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第七條的情況下可以來做網路電話監聽"},{"start":3972.364,"end":3994.658,"text":"然後下一條就是技術擔保說這個技術基本上怎麼樣寫得非常簡單那對於有沒有一個第三方公正的監管機關等等的就完全沒有提到那到底要發展多有這件事也是一個重點嗎因為現在大家講的對於科偵法理解是因為打炸很重要所以要快點來過但如果剛剛講的這個國家木馬這個東西發展下來建制團隊經費編列等等就要好幾年"},{"start":3999.721,"end":4019.657,"text":"到底在現在這個情況下﹖可能還有爭議﹖或是說使用範圍跟技術還不明確的情況下﹖有沒有必要跟現在的科證法綁在一起過﹖還是說等有比較詳實的研究﹖之後再來做這件事情﹖這也是民團在討論所謂的用木馬來接聽這件事情的疑慮"},{"start":4020.878,"end":4044.271,"text":"對,所以說這一部分的話在2023年版的草案裡面是寫說就是一年,那個部分的話就是一年後實行但從技術上的理解來講要建置這個東西不會是那麼快的啦那我自己也有聽到一些技術背景的夥伴在聊這件事情的說這件事情可能在想像上或是法規規定上好像沒有那麼困難"},{"start":4045.111,"end":4071.687,"text":"但是在技術上有沒有辦法真的做到他們懷疑因為以他們的理解啊像是北韓或是中國他們是以他們就沒有什麼法治的限制嘛他們是以目前就以國家的力量在做國家駭客了但是他們其實在進行一些詐騙集團偵辦的時候要取得資訊可能最有效的方式還是說你查到機房在哪裡之後直接攻堅他說木馬這些事情"},{"start":4072.327,"end":4099.003,"text":"沒有大家一般所想的有一個技術很厲害的人就做得到可能沒有那麼容易因此也有一些從技術面的有些夥伴從技術面就不太擔心這個條文他覺得定下去也沒有傷害因為沒有政府沒有那麼厲害的人做不來那這也是另外一個觀點那這部分的話會涉及可行性的問題那確實是在之前立法階段我們認為就是法務部或是說政府機關在這邊的說明很不足很少的部分"},{"start":4101.109,"end":4115.4,"text":"還有另外一個問題目前你植入木馬之後你的設備上就會有一個安全的漏洞就是透過這個漏洞來回傳你的資料那如果今天已經結束了那要如何修復這個漏洞"},{"start":4116.681,"end":4141.676,"text":"以及這個漏洞如果造成了其他的損害那要怎麼辦?要刑事無常國家賠償嗎?這個問題就是所謂的你木馬的技術有沒有可能會造成就是其他你無法預見的損害那這個別的駭客利用這個漏洞來攻擊的時候那麼這個原因是國家所留下的那會不會有其他的法律責任那這部分的法律責任要如何來做"},{"start":4142.597,"end":4169.13,"text":"安排或甚至撇清這部分的話在目前查案也沒有提到對所以在剛剛的這個整理下面大家可以大概總結出來就是說在目前比較成熟的那在一定的範圍內可以做討論那會比較有共識的可能是GPS還有M化車的部分那對於隱私空間的調查到底要如何用哪一些技術進行調查跟實務上增防犯罪的需求是什麼"},{"start":4169.77,"end":4174.013,"text":"科技偵查法工作坊．科技偵查法工作坊．科技偵查法工作坊．"},{"start":4193.268,"end":4193.288,"text":"請駿鴻律師討論"},{"start":4219.551,"end":4224.528,"text":"好大家午安喔那很榮幸來參與今天的活動"},{"start":4225.56,"end":4252.165,"text":"那剛剛其實政院律師已經有跟大家分享說目前科偵法的一些科技手段那我想這個是大家非常重視的啦那當然科技手段在科偵法或者的立法的脈絡或過去的過程裡面大家大概法務部都會講一件事情就是科技手段會不斷的演進然後呢所以呢我們大概也需要一些概括的一個規定或者是授權那不然每次有一個新的方法我們是不是要重新立一部法"},{"start":4253.185,"end":4279.738,"text":"當然這個思維上到底怎麼樣比較好我覺得都各有選擇可是我們目前最高法院的理解是我們強制處分是一種要他就是要明文化要類型化的這個概念否則他不會宣告GPS或者是M化車是一個違法的一個強制處分行為他必須要一個強制處分法定的這個概念所以在目前的立法上我們可能要來想一下說那一些東西是大家真的覺得科技偵查法是"},{"start":4279.838,"end":4280.358,"text":"科技偵查法工作坊．"},{"start":4301.267,"end":4301.567,"text":"科技偵查法務委員"},{"start":4325.214,"end":4349.839,"text":"所以在一般的強制處分之後又開始出現了所謂的通訊監察那它有涉及到的除了過去的財產自由權以外大概多會談的就是隱私權跟秘密通訊的自由我想這個大家都非常的清楚那到演進到現在現在除了剛剛那些最基本的理解以外它還包括了可能就是秘密通訊還有資訊自主或者是其他的資訊的部分為什麼會"},{"start":4350.979,"end":4351.199,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":4372.634,"end":4386.321,"text":"我就找兩百個警察在外面跟你多少個警察在外面跟你可不可以在過去的理解裡面這件事情可以啊沒有人會說不可以啊那在將來的科技手段之後可不可以"},{"start":4387.847,"end":4408.551,"text":"因為國家在取得這些資訊之後,他取得的訊息數量或取得這件事情會變得非常的簡單他不需要派人去嘛,他要做什麼?