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在鳥巢裡面牠們張大嘴巴就是只想要吃東西母鳥最辛苦的事情就是一直不斷的要閒東西給小鳥吃博物館教育把這個叫除鳥模式意味著好像導覽員是母鳥"},{"start":4136.795,"end":4156.857,"text":"觀眾是小鳥所以觀眾就是一直張大的嘴巴等著我們餵東西給他是這樣嗎這種模式比較像是一種強迫性的也就是我覺得反正觀眾就什麼都不懂他就是要依賴我們講很多東西他才能夠理解這個就是一個比較單向你比較一廂情願的覺得"},{"start":4158.158,"end":4158.539,"text":"導覽解說實務與技巧：完整會議"},{"start":4172.995,"end":4189.411,"text":"導覽員．導覽員．導覽員．導覽員．"},{"start":4189.491,"end":4190.251,"text":"導覽解說實務與技巧：完整會議"},{"start":4212.961,"end":4215.084,"text":"請往博物館參觀的觀眾興趣與學習態度都不一樣所以專業導覽員最能將導覽的內容與觀眾的需求和興趣形成完美的搭配"},{"start":4229.843,"end":4253.333,"text":"有的時候完美這件事情聽起來壓力很大但總之其實就是鼓勵所有做導覽工作的朋友們如果我們能夠多一點點瞭解觀眾的需求和興趣在哪邊我們的內容就能夠跟他們的需求或興趣形成了一個很好的搭配我們能夠滿足或符合觀眾的需求"},{"start":4254.133,"end":4268.106,"text":"所以遊客要的是輕鬆又有支持性的內容與親切的態度我覺得親切這件事情真的蠻重要的我沒有要說我們博物館誰的壞話我只是想說我們博物館有的時候也會有館員來做導覽"},{"start":4272.21,"end":4272.37,"text":"導覽解說實務與技巧：完整會議"},{"start":4292.998,"end":4293.018,"text":"導覽委員："},{"start":4313.799,"end":4333.812,"text":"提醒大家不要照本宣科不要喋喋不休不能以一套台詞講騙所有人而且很重要的是沒有人想聽導覽員說教像我們園區我們機構的主旨真的非常容易淪於說教這件事情要講什麼白色恐怖的歷史要講一些什麼受難的歷史"},{"start":4335.633,"end":4355.091,"text":"總之會帶著一些很嚴肅的教育性在裡面那這時候到底要怎麼樣把原本聽起來很像說教的東西轉化成一個故事轉化成一個大家都覺得聽起來有被感動 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有嗎我剛剛是這樣講嗎你確定我是這個用詞嗎我不知道大家有沒有過這種經驗"},{"start":5174.241,"end":5174.261,"text":"導覽委員"},{"start":5194.346,"end":5221.447,"text":"其實這個真的要靠你錄音你會比較準確的去掌握原來我的講話方式是這樣我足夠內容的方式是這樣其次我覺得錄影就是手機錄影蠻重要的你有沒有發現站在台上或站在人的面前你會有很多不自覺的小動作你自己不知道比如說我之前我最近訓練了一個導覽員他是一個很年輕的一個男生他等於要講導覽30分鐘"},{"start":5223.888,"end":5246.717,"text":"從頭到尾都會一直這樣喔 每一句話都要這樣喔我那時候看了十分鐘我頭都暈了欸我想說你的手可不可以放下來你讓我們大家可以怎樣稍微平靜的聽你講話專心的聽你講話而不是一直被你的那個很激動的手勢怎樣拉到吸引注意力因為當一個人從頭到尾不斷的手在你面前這樣揮這樣揮這樣揮這樣揮其實"},{"start":5249.958,"end":5275.918,"text":"聽的人很辛苦的耶我們不知道大家有沒有發現不是一直做手勢不一定是好的那其實會增加聽的人他的負擔因為他要很專心聽你講話他還要注意一直不斷的沒有辦法你知道把你的手勢你知道他沒有辦法避開你的手勢因為你就在他面前這樣一直講話一直講話一直講話一直做手勢其實這樣對聽的人是很辛苦的那"},{"start":5276.698,"end":5291.412,"text":"因為你知道每次跟他講他都不自覺他都覺得我還好啊我這個手勢就是為了要讓大家怎樣覺得我講的話更生動所以我做手勢其實是有原因的欸 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居然在地方衛生單位稽查的時候還謊稱說有保險面對業者公告可能3月底就要結束營業受害民眾求償無門的情況政府相關單位也應該要立刻完善相關的法制為消費者的權益築起最後一道防線"},{"start":1935.37,"end":1959.017,"text":"另外我們也要說即將到來4月1號的電價調漲．今天無論是國民黨團．避免物價因電價調漲．民生痛苦指數飆升．我們要求的是即刻檢討現行能源政策．並且提出因應對策方案以及配套措施．我們要請教民進黨黨團．你們是民意代表還是黨議代表．"},{"start":1959.637,"end":1983.691,"text":"過去這段時間沒有聽到廣大的民意真的認為說如果說在電價調漲的話一定會造成萬物皆漲而這樣子的一個痛苦指數就是全國人民買單再者台灣民眾黨也講到了今年的物價已經在蔡政府執政7年多以來調漲3次即將在調漲第4次也造成3成多的電價調漲"},{"start":1986.484,"end":2010.735,"text":"錯誤的能源政策要人民買單我們絕對沒有辦法接受也因此等一下議事進行的時候請全國人民關注到底是誰在阻擋我們的動漲電價而如果民進黨要持續禍航的話國人下一位請政委員天才發言"},{"start":2023.587,"end":2052.181,"text":"副院長各位委員所有的媒體所有的國人今天是329青年節祝福所有的青年都能夠平安快樂喜樂很重要的我們的青年有更多的是外食族而今天這段時間百貨公司內的寶林茶室食物中毒案"},{"start":2053.756,"end":2081.788,"text":"導致18例的通報兩人的死亡五人家戶病房救治的重大食安事件政府的責任應該不分中央地方應該要攜手合作盡快查明責任盡快救治所有的病患防範食安事件的擴大但是非常非常的遺憾的"},{"start":2082.776,"end":2109.732,"text":"我們看到的衛福部王必勝次長以及民進黨的立委就是要面對如此重大的食安事件竟然我們的王必勝次長竟然在行政院外面對媒體發言表示26日才收到臺北市政府的通報"},{"start":2111.324,"end":2140.454,"text":"進入了行政院院會卻又誠實的說24日食藥署有收到新北市跟臺北市通報疑似食品中毒案件院外跟院內才差這麼短的時間會有這樣的一個說法前後不易的說法非常清楚的就是"},{"start":2142.065,"end":2162.839,"text":"要導入成為一個政治的一個事件這個是非常非常的不負責任尤其是這樣的一個意圖明顯的行為真的是不應該尤其是我們在過去的台檔瘦肉精的一個事件一樣"},{"start":2164.246,"end":2186.017,"text":"完全一樣所以我們面對這樣的一個問題尤其是我們很多的年輕人我們廣大的外食人口在百貨公司、美食街竟然會因食物而死亡讓外食族人心惶惶面對食安等人命關天的事情"},{"start":2188.342,"end":2213.17,"text":"要請衛福部應該消除政治思維：中央與地方要共同的合作：重新設計食安通報的機制：因應新興的食安事件：確保人民的生命安全。謝謝下一位請張委員嘉峻發言"},{"start":2234.468,"end":2241.391,"text":"錯誤的能源政策全民買單電價漲11%人民11%蔡政府從執政8年來電價已漲價3次加上這次共漲超過31%造成萬物起漲衝擊百工百業而蔡政府不只漲電價從2022年到今年"},{"start":2262.338,"end":2286.589,"text":"總共補貼台電超過4000億元．到目前為止．台電還持續的在虧損當中．這就表示是錯誤的能源政策造成．蔡政府既要廢核能．也不敢燒煤炭．綠能又遲遲無法達標．因此只好大力的燒天然氣．"},{"start":2287.449,"end":2313.006,"text":"偏偏天然氣又因其儲存等原因最容易受到國際局勢影響的能源之一果然遇到了國際動盪能源政策就立刻崩盤了這就是導致台電虧損最大的原因之一蔡政府必須正視這個錯誤而不能只是一味的把這個推給國際因素明明國際能源價格已經回穩卻繼續用這個理由來漲電價"},{"start":2318.049,"end":2338.936,"text":"錯誤的能源政策：錯誤的能源配比：要全民為錯誤的能源政策買單：台電目前唯一不虧錢的就是核電：專家指出若能夠讓核電研議20年：至少可以為台灣省下一兆6000億"},{"start":2340.596,"end":2343.538,"text":"也可以解決人民漲電價之苦為什麼蔡政府不願意去面對這樣子的能源政策錯誤而一意孤行一定要用天然氣、要用綠電、要用風電而不用最能淨零減碳的核電"},{"start":2361.111,"end":2388.098,"text":"連全世界最推廣綠電綠能的Amazon也開始啟用核電為什麼我們不能夠更現代化的去接受這個觀念本席要求動漲電價直到政府面對錯誤的能源政策誠心的向國民道歉檢討能源配比做出實質的能源調整謝謝"},{"start":2392.947,"end":2406.993,"text":"下一位請謝委員龍介發言各位鄉親大家早安"},{"start":2422.396,"end":2431.179,"text":"這位是日本北斗三一一北斗福林運營事件十三九年經過十三年日本中企所有的福林電廠那麼雙極運轉高級的福林電廠也一樣要來演繹"},{"start":2447.742,"end":2461.592,"text":"因此以後：能夠增加清晰的臨環發電：甚至：受到富齡災害這麼嚴重：的日本：不再是起薪的富齡電廠：中國大陸：印度：美國：澳洲、法國等等：世界先進的三四十個國家：都在起薪的富齡電廠："},{"start":2476.325,"end":2486.488,"text":"那麼,我們的台電開順是為甚麼原因來的?第一,策劃為臨環政策：執行台電目的的開順：第二,掛箱糾結：掏空國庫：現在要對我們人民負責任的家庭的負責：你敢不想去?"},{"start":2498.208,"end":2508.495,"text":"所以這種政府若沒有叫它下台﹐沒有叫它倒嵌尤其是現在怪盜政府靠靠聲聲﹐都說要趕救可惡、趕救可惡"},{"start":2511.274,"end":2535.434,"text":"但是依舊是違背世界的交流。澳門已經認定復營發展出來的復營﹐就是真正加強的逆転﹐也就是逆転的發展﹐比你們在太陽營發展﹐過充高潔、接受性交代﹐跟國防部提到你派的東西﹐今天你要對我們台灣百姓的東西提錢來報﹐你敢不想去?"},{"start":2540.868,"end":2552.58,"text":"未要篩選欠缺的：奉勸現在過渡的政府：不能做重大割測：要等新的政府：立即在選舉九年的十月已經說過了：不擺渡重缺負能：我們的負一負二負三：若是可以演繹："},{"start":2562.964,"end":2575.443,"text":"那麼起碼可以保存有12%新生歷年的用電：所以現在政府不能做重大的決策：應該停止起大價的電池"},{"start":2577.564,"end":2593.772,"text":"奉勸蔡英文及鄧健林的政府,過去你們怎麼平手,還要架人民站在上面?你們現在做這個決策,會陷辣情敵,政府亦不宜,無理空就這個辣情敵,有可能無理空就來正式敗課下一位請陳委員、冠廷發言"},{"start":2607.022,"end":2610.346,"text":"是否是否是否"},{"start":2619.531,"end":2646.672,"text":"好 謝謝各位收看國會頻道的觀眾還有我們所有我們嘉義以及全國的鄉親朋友們大家好那最近這一個食安的問題確實影響到許多各個層面的民眾消費的部分但是我們就生產端還是要跟大家呼籲包含這些稻米包含木耳這些其實是重要的這個產地那有許多民眾有正式的表達他們的擔心他們的擔憂"},{"start":2648.081,"end":2662.019,"text":"他們生產的良好的這個食品然後最後在消費端的時候遇到這樣的挑戰的時候對應現在是這麼不公平所以冠廷在這裡很誠懇的來呼籲全國的消費者在一些"},{"start":2664.321,"end":2687.295,"text":"經過檢驗過去有良好相遇的產品包含稻米包含木耳等等其實都是經得起考驗的我們不可以因為單一事件來到影響到整個生產端這對我們台灣的農業會是一個傷害所以在這邊呼籲台灣台北市政府把這事情釐清但是對我們的生產端還是要給予信心這一點關鍵也要跟所有的鄉親朋友們報告"},{"start":2690.686,"end":2712.491,"text":"第二部分關於之前在各個質詢裡面也談到關於這個老農津貼的部分那老農津貼除了是因為要因應物價來去生產來去把它提高之外還有一個很重要的還是因為我們的台灣的不動產的價格隨著經濟的成長也是上漲所以我們認為說未來的不動產的認定標準"},{"start":2714.191,"end":2729.006,"text":"也要把它提升從500萬到800萬那我們的農民不是想有更好的補助因為它只是依照這個物價來去做調整那這個部分我也希望未來的行政機關能夠把它作為考量"},{"start":2729.591,"end":2745.429,"text":"最後關您議題要跟大家報告包含許多老師、全教總等等的公民團體都有來反映關於行政減量的部分在關您當選的第一天雖然我們不是在教育委員會我也是非常關心這個部分"},{"start":2745.769,"end":2761.679,"text":"那特別是自己有兩個小孩那他們可以感受到老師他必須要承擔的行政的這個程序實在是太多了那教育政策的措施等等都會加載於學校那我們是希望提出教育的這個基本法的12條的修法"},{"start":2762.179,"end":2789.321,"text":"那這個12條修法必須用修正草案明確的要求所有的學校要配合要推動的事項可以用法律形式來去給他定名讓這個部分可以減少不必要的行政干預讓老師讓教師可以專注在他們的教學那我想大家都知道這個現在特別是基礎教育國小的老師他變成一個人不僅僅是要服務學生而已"},{"start":2790.101,"end":2809.14,"text":"還要再替跟所有家長來跟他們分享說學校發生什麼事情那對於老師的教師的這個壓力是十分巨大的那這部分也希望藉由國事論壇讓所有國民能夠了解下一位請徐委員與珍發言"},{"start":2831.98,"end":2860.854,"text":"主席還有江副院主席江副院長以及我們所有的同仁大家早安還有各位媒體先進大家早今天與正要探討的是綠電政策搶劫台電巨額損失全民買單蔡英文總統在2015年9月的時候說沒有預期10年內電價會有上漲的可能同年12月當時的副總統候選人陳建仁說台灣電力供應是足夠的漲價的機率不會太高"},{"start":2861.414,"end":2879.919,"text":"而今年3月5號本席在質詢陳建仁院長的時候他回答神仙也難猜到有二屋戰爭但是真的只是國際能源價格飆漲才導致台電虧損嗎為什麼天然氣的價格在2023年以後已經回到二屋戰爭前的水平"},{"start":2880.526,"end":2886.649,"text":"臺電還要繼續虧損1985億元呢?民進黨執政8年的期間：電價已經第4次調漲：民生用電累積漲幅已經高達35%：工業用電的累積漲幅：已經累積高達45%：導致物價翻漲蔡英文明明說好10年不漲電價：為什麼8年調漲了4次?"},{"start":2905.441,"end":2933.397,"text":"台電2023年再生能源的購電支出就花了900億其中的價差、好處都被風電、光電的業者拿走有些人很幸運地搭上了這個錯誤的能源政策的順風車發了大財這才是問題的所在除了電價漲中央銀行對於今年的消費者物價指數CPI的年增率從1.89%大幅上修到2.16%"},{"start":2935.257,"end":2958.547,"text":"為了抑制國內通膨預期的心理：進而無預警的升息半馬。民事電價調漲：帶來的物價的這個漲幅：可以說是無可避免。我國已經連續3年的通膨都超過2%：最近兩年：國內消費物價上漲的力道：是從2009年的金融海嘯以來最大。"},{"start":2959.847,"end":2976.134,"text":"民眾深刻地感受到：房貸族不僅要面對電價調漲：還要增加利息的支出：全民都在問：掌聲何時能停：全民因為通貨膨脹、叫苦連天：全國唯一開心的只有風電、光電的業者"},{"start":2978.499,"end":3000.473,"text":"政府的錯誤的能源政策害得全民被風光搶劫全國擔心沒有電可用還不得不買高價的風電、光電全民被迫高價買電還不能有怨言政府的風光政績是導致台電虧損的元兇之一錯誤的政策不改電價一定還是繼續會在漲"},{"start":3002.338,"end":3014.444,"text":"你們開心慶祝全民卻因為高電價勒緊褲帶過生活本席想問一句蔡英文總統賴清德總統民怨四起的聲音你們沒聽到嗎?你們到底離人民有多遠?下一位請政委員鄭淺發言"},{"start":3041.67,"end":3059.175,"text":"今天是三二九的青年節我們有責任打造一個讓年輕人更適合的安居樂業安身立命的一個環境經濟部在3月26日下午召開電價審議會議拍板4月份起電價要民生電價要調漲3%到10%一般工業用電調漲7%到14%特大戶用電向台積電要調漲到25%"},{"start":3071.878,"end":3090.171,"text":"整體電價平均調幅在11%不論民眾還是業界都大炸鍋經濟部為了合理化自己的行為在官方FB連發12張梗圖出來不禁讓我們想到當年勤快連發12張金牌如何的緊急"},{"start":3091.272,"end":3100.145,"text":"那麼經濟部聲稱要烘焙業者每天只多2元﹐慘被打臉﹐完全無視業界實際的一個狀況﹐還說漲價後電價遠低於韓國﹐卻無視於韓國平均月薪是我們的1.8倍。"