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謝謝今天我們到場的有國家通訊傳播委員會的代理主委翁主委黃主任秘書歡迎人事行政總署的張專門委員跟賴專門委員熱情歡迎請坐"},{"start":2107.279,"end":2120.232,"text":"謝謝,跟各位黨團幹部特別報告一下,今天我們協商議題總共有六個案,其中通傳會的以及同意權,還有第四個調查委員會,我們六個案都在各位的手上,那麼"},{"start":2122.984,"end":2140.232,"text":"今天中午程序委員會已經列入本週五院會議程討論事項那這三案已經也都超過一個月的冷凍期等一下我們的協商是不是就依照協商通知單的六案順序來進行請問大家有沒有寶貴意見沒有好"},{"start":2142.079,"end":2152.181,"text":"沒有,那我們就第一案,通傳會組織法第十六條修正草案,有關施行日期的部分,現在請就各黨團幹部發表意見,請台灣民眾黨,請。通傳會的組織法在上個會期7月16號的時候,我們已經完成二讀跟三讀了。"},{"start":2164.008,"end":2182.705,"text":"那那個時候（在具體條文的修正上面（台灣民眾黨黨團的提案（其實是有壓實情日期啦那只不過說（最後台灣民眾黨黨團的提案（沒有獲得多數的支持那獲得多數支持的是中國國民黨黨團的提案"},{"start":2184.622,"end":2203.297,"text":"我相信那個時候在通過法律的時候應該大家的認知都是法律通過總統公佈就實行了沒想到說在第十六條的部分以前比較早期為了要因應整個通常會的組成有一些相關行政的配套作業"},{"start":2204.724,"end":2224.808,"text":"那所以早期十六條的規定（那所以早期十六條的規定（那所以早期十六條的規定（那所以早期十六條的規定（那所以早期十六條的規定（那所以早期十六條的規定（那所以早期十六條的規定（那所以早期十六條的規定（那所以早期十六條的規定（那所以早期十六條的規定（那所以早期十六條的規定（那所以早期十六條的規定（那所以早期十六條的規定（那所以早期十六條的規定（那所以早期十六條的規定（那所以早期十六條的規定（"},{"start":2232.611,"end":2255.026,"text":"就是要讓這個通傳會組織法的修正能夠去補足現在在施行的期間上面完全控制在行政院手中所產生的問題所以我們是提案希望在這一次二讀三讀了以後通傳會組織法就可以依法來生效"},{"start":2256.227,"end":2272.328,"text":"我們到院會處理的時候的修正動議不會讓它產生溯及的效力因為溯及到7月16號的話中間這個空檔可能會產生未來運作上面的一些爭議"},{"start":2273.59,"end":2290.021,"text":"那我們的修正還是會把它修正到我們禮拜五三度通過了以後公佈日再實行那基本上面的立法體力會比較像目前徐欣盈委員的21人提案"},{"start":2291.202,"end":2313.274,"text":"因為現在這個日期比較不好押,比較不好押的方式是說中央到時候什麼時候會公佈,處於一個不太確定的狀態。那在立法例上面看到時候秘書長還是議事處這邊的統人,看有沒有什麼具體的建議,以上。現在請民進黨團吳思堯,請柯建民總召請發言。"},{"start":2318.912,"end":2332.03,"text":"剛才黃總召也講得很清楚,那這禮拜五院會已經排上去,那當然我想這個院會會處理這個案子。這個案子處理完以後,當然剛才黃總講一個重點,"},{"start":2333.786,"end":2358.033,"text":"就是說總統所所公告公告後三天的生效那這個差不多十天內啦然後我不知道當然以總統公告後三天生效為基準點這樣就可以了所以到時候就是那那這樣的時候可能要再補提名嘛那後面到程序再來嘛好 柯建民總召好 謝謝接下來請國民黨團請發言那吳思瑤幹事長請準備"},{"start":2362.346,"end":2365.088,"text":"主席,我們在NCC的組織法事實上在上個會期就已經通過,那當時就是補正,這些委員他任期屆滿,事實上他就應該離職,可是"},{"start":2383.123,"end":2405.358,"text":"當時的條文是讓他任期還可以延到新任委員就職前一日所以在上個會期事上在我們的法令已經修正已經把它做一個調整可是非常遺憾的是我覺得行政院真的小動作太多對於立法院所通過的條文到現在沒有去把它"},{"start":2410.141,"end":2412.243,"text":"民進黨團提議（民進黨團提議（民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．"},{"start":2429.177,"end":2431.519,"text":"行政院也應該去尊重立法權在立法之後的行使這次這樣的小動作實際上是不必要變成立法院還要再做一個條文的修正去補正"},{"start":2446.832,"end":2450.636,"text":"提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議�"},{"start":2468.396,"end":2468.776,"text":"三、研商有關"},{"start":2483.729,"end":2486.372,"text":"謝謝吳斯堯首席副市長。接下來請吳斯堯幹事長發言,台灣民眾黨請準備。"},{"start":2498.428,"end":2525.216,"text":"謝謝院長。NCC組織法十六條（剛剛柯總召已經說明了（已經排入週五的院會（勢必院會會做處理。但是我們今天在做法案（處理前的最終協商（我想還是要回到法案舊條文論條文。我不樂見在野黨的委員（對於行政院以行政院的命令定之（來作為這個法的施行日期（來把它說是搞小動作。"},{"start":2525.976,"end":2526.377,"text":"二級機關的組織法（立法院黨團提議（"},{"start":2542.859,"end":2560.36,"text":"事實上組織法攸關的是該組織能不能夠健全的運作（所以立委在修訂的各個組織法之後（行政院相關的組織它勢必內部必須要依據修法去做很多的調動（"},{"start":2561.601,"end":2564.722,"text":"（共有十二個部、十一個委員會（含三個獨立機關（如果加上二級機關已降（"},{"start":2583.326,"end":2596.413,"text":"高達208個相關的組織（他的組織法都是施行日期（由行政院以命令定之。（所以我可以很簡要的來說明幾個（如果以獨立機關來講（"},{"start":2598.174,"end":2617.305,"text":"中選會組織法十三條（公平會組織法十六條（國家通訊傳播委員會組織法十六條（三個獨立機關的施行日期（都是由行政院以命令定之。（如果擴及其他的二級機關（不管是內政部組織法（外交部組織法（"},{"start":2618.506,"end":2638.08,"text":"國防部、財政部、法務部、經濟部、交通部、經管會、文化部、勞動部、樹發部、環境部、農業部等等,乃至於其他是委員會形式的組織法,都是由行政院以命令定職。原因就是我剛剛說的,"},{"start":2639.201,"end":2663.268,"text":"每一個組織法（立法院的修法、修正（會牽涉到該組織內部（不論是員額（不論是相關業務的條派（它都需要時間去因應（所以我想在這裡要導正一下（幾位在野委員的說法（這一次行政院對於NCC組織法的施行日期（由行政院以命令定居（這是長期以來（"},{"start":2665.229,"end":2693.181,"text":"國家法制的穩定性（安定性的必然運作（不是利用這一次的NCC（行政院搞小動作（是例外的作為（我想這個有必要在這裡（清楚的說明（所以依法、論法（民進黨團的立場（我們認為現在的條文（以行政院命令定之（來定施行日期（是合宜的（是穩定的（是永續的（也希望能夠讓在野委員能夠接納"},{"start":2699.381,"end":2719.05,"text":"因為今天主要是協商大家有沒有共識了不是針對上次NCC組織法的修正再重新論述一次所以有很多話本來其實就不用再講了那第二個部分所有的組織法為什麼一開始的時候施行日期要有行政願意明令定次"},{"start":2720.183,"end":2737.95,"text":"要牽涉到的組織的構成（它的編制（需要時間嗎（一開始的說組織法（立法會長成這樣（不是沒有原因的（但這一次NCC組織法的修正（有動到組織嗎（沒有（有動到原額嗎（沒有（有動到業務嗎（沒有（組織也沒有動（原額也沒有動（業務也沒有動（"},{"start":2746.812,"end":2772.991,"text":"怎麼還會有讓行政院來決定的理由那行政院來決定的理由他所執行的荒謬現狀就像現在這個樣子嘛讓一個根本已經不具備資格的人現在在違法代理NCC主委當然我說違法代理NCC主委這個詞可能執政黨他們不認同他們認為他是一個合法的代理主委那這個就牽涉到我剛剛所講的"},{"start":2774.38,"end":2799.171,"text":"每一個人在這件事情上面各個政黨在這個事情上