難人家"},{"start":3653.499,"end":3663.688,"text":"當天這是院長的宣誓就是我一定要這樣子來說明不是你們事後才知道要召集院長當天就宣告對不起喔院長還有一件事情喔"},{"start":3664.876,"end":3693.715,"text":"我手上帶來的都是我們在場這個號稱台灣立法院活字典的周萬來秘書長歷年的專書歷年的專書針對議事規則進赴二讀之議案需交付黨團協商並由提案委員所屬黨團或提案黨團負責召集協商也就是剛剛韓院長宣告的非常清楚韓院長完全依照議事規則我隨便拿一本就好"},{"start":3694.635,"end":3718.026,"text":"這裡還有第二本也是一樣 周萬蘭秘書長寫的都是如同Bible一樣的進赴二獨支提案去交付黨團協商由提案委員所屬黨團或提案黨團負責召集協商這個我可以送給你們沒有關係所以說呢 我要再講今天早上 立法院議事處同仁非常用心今天早上針對各黨團的心境"},{"start":3721.472,"end":3747.735,"text":"國會助理召開了訓練營召開了議事研習營在今天早上的議事研習營也有一堂課也是由我們議事處的周萬來處長對不起是我們議事處處長來主講今天早上給各黨團的幕僚跟新進國會助理的課當中的議事規則裡頭就很清楚把它列為今天的"},{"start":3748.669,"end":3765.001,"text":"教學內容我再唸一次進覆二讀之提案需交付黨團協商提案委員所屬黨團或提案黨團負責召集協商就是今天早上給所有的新進國會助理同仁上的課希望民眾黨的同仁有去上課"},{"start":3766.454,"end":3793.837,"text":"所以從過去到今天就是剛剛柯建民總召一直在說的議事規範是鐵打鐵的事實沒有主觀認定的空間就是一個非常清楚的鐵打鐵的事實所以我們還原真相很好今天在這裡講完我很希望下一頁下一題明天很順利的讓食安專報可以上路黃委員、黃總召我一直在跟你講話可以看著我的眼睛嗎"},{"start":3795.489,"end":3812.287,"text":"好嗎?我們就讓明天可以順利。謝謝你的微笑,雖然他不是很開心的微笑,但我是非常打從心裡誠摯的對你微笑。我們彼此尊重,按部就班。你們柯P主席說得很好,簡單的事簡單解決。我們就下一題吧,謝謝。"},{"start":3817.797,"end":3833.493,"text":"國民黨洪孟楷書記長發言第一次發言謝謝院長我只有一分鐘的時間我只講一分鐘的話是要開創新局還是回顧歷史草野協商自然感謝院長播出時間是我們的這個開會通知單民進黨黨團、國民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團分別都有提議"},{"start":3838.718,"end":3856.59,"text":"重點在於是要不要讓民進黨政府來面對國人八年執政下的食安問題總檢討如果說只是想要回顧歷史的話我想大家就是要比文字遊戲、比演講比賽各自政黨都在黨團開的記者會就不要搬來這邊來講"},{"start":3858.862,"end":3882.835,"text":"那我真的希望主席做個明快才是我只有兩點建議第一明天就召開食安專報第二我希望因為現在已經快要五點鐘了所以說我們各黨團的這個質詢名單因為是上一次講到國民黨黨團七位、民進黨團七位、民眾黨團一位這個名單容許我們可以明天早上八點半前提出讓"},{"start":3884.136,"end":3885.277,"text":"國常總召時間短請發言稍微麻煩一下好不好"},{"start":3902.472,"end":3917.669,"text":"我非常贊成啦我們討論事情要基於事實嘛前面我們2月12提案議事會提的提案交付朝野協商的民進黨黨團提案這麼大的字就寫在這裡這是第一點"},{"start":3919.79,"end":3932.365,"text":"第二點說進夫惡毒一定要交付朝野協商好來來來看一下民主進夫黨黨團交付進夫惡毒遭案通過沒有拉朝野協商欸"},{"start":3933.544,"end":3934.444,"text":"謝謝國長總長柯總長第四次發言都說了就做啦齁"},{"start":3962.406,"end":3982.625,"text":"那等下那個律師長也把說明清楚黃國昌現在挑戰曾經有個案例是吧就是教授曹偉強然後就通過專案通過那個是在曹偉各黨都有公視底下完成的你不要笑你等下要變哭了"},{"start":3986.869,"end":4013.803,"text":"我們這個沒有共識 我們有提案欸我們提到另一個案子嘛我們是同時在主議台上欸第二個 通常這種情形是怎麼處理 也有一種情形處理就是說交入朝野鄉 大家馬上停下來過去王金平院長時代 包括蘇貞淺院長時代也都發生過 以前都是如此所有黨變人都知道 馬上停下來然後大家協商簽一簽 馬上再讀就是這樣 要有共識底下"},{"start":4015.56,"end":4043.549,"text":"沒有的話一定是這樣嘛 一定是加入草野鄉一個月這個是等下問周恩來去解釋一下而且由提案委員來召集草野鄉這是議事規則啦我沒有這麼偉大說這樣去召集草野鄉的協商 好我想這個案子啊實案專案報告經過各黨團充分討論呃 容我嘗試性做以下的結論宣讀給各位黨團來聽好不好"},{"start":4045.615,"end":4061.867,"text":"那麼決定事項各黨團同意2月23號星期五邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席提出有關民進黨政府執政八年台灣食安問題總檢討專案報告並備質詢質詢人數由國民黨黨團推派7位"},{"start":4072.557,"end":4101.208,"text":"民進黨黨團推派七位台灣民眾黨黨團推派一位進行每位委員尋答時間15分鐘質詢依序依例授權議事處辦理那於名單於2月23號上星期五上午8點30分前送交議事處會診"},{"start":4103.018,"end":4104.42,"text":"欲時適同放棄"},{"start":4120.367,"end":4121.428,"text":"你不是議長 我跟韓國瑜說的跟你沒關係 年輕人也這樣"},{"start":4146.605,"end":4147.886,"text":"吳思耀委員剛也拍手了"},{"start":4171.52,"end":4184.747,"text":"因為我們剛剛太快,印了沒有?印了沒有?先讓我先唸一下,沒關係印了沒有?這個食安問題都已經OK了?對,我們現在針列了,針列在?我們沒看到針列嗎?針列在哪裡?他還沒有拿到文字才?"},{"start":4197.574,"end":4204.857,"text":"各位黨團幹部請大家稍微再耐心、忍耐我們繼續處理民進黨黨團所提的針裂一項請民進黨黨團柯總召請說明"},{"start":4212.214,"end":4225.308,"text":"好再說明大家比較印象深刻一點而且我相信這個是大家共同想法因為過去不管怎麼樣新的立法院應該要大家就都來遵守遊戲規則比如說"},{"start":4228.328,"end":4241.079,"text":"若去立法院我跟你們講海運長我們同事們那時候只用達哥大當武器 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每次都拿出來說你如果你的事要說所以說像今天突然 對不對今天 哇 這個先生們我們當然可以配合國會本來就是有尊嚴的地方但是過去大家幾十年走來你們在有在有的苦處大家也都能夠認同那今天我覺得要制度化 好我們願意"},{"start":4592.967,"end":4610.712,"text":"但是要走邊走邊不要到時候又來再玩這種遊戲所以我們在這裡興建啦很真的 我是很喜悅的心情啦柯總長我兩個眼睛看著你 看到沒有"},{"start":4611.741,"end":4640.676,"text":"我是很喜悅的時間看著你像一尊佛祖一樣I'm watching you OK現在我覺得真的是柯總召現在真的越來越像佛像所以不斷地強調大家要按照國會禮儀來進行我也希望每次看到柯總召的時候都帶著微笑每天都有國會禮儀我想這樣大家在立法院都能夠相見歡我們也很願意 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比方說每年每個助理多少錢然後再加上立法委員的這些車馬費什麼的加起來他們都會喜歡用一種表述的方式說你們這間辦公室我們國家花了多少錢給你們"},{"start":2563.838,"end":2564.499,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":2584.281,"end":2611.921,"text":"我這個是比較特殊的說法啦像我們立法院過去每個會期呢也都會計算說我們有通過多少議案那會去比較說這個會期通過的比上個會期多或是這個會期比哪個會期通過的少那這一屆總共通過的案子多或少其實數量的多寡跟它真正產生的效力"},{"start":2613.686,"end":2615.327,"text":"一種不同的觀察方法"},{"start":2635.171,"end":2661.733,"text":"老闆的目的只是希望說他的政治理念能夠延續重點是經過你的幫忙他在下一屆的選舉能夠得到選區的選民一樣的喜歡他讓他能夠繼續在國會裡面施展他的政治理念所以我有一天想說為什麼這個法案通過的數量大家那麼在意我以前有覺得說我們國會是負責監督政府施政"},{"start":2663.426,"end":2689.971,"text":"萬一有一些法案的內容雖然是很好可是他在時間點上不一定就要立刻先這樣子如果立刻先這樣子反而會不好所以有一些委員就會反對別人的法律案的內容或是反對政府機關所提的內容那因為這些委員的反對這個案子沒有通過那沒有通過的話是不是將來通過的數目沒有這個案子是因為被反對不通過請問"},{"start":2692.706,"end":2705.304,"text":"這個沒有通過的案子是不是代表委員們沒有用心是這樣子嗎所以有時候我認為不通過不通過其實也是一種態度"},{"start":2708.188,"end":2722.644,"text":"不通過的數量越多反而好像是他認為這些案子都還不夠成熟如果你用不通過來去看他的績效那可能績效會更是另外一種思考的方式"},{"start":2725.054,"end":2747.615,"text":"那再來就是由於我們立法院是合一致所以老百姓隨時都會希望我們這個立法院能夠符合老百姓的期待所以往往有很多媒體他會進駐到我們立法院去觀察委員的一個整個運作的狀態然後他們會站在媒體輿論的立場也會有所評論"},{"start":2749.637,"end":2770.2,"text":"那事實上你們在做助理工作的時候對於這個媒體的評論你們站在個別委員的立場你們會去善加說明的而不是說媒體認為怎麼樣你們就必須要配合怎麼樣應該有很多事情是必須要講清楚的"},{"start":2773.836,"end":2788.716,"text":"媒體的生態,包括我們在看媒體的這些選民也好,一般的老百姓也好,他們是不是真的就能夠了解你們委員真正的立場,這個就是一個溝通的部分,溝通做得好。"