},{"start":3107.476,"end":3122.921,"text":"擺明就是拿著公帑來洗老百姓的腦平均調漲11%經濟部說的雲淡風輕但是今年2月份的消費者物價指數年增率已經來到3.08%食物類更是達到4.49%還沒有漲電價民眾已經苦不堪言4月份如果開始調漲電價11%民眾又該如何面對"},{"start":3134.725,"end":3146.95,"text":"國家發展委員會主委龔明新之前在經濟委員會回答委員質詢的時候具體表示如果電價調漲10%直接影響物價會在0.1%到0.2%之間後續延伸的波動效果可能會超過2%"},{"start":3157.675,"end":3181.064,"text":"如果國發會的推估沒有錯的時候4月份我們之後的消費者物價指數年增率不就要往6%去前進了嗎?央行在3月21日也突然宣布升息半碼主要原因就是因為消費者物價指數年增率居高不下央行總裁楊金榮也表示如果消費者物價指數年增率不能降到3%以下還要繼續升息"},{"start":3184.165,"end":3201.361,"text":"物價漲：電費漲：掛號費漲：銀行利息也要漲：現在是全面皆漲的一個時代：所有的人都躲不掉：為了避免造成萬物其漲的情況：我們的黨團今天也會特別提案：要求立即停止調漲電價："},{"start":3202.882,"end":3229.06,"text":"先檢討現行能源政策與能源配比：並提出因應對策與配套措施：再來考慮電價調漲的問題：希望立院同仁都能支持我們的提案：也希望行政院能苦民所苦、懸崖勒馬：不要把台灣帶向物價起漲的深淵下一位請吳委員中線發言"},{"start":3241.761,"end":3267.007,"text":"錯誤的政策比貪污更可怕但是錯誤的政策又貪污的政府比獨裁更可怕我想這一段時間我們經歷了所有東西都在漲但是我國的薪資中位數仍然只有51萬餘元那這個狀況下導致我們今年的實質薪資其實是倒退的也就是說人民其實活在更辛苦的活動"},{"start":3268.748,"end":3286.585,"text":"我們要面對的是我們這個政府並不是一個實實在在的政府他會用非常多美好的小故事錯誤的數據來欺騙人民他會告訴大家我們的薪資平均數是多少但是他永遠不告訴你我們的薪資中位數是多少哪一個虛幻的平均數"},{"start":3287.566,"end":3302.951,"text":"來去騙人民說我們現在的薪水是歷年來最高他告訴你的數據是你的歷年來最高的薪資所得沒錯但是他的實質購買力他的實質薪資是不停的在倒退但是政府永遠不告訴你這個問題那"},{"start":3305.457,"end":3329.728,"text":"漲不漲電價以及電價漲了之後會不會影響到人民的生活會不會造成物價飆漲這個是數學問題這個是科學問題這個絕對不是一個玄學可以解釋的所以但是我們現在的政府他就告訴你漲電價不會影響到你的生活他卻不告訴你我們今天所購買的每一個東西都是有他一定的供應鏈"},{"start":3331.268,"end":3356.267,"text":"當生產端生產的廠商漲了電價運輸端漲了電價倉儲商漲了電價小賣商、中盤商都漲了電價之後這個東西有沒有可能不漲他只告訴你說你家的用電數不會去受到電價調漲影響但是你要知道一件事情我們最大的支出是吃的東西是用的東西"},{"start":3356.787,"end":3383.346,"text":"是租房子房租的問題是交通的問題但是這個每一個東西都在漲因為這個東西每一個東西都要用到電捷運用電高鐵用電火車用電所以政府實在不應該拿這些虛假的東西來欺騙我們的國人日前我們的程序委員會上面我們有表決通過要動檔電價本席非常的贊同政府實在不應該拿一個錯誤的政策讓全民來買單"},{"start":3384.867,"end":3413.706,"text":"他讓全民來對他的錯誤政策來去付出非常慘重的代價請民進黨政府一定要記得一件事民進黨創黨的精神是清廉、勤政、愛鄉土但是今天你們都忘了這個東西你們心裡想的只是什麼樣的產業對自己有利什麼樣的產業可以看似我可以對我的黨綱負責我的黨綱廢死我的黨綱廢和那我就要做到我黨綱要的但是你要記得一件事"},{"start":3414.787,"end":3414.987,"text":"下一位請陳委員金輝發言"},{"start":3440.393,"end":3445.027,"text":"主席、各位同事、媒體朋友以及全國人民大家早安、大家好"},{"start":3446.843,"end":3475.873,"text":"蔡英文總統卸任前她送給大家一個驚嚇的大禮包就是宣布電費即將大幅調漲曾經蔡總統在就職前向全國人民昭告說我們的能源與資源十分有限我們的經濟缺乏動能還說演講結束以後改革就要開始了但實際上是什麼呢是她的任期要結束了"},{"start":3477.554,"end":3490.914,"text":"漲價卻要開始了從前蔡英文跟民進黨側翼整天嘲諷馬總統最後一年的油電雙漲結果現在他更厲害他要送給大家萬物飛漲"},{"start":3493.742,"end":3509.633,"text":"為官之道在於人﹐體察民意只是最基本的﹐結果面對蠢蠢欲動的物價以及通膨﹐王美花竟然告訴大家﹐烘焙坊平均每天電費增加兩元﹐而且叫大家換時間烤麵包比較省錢﹐"},{"star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案本院委員王宏偉等26人離聚,預算法整理第81條之1條文草案請審案。陳秀妍會見立即回交財政委員會審查。審理完畢。無異議通過。下一案"},{"start":5610.728,"end":5636.299,"text":"第9案 本院委員王宏偉等24人離聚財政收支劃分法第8條、第12條及第30條條文修正常行審案財修院會見立行會交財政委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下案第12案 本院委員翁曉琳等26人離聚根深保護法第11條條文修正常行審案財修院會見立行會交司法及法制委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下案"},{"start":5636.769,"end":5665.755,"text":"第11案本院委員黃建斌等17人離聚工廠管理輔導法第28條至14第31條及第39條條文修正草案請審案財修院會見立即匯交經濟委員會審查宣言完畢無異議通過下案第12案本院委員徐宇珍等19人離聚勞工保險條例第66條及第69條條文修正草案請審案財修院會見立即匯交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣言完畢無異議通過下案"},{"start":5666.414,"end":5685.641,"text":"第13案本院委員徐宇珍等18人聯聚勞動基準法第50條條文修正草案請審案財修委員會見立即會交受惠服理財政環境委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下案第14案本院委員徐宇珍等17人聯聚公司法第487條條文修正草案請審案財修委員會見立即會交經濟委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下案"},{"start":5692.13,"end":5714.598,"text":"第15案本院委員政經財等事項：老年農民福利津貼專行條例第3條條維修政策請審議案財修委員會見你請回交社會福利基金環境經濟內政委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下一案第16案本院委員政經財等事項：公職人員選舉報名法定17條條維修政策請審議案財修委員會見你請回交內政委員會審查宣讀完畢"},{"start":5719.414,"end":5727.798,"text":"無異議通過下案第17案本院務員鄭天才等19人離聚總統、副總統選舉報名法第13條條維修正常案請審案財修院會計理請會交內政委員會審查宣讀完畢無異議通過下案"},{"start":5733.137,"end":5755.366,"text":"第18案本院務員政天財等19人離聚國際法部份條文修正草案請水恩財修院會見理行會交內政委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下案第19案本院務員政天財等19人離聚貨物稅條例第12條條文修正草案請水恩財修院會見理行會交財政委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下案"},{"start":5755.902,"end":5783.057,"text":"第20案本院委員鄭天才等18人離聚中央選舉委員會組織法第3條條文修正草案請選一案陳秀妍會見立行會交司法及法律內政兩委員會審查宣讀完畢無異議通過下一案第21案本院委員高金素梅等25人離聚中央選舉委員會組織法第3條條文修正草案請選一案陳秀妍會見立行會交司法及法律內政兩委員會審查宣讀完畢無異議通過下一案"},{"start":5783.732,"end":5811.887,"text":"第22案本院務員高金素梅等21人離居立法院組織法第32條條維修政策案請選一案陳秀妍會見理情匯交司法及法治委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下案第23案本院務員高金素梅等28人離居地方民意代表費用之急及村里承受補助費補助條例第7條條維修政策案請選一案陳秀妍會見理情匯交內政委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下案"},{"start":5812.327,"end":5835.98,"text":"第24案本院援揚中英等21人理據《援揚語言條例》正列第14條之一及第38條之一條文草案請水恩財修委員會見立行會交經濟委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下案第25案本院援揚中英等21人理據《公司法》第235條之一條文修正草案請水恩財修委員會見立行會交經濟委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下案"},{"start":5839.246,"end":5863.352,"text":"第26案本院委員楊崇英等21人理據《能源管理法》第7條條文修正草案請審議案財修院會見立行會交經濟委員會審查宣討完畢無異通過下案第27案本院委員楊崇英等21人理據《中華民國新法》第286條條文修正草案請審議案財修院會見立行會交司法及法律委員會審查宣討完畢無異通過下案"},{"start":5863.752,"end":5892.524,"text":"第28案本院委員蘇清泉等23人理據《中華民國刑法》第286條及第286條之一條文修正草案請選一案陳秀燕會見立行會交司法及法執行委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下一案第29案本院委員蘇清泉等28人理據兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第97條條文修正草案請選一案陳秀燕會見立行會交社會福利修正環境委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下一案"},{"start":5892.924,"end":5912.509,"text":"第30案本院委員賴世寶等28人凝聚所得稅法第17條條文修正草案請審議案財修委員會見立行會交財政委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下一案第31案本院委員賴世寶等26人凝聚遺產及贈予稅法第30條及第41條條文修正草案請審議案財修委員會見立行會交財政委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下一案"},{"start":5917.99,"end":5946.053,"text":"第32案本院委員賴世寶等29人離聚公立學校教職員退休自選撫恤條例第37條及第38條條文修正常請審議案陳秀燕會見理情匯交司法及法治教育及文化兩委員會審查宣讀完畢第33案本院委員賴世寶等26人離聚公務人員退休自檢撫恤法第38條條文修正常請審議案陳秀燕會見理情匯交司法及法治教育及文化兩委員會審查宣讀完畢"},{"start":5946.673,"end":5959.823,"text":"無異通過下案第34案本院國民黨黨團．中華民國刑法第286條條維修正常請選案陳秀元會見立行會交司法及法治委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下案第35案本院國民黨黨團．中華民國刑法第286條條維修正常請選案陳秀元會見立行會交司法及法治委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下案"},{"start":5972.318,"end":5998.593,"text":"第36案本院委員陳昌明等17人理據《財政收支劃分法》第8條、第12條及第16條之一條維修正常情水恩財修委員會見理情匯交財政委員會審查宣討完畢無異通過下案第37案本院委員陳昌明等18人理據《環境影響評估法》第6條條維修正常情水恩財修委員會見理情匯交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣討完畢無異通過下案"},{"start":5999.013,"end":6024.619,"text":"第30方案本院委員王定宇等17人離聚公職人員選舉報名法第52條及第110條條維修政策案請審案財修院會見理行會交內政委員會審查宣讀完畢無異動過審案第39案本院委員王定宇等17人離聚總統副總統選舉報名法第48條及第96條條維修政策案請審案財修院會見理行會交內政委員會審查宣讀完畢"},{"start":6025.259,"end":6054.295,"text":"無異通告下案第40案本院委員王定宇等17人離聚陸海空軍刑法部分條文修正草案請審議案陳秀園會見例行會交司法及法治外交及國防內務委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通告下案第41案本院委員王定宇等16人離聚外國專業人才延攬及雇佣法則內地21條之1條文草案請審議案陳秀園會見例行會交經濟社會福利及衛生環境教育及文化三委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通告下案"},{"start":6054.895,"end":6073.843,"text":"第42案本院委員陳玉珍等18人領據《領導建設條例》第3條、第7條及第7條之一條維修正常案請選案財修院會見你請回交經紀委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異通過下一案第43案本院委員陳玉珍等18人領據《領導建設條例》第5條條維修正常案請選案財修院會見你請回交經紀委員會審查。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":6079.113,"end":6091.654,"text":"無異通告下案。第44案本院委員陳雲震等17名鄰居：領導建設條例第10條條文修正草案請審議案。財修院會見你請回交經濟委員會審查。宣布完畢。無異通告下案。"},{"start":6092.096,"end":6116.73,"text":"第45案本院委員陳玉珍等17人聯聚在聖等月發生的條例第7條、第9條及第11條條維修正常請審議案陳秀燕會見理情會長、經濟委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通告下案第46案本院委員陳玉珍等18人聯聚國金法第4條及第7條條維修正常請審議案陳秀燕會見理情會長、內政委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通告下案"},{"start":6117.659,"end":6143.779,"text":"第47案 本院委員陳玉珍的18案連續《地方制度法》贈禮曆7條書4條文草案請審議案才修委員會見例行會交例證司法及法治兩委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下案第48案 本院委員陳玉珍的18案連續《就業服務法》第24條及第27條條文修正草案請審議案才修委員會見例行會交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下案"},{"start":6144.209,"end":6170.715,"text":"第49案本院委員李燕秀等22人凝聚性別平等工作法第15條條維修正常案請水銀案陳秀燕會見理情匯交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下一案第50案本院委員李燕秀等19人凝聚兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第77條條維修正常案請水銀案陳秀燕會見理情匯交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下一案"},{"start":6171.226,"end":6192.182,"text":"第51案本院委員許智傑等22人鄰居﹐飲水法第6條條文修正草案請審議案﹐財修委員會見理行會交交通委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢無異通過下案第52案本院委員許智傑等23人鄰居﹐純原法第12條條文修正草案請審議案﹐財修委員會見理行會交交通委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢"},{"start":6192.762,"end":6216.722,"text":"無異議通過下案第53案本院務員徐志傑等25人凝聚﹐學生福島法第4條及第7條條務修正財務金水恩﹐採修院會見立即回交交給文化委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢無異議通過下案第54案本院務員徐志傑等26人凝聚﹐學生福島法第11條條務修正財務金水恩﹐採修院會見立即回交交給文化委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢"},{"start":6217.182,"end":6238.492,"text":"無異議通過下案第55案本院委員徐志傑等25人理據《性別平等工作法》第20條條文修正常情水恩財修委員會見理行會交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣讀完畢無異議通過下案第56案本院委員羅明財等23人理據《中央銀行法》第20條集體33條條文修正常情水恩財修委員會見理行會交財政委員會審查宣讀完畢"},{"start":6243.445,"end":6265.076,"text":"無異通告下案第57案本院委員徐欣盈等18人聯聚預算法第83條及第84條條文修正草案請審議案財政委員會審查宣告完畢無異通告下案第58案本院委員徐欣盈等18人聯聚糧食管理法第5條之一條文修正草案請審議案財政委員會審查宣告完畢無異通告下案"},{"start":6269.358,"end":6296.663,"text":"第59案本院委員徐欣盈等19人聯聚中華民國刑法第339條之4條無修正草案請審議案陳秀陽會見理情匯交司法及法治委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過審議案第62案本院委員徐欣盈等20人聯聚公務人員退休自檢服需法第37條第38條及第67條條無修正草案請審議案陳秀陽會見理情匯交司法及法治委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過審議案"},{"start":6297.674,"end":6312.299,"text":"第61案本院原許經營等18個年居、老年農民福利今天遵行條例第4條條文修正常勸請審議案。