在人家前面裝個攝影機,我每天拍著你,我一直收集資訊然後要不要用人去看,將來不用用人去看了,AI分析就好了"},{"start":4409.605,"end":4425.657,"text":"在這種狀況下我們是不是還用過去的理解來看待國家透過各種方式來去收集相關各位的資訊這個部分可能是大家要想一下過去我覺得可以做啊他在外面拍拍照錄音可以啊為什麼不行"},{"start":4426.738,"end":4450.26,"text":"可是當國家可以透過這些手段﹐大量取得資訊的時候﹐他取得的效果是不一樣的﹐為什麼不一樣﹐他量大﹐所以他知道你這個人平常在幹嘛﹐他知道你禮拜一到禮拜二到幹嘛﹐禮拜三到禮拜四在幹嘛﹐禮拜五的下午兩點你去哪裡﹐去了哪裡以後﹐然後再搭配其他的資訊的時候﹐他可以把你這個人的人生﹐可以把它描繪出來﹐"},{"start":4451.929,"end":4465.85,"text":"這代表的是什麼?代表國家可以隨便監控一個人他的日常生活當國家擁有各位日常生活的所有資訊的時候代表的國家想要對你做什麼他都可以從中擷取一些資訊來用就對你做什麼"},{"start":4466.776,"end":4485.875,"text":"這也就是民團為什麼開始會擔心這件事情的原因所以不應該把單純的科技偵查手段 把它理解成過去的偵查手段當然它的效果是完全 看起來好像是一樣的 他們的說理上也跟你說一樣啊 我們以前也在做啊 我派200個警察去啊 你能派多少個200個警察"},{"start":4487.783,"end":4509.543,"text":"200個警察能跟你跟多久?一個禮拜?兩個禮拜?三個禮拜好了?一個月?可能嗎?現實上不可能啦,現實上不可能所以過去在傳統手段所取得的資訊是顯然有限的可是在將來的科技手段在科技的不斷的發展之下這些訊息是無限的所以他取得資訊會越來,量會越來越大"},{"start":4511.515,"end":4539.84,"text":"當然大法官在這件事情上做了過去有很多的解釋在談的就是說我們要怎麼樣去保護我們的因為科技偵查的手段然後對於我們的隱私然後我們的自主權利這一些這個細的部分大法官的說明我想大家都清楚不會再特別去細念不過這個是大法官在開始也不斷在演進對於這一些隱私權的理解或者是資訊自主的理解也不斷的隨著隨著現在科技的發展而有所演進"},{"start":4541.617,"end":4566.878,"text":"接下來往下看我們的保障的權利或者是因為國家手段不一樣之後我們要怎麼樣去設計或者是怎麼樣去思考說好 那我們還是會需要我們不可能跟國家講說你因為這個侵犯很大所以我就不讓你做這些事情所以我們在要求的時候可能我們對於這些強制處分的發動要件可能大家就要去開始去想說過去的要件是不是足夠"},{"start":4568.817,"end":4593.052,"text":"這個部分很多部分還在討論我覺得我們在立法的時候可能要再進一步想清楚的這個大概分個三個階段去這樣子的演進的說明在第一個階段我想最傳統的強制處分我覺得大家都清楚大概就是法官保留當然也不是法官保留有分好很多層次我這邊只是先簡單的跟大家說明然後他要有一定的犯罪嫌疑他要有相當理由存在然後他也有"},{"start":4594.29,"end":4612.958,"text":"實施強制手段的必要性這是最基本的可是到了通訊監察的這個時候就是監聽大家電話的時候大家可以注意到說這個想法就已經開始不一樣了因為他注意到說通訊監察他聽到你的對話內容的時候他發現說他拿到的資訊比平常或者是比傳統講師所分多很多"},{"start":4614.042,"end":4615.083,"text":"重罪原則重罪原則"},{"start":4631.741,"end":4659.716,"text":"特定明確原則他要監聽多久﹖他的範圍在哪裡﹖他的侵害必須要最小除了監聽拿不到這些資訊以外﹖你除了透過監聽才能拿到這些資訊以外﹖你沒有其他方法了﹖你才能做他要求的是你中間要﹖你一開始申請的時候有一定的要求事中的時候也要監督﹖事後要通知被監聽的人甚至後面還有報告的要求"},{"start":4660.481,"end":4688.768,"text":"所以在通訊監察大家開始注意到說他的權力的侵害已經越來越重的時候那我們就開始增加要件去限制國家發動這些強制處分的門檻這個是我們在制度設計上因應他所侵害的權力越來越大的時候我們開始去思考的事情那下一步是我們現在各位要做的事情就是科技偵查法我們怎麼辦法務部跟你說不行啊我沒有這些手段我就沒辦法"},{"start":4691.094,"end":4712.087,"text":"徵查犯罪﹖這麼多的詐騙集團我都抓不到啊這麼多外面的犯罪行為我都抓不到啊他們就開始了這樣子的一種要求我完全可以理解說從國家徵防犯罪的角度他還是需要而且我們也不太可能去完全說啊不行你還是只能去走過去的傳統手段"},{"start":4713.047,"end":4734.32,"text":"這個其實也沒有什麼道理啦沒有道理因為你就是有一個比較有效率的方法的時候你還是當然會選擇比較有效率的方法沒有人會去走老方法嘛那只是相對來說我們必須要在一般人不要講因為過去都會有一種講法說我們這些科技手段所針對的對象都是那些犯罪的人啦各位都不會被用到啦"},{"start":4735.04,"end":4762.131,"text":"可是實際上是這樣嗎?實際上一定不是嗎?