面有各自的立場跟觀點但我們在7月16號二讀三讀NCC組織法的時候一個非常重要的目的就是要把萬年延任的條款給它可以廢止掉這最重要的目的那問題是現在的這個目的完全被空洞化了因為只要佐隆他一天不施行"},{"start":2802.149,"end":2828.244,"text":"這個萬年延任的條款就持續的存在所以才會產生今天這樣子的狀態其實這些話我必須要再強調一次我本來就不想講因為這裡是協商各黨有各黨的立場站在民進黨的立場可能7月16號的時候NCC組織法那條條文根本就不要修讓萬年延任的條款繼續存在他們的立場我也理解"},{"start":2829.264,"end":2832.251,"text":"但是我們不認同所以才會提案修法"},{"start":2833.343,"end":2858.071,"text":"我是希望在黨團協商的時候（大家把立場說一說（要不然又要坐時光機回去（從頭到尾再重新（白衛星的理由再講一次（這樣協商會變得（非常的冗長（大概我們希望（夏天所三讀修正通過的法律（能夠盡快生效（"},{"start":2860.532,"end":2881.79,"text":"然後讓整件事情可以再往下走因為其實我相信行政院也知道了這個法一生效他們現在所提名的NCC主委就不具備資格所以你勢必就是要重新的提名NCC主委的被提名的人到立法院來"},{"start":2883.168,"end":2907.897,"text":"那看你程序上面你要怎麼減變以解決問題的角度我覺得行政院應該有智慧自己去想一下但是兩條路嘛一條路是現在的被提名人審查以後不通過重新提名那另外一個你明明就知道你現在的被提名人不符合7月16號三讀通過的那個小級155件"},{"start":2910.083,"end":2933.581,"text":"那讓這個法生效通過以後（事實上對於行政院來講（其實有好處啊（讓他們可以加速做不辦提名（的動作（那立法院這邊及早的（來加以審議（其實你如果從這個角度來想的話（這是一個解決問題比較好的方式（以上。謝謝黃國昌總召的發言。國民黨團有沒有需要二輪發言?國民黨二輪。好,請柯建民總召,請。"},{"start":2942.235,"end":2967.696,"text":"我想有一些話重複的再講,包括記者會講過,今天也不應該再,也不需要再重複的講。那就是因為法就要修明,禮拜五就要處理法的穩定性,必須法的存在我們必須尊重。再去說誰,誰有什麼立場,都是,也不需要啦,我們今天就在這裡打出,好不好,又開始面對問題。"},{"start":2969.738,"end":2990.447,"text":"好謝謝那各位黨團幹部第十六條的內容大家沒有共識我們在這裡保留就送院會處理好不好那這裡面我有一個協商草稿我念一下請各位黨團幹部請聽一下兩個重點一十六條我們保留送院會處理這一二"},{"start":2991.786,"end":3019.591,"text":"本案院會進行處理之前（由各黨團推派一位（依台灣民眾黨（民主進步黨、國民黨團（順序輪流發言（每人發言為三分鐘（發言完畢之後（我們即依先後（進行各黨團版本的處理。好,請問各黨團幹部（對這樣子兩個協商結論（有沒有寶貴意見（如果沒有意見我們先把這個（好,謝謝那我先簽我們一個一個來,謝謝"},{"start":3027.825,"end":3049.724,"text":"請各黨邊簽字,謝謝。好,各位黨團該不該簽署的時候,我們現在來進行今天我們黨團協商第二案（研商有關考試院人事（各位列席的,謝謝你們,請,謝謝你們,好好好,謝謝。"},{"start":3055.117,"end":3074.834,"text":"（研商有關考試院人事同意權案（台灣民眾黨黨團、民進黨黨團提議（司法院人事同意權案（民進黨黨團提議（我們現在請提案的黨團（黃董昭,你先請發言,好嗎?"},{"start":3080.333,"end":3098.245,"text":"民進黨團請準備好謝謝喔那個其實剛剛那個民進黨柯總召所說的話其實我是百分之一百認同過去大家有不同的立場自己回去開記者會進行政治攻防就好了沒必要在黨團協商這邊長篇大論"},{"start":3100.646,"end":3116.193,"text":"考試院人事同意權我們展現了我們的善意我們提的案子從一開始在院會提案進入協商冷凍期交給台灣民眾黨黨團著急協商我們也著急協商了上個禮拜本來要處理"},{"start":3117.182,"end":3134.29,"text":"那院長調和鼎難說是讓院長再協商一次希望整件事情有一個比較完美的結果這件事情我們也都同意了那之前我們按照考試院人事同意權按照我們"},{"start":3135.35,"end":3155.233,"text":"立法院職權刑事法的通過因為新的規定有新的規定的時程那那個時程我們也去請教了我們秘書處相關的議事室同仁把那個時程給排出來了所以本來上個禮拜五我們所定的那個時程要處理的因為延宕了一個禮拜"},{"start":3156.5,"end":3179.726,"text":"要到這個禮拜我再處理,所以那個時程勢必要往後面再往後順眼。那如果說今天院長在協商的時候有具體的方案,要連司法院這副院長跟大法官都一併把它放在時程裡面來加以處理的話,只要在時程上面的安排,各個黨團的時間,"},{"start":3181.607,"end":3210.341,"text":"大家都可以配合的話我們並沒有什麼特別的意見那總而言之就是這一些人事同意權或許現在就趕快積極的來加以進行比較符合我們國家制度運作的需要也符合社會上面的期待但我只有一個小小的問題就是說我們今天在處理的其實只有司法院跟考試院"},{"start":3211.562,"end":3226.564,"text":"那有一件事情是NCC的委員NCC委員的提名他人事同意權的行使應該是在交通委員會嘛那問題是交通委員會那到底是誰要負責排案呢?"},{"start":3228.078,"end":3247.558,"text":"還是大家都不排就一直這樣子下去這個事情當然啦齁因為這個是院會的協商大概基本上處理院會的事務那只不過說社會上面大家也很關心NCC人事同意權審查的問題那如果說現在"},{"start":3249.66,"end":3272.523,"text":"我們在上個會期的時候花了相當久的時間利用院會的總諮詢去確認卓榮泰院長的爭議因為在野黨當初的善意本來是問卓院長說之前陳建仁內閣所提的他要不要思考他要不要重提他經過一段時間的考慮他願意幫這四個人背書"},{"start":3273.686,"end":3298.355,"text":"那到現在為止我們的交通委員會從來沒有排審過一次那這個事情是不是今天如果三大人士同意權案社會上面都有期待要處理的話今天要不要順便就一起把它討論把它討論一下謝謝台灣民眾黨團的黃祖昭的說明接下來民主進步黨請說明國民黨請準備"},{"start":3301.226,"end":3321.365,"text":"因為我們今天大家來這個地方是要行使立法委員在憲法上的職權,這個事關重大,而且也不可迴避。那過去的種種讓它過去了,我們今天全部來面對。那大家就是照,應該是照立法官實現以後,"},{"start":3322.779,"end":3349.696,"text":"那所謂同意權行使的內容以及精神,然後還有時間的限制等等來處理。這是第一點,我要談的就是這個。當然我們也期待,因為這個會議最多能夠還有總預算,還有國運事業預算,還有追加預算。所以因為時間是相當緊,而且相當寶貴。另外我想大家也有各種重要法案要通過。"},{"start":3350.856,"end":3365.731,"text":"所以我們必須很有效率、很坦誠的來面對這些問題。那我的看法就是說,有關於考試院同意權和司法院同意權試賞,我們有離一個表,但是我是覺得應該"},{"start":3368.021,"end":3392.274,"text":"作為台灣民眾黨,那邊有一個說明,我們再來對。沒有關係,我們再來對。那我講原則性問題就好了,可以同時並行都沒有問題。那另外有剛才黃國昌委員講到一個重點,也是沒有錯啦。那原則性同意權行使的時候,當行政院在提名進來的時候,"},{"start":3393.82,"end":3422.736,"text":"那總不能丟著不審嘛,那也會煩惱這個問題。只要進來的時候,民主召委,不管是國民黨或是民進黨,我們大家也共同看完承諾。就是到那一桌的時候可以審的時候,就排。反正這個同意行使就是面對嘛。誰可以過、可以不可以過,那當然就尊重。尊重大家的表意嘛。"},{"start":3423.636,"end":3451.707,"text":"所以我講的是嚴準問題而已。是不是待會請周恩來民主黨,你在司法委員會的會長說,你出一個你的可能的弱點和時針表,那就拿出來大家參考。那我們有什麼問題我們再次來討論。就是我的意思是說,有效率面對趕快來處理,可能是過不過,當然大家去面對好不好。"},{"start":3452.915,"end":3452.935,"text":"韓院長"},{"start":3470.6,"end":3495.467,"text":"剛剛我想不管是針對民進黨所提出的司法院大法官人選的這個同意權審查案或是民眾黨所提出的考試院這個相關的總統提名的人選的這個審查案國民黨在八月下旬就準備好對考試院"},{"start":3498.808,"end":3523.774,"text":"總統所提名人選,如果送到立法院來的時候,如果院內有召集開會的話,我們會信任同意來進行考試院的提名人的審查及同意權投票。