採訊委員會建立行會交社會福利及優先環境經濟內卷三委會審查。宣讀完畢。委員通告下案。"},{"start":6312.748,"end":6336.167,"text":"第62案本院委員領域僅得21人理據﹐國際法案部分條文修正裁判請審議案﹐陳秀妍會見理情會交內政委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢無異通過下案第63案本院委員領域僅得21人理據﹐總統副總統選舉報名法第26條條文修正裁判請審議案﹐陳秀妍會見理情會交內政委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢無異通過下案"},{"start":6336.627,"end":6349.855,"text":"第64案本院院領域僅等20人離聚﹑學校訪人及其所屬私立學校教職員﹐退休復讐離職資金條例第8條條文修正裁判情審議案﹐採討院會見﹐立即匯交司法及法治教育計劃﹑兩院會審查。宣傳為畢。"},{"start":6353.769,"end":6371.484,"text":"第65案本院委員臨時請的21人聯聚就事法部分條文修正草案請誰認?才疏遠會見臨時會交交給文化委員會審查。宣傳完畢。無異動過協議案第66案本院委員臨時請的21人聯聚公民不在即投票法草案請誰認?才疏遠會見臨時會交內政委員會審查。宣傳完畢。"},{"start":6374.847,"end":6398.72,"text":"無異通告下案第67案本院委員零四名的二十六人鄰居﹐地方民意代表費用之急﹐及村里承擔事務補助費補助條例第六條條維修現場請詢問財修院會見立行會交內政委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢無異通告下案第68案本院委員零四名的二十三人鄰居﹐工廠管理輔導法第二十二條及第二十九條條維修現場請詢問財修院會見立行會交經濟委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢"},{"start":6402.202,"end":6426.83,"text":"無異通過下一案。第69案本院員零四名的二十人聯聚財政收支劃分法部分條文修正草案請選一案。財政委員會建立請回交財政委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異通過下一案。第70案本院員王美惠等十八人聯聚援助民族工作權保障法部分條文修正草案請選一案。財政委員會建立請回交內政委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異通過下一案。"},{"start":6427.284,"end":6434.269,"text":"第71案本院委員王美惠等19人離聚。國際部門部份條文修正常案請審議案。陳修緣會見議請回交內政委員會審查。宣傳完畢。"},{"start":6438.991,"end":6460.145,"text":"第72案 本院委員王美惠等17人聯聚﹐地方民意代表費用之際﹐及村民掌握事務補助費﹐補助條例第6條條維修政策案請審議案﹐採証院會見﹐立行會交﹐內政委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢第73案 本院委員王美惠等18人聯聚﹐工廠管理輔導法﹐第31條條維修政策案請審議案﹐採証院會見﹐立行會交﹐經濟委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢"},{"start":6466.269,"end":6485.053,"text":"第74案本院委員林竹英等23人聆聚國際法第3條條文修正草案請審案財修院會見你請回交內政委員會審查宣讀完畢無異動過審案第75案本院委員林竹英等23人聆聚台灣地區道路地區人民關係條例第17條條文修正草案請審案財修院會見你請回交內政委員會審查宣讀完畢無異動過審案"},{"start":6490.954,"end":6511.428,"text":"第76案本院委員林竹英等22人鄰居陸海空軍刑法部份條文修正財務勤選案前續委員會見你請會交司法及法事務委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通告下案第77案本院委員邱益英等17人鄰居農村再生條例第7條及第15條條文修正財務勤選案前續委員會見你請會交經紀委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通告下案"},{"start":6517.145,"end":6533.762,"text":"第78案本院委員邱穎穎等17人聯聚職務熱量事法草案請審議案陳秀英會見理情會交經濟委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下一案第79案本院委員邱穎穎等16人聯聚工廠管理輔導法第31條條務修正草案請審議案陳秀英會見理情會交經濟委員會審查宣讀完畢"},{"start":6538.587,"end":6561.36,"text":"無異議通過下一案第八十一案本院委員盧憲宜等十八個鄰居反族群歧視法草案請審議案陳秀妍會見你請回交內政委員會審查宣討完畢無異議通過下一案第八十一案本院委員盧憲宜等十九個鄰居地方民意代表費用徵集及村領存人事務補助費補助條例第六條第七條及第九條條務修正常請審議案陳秀妍會見你請回交內政委員會審查宣討完畢無異議通過下一案"},{"start":6566.94,"end":6576.228,"text":"第82案本院委員盧憲宜等19年年居、原住民保留地、經方補償條例第3條及第6條條文修正草情審案。請休院會見例行會將內政經濟欄委會審查。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":6580.376,"end":6609.571,"text":"無異議通告下案第83案本院委員盧憲宜等20人離聚偏遠地區實現安全與發展條例第8條、第12條及第21條條文修正常請審議案陳秀妍會見理情會交交警王化委員會審查宣讀完畢無異議通告下案第84案本院委員盧憲宜等20人離聚全民健康保險法第27條及第48條條文修正常請審議案陳秀妍會見理情會交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣讀完畢"},{"start":6610.305,"end":6638.477,"text":"無異通告下案。第85案。本院委員盧憲宜等20人聯聚老年農民福利津貼專行條例第三條條文修正草案請審議案。採修委員會見。您請院會交出社會福利及衛生環境經濟內政三委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異通告下案。第86案。本院委員陳素月等17人聯聚民法部份條文修正草案請審議案。採修委員會見。您請院會交出司法及法制委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異通告下案。"},{"start":6638.905,"end":6649.8,"text":"第八十七案本院委員陳素月等十七人已被指交通部觀光局組織條例請審議案陳修緣會見議請回交司法及法治交通兩委會審查。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":6651.633,"end":6676.609,"text":"第88案本院委員委員緩解等19人聯聚加持型及非加持型業稅法第8條條文修正常請審議案。持續委員會見你請回交財政委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異通過下一案。第89案本院委員緩解等17人聯聚學校衛生法第6條條文修正常請審議案。持續委員會見你請回交教育及文化委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異通過下一案。"},{"start":6677.025,"end":6703.204,"text":"第九十案本院國民黨團．第16委員連續《社會救助法》第16條條文修正常勤選案財修委員會見您請院會交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異議通告下案第九十一案本院國民黨團．第17委員連續《身心障礙者權益保障法》第71條條文修正常勤選案財修委員會見您請院會交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異議通告下案"},{"start":6703.544,"end":6729.91,"text":"第九十二案本院委員吳佩儀等十幾人理據《國際法》第四條條文修正常案請審議案財修院會見你請回交交解文化委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下一案第九十三案本院委員吳佩儀等十幾人理據《文化資產保存法》第四條、第九十八條及第一百十二條條文修正常案請審議案財修院會見你請回交交解文化委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下一案"},{"start":6730.441,"end":6757.891,"text":"第94案本院委員吳佩儀等18人聯聚道路交通管理處發條例第14條條務修正草案請申案財修委員會見議請回交交通委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下案第95案本院委員吳佩儀等18人聯聚國家語言研究發展中心設施條例草案請申案財修委員會見議請回交司法及法律教育及文化兩委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下案"},{"start":6758.271,"end":6779.115,"text":"第96案本院委員沈伯陽等17人理據《國家安全法》第13條及第13條之一條修正草案請審議案。請衆院會見你請回交內政委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異通過下案第97案本院委員王正旭等17人理據所得稅法第17條條修正草案請審議案。請衆院會見你請回交財政委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異通過下案"},{"start":6783.732,"end":6809.484,"text":"第98案本院委員王鑽旭等17人聯聚所得稅法第14條及第126條條文修正常案請審議案財修委員會見議請回交財政委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下案第99案本院委員王鑽旭等17人聯聚癌症狂釋法第16條條文修正常案請審議案財修委員會見議請回交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下案"},{"start":6810.407,"end":6822.933,"text":"第102本院委員參與與等19人的聯聚．地方民意代表費用之際．集村立場需用補助費補助條例第6條條務修正草案請審議案．求院會見．請匯交財政委員會審查．宣討完畢第101案本院委員參與與等19人的聯聚．保險法第177條條務修正草案請審議案．求院會見．請匯交財政委員會審查．宣討完畢"},{"start":6835.979,"end":6847.302,"text":"無異通過下案第102案本院委員參與於等會選擇領據《工廠管理輔導法》第28條準14、第31條及第39條條文修正草案請審議案查詢委員會見,您請回交經濟委員會審查。宣告完畢無異通過下案第103案本院委員馬文君等18人領據《工廠管理輔導法》第28條準14、及第31條條文修正草案請審議案查詢委員會見,您請回交經濟委員會審查。宣告完畢"},{"start":6864.986,"end":6876.209,"text":"五議通過寫案第104案本院委員協議訪問16人理據戶籍法第16條條務修宣查文請審議案求修委員會監理請回交內政委員會審查宣告而畢"},{"start":6876.874,"end":6896.383,"text":"無異通告下案。第105案本院原先依附的16年年居、農民退休雛形條例第7條條無修正常請審議案。採証院會見你請回交經濟委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異通告下案。第106案本院原先依附的16年年居、農業保險法第10條條無修正常請審議案。採証院會見你請回交經濟財政兩院會審查。宣讀完畢。無異通告下案。"},{"start":6902.426,"end":6926.151,"text":"第107案 北約委員長姚琳等署報案人理據﹐以生動物保育法部份條文修正草案侵水案﹐財修委員會見你請回交接近委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢。無異通告下案第108案 北約委員長姚琳等署就委人理據﹐教事法部份條文修正草案侵水案﹐財修委員會見你請回交交及文化委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢。無異通告下案"},{"start":6926.55,"end":6954.092,"text":"第109案本院委員科之恩等19人離聚．號《民國新法》第286條條務修正財管情勢因案採修院會見你請獲交司法及法治委員會審查宣討完畢無異通告下案第110案本院委員科之恩等21人離聚公立學校教職人退休自己的服務條例第8條條務修正財管情勢因案採修院會見你請獲交司法及法治教育及文化兩委員會審查宣討完畢無異通告下案"},{"start":6955.527,"end":6968.612,"text":"第111案本院委員柯志恩等18人聯聚公立學校教職員退休自寫服需條例第17條條文書院財務勤審案財修院會見你請回交司法審法書交易及文化聯務委員會審查宣告完畢"},{"start":6972.816,"end":6996.443,"text":"第112案本院委員科之恩等19人聯聚供其中等教育法第56條條文修正策案請審議案陳秀燕會見你請回交教育界文化委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過審議案第113案本院委員科之恩等18人聯聚學生福農法部分條文修正策案請審議案陳秀燕會見你請回交教育界文化委員會審查宣讀完畢"},{"start":6997.113,"end":7011.216,"text":"無異通過下案。第114案。本院委員開針29年年矩﹐運動產業發展條例在內地7條之1條文草案請審議案。求修委員會間﹐立請會交教育及文化委員會審查。宣告完畢。無異通過下案。"},{"start":7011.67,"end":7031.86,"text":"第115案 本院委員邱姓均．18分點據《遠洋漁業條例部分條例修正》草案請審議案。才須有會見,您請回交經濟委員會審查。宣讀完畢。第116案 本院委員邱姓均．26分點據《少子女化社會對策基本法》草案請審議案。才須有會見,您請回交經濟委員會審查。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7034.485,"end":7062.903,"text":"無異通告下案。第11期案本院國民黨團：19年年居勞工保險條例第31條條文修正草案請審議案。持續委員會見你請回交社會福利及衛生環境委員或審查。宣讀完畢。無異通告下案。第11方案本院國民黨團：19年年居公務人員退休資權俯緒法第37條條文修正草案請審議案。持續委員會見你請回交司法及法就委員或審查。宣讀完畢。無異通告下案。"},{"start":7063.359,"end":7090.568,"text":"第119案本院委員許曉欣等19人聯聚﹑厭害防治法第26條條文修正條文請審議案。陳秀妍會見﹑你請回交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異通告下案。第120案本院委員許曉欣等17人聯聚﹑經常院組織法第3條主義及第3條主任條文修正條文請審議案。陳秀妍會見﹑你請回交司法計畫就委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異通告下案。"},{"start":7091.452,"end":7101.821,"text":"第1、2、1案本院委員陳平於短時間內舉《學生福祉法》第11條條文修生草菁水案。此書院會見你請回交教務及文化委員會審查。宣言完畢。"},{"start":7102.589,"end":7105.792,"text":"無異通告下案無異通告下案無異通告下案"},{"start":7128.001,"end":7147.969,"text":"第124案：本院委員中交兵的18人聯聚．家族性及分散性營業稅房部份條文修正草案請審案．求院會見．請會交財政委員會審查．宣言完畢第125案．本院委員中交兵的17人聯聚．工廠管理輔導法部份條文修正草案請審案．求院會見．請會交經濟委員會審查．