因為整個偵查手段他灑下去他還沒有取得確定先不講他有沒有惡意的問題他在不確定誰是犯罪行為人之前各位通通都是潛在的犯罪行為人你只要跟那個案件有相關全部都是犯罪行為人的嫌疑人那是不是全部都會被偵查他是不是就可以發動所有的科技手段去取得各位各式各樣的諮詢那如果他有惡意的話"},{"start":4763.231,"end":4791.89,"text":"我只要找個理由我想各位 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比較相信當然我自己也有個問號但還是有個要件檢方或偵查機關這種調取有沒有什麼強制力"},{"start":5452.389,"end":5475.092,"text":"大家要不要配合那這個到底算什麼所以這個部分都是要再往下去思考的那之所以會特別提這件事情是因為過去在做調取或科技鑑識的時候他並不理解為或不把它認為是一種強制處分可是它本質上一定有明顯的差異因為如果你把它理解成強制處分的時候它的發動門檻會是不一樣它的發動門檻比較高它的發動門檻可能是我剛剛列的那一堆"},{"start":5475.919,"end":5503.564,"text":"那它的程序控制也完全是不一樣的然後甚至於它的將來這個東西能不能用它的證據能力的判斷也會不一樣所以這個部分是在立法論上可能也許可以思考的啦那回到剛剛前面提到就是說科技手段跟傳統強制質處分的差異的部分我想這個是大家目前大概都能夠做相同理解的因為將來科技手段都是秘密進行大概也沒有人知道"},{"start":5504.81,"end":5527.28,"text":"你們被科技偵查了﹖你未必會知道﹖除非我們有法令的要求﹖為什麼你未必會知道﹖是因為﹖像大家監聽﹖如果大家被監聽的時候﹖除非一定都是事後﹖你被偵辦了﹖要不然事後發個通知給你﹖不好意思我監聽你﹖要不然你怎麼知道你被監聽﹖將來科技手段也是如此﹖我看你的﹖我用﹖塞木馬到裡面去﹖你的電子設備﹖被放木馬到裡面去的時候﹖你會知道嗎﹖"},{"start":5533.28,"end":5560.728,"text":"不一定會知道,當然有時候會發現,不一定會知道或者是說有人從你家外面用熱顯相儀一直照著你有人用空拍機,找了一台空拍機,24小時就放在你家的外面然後就盯著你,從外面盯著你家看假設這件事情是可以的話,你會知道嗎?你不會知道的啦將來這些科技手段,你通通都不會知道"},{"start":5561.624,"end":5581.651,"text":"所以我們如果沒有在前面發動的程序好好控制的時候人民連救濟他都不知道他要提起救濟他沒有機會提起救濟因為我根本就不知道我被科技偵查了我被取得多少資訊"},{"start":5583.601,"end":5608.376,"text":"所以這個部分就是為什麼要建要設計到這麼要更嚴格更嚴謹的原因那另外就剛剛前面不斷提到的啦因為資訊的取得量真的是太龐大了太龐大了因為他確實都能夠拿到很多東西而且在目前我所理解的科技手段裡面他們都是全線的概念他一次拿都拿很多再加上我們現在科技手段去使用的時候不會只用一種手段"},{"start":5609.136,"end":5634.557,"text":"我會各式各樣的手動﹐我調你的消費紀錄﹐我拿你的消費紀錄﹐或者是我拿外面的監控紀錄﹐這個在德國﹐或者是歐美﹐美國也都會討論﹐他們都用的是所謂的馬賽克理論﹐馬賽克就是那個瓷磚﹐小顆的瓷磚﹐一顆一顆﹐你看一顆小瓷磚的時候﹐你不知道這在講什麼﹐當我收集了兩百顆﹐拼出來就是一個﹐某個人的圖像﹐"},{"start":5636.065,"end":5659.184,"text":"他就是一個這種概念我一塊一塊的時候他會跟你說我這個只有拿什麼我這個我只有拿什麼可是我們的科技手段絕對不會只有單用某一種方式他絕對是各種手段全部並合使用所以當他的馬賽克理論的效果會在目前的科技手段之下或將來的科技手段並用的狀況下他的效果會越來越強他侵害大家的權利的狀況會越來越強"},{"start":5660.605,"end":5685.997,"text":"他清開的時間也會長因為他這個時間點他拿到的資訊其實收集的資訊是會多而且這個刪除困難所以將來如果流出如果真的很不幸流出特定的資料的時候或者是現在流到網路上的時候現在我想大家看媒體媒體都會有很多的檢警的辦案資料我們的偵查部公開會有他的問題不斷的流出的時候"},{"start":5687.257,"end":5702.902,"text":"不斷的流出的時候那這些訊息永遠都在網路上那好啦有罪大家可能覺得有罪就算了大家有沒有想過過去有人是因為雖然有一些資料流出最後不判無罪的有吧還是有啊那在這種狀況下這一些人怎麼辦"},{"start":5704.028,"end":5728.48,"text":"我要去主張被遺忘權﹖叫平台都把我刪掉﹖告訴我的平台﹖沒有幾個成功的啦所以在現實上那個侵害其實﹖其實非常的大﹖然後最後因為剛起來﹖因為他有很強大的秘密性﹖所以他的行為審查也是非常非常困難的所以他必須要﹖你既然在這種狀況下的話﹖你的控制要求就必須要提升﹖他的使用限制就必須要增加那這個是我大概把它﹖"},{"start":5729.82,"end":5753.572,"text":"整個整理出來 也許將來再整理這個 絕對不會只有這16個 可能會越來越多這個部分因為前面大部分都提到 所以就是供大家參考當然這個部分可能有些就會有一些困境 有些困境就是一個權衡的問題就是輕罪 像剛剛前面就提到重罪原則 那輕罪怎麼辦"},{"start":5755.223,"end":5779.685,"text":"不過還是有一個概念要讓大家跟大家分享就是說不用科技偵查手段不代表不能偵查你可以用其他的方式去做那你既然有其他的方式可以去處理的時候你為什麼要選擇一個侵害這麼大的方式來處理呢那當然這個再次就是一種權衡 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及台電相關各項支出及遵截措施向本院經濟委員會提出全面檢討報告一案本案經第一會期第8次會議決議協商後再行處理因上代協商作以下決議協商後再行處理討論事項第6案本院台灣民眾黨黨團"},{"start":2000.973,"end":2026.37,"text":"建請院會決議：要求民進黨執政的行政院履行政治承諾：立即停止在章濱工業區新建金鼎焚化爐以案本案經第一會期第8次會議決議．協商後再行處理應上代協商做以下決議．協商後再行處理"},{"start":2028.932,"end":2036.556,"text":"討論事項第7案花東快速公路建設特別條例草案請宣讀報告、審查報告"},{"start":2038.188,"end":2059.586,"text":"本院交通委員會於113年3月25日召開全體委員會議審查本案由陳肇集委員雪山擔任主席委員傅坤祺說明提案要旨並由交通部部長王國才等報告內政部等機關亦應邀派員列席被刑及與說明與會員於聽取報告及詢答完畢後及進行逐條審查"},{"start":2060.587,"end":2081.614,"text":"本案審查完畢,理據審查報告提報院會討論,院會討論前需交由黨團協商。