},{"start":2789.625,"end":2804.643,"text":"你的理念能夠去發揚甚至能夠找到跟你志同道合的人這個就是你為了你們的委員將來能不能續任能夠在這短短的幾年去展現他的一個職能"},{"start":2805.484,"end":2826.496,"text":"不管他是贊成某種法案或是他反對某種法案都應該要講清楚其實贊成跟反對是一體的兩面都是委員職權的一個立場然後最後合一去完成這個都是國會的績效而不能說國會沒有通過多少案"},{"start":2827.455,"end":2854.943,"text":"那他就是績效不好當然這也是一種說法可是我覺得國會的監督我們過去看如果說他一直在阻擋某一些案子導致他那個案子就很不容易去通過那到底回過頭來也是那一屆的總體的立法委員的一種想法那這個立法委員的想法往往也不是由個別立法委員單一去表現我們可以發現"},{"start":2856.463,"end":2876.921,"text":"不分區的立法委員是透過政黨比例出現的那我們每個委員辦公室的助理 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其實我們都是幕僚的機構 黨團助理 專業的幕僚機構還有一般資源的 就是從電腦設備 電燈 公報 總務處的警衛 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外國元首來到立法院他大概要坐在哪裡像是坐在行政院院長的那個位置因為他是國賓嘛那有人就會問說國情報告要坐在哪裡"},{"start":8031.857,"end":8048.924,"text":"你覺得總統來要坐在行政院長那個位置嗎那是行政院長在坐的給他坐會會台那個因為他是提名總統的所以這樣子我就簡略的把這個就有上完了那你們就可以去看阿有什麼問題的話齁"},{"start":8050.902,"end":8079.67,"text":"我覺得有一個電話是5105吧就是我們議事處有一位有位小姐叫做柯乃緯小姐有些送案的時候齁該送案啊人數怎麼樣啊齁那那個表單在咋樣就問一下乃緯5105問他那他如果說這個東西看要問我們議事處哪一位承辦同仁你再打過去那這個都是時間點的問題你要注意跟他保持"},{"start":8082.131,"end":8105.146,"text":"聯繫才能夠讓你的工作能夠更順利那你如果說什麼要法制用字用語阿或是一些法律條文怎麼吵你當然那是法治局的問題那還有預算中心有些程序面的我們該怎麼弄告訴你時間點要記得什麼時候要送過來喔不然你的時間會延宕喔這個就要注意那我以上就報告到這裡囉謝謝大家喔OK 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計或以前年度稅計剩餘撥補資那就是如果你賺錢不夠花的話"},{"start":9506.109,"end":9527.623,"text":"就只能去借款或用以前的儲蓄來支應所以政府的預算概念其實跟個人理財你可以用個人理財觀念來去想可能會就比較容易入門了那我們以113度總預算為例的話它稅入是兩兆七千零九十二億那稅出是兩兆八千八百一十八億所以它差短了1726億"},{"start":9530.51,"end":9536.571,"text":"再加上債務還本1150億元還需要融資2876億元融資2876億元以用以前年度稅計剩餘1155億元還有舉債1721億元所以特別要注意的就是說稅入稅出差短再加上債務還本才會等於融資需求"},{"start":9556.633,"end":9584.535,"text":"那如果他債務還本越多的話,他融資需求是不是就越多所以有些,如果他的年度的預算編列是短促的話有時候常常看,我也有提案說那我們債務還本要多一點啦,我們債務那麼多我們債務還本要多一點可是如果稅入稅出是短促的話,你債務還本越多其實你就是舉債越多而已嘛所以說"},{"start":9585.575,"end":9596.634,"text":"我們其實預算赤字跟債務其實也是一體兩面的啦那債務就是赤字的長期累積啦那如果稅入稅出差短的話你要求請證"},{"start":9597.972,"end":9623.666,"text":"因為你再多的債還本也只是舉薪債來還舊債只有稅計剩餘的情況下債務還本才是實質的還債以個人的理財來看就是你賺的錢都不夠花哪來的錢可以還台語不是有句話說親家若無家那有唐爬瓜所以對於政府財政關注的重點我們可能不只在他債務上面我們更重要的是說他稅入稅出是剩餘還是短處的"},{"start":9630.424,"end":9654.082,"text":"那以預算成績來看的話是依序可分為總預算、單位預算、單位預算的分預算那單位預算是組織以單獨立法設置者為限但是要注意的時候不表示說有單獨的組織法它就是單位預算它還要考量這個機關它的行政成績還有它的首長執政的高低、預算金額大小以及員額多寡這些因素"},{"start":9655.046,"end":9672.555,"text":"那單位預算他的費預算呢就是應該是以編列機關或單位他有主辦會計啊業務主管啊以及總務主管啊譬如說採購啊出納這些違憲但不一定說需要完全具備形成機關如依法設置啊獨立編制啊兌換行為這些要件"},{"start":9673.837,"end":9698.692,"text":"那我們看這個這個圖的話就是一級機關就五院嘛那二級機關就各部會啦那三級機關我們以內政部為例的話他就研建署啊警政署啊消防署啊那他都有他自己的組織法那警政署的話他下面有騎士警察局啊鐵路警察局啊那他是組織單層他是內部單位分工所以他是內在單位預算的分預算"},{"start":9702.697,"end":9723.266,"text":"那附屬單位預算及分預算我們看這個圖例如說行政院下面有各部會那我們財政部為例的話財政部下面有臺銀金控、臺銀土地銀行、財政印刷廠、菸酒公司這些臺銀金控下面有一些分預算例如說臺灣銀行、臺銀人壽、臺銀綜合證券因為它規模比較小所以要列為分預算"},{"start":9731.872,"end":9747.477,"text":"那什麼是附屬單位預算呢?預算法第19條規定說特種基金應以稅入稅出之一部編入總預算我們看這個圖就看到附屬單位預算是部分稅入稅出編入總預算"},{"start":9749.983,"end":9777.354,"text":"所以它是復屬單位預算,其實這句話,預算法這句話其實並不是那麼容易了解的就是什麼叫稅入稅出,已不變入總預算,期預算均為復屬單位預算那我們以例子來說明的話說政府對於一些特種基金它的地位好像就投資者的角色所謂政府以投資者的立場增加或收回對特種基金的投資或者說特種基金它賺的錢它將獲利分配給普通基金"},{"start":9778.749,"end":9779.577,"text":"那這些"},{"start":9780.598,"end":9780.738,"text":"臺電公司"},{"start":9811.538,"end":9838.204,"text":"那中央銀行每年都賺很多他110年營餘繳庫大概1750億那112年度又繳了1800億113年度又繳了2000億所以我們都稱中央銀行叫繳庫王營餘繳庫的部分他就會編列在稅務的營業基金營餘繳庫所以台電跟中央銀行的總收支他不會編列在總預算他只有普通基金"},{"start":9839.364,"end":9863.21,"text":"撥款填補它的虧出就是經濟部然後增資然後填補台內的虧出這部分或者說將盈餘繳酷給普通基金也就是說中央銀行它繳酷的這部分才會編列到總預算所以它只有稅率稅出一部編入總預算因此它是附屬單位預算也因為說特種基金它是具有專款專用的性質它是一個獨立的財務跟會計個體"},{"start":9865.188,"end":9886.134,"text":"所以他的預算跟財務管理就要跟普通基金區來明確他的財務責任那中央政府總預算及其他送審案也就是說你8月底到9月初你會拿到什麼樣的預算書那預算法第46條中央政府"},{"start":9887.232,"end":9912.75,"text":"總預算案與附屬單位預算及其重計表那經行政院會議決定交由中央主計機關會編由行政院與會計連絡開始4個月前提出立法院審議並附送施政計劃所以呢各位如果在8月底跟9月初呢拿到預算書呢有大概就中央政府送來的總預算案有中央政府總預算案稅錄來源別"},{"start":9914.761,"end":9942.36,"text":"最初正式筆預算表參考表還有總說明及主要副表大概有五大冊其中一冊是國防外交的機密可能是拿不到所以一開始可能會主席總書會送來這個五大冊那另外就是各單位的預算案書然後各附屬單位預算案書包括信託基金以及說收入來自政府50%以上的行政法人還有政府捐助的財產法人這些預算書那其中要注意的是說這些"},{"start":9944.682,"end":9970.451,"text":"行政法人以及財團法人並沒有納入總預算,所以他是個別審議的所以他不需要連同總預算案同時完成三讀那另外按議事先例,委員會審查法案時需事全案審查完均後,使得提報院會討論因此總預算案原則上是不得分割審議的也就是說你個別部會不得自己拿去二讀三讀"},{"start":9972.128,"end":9998.614,"text":"那附屬單位預算呢﹖雖然是隨從總預算案一併送審但因為他有他自己的綜計表﹖所以他是不需要連同公務預算連同完成三讀的那其實90年度以前附屬單位他非營業部分是跟公務預算一起進行審議那89年12月總預算協商還是決議將非營業研製跟營業基金一同一同一會期審議所以目前職務上是"},{"start":10001.238,"end":10021.23,"text":"公務預算大概會先占讀然後消費期大概營業跟非營業會同時審議還有會並作成審查報告那也是因為說會先行審議公務預算那涉及附屬單位預算的部分大概涉及到就會先站列然後等附屬單位預算他審議確定後再議案調整下一位"},{"start":10028.686,"end":10037.013,"text":"113年度中央政府總預算、信託基金、行政法人、財團法人數有25個主管機關有238個單位預算以及297個分預算104個非營業基金、131個分基金、15個營業基金及"},{"start":10047.914,"end":10052.097,"text":"信託基金的送審信託基金是政府以受託人身份管理與運用受託財產"},{"start":10076.633,"end":10097.362,"text":"他信託基金他基金財產的所有權不是屬於政府的那立法院為了加強對信託基金的監督呢他是透過預算檢查決議的方式要求中央政府各機關他主管的信託基金呢要將預算書送來那92年度就有決議說要求含送基金規模30億元以上信託基金"},{"start":10098.134,"end":10113.05,"text":"那97年決議又更嚴了,就10億元以上的信託基金就要送來那99年度決議說,不管基金規模大小,統統都要送來所以從100年度開始,信託基金都會將預算書送立法院那113年度做到政府總預算案"},{"start":10120.339,"end":10137.669,"text":"所附列的信託基金有17個 