對於司法院的部分,總統在最近的一個多月才提出來,"},{"start":3525.667,"end":3553.529,"text":"我們也很樂意來進行相關的這些審查。國民黨從8月就stand 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對不對這個東西主要的意思就是徵詢大家嘛能夠集思廣益嘛為國家舉財嘛這是朝野和諧的一個基本邏輯嘛一個基本尊重嘛當然各種要很強力表達這是總統職權我們也沒有說總統不能這樣做"},{"start":3919.469,"end":3943.12,"text":"但是一個基本邏輯（我想柯總統在立法院30多年（朝野本來就要和諧（很多事情的進行就比較順利（當然你可以一直強調（這總統職權可以全國獨斷（我們也尊重（所以我們剛剛也講（尊重（那既然已經（民進黨今天提出（正式提出要求來排成（"},{"start":3945.386,"end":3973.111,"text":"說實在本席對這些日期阿﹖我不會去很要求說阿你一定要哪一天哪一天哪一天我沒有這樣要求就配合這已經很極度尊重了嘛但是我要特別強調我要特別強調大家凡事多商量總是好事嘛對不對對不對柯總召阿給參眾一碗有好沒壞啦"},{"start":3975.475,"end":3982.841,"text":"因為二人發言完,我們台灣民眾黨講完,您先講好不好,您稍等一下。那個台灣民眾黨需要,請問一下二人發言。台灣民眾黨需要二人發言。沒有,因為齁,剛剛我聽那個副國務卿總召講,好像有個時辰。"},{"start":4004.226,"end":4019.691,"text":"因為剛副總召說那個時程他都同意我聽了嚇一跳因為我剛沒有看到那個時程所以我先跟院長說明一下我們正在研究他們所草擬的那個時程"},{"start":4023.1,"end":4033.294,"text":"有關時間的部分很清楚,大家看一看,可以調整,都是照正常程序排下去,因為我們來講一點,但時間不多了。"},{"start":4034.113,"end":4053.379,"text":"至於副總召、副總召案所所任的在黨協商,尊重一下。我要提一個,可能你都忘記了,你聽我講,總統在提名不管任何提名的時候,包括大官、包括考試委員等總統之間,他一定有審見小組。那審見小組有發函給各政黨推薦。"},{"start":4057.972,"end":4071.836,"text":"在這個過程大家不要忘記,都有發行給各政黨推薦（然後神仙小屋在審判以後再送進來（所以這個是一個國家行為（總統會尊重各黨的尊重（並沒有所謂協商（連我們都無有虧事打聽（徹底尊重總統"},{"start":4080.316,"end":4096.086,"text":"好,現在謝謝柯總召發言,那我們請議事處高處長宣讀一下我們整個人事同意權,我們預估的時程,這個非常重要。請大家先聽一下,沒關係,我們等一下書面資料會給大家。我們先就考試院的時程。"},{"start":4106.119,"end":4130.218,"text":"一分鐘,我們先把考試院的行動...這個抱歉我在這裡再表達一下因為國民黨團的這些工作同仁非常的認真所以本席有看到時程表我不是不知道時程表的情況之下同意那因為我們黨團已經先跟這個院方"},{"start":4130.979,"end":4153.996,"text":"立法院、院方已經有先要的時針表（所以本席看了一下（即便這個時針表要跟動我們都尊重（好不好（就實施我們的職權好了,謝謝副總長好,謝謝來,請大家看一下考試院的（我們預估的時針表（司法院等一下再發給大家（請我們高處長請宣讀給大家聽一下我們也有提議一張時針表大家看一下應該是可以對得起來的好不好"},{"start":4160.302,"end":4175.596,"text":"跟各位黨編報告一下因為我們的那個同意權行使的相關規範經過大法官這個憲法法庭第九號判決之後大部分都是合憲但是它跟過去同意權行使有幾個比較大的不同點"},{"start":4176.457,"end":4201.351,"text":"就是說將來同意權行使的時候（不管是依照憲法所提名的這一些憲政機關的被提名人（或者是依照法律由行政院提起的這些獨立機關的被提名人（這個呢在進行審查的時候呢都有一些時間上的限制那好比說這個自交付審查一定要超過一個月不能少於一個月那另外公聽會是一定要開"},{"start":4202.392,"end":4204.615,"text":"提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．"},{"start":4218.095,"end":4246.32,"text":"那分開審查之後進入到院會去進行投票表決的話是一定要記名,記名投票表決那這個就是一些比較大的方面所以因此我們在設計時程的部分呢那方才那個針對這個考試委員的部分呢我們星期五民眾黨的提案已經超過一個月的冷凍期已經列到星期五的討論事項了那我們今天是協商考委的部分跟大法官的部分那等一下我有發一個時程是"},{"start":4247.44,"end":4260.588,"text":"考試委員的時程部分是根據民眾黨所提的這些結構的內容那民進黨剛剛有提一個有關於時程的部分我們也可以印一下給大家參考先看一下之後我們看大家意見怎麼樣再來處理我們要發下去"},{"start":4269.833,"end":4296.26,"text":"那我跟大家說明一下最主要是我們將來在進行審查的時候呢原則上是應開公聽會所以我們會排一個星期一來開公聽會那至於審查會的部分如果比方說像這個通傳會的委員因為他現在是交通委員會主審那將來還會有一個公平會的委員送來了那是經濟委員會主審那這些都是委員會的召委"},{"start":4297.02,"end":4312.786,"text":"他們兩個召委彼此之間根據他輪值召委的權他去參考這個職權新司法的法條應開公聽會應開審查會然後時間要注意但是我們今天處理的是屬於憲法的部分我們院會要注意的"},{"start":4313.586,"end":4338.114,"text":"我們等一下是先處理考委的部分（如果有協商共識（我們就先簽（接下來繼續處理大法官（因為院會的時間（就如同剛剛柯總講（時間是有限的（我們當然是一個審查案（它要經過一個禮拜以上的時間（我們要逐案去排（這中間還要穿插一些預算案（所以我會建議說（我們是一天公聽會（然後三天審查會（然後其中（"},{"start":4339.272,"end":4363.398,"text":"超過十天之後,我們要進行院會的競名表決。（我們有一個時程表給大家（另外民進黨的資料,我們現在也發給大家（大家先看一下（我們等一下再來看共識如何（麻煩各黨黨幹部稍微看一下（包括剛才遞出來的民進黨的時間（的一個時間表（也請大家一併參考一下（稍等一下我們開始進行討論"},{"start":4564.305,"end":4565.191,"text":"我們休息十分鐘。"},{"start":4672.639,"end":4698.509,"text":"好 再一次感謝各位黨團幹部請坐我們剛剛討論了一下我們整個議程時程表接下來我們請柯建民總召請發言傅坤祺總召請準備請大家坐坐好不好那個麻煩一下各位請就座請就座 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在就把所有的院會都停開院會改開全院委員會的話事實上報告事項會沒辦法處理那我會這樣建議對我會這樣建議就是說五二一次院會對不對那是不是等一下留個二十分鐘我們來弄一下我們的草稿就是說星期五的半天我們原則上院會還是會去處理所謂的報告事項那星期五的下半天跟星期二我們就來開這個同意權的這些相關的東西我們先列個表出來"},{"start":5564.245,"end":5576.62,"text":"這個流星期五還有一些好處就是說我們現在還有附屬單位預算可能要協調然後委員會利用134再弄總預算將來弄完民進黨事實上有可能會遇到院會日了那我們現在就是原則上把"},{"start":5577.441,"end":5600.651,"text":"考委的同意權利用五二（然後大法官也利用五二（那剛剛有講三三一、二十分鐘（我們來設計一下那個規定（那二十分鐘之後（我們再把那個有關於考委的部分（大法官的部分（的洗腔結論的草稿給大家看（那至於追加預算的部分（就是可能看大家溝通怎麼樣（我再塞到裡面去（"},{"start":5602.406,"end":5604.206,"text":"我只想確認一下就是院會的時間二、五"},{"start":5632.452,"end":5654.602,"text":"每一次院會禮拜五到的時候,討論事項可不可以處理?不是喔,我講討論事項能不能處理指的是說,如果有一個法案,過了協商冷凍期,我要把它排上院會,不會因為那天有排人事同意權就卡住嗎?"