院會討論時由交通委員會陳昭吉委員學生補充說明。宣讀完畢。請昭吉委員、陳委員學生補充說明。"},{"start":2083.533,"end":2111.001,"text":"陳偉學生之補充說明已書面提出列入公報記錄本案經審查會決議需交由黨團協商報告院會本案應上代協商做以下決議協商後再行處理報告事項第8案行人交通安全設施條例草案請宣讀審查報告"},{"start":2112.813,"end":2131.15,"text":"本院內政交通委員會於113年3月27日召開聯席會議審查本案由內政委員會吳兆綺委員其名擔任主席除邀請提案委員說明提案要旨並邀請相關機關列席報告並備諮詢經報告期詢談完畢選籍進行逐條討論立即委員與聽取說明並經整理討論後完成全案之審查"},{"start":2138.757,"end":2139.958,"text":"請召集委員、五委員齊名,補充說明。"},{"start":2177.826,"end":2204.691,"text":"主席、各位委員今天代表內政委員會與院會交付審議的行人交通安全設施條例的草案條文內容提出報告敬請各位委員指教近年來隨著經濟的發展所得的提升機車、汽車市量不斷的增加交通規劃方向優先的解決塞車及行車便利的"},{"start":2206.607,"end":2234.455,"text":"課題導致行人安全保障逐漸受到壓縮而在人行人車發生交通意外事故中行人最容易受到的傷害因此有必要提升行人交通安全重新以以檢視以強化並特別重視兒童學生高齡引髮無障礙之通行的權益達到道路上與人"},{"start":2235.035,"end":2264.521,"text":"委本車與人相容共享安全便利之目標這次立法主要的是解決民眾所在意的行人環境問題包含入口設施規劃不良步行環境未以串聯人行道缺少障礙物阻斷通行無障礙設施不足因此需要加速的人行道、行人串列道"},{"start":2265.101,"end":2280.571,"text":"以及行人交通安全設施新闢的已改善：排除影響行人的障礙物：以完善的通學、就醫、洽工等生活機能所需之人行安全的串聯入網："},{"start":2281.952,"end":2302.282,"text":"行人交通安全設施條例建立以行人動線聯繫之無障礙用路的環境為目標建設改善維護管理及考核道路行人道以及行人穿越道以及行人交通安全設施"},{"start":2304.344,"end":2322.465,"text":"為立法的目的草案共計14條條文由中央會同各目的事業主管機關訂定行人交通安全設施推動的計劃並至少每4年檢討修正一次"},{"start":2323.052,"end":2348.857,"text":"令地方政府定定改善計劃：並每年公布執行情形：地方政府應以都市計劃期內：一定的寬度以上：設置人行道：一定分期：分年分期的建設計劃：並由中央核定：優先實施改善：至少每4年檢討修正一次：相關："},{"start":2351.218,"end":2369.786,"text":"計劃執行成效內陸年度的績效考評績效不加者中央的檢列相關道路交通改善計劃之補助等最後一段文字請參佐本會委員的意見修正條文文字或通過"},{"start":2371.144,"end":2381.208,"text":"前案審查過程無重大爭議：並經本會最後決議：而不再悉經黨團協商本案經審查會決議：不需再交由黨團協商請問院會有無異議"},{"start":2398.1,"end":2400.743,"text":"我們以本案進經一審查會意見處理現在進行逐條討論請宣讀照審查會通過下面繼續宣讀"},{"start":2419.011,"end":2439.085,"text":"第一條為建設改善維護管理及考核行人交通安全設施建立以人為本行人動線連續性及無障礙擁入環境特制定本條例宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過委員黃婕等提案第二條不予採納請宣讀"},{"start":2441.977,"end":2468.957,"text":"第二條本條例用詞定義如下一、行人交通安全設施指人行道、行人穿越道引導行人行進、防護行人安全提醒行人注意及具無障礙功能之設施設備二、行人友善區指經公告設置提供行人動線連續之無障礙步行環境並管制車輛使用行為之區域宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過"},{"start":2470.968,"end":2485.431,"text":"宣讀第三條。第三條本條例所簽主管機關在中央委內宣部在指向市委指向市政府在縣市委縣市政府宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過宣讀第四條。"},{"start":2486.328,"end":2503.866,"text":"第4條 中央主管機關整理下列事項一、注定定行人交通安全設施政策方向及中央行人交通安全設施推動計畫二、嚴厲行人交通安全設施之設計規範三、督導地方主管機關辦理行人步行環境安全"},{"start":2504.346,"end":2530.639,"text":"及便利性改善調查。四、研議行人交通安全有關行動、行為、核心及風險等績效指標。五、協助辦理交通安全教育及相關交通安全宣導與訓練。前項推動計劃由中央主管機關應會同中央各目的事業主管機關擬定行人交通安全設施推動計劃並至少每4年檢討修正一次。"},{"start":2531.759,"end":2551.477,"text":"請向推動計畫應包含下列項目一、願景目標二、行人交通安全設施改善政策三、行人交通安全設施必要改善項目四、計畫績效指標五、計畫經費六、計畫效益七、管考措施請向行人交通安全設施推動計畫之擬定與檢討應納入專家、學者及民間團體之參與討論宣讀完畢"},{"start":2557.884,"end":2580.392,"text":"照審查會條文通過。