宣言完畢"},{"start":7151.718,"end":7180.152,"text":"無異通過下案第126案本院委員吳宗憲等16人聯聚﹑性別平等工作法第14條條務修正草原情緒案。財修委員會見你請回交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查。宣告完畢無異通過下案第127案本院委員吳宗憲等17人聯聚﹑性別平等工作法第15條條務修正草原情緒案。財修委員會見你請回交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查。宣告完畢無異通過下案"},{"start":7180.595,"end":7190.986,"text":"第一、二方案本院原吳宗憲的實際燃力具、信憑平衡等工作法第19條之一及第21條條文修正草案請審議案。強修院會見,禮儆會將社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查。宣讀完畢。會議通過下案。"},{"start":7196.257,"end":7220.771,"text":"第一案 九案 本院院吳宗憲等十七年領據《性別平等工作法》第20條條文修正裁判請選一案 朝休園會見 理情會教 社會福利及優勝環境委員會審查 宣言完畢第一 三案 零案 本院院吳宗憲等十七年領據《性別平等工作法》增令第20條之一條文裁判請選一案 朝休園會見 理情會教 社會福利及優勝環境委員會審查 宣言完畢"},{"start":7221.345,"end":7249.176,"text":"無異通告下案。第13議案本院委員吳宗憲等18個領據﹐家族刑及非家族刑業稅法第8條條文修正草案請審議案﹐財修院會見﹐擬請外交財政委員會審查﹐宣讀外閉。無異通告下案。第13二案本院委員邱振偉等20人領據﹐外國專業人才顏冷及雇佣法第12條條文修正草案請審議案﹐財修院會見﹐擬請外交經濟社會福利系物質環境交易及文化三委員會審查﹐宣讀外閉。"},{"start":7250.595,"end":7276.843,"text":"無異通告下案。第133案。本院委員邱志偉等16人聯聚多層次傳消管理法第13條條文修正財管精選案。陳秀妍會見理情會交經濟委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異通告下案。第134案。本院委員邱志偉等20人聯聚老年農民福利今天專制條例第4條條文修正財管精選案。陳秀妍會見理情會交社會福利經濟委員會審查。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7279.946,"end":7305.259,"text":"無異通告下案。第13、5案本院委員邱志偉等21人已廢止《蒙藏邊區人員任用條例》請審議案。財修委員會見你請回交司法及法律內政兩委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異通告下案。第13、6案本院委員邱志偉等21人已拒公務人員考計法第三條條務修正常請審議案。財修委員會見你請回交司法及法律內政兩委員會審查。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7305.819,"end":7331.333,"text":"無異通告下案第137案北日有緣張志倫等16人離聚東吳港護法第10條條文修正財運精選案財修院會見立即會交經濟委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通告下案第138案北日有緣張志倫等16人離聚中華民國刑法暫定立89條之一條文財運精選案財修院會見立即會交司法及法律委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通告下案"},{"start":7332.216,"end":7339.665,"text":"第139案 本院國民黨黨團領據《中小企業發展條例》第36條主要條文修正財務情緒因案 強修委員會見你請回交經濟委員會審查 宣傳完畢"},{"start":7343.394,"end":7355.598,"text":"無異通過下案。第1402本院國民黨黨團聯聚．第1頁法第49條條務修正財務精選案．採証委員會間．擬請會交經濟委員會審查．宣讀完畢。無異通過下案。第141本院國民黨黨團聯聚．所得稅法第17條條務修正財務精選案．採証委員會間．擬請會交財政委員會審查．宣讀完畢。無異通過下案。"},{"start":7367.401,"end":7386.687,"text":"第1、4、2案：本院國民黨黨團．凝聚、證券交易法第14條條無修正常勤申案．修養會間．擬請會長、財政委員會審查．宣讀為畢。無異通過下案。第1、4、3案．本院國民黨黨團．凝聚、公務人員退休自檢服需法第37條條無修正常勤申案．修養會間．擬請會長、司法及法律委員會審查．宣讀為畢。"},{"start":7391.008,"end":7415.416,"text":"無異通告下案。第144案本院國民黨黨團．聘聚教育經費編列與管理法第三條條文修正草案請申案．修院會見你請回交教育及文化委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異通告下案。第1452案本院委員張志倫等十方人聘聚新住民基本法草案請申案．修院會見你請回交內政委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異通告下案。"},{"start":7415.876,"end":7425.147,"text":"第146案,本院委員張正倫的《水流19人》理據,出向企業發生條例第35條、第36條主案及第40條條維修現場行水案。請衆院會見,立即回交經濟委會審查。宣告完畢。無異議通過下案。"},{"start":7431.494,"end":7456.173,"text":"第14期案本院委員張志倫等18日臨居御聖法第83條條無修正常勞勤選案責修院會見理情會教財政委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下案第14報案本院委員張志倫等18日臨居環境基本法第23條條無修正常勞勤選案責修院會見理情會教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下案"},{"start":7456.601,"end":7481.184,"text":"第149案 本院由馬文君等17人理據《國統計劃法》第45條條文修正財務請詢議案 承受委員會屆立即回交內政委員會審查 宣讀完畢無異通告謝案第150案 本院由羅明才等20人理據《證券交易稅條例》第二條及二條文修正財務請詢議案 承受委員會屆立即回交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢無異通告謝案"},{"start":7481.653,"end":7509.182,"text":"第151案本幼兒園圖詮集等19人理據中華民國新法第339條第4條無修正草案請審議案請衆院會見你請回交司法及法律委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過審議案第152案本幼兒園審博洋等18人理據台灣地區道路地區人民關係條例第17條條無修正草案請審議案請衆院會見你請回交內政委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過審議案"},{"start":7509.844,"end":7530.851,"text":"第153案本院委員郭國文等16人聯聚﹐證券投資信託及顧問法部分條文修正財管精選案﹐財修委員會見臨行會交財政委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢無異動過下案第154案本院委員郭國文等16人聯聚﹐不動產證券化條例部分條文修正財管精選案﹐財修委員會見臨行會交財政委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢無異動過下案"},{"start":7535.27,"end":7560.659,"text":"第155案 本院委員中院省等21人聯聚﹚學校衛生法第6條條無修正草案請審議案前休院會見﹚立即回交教育及文化委員會審查﹚宣讀完畢無異動過加案第156案 本院委員中院省等17人聯聚﹚性別平等工作法第15條條無修正草案請審議案前休院會見﹚立即回交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查﹚宣讀完畢無異動過加案"},{"start":7561.104,"end":7580.729,"text":"第157案本院委員莊耀雄．實際人理據國際法部分條文修正草案請審議案陳修揚會見你請回交內政委員會審查。宣讀而畢。第158案本院委員莊耀雄．並得有16人理據國際法部分條文修正草案請審議案陳修揚會見你請回交內政委員會審查。宣讀而畢。"},{"start":7582.555,"end":7606.094,"text":"第一五九案本院委員在其中等二十一人離聚國民體育法第五十三條條文修正財務精神一案財修委員會建立警會將交給文化委員會審查。宣讀完畢第一六零案本院委員在其中等二十一人離聚消防部部門條文修正財務精神一案財修委員會建立警會將內建委員會審查。宣讀完畢第一六零案"},{"start":7606.636,"end":7630.341,"text":"第161案 本院委員蔡啟昌28日聯聚老年農民福利經濟稅稅條例第4條條文修正草案請審議案 財修院會見你請回交社會福利及衛生環境經濟內捲三位委員會審查 宣讀完畢第162案 本院委員陳培宇第二選人聯聚行政交通安全設施條例草案請審議案 財修院會見你請回交內捲交交兩位委員會審查 宣讀完畢"},{"start":7632.915,"end":7653.986,"text":"無異通告下案。第163案本院委員曾雅琳等18人聯聚新人交通安全事實條例草案請選案。請選委員會見。以請委員會交內政交通兩委員會審查。宣傳完畢。無異通告下案。第164案本院委員環節等20人聯聚國際法第5條及第9條條維修政策請選案。請選委員會見。以請委員會交內政委員會審查。宣傳完畢。無異通告下案。"},{"start":7659.09,"end":7672.099,"text":"第1、6、6案本院國民黨團．的《19年理費值優惠稅法》請審議案。財政委員會審查。宣准完畢。第1、6、6案本院國民黨團．的《19年理費值優惠稅法》請審議案。財政委員會審查。宣准完畢。第1、6、7案本院國民黨團．的《16年理費值優惠稅法》請審議案。財政委員會審查。宣准完畢。"},{"start":7688.647,"end":7697.2,"text":"吳亦東國協議案第168案本院員洪聖漢等17人理據《新南交通安全設施條例》草原情緒議案採訊委員會間李景輝及內眷交通兩委會審查宣告完畢"},{"start":7702.988,"end":7716.994,"text":"第169案：北院臺灣民眾黨黨團聯聚公益建立者保護法草案請選案：採訊委員會見你請回交司法及法律委員會審查：宣准外幣第170案：北院臺灣民眾黨黨團聯聚黨案締結協議處理及監督條例草案請選案：採訊委員會見你請回交內政委員會審查：宣准外幣"},{"start":7724.617,"end":7743.37,"text":"無異通告下案第171案本院台灣民眾黨黨團聯聚海洋貿易法草案精選案採訊委員會見理情會交內政委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通告下案第172案本院台灣民眾黨黨團聯聚所得稅法第17條條務修正草案精選案採訊委員會見理情會交財政委員會審查宣讀完畢"},{"start":7747.097,"end":7774.094,"text":"吾意通過下一案第1期3案北院臺灣民眾黨黨團聯聚．國軍老舊眷村改建條例第3條條文修正常勤審案﹐朝修院會見李景輝將外交及國防委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢吾意通過下一案第1期4案司法院行政院罕行審議﹐刑事訴訟法第70條注意第245條及第245條注意條文修正常案﹐朝修院會見李景輝將司法及法徵委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢"},{"start":7774.775,"end":7802.012,"text":"無異通告下案第175案當陸委員會函收臺灣與澳門避免航空企業雙重課稅協議一百十二年第四季及下半年全勝報告財修委員會見議請回交內政委員會處理宣讀完畢無異通告下案第176案行政院函為修正檢舉違反《強迫擔藥刀藉管制條例》案件給請問法第3條附表財修委員會見議請回交內政委員會宣讀完畢無異通告下案"},{"start":7802.659,"end":7820.304,"text":"第1期7案 內俱穆罕松今年將用易化石油氣燃燒事業者資料宣佈作業辦法 財修委員會屆理行會交內政委員會 宣讀完畢無異通告下案第1期8案 內俱穆罕松修政國有耕地放租實施辦法 第三條及第15條條文財修委員會屆理行會交內政委員會 宣讀完畢"},{"start":7823.665,"end":7844.905,"text":"會議通過下案。第179案．內駐武漢省外國人．申請永久居留無不留宿行任意標準．查詢委員會建立請回交內建委員會．宣讀完畢。會議通過下案。第180案．內駐武漢維修省外國人．停留、居留及永久居留辦法．查詢委員會建立請回交內建委員會．宣讀完畢。會議通過下案。"},{"start":7845.407,"end":7850.899,"text":"第18議案 內政部凱文修正入職國際移民法施行性責部分條文 強修委員會見 內政委員會 宣讀外幣"},{"start":7854.269,"end":7875.665,"text":"補一通過下一案第182案內政部橫送人口分域被害人及疑似人口分域被害人協助辦法柴樹園會建立請回交內政委員會宣討完畢補一通過下一案第1832案內政部橫文內政部入出國際移民署實施滅騰辦法明確修正委內政部移民署實施滅騰辦法並促進條文柴樹園會建立請回交內政委員會宣討完畢"},{"start":7878.595,"end":7892.001,"text":"無異議通過下案第1842海洋物流會國防部海外修正海洋污染涉及軍事事務檢查建立辦法求衆院會見你請回交內政務教及國防海洋物流會宣討完畢無異議通過下案"},{"start":7892.472,"end":7902.457,"text":"第1852 國家發展委員會 函宋 等案管理人員專業認證考試收費標準 陳秀燕會見你請回交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢。第1862 經濟部海維修站電子遊戲機及電子遊戲場管理分法 第三條及第四條條文 陳秀燕會見你請回交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7913.903,"end":7924.896,"text":"無異議通過下案第187案 農業牧海維修站羽陽漁業條例第17條定向鎖定與我國相互執行公海等簡直國家及指定船舶陳秀妍會見請回交經濟委員會宣布完畢無異議通過下案"},{"start":7928.817,"end":7938.068,"text":"第188案 農業部海委協政院農業委員會﹐桃園區農業改良廠﹐辦理農藥田間事業收費標準明簽修正委﹐農業部桃園區農業改良廠﹐辦理農藥田間事業收費標準明修正條文﹐強修委員會見﹐立即回交經濟委員會﹐宣傳完畢"},{"start":7948.295,"end":7973.006,"text":"第1892 農業部行為行政院農業委員會續產試驗所﹐四量化驗項目及收費標準﹐名稱修正為﹐農業部續產試驗所﹐四量化驗項目及收費標準﹐並修正條文﹐朝修委員會見你請回交經濟委員會﹐宣讀完畢第1902 教育部行為修正特殊教育法實行七則﹐朝修委員會見你請回交教育及文化委員會﹐宣讀完畢"},{"start":7974.83,"end":7991.553,"text":"第19議案 教育部橫圍各教育階段身心障礙學生﹐轉嫌輔導及服務辦法﹐名稱修正為﹐各教育階段身心障礙學生與幼兒﹐轉嫌輔導及服務辦法﹐並修正條文。陳書遠會見 議請回交教育界文化委員會 宣讀完畢"},{"start":7992.213,"end":8014.174,"text":"不議通過下一案第192案教育部行為高級中等校學校設計教育學生就讀普通班堅守班級人順或提供人力資源與協助辦法明稱修正為高級中等校學校設計教育學生就讀普通班調整班級人順或提供人力資源及協助辦法並修正條文採訊委員會見議請回交教育及文化委員會宣讀"},{"start":8015.031,"end":8040.858,"text":"無異通過下一案第193案教育部海維修政、教育部特殊教育學校﹐設立變更、停辦合併及人員編制標準﹐採訊委員會間、理性會教、教育及文化委員會﹐宣布完畢無異通過下一案第194案教育部海維修政、教育部特殊教育學生鑑定及救學輔導委會﹐組織及運作辦法﹐採訊委員會間、理性會教、教育及文化委員會﹐宣布完畢無異通過下一案"},{"start":8041.394,"end":8053.951,"text":"第1952 教育部衡文特殊教育學生生素服務辦法明確修正文特殊教育學生及幼兒生素服務方法並修正條文採討院會見面請回教育教育及文化委員會宣讀完畢"},{"start":8056.584,"end":8072.497,"text":"第196案 教育部橫維勾起中等校學校特殊教育推行委員會﹐設置辦法明確修正為﹐教育部主管制勾起中等校學校﹐特殊教育推行委員會﹐設置辦法並修正條文﹐朝修委員會建立請回交究極文化委員會。宣傳完畢。"},{"start":8074.383,"end":8092.064,"text":"第197案 教育部行為勾結中等校學校辦理特殊教育方案及補助獎勵辦法明確修正為 教育部管制勾結中等校學校辦理特殊教育方案實施辦法並修正條文 責修院會見 禮請回交教育局文化委員會宣傳完畢"},{"start":8092.725,"end":8116.973,"text":"無異同顧下案第19方案 教育部函為高級中等校學校身心專業學生﹐就讀普通班之教學原則及輔導辦法﹐名稱修正為﹐教育部主管之高級中等校學校身心專業學生﹐就讀普通班之教學原則及輔導辦法﹐並修正第一條、第二條及第四條條文。財修院會見你請回交教育及文化委員會。宣讀完畢無異同顧下案"},{"start":8117.608,"end":8136.307,"text":"第199案 教育部橫送教育部主管制勾結中等以下學校﹐辦理多元自由教育方案﹐補助及獎勵辦法﹐查証院會見你請回交教育及文化委員會。