其中主要大概就是 農業部主管的農民退休基金 還有勞動部主管的勞工退休基金還有金管會主管的保險業務發展基金 考試院選區部主管的公務人員退補基金 這些就屬於信託基金"},{"start":10139.875,"end":10167.269,"text":"那行政法人送繩,依據行政法人法第35條規定政府合撥的經費,超過行政法人當年度預算收入來源50%就應該由監督機關將其年度預算書送立法院審議目前行政法人有11家,包括文化部的國家表演藝術中心、國防部的國家中山科學研究院、國科會的國家災害防救科技中心"},{"start":10168.943,"end":10196.543,"text":"政府捐助財團法人的送審那97年5月14號他是徵定了預算法第41條第4項政府捐助基金累計超過50%的財團法人及日本撤退台灣接收其所遺留財產而成立的財團法人每年應由各該主管機關將其年度預算書送立法院審議"},{"start":10198.414,"end":10222.141,"text":"其實以前政府捐助財團法人的預算書是不用送本院審議人因為我們預算中心在93年度有提出評估意見認為說政府出資50%以上的財團法人的預算書沒有送本院審議人所以沒有辦法有效監督因為其實各部會常常基於各種原因平移形式"},{"start":10223.37,"end":10251.549,"text":"他以設置財團法人方式來執行說本來就是各部會應該要做的事的而且大部分的財團法人他主要收入其實都是依賴政府每年編列預算去補助他或者是說編個委辦計畫去資助財團法人但是因為財團法人在民法來講他性質屬於司法人所以他的預算書不用送立法院來頓入司法來規避預算法的監督所以本院委員在97年他就提案修正了預算法第41條增訂條文"},{"start":10253.65,"end":10280.62,"text":"徵定第四條文,就是要這些裁判法人要將預算書送來本院雖然97年他修法之後,要求預算書送來審議可是很多交他捐助的裁判法人,譬如說他捐助的裁判法人再去捐助另外一家或是說我用非營業特種基金,或者國營私藝,或者一些公私合營我有控制權公私合營去捐助甚至說他拿那些裁判法人他的累積攝取又是他賺的錢的"},{"start":10282.231,"end":10298.584,"text":"轉基金,稀釋政府捐助比率低於50%,規避不用送本院審議本中心也持續提出評估意見財團法人法第2條規定,將不同捐助的太陽合計超過該財團法人進行總額50%,也列入屬於政府捐助財團法人範疇"},{"start":10305.666,"end":10326.512,"text":"另外政府捐助財產法人法其實那時候吵得比較嚴重的也是領傷心的問題因為在還沒有修法之前公務人員退休後他就直接轉任政府捐助財產法人那一方面他領月退那一方面他又領財產法人薪水"},{"start":10327.532,"end":10350.252,"text":"但是就如剛剛講的財團法人其實很多時候都來自政府那他的人事權其實也都控制在政府手上所以廣義來講他應該屬於政府體系的一環所以你領月退之後又領財團法人薪水又不公平而且那時候很多財團法人他的薪水他的董事長、院長、執行人的薪水很高甚至比部長18萬還高還比院長還高"},{"start":10353.637,"end":10382.51,"text":"所以我們也在9494年度也是提出退休均值公務人員轉任政府捐助50%以上裁判法人應該停止領取月退休金因為那時候還有18%所以18%優惠存款利息所以行政院也1999年8月也修正公布了公務人員退休法然後從100年1月1號開始實施也是說沒有領酸性的問題存在了下一頁"},{"start":10387.704,"end":10399.668,"text":"預算的執行年度原則上是以一年為期,由1月1號到12月31號但是它開始於籌編而結束於決算的預算週期是遠遠超過一年,我們看這個圖"},{"start":10401.294,"end":10405.699,"text":"一般而言,預算週期可分為預算編制、審議、執行跟決算這四個階段我們以112年度的預算為例,111年1月到4月"},{"start":10415.478,"end":10441.457,"text":"行政院將延提全國總資源供需初步估測這些資料﹖還有施政範證﹖及預算籌編原則的擬定那4月到8月就蓋算泥濱、核電及核定、匯編那110年8月底他就會將預算案提中本院那立法院審議完畢後 112年法定預算就開始執行那到112年底一個"},{"start":10442.489,"end":10470.007,"text":"年度的預算執行之後就進入113年度的決算年度那依照規定行政院需於快進年度結束後4個月內也就是說113年4月30他就要提出總決算於監察院那審計展與中央政府總決算送達後3個月完成及審核也就是說113年7月審計部就要編造最終審定數額表並提出審核報告於本院這樣才算完成一個"},{"start":10471.008,"end":10499.068,"text":"預算週期,所以預算週期他其實很跨了,以112年度預算週期為例他很跨110跟112跟113這三個年度那這個流程圖是中央政府總預算案籌編過程中比較重要的一些作業他一到二月就剛剛講說嚴提全國總資源供需初步估計這些資料,那一到五月呢他就訂定施政計畫原則還有一上述籌劃"},{"start":10500.669,"end":10529.797,"text":"及泥邊概算那5月呢他會在中程稅出概算額度範圍內編妥概算那5到8月呢就審核及核定概算並泥邊預算案那7到8月呢就會編行政院零度施政計畫及總預算案那8月底呢就送本院來審議那其中呢中程稅出概算額度範圍內編妥概算案他是參考美國政府績效與成果法他91年度就全面推行"},{"start":10530.649,"end":10557.458,"text":"那在中層計畫預算制度下,行政院一次就會核定各機關單位他四年期的概算額度比如說113年度總預算案的話,112年5月,行政院就會核定各主管機關113年到116年度這四年的中層稅出概算額度那這樣各機關也可以提醒掌握說他這四年度他可以分配的預算資源,可以預為規劃以後年度的各項實證計畫"},{"start":10562.332,"end":10590.391,"text":"那預算法第51條規定總預算案應於會計年度開始一個月前由立法院議決也就是說11月底其實立法院應該就審議完總預算案的並於會計年度開始15日前由總統公佈至也就是12月16號但是這14年來中央政府總預算案都沒有在法定期限議決公佈而且102年度的附屬單位預算也沒有完成審議了那我們看這個表"},{"start":10591.434,"end":10615.264,"text":"其實100年到113年度總預算公務預算部分三讀大概都在1月間也就是說大概在1月的時候會延會或加開臨時會來密集協商處理總預算另外說另外那個立法院職權行使法第71條之一規定說議案自交黨團協商於一個月無法達成共識者由院會定期處理"},{"start":10616.633,"end":10638.852,"text":"那實務上我們稱這個一個月期間為冷凍期的也就是說各黨團在該期間對議案應設法寫章打成共識那如果沒有打成共識呢院會就不能處理該議案那該議案就處於在這個一個月就處於冷凍期那反之呢如果各黨團在這個期間打成共識呢就不受冷凍期的限制所以呢"},{"start":10640.576,"end":10667.33,"text":"避免預算協商因為冷凍期的影響而沒辦法如預定期間處理比如說如果預定說1月5號要預算開始預算協商或處理那你一個月前也大概就是12月4號前你只要有個委員會他所負責預算在委員會已經審查完均並領據審查報告提報院會討論通過了不然的話如果你卡在冷凍期的話你預算可能就沒辦法說你在1月開始協商"},{"start":10670.202,"end":10697.392,"text":"至於說102年度附屬單位預算他為了完成審議情況其實就是合適的爭議那時候經紀委員會他審查台電公司102年度營業預算案他通過了退回102年度台電公司附屬單位預算案的提案所以就形成僵局所以就沒有辦法完成審議那預算的主要"},{"start":10698.442,"end":10724.592,"text":"主要審議流程概要說明首先就是行政院大概8月底會提出總預算案提出總預算案之後,財政委會就會開始延提審查日程表程序委會就會將它編列在議程列入報告事項,進議院會一堵會就宣讀標題、決定報告日期也就是決定什麼時候來邀請行政院長、主席長及財政部來報告預算編制經過"},{"start":10726.473,"end":10749.386,"text":"之後經行政院來立法院報告總預算案﹖並答覆委員執行後﹖院會如果做決定﹖比如某某年度最高政府總預算案交財政委員會﹖依分配表及日程分送各委員審查﹖財政委員會就會依照院會交付的審查日程表以及分配表﹖分送給各委員會﹖各委員會就會開始進行實質審查﹖並做成決議事項"},{"start":10753.345,"end":10765.729,"text":"：