},{"start":5657.885,"end":5669.21,"text":"這個就是我剛剛提這個問題最主要的理由就是說你把二五的時間全部都卡住了以後那法案是不是都不能處理了"},{"start":5670.219,"end":5693.416,"text":"就是那個總召所講的沒有錯如果說大家有共識決定要把院會日停開去處理全院委員會審查的事情嘛那所以你院會停開如果說每個禮拜五早上是不停開那不停開的話照原定一程就處理報告事項但是你的討論事項跟處理的時間就變得很有限了因為通常到了12點下午2點半就改開了這個理解齁如果規則是這樣子的話"},{"start":5695.077,"end":5722.876,"text":"我們對於所有都把他放在二五這件事情台灣民眾黨黨團沒有辦法同意沒有辦法同意沒有辦法同意的理由我說明一下是說具體全院委員會在審查的時候被提名的人他要上來回答問題嘛那事實上各個黨團派上去詢問問題的委員他的順序早就出來了"},{"start":5724.537,"end":5737.576,"text":"會很類似啦我們在院會裡面進行總諮詢那樣子的一個時程表所以對於各個委員會的運作事實上干擾是低的比如說輪到我上去問問20分鐘那我就上去問20分鐘嘛"},{"start":5740.78,"end":5760.59,"text":"除了二十分鐘以外,其他的時間我還是可以去委員會履行我的職責。但是你如果把二五的時間卡這麼多,全部都在處理這個,讓法案完全沒有辦法處理。對於這樣子的處理方式,我們是有所保留的。"},{"start":5764.723,"end":5765.343,"text":"你認為不要五二是嗎?"},{"start":5773.832,"end":5773.992,"text":"主席"},{"start":5804.312,"end":5804.973,"text":"韓國瑜、韓國瑜、韓國瑜、韓國瑜、韓國瑜"},{"start":5824.605,"end":5838.634,"text":"這一個是不是用五二?司法院的部分是不是用全院委員會再來處理?是不是用這樣折衷會比較好一點?因為那時候有法案的嘛。就是說考試院這部分都是用院會來處理。"},{"start":5840.835,"end":5854.582,"text":"司法院的部分因為委員會在審查總預算也差不多了所以司法院這部分可以用全面委員會來處理這樣的話你就不會影響到黃委員所注意的可能這個法案因為目前的法案進來不多"},{"start":5855.562,"end":5870.501,"text":"所以這個用院會來處理這個考試院的。我跟我們高雄市長講,是不是可以啊,把它拆啊,連司法院都是在院會,這樣的話可能就不會有黃委員所考量的問題,因為現在還要追加預算還要加進來院會吧。"},{"start":5871.903,"end":5892.744,"text":"那個牧師長既然是都是前院委員會就沒有所謂那個是院會這個是前院委員會而且這個結束以後因為現在這個結束以後我們可以排一天來處理法案因為法案事實上也不多了那這個結束13號以後我們可以馬上排嘛有一天來處理就好了"},{"start":5894.821,"end":5902.349,"text":"因為時間到也不多了啊。加開院會一天就好了啊。這個首位一下子可以定位,定位就是委員會。他就說我們再專門找一天加開院會來專門審理法的案。"},{"start":5909.136,"end":5924.123,"text":"三號以後可以 這是另外一個條文 那個影響度不大嘛 我想不管怎麼樣我們這邊需要15分鐘左右 我們來您另一個行政協調一下 你們正好私底下來協調一下 另外我突然想到一些事 先把草稿擬出來之後大家再來討論"},{"start":5925.496,"end":5952.33,"text":"各黨團幹部特別拜託一件事情,就是說所有的院會、全院委員會等等,請拜託大家黨團幹部推派一些委員在現場,不要讓現場都沒有委員,這一點要拜託大家,因為上一次我指向王振旭,我要特別去拜託王振旭委員你千萬不能走,我們審查法律案一個委員都不在,所以各黨團幹部這一點請大家一定要,對,你們一定要派委員,不然這個畫面出去,"},{"start":5952.95,"end":5955.438,"text":"很難交代拜託大家好吧謝謝突然想到這個"},{"start":7399.606,"end":7407.951,"text":"謝謝各位黨團幹部,大家請坐。剛才現在發到各位手上是我們育寧的協商結論。時間,113年11月12日,在"},{"start":7412.897,"end":7419.06,"text":"那我們協商的主題（台灣民眾黨黨團針對總統知情本院新式考試院第十四屆院長（副院長及考試委員被提名人同意權案提出審查時程（是否有當請公決案"},{"start":7439.949,"end":7456.709,"text":"我們這是協商主題。協商的結論。一、11月22日星期五下午改開全院委員會。舉行考試院人事同意權案公聽會。由各黨團推薦學者專家,代表七位參加。一、政黨比例,由國民黨黨團推薦三位。"},{"start":7459.272,"end":7469.131,"text":"民進黨黨團推薦三位（台灣民眾黨黨團推派一人（各黨團審查小組委員一、一以上數比例推派委員組成。"},{"start":7471.181,"end":7492.042,"text":"名單請於11月15日星期五中午12點前送議事處彙整。（預時視同放棄。（協商結論二11月26日星期二29日星期五下午12月3日星期二6日星期五下午改開全院委員會並合併為一次會11月26日"},{"start":7496.246,"end":7525.256,"text":"星期二上午審查考試院院長被提名人（下午審查考試院副院長被提名人（10月29日星期五下午（12月3日星期二、6日星期五下午（審查考試委員被提名人（每位被提名人（各由七位委員進行詢答（由國民黨團推派三位（民進黨黨團推派三位（台灣民眾黨黨團推派一位（代表進行。"},{"start":7526.431,"end":7546.321,"text":"名單請於11月25日星期一中午12點前受議事處會診,遇時視同放棄,尋答順序依例授權議事處辦理。審查完畢後,於12月17日星期二,院會上午行使同意權案,記名投票表決。"},{"start":7548.464,"end":7571.142,"text":"御尼協商結論三、上開行使同意權案投票時（考試院長、副院長及七位考試委員被提名人（並為一張同意票。（四、有關行使考試院院長、副院長及七位考試委員（被提名人同意權案相關事務及時程祥如賦表。（"},{"start":7571.963,"end":7579.383,"text":"五、各黨團如有關考試院院長、副院長及考試委員被提名人之書面問題（"},{"start":7581.452,"end":7607.183,"text":"請於11月15日星期五中午12點前送至議事處會診。11月15日星期五中午12點前送至議事處會診。並由本院含送提名機關轉至被提名人一例後續審查之進行。請問各黨團幹部對我們院本部所運營的這個協商結論的草案有任何寶貴意見?"},{"start":7608.84,"end":7611.161,"text":"請問有沒有就是說大家的題目數還是題目的一致性的部分來做一下討論,沒關係我們可以討論。"},{"start":7637.182,"end":7640.687,"text":"沒關係我們詢問,來請總長等一下那請翻臉10月15號大家要把題目送到總統府吧要問個問題吧"},{"start":7650.134,"end":7675.048,"text":"那是提幾個題目,當然政黨大小有限制嘛。然後呢,我剛才講過就是說,這個題的就是一個整個同意權行使的共同性問題。至於個別委員要問的就是到個別委員去執行的時候,所以我們只剩下一個題目,就是說各黨要提幾個題。"},{"start":7676.289,"end":7684.801,"text":"提幾幾?當然現在要談好,只剩下這個問題而已嘛。就是各黨團以限制或建議。是不是331還怎麼樣嘛?提題目數啦。"},{"start":7692.713,"end":7709.54,"text":"謝謝柯總召。國民黨團有沒有寶貴意見請插眼。因為這是法條明定的,就是說有關於會診的部分只有限於各黨團。那這邊的話是未參加黨團。那這一屆大家都參加黨團了啊。所以不會有。沒有。沒有個人的啊。"},{"start":7711.755,"end":7713.738,"text":"國民黨團王宏威首席副書長請發言"},{"start":7725.128,"end":7725.588,"text":"《立法院之權行使法》"},{"start":7743.598,"end":7743.718,"text":"三、研商"},{"start":7771.254,"end":7797.26,"text":"那接下來請台灣民眾黨團有沒有寶貴意見請表達這個條文一開始的時候即使是憲法法庭做了暫時處分也沒有凍結法律公告生效沒有凍結最後大法官也沒有對這個條文特別在說什麼到目前為止台灣民眾黨黨團"},{"start":7798.786,"end":7820.772,"text":"我們針對問卷的事情所做已經發出去的問卷我們早就發出去了完全是按照立法院職權的形式法在做的那當然被提名的人他們回答不回答反正也沒有法律效果嘛今天我們即使在這邊做了任何決議打開天窗說亮話"},{"start":7821.977,"end":7842.049,"text":"那些被提名的人不回答,不回答立法院能怎麼樣,也不能怎麼樣嘛。就會最後,你在投票的時候,每一個立法委員心裡有一把尺嘛。我問你的問題,你不願意回答,那當然會成為立法委員,最後要不要投同意票,還是不同意票。"