宣讀完畢。無異同國寫案。第200案 教育部橫維勾等教育階段學校﹐辦理"},{"start":8138.379,"end":8150.826,"text":"特殊教育專責單位設置及﹐人員經用辦法﹐名稱修正為﹐高等教育階段學校﹐特殊教育專責單位與資源教育設置及﹐專責人員經用辦法﹐並修正條文。求修院會見。"},{"start":8156.141,"end":8182.791,"text":"第20議案行政院主席總署橫頌本院通過行政院橫頌業績簽署之《駐美國台北經濟文化代表處與美國在台協會關於台灣與美國間貿易協定中英文本影本案》通過附帶決議締發項書面報告財修院會見你請回交經濟內政、外交警務方財修院司法及法學社會福利及衛生環境的六位委員會宣讀完畢本案臺灣民眾黨黨團提議改交審查"},{"start":8186.36,"end":8195.543,"text":"我們就交經濟、內政、外交及國防、財政、司法及法治、社會福利及衛生環境六委員會審查。"},{"start":8211.892,"end":8238.496,"text":"五一通過下案。第203案。環境部核總本院決定國家環境研究院組織法通過附帶決議之說明。陳修揚會見理情會交司法企劃至社會福利及衛生環境的兩位委員會。宣讀完畢。五一通過下案。第204案。環境部核總本院決定環境部組織法通過附帶決議。第三項之辦理進行陳修揚會見理情會交司法企劃至社會福利及衛生環境的兩位委員會。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":8239.639,"end":8264.862,"text":"無異通告下案第205案環境部函送本院決定環境部組織法﹐通過附帶決議第五項之辦理清新﹐採取委員會見面﹐請換交司法及法律社會福利及物質環境兩位委員會﹐宣讀完畢無異通告下案第206案環境部函送本院決定環境部組織法﹐通過附帶決議第七項之辦理清新﹐採取委員會見面﹐請換交司法及法律社會福利及物質環境兩位委員會﹐宣讀完畢"},{"start":8266.903,"end":8279.133,"text":"第207案衛生福利部韓送本院修正交停暴力防止法部份條文通過附帶決議第二項書面報告朝修委員會見議請會交社會福利及衛生環境司法及法治兩委員會宣讀完畢"},{"start":8279.758,"end":8305.772,"text":"無異通過下一案第20方案行政院函送民國一百十二年災害防救買賓書陳修緣會見您請回交內政委員會宣准買賓無異通過下一案第209案密國家安全局函送國家情報工作一百十二年度總結報告陳修緣會見您請回交外交及國防委員會宣准買賓本案國民黨黨團提議改交審查我們就交"},{"start":8307.642,"end":8312.864,"text":"外交及國防委員會審查下一案本案臺灣民眾黨黨團提議改交審查我們就交財政委員會審查下一案"},{"start":8334.198,"end":8354.006,"text":"第21宴案國家金融安定基金管理委員會涵搜國家金融安定基金111年度進場執行安定任務及事故相關說明,財政委員會建立行會叫財政委員會,宣讀為閉本案臺灣民眾黨黨團提議改交審查我們就叫財政委員會審查下一案"},{"start":8355.322,"end":8383.451,"text":"第212案國家通訊傳播委員會涵送111年通訊傳播即將報告﹐財訊委員會兼理情會交交通委員會﹐宣讀完畢本案臺灣民眾黨黨團提議改交審查﹐我們就交交通委員會審查下一案第213案司法院涵送112年司法院所屬機關﹐通訊監傳業務統計聯邦﹐財訊委員會兼理情會交司法執法支援委員會﹐宣讀完畢"},{"start":8384.588,"end":8411.531,"text":"本案臺灣民眾黨黨團提議改交審查我們就交司法及法制委員會審查下一案第214案環境武漢送111年水污染防治方案執行清新財修院會見立行會交由社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣讀完畢異議通過報告院會第215案至第342案請依序宣讀其中第225"},{"start":8412.796,"end":8414.537,"text":"236、237、239、242、309到313及323案國民黨黨團提議改交審查第219、221、224、225、229、234、243至245、250、252至256"},{"start":8434.417,"end":8436.318,"text":"259、260、265、273至275、277、278、283、294、302、306至309、311至313、317、327、332案台灣民眾黨黨團提議改交審查。第293、297、298、300案"},{"start":8460.765,"end":8485.97,"text":"臺灣民眾黨黨團提議退回程序委員會重新提出。第332案委員廖先祥等9人提議退回程序委員會重新提出。宣讀後以上提案除退回程序委員會重新提出外其他均改交相關委員會審查其餘議案均照程序委員會意見通過。請問院會有無異議。"},{"start":8488.103,"end":8499.89,"text":"無異,宣讀後通過,請宣讀。第215案 內全部第224案道路委員會第225案 不到當場樹立委員會第226案及第227案原住民族委員會第228案客家委員會第229案中央選舉委員會第230案 海洋委員會第236案密 及第237案 國防部第240案 國軍退群官兵輔導委員會"},{"start":8515.78,"end":8522.724,"text":"第24案 前務委員會第243案 具體255案 經濟部第256案 具體258案 農業部第259案 具體260案 國家發展委員會第261案 具體263案 公平交易委員會第264案 具體268案 財政部第269案 中央銀行"},{"start":8533.829,"end":8558.984,"text":"第270案 集體271案 行政院主計從處第272案 集體279案 金融監督管理委員會第280案 教育部第281案 集體283案 文化部第284案 集體286案 國家科學及技術委員會第287案 衡量安全委員會第288案 集體289案 國立部公保務院第290案 集體290案 交通部第297案 集體298案 行政院公共工程委員會"},{"start":8559.784,"end":8589.444,"text":"第299案及第300案國家通訊傳播委員會第301案國家輸出安全調查委員會第302案及第308案書委發展部第309案總統府第310案考新院秘書長第311案監小院秘書長第312案司法院第313案法務部第314案國事部案第315案及第319案衛生福利部第320案及第321案環境部第322案及第311案行政院"},{"start":8589.964,"end":8617.645,"text":"第3、3、2案農業部,第3、4、3案決定3、3、5案立法院秘書長,第3、3、0案決定3、4、1案司法院,第3、4、2案檢證院人事行政總署,海外110年度相關影像,113年度相關影像,113年度中央建國總算等預算權益,分別解送相關報告。宣讀完畢。報告院會,第3、4、3案以下請一併宣讀,宣讀後,"},{"start":8619.167,"end":8620.648,"text":"均准予備查請宣讀"},{"start":8648.103,"end":8673.101,"text":"報告院會現在進行討論事項第一案本院國民黨黨團建請院會決議：立即停止調整電價：並要求行政院責成相關部會即刻檢討現行能源政策：並提出因應對策與配套措施一案請議事人員宣讀提案內容"},{"start":8674.551,"end":8675.452,"text":"有當請公決案。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":8704.11,"end":8723.42,"text":"依照立法院職權行使法第8條第3項之規定本案經提案人說明提案子趣﹐大體討論後及議決交付審查或禁負二讀或不予審議請提案黨團、國民黨黨團代表、副委員昆齊說明提案子趣"},{"start":8736.656,"end":8763.234,"text":"主席、各位同仁、全國的各位鄉親我們以非常沉重的心情在這裡表達執政黨即將在4月1號對全國國人再次做全面的清洗跟剝削用漲電價的方式讓全國國人口袋裡的錢再次納入民進黨的國庫"},{"start":8766.877,"end":8792.822,"text":"最抗議的這樣的決心來表達必須要擋下民進黨一意孤行的漲電價這樣的一個行為在過去8年蔡總統不斷的表達台灣不缺電台灣絕對不會漲電價台灣可以用愛發電但是這幾年下來我們看到"},{"start":8793.803,"end":8808.767,"text":"不只多次的漲電價：前後漲幅到達35%：而且不是在今年4月1號要做全面調漲：影響的幅度高達1340萬戶：這幾乎是全國的鄉親都要面對這次民進黨的洗劫"},{"start":8815.885,"end":8842.844,"text":"而讓全國國人的荷包不只要縮水更嚴重的是帶動整體的物價這個傷害到我們的產業以及所有我們所有的壽星族所有的全國國人都要面對物價大幅上漲的壓力所以中央銀行已經表示要升息這是懼怕面對通貨膨脹的怪獸"},{"start":8844.844,"end":8865.697,"text":"我們看看這一次的漲價幾乎是全國國人無一倖免包括330度以下最基本的民生用電依然要受到政府的剝削我們看看過去10年台電的盈虧從103年到112年跟全國的國人來做報告"},{"start":8871.175,"end":8877.776,"text":"在103年,台電是139億的盈餘,104年是636億的盈餘,105年是425億的盈餘,106年是198億的盈餘,107年是305億的盈餘,108年是160億的盈餘,109年是240億的盈餘,110年是225億的盈餘,"},{"start":8899.921,"end":8920.339,"text":"但是民進黨錯誤的能源政策卻要全國國人痛苦的來承擔民進黨一切的過錯包括在111年所謂全力的啟動風力發電以及太陽能光電發電"},{"start":8922.349,"end":8928.59,"text":"而且讓我們的核電族裔來觀察在民國111年造成2264億台電的損失112年2785億台電的損失全國的國人全國的鄉親民進黨政府從去年2023年到2024年經過了多次的補助"},{"start":8954.08,"end":8978.111,"text":"臺電包括一千第一次一千五百億的補助臺電第二次一千億補助臺電再加上特別預算五百億來補助臺電現在即將又要再拿一千億以上來補助臺電所以把全國國人的國庫來掏空讓我們再留子孫"},{"start":8979.738,"end":8993.446,"text":"短短兩年要三千億、四千億的來補助台電的這個損失我們今天是體系全民的生活如此的艱困貧富差距如此的懸殊當我們看到"},{"start":8994.551,"end":9020.287,"text":"台南88槍的槍擊案光天化日之下再接著下來又是10槍的槍擊案再過來是當街的爆頭槍殺案就是為了光電巨大的利益民進黨政府到底跟多少光電業者來做深層的勾結貪贓謀法就要叫全國的國人來承擔所有一切的後果"},{"start":9021.067,"end":9033.179,"text":"政府錯誤的政策比一切都還要可怕我們完全拒絕民進黨要全民來承擔我們不只要動漲電價還要修電業法49條讓未來所有的漲電價必須經過全國國人的同意好 謝謝現在進行大體討論"},{"start":9045.7,"end":9051.541,"text":"每位委員時間3分鐘請王委員宏威發言並截止登記發言"},{"start":9070.071,"end":9080.452,"text":"主席、各位委員今天國民黨提出提案要動漲電價主要是苦民所苦"},{"start":9081.212,"end":9109.986,"text":"因為在行政院主計處已經公布在去年的實質薪資因為物價上漲的壓力之下去年的實質薪資出現了過去7年來的一個負成長這也代表就是我們一直希望能夠改善人民的收入不管是提高基本工資也好或者軍工教條性也好但是其結果都被物價吃掉了"},{"start":9110.666,"end":9121.502,"text":"所以在這樣的一個狀況之下現在還要全面的調漲電價不只調漲工業用電而且民生用電也不放過"},{"start":9122.901,"end":9145.035,"text":"全部的平均調漲的幅度高達11%我們現在看到因為要調漲電價現在呢物價蠢動如果以我們很多的租屋族來說現在你到租屋族的網站每一度電價都由原來的每度電5塊錢調高到6塊錢了到了夏季預計還會調高到7塊錢"},{"start":9150.117,"end":9170.17,"text":"那麼這些租屋族光是因為電價調整還沒有調整四月才要調整現在他到網站上電價他的租金就已經開始調整更不要說現在很多的大眾運輸尤其這些城市的捷運以台北市捷運而言"},{"start":9171.25,"end":9185.907,"text":"臺北市的臺北市結業公司在去年的調漲就已經他的支出超過3億元今年再這樣的大幅調漲他超過5億元所以現在很多的大眾運輸還有客運業者"},{"start":9188.598,"end":9202.583,"text":"別說國道客運已經向交通部提出了漲價的方案再來我們的醫院現在很多的醫院診所現在掛號費也可能漲價"},{"start":9203.763,"end":9212.506,"text":"今天我們的經濟部告訴大家說你要做一個聰明的用電人有時間電價我想請問一下烤麵包有時間電價對於很多的診所跟醫院來講你動手術還要挑時間的嗎"},{"start":9221.31,"end":9236.884,"text":"所以在這樣的狀況之下我們希望能夠苦民所苦我們不要跟著因為現在的政府錯誤的能源政策而導致一個現在的電價失速列車"},{"start":9238.205,"end":9251.897,"text":"這兩年大家已經看到每一次調漲電價都造成我們的物價的波動跟物價上漲的壓力更何況這一次的調漲電價的幅度是更高於以往所以在這樣的狀況之下我們當然要求應該全面的動盪、鋪路、鑼鼓人民不能再過這個日子人民也不應該再繼續的去搭這個電價"},{"start":9266.76,"end":9291.4,"text":"好 謝謝下一位請黃仁委員發言哈囉喂謝主席本席"},{"start":9295.174,"end":9307.572,"text":"先問三個問題電價真的非漲不可嗎民進黨政府錯誤的能源政策最後卻要全民買單那"},{"start":9311.154,"end":9320.416,"text":"雲報、能源賺得飽飽人民荷包被掏空這樣對得起人民嗎?我們講一個最簡單的數據57.1%我們的物價、油價的電價全民不滿54.5%打擊詐騙的保障民眾的財產有54.5%的不滿"},{"start":9338.752,"end":9365.363,"text":"另外在貧富的差距之下有49.3%那還有食安最近所發生的食安安全的問題有47.4%所以等等這樣的一個執政的不利造成我們全民買單那請問一下蔡總統曾經說過十年之內不會占電價"},{"start":9367.044,"end":9374.168,"text":"結果變成了任內共調整的4次分別為2018年3%、2022年8.4%、2023年11%到現在準備4月份要漲價的11%"},{"start":9386.775,"end":9393.96,"text":"所以民進黨政府的誠信淡然無存在蔡政府的領導之下我國實質的薪資實際上已呈現的負成長"},{"start":9398.624,"end":9421.858,"text":"2023年減幅高達1.04%而全民通膨率高達2.49%民眾生活艱困可想而知苦民所苦不應該為執政者最基本的要求為什麼這個政府如此的不顧人民的需求"},{"start":9422.558,"end":9447.439,"text":"所以國民黨在這一次提案的目的很單純第一動漲先行動漲民眾的痛苦第二誠信檢討能源政策讓國家經濟展現回歸到正常希望利用各黨派能夠進行都能夠支持本席再次強調電價調漲牽涉到層面非常的廣所以"},{"start":9451.662,"end":9475.621,"text":"今天我們要考慮到不得不輕易的調漲但民進黨政府卻把調漲當作是台電的萬靈丹對於錯誤的能源政策才是導致台電虧損的真正原因應該民進黨針對能源政策要全面檢討向國人道歉以上"},{"start":9477.108,"end":9504.932,"text":"好謝謝下一位請林思明委員發言好謝謝副院長各位委員我想民進黨執政8年以來是史上電價漲幅最高的政府"},{"start":9506.555,"end":9531.098,"text":"2016年蔡英文總統承諾台灣人民．電價10年不會大幅上漲．而如今電價漲幅高達35%．是欺騙人民嗎．因此國民黨團提案修改電源法．未來調漲電價．要從現行的經濟部自行修改費率．並核定公告．改為需經立法院同意才可以實施。"},{"start":9532.829,"end":9541.772,"text":"這樣才可以有效監督：避免經濟部任意調漲：由少數來獨斷。前幾天經濟部的電價費率審議會：開會決議自4月1日開始：到今年的9月：調漲下半年的電價：漲幅高達11%"},{"start":9554.321,"end":9577.986,"text":"過去民進黨一再強調民生用電小戶絕不會有調漲計劃但現在連民生用電330度以下也不再動漲將調漲3%過去民進黨的委員也一再的反對電價的調漲但是現在卻不支持我們國民黨提案這個電價動漲"},{"start":9581.007,"end":9606.252,"text":"可以說過去在野的民進黨打臉現在執政的民進黨政府民服其實的是執政就換了腦袋我想今年消費者的物價指數主技術及央行預估將達到百分之二點多以上但恐怕是低估為了抑制通膨央行也進行了預防性的升息所以經濟部"},{"start":9608.983,"end":9628.718,"text":"調漲電價的舉措：將加重民眾的負擔：也加劇台灣整體物價指數的善良：導致民生痛苦的指數即刻飆升：本席要在這裡呼籲行政院：一定不能漠視民生：一意孤行：更要苦民所苦：體系民情動漲電價："},{"start":9630.97,"end":9641.52,"text":"台電高達3826億元的虧損：實在是照應於廢除核能：提升綠能以及天然氣能源的配比錯誤政策所導致"},{"start":9643.019,"end":9661.04,"text":"這不但造成電價上漲與碳排的不利副作用而且政府還要用超增稅說去年是一千億今年預估也要以一千五百億來補貼台電電價還要大幅的調漲等於剝奪了全民兩次皮"},{"start":9661.781,"end":9676.177,"text":"本席要求行政院應該檢討現行能源政策並提出配套措施。