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會："},{"start":10781.127,"end":10796.416,"text":"這都需要經過黨法協商來決定了那另外說是否一定要行政院長來報告預算編制經過呢其實87年度那時候前副總統兼行政院長連帳他是沒有來報告啦那我們就進副表決後直接復違那"},{"start":10798.709,"end":10819.94,"text":"前行政院長張俊雄他也沒有就90年度總預算報告﹖也是經表決後直接復違那前行政院長張宜樺他102年度9月沒有進行報告那經朝委協商同意後﹖也是將103年度總預算直接復違所以是有以上的先例行政院長沒有來報告﹖就表決後直接復違再下一頁"},{"start":10829.118,"end":10850.783,"text":"這張是財政委員會他所研提的113年度專案政府總預算案和副使單位預算的審查日程表那113年度總預算10月3號是行政院長他們來報告總預算編制經過所以我們看到10月4號到11月2號就是各委員會就開始進行審查公務"},{"start":10852.243,"end":10866.515,"text":"各委員會會將所負責的各部會的預算審查完畢之後,他就要整理審查報告11月8號前,就要凝聚好供預算審查報告,便送到財政委員會會總11月9號到14號,財政委員會會整好各委員會的審查報告11月16號提報院會"},{"start":10874.76,"end":10883.31,"text":"另外附屬單位預算部分,各委員會大概是11月6號到11月30號進行審查12月6號各委員會就要審查好並依據附屬單位預算審查報告並送財政委員會走12月7號到13號財政委員會會整各委員會的審查報告,12月14號提報院會"},{"start":10894.582,"end":10922.141,"text":"所以按照這個日程表他是把單位預算跟附屬單位審查是分開的可是這幾年來很多委員會是把單位預算跟附屬單位預算他預算的詢答是排在一起的甚至說有些附屬單位他預算審查是在單位預算之前所以很多實務上預算的審查並沒有按照這個日程表去處理所以這個日程表也是僅供參考"},{"start":10927.623,"end":10953.16,"text":"總預算案,經各委員會審查完畢後﹐有爭議的部分﹐會提出院長主持的黨團協商會議﹐進行協商﹐如果能獲得共識﹐提報院會﹐照協商結論處理﹐並與院會進行二三讀﹐如果協商不能獲得共識﹐就有爭議的部分﹐提出院會表決﹐並進行二三讀另外很重要﹐委員會審查完畢的結果﹐並不是最後的定案"},{"start":10954.261,"end":10981.026,"text":"各黨團及委還可以在黨團協商前提案那如果是以委員個人提案的話就需要15人連署才能成案但是呢 如果您以黨團名義提案的話是不受連署或複議人數的限制的所以一般我們預算的提案大部分都會選擇用黨團提案的方式就是提案經由黨團蓋章那從這幾年來看的話黨團協商前的預算提案數量很多那以110年度的話"},{"start":10982.55,"end":10989.64,"text":"有3698件,那委員會保留123案那110年度提了6088案那112年度提了4803案113年度比較少,提了2195案"},{"start":10999.707,"end":11023.197,"text":"所以黨團協商前的預算提案很多,如果逐案發言表決的話,立法院恐怕會陷入空轉也就是說如果沒有經過黨團協商直接在院會二讀程序直接處理這些提案的話,我們以表決時間以一個案子表決4次大概要5分鐘來計算的話,你以110年都要提了6088案,光是表決他就要"},{"start":11024.482,"end":11048.793,"text":"五百零七個小時也就是說你二十小時不斷電你也要大概二十二天才能表決完所以預算協商就有它的必要性因為黨團協商是為了說要整合各方意見區域制所以它採共識決所以預算協商過程中一定會有不斷衝著還有政治妥協跟這些技巧那預算協商"},{"start":11054.176,"end":11056.467,"text":"開始原則上都會先討論通商項目"},{"start":11059.107,"end":11085.525,"text":"譬如說我們以113年度中央政府總預算案通商的話﹖他有檢列大陸地區旅費30%﹖檢列國外旅費及出國交易費5%﹖檢列委辦費5%﹖等等那有些學者就會批評通商的做法認為說通商他沒辦法就個別計劃他的預算去仔細檢討他的合理性那另一方面他也是變相懲罰那些他合理編制預算的那些機關"},{"start":11087.659,"end":11114.475,"text":"因為統三項目的話除了說有名列有排除的機關否則每個機關都要按照統三項目都一律按統三比例刪減也就是說他有如果這個機關有編列大陸地區旅費那他就要他全部的大陸地區旅費就要按30%刪減除非說你有特殊困難那可以提出其他可刪減項目那主委總署也審核同意後才會替代補足其實這也是為了"},{"start":11115.768,"end":11139.122,"text":"徵進預算審議效率他不得不的做法因為剛剛我們前面所講的黨團協商他預算提案相當多甚至五六千案都有如果是主案討論會其實要花很多時間所以他統三的部分他的用途就是說如果委員提了三檢案或凍結案他屬於統三項目的話我們原則上就按統三處理就比較少做討論來節省協商時間"},{"start":11141.744,"end":11170.545,"text":"當然是否要如此處理,其實也是要經過黨防協商決議而定那我們來看看這幾年中央政府公務預算稅出三減數大概介於246億到300億之間,三減比喻大概都1點多其中我們看大部分他的三減數都來自於統三"},{"start":11172.875,"end":11177.937,"text":"109年到113年,統商比例介於89%到99%,只有1%是委員會刪減的99%都是統商去刪減的所以顯示說委員會審查預算所刪減的金額相較於統商並不多其實委員會進行預算審查"},{"start":11193.888,"end":11222.185,"text":"委員的提案也不少雖然說沒有真正統計過但是一個委員會大概一千多個案子應該還是有八個委員會大概就一萬多案了那但是因為他是分散在八個委員會去審查所以不是像黨團協商那六千多個案子集中在一起協商要花更多的時間而且委員會保留的案子並不多那八個委員會大概加起來大概大概保留大概一百多案所以黨團協商他主要的案子來源都是黨團的提案"},{"start":11224.741,"end":11236.583,"text":"另外,憲情預算法關於總預算案與院會審議方式的規定,它是在預算法第53條第一項它是這麼規定的,總預算案與立法院院會審議時"},{"start":11238.001,"end":11264.62,"text":"得議定議題及人數進行政法辯論或政黨辯論他是參考英國預算在國會預算審議他是由反對黨來定題目辯論後就進行表決以免審議時間過於冗長廢止可是依照目前本院議事運作的相關法規並沒有說政法辯論或政黨辯論這個文字而且他的條文是得而非因所以並沒有強拒性"},{"start":11265.501,"end":11290.965,"text":"那立法院對於總預算案的審議也沒有在院會進行政黨辯論過只有86年5月那時候在全院各委員會聯席會他審查87年度中央政府總預算案的時候他是是就不做逐項發言那對於正式別預算就是按照正式別預算排列審詳項目那採取政黨比例的發言方式來進行政黨辯論那這個也是僅有唯一的一次"},{"start":11293.117,"end":11319.338,"text":"那預算法規範,立法院審議預算做政法辯論或政黨辯論他其實他可以將議題聚焦啦,不像說黨團協商的提案五六千件那要一個一個討論其他的討論的品質相對也沒辦法那麼高啦所以他是可以使二讀會程序更為順暢但是呢他有個問題是說英國預算"},{"start":11323.544,"end":11339.151,"text":"他國會審議之後政黨辯論後就開始表決了所以他是對少數黨是比較不利的所以預算審議是否採政黨辯論或政黨辯論一直沒辦法採行也就是這樣子的因為他對少數黨是比較不利的"},{"start":11340.868,"end":11367.706,"text":"而且現行協商前他的黨團提案是剛剛講的就甚至五六千件都有那你政黨辯論後要如何進行表決也是個問題你是要主案表決五六千件表決還是說你要主管機關別因為113年度他主管機關別只有25個那如果按照主管機關別你去表決可能就比較快吧或者說按照機關別那113年度他只有238個單位預算按照238個單位預算其實也還OK"},{"start":11371.449,"end":11372.75,"text":"政府總預算案審議後的後續"},{"start":11388.513,"end":11410.673,"text":"中央政府總預算案 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或者是專案報告後始的凍資"},{"start":11412.325,"end":11438.877,"text":"立法院接獲機關解凍案來文之後,會交由程序委員會來排入院會議程,經院會決議後再交付委員會進行審查各委員會會是院會交付他的時程,依例會按機關別,將數個解凍案並按審查處理提案如果屬於提出書面報告後時的動之,一般都會列在報告案"},{"start":11439.724,"end":11456.242,"text":"那如果提書面報告並經同意鶴死的動之一般是列入討論案那如果屬於專案報告鶴死的動之那除了江潔東專案含送本院外還要經委會安排專案報告鶴死的動之的所以一般行政機關他相對來講他如果是"},{"start":11457.535,"end":11469.181,"text":"預算動靜他當然是比較希望提出書面報告厚實的動之就可以如果你要專案報告厚實的動之還要看委員會要不要排那如果沒有排的話你這個預算就沒辦法動之了"},{"start":11473.05,"end":11501.028,"text":"另外預算決議的效力,預算法第52條規定﹖法令預算附加條件或期限者從其所定﹖但該條件或期限為法律所不許者不在此限﹖立法院就預算案所為之附帶決議﹖應由各機關單位參照法令辦理其實預算決議的效力學界常有不同的意見行政機關也是常常有他自己的看法"},{"start":11502.89,"end":11525.957,"text":"學者對預算決議的效