},{"start":7843.649,"end":7864.406,"text":"他的基準嘛那你如果說針對立委、黨團依照立法院自行行政法所發出去的問卷你的問題有道理沒有道理社會大眾會檢驗你如果說寫了一拖拉顧非常愚蠢的問題或者是問了一堆根本就不應該問的問題就好像我們現在"},{"start":7867.202,"end":7875.591,"text":"在很多立法院公開的場合裡面你去問行政院院長很蠢的問題傷的是你自己也不會是被問問題的人嘛"},{"start":7877.372,"end":7902.12,"text":"那因此各個黨團就依照立法院職權行使法的規定就做自己覺得應該在同意權行使的過程當中應該要做的事嘛那你認為你應該要做的事情被提名的人覺得你根本無理取鬧寫了一百題很蠢的問題要我回答那我為什麼要回答那這個也是被提名的人他們自己的選擇好,請吳事由幹事長請發言"},{"start":7906.281,"end":7926.473,"text":"我想就回到條文,確實如剛剛在野的委員所提,同意權的行使在立法院職權行使法第四章裡頭有明確的一些條文29條開始。剛剛也提到,我們現在在協商討論的就是同意權行使在法律的授權之下,我們在決定遊戲規則。"},{"start":7928.274,"end":7944.57,"text":"所以同樣的在條文裡頭沒有哪一條告訴我們說各政黨可以推幾位來詢問每位幾分鐘這個條文也沒有明定嘛所以我們現在協商就是針對合線性的解釋下的同意權行使的程序透過朝野協商針對我們排幾天"},{"start":7946.432,"end":7948.752,"text":"提議（民進黨黨團提議（民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．民進黨黨黨團提議．民進黨黨黨團提議．民進黨黨黨團提議．民進黨黨黨團"},{"start":7974.657,"end":7996.144,"text":"但是在數量上是不是能夠做一個明確的討論,再來討論看看。我想這也沒有說違反條文的部分。那事實上我甚至也認為在討論大家提問的這個數量是有其必要的。為什麼?因為我們給予就條文的二十九之一的第二項很清楚地給予答覆的期限。"},{"start":7997.364,"end":8020.818,"text":"所以當然不樂見說可能這個在題目的數量上本身是溢出了這個合宜的答覆的時間的這個限制。大家要合理的提問。而事實上呢在個別委員或是黨團在未及於用書面來詢問的都可以在個別行使同意權的那個詢答過程在予以去做口頭的詢問。"},{"start":8023.422,"end":8050.784,"text":"剛剛有在議黨委員說（各自的黨團提了什麼樣的題目（這個也都是公開的（大家不會去問到什麼離譜的題目（否則一笑大方（我只是要提醒（之前確實是有對於大法官（跟考試院提名人（某黨團所提出來的書面問題（確實溢出了合議的部分（譬如說要求這些被提名人（來對於還沒有進行憲法解釋的條文內容（"},{"start":8051.364,"end":8052.645,"text":"提議（台灣民眾黨團提議．台灣民進黨黨團提議．台灣民進黨黨團提議．台灣民進黨黨團提議．"},{"start":8074.513,"end":8097.182,"text":"謝謝司法院長,柯總召要去...好,沒關係,請林思明署長發言,柯總召請準備。好,謝謝主席。那個,院長,我想我們立法委員不應該自我設限,因為現在我們的立法院之間其實法有關這一部分並沒有說我們說什麼問問題要多少題,我們有相關的規定。"},{"start":8097.822,"end":8121.951,"text":"那我們自己就自我矮化說我只能問幾題我想這個是非常離譜啦那我也希望說政黨你們有你們的立場你們想對這些考委在愛護他們的心態啦像他們當媽寶他們不會回答問題不至於啦我想我們問的問題也一定會非常的有深度所以你也不要去考量說我們會立題啦"},{"start":8123.992,"end":8152.62,"text":"所以我想設限真的是自我矮化,所以我想我們不贊成,謝謝。好,謝謝柯總,再發言,台灣民眾黨請準備。我們並沒有說什麼媽寶不媽寶的問題。包括我們剛才政黨比例問的時候,二二一也是法沒有明定。我們是講一個原則通則性的問題。因為要問問題的時候,當然我們,我剛才講就是說,每一個政黨、政黨比例有幾個問題,那我們大家設定好就好。"},{"start":8153.632,"end":8176.399,"text":"當然一定要有正常比率,這個我們先確定。第二個就是說,有關於個別委員,要詢問個別委員的事情,那就在執行的時候去處理,所以這樣才能夠走得下去。你這套一樣,這樣的大法官所有都是一樣,所以剛才王國燚講了一句話,他不回答也可以,但是呢,"},{"start":8177.779,"end":8185.022,"text":"民進黨團提議（民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議．民進黨團提議�"},{"start":8206.952,"end":8207.252,"text":"臺灣民眾黨團有補充意見嗎?"},{"start":8223.57,"end":8236.138,"text":"如果再說明一次各個黨團依照立法院職權行事法他要問的問題就提出來各個黨團對各個黨團所提出來的問題去負責任我們是不支持在黨團協商那個現場"},{"start":8238.012,"end":8238.833,"text":"各黨團幹部我們再休息三分鐘"},{"start":8570.533,"end":8591.396,"text":"非常感謝各黨團幹部,大家都非常意見都開誠布公,感謝。我們柯建民總召要求再一次發言,請。我今天再次也發言,並不是要袒護任何提名人,大家你放心,我們都有這種心態。那當然我是要先以一個先任管理和先任體制上的高度來看這個事情。"},{"start":8592.455,"end":8621.352,"text":"那當然我了解要去限制各黨現在大家可能談不下去我也可以接受但是呢我的原則就是說當你問他個別問題的時候他可以留待留待你質詢的時候回答他還可以不回答剛才黃中委員所談的那就用這個原則來那不要當作說他在比試的時候沒有回答就是這樣做成一個口實這樣我們這樣比較好好不好"},{"start":8622.413,"end":8638.766,"text":"這是一個民主嗎?謝謝柯建民總召的叮嚀跟關心,非常感謝。那剛才這個我們五點協商結論,請問各位黨團幹部有任何寶貴意見要提出?沒有的話,我就先簽署好不好?好,非常感謝。好。"},{"start":8648.988,"end":8658.153,"text":"謝謝那各位黨團幹部手上還有一個追加預算的資料在各位手上各位在簽的時候容許我來念一下立法院黨團協商結論"},{"start":8661.202,"end":8677.993,"text":"113年11月12日星期二下午3點半,地點紅樓302會議室,決定事項。11月19日星期二,邀請行政院長、主計長、財政部長及相關部會首長列席報告《113年度中央政府總預算追加預算案》。"},{"start":8679.938,"end":8708.505,"text":"編制經過並備諮詢（諮詢人數由國民黨團推派九位（民進黨團推派九位（台灣民眾黨團推派一位進行（諮詢順序依例授權議事處辦理（上述名單請於11月18日（星期一中午12點前送至議事處會診（議案詢答完畢後即交審查（各黨團同意不再提出複議（"},{"start":8709.605,"end":8712.908,"text":"各黨團推派的代表按照以前的例子,要不然就771嘛,要不然就992嘛"},{"start":8732.899,"end":8740.512,"text":"當然你如果說你一天的時間希望能夠充分使用的話讓大家想問的問題多問一點的話"},{"start":8742.884,"end":8760.969,"text":"站在人民的立場來監督．我覺得也是好事嘛所以我只想要爭取一下啦是不是992那如果大家絕對沒有辦法同意的話那就回到以前的771了解謝謝台灣民眾黨團、黃國昌總接下來請柯建民總統請發言國民黨團請準備上次曾經771後來變992當然那時候是大家協調的結果但是還回到立法院長期以來從來沒有這種"},{"start":8771.132,"end":8795.685,"text":"九九二這個事情,都是七七一,那我們就不要破壞。好,柯建民總召提出七七一,國民黨團請發言。沒有意見。好,請傅坤祺總召請發言。其實我覺得,我們大黨要有格局啦。既然,既然是這個,很重要的這個人事權的行使啊,各種"},{"start":8798.447,"end":8822.703,"text":"最佳預算也是一樣,人事權也是一樣我覺得我們要一貫的基層以事之難道預算案比人事權不重要嗎?所以說這是一個很簡單的事情我覺得大黨有很多的時間在表達意見我覺得讓小黨大家可以講992我覺得更無所謂啦這個無所謂啦"},{"start":8829.789,"end":8844.658,"text":"該來院會就要來院會嘛,該來報告就要來報告嘛。所以對過去柯總召常常啊,這個念念有詞不斷在講,該來報告該來問就來問,都要面對啦。我是覺得992我覺得沒有什麼關係嘛,這都是小事嘛,都是小事。在議會這麼久,歡迎歡迎所有的這個蔡偉強這樣比喻的發言。"},{"start":8856.405,"end":8874.473,"text":"就是這種比喻,就是771當然那時候我講說你們可以讓那過去不管是台聯不管是那個民眾黨實在一樣都是我們私下讓給他但是那個原則還是要守住就是說"},{"start":8875.738,"end":8903.856,"text":"雖然正常比喻是正常比喻,我想剛才黃國昌也不支持,也可以同意。