請宣讀第5條。第5條,直銷事項是主管機關長李夏烈事項。一、辦理行人步行環境安全及便利性改善調查並研擬改善對策。二、制定定道路一定寬度人行道分年分期建設計畫。三、制定定行人交通安全設施改善計畫。"},{"start":2581.412,"end":2597.262,"text":"四、劃定行人友善區、執行行人空間檢核與改造措施或計劃五、執行管理考核機制及加強人員訓練一、前條行人交通安全設施推動計劃、擬定行人交通安全設施改善計劃"},{"start":2598.543,"end":2614.936,"text":"並每年公布執行情形。傾向行人交通安全設施改善計畫應包含下列項目。一、人行道及行人穿越道之增設拓寬或改善。二、人行道及行人穿越道障礙之排除。三、行人交通安全設施之改善。"},{"start":2615.556,"end":2630.999,"text":"四、行人友善去接公告設置及實施五、其他經中央主管機關指定之項目。只想順線式主管機關應對都市計劃區域內一定寬度以上道路衛生人行道者擬定分年分期建設計劃"},{"start":2632.4,"end":2644.329,"text":"報請中央主管境外核定優先實施改善：並至少每4年檢討修正一次。傾向行人交通安全設施改善計劃之擬定與檢討應納入專家學者及民間團體之參與討論。宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過現在請宣讀第6條"},{"start":2656.584,"end":2672.403,"text":"第6條 直轄市縣市主管機關執行行人交通安全設施導商計畫﹐應辦理步行環境調查﹐擬定優先順序辦理改善。宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過請宣讀第7條"},{"start":2673.735,"end":2700.494,"text":"第7條直轄市縣市主管機關應就醫療院所學校機關大眾運輸場站等行人密集場所周邊公告指定範圍為行人友善區報請中央主管機關被查後逐年辦理改善新市政開發區段簽收施定重劃整體開發新批地區應規劃施作行人友善區直轄市縣市主管機關公告行人友善區前應舉辦說明會聽取當地居民意見"},{"start":2702.976,"end":2727.926,"text":"行人友善區應提供行人動線連續之5障礙步行環境﹐並管制車輛使用行為﹐區內道路除設置人行道外﹐得採取速限標直火標線、降速措施﹐時段性行人徒步區、行人優先區﹐或其他方式提供步行環境。宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過,請宣讀第8條。"},{"start":2729.042,"end":2751.32,"text":"第8條指向事項是主管機關查有妨礙行人通行之固定設施設備應以書面通知該管管理機關構所有權人使用人或管理人與規定期限完成該設施設備之改善遷移或拆除傾向固定設施設備屬於原統一設置之公用事業設施設備主管機關應協助規劃適合之方式或地點"},{"start":2753.682,"end":2781.631,"text":"辦理設施設備之改善遷移或拆除第一項期限不得少於3個月。宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過請宣讀第9條。第9條建築物且樓級無遮掩仍行到地平面位於臨街地平面其平者由直轄稅縣市主管機關指定路段統一重修前向地平面經直轄稅縣市主管機關統一重修後"},{"start":2782.291,"end":2803.582,"text":"應算自改建置不合市區道路及附屬工程設計標準或妨礙行人、通行者只想順縣市主管機關應以書面通識該建築物所有權人、使用人或管理人限期於2個月內自行改善。宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過,請宣讀第10條。"},{"start":2805.258,"end":2830.377,"text":"第10條 中央主管機關應會同交通部每年考評及公布各直轄市縣市主管機關行然交通安全設施改善計畫之執行成效各直轄市縣市主管機關年度考評績效不佳者中央主管機關及交通部得檢列相關道路交通改善計畫之補助額度宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過請宣讀第11條"},{"start":2831.67,"end":2848.325,"text":"第11條,為依第8條第一項規定﹐期限完成改善、牽引或拆除者﹐由直轄市縣市主管機關﹐處該管理機關購所有權人、使用人或管理人﹐新台幣3萬元以上15萬元相返還﹐並得按次處罰。宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過,請宣讀第12條。"},{"start":2854.588,"end":2866.501,"text":"第12條,為依第9條第二項規定期限完成改善者由直轄市縣市主管機關處該建築物所有權人、使用人或管理人新台幣5,000元以上、2萬5,000元以下罰還並得按此處罰。宣討完畢。"},{"start":2870.256,"end":2896.921,"text":"照審查會條文通過委員黃婕等提案第14條委員王美惠等修正動議第15條不予採納委員黃婕等提案第13條委員王美惠等修正動議第14條不予採納請宣讀第13條第13條本條例適型性則由中央主管機關會同交通部定之宣讀完畢"},{"start":2900.694,"end":2918.594,"text":"照審查會條文通過,請宣讀第14條。第14條本條例實行日期由行政院定之。宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過。報告院會全案經過二讀。我們現在休息。"