力通常是由法拘疏慮肯定說﹖還有法拘疏慮否定說﹖肯定說是認為立法院依憲法第63條規定有審議預算的權利國會既然有刪減預算權利﹖而且行政機關也常常希望說將委員提案的刪減案﹖自否能拜託委員改為凍結案﹖基於舉重民情的法理應該是認為立法院審議預算"},{"start":11529.42,"end":11538.305,"text":"立法院預算審議權有正當合理關聯的決議,不論是否條件或期限,或其他法律行為付款"},{"start":11539.676,"end":11568.223,"text":"對於行政機關應該都是有法律上的拘束力的那否定說是認為說預算法第5週條第一項規定已經明示了啊法律預算附加的決議僅能以條件或期限的形式來呈現啊那基於法律保留原則的話也會避免說擴張檢視來侵害行政機關預算執行權啊所以就只有條件跟期限才有拘束力,因此才否定說那我們以國會的立場來看的話我們是認為說"},{"start":11571.027,"end":11571.653,"text":"依預算法第52條第一項規定"},{"start":11573.755,"end":11597.115,"text":"的決議的話是指說本院審查預算案針對特定的預算科目及金額附加條件或期限這些法律行為的付款那這些決議的話除非說違反了相關法律規定否則對行政機關當然是有一定的拘束力那一般我們常常大家可能常常聽到的主決議那預算法並沒有規定什麼是主決議那我們原則上也認為說"},{"start":11601.383,"end":11618.345,"text":"如果主決議跟特定預算科目金額相關的提案他效率跟前面一樣那如果他不是條件或期限那他可是跟財政收支啊或預算審議啊相關的話一般我們是評價為法定外決議那如果"},{"start":11618.993,"end":11647.379,"text":"它是屬於預算審議權而且它屬於國家重要政策那依司法院大法官是日第520號解釋立法院有國家重大政策參與權所以也是承認它有拘束率那至於說其他條件或期限外的決議如果是屬於計畫或業務的推動並沒有跟特定預算科目金額相關只是具有建議性質那基於行政與立法機關和諧互動行政機關應該參照限期法令規定處理"},{"start":11650.285,"end":11660.771,"text":"那因為已經快56分了那我們今天第一堂課我們就大概提早下課讓大家可以早點吃午餐那我們下午再繼續好謝謝"},{"start":11666.873,"end":11684.905,"text":"各位助理那這樣我們早上的課程就到此結束然後下午2點鐘還是在這個地方繼續接下來的課程然後我們中午備有餐盒然後右手邊是雞腿中間是排骨然後左手邊是控肉然後再看自己選擇自己想吃的這樣子好 謝謝各位"},{"start":11700.286,"end":11714.69,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":11733.533,"end":11753.307,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":11772.547,"end":11791.822,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":11835.582,"end":11836.083,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":11864.138,"end":11866.152,"text":"議員議員"},{"start":19060.235,"end":19080.384,"text":"現在兩點我們就開始上課了接下來我們來上中央政府總預算案的特質預算案有個學術名字我想大家都聽過就是措施性法律預算案相對於法案它有幾項特質"},{"start":19082.519,"end":19100.879,"text":"中央政府總預算只有行政院人提出相對於法案的話,預算案就只有行政院人提出那因為預算案它是關係政府整體年度的收支所以它必須在一定期間內完成立法程序所以它提出跟審議都是有時程的限制"},{"start":19102.15,"end":19120.484,"text":"另外,立法院對於審議預算有限制,例如憲法第70條規定立法院對於行政院所提預算案不得為增加支出之提議,不得增加支出的意思就是防止政府預算膨脹,增加人民的負擔"},{"start":19122.182,"end":19133.067,"text":"另外,大法官會議4日 也解釋說,立法院在審議預算時﹐對各機關所編列預算的數額不得在款項募結間移動增減"},{"start":19136.584,"end":19165.156,"text":"那不得在款項節目間移動真言其實銀行的就學理來講的話有一個原則叫做預算統一性原則預算統一性原則那預算統一性是指說你立法院審議後的預算不能過度變動行政部門所提的預算案也就是說維持立法機關他一決後的法定預算跟行政部門他所提的預算案具有基本的統一性的範圍"},{"start":19166.196,"end":19189.649,"text":"那簡單來講就是立法院機關審議後所造成的變動不能說太過影響行政機關本來想要達成的政策目標那這也是說判斷立法部門他預決行為的一個界限也就是說判斷立法院他所做的一些預算決議是否有一頁預算審議權或者說清開到行政機關他的預算提案權或者是執行權的界限"},{"start":19191.772,"end":19220.467,"text":"另外預算法第54條也規定說總預算案的審議如果不能期限完成那怎麼處理那預算法第54條規定說收入的部分就佔依上年度標準及實際發生數核實收入那支出的部分就是新興資本支出及新增計畫就是虛視本年度預算完成審議程序或使得動之但依預算法第88條規定辦理或經立法院同意則不在此限"},{"start":19221.584,"end":19236.364,"text":"那前幕以外的計劃如果已經獲授權原定計劃或上年度執行數就合適動之那另外履行其他法定義務的收支也可以動之那因應前三款收支調度所需要的債務舉借也合適辦理那我們從這條可以看到"},{"start":19238.826,"end":19266.311,"text":"除了新興資本支出及新增計畫﹖其他計畫應該都可以按照原先的規劃﹖或上年度的執行數來執行﹖所以是比較沒有問題的但新興資本支出及新增計畫﹖如果是單位預算的話﹖就必須預算完成審議程序後﹖或者說經立法院統一後才能動之因此預算案如果沒有按期限完成的話﹖對單位預算它的新興資本支出或新增計畫﹖它影響會很大"},{"start":19268.322,"end":19294.885,"text":"那如果是附屬單位預算,它有規定是說預算法第88條規定辦理那預算法第88條規定說,如果附屬單位預算它的資本支出及行政支出是屬於固定資產的建設、改良或者說資金的轉投資、資產變賣這些只要抱進行政院核准或立法院同意的性行辦理"},{"start":19295.666,"end":19322.026,"text":"也就是說這些計畫它經行政院核准後﹖它就可以進行辦理了所以它是比較有彈性所以一般來講說為什麼立法院通常會先審公務預算﹖而比較完整附屬單位預算﹖因為如果預算沒有依期限完成的話﹖對單位預算﹖也是公務預算﹖它的新興資本支出及競爭計畫影響很大但是對附屬單位預算﹖它的影響相對﹖就沒有像公務預算那麼大﹖雖然是有影響﹖但是就沒有那麼大"},{"start":19323.554,"end":19343.47,"text":"另外,中央政府預算不能一線完成,使得執行補充規定是說立法院在審議當年度預算中以初步刪減之項目不得動之也就是說,如果預算還沒有一線完成,那在委員會他已經決定要初步刪減項目那也是暫時不能動之的那特別預算,那依預算法第83條有佐列情形"},{"start":19353.3,"end":19382.272,"text":"提出特別預算就是國防緊急設施或戰爭那國家經濟重大變故重大災變不定期或數年一次的重大災事那可能可能大家外界對於特別預算過於平衡都是有所批評的那特別預算有什麼特別呢首先預算法第84條它有規定說特別預算的審議程序準用本法關於總預算的規定"},{"start":19383.68,"end":19402.684,"text":"因為特別預算它的性質是比較特殊啦它都屬於臨時性啊、緊急啊或重大這些例外個案所以預算法它規定特別預算的審議程序呢是準用本法關於總預算的規定那但是呢它對特別預算它的籌劃啊、編造啊、執行啊它就沒有這樣子規定了啦"},{"start":19403.314,"end":19413.188,"text":"所以他就是由行政部門是個案請他從全處理來很快的應應說那些緊急狀況所以呢特別預算呢他的籌編時程的他就比較趕"},{"start":19414.039,"end":19442.955,"text":"可能就不像年度預算他的籌編可能就前面的講可能半年以上那麼嚴謹所以在計畫的成本效益評估可能就有所減略所以他計畫可能就比較沒有那麼效益那如果這只是為了因應緊急或重大個案而且只是可能幾年才而為之的話我想是可以理解的但是如果太過頻繁那因為他的成本效益評估也沒有那麼嚴謹那支出不具效率的話很可能就對政府財政有所影響"},{"start":19445.25,"end":19459.462,"text":"另外特別預算也都排除預算法第23條那第23條就是政府經常說要保持平衡那些資本收入或者舉債不得經常支出之用"},{"start":19460.595,"end":19488.212,"text":"可是特別預算他常常用特別條例來排除預算法第23條規定也就是說他可以舉債或者說移用以前年度稅金剩餘來創作經常支出而且特別預算他的財源大部分都是舉債的那我們也知道說經常支出就是效益緊急一年就是他的效益只有當期可是你舉債常常說要花數十年才還清所以特別預算如果舉債他的用在說"},{"start":19489.474,"end":19506.73,"text":"效益僅僅有當期的經常支出,那可能就是有債流止損的問題,也就是說它的效益只有一年當代人享受,可是債務卻常常要後代人去負擔的代際不公平情形所以總之特別預算它應該是屬於臨時性緊急或重大的例外個案"},{"start":19508.701,"end":19529.052,"text":"為了很快速應應緊急狀況﹖所以特別預算在計劃的成本消費評估﹖可能就有所減略﹖所以他的計劃執行後﹖可能就比較那麼不具經濟性﹖那另外特別預算﹖大部分也都排除預算法第23條規定﹖可以舉債來支應經常支出﹖而造成待機不公平性向﹖那這也是我們比較擔憂的"},{"start":19538.004,"end":19539.145,"text":"立法院議員"},{"start":19554.373,"end":19582.704,"text":"機關對預算案的審議其實主要是在謀求政府的用度合理﹖避免浪費﹖防止政府預算膨脹﹖增加人民負擔﹖所以預算審查是應該注重整體層面的﹖尤其稅出規模是否合理﹖因為它牽涉到全國總資源的分配及人民的負擔能力另外預算輿促也就是稅路跟稅出的差短﹖它是關西的政府財政是否健全﹖所以是審議預算所關注的重點"},{"start":19584.271,"end":19604.057,"text":"注重計劃績效及各計劃優先順序,主要為了避免浪費,並促進資源有效配置稅路的審議重點,以擬變更或擬設定的收入為主,就來源別決定之今年的某項收入如何較上年度預算有所變更,或是新的,那就是一個審議的重點"},{"start":19606.656,"end":19631.681,"text":"稅務來源表就是指各項收入來源 