我想就照一貫原則這麼多年來,市長沒有破壞過,說施加當就當嘛。所以還是照正常比喻這樣處理,否則的話正常比喻幹什麼?請台灣民眾黨黃總召請發言。我再說一次我的原則,按照比例我沒有意見。按照比例我沒意見。那如果是按照比例也不應該是991嘛。"},{"start":8906.08,"end":8933.771,"text":"對嘛對啦但是我現在發的我是完全按照這個書面來發言嘛有改771嘛那如果按照柯建民總召剛剛所講的這個比例的原則這麼重要的話我們剛簽那個協商結論要不要再回去修改一下用771啊怎麼會改成331呢這個比例不對啊這是剛性的原則啊剛性的結論啊硬邦邦的啊"},{"start":8934.531,"end":8934.551,"text":"韓國瑜"},{"start":8947.532,"end":8965.78,"text":"我們剛才簽的原則是同意權行使,大概經過協商的。這樣一個發言在立法院從來沒有被破壞過。我記得上次黃國昌委員是說,來十分鐘他說那我給我二十分鐘,給我多五分鐘時間來問。後來乾脆就..."},{"start":8969.386,"end":8978.819,"text":"九九二那是一個破例那在執行的時候我們總執行是不是照這張比例一定是這樣所以這個東西我們來鎖住也不插這個我並沒有說不讓誰問"},{"start":8984.561,"end":9008.246,"text":"謝謝大家我做一個我的經驗回顧那一天是我們在能源結構調整的時候同樣面臨到一模一樣的情況黃國昌總召提說15分鐘實在太短希望增加到20分鐘然後最後吳思瑤幹事長說既然如此我們就992如果我沒有記錯的話所以顯然992是有利可循我也跟柯總召特別報告一下就是因為當初"},{"start":9010.186,"end":9029.734,"text":"原頭就是因為黃國昌總統說15分鐘我們真的很難表示我們希望有20分鐘最後才同意了992這個我們就我大致上這樣講一下喚醒一下大家的這個回憶那我也要喚醒一下大家的記憶不要把992變成是我去套上去的"},{"start":9030.454,"end":9050.457,"text":"當初我要求的也是捍衛著我們立法院職權行使法（對於質詢的時間15分鐘（不得預15分鐘是回歸法律（吳斯堯的發言一切都是依據我們的法律（所以才會說（如果是15分鐘是一個基本的unit（是個單位的話（"},{"start":9051.638,"end":9054.18,"text":"（民進黨團提議（民進黨團提議（民進黨團提議（民進黨團提議（民進黨團提議（民進黨團提議（民進黨團提議（民進黨團提議（民進黨團提議（民進黨團提議（民進黨團提議（民進黨團提議（"},{"start":9082.279,"end":9084.701,"text":"你這個以後總書記的時候怎麼辦?這個制度不應該破壞"},{"start":9107.461,"end":9114.749,"text":"好像說要五分鐘不就要四、五分鐘勒?那是一個當然是要堅持四、五分鐘的嘛。所以這個這樣比例是沒有人破壞過的。好不好?"},{"start":9121.158,"end":9140.035,"text":"不是啊,上次我們是五委員提,是九九二的啊,對不對?15分鐘,啊你就說九九二也是你提的,所以對啊,也是你提的。啊現在我們柯總裁來過皇帝的命令就不行了,這樣不像是,這樣子前言不對後語好嗎?蔡議員前言不對後語,這樣不好。"},{"start":9178.746,"end":9181.99,"text":"所以我們釋出善意嘛,771,民進黨讓一個名額給民眾黨委員嘛,這樣子OK啊,771,因為過去都這樣,我們也願意。"},{"start":9826.933,"end":9846.175,"text":"謝謝各位黨團幹部,大家請坐。現在國民黨團傅坤祺總召要求發言,請。謝謝院長,我們還是這個原則,莫忘世上苦人多,協商最苦。"},{"start":9847.799,"end":9866.303,"text":"那我想今天也難得我看到柯總召像一尊佛坐在那裡剛剛一直都從協商開始都還蠻正常的那現在既然這個問題又觸礁了我要講話你不要用拿麥克風你不要搶麥克風我想院長這樣子啦因為剛剛柯總召一直強調意思慣例是如此"},{"start":9876.021,"end":9879.174,"text":"那這個我第一次從烏斯堯"},{"start":9881.555,"end":9907.253,"text":"這個幹事長嘴裡聽到我很感動的一句話立法院要照議事規則來走所以我非常感動他們竟然都這樣講所以不管是771、992我都支持但是我會把它一個概念就是說如果是771的話國民黨跟民眾黨是有巴西好不好這我們南白再討論就好了好不好"},{"start":9908.214,"end":9908.234,"text":"韓國瑜議員"},{"start":9936.442,"end":9946.27,"text":"好,謝謝副國務卿總召。柯總召請發言。台灣民眾黨團請準備。因為這個資本比喻牽涉到將來委員會人數的問題,以及召委選舉問題,所以這個非常慎重。過去就是像這樣了,我們來編組啦。就是誰讓自己去處理就好了。這樣比較隱瞞啦。謝謝柯總召。黃總召請發言。"},{"start":9965.095,"end":9985.537,"text":"我們要的基本上就是一個原則也感謝其他黨團的好意有人說要讓,有人說要混合邊處台灣民眾黨黨團我們要的就是按照原則來處理那可能在這件事情上面我們不會要求什麼特別的待遇"},{"start":9987.137,"end":9996.393,"text":"要七七也可以只是說可能下一次今天看起來協商剛聽院長的意思是到六點為止"},{"start":9998.499,"end":10027.251,"text":"沒有要繼續下去嗎那可能也請那個議事處的同仁稍微辛苦一下因為我們凡事要按照規則如果凡事要按照規則的話我們那個數學要把它計算好所謂數學要計算好是什麼意思現在台灣民眾黨八席嘛八席除以八等於一嘛"},{"start":10029.972,"end":10054.087,"text":"數學是不會騙人的8除以8等於1嘛那51除以8等於多少54除以8等於多少這個數學的商數啊要把它算出來因為我老實講按照數學的商數來加以計算正確的比例是7比6比1啊這才是正確的數學商數的計算這個數學一點都不困難"},{"start":10055.546,"end":10073.57,"text":"因為51除以8等於多少51除以8等於6.3多四捨五入根本不到7這很重要這牽涉到我們立法院以後遊戲規則的大是大非數學也沒很複雜8除以8等於1請問51除以8等於多少"},{"start":10079.145,"end":10093.834,"text":"等於6點多沒有超過6.5嘛那54除以8等於多少?等於6點多但有超過5嘛所以正確的比例應該是多少?應該是7比6比1啊這個才是正確的PROPORTION"},{"start":10095.069,"end":10108.888,"text":"那這個事情一點都不複雜所以是不是請那個院長麻煩我們議事組的同仁稍微計算一下這個原則非常的重要我覺得就把它給定下來好了"},{"start":10109.997,"end":10122.786,"text":"那以後我們也不用為了這個事情再多做爭論數學是騙不了人的啦我講一下這是政黨比例國民黨政黨是52人我是51人不是黨團比例好不好這是政黨比例"},{"start":10130.347,"end":10147.199,"text":"不是有兩位加入你們嗎?我沒有要幫中國國民黨證據。你用政黨比例也可以啊。看到底應該用政黨比例還是用黨團人數當比例。我們授權議事人員去計算。那算起來也應該是6比6比1吧。"},{"start":10151.766,"end":10154.987,"text":"提議．台灣民眾黨黨團提議．台灣民眾黨黨團提議．台灣民眾黨黨團提議．台灣民眾黨黨團提議．台灣民眾黨黨團提議．台灣民眾黨黨團提議．台灣民眾黨黨團提議．"},{"start":10180.236,"end":10197.014,"text":"沒有要智慧的餘地我尊重中國國民黨團他們的黨因為我自己的認知啦是高金素美委員跟另外一個委員是加入中國國民黨、黨團來運作嘛那在立法院裡面的運作當然是應該要按照加入各個黨團的人數來計算啦"},{"start":10201.133,"end":10216.569,"text":"不好意思喔,我現在在發言,你憑什麼按麥克風說我不准再吵?這個是哪門制的議事規則啊?請你把你的麥克風給洗掉。沒有沒有沒有,我覺得今天規則,把它給算清楚。"},{"start":10217.19,"end":10239.598,"text":"你如果要按照黨團人數的比例今天這個數字是錯的應該是7比6比1那如果中國國民黨黨團認為高清跟另外一位加入黨團的不要列入計算要6比6比1我們也沒意見但我覺得這個原則很重要牽涉到大是大非我們這一次把規則定清楚那以後這件事情就不要再爭論了"},{"start":10243.188,"end":10244.089,"text":"我好想再喊休息三分鐘"},{"start":10260.942,"end":10273.031,"text":"來,我跟大家報告一下,因為我們,我跟各黨團報告一下,明天後天,請大家做好心理準備,我們要繼續黨團協商。