},{"start":4508.1,"end":4536.833,"text":"報告院會現在繼續開會現有民進黨黨團提議繼續進行三讀請問院會有無異議沒有異議我們請宣讀經過二讀之條文行人交通安全設施條例第一條為建設改善維護管理及考核行人交通安全設施建立以人為本行人動線連續性及無障礙用路環境特規定本條例"},{"start":4538.013,"end":4561.542,"text":"第二條本條例用詞定義如下﹐一、行人交通安全設施﹐指人行道、行人穿越道﹐引導行人行進﹐防護行人安全﹐提醒行人注意及具無障礙功能之設施設備。二、行人有限區﹐指經公告設置﹐提供行人動線連續之無障礙步行環境﹐並管制車輛使用行為之區域。"},{"start":4563.291,"end":4583.118,"text":"第三條本條例所稱主管機關在中央委內政部在舉行市委舉行市政府在縣市委縣市政府第四條中央主管機關成立下列事項一、制定定行人交通安全設施政策方向及中央行人交通安全設施推動計畫"},{"start":4584.238,"end":4611.188,"text":"二、研擬行人交通安全設施之涉及規範。三、督導地方主管機關辦理行人步行環境安全及便利性改善調查。四、研議行人交通安全有關行動、行為核心及風險等績效指標。五、協助辦理交通安全教育及相關交通安全宣導與訓練。傾向推動計畫﹐中央主管機關應會同中央各目的事業主管機關﹐"},{"start":4612.268,"end":4638.218,"text":"擬定行人交通安全設施推動計劃：並至少每4年檢討修正一次。傾向推動計劃應包含下列項目一、願景目標二、行人交通安全設施改善政策三、行人交通安全設施必要改善項目四、計劃績效指標五、計劃經費六、計劃效益七、管口措施傾向行人交通安全設施推動計劃之擬定與檢討"},{"start":4640.841,"end":4642.267,"text":"應納入專家、學者及民間團體區參與討論。"},{"start":4645.834,"end":4674.019,"text":"六條直銷事件是主管機關長李下列事項一、辦理行人步行環境安全及便利性改善調查並嚴厲改善對策二、制定道路一定寬度人行道分年分期建設計劃三、制定行人交通安全設施改善計劃四、劃定行人友善區執行行人空間檢核與改造措施或計劃五、執行管理考核機制及加強人員訓練"},{"start":4675.559,"end":4702.431,"text":"應一、協調行人交通安全設施推動計劃﹐已定行人交通安全設施改善計劃﹐並每年公布執行情形。傾向行人交通安全設施改善計劃應包含下列項目。一、人行道及行人穿越道之增設拓寬或改善。二、人行道及行人穿越道障礙之排除。三、行人交通安全設施之改善。四、行人友善去之公告設置及實施。"},{"start":4703.311,"end":4726.798,"text":"五、其他經中央主管機關指定之項目只想是縣市主管機關應對都市計劃區域內一定寬度以上道路位設人行道者擬定分年分期建設計劃報警中央主管機關核定優先實施改善並至少每4年檢討修正一次傾向行人交通安全設施改善計劃之擬定與檢討應納入專家、學者及民間團體之參與討論"},{"start":4733.752,"end":4743.602,"text":"第6條只想順縣市主管機關執行行政交通安全設施改善計畫應辦理步行環境調查﹐擬定優先順序辦理改善"},{"start":4745.509,"end":4764.809,"text":"第7條直轄順縣市主管機關應就醫療院所、學校機關、大眾運輸場站等行人密集場所周邊公告指定範圍為行人友善區報請中央主管機關被查後逐年辦理改善新市政開發區段徵收施定重劃整體開發新闢地區應規劃施作行人友善區"},{"start":4768.613,"end":4794.66,"text":"只詳涉縣市主管機關公告行人友善區前應舉辦說明會聽取當地居民意見行人友善區應提供行人動線﹐連續至無障礙步行環境並管制車輛使用行為區內道路除設置人行道外都採取速限標誌或標線、降速措施、時段性行人徒步區、行人優先區或其他方式提供步行環境"},{"start":4796.789,"end":4818.379,"text":"第8條指責設計式主管機關才有方案行人通行之固定設施設備應以書面通知該管管理機關後所有全人使用人或管理人與規定期限完成該設施設備之改善、遷移或拆除傾向固定設施設備屬於原同意設置之公用事業設施設備"},{"start":4819.82,"end":4830.589,"text":"主管機關應協助規劃適合之地適合之方式或地點辦理設施設備之改善遷移或拆除第一項期限不得少於3個月"},{"start":4833.325,"end":4856.073,"text":"第9條建築物及樓級無遮掩人行道地平面﹐位於零接定平面其平者﹐由直轄設縣市主管機關指定路段統一重修前向地平面﹐經直轄設縣市主管機關統一重修後﹐應算自改建置不合適區道路及附屬工程設計標準或方案行人通行者﹐"},{"start":4856.733,"end":4865.45,"text":"直詳是縣市主管機關應以書面通知該建築物所有全人使用人或管理人限期於2個月內自行改善。"},{"start":4868.345,"end":4889.985,"text":"第10條 中央主管機關應會同交通部每年考評及公布各指標市縣市主管機關行政交通安全設施改善計畫之執行成效各指標市縣市主管機關年度考評績效不佳者中央主管機關及交通部得檢列相關道路交通改善計畫之補助額度"},{"start":4892.694,"end":4909.069,"text":"第11條 問一第8條第一項規定期限完成改善遷移或拆除者就直轄設縣市主管機關處該管管理機關構所有群人需要人或管理人新台幣3萬元以上15萬元下罰款並得按次處罰"},{"start":4911.192,"end":4938.925,"text":"第十二條,為依第九條第二項規定期限完成緩順者﹐由直轄市縣市主管機關﹐處該建築物所有權人、使用人或管理人﹐金、台幣五千元以上、二萬五千元以下發還﹐並得按次處罰。第十三條,本條例施行細則由中央主管機關會同交通部定之。第十四條,本條例施行日期由行政院定之。