我們呼籲朝野立委共同支持國民黨的提案,動漲電價,減輕人民的生活壓力負擔。"},{"start":9696.598,"end":9718.459,"text":"民進黨蔡英文錯誤的能源政策：最後由全民來扛：民進黨錯誤的能源政策：跟錯誤的能源發配的配比：台電虧損將近4000億左右：不但造成我們的電價上漲：全國更有過去三次無預警的全國大停電"},{"start":9719.46,"end":9738.816,"text":"火力全開更是造成全民健康上的大的影響更何況我們過去的幾年蔡英文長期強調的我們要用綠能發電但是我們都知道過去在整個台電的發電我們的綠能低碳能的配比事實上只有16.86我們企業界"},{"start":9742.421,"end":9756.65,"text":"更認為更擔心的是臺灣的電力到底足不足夠每年夏季用電也好我們人民更要擔心今年到底會不會會不會跳電會不會缺電這就是台電"},{"start":9757.851,"end":9786.258,"text":"提供給我們國人企業界我們所有用電的品質民進黨執政8年的結果能源政策窮的只剩下大漲電價還有要我們用愛發電用國人的肺來發電蔡英文過去說這是經濟20年最好的時刻我們的股市上了2萬多點曾經的人回答問我們大家說我們高不高興我敢說"},{"start":9787.378,"end":9807.67,"text":"股市上兩萬點我們的外資佔了44%台積電外資佔了將近七成左右大多數的國人都是領一份死薪水電力在漲的結果只有造成我們過去連續三年人民的實質薪資已經倒退"},{"start":9808.49,"end":9833.161,"text":"明年更會因為我們這一次的這個物價通膨的關係所以人民薪資恐怕也會持續倒退過去這幾年包括我們貧富差距也是過去11年來最大包括人民的總薪資是過去7年來的負成長這些都已經凸顯出過去在民進黨執政底下的8年"},{"start":9834.964,"end":9858.331,"text":"講的經濟最好的時刻但是人民世上過的是苦不堪言民進黨的執政在這一次在持續的漲電價這不是傲慢什麼叫做傲慢這不是無能什麼叫做無能這一次經濟部講漲電價有兩個最主要的理由一個是台電長期的虧損我剛才已經講了過去連續兩年我們都各撥補一千億"},{"start":9859.591,"end":9881.244,"text":"另外一個理由是國際的能源價格持續的上漲我必須要提我們現在台電的發電無論是燃煤或燃氣其實都佔台電的所有八成左右但是我們這個燃煤天然氣也好或燃料的煤氣的價格事實上在2023年第一季其實都已經回到"},{"start":9899.07,"end":9901.192,"text":"好,謝謝下一位請陳金輝委員發言"},{"start":9915.464,"end":9929.901,"text":"主席、各位委員、各位國人這次漲價政府告訴我們台電虧損太嚴重但大家心知肚明罪魁禍首就是民進黨錯誤的能源政策"},{"start":9931.082,"end":9945.861,"text":"過去8年民進黨政府為了搪塞自己無法兌現的綠能支票大肆用台電的預算購買綠電在全國推動大重電計劃曾經台灣有最美麗的濕地"},{"start":9947.182,"end":9967.47,"text":"山林、田園、海岸線現在山也是光電板海也是光電板請問當我們把原有翁綠的森林通通趕掉鋪成光電板還叫綠能嗎當厚重的光電板在退潮時全部壓在潮尖帶上也叫綠能嗎"},{"start":9969.191,"end":9989.313,"text":"當政府一邊喊著關懷鄉土﹐支持農漁業﹐結果我們農村的農田、埤塘還有漁池﹐通通都變成了光點板﹐這樣還叫永續嗎?未來我們的孩子﹐看不到優美的生態﹐只會看到黑面疲勞與怪獸在爭地﹐"},{"start":9990.194,"end":10014.421,"text":"海邊沒有衝浪板只有光電板政府還大言不慚地告訴我們說這樣可以增進生態的多樣性簡直是荒謬至極啊我要跟各位報告這些滿坑滿谷的光電板只蓋了三分之一啊還有兩萬五千公頃要鋪到時候光電板將成為台灣最醜的風景"},{"start":10017.529,"end":10032.422,"text":"蔡政府用超過核能成本價數倍的價格購買綠電：地方上假養殖、假種田、真種電的爭議頻傳：最終所有的負債：卻要人民來承擔：必須調漲電費"},{"start":10034.468,"end":10054.596,"text":"更誇張的是這些綠電收購弊案頻傳有些能源公司甚至幾年內大賺百億清綠的特定企業政府公權綠與地方勢力共購成為綠能複合體然後這些公司再把政治現金回捐給民進黨"},{"start":10056.448,"end":10084.259,"text":"民進黨政府打著綠能的口號：卻是慷全國人民的愷：打老百姓的結：肥自己的金庫：最終漲價竟然還是全民承擔：錯誤的政策：不但誤國：還用來圖利：因此國民黨團提案：要求政府重新檢討能源政策之前：不准漲價：一定要終結這種利益輸送的惡性循環。謝謝"},{"start":10087.622,"end":10115.996,"text":"好 謝謝下一位請謝龍介委員發言錯誤的能源政策造成了今天國庫被掏空"},{"start":10117.486,"end":10145.176,"text":"很多民進黨的好朋友：我們的同仁：說抱歉沒啊：叫人家聽他講幾句啊整個太陽能光電是如何掏空我們的國庫在所有的綠能片布我的故鄉台南竟然佔了全國的三分之一三分之一啦片底都是太陽聯邦"},{"start":10146.431,"end":10170.127,"text":"在全球所有部署到底無親台電會先固定?只要我一個營空一個7個110平方公里太陽能光電就佔了15平方公里你自己想想看有沒有空?如果這些錢沒有被掏空你今天再來跟我討論要漲電價"},{"start":10172.691,"end":10194.751,"text":"各位想一想不但開了88槍開槍是以工程的大小小工程開10槍大利益開88槍檢調沒在看嗎有 有在辦司法委員會應該到南檢去給他鼓勵鼓勵檢察官開始要偵辦"},{"start":10196.837,"end":10224.512,"text":"在檢察官沒有查出來以前現在承辦的業務單位局長接受性招待被收押一審二審都判了但那不是光電真正掌控在他手上通過500多案的光電開花還沒有釐清廠商也被收押承辦的也被收押市長也被找來問話"},{"start":10226.445,"end":10252.822,"text":"到底能追回幾億幾億的不法所得?阿唔哉!尤其這裡能要回五百一千億那為什麼要漲電價?本席建議啊在檢調還沒有釐清這些犯罪所得以前電價不可以給我們去啊!國庫掏空!你要對人民負責這麼困難的負責落地啊!喝來補!台灣的鄉親啊!"},{"start":10256.92,"end":10279.745,"text":"你感動得了嗎?你感動得了嗎?過去國民黨執政拜登、美國、蔡英文總統、蘇貞昌議員﹑包括很多民進黨委員都美國因為他們靠命所扣。今天我提供他們的執政,他說他抱歉了嗎?叫我當下替他們說幾句話,說我現在這個政府、說我老百姓!"},{"start":10283.545,"end":10287.829,"text":"電價如果不動漲：台灣變色絕對的棋盤：奉勸民進黨：你們給我二口熱情的酒酒鹹白咖好 謝謝下一位請徐宇珍委員發言"},{"start":10321.327,"end":10334.933,"text":"主席主席及各位同仁大家好民進黨執政八年的期間電價已經第四次調漲民生用電的漲幅"},{"start":10335.612,"end":10356.539,"text":"已經超過35%工業用電的漲幅更高達45%導致物價翻漲2015年9月蔡英文明明說10年不漲電價為什麼蔡英文執政8年卻已經調漲了4次電價最吊詭的地方是2022年全球因惡霧戰爭導致燃料的價格飆漲"},{"start":10359.13,"end":10384.603,"text":"台電當年的發購電的燃料支出為6163億元創下率是最高但是2023年全球的天然氣煤價都下跌了30%到50%但台電當年的發購電的燃料支出竟然還是高達6100億元燃料的價格大跌30%但台電的燃料支出卻只減少1%"},{"start":10387.018,"end":10395.869,"text":"這個數字、統計數字說實在連我學統計的都看不懂在從政府購買風電跟光電的支出來看2018年僅花費了72.9億2022年的花費僅"},{"start":10401.26,"end":10407.342,"text":"588億而2023年更花費了900億短短的5年間﹐台電花費購買風電、光電的費用﹐就成長了12倍。臺電累積虧損近4000億﹐不但是錯誤的能源政策造成﹐還有經營管理不善的問題臺電虧損連連﹐卻有一群綠油友因風電、光電而春風滿面"},{"start":10428.447,"end":10454.994,"text":"他們很幸運的搭上了這班錯誤能源政策的順風車每年從台電賺走幾百億元各個賺的口袋滿滿有些準備公司上市有些是賣股拿錢換手躲插器唯有國家吃虧結果是全民買單綠油油利用錯誤的能源政策對全民合法搶劫我們全民呢是勒緊褲帶過日子只有他們發大財"},{"start":10456.601,"end":10471.89,"text":"因為電價漲：中央銀行對今年的消費者物價指數CPI年增率也從1.89大幅的上修到2.16%為了抑制國內通膨的一個預期心理竟而無預警的升息半碼"},{"start":10472.91,"end":10500.969,"text":"民事電價調漲所帶來的物價衝擊是無可避免我國已經連續三年的通膨都超過2%最近兩年的國內消費者物價上漲的力道是自2009年金融海嘯以來最大此時調漲電價也將加劇整體物價的上揚導致民生的痛苦指數飆升請行政院不要再默示我們的困境苦民所苦立即停止調漲電價謝謝"},{"start":10504.93,"end":10506.531,"text":"賴清德是你下令4月漲電價的嗎賴清德"},{"start":10531.567,"end":10542.132,"text":"你為什麼不等520上任之後再仔細研議漲電價賴清德你在急什麼你在怕什麼"},{"start":10543.234,"end":10562.984,"text":"你是想把漲電價的責任推給看守擺爛的成見人還是你害怕我們一生監督賴清德藝人的謝榮介你520上任之後你禁不起他的監督所以你要趕在4月趕快來拆炸彈是這個意思嗎"},{"start":10564.505,"end":10589.273,"text":"我要告訴大家今天我們主張動漲電價賴清德不要誤會啊我是幫助賴清德啊因為陳建仁擺爛王美花幹話連連你發現現在民怨民苦越來越高在這個時候難道多等一個月會要你賴清德的命嗎"},{"start":10591.104,"end":10613.398,"text":"我們的貧富差距：我質詢主計長：他親口承認越來越高我們的實質薪水越來越低我們物價不斷上漲現在你要漲電價請問你漲電價的配套方案你做好了嗎最近你們那位丟臉的經濟部長王美花"},{"start":10614.724,"end":10642.195,"text":"出來所展現的一切幹話都是證明了你們根本沒有準備好嘛你沒有準備好嘛當遇到物價上漲我們在質詢王美花她竟然跟你講說什麼她說這個漲電價不可以當作漲物價的理由哇天啊原來物價控制這麼簡單啊所以我們電價上漲經濟部的意思是要動漲物價嗎"},{"start":10644.977,"end":10673.029,"text":"然後開始要講到對於民生的衝擊這個我們的王美花人家是巧婦難為無米之炊啊王美花是我們美花可為無電烘焙啊亂搞一通什麼門市一度一天漲兩塊一個月60塊真的拜託王美花我當然去跑透通找不到啊我很痛苦啊"},{"start":10675.016,"end":10695.018,"text":"門市光門市單門市的也超過700度啊更重要是這什麼奇怪的經濟部問台電跟問主計長都聽不懂啊也就算門市真的給你好運找到一家700度以下門市的麵包不是從工廠來的工廠不用烤箱嗎莫名其妙嘛"},{"start":10695.999,"end":10715.495,"text":"所以我們可以看到今天光一個漲價的因應措施你民進黨都沒準備好我給你賴清德時間動場之後賴清德上來好好準備啊讓我們國昌兄來質詢一下好 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謝謝下一位我們請劉許廷委員質詢 啊 發言"},{"start":10953.357,"end":10970.352,"text":"好 謝謝主席這本期今天表達電價上漲的三不可為第一不可叫做產業聯動通貨膨脹本期在這邊利用時間說明電價上漲的影響是全面性的而物價的漲幅最終一定遠遠超過電價的漲幅"},{"start":10972.293,"end":10986.542,"text":"這是因為電價的上漲影響的是整條產業鏈我們以餐飲業為例來說明一條產業鏈包含上游原物料、中游加工食品、下游餐飲連鎖其中還包含冷凍、倉儲運輸各種產業"},{"start":10989.924,"end":11009.898,"text":"這些產業通通要承受電價上漲的結果而每一層都有成本轉嫁的可能性而人民作為最終結束的消費端將承擔整條產業鏈的壓力而最後反映在消費物價的漲幅當然會遠高電價漲幅這是其一不可"},{"start":11010.678,"end":11033.639,"text":"第二不可叫看守內閣不應專善新的總統新的內閣對於電價這樣子的調整幅度他們同意嗎對於這中間的配套宣傳他們有沒有新的看法新的政府新的內閣有沒有責任跟義務提出說明調整政策負起更多的責任"},{"start":11034.62,"end":11061.977,"text":"這些東西都沒有任何的答案而由看守內閣來獨斷專行這真的是好的民主品質嗎?第三不可叫做溝通不良、詐騙人民啊!行政院用極端的例子當成通案去做宣傳讓全國鄉親嘩然用烘焙坊低於700度用電電價上漲每日兩元的搞笑圖卡"},{"start":11062.957,"end":11088.042,"text":"讓全國鄉親非常憤怒從頭到尾就想用美化淡化上漲衝擊避重救輕、詐騙人民從頭到尾拒絕誠實說明電價上漲對於人民生活的衝擊這樣子不誠實的行為如果我們對此沒有意見沒有態度不說清楚那我們才是真正愧對選民"},{"start":11089.554,"end":11111.716,"text":"因此這三個不可希望大家進行公決我們主張尊重民意的浪潮若我再次提醒馬上出爐的美麗島第三波的三月的國政民調人民對於物價、油價、電價的不滿意度高達57.1%而最不滿意的行政首長就是經濟部長王美花因此我們主張"},{"start":11113.097,"end":11130.443,"text":"應該尊重民意浪潮：停止錯誤決策：並且全面深切地檢討能源政策：電價動漲：希望大家可以有志一同感謝好 謝謝下一位請鍾嘉斌委員發言"},{"start":11146.54,"end":11160.459,"text":"主席在場的委員先進一個很常識性的問題當你在溪邊玩水突然大水來了怎麼辦大家第一個反應先跳到石頭上所以我們要解決問題不是逃避問題"},{"start":11162.444,"end":11175.696,"text":"電價漲不漲就像大水來不來我們沒辦法去阻止怎麼說從2020年開始尤其二五戰爭開始之後全世界發電的燃料都漲價2020年布倫特原油一桶47元2022年一桶100元"},{"start":11178.479,"end":11191.56,"text":"到2024年預估是87元?全世界所有的電廠都遇到問題燃料漲價了電價能不漲嗎?大水來了你還叫大家在原地不動嗎?不是的"},{"start":11192.418,"end":11207.864,"text":"台灣不分燃綠執政我們的發電結構燃料來源八成以上是石化燃料只不過馬英九時期是燒煤的多一點天然氣少一點所以空氣比較髒民進黨執政後大力的提高天然氣的佔比"},{"start":11208.864,"end":11231.923,"text":"燒煤的少很多天然氣的多一些空氣變得比較乾淨但是受到石化燃料進口我們依賴的程度都跟世界各國一樣既然燃料上漲成本上漲我們電費能夠不上漲嗎控制電費不上漲就好像說餐廳不能漲價結果餐廳老闆就不賣了不是你可以一起吃便宜的便當是根本沒有便當吃"},{"start":11232.623,"end":11251.188,"text":"所以政府的功能、民意代表的職責就是要解決問題解決什麼問題台灣做得很好2020年COVID-19期間台灣對全世界示範了一個做法就是我們幫助在大水來的時候當有危難來的時候我們幫助抵抗力較多的人讓他解決難關克服難關解決問題"},{"start":11253.789,"end":11275.228,"text":"什麼說當電價要上漲的時候我們讓承受力強的人承擔多一點承擔力弱的人承擔少一點簡單講高個子原地不動小朋友矮個子趕快跳到石頭上這也是全世界各國的做法不管是韓國、法國、英國都積極地將工業用電的調漲比例調高"},{"start":11276.309,"end":11303.87,"text":"以法國為例法國的工業用電調漲87%民生用電調漲49%英國工業用電調漲126%民生用電調漲70%法國是160跟22%台灣最幅度最小700度以下用電沒有超過5%工業用電大幅提升馬英九時期也是如此做法只不過在2012年那時候馬正午時期的700度以下的用戶的電價"},{"start":11305.831,"end":11328.296,"text":"比現在我們調漲後2024年700度以下用電的電價還要高所以我們要協助這些民生用電減低衝擊協助用電大戶節約用電全民共同來因應而不是一味的電費動漲不能解決問題只有差別的來協助弱勢者度過難關才是正辦好 謝謝"},{"start":11332.662,"end":11335.015,"text":"下一位請徐巧欣委員發言"},{"start":11347.885,"end":11371.989,"text":"國民黨主張要動漲電價而民進黨不斷的護航最離譜的是民進黨剛才有些委員發言的時候竟然把漲電價的事情扯回205年笑死了說得好像現在執政的是國民黨一樣誰才是真正的時空挫制呢剛才聽民進黨的委員發言還以為現在的總統叫做馬英九啊"},{"start":11373.314,"end":11395.034,"text":"為什麼要漲電費呢?