我們因為今天時間開始太晚,我們下午三點半,明後天可能要稍微早一點。"},{"start":10276.414,"end":10301.152,"text":"我想這一黨團這個數字已經在我手上,下一次我們來做一個報告,讓大家更能清楚一點。今天前面都非常的好,後面大家意見上有一點不一樣,在我也是覺得心裡很可惜。現在我們就接近六點了,那我們是不是後續的題目我們就找時間再來繼續協商。"},{"start":10305.477,"end":10306.318,"text":"我們休息三分鐘"},{"start":10417.272,"end":10446.187,"text":"謝謝各位黨團幹部,非常辛苦,大家都非常辛苦,讓我嘗試一下,再來念一下。也謝謝大家尊重主席的裁決。那,我們這次,我們所有的說案報告大家質詢的比例就是771。這一點呢,要請大家能夠同意。至於下一次朝野協商,我們會把最正確的數字來算出來,請各黨團要心理準備。那下一次我們會把正確的數字,而且完全是科學的。"},{"start":10446.687,"end":10470.014,"text":"而且是精準的。好吧,下一次我們來唸。今天我們就不要再影響這樣的一個氣氛了。那現在是接近六點。我們明後天朝以協商的時候,我們就繼續來協商今天所列的這些要協商的題目。那追加預算我們拜託大家簽一下好嗎?好,謝謝。我們會徵詢大家意見。他個別都有時間,對,會徵詢大家。"},{"start":10475.618,"end":10492.133,"text":"對稍微早一點今天上來下次草野協商展因為今天這個畫這個"},{"start":10517.452,"end":10533.553,"text":"好,各位黨團幹部,我們星期四下午兩點繼續朝野協商,好嗎?好,我們就不限時間了,星期四就一直往下推了,好不好?那下次順便會跟各位報告一下以後政黨發言的比例數字,一併跟大家報告,好不好?好,我們現在散會,謝謝!"}]},"meet":{"sessionPeriod":2,"tmpMeeting":null,"committees":[],"term":11,"id":"黨團協商-2024111196","type":"黨團協商","title":"立法院朝野黨團協商"}},{"id":"16251","url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16251","video_url":"https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302ddee9a7548bd3d95841150dfc2203686d5edb79b8bfb08e7998739b984412d75545ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","會議時間":"2024-11-12T12:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第2會期程序委員會第8次會議（事由：審定本院第11屆第2會期第9次會議議事日程及人民請願案）","type":"Full","date":"2024-11-12","委員名稱":"完整會議","start_time":"2024-11-12T11:30:00+08:00","end_time":"2024-11-12T12:19:00+08:00","duration":2940,"影片長度":"00:49:00","委員發言時間":"11:30:00 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宣讀完畢。這照審查會條文通過。第9條維持現行條文。請宣讀第15條。"},{"start":1915.39,"end":1930.615,"text":"第15條公共危險物品與可燃性高壓氣體應依其容器、裝載及搬運方法進行安全搬運,打管適量時,應在製造、儲存或處理場所以安全方法進行儲存或處理。"},{"start":1931.215,"end":1954.702,"text":"前項公共危險物品與可燃性高壓氣體之範圍及分類製造、儲存或處理場所之位置、構造及設備之設置標準儲存、處理及搬運之安全管理辦法由中央主管機關會同中央目的事業主管機關定之但公共安全物品及可燃性高壓氣體之製造、儲存、處理或搬運"},{"start":1955.442,"end":1984.441,"text":"中央目的事業主管機關令定有安全管理規定者依其規定辦理職務涉及第一項所定場所之工作者或經營家用液化石油器零售事業者以下簡稱零售業者用戶及其員工得向指向市縣市主管機關續名事實或檢據證據資料舉發違反情惡相致行為指向市縣市主管機關對前項舉發人之身份應予保密"},{"start":1985.021,"end":2007.088,"text":"第三項舉法者至單位主管、雇主不得因其舉法行為而予以解雇、調職或其他不利之處分。單位主管、雇主為前項行為之一者無效。第三項舉法內容經查證書時並處以罰還者,應以學收罰還總金額收入至一定比例,提充獎金獎勵舉法人。"},{"start":2009.069,"end":2026.634,"text":"請向局方人獎勵資格、獎金提充比例、分配方式及其他相關事項之辦法由直轄市縣市主管機關定之。 宣讀完畢。第15條遭審查會條文通過。 第15條之6維持縣行條文。第16條維持縣行條文。 第21條之1請宣讀。"},{"start":2032.557,"end":2049.617,"text":"第二十一條之一。 消防指揮人員搶救工廠、儲存化學品質倉庫或儲存場所及一定規模以上之實驗室或倉庫火災時,其管理權人應依下列規定辦理。一、提供場所平面配置圖及搶救必要資訊。"},{"start":2050.578,"end":2077.208,"text":"二、提供該場所化學品之種類數量、位置、平面配置圖及搶救必要資訊。 三、前二款之必要資訊應依中央各主管機關之規定更新上傳至指定之網路平台。 四、立即指派專人至現場並協助救災。前項一定規模以上之實驗室或倉庫由中央主管機關會商目的事業主管機關公告之。 宣讀完畢。"},{"start":2078.53,"end":2082.321,"text":"照審查會條文通過徵定第21條之二請宣讀"},{"start":2085.509,"end":2114.263,"text":"第21條之二工廠儲存化學品之倉庫及儲存場所之管理全然對於具有危害性之化學品應於該場所明顯位置設置危害風險標示板危害風險有變動時並應及時更新前項具有危害性之化學品範圍項目與危害風險標示板之等級內容、顏色、大小及設置位置由中央主管機關公告之宣讀完畢"},{"start":2115.373,"end":2130.091,"text":"照審查會條文通過徵定第三章之一章明第三章之一消防人員安全衛生防護宣讀完畢照審查會章明通過徵定第25條之一請宣讀"},{"start":2132.864,"end":2158.26,"text":"第25條之一 中央主管機關為預防消防人員基於其身份與職務活動所可能引起之生命、身體及健康危害應領聘消防機關代表、公務人員、協會代表及學者專家組成消防人員職務安全衛生諮詢會以下簡稱諮詢會諮詢會委員任意性別比例不得少於三分之一"},{"start":2159.481,"end":2182.421,"text":"諮詢會應就消防人員之職務安全衛生政策、安全衛生管理系統、安全衛生防護設備及措施等事項提供建議。諮詢會之組成任務、委員之資格條件、聆聘方式及其他相關事項之辦法由中央主管機關定之。 宣讀完畢。召審者會議條文通過。請徵定第25條之二。 請宣讀。"},{"start":2184.264,"end":2209.037,"text":"第25條之二,各級消防機關應設安全衛生專責單位及至專責人員,但預算原額數未滿200人者,但僅至安全衛生專責人員。各級消防機關應執行下列事項,一、藉制消防人員安全衛生管理系統,二、提供所屬消防人員執行職務必要之安全衛生防護設備及措施,"},{"start":2209.657,"end":2215.907,"text":"各級消防機關應將前向各款事項公告周知所屬消防人員。 宣讀完畢。"},{"start":2224.941,"end":2248.701,"text":"請宣讀。 第二十五條之三,各級消防機關一公務人員保障法第十九條相關規定組成安全及衛生防護小組織成員,任一性別比例不得低於三分之一,其消防基層人員比例不得低於五分之一。 宣讀完畢。 照審查會條文通過徵定第二十五條之四,請宣讀。"},{"start":2249.71,"end":2274.969,"text":"第25條之四﹐各級消防機關應辦理下列事項﹐並報請中央主管機關備查﹐一、定期統計及評估消防人員﹐安全衛生管理系統之介致成效﹐二、消防人員依其工作、乘坐﹐作業活動或其他職業上原因﹐引發疾病、傷害、失能或死亡之事故﹐及時通報並做成調查記錄。 宣讀完畢。"},{"start":2275.785,"end":2277.708,"text":"照審裁會條文通過,請徵定第25條之5,請宣讀。"},{"start":2281.397,"end":2308.735,"text":"第二十五條之五,中央主管機關或勤委託之團體、機關構及學校﹐得查核各級消防機關、消防人員、安全衛生管理系統之建置情形﹐並由中央主管機關公告查核結果。