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":4940.731,"end":4949.673,"text":"報告院會三讀條文與宣讀完畢現有民進黨黨團提議三讀文字修正請紅委員申翰發言"},{"start":4960.426,"end":4989.458,"text":"主席、各位立法院的同仁行人交通安全設施條例草案第4條及第5條文作三讀的文字修正以下第一點第4條其中制定、擬定、擬定等詞未符合法制用語常規規定事項無需呈報上級政府或主管機關審查並作成決定以完成該事項之法定效力者應以定定為之"},{"start":4990.339,"end":5003.228,"text":"原提請院會將第4條第一項第一款中之制定第二項中之擬定及第4項中之擬定均作文字修正為定定"},{"start":5004.502,"end":5026.134,"text":"第二點,第五條其中制定、擬定等詞未符合法制用與常規規定事項無需呈報上級政府或主管機關審查並作成決定以完成該事項之法定效力者應以定定為之計劃須報核定者應以擬定為之"},{"start":5027.011,"end":5056.552,"text":"原提請院會將第5條第1項、第2款中之制定、修正為擬定,以與本條文第4項用於一致,第1項、第3款中之制定、第2項及第5項中之擬定均作文字修正為定定。以上。好,謝謝洪森漢委員的發言。報告院會,以上文字修正,請問院會有無異議"},{"start":5058.371,"end":5081.567,"text":"無異議的話照民進黨黨團所提意見作文字修正本案決議行人交通安全設施條例自定通過現在接下來我們繼續處理審查會所作之附帶決議請議事人員宣讀附帶決議之內容"},{"start":5084.721,"end":5110.116,"text":"通過互待決議一項本條例通過後中央主管機關應無待於本法開始施行據地方主管機關協力啟動盤查清點第8條所列之原同意設置之公用事業設施設備中央主管機關應邀請地方主管機關學者專家公民團體也將其有符合保障行人無障礙通行權利的適切合一標準"},{"start":5111.055,"end":5134.418,"text":"中央地方主管機關應加強宣導並於網路公布各主管機關依道路交通管理處罰條例、廢棄物清理法、市區道路條例、公路法基本條例執行取締之績效對各地方政府道路交通改善計畫之補助應訂定客觀明確的標準與程序"},{"start":5135.376,"end":5159.869,"text":"作為申請平和之準據道路停車格之劃設與取締各種專用停車格之劃設位置與公平機制環網線的劃設標準等中央地方主管機關應訂定法律行政命令或指引宣讀完畢請問院會有無異議如果無異議決定照案通過"},{"start":5161.038,"end":5169.987,"text":"本案完成立法程序現在由委員登記發言每位委員發言時間兩分鐘第一位我們請蘇委員巧會發言"},{"start":5184.195,"end":5203.324,"text":"主席、各位同仁過去我國的道安政策偏重於執行與處罰往往忽略基礎工程的重要性去年8月行政院通過行人交通安全政策綱領投入400億進行行人交通工程改善並盤點行人交通安全設施優先改善項目"},{"start":5204.565,"end":5234.285,"text":"很高興原本政策性的計畫在今天行人交通安全設施條例三讀後可以邁向法制化本席也在審查過程中提出兩個觀點第一,人本交通的重要意旨就是要讓行人動線延續既存的騎樓與人行道若沒有能夠與臨街地平面齊平會對行人安全產生重大影響本席因此提出建議地方政府在進行指定路段重修時騎樓與行人道所有人不得拒絕"},{"start":5235.385,"end":5250.331,"text":"第二、安全的行人通行環境應由地方政府提出改善計劃並由中央督導地方盡力改善本席建議回歸地方制度法之設計由中央命令地方限期改善並得針對不作為者直接代行處理"},{"start":5251.391,"end":5262.056,"text":"本席的兩個觀點雖未能以法律文字入法但觀點本身皆獲支持內政部承諾後續在實施時將積極輔導地方政府辦理改善計畫並把刪減補助額度作為最後手段避免陷入沒錢改善的惡性循環"},{"start":5270.379,"end":5282.228,"text":"行人交通安全需要中央機關跨部會整合政策方針必與地方政府共同推動執行從道路工程面開始改善共同達成道路交通事故臨死亡的願景謝謝"},{"start":5315.632,"end":5335.652,"text":"今天立法院三讀通過行人交通安全設施設置條例我們透過這個法把讓行人設施能夠更好或更安全的做法直接用法律化的方式來要求中央地方各單位未來都必須落實都必須執行"},{"start":5337.861,"end":5352.194,"text":"同時我們也是直接的面對過去在交通工程設計老是被詬病做得不好或者是設計有缺失的問題這一次也是用這個法律化的方式來給予清楚的明確的"},{"start":5354.127,"end":5354.467,"text":"制度上的規範"},{"start":5384.607,"end":5409.155,"text":"在這一次修法過程裡面我也提案強化考核管理的機制確保工程改善的落實也要求在推動計畫及改善計畫的擬定過程中必須納入專家學者及民間團體的參與機制因為許多年輕的家長障礙者其實都能夠提供非常重要的第一線經驗來協助中央及地方落實和改善"},{"start":5409.895,"end":5439.136,"text":"最後針對排出人人行空間上像是機車、花盆等非固定的障礙物我們也要求內政部在條例生效後要訂定施行細則要求地方指定專責機關或落實跨局處的全責分工下了車我們都是行人這是台灣打造行人交通安全的專法未來我們也會持續在立法院監督各項交通工程預算經費還有交通教育的落實謝謝大家"},{"start":5442.29,"end":5449.048,"text":"謝謝洪森漢委員的發言接下來我們請登記第三號林委員月勤發言"},{"start":5467.078,"end":5487.391