譬如說稅科收入、貴妃收入、財產收入目前稅務來源表總共有11項科目另外財政紀律法第9條也規定預算案的審議應注重收入減少原因稅出是以你變更或你設定的支出為主就有機關別、正式別及基金別決定之目前實務上"},{"start":19633.581,"end":19659.117,"text":"立法院是按照分組按機關並按大概按業務計畫或者工作計畫來審查那有關正式別部分大概在審議後他就會說某某年度政府總預算案稅出正式別部分那就隨從稅出機關別審議結果予以調整所以大部分就只就機關別的業務計畫來審那正式別的話就依稅出機關別審議結果來調整"},{"start":19661.499,"end":19687.404,"text":"那前面所已經講過這88年起特種基金已經全部改為副主單位預算了嘛所以其實就基金單位預算型態的審查結果其實也就是說對單位預算型審查結果其實也對基金別的數位也決定了那另外財政紀律法第9條規定預算案的審議應注重支出增加的原因以及注重替代財源的籌措及債務清償的規劃那"},{"start":19692.165,"end":19703.867,"text":"各國立法機關審查預算一般來講有分為部分審議跟全部審議這兩種那部分審議就是審議當年度新增及變更的計畫"},{"start":19705.049,"end":19725.743,"text":"那部分審議它的優點就是說讓大家可以聚焦在新增跟變更計畫那提高審議的品質但是缺點是說隨著時空環境變遷以前沒問題的計畫現在可能已經不具經濟效益的支出那全部審議就是無論是新增或既有計畫全部與審議那全部審議制的優點是每一項計畫"},{"start":19729.847,"end":19753.459,"text":"都會被重新檢視但是因為全部審議阿所以它相對的審議的品質可能就會隨之降低那我國預算法規定呢預算審議方式在稅出是以你變更或你設定的支出為主它是為主並非為限阿所以我國是採彈性的全部審議制也就是說審議的時候呢你可以以新增及變更的計畫為主但其他舊的計畫呢也可以認識請換審議"},{"start":19762.079,"end":19789.007,"text":"剛剛我們講過預算的審議應該注重整體彩虹面尤其稅出規模是否合理那我們來看看這幾年的稅出規模是否合理從這個圖我們可以看出來這幾年稅出規模是成長的而且112跟113年度成長最多了那稅出規模呢我們可以看從110年度的大概一兆七七千多億成長到113年度的兩兆八千多億增加一兆多億"},{"start":19790.37,"end":19814.63,"text":"那政府的預算規模應該有多大呢?其實也就是說大家對於政府職人應該是大政府或小政府也反映了說政黨間對於政治經濟理念的差異那我們以美國為例的話因為美國民主黨他就是信奉大政府經濟嘛所以他主張課徵中稅啊、擴大政府支出啊、實現社會福利照顧啊"},{"start":19815.71,"end":19837.243,"text":"共和黨就是支持資本主義所以他是小政府的概念他認為要減少社會福利支出解除企業管制減稅來刺激商業投資另外有一點很重要就是財政換血也是導致公共支出增加的原因因為政府的財政支出"},{"start":19838.944,"end":19866.069,"text":"給大眾帶來好處,譬如說動資券、文化幣大家拿到很開心,但是呢卻常忽略說政府的支出往往都是來自人民納稅錢忽略自己要付出的代價因此因為政府的錢還是來自人民納稅錢所以財政幻覺也導致了公共支出規模擴大而且我們在前面也講了說預算有穩定經濟的功能"},{"start":19866.96,"end":19889.308,"text":"那經濟過熱的話就要採緊縮性貨幣財政政策嘛就要減少政府支出嘛那如果景氣衰退的話就要採擴張性財政政策來增加政府支出嘛那其實我們看這幾年的話雖說規模成長很多但是其實這幾年經濟狀況也是不錯啦如果大家看股市的表現就知道了"},{"start":19890.37,"end":19904.64,"text":"那物價也上漲很多那如果在物價上漲明顯的時候還擴大公共支出是否會助長物價的上漲那這也是預算法第一條就開宗明義的講說預算的編制及執行應以財務管理為基礎並遵守總體經濟均衡的原則另外稅入稅出於處也是預算審議也是預算評估的重點"},{"start":19919.144,"end":19947.547,"text":"那這幾年稅收狀況相當好啦從這個圖可以看到100到105年中央政府總決算是短促的那106年到111年度因為稅科收入超收所以是短促轉為剩餘那112級112年度因為稅出規模增加很多所以預計大概短促大概1000多億可是呢"},{"start":19948.314,"end":19964.871,"text":"除了年度預算之外呢可能我們要知道說這幾年也辦了很多特別預算而且特別預算大部分都是沒有足夠稅務來源所以它也產生了為數不等的短處那如果我們把總預算加特別預算的話呢107、108"},{"start":19967.921,"end":19992.053,"text":"是剩餘的那109跟110年是短處的那111年都是剩餘的可是我們合計的話如果把短處跟剩餘數合計起來的話其實它合計短處大概有4000多億那合計剩餘數才1000億所以它整個加總起來其實總預算加特別預算的話這幾年的合計數還是短處的比較多好 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譬如說用公司名義"},{"start":20634.074,"end":20634.715,"text":"：第11屆立法委員"},{"start":20665.612,"end":20693.621,"text":"另外我們在109年度總決議會審核報告﹖在鑽泥評估報告的時候﹖我們有請財政部提供了108年度﹖全國非自住住家﹖防稅及個人歸戶﹖那在跟眾所遂﹖他科稅級據做交叉分析﹖我們發現說當年度﹖所責稅零的人﹖可是他擁有﹖非自住住宅有5間以上﹖也是有5戶以上的﹖有3700多人﹖"},{"start":20696.172,"end":20723.116,"text":"那持有5戶以上,一般我們來講應該是慘凋啊,或者有錢人啊可是他卻不用繳所得稅所以說可能就是這部分住基所得是不是漏掉了那後來呢,財政部門也針對說那些多屋的房東來查稅啊而且鎖定在5戶以上的房東進行查核啊那截至去年9月底呢,他總共補稅了大概2億多元"},{"start":20727.577,"end":20747.214,"text":"那另外我們110年度復稅署及五區國稅局評估報告因為那時候剛好是一個大家可能有印象就是境外資金匯回管理運用及課稅條例那時候就是因為國際間防避稅防洗錢的熱潮所以很多"},{"start":20748.457,"end":20772.035,"text":"為鼓勵境外資金回台投資所以實施了這個條例那資金回來有什麼副作用可能大家都會知道可能會造成房價上漲雖然說境外資金匯回管理運用及科學條例它上面有規定說資金回來只能作為投資用如果被查獲5年內用來購置不動產就要補稅可是資金其實是有替代性的本來是要拿"},{"start":20774.319,"end":20787.532,"text":"投資廠房設備的資金 因為境外資金回來了 所以可以拿境外資金去投資廠房設備原本打算購置廠房設備資金 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如果對他預算有問題要詢問的話 就可以 譬如他屬於內政委員會的那你就可以請教一組的組長 或者一組那個懲辦從人那預算中心的主要業務成果 我們一般我們就是主要就是鑽你預算評估報告"},{"start":21769.605,"end":21784.233,"text":"那預算評估報告的話,我們有分為總預算案、總體評估報告總預算案、總體評估報告就是因為要邀請行政院長、主計長、財政部長來報告預算編制兼顧所以我們總預算案、總體評估報告大概就會在報告之前的一個禮拜就會出來那還有個體的評估報告,譬如說經濟部、財政部這些"},{"start":21796.025,"end":21802.751,"text":"這些單位預算評估報告 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預算提案大概有三成多大概會引述我們中興的評估報告那結論"},{"start":21957.245,"end":21983.917,"text":"預算是政府在一段期間在與整體經濟均衡因著下位達成它的政治社會跟經濟發展的目的那依施政方針計畫與符合財政管理基礎下所定的貨幣表達計畫那剛在上堂課就已經講了那預算的主要功能上堂課也講了所以這個其實最主要就是預算中心就是個幕僚單位啦那我們是個幕僚單位所以"},{"start":21985.031,"end":22013.439,"text":"我們預算評估報告要發生效果因為我們只是供委員參考所以要對外發生效果還是要依靠委員的提案才能對外發生效果所以我們是以本專業跟中立的立場因為我們的服務是所有的委員所以我們沒有黨派也沒有什麼所以我們一定要專業跟中立所以依相關規定評估中央政府相關預算提出評估報告作為委員預算審查及問證參考之用"},{"start":22014.741,"end":22016.892,"text":"那以上八碗冰 剛好快三點了 謝謝"},{"start":22109.65,"end":22110.144,"text":"中文字幕 