如果我們真的要回到2015年當時有一個事件就談到說如果要漲電費的話是不是電價比2016年還貴多出來的部分要由民進黨的官員跟立委的薪水來補當時民進黨的立法委員吳秉瑞還留言說贊成"},{"start":11396.684,"end":11403.236,"text":"所以我們現在要漲電價了電費比2016還貴這麼多是不是大家一人一信把你的電費賬單寄給吳秉瑞"},{"start":11406.14,"end":11430.129,"text":"錯誤的能源政策去怪了惡物戰爭我們不必要預測會有惡物戰爭我們只需要知道如果世界上發生戰爭能源的這個調動幅度會很大所以我們先前早就已經預言過了我不是什麼大預言家但是世界上發生戰爭燃氣價格迅速飆漲是可以預期的事情只有民進黨沒有預測到"},{"start":11431.75,"end":11448.907,"text":"非核家園就是一個錯誤的政策主張意識形態掛帥害了人民想漲電價卻又不誠實也是很荒謬的一件事情現在政府上上下下竟然這麼荒謬的告訴我們電價漲越多人民省越多"},{"start":11449.728,"end":11470.329,"text":"是什麼樣的一個天才邏輯才會說出這樣子的話語讓人民都感覺到政府是鴕鳥心態把頭埋在沙灘裡面還叫我們要夜間烤麵包你要不要叫人民夜間生病你要不要叫醫生夜間開刀你要不要叫捷運只有夜間才能行駛你們要不要把上班時間都改成要夜間上班"},{"start":11471.85,"end":11492.858,"text":"這些狗屁不通的話竟然是來自於我們政府部門上上下下的發言的言論真的讓人民感受到非常的不可思信甚至現在漲電價是又漲電價又要稅金補貼各位人民啊我們今天漲完電價以後你多付了錢你的稅金還要額外的補貼台電"},{"start":11494.558,"end":11519.115,"text":"並不是今天漲完電價 台電就不虧損了它還是實際上一直一直一直在虧損啊最後我們要談蔡英文總統2023年的時候說電價在我們預估的10年內不會有大規模調漲的可能結果在她任內調漲幅度高達35%才沒有到10年啊才一年多而已"},{"start":11520.424,"end":11528.551,"text":"到底有沒有苦民所苦?到底能不能夠讓民生發展得好?蔡英文在卸任之前交下一張最差勁的成績單。"},{"start":11545.949,"end":11567.34,"text":"謝謝主席謝謝各位在場的委員那我在這邊做一個非常簡短的發言其實說真的在這邊有很多的區域立委那每一個人都代表自己的選區那代表自己的民意因此呢說真的當然沒有人會希望電價要漲對不對如果我們現在隨便問一個民眾說今天電費要不要漲大部分人的回答當然是不要"},{"start":11568.18,"end":11579.356,"text":"但是問題就出在這裡假設我們今天由民意以及所有的人民甚至我們乾脆公投我們說我們今天電價到底由誰來決定的時候那乾脆到最後我們電價可能就會變0元了"},{"start":11580.771,"end":11607.087,"text":"所以因此電價這件事情它本身是一個非常複雜的結構它本身有一個行政的專業那這也是為什麼對我們來講在今天行政專業之下譬如說依照電業法的規定依照電價審議委員會他們必須要邀請各式各樣不同的組織各式各樣不同的專家學者甚至包含消費團體來決定電價長什麼樣子它有電價的公式這個公式每兩年要審一次"},{"start":11607.947,"end":11613.457,"text":"所以就立法院而言我們到底能夠做什麼我們重點是要監督有沒有依法行政"},{"start":11614.352,"end":11640.722,"text":"因為今天電業今天電價它本身這個公式就是一個規則今天行政在做專業的判斷這也是一種專業我們必須予以尊重但我們必須要確保它有沒有按照法令在走所以如果我們是立法委員我們今天應該問的是什麼譬如說我們問的是專業團體到底有沒有代表性或者我們要問的是這個公式到底合不合理這才是一個專業的立法委員應該問的問題"},{"start":11642.623,"end":11658.746,"text":"所以如果說今天在這一個情形之下行政專業已經做了這一個決定結果今天在立法院我們今天就說因為我們民意所以我們現在必須要推翻行政專業的決定這個說真的在權力分立上面是完全不符合現狀的"},{"start":11659.907,"end":11675.455,"text":"那這個也是跟我們現在提出的國會改革其實非常的類似我們今天所謂的國會改革應該是立法委員遵守在這個五權分立的架構之下用法律這件事情用預算這件事情去監督所謂的行政"},{"start":11676.495,"end":11686.105,"text":"剛剛我們前面有提到有貧富差距沒有錯貧富差距確實很重要這也是為什麼行政專業在決議這件事情的時候決定要用一千億去補貼補貼什麼補貼這一些弱勢的團體我們決定繼續動場"},{"start":11692.632,"end":11712.569,"text":"那如果對於它這個動漲這件事情我們認為不合理立法院本來就有預算審核的權利嘛那我們就應該在預算這件事情來去把關那我想問我們現在是難道現在這個提案是想要去擋下這樣的預算然後讓我們的一些弱勢團體也要遭受到這一個電價上漲的這一個結果嗎"},{"start":11715.792,"end":11731.057,"text":"當然不是嘛所以我覺得應該藉著我們的奮氣去依照電業法跟審議委員會的規定去尊重專業以及用預算監督這才是正道謝謝好 謝謝下一位請范雲委員發言"},{"start":11743.861,"end":11767.277,"text":"主席還有在場的委員跟我們的媒體朋友我想今天這個議題就如同剛剛蠻多的委員發言其實可以分成實質的部分跟程序的部分那程序的部分剛剛沈伯陽委員講得很清楚那我想針對實質的部分那再談我的看法我想我們得先從一個大的一個局面跟條件跟台灣的情境來講那根據國際能源總署的統計他在2020年的統計"},{"start":11773.641,"end":11800.442,"text":"各國的電價裡面臺灣的住宅用電是全球第四低那工業用電呢是全球第六低那這其實以我們的經濟實力來講的話我們的電價真的是長期喔非常非常的低已經很久了那大家已經剛前面前面幾位都講到這兩年國際燃料的成本大漲那以2021年的資料來講的話其實日本韓國美國德國"},{"start":11801.923,"end":11824.291,"text":"各國都在調漲電費那我記得疫情解封之後我到歐洲國會交流的時候每一個國家的國會議員都在談電費上漲然後就是大家都在思考怎麼去處理就是節電的問題那我們以我們先不講歐洲影響比較大的我們以日本東京電力公司為例2022年當年他們連續兩季電費的漲幅均達三成"},{"start":11830.453,"end":11836.896,"text":"那電價結構跟我們比較接近的是韓國韓國呢他在2020年以來漲幅是87%那剛剛有委員談到核電廠那連核電廠最有名的大國法國漲幅都達160%"},{"start":11848.701,"end":11870.007,"text":"那我們回頭看台灣呢那台灣從2008年到現在16年都沒有漲那這個成本到底是實在出那我們可以知道16年都沒有漲等於是動漲那我們等於是用人民的納稅錢來全面補貼那全面補貼對家戶的話那這個部分是公平的"},{"start":11870.367,"end":11891.318,"text":"可是如果是獲利非常好的產業的話那大家可以問一下就是人民的納稅錢我們持續補貼這樣合理嗎那所以我想就是沒有人喜歡漲電價沒有一個政府想要漲電價但是呢如果我們期待政府是一個負責任的政府的話那我們要看一下這次行政院提出來的方案"},{"start":11891.678,"end":11916.596,"text":"是不是有用心那看到行政院方案是針對不同的對象有不同的條幅對家戶用電的部分影響的幅度是相對來講跟日本韓國比起來非常的低那我覺得我們可以針對條幅的部分不合理的地方大家來好好的辯論那可是若要提出全面動漲方案的話我覺得不是一個負責任的政府也是一個不是一個負責任的政黨"},{"start":11917.276,"end":11932.675,"text":"更不是一個負責任為了下一代負責任的立委所該做的事情那作為一個負責任的立委那我相信我們在行政院題的方案中合理的討論才是應該的好 謝謝下一位請吳思瑤委員發言"},{"start":11942.965,"end":11964.537,"text":"主席各位同仁大家早安國民黨一再搞錯方向把調漲電價跟電力政策錯誤畫上等號這是真的嗎錯錯錯國民黨大錯特錯這是誤導這是扭曲更是邏輯不通"},{"start":11966.478,"end":11990.471,"text":"調漲電價最主要的原因來自於國際燃料價格的飆漲．跟能源政策沒有直接關係。二污戰爭之後．國際原物料的調升．各國都在因應．台電因應它的成本提升．當然必須做出對應的處置．這是因應國際大環境之下．不得不的調整"},{"start":11991.55,"end":11995.794,"text":"看看國際各國自2021年開始紛紛都大漲電價相較於2020年韓國漲了87%法國漲了160%英國漲了126%日本、德國也都漲了三成多"},{"start":12012.25,"end":12037.299,"text":"如果帳價就是錯如果帳價就是民進黨的錯千錯萬錯都是民進黨的錯那我們要問世界各國都錯了嗎德國、法國、英國、日本、韓國等等無數個國家的執政黨都是民進黨嗎當然不是這是一個國際大環境的波動"},{"start":12038.459,"end":12044.397,"text":"負責任的政府就必須負責任地扛下責任來提出對應的政策?"},{"start":12045.984,"end":12071.454,"text":"國庫是大家的：不是藍的：不是綠的：台電是全民的：是國營事業：台電的生存經營：也是立法院一再監督：要求要有財務的橫平：要能夠永續來供電：所以電價合理化：勢在必行：我們非常感動：今天有環保團體站出來："},{"start":12073.235,"end":12086.82,"text":"他們支持讓台灣長期以來偏低的電價能夠回到合理化制度的討論所以我們在這裡要再次說我們都支持台電要因應"},{"start":12088.527,"end":12111.721,"text":"妥善地來讓民生優先：讓大戶漲得多：小戶要漲得少。我要再次強調政府在立法院提出來的各項主張能採納：一定採納：這一次用一千億來撥補台電：也針對社福機構：各級學校：乃至於社福團體都已調漲：都已動漲"},{"start":12115.283,"end":12125.469,"text":"對於社福、學校跟這些弱勢團體都予動長：所以這是政府該做的事情：全民要能夠理性來支持。謝謝"},{"start":12146.343,"end":12148.769,"text":"好謝謝今天"},{"start":12149.554,"end":12167.026,"text":"國民黨為什麼要提出電價動漲的議題?剛剛有很多委員提到說因為烏鴉戰爭所以這個全球燃料上漲所以我們要調漲電價這個理論部分正確所以2022年電價上漲8.4%2023年電價上漲了11%現在來到2024年2024年發生了什麼事?大家如果去看全球的天然氣價格"},{"start":12178.133,"end":12205.269,"text":"近一年來已經下跌了40%今年以來平均下跌了30%左右換句話說天然氣價格、國際的燃料價格正在下跌但是台電卻選擇在這個時間點來漲價那這樣也就違背了本來的理論如果說天然氣價格上漲所以我們電價要上漲是正確的那今天天然氣價格下跌那台電"},{"start":12207.01,"end":12223.891,"text":"臺電的價格理論上也應該下跌才是符合這個理論的說法所以我們今天為什麼要提出電價動漲的原因在這邊那另外提出電價動漲還有一個很重要的原因就是基於照顧民生照顧我們的貧富差距"},{"start":12225.353,"end":12250,"text":"民進黨執政8年以來留給台灣最後的成績是什麼?去年經濟成長率只有1.42是14年來最低貧富差距6.15倍是12年來最大實質經常性薪資連3年負成長全年總薪資創下11年來的最大負成長12月工業生產指數降了4%是連續19個月的負成長"},{"start":12253.041,"end":12273.306,"text":"在薪資低工業生產指數負成長的情況下面貧富差距擴大我們都很清楚電價上漲馬上帶動的就是物價上漲物價上漲衝擊最大的就是基層的民眾基層的小民連薪水都沒有漲卻在這個時候來台電來漲他的電價帶動物價上漲之後我想對於社會經濟的弱勢"},{"start":12279.347,"end":12297.211,"text":"對於社會公平正義都有很大很大的衝擊另外很多委員也提到綠電的問題我們也可以支持綠電的發展但是綠電107年電業法通過開放綠電之後這些年下來多數都是使用台電的這個經費來補貼來囤購基於電業基於電費正義的問題"},{"start":12305.033,"end":12321.918,"text":"過去這些民間的綠電業者他們是用人民的納稅錢支撐他們的成長今天他要把綠電賣給民間企業獲利全部歸他這樣完全就不符合公平正義如果今天要漲電價那拜託過去補貼綠電發展的經費應該全數回饋給台灣民眾才是電價的正義問題好 謝謝"},{"start":12335.216,"end":12359.529,"text":"登記發言委員均已發言完畢報告院會針對本案現有國民黨黨團提議近乎二讀請問院會有無異議無異議本案近乎二讀報告院會現有民進黨黨團提議交付黨團協商做以下之決議交付黨團協商並由國民黨黨團負責召集協商"},{"start":12366.677,"end":12389.729,"text":"討論事項第二案本院台灣民眾黨黨團：建請院會決議：要求經濟部針對台灣整體能源政策：電價費率結構及台電相關各項支出及遵截措施：向本院經濟委員會提出全面檢討報告一案請議事人員宣讀提案內容"},{"start":12390.609,"end":12406.194,"text":"本院臺灣民眾黨黨團：建於經濟部宣布：自4月起：工商民生有電將全面漲價：以阻止台電孤單虧損：為蔡政府執政7年來：電價已調漲三次：漲幅逼近53%：4月電價即將再漲11%：將造成百物齊漲：終極百工百業："},{"start":12414.216,"end":12431.906,"text":"蔡政府不得不調漲之理由：實為為其錯誤能源政策要人民買單：一手伸人民口袋轉電匠：轉手再向民間電廠購額購入綠電：導致台電財務黑洞持續過大：營運效率卻備受質疑：發電、儲電、配電及電網任性不足等問題：迟遲不見改善：錯誤的政策比貪污更可怕：原建請院會作成決議："},{"start":12443.372,"end":12471.474,"text":"要求經濟部針對臺灣整體能源政策．電價費率節約及台電相關各項支出及尊嚴措施．向本院經濟委員會提出全面檢討報告．其經本院經濟委員會選議．通過前．電價全面還賬．是否有當請公決案。宣讀完畢依照立法院職權行使法第八條第三項之規定本案經提案人員"},{"start":12472.51,"end":12480.917,"text":"說明提案子去：大體討論後：即議決交付審查或禁負二讀：或不予審議：請提案黨團：台灣民眾黨黨團代表：張委員齊凱說明提案子去"},{"start":12510.41,"end":12531.097,"text":"主席各位委員大家好台電是國營事業的模範生它本來是一隻金雞母可是台電現在變成了敗家子台電過去每年都可以"},{"start":12532.308,"end":12556.008,"text":"繳回國庫一百億到兩百億可是最近變成了敗家子為什麼金雞母會變成敗家子呢過去兩年我們已經溢出了四千億的資金人民納稅錢補了四千億進去了過去兩年已經漲了兩次電價現在四月一號還要再漲"},{"start":12557.202,"end":12574.753,"text":"在漲了下去我們人民的納稅錢繼續投下去可是虧損一定會繼續我們要講的是這次4月1號沒有擋下來沒有動漲9月份電價可能再漲明年可能再漲後年可能再漲"},{"start":12575.774,"end":12590.549,"text":"沒有改革就不能漲電價?台電的虧損到底出了什麼問題?至少有三大漏洞,台電不把漏洞補起來不改革,我們堅決到底,絕對不能漲電價。"},{"start":12592.731,"end":12622.491,"text":"台電至少有三大問題三個大的黑洞第一個他跟民間電廠的買電特別是九家民營電廠當初李登輝總統決定向民間買電廠是為了什麼就是價格基本上是要往下降的可是本席發現在111年到112年的時候我們燃煤的成本往下降台電確實用燃煤的成本往下了可是他就跟民間買電往上走這太不合理了"},{"start":12622.971,"end":12649.258,"text":"所以第一個像民間電廠買的電有沒有買太貴應該趕快去檢討第二個錯誤的政策比貪污還更可怕錯誤的政策比貪污還更可怕我們的能源結構是不是有出了很大的一個問題呢105年我們用的核電佔所有的用電16%可是到了今天只剩下7%"},{"start":12650.976,"end":12674.363,"text":"最便宜的核電不用核電下一度是1.09元是最便宜的電可是呢從16%一直上降降降降到現在7%至少民進黨廢核的成本至少有1000億大家想一下這次漲電價民進黨政府跟我們講要補600多億如果這1000億不要花為什麼要漲電價呢如果這1000億不要花"},{"start":12681,"end":12702.955,"text":"為什麼要漲電價呢?所以現在整個電的這個結果是不是要重新再做一個調整?更嚴重的我們不反對綠電可是不是買了太貴特別是弊案重生的太陽能呢?我要問不只是台南的88槍我們要問聯合再生為什麼違法出售股權?"},{"start":12704.919,"end":12732.261,"text":"國發基金為什麼用我們人民的納稅錢虧本去投資呢?我們也要問臺原綠能為什麼要付給商業園給一家紙上公司叫做縱橫家這家縱橫家為什麼跟雲豹能源是同一個聯絡地址呢?我們也要問臺南市長黃偉哲被約談的立揚能源為什麼他可以利用?"},{"start":12733.662,"end":12759.221,"text":"臺原能源擁有這個國家的公權力去套利呢?這些弊案不講清楚嗎?太陽能被起訴案子至少目前已經有60件所以在向民間電廠買電沒買太貴的問題在整個用電的這個結構特別是太陽能弊案重重的狀況之下不改革臺電不改革已經變成敗家子了憑什麼在漲電價呢?"},{"start":12761.345,"end":12790.161,"text":"不改革憑什麼再漲電價呢?