,"text":"過去幾年臺灣行人地域的惡名受到國內民眾的廣泛迴響這次三讀通過的行人交通安全設施條例確實在保護行人方面參考了鄰近國家的做法將我們的道路交通環境的規劃以及國內為人詬病的障礙組"},{"start":5488.96,"end":5499.535,"text":"障礙入主排除問題提出具體的解方並回歸人本優先考量步行者的安全需求跟權益但這只是第一步"},{"start":5500.086,"end":5517.841,"text":"後續的每一個法案以及每一次的計畫依舊關鍵因此我希望在這邊提醒行政機關兩件事情期望未來各單位依據本條例訂定的施行細則時以及落實到政策層面的行動計畫制定時能夠審慎評估研擬評估與推動"},{"start":5523.326,"end":5546.199,"text":"首先針對於公民參與機制的設計我期待未來針對於行能交通安全設施的設置與推動可藉由過程中的討論共識跟決議到既有技術法規的調適跟對應能夠適當的結合使用者需求都市規劃跟交通科學角度出發的研究跟數據"},{"start":5547.588,"end":5572.939,"text":"那以作為核心所開展出來的教育工程跟執法等三一策略的執行才能夠具有加高的正當性跟政策的延續性其次雖然這次送出來的版本當中依舊沒有把本席在修正動議跟法案版本當中所提出來的專區擴大跟通用設計的概念放入但還是呼籲"},{"start":5573.615,"end":5590.649,"text":"未來是不是各地方政府在未來若使第7條專區的指定範圍內務必注意跟維護這些若是用入的步行安全跟需求以上謝謝謝謝林月琴委員的發言接下來我們請登記第4號黃婕委員發言"},{"start":5602.636,"end":5621.164,"text":"提升行人的交通安全讓台灣可以擺脫行人地獄的惡名是我從過去在議員的時候就非常關心的議題那非常榮幸我提的這個行人交通安全設施的條例可以成為我擔任立委兩個月以來第一個三讀通過的法案"},{"start":5621.804,"end":5638.891,"text":"我還記得委員會討論的那一天﹐包括吳啟明昭委、蘇巧慧委員﹐張鴻祿委員、王美惠委員﹐然後洪生翰委員、林月琴委員﹐還有國民黨的黃建斌委員﹐我們大家不分黨派的一起坐在那裡﹐一整天逐條﹐一條一條詳細的討論﹐來共同關心交通安全﹐這個是我們樂見的。"},{"start":5644.733,"end":5665.733,"text":"那這個三讀通過的版本有個重點就是要先由中央來擬定行人安全的設施的推動計畫然後地方再根據這個計畫來制定行人交通安全設施那可以讓他有一個統一的標準這個非常重要那進一步的可以改善行人的空間不足還有行人空間不友善的問題"},{"start":5666.954,"end":5688.397,"text":"那在這個條例當中呢地方的主管機關也要針對市區內行人密集的場所來規劃行人友善區例如說醫院的周邊、校園的周邊這些都是非常關鍵的場所那在這些行人友善區也要提供連續而且無障礙的步行環境並且進一步管制車輛的使用"},{"start":5689.598,"end":5713.306,"text":"當然今天這個條例通過只是前進一小步因為在上週我跟蘇巧慧委員陳冠廷委員其實也有再次的召開公聽會有指出接下來還有很多事情要做包括說現行的道路的規範是缺乏一致性的然後內容包括圖例還有一些設計的情境確實也都不夠清晰那這些都是我們未來要努力的"},{"start":5714.707,"end":5739.525,"text":"當初其實交通部也有承諾說這些接下來我們也必須要進一步的做修正很感謝大家我們希望未來大家都可以在道路上安全自在的行走謝謝謝謝黃婕委員的發言報告院會本次會議議程所列討論事項均已處理完畢上午的會議進行到此為止下午5點繼續開會處理臨時提案現在休息"},{"start":30593.564,"end":30606.251,"text":"報告院會現在繼續開會處理臨時提案每位委員發言時間一分鐘請黃委員三三代表臺灣民眾黨黨團說明提案子去院長還有各位的同仁我想今天我們這個臨提的部分主要就是針對行人安全"},{"start":30623.175,"end":30650.262,"text":"本期代表臺灣民眾黨黨團希望在促進行人安全完善交通安全設施的情況下希望行政院在三個月內也能夠協同內政部、交通部、教育部還有各地方政府等單位落實行人交通安全的各項措施進行進一步的研議除了本會通過的法案三讀通過的法案之外其實目前為止我們認為還有一些可能需要再缺漏的地方"},{"start":30650.962,"end":30680.235,"text":"第一個為促進行人安全、完善交通安全的設施讓行人還有使用輔具的人都能夠行得順暢我們希望內政部還是要回同交通部以及各地方政府在增設、拓寬或改善人行道或行人穿越道的時候寬度應該保留均優先於車道跟汽機車的停車格寬度扣除道路設施障礙物外應該還有1.5米的近寬以上"},{"start":30708.408,"end":30730.158,"text":"謝謝黃珊珊委員的發言本院台灣民眾黨黨團提案作如下決議含請行政院嚴處請問院會有無異議無異議通過報告院會臨時提案已處理完畢我們繼續處理副議案兩件請議事人員宣讀第一案"},{"start":30731.585,"end":30750.206,"text":"請院臺灣民眾黨黨團．針對立法院第11屆第1會期．第8次會議．議事日程報告事項．第32案提出復議．請公決案。宣讀完畢本案作如下決定令定期處理請議事人員宣讀第二案"},{"start":30751.503,"end":30777.171,"text":"委員民進黨黨團針對第11屆第1會期第8次會議報告事項第37案、第48案、第62案、第69、第70案、第88案及第89案院會所作決定提出復議宣讀完畢本案作以下決定令定期處理報告院會本次會議進行到此為止現在散會"}]}}],"supported_filter_fields":["term","sessionPeriod","meet_id","legislator","committee_id","date"]}