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法律不能抵觸憲法那這也是說憲法172條有明定的命令與憲法或法律抵觸者無效就強調這個法律的位階性所以這就是所謂的法律優惠原則"},{"start":23125.554,"end":23142.164,"text":"法律保留原則中央法規標準法第五條規定有明定說有些事項是一定要用法律來明文規定的憲法或法律有明文規定應以法律定之者關於人民的權利義務"},{"start":23143.345,"end":23157.701,"text":"第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11�"},{"start":23159.343,"end":23178.739,"text":"憲法23條有提到說自由的權利原則上是不能用法律來限制的除非有另外一個情形下面這幾個情形可以用法律來限制人民的自由權利比如說為防止、妨害他人自由、避免緊急危難或是維持社會秩序、增進公共利益"},{"start":23183.906,"end":23191.616,"text":"法律名文規定才能限制禁止人民的一些自由權利這也是包含在法律保留的範圍之內"},{"start":23198.74,"end":23199.981,"text":"法律明確性原則"},{"start":23216.018,"end":23242.902,"text":"例如說釋字第409號他就提到說法律就徵收的各項要件應強加規定也就是法律我們在草擬制定的時候有關於法律的要件還有法律的這個效果這個條文的要件這個效果一定要非常的明確才能夠符合法律明確性原則因為法律畢竟是要用來施行執行的所以在要件跟效力效果方面一定要非常的明確"},{"start":23243.422,"end":23243.942,"text":"平等原則"},{"start":23257.847,"end":23280.446,"text":"平等原則就憲法第7條所指出的不管中華民國人民無論男女、宗教、種族、階級、黨派在法律上一律平等那另外法律限制人民的自由或權利應符合相同事物為相同的對待不同事物為不同的對待等於說基本上同樣的事情就要相同的待遇"},{"start":23281.127,"end":23307.254,"text":"那假如說我們法律有給他做不同的差別待遇的話也一定要有一定的前提不能說沒有任何的限制就為差別待遇那譬如說那個憲法第19號112年度去年度第19號判決要特別指出假如說基本上我們法律是要做平等的原則要平等的對待那假如說差別待遇的對待的話第一個我們這個差別待遇的目的必須要合憲"},{"start":23308.294,"end":23308.775,"text":"規範目的合憲"},{"start":23326.031,"end":23349.706,"text":"跟我要達成這個政策目標之間一定要有一些合理的關聯性否則就不能為差別待遇假如說這樣的要件沒有符合的話那就不符合平等原則所以平等原則是基礎並不是說不能完全不能做那個差別待遇可是差別待遇的話一定要符合一定的要件之下才能夠做差別待遇"},{"start":23353.902,"end":23371.493,"text":"好,接下來就是比例原則,這是大家比較常看到的,就是方法跟目的之間,要符合適當性、必要性,就是所謂的不能用大砲去打小鳥,要符合手段跟目的之間,要符合一定的比例。"},{"start":23378.424,"end":23378.944,"text":"城市及信用的方法"},{"start":23392.944,"end":23410.801,"text":"誠實信用原則當然我們一般所包含的包含權利禁止濫用、詐欺、不正當或不法行為的禁止或禁反言以及告知及通知的義務保護經濟上弱勢等等這些都是誠實信用原則的具體實際應用"},{"start":23415.086,"end":23440.607,"text":"接下來信賴保護原則的部分等於說政府在採取任何行政行為的時候必須讓人民可預見以及可預測然後另外在保護的信賴基礎上呢假如說對人民因此而的信賴有受到損害的話也必須要有所補償那這邊要進一步跟大家報告的是"},{"start":23441.768,"end":23460.945,"text":"這個信賴保護原則也就是說我們在制定法律的時候﹐假如不管是法律的廢止或是變更﹐那對於人民所因爲這樣的信賴﹐而產生實體上的利益受損害的話﹐那我們在法律上就必須要有合理的補償措施﹐補救措施﹐或是一個過度的條款﹐"},{"start":23462.826,"end":23484.586,"text":"舉例來說,像去年2月所通過修正的《煙害防治法》那《煙害防治法》它其中有一條就是修正為就是說在那個煙品的容器,包裝容器上必須載明就是吸煙有害健康的這樣一個警示語可讓警示語在去年2月的時候修訂它這樣警示"},{"start":23485.266,"end":23485.646,"text":"李慧琼議員"},{"start":23502.853,"end":23515.141,"text":"第9屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11�"},{"start":23526.448,"end":23526.608,"text":"公益原則"},{"start":23544.402,"end":23568.969,"text":"整個的那個目的是有關於公益的那現在等於說我們從公益它有兩個不確定性就是說公益內容感覺很不確定然後公益的對象也不是很確定那所以必須呢經由具體的個案當中我們去把它明確的確定出這個所謂的公益原則因為公益這兩字就是比較屬於那個不確定的法律概念那舉例來說"},{"start":23570.069,"end":23591.694,"text":"例如消費者保護法﹐立法基於公益﹐內容是公益﹐是針對消費的事項﹐保護受益的對象也是公益﹐等於是消費者﹐他一定是消費者的對象﹐但他不會具體指明是針對張三、李二、王二﹐具體的受益對象"},{"start":23593.975,"end":23594.696,"text":"以上是幾個常見的一些"},{"start":23616.424,"end":23617.044,"text":"法案審查法條審查"},{"start":23636.673,"end":23636.753,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":23656.624,"end":23667.431,"text":"﹚第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會："},{"start":23680.593,"end":23694.802,"text":"接下來立法起草概述的部分剛才跟各位報告說法律是政策推動的依據立法也是等於說我們要讓政策合法化的一個歷程立法起草的特質"},{"start":23695.623,"end":23695.743,"text":"政策推動依據"},{"start":23716.207,"end":23718.088,"text":"預算是政策執行的動力"},{"start":23739.816,"end":23740.897,"text":"國家政策﹚立法﹚修法﹚解決問題"},{"start":23757.671,"end":23785.421,"text":"那起草的研擬先期作業階段、起草作業階段、彙整階段以及完成階段先期作業階段通常我們助理會比較常碰到在先期作業階段比如說經由選民的一些陳情陳情會直接說哪個法律現在它這樣執行起來它遭遇到一些什麼損害或是它覺得這個部分有些不合理的地方它一定會去找我們助理或是委員來做這樣的陳情"},{"start":23787.042,"end":23790.484,"text":"公聽會召開,收集到目前至愛難行﹑必須修正的地方﹑選民陳情﹑公聽會召開,收集到要修法的資訊"},{"start":23811.958,"end":23828.393,"text":"有足夠的意見之後我們就來檢討說這個法律起草階段是要怎麼樣來修正那修正各方的意見各方所提出的條文會是怎麼樣情形到最後再處理出一個草案的一個條文大概是這樣一個進程"},{"start":23830.731,"end":23860.089,"text":"那學者有提供一些法律起草的步驟第一個也是就是政策目標的了解另外我們也可以參考各國的立法例因為通常一個社會問題或是一個政策目標想要達成的話通常我們不會是第一個有這樣的問題可能別的國家已經有這樣的問題他們也實踐過了然後也解決過了然後也有這樣的立法那我們可以參考目前的立法是怎麼樣的情形然後哪些可以讓我們來做參考"},{"start":23860.849,"end":23861.769,"text":"委員會主席委員會主席"},{"start":23889.327,"end":23913.926,"text":"行政機關目前的法案提案最大宗的還是在行政院行政院提案有一個中央行政機關法制作業應注意事項行政機關提出的法案會有法律跟法規命令我這部分是把法律的部分給抓出來因為我們會碰到比較多的是法律案的部分"},{"start":23914.927,"end":23942.304,"text":"那準備作業部分第一個就政策目標剛剛一直強調我們立法修法就是為了要解決達到一個政策目標或是要解決一個問題所以先確立我們是要達到什麼樣的目標要解決什麼樣的問題另外制定這個法律或是修正這個法律是不是就可以達到我們要達到的目標等於說這個可行性是否可行然後等於說手段方法是否是最簡便的"},{"start":23944.36,"end":23945.041,"text":"法律明確性原則"},{"start":23966.821,"end":23986.194,"text":"現行法檢討目標是一定要透過現行法檢討來達成嗎?還是行政機關自己用自己的行政規則或是用他們自己的命令就可以去達得到的不用到修法的這個層級?