而且漏洞不補起來九月份可能要再漲以後還是會再漲所以民眾黨今天具體的這個提案我們要求第一個針對台灣整體的能源政策第二個對於電價的這個結果第三個對於台電所有的支出還有他這有什麼癥結癥結要怎麼去結業一定要向本院做報告特別是我們要先付給"},{"start":12791.771,"end":12815.901,"text":"經濟委員會沒有審查通過之前全面返帳在本院的經濟委員會沒有審查通過之前當台電跟政府沒有清楚跟我們講三大黑洞怎麼補起來整個政策到底要怎麼走整個結構要不要調整為什麼浪費那麼多錢在沒有解釋清楚之前絕對不能沒有改革"},{"start":12822.128,"end":12826.511,"text":"好 謝謝現在進行大體討論每位委員發言時間3分鐘請紅委員伸漢發言並截止登記發言好"},{"start":12849.322,"end":12867.688,"text":"要討論電價問題,要先確認兩個最根本的事實。第一個,台灣的工業跟用電大戶的用電是超過一半以上的。第二,長期以來,我們就是一直用全民的資產在補貼這些用電大戶。他們用的電越多,全民跟台電的補貼也就越多。"},{"start":12868.428,"end":12897.015,"text":"這也是為什麼今天在立法院外面有十多個民間團體在抗議災難要求動漲或停漲電價因為他們非常清楚長期不公平的電價結構就是急需改革的所以這一次台電的電價調整方案是以調漲大戶作為最高的漲幅這就是很清楚的訊號政府現在要做的就是要降低這些過去對大用戶不公平的補貼"},{"start":12898.553,"end":12924.962,"text":"事實上現在災黨一直說調漲電價是因為錯誤的能源政策如果這個道理是有邏輯的話那請問現在國際上面各國的能源政策都錯了嗎其他國家的電價的漲幅都比我們高出許多許多是不是代表其他國家的能源政策都比我們更錯更離譜如果用災黨這個邏輯看的話很明顯這邏輯是有問題的"},{"start":12930.174,"end":12943.872,"text":"電價被調漲當然大家都不會開心但如果現在要求停漲或是動漲那其實就是讓全民巨額補貼大用戶的現象會繼續這對小市民來說反倒是更不合理的狀況"},{"start":12945.394,"end":12968.051,"text":"當然我們當然要全力的督促行政部門要把節電設施設備的協助還有提高能源效率的配套措施要做好尤其是針對社會上面的弱勢我覺得這部分是可以一起來合作的但如果現在是要透過立法院的決議要求停漲要求動漲這樣子讓長期補貼大用戶的電價結構繼續下去"},{"start":12973.735,"end":12992.022,"text":"其實這可能是更大的能源不正義這可能是現在大家在外面有這麼多抗議的團體更不樂見的事情大家從中南部來就是因為很清楚知道或我們這些能源的專業者都清楚這個能源結構不改變其實未來台灣的這個"},{"start":12994.203,"end":13018.442,"text":"綠色市場、綠色產業的市場結構都不容易做得起來這也是很多國際上面的能源專業工作者不斷與眾心藏在提醒台灣的部分我們真的邀請在黨深思能源價格的問題是一個專業的問題我們可以坐下來好好討論但不用把它政治化不用訴諸政治語言我想這才是全民之福謝謝謝謝"},{"start":13023.185,"end":13033.68,"text":"請鍾嘉斌委員發言鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員不在我們請莊瑞雄委員發言"},{"start":13047.34,"end":13062.105,"text":"謝謝主席還有在場我們所有好朋友偉大的政治家我剛聽了在野黨朋友剛的一些對於電價的一些看法其實仔細的去把它分析其實真的是"},{"start":13063.444,"end":13086.643,"text":"沒有道理真的沒有道理我相信在台灣促進整個經濟穩健的一個發展還有能源的一個轉型這個是政府不變的一個使命那這一次到底我們要電價我們要在這個地方用喊價的方式還是立法院來做決定還是用專家來做一個電價的一個審議"},{"start":13089.325,"end":13117.691,"text":"這些值得啊國人來做一個省思啊104年立法院去通過啊電價的公式啊要設置啊這個審議會我們立法院在104年1月20號的第8屆第6期18次的會議裡面也通過了電價計算的一個公式啊並去設置了電價的匯率審議會好啦依法來這樣的一個執行那現在在來黨的朋友說不行不能漲有人說還漲那到底是要怎麼個漲"},{"start":13119.281,"end":13132.837,"text":"乾脆就電價、油價、水的費率那全部都收回來立法院來決定就好了可以這樣子做嗎我相信災難朋友可能也不會答應除非我們去認為說這個審議會裡面你發現這個組成的成員亂七八糟他的看法"},{"start":13138.443,"end":13150.252,"text":"讓你都沒辦法去接受這15到17人裡面以現在來看的話從學者專家有經濟代表、電力代表還有財務會計還有工商團體還有消費者團體的單位來組成來進行專業的一個審查那這樣的一個專業的審查專業黨的朋友認為這不通電價就是收回電價就是立法院來做決定"},{"start":13165.373,"end":13182.981,"text":"痛罵民進黨之餘其實也是要講道理好像講的說是能源政策的一個錯誤我們電價漲跟能源政策的錯誤真的你把它劃上等號嗎各位來看看全世界核能大國就法國"},{"start":13185.677,"end":13213.784,"text":"台黨朋友最喜歡講的吧就想說那個核電多便宜你去看看法國全世界核能大國它漲了多少160%漲了168你看英國漲了126%電價多少10塊那台灣多少3.38你痛罵民進黨之餘你可以講說民進黨你是真的可惡啊能源錯誤政策讓我們的家庭的用電那全世界排倒數必無"},{"start":13214.793,"end":13230.598,"text":"怎麼可以讓我們台灣的電價這麼便宜民進黨好可惡啊你這個工業用電竟然是能源政策錯誤便宜到全世界第三便宜這個不通我這樣講我相信你也聽不下去可是用這樣的方式說能源政策好 謝謝"},{"start":13245.217,"end":13246.518,"text":"委員法院委員"},{"start":13267.864,"end":13279.973,"text":"好 剛剛莊銳雄委員講到了我們這次的調漲是根據電價的公式調漲講得好像非常尊重專業沒有錯啦2014年當時馬總統調漲電價的時候那當時就有一個決議啦就是說未來要漲電價要根據公式但我就問啦"},{"start":13287.779,"end":13313.542,"text":"那這幾年來到底有沒有根據這個公式來漲電價或調降電價沒有嘛全部都是動漲為什麼因為台電當時講說他們要做物價的消波快如果物價漲的話台電如果再漲的話電價再漲的話物價會更誇張所以要做物價的消波快所以一直動漲那請問一下現在為什麼台電忽然又不做物價消波快呢"},{"start":13314.142,"end":13335.74,"text":"甚至於可能會當這個消貨快掉到海裡面：會激起更大的漣漪：更是波浪：會造成更大的物價的通膨那我本席認為因為政府到目前為止：他並沒有做好物價通膨的預測：包括像央行都直接認為說物價一定會漲：所以升息了：國際上很多國家都是降息但央行升息"},{"start":13336.46,"end":13354.884,"text":"那其他像經濟部主計處所預估的CPI都不一樣可見政府現在對於物價到底通膨會漲多少沒有一定的標準而且甚至於我覺得政府也不要用那種數據來粉飾太平一直講說CPI的調漲其實只有0.1級甚至0.2級不是這樣的"},{"start":13357.185,"end":13377.932,"text":"因為實際上如果電價一漲的話首當其衝的就是外食族現在大家應該也有發現你如果是外食的話你外面不管是買一碗炒飯或是買一個雞排它的價錢的漲絕對不是一趴兩趴的漲一次都是漲一成兩成所以一直去談那些CPI我覺得非常沒有意義房租的調漲也絕對不會是"},{"start":13379.893,"end":13404.186,"text":"一趴兩趴,一定也是一成一成甚至兩成五都有掛號費有的診所已經講了啦現在掛號費是兩百塊如果漲電價可能會調到兩百五那漲五十塊是漲多少是一趴兩趴嗎不是是兩成五所以不要再用這種數據來粉飾太平了那因為政府並沒有做好物價通膨可能會對整個社會帶來的一個影響所以本席也是認為"},{"start":13405.306,"end":13432.735,"text":"應該要先了解物價到底會漲多少再來決定電價到底要不要漲然後再來我剛剛也有聽到紅山委員提到說現在好像很多人覺得這個電價不正義啦因為全民在補貼用電大戶好那為什麼全民通通要調漲你可以調漲你所認為的用電大戶嘛那現在實際上很多確實是很多人你只要電費只要漲幾十塊甚至一兩百塊他都會覺得受到影響啊"},{"start":13433.815,"end":13458.421,"text":"那用電大戶半導體業者最近在跟賴清德總統準總統見面的時候說希望能夠開發小型的核電廠為什麼這個部分就是他們對於現在能源政策他們提出憂心而且覺得有可能是缺電所以當然是能源配比的問題造成這一波的影響好謝謝下一位請吳斯亞委員發言"},{"start":13468.315,"end":13486.25,"text":"主席各位同仁我上一段的發言我提到國民黨搞錯方向把調漲電價的原因完全都邏輯錯誌而且泛政治化我第二次的發言很遺憾的我要說民眾黨的委員你們的判斷也是大錯特錯了"},{"start":13487.851,"end":13514.284,"text":"立法院要求台電要財務平衡：要永續經營：要穩定供電：但是要馬而好：又要馬而不吃草：做得到嗎：有可能嗎：民眾黨的委員說：台電要當金雞母：不能當敗家子：我同意：但是台電要能夠成為金雞母：電價的合理化：勢在必行"},{"start":13515.188,"end":13532.021,"text":"如果電價的收費持續的失衡、持續的不合理下去那麼持續用國庫的錢、人民的納稅錢、我們的預算來撥補台電那麼台電才真的是不折不扣的敗家子"},{"start":13532.898,"end":13553.849,"text":"所以說長期以來臺灣的電價收費無法反應合理的發電成本甚至是遠低於發電成本這是事實現在的台電每發一度電就要虧錢2022年的統計資料臺灣的民生電價是世界各國的倒數第五名第五低"},{"start":13555.07,"end":13572.105,"text":"而工業電價更是全球的第三便宜120度以下的用電戶的費率更是20年從未調漲所以電價要合理化現在就要做今天不做明天就會後悔"},{"start":13573.069,"end":13591.172,"text":"民眾黨的委員也說只要使用核能就比較能夠確保電價不漲錯了錯了錯了我再舉法國的例子法國是核能大國但是在2022年他們的工業用電大漲了160%民生用電漲了22%我要問民眾黨的委員核能真的是萬能嗎"},{"start":13601.814,"end":13628.657,"text":"來講程序現在成立了電價審議委員會然後將電價公式入法是2015年立法院的決議立法院也要求要修電業法電業法修了電價審議委員會成立了電價的計算公式也運作至此了今天國民黨民眾黨聯手要求未來台電如果要漲價一定要經過立法院的決議同意"},{"start":13629.998,"end":13654.757,"text":"那麼是立法院推翻了過去自己的決議立法院有這樣的專業能夠取代電價審議委員會嗎公共政策請專業理性的討論電力、能源不要泛政治化我要奉勸國民黨跟民眾黨的委員謝謝好 謝謝登記發言委員均已發言完畢報告院會"},{"start":13658.406,"end":13675.776,"text":"針對本案現有臺灣民眾黨黨團提議近乎二讀請問院會有無異議無異議本案近乎二讀現有民進黨黨團提議交付黨團協商做以下之決議交付黨團協商並由臺灣民眾黨黨團負責召集協商討論事項第三案"},{"start":13687.165,"end":13704.362,"text":"本院台灣民眾黨黨團建議院會決議：要求民進黨執政的行政院履行政治承諾：立即停止在章濱工業區新建金鼎焚化爐一案：請議事人員宣讀提案內容。"},{"start":13705.168,"end":13727.179,"text":"本院臺灣民眾黨黨團：有建於彰化縣委農業道縣：為經濟部規劃與徵兵工業區新建金頂焚化爐：引發在地居民強烈抗爭：憂慮環境污染傷害人體健康：更影響乳牛飼養及優質農漁產品產量：且彰化縣目前已有9座焚化爐密度居全國之冠："},{"start":13727.819,"end":13754.505,"text":"如若在興建一座焚化廠﹐整體環境恐嚴重超出負荷﹐強重當地污染﹐原建請院會作成決議﹐113年1月5日﹐林江龍出席彰化縣百工百業新賴總會﹐全力授起大會曾表示﹐有關興建金鼎焚化爐相關新聞是抹黑﹐是確定不會蓋的。行政院副院長鄭文燦﹐亦曾公開承諾"},{"start":13755.525,"end":13783.139,"text":"彰化金鼎焚化爐不匯蓋會朝解除契約方向走?如今新建案再起,顯見民進黨高層侵落寡信、背棄人民。願要求民進黨執政的行政院履行政治承諾：立即停止在中濱工業區新建金鼎焚化爐。是否有當請公決案?選舉完畢依照立法院職權刑事法第8條第3項之規定本案經提案人"},{"start":13783.855,"end":13793.679,"text":"說明提案子去：大體討論後：即議決交付、審查或禁負二讀：或不予審議。現在請提案黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團代表脈委員喻珍說明提案子去。"},{"start":13813.39,"end":13829.051,"text":"好主席好各位委員好有關張彬公約區的焚化爐一案1月5日總統府秘書長林昭榮說過確定不會蓋的行政院長陳正仁"},{"start":13830.124,"end":13848.236,"text":"陳建仁副院長鄭文燦也公開承諾過說不會興建如今廠商就是為取得彰化縣政府合法建造的還違建施下開工所以才被政府"},{"start":13849.403,"end":13866.655,"text":"被反但是也不會說不顧當地當地的民眾的反對也要違反新建焚化爐是不是因為我也過去在跟大家跟我們的民眾民進黨的"},{"start":13869.229,"end":13885.996,"text":"立委也到現場去去抗議所以選前民民進黨在向彰化鄉民保證不蓋焚化爐但是選後又跳票欺騙人民"},{"start":13887.403,"end":13910.168,"text":"我在3月14號就是陪同商圈彰化鄉民到現場抗議但是呢經典說明會現場全部都是保全還有就是很多黑衣人都不是彰化人所有反對的鄉民在外面都不能進去連我們進去做黨在外面"},{"start":13911.429,"end":13919.92,"text":"後面才給我們進來當我們進來後呢就是很多黑衣人還拿那個檳榔家去砸我們所以呢這樣子不顧"},{"start":13925.155,"end":13942.168,"text":"大家的反對民眾的反對還是說強行宣布會議完成這樣的擋住民眾的聲音的說明會所以完全不符合法定會議的程序正義"},{"start":13943.621,"end":13964.052,"text":"所以在我們的彰化那一邊我們兩顆雞蛋就有一顆是彰化的所以沒有顧人民的健康就在那一邊說要蓋那個焚化爐彰化目前已經有九個焚化爐了焚化爐密度為全台最多的"},{"start":13965.052,"end":13989.104,"text":"在增加焚化爐對民眾的健康傷害以及對養殖的環境造成的衝擊我在這裡要求行政院要復行政治承諾選前說不要蓋選後也不要蓋立即停止張彬工業區興建金鼎焚化爐反張彬焚化爐的"},{"start":13993.188,"end":14011.863,"text":"建要蓋防化爐請正視人民的聲音因為我們在鄉下的人我也是彰化人所以我們在藏兵那一邊真的是不適合希望大家重視也是希望政府在"},{"start":14012.943,"end":14036.195,"text":"蓋之前也要去要聽聽民眾說明會還要強行再去辦說辦了宣布現場宣布說他們舉手全部舉手都是他們的人所有的反對的民眾都不能進去也不能發言所以在現場他們還強制還沒有活動開始還沒有說明會開始"},{"start":14038.516,"end":14038.937,"text":"是否是否"},{"start":14056.374,"end":14076.148,"text":"在強制在現場他們說的算所有我們的立委、議員、鄉長還有當地的民眾反對都無效所以我們行政院長要尊重要重視要反對這樣子的焚化爐建立在我們張濱工業區以上報告謝謝謝謝現在進行大體討論"},{"start":14084.431,"end":14086.575,"text":"每位委員發言時間3分鐘請陳委員秀寶發言並截止登記發言"},{"start":14104.41,"end":14112.833,"text":"經濟部工業局張彬工業區資源化處理中心新建營運移轉計畫BOT案也就是金鼎焚化爐的設置案是105年立法院審議106年總預算的時候由廖國棟、王惠美、張立善、孔文吉委員提出鑒於工業局推動工業區污水處理業務OT有成而為了解決工業區污泥氣質的困擾"},{"start":14131.178,"end":14136.002,"text":"因此提出主決議：建議張彬工業區工業污泥處理廠計劃：朝民營化方向來進行本案在108年完成可行性評估：在109年遭傷採BOT的方式進行：改為新建兩座焚化爐：一座掩埋廠：以及被轉能詮釋的再利用系統"},{"start":14153.817,"end":14178.205,"text":"但是現在時空環境已經巨變張化已經有9座焚化爐包括張濱縣西區有6座事業廢棄物焚化爐以及河美西州有3座垃圾焚化爐應以足以處理一般與事業廢棄物而且廢棄物的處理應該就近來處理不能把全台灣的廢棄物都要運到張濱來處理這樣才符合環保與減碳的政策因此"},{"start":14183.458,"end":14211.637,"text":"鄉親反對張彬工業區設置金鼎焚化爐秀寶身為在地的民意代表一直都與鄉親在一起身為彰化縣民身為鹿港鎮民秀寶反對金鼎焚化爐的設置但更認為金鼎案停止設置一定要依法行政依循正確的法律程序來進行而不是倉促的提案到院會企圖用表決的方式來處理"},{"start":14213.158,"end":14235.594,"text":"本席覺得遺憾特定的團體政黨與委員為了政治利益的考量將金鼎案操作成政治秀這樣根本是不尊重民主法治經濟部在去年的4月21就已經說金鼎案設置有疑慮必須與當地的民眾溝通取得共識後才能動工在這個月在3月15號秀堡召開協調會經濟部也表明"},{"start":14241.358,"end":14262.509,"text":"本案 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