這也是要先檢視的"},{"start":23989.196,"end":24011.605,"text":"法未接先檢視,另外再從法律來檢視說現行法是不是就可以做得到現行法有的話,我們就不用進入到修法,制定法律的地步現行法的先檢視跟檢討草擬作業的部分這後面我們就用具體的"},{"start":24013.314,"end":24017.676,"text":"具體一點一點來跟各位做報告構想完整 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認定標準的經濟部定制那等於說在這個法律我們授權給行政機關去訂定這個標準因為標準是屬於命令未接嘛所以是授權他們去訂定一個命令那曾經就有個案例行政機關送來這個文字它寫前項各款是認定基準由什麼什麼部定制"},{"start":24330.151,"end":24330.371,"text":"規定規定規定"},{"start":24349.972,"end":24350.112,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":24374.352,"end":24374.652,"text":"主席主席"},{"start":24403.089,"end":24430.555,"text":"接下來跟各位報告就是我們起草的時候注意一些原則跟法律措辭這邊有很多原則事實性原則、專業審查、程序正當、法治調和、法實效性、語言明確性、法條簡潔、內容易懂、人民可接受、成本效益相當、體力統一性那這些原則跟前面有些原則事實上內容是"},{"start":24432.392,"end":24436.536,"text":"事由：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員"},{"start":24449.108,"end":24450.189,"text":"律修法律修法律修法律修法律修法"},{"start":24471.292,"end":24493.177,"text":"莫拉克颱風災後重建特別條例從提出到通過不到一個月時間都通過因為災後重建必須有執行依據還有預算必須通過等等所以那時候是用非常急迫的立法程序來進行這個等於說有它的一個實效性"},{"start":24494.057,"end":24511.987,"text":"同樣的從109年2月那時候COVID-19我們中文的法案名稱是叫嚴重特殊傳染性肺炎防治及紓困振興特別條例也是在109年2月有它的時空背景之下所特別制定的一個特別條例"},{"start":24512.907,"end":24513.227,"text":"專業審查原則"},{"start":24530.532,"end":24553.487,"text":"等於說委員會的立法審查除了委員個人發揮他的專業知識或經驗之外更重要的還需要我們就是各位的國會專業幕僚的一個支援系統那這邊為什麼特別會強調委員會呢因為法案的審查由院會附委之後"},{"start":24555.523,"end":24578.754,"text":"第一步的審查是在委員會進行在委員會進行所以經由質詢還有大體討論逐條討論來確定這個條文這個最後的修正是怎麼樣然後再送到院會去進行二讀跟三讀所以在委員會這個階段我們可以處理的一些爭議或是一些文字的錯誤我們就在委員會來進行處理"},{"start":24580.875,"end":24603.352,"text":"在委員會已經處理得很完善的話在院會二三度階段也比較不容易再出錯所以委員會這個審查階段是非常重要的那另外程序正當原則就是所謂的 due process of law那當然就是先程序後實體在程序合法的前提之下才會進一步來論述說這個實體是否適當"},{"start":24607.047,"end":24610.728,"text":"法制條和原則,重向關係,縫向關係,法律定位,憲法法律命令,橫向關係,普通法,特別法,陸海空軍刑法"},{"start":24628.172,"end":24628.512,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":24644.375,"end":24663.73,"text":"法實效性原則法律條文的構成要件是否明確?是否有不確定的法律概念?要件要明確可行,效力要有效落實執行,才能達到法實效性。"},{"start":24665.431,"end":24667.353,"text":"語言明確性原則法規用語法條簡潔"},{"start":24685.387,"end":24710.784,"text":"內容易懂性原則就是說現在我們一般的法律條文我們都比較白話文了我記得我那時候剛進公部門剛公園的時候那時候我們在主管間發布一個韓式解釋的時候還有用到無所複利這四個字那後來說這也都比較一般民眾比較難以了解的這樣的文字我們就不用了"},{"start":24711.624,"end":24736.865,"text":"早期的一些判決會用到負負得正的語法比如說難為無法律上之原因或是難為無損於人性之尊嚴或是難為尚未生效這樣負負得正的語法一般的民眾比較難了解比較有距離感所以我們在法條的文字上面我們現在盡量都是用一般民眾"},{"start":24737.786,"end":24737.806,"text":"講義第21頁"},{"start":24754.991,"end":24755.871,"text":"人民可接受性原則"},{"start":24771.519,"end":24781.882,"text":"委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助"},{"start":24800.507,"end":24800.667,"text":"體力統一性原則"},{"start":24820.521,"end":24842.855,"text":"本部各職稱之官等職等及員額﹚並以編制表定之以前的組織法裡面會定說什麼樣職稱職等是幾職等然後會有幾位幾位那現在新修正的組織法或新訂定的組織法等於說這個部分都會挪到編制表去訂定所以它的"},{"start":24845.416,"end":24862.961,"text":"．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．第11屆立法委員助理研習會．"},{"start":24876.362,"end":24884.668,"text":"統一用字用語,句子的銜接,善用標點符號法律的條文,法律有它習慣的用語,有它呈現規定的方式"},{"start":24900.615,"end":24900.715,"text":"發言委員"},{"start":24924.477,"end":24924.577,"text":"辯析與詞的意義"},{"start":24940.309,"end":24964.309,"text":"要很精準的分辨,譬如說在再生能源發展條例當中一個短購短購跟一般我們的補貼事實上它定義是不一樣的所以等於說在一部法律當中它用短購的情形、用補貼的情形分別怎麼樣、要件怎麼樣、效率怎麼樣它的語詞的定義我們就一定要把它分辨出來"},{"start":24966.482,"end":24974.536,"text":"接下來 詞語的簡潔原則就是盡量簡單明瞭而且精準正確"},{"start":24978.922,"end":24987.326,"text":"例求語詞的明確,盡量避免一些不確定的法律概念此語的嚴謹,盡量避免一些尖色的詞語統一用字及用語表接下來我們看一些比較常用的部分"},{"start":25003.8,"end":25003.9,"text":"條文中連接詞"},{"start":25020.154,"end":25021.555,"text":"A、B、C三個選項A、B、C三個選項英文會A、B、C這個情形把條會寫A與B"},{"start":25043.695,"end":25050.737,"text":"第12屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第12屆立法委員助理研習會：第12屆立法委員助理研習會：第12屆立法委員助理研習會："},{"start":25074.728,"end":25102.744,"text":"第三個部分引用他處條文的話連續的條文用字不連續的話就只用頓號譬如說我引用一第十九條然後兩個條文引用兩個條文十九跟二十一的話我就會說一第十九條及第二十一條就用及那假如說我要引用第十九二十二十一三個條文的話就直接寫"},{"start":25103.584,"end":25103.945,"text":"第19條至第21條"},{"start":25111.209,"end":25115.39,"text":"第11屆立法委員助理研習會：第11屆立法委員助理研習"},{"start":25135.777,"end":25143.068,"text":"前面不加寫句這個字後面不要加一個之這個字直接用一第幾條規定"},{"start":25150.145,"end":25151.126,"text":"句子銜接句子銜接"},{"start":25170.509,"end":25173.151,"text":"標題不用標點符號但書上面用句號"},{"start":25189.754,"end":25209.981,"text":"前項許可政治申請應檢據藍色框框是一個分號前面這段我們稱為A後面這段其屬異難者應檢據什麼什麼的單案什麼什麼不在此限後面這段是BA跟B這兩段很長所以用個分號把它分開"},{"start":25212.662,"end":25229.833,"text":"單字前面應該用句號,但因為這個單只指後面B這部分的單數除外,所以這部分特別用逗號把它隔開來。否則一般的情形,單數上面是用句號。"},{"start":25232.515,"end":25245.553,"text":"A及B,即上面原則是不加逗號的原則除非句子很長很長A一大串事項,B一大串事項,即上面採用逗號"},{"start":25251.773,"end":25270.659,"text":"公共建設法第6條第1項制度嚴定及政令之宣導這很簡短的部分所以用及就不加逗號像仲裁法第2條的規定這就很長的兩個部分所以在及上面就用個逗號把它隔開來"},{"start":25274.85,"end":25275.371,"text":"其他的旗"},{"start":25289.752,"end":25318.586,"text":"接下來是法律用字用語我們平常比較容易用錯的部分一個是申請 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