前項查核結果,績效良好者﹐中央主管機關得予獎勵及公開表揚,執行不利者﹐得令其改善及提出懲處建議。宣傳彼。照審查會條文通過﹐"},{"start":2309.68,"end":2330.908,"text":"徵定第25條之六,請宣讀。徵定第25條之六,各級消防機關對於所屬消防人員的定期實施特定項目之健康檢查必要時並得實施臨時健康檢查及檢查之項目及方式,由中央主管機關、會商、衛生、環保等相關機關定制。"},{"start":2331.648,"end":2354.787,"text":"消防人員有接受前項健康檢查之義務。另一項健康檢查應由中央衛生主管機關評鑑合格之區域醫院或醫學中心為之。健康檢查紀錄應由各級消防機關予以保存並負擔健康檢查費用。實施臨時健康檢查時,各級消防機關應提供救災作業經歷資料與醫院。"},{"start":2356.989,"end":2369.235,"text":"各級消防機關對於所屬消防人員健康檢查之結果應通報中央主管機關被查以作為與其職務相關疾病預防之必要應用。 宣讀完畢。"},{"start":2375.7,"end":2404.961,"text":"第二十五條之七各級消防機關對所屬消防人員應施以執行職務與預防災變所必要之安全衛生教育及訓練消防人員有接受之義務前向必要之安全衛生教育與訓練事項訓練單位之資格條件管理及其他應遵行事項之規則由中央主管機關定之。 宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過增訂第二十五條之八請宣讀"},{"start":2405.714,"end":2430.206,"text":"第25條之八﹐各級消防機關應考量消防人員性別﹐年齡﹐身心障礙等因素之特殊需要﹐提供適當之環境﹐安全衛生防護設備及措施﹐各級消防機關對於女性認成中﹐或分娩後未滿2年之消防人員﹐處應提供適當之環境﹐安全衛生防護設備及措施外﹐並應依依之"},{"start":2430.826,"end":2439.58,"text":"事性評估建議採取勤務調整或必要之健康防護措施。宣讀完畢。 照審查會條文通過增訂第25條之9請宣讀。"},{"start":2441.857,"end":2462.315,"text":"第二十五條之九各級政府辦理修防人員之安全衛生防護設備措施及健康檢查所需經費應優先編列預算指引。 宣讀完畢。照審査會條文通過委員范雲等提案第二十五條之十我們不予增訂第二十七條之一請宣讀"},{"start":2463.237,"end":2488.698,"text":"第27條之一各級主管機關為調查消防及義勇消防人員因災害搶救或其他消防勤務至發生死亡或重傷或受傷程度符合公教人員保險順能及附標準之順能等及事故之原因應聘請相關機關各團體代表學者專家及基層消防團體代表組成災害事故調查會以下檢討調查會"},{"start":2490.479,"end":2515.689,"text":"調查會應製作事故原因調查報告提出災害搶救改善經營事項及追蹤改善經營事項之執行。調查會為執行業務所需得向有關機關構、調閱或要求法人、團體、個人提供資料或文件。調閱之資料或文件也經司法機關或監察院先為調取時應由其續名理由並提供副本。"},{"start":2516.269,"end":2535.769,"text":"如有爭當理由無法提出副本者應提出已被他機關調取之證明。第一項調查會其組成委員之資格條件、聘請方式、處理程序及其他應遵行事項之辦法由中央主管機關定之。宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過第28條請宣讀。"},{"start":2537.574,"end":2555.992,"text":"第二十八條 直轄市縣市政府得編組義勇消防組織協助消防緊急救護工作其編組訓練、演習、服勤及其他相關事項之辦法由中央主管計劃定之。前項義勇消防組織所需裝備器材資金費"},{"start":2556.753,"end":2574.738,"text":"由中央主管機關部助資參加第一項義勇消防組織人員之安全衛生防護事項,得選用第25條之二第二項、第25條之四、第25條之六第一項及第三項規定。 宣讀完畢。 照審查會條文通過,第35條請宣讀。"},{"start":2577.096,"end":2594.154,"text":"第三十五條,場所之管理權人有下列情形之意,於發生火災時致人與死者處一年以上七年以下有期徒刑,得併課新台幣一百萬元以上五百萬元相罰金,致重傷者處六月以上五年以下有期徒刑,"},{"start":2594.654,"end":2623.918,"text":"等賓科信貸幣50萬元以上250萬元以下罰金。 一、第6條第一項鎖定標準應設置消防安全設備之供醫院使用場所為依規定設置或維護消防安全設備。 二、第6條第4項鎖定應設置住宅用火災警報器之場所為依規定設置或維護住宅用火災警報器。 三、第13條第一項鎖定一定規模以上之建築物"},{"start":2624.678,"end":2647.706,"text":"為訂定消防防護計劃或施工中消防防護計劃或為依各竿計劃執行有關避難引導必要之業務。 四、第15條第一項鎖定打管質量公共危險物品之製造、儲存或處理場所未符合同條第二項鎖定辦法中有關設置或維護場所之位置、構造或設備規定。"},{"start":2648.886,"end":2669.858,"text":"五、第十五條之六第一項所定製造、儲存及處理公共危險物品和其打管質量30倍以上場所,為奠定消防防災計劃或為因消防防災計劃執行有關避難引導必要之業務。 宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過,第35條請宣讀。第37條,更正,第37條請宣讀。"},{"start":2676.311,"end":2695.709,"text":"第37條違反第6條第一項消防安全設備第4項住宅用火災警報器設置維護之規定或第11條第一項防驗物品使用之規定者依下列規定處罰依供營業使用之場所處場所管理權人新台幣2萬元以上30萬元一項罰款"},{"start":2697.911,"end":2722.899,"text":"並通知限期改善。 二、非公營業使用之場所,經通知限期改善,藉其未改善,處場所管理權人新台幣2萬元以上30萬元以下還,並通知限期改善。 一、前項規定處罰還後,通知、經通知限期改善,藉其人不改善者得按次處罰,並得予以30日以下之停業或停止其使用之處分。"},{"start":2723.78,"end":2735.415,"text":"規避方案或拒絕第6條第2項之檢查復查者處新台幣6千元以上10萬元相還並按次處罰及強制執行檢查復查。 宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過第40條請宣讀。"},{"start":2739.673,"end":2768.786,"text":"第40條 一定規模以上之建築物、結工營業使用場所違反第13條第一項規定未由管理權人領用防火管理人 定定消防防護計劃或違反同條第三項規定未定定施工中消防防護計劃者除其管理權人新台幣2萬元以上30萬元消防還有發生火災最深重大損害之餘者並得勒令管理權人停工"},{"start":2769.526,"end":2790.826,"text":"時空中消防防護計劃非經依同條第四項規定被查不得擅自復工。 一定位目以上之建築物發生火災時,管理權將違反第十三條第四項規定。 為依消防防護計劃執行有關防火管理上必要之業務,處新台幣2萬元以上30萬元相還。"},{"start":2791.907,"end":2819.12,"text":"有項列進行之一,經通知現期改善、屆期未改善者,除其管理權人新台幣2萬元以上、10萬元相還。一、一定規模以上之建築物且非公營業使用場所違反第13條第一項規定,為由管理權人領用防火管理人訂定消防防護計劃,或違反同條第三項規定,為訂定施工中消防防護計劃。"},{"start":2820.3,"end":2836.049,"text":"二、違反第13條第4項規定,未有管理權人將同條第一項及第三項之消防防護計劃報請建築物所在地主管機關被查,或為依各單計劃執行有關防火管理上必要之業務。"},{"start":2838.11,"end":2851.878,"text":"違反第13條第5項規定為有各管理權人協議領用共同防火管理人訂定共同消防防護計劃或為共同將消防防護計劃包建築物所在地主管級位被查"},{"start":2852.538,"end":2880.564,"text":"或為依被查之共同消防防護計劃執行有關共同防火管理上必要之業務。 四違反第13條第7項規定防火管理人或共同防火管理人非該場所之管理或監督曾次人員或任職期間未定期接受復訊。 五違反第13條第10項規定未於規定期限內將領用或移動之防火管理人或共同防火管理人"},{"start":2881.484,"end":2898.656,"text":"報請建築物所在地主管及外備查。 六、為本地十三條之一地下規定高層建築物之防災中心或地下建築物之中央管理室未至領有合格證書之扶勤人員或扶勤人員任職期間未定期接受復讐。"},{"start":2899.697,"end":2924.455,"text":"其違反第13條之一第四項規定,位於規定期限內將零用或異動之扶勤人員報請通條第一項建築物所在地主管即會被查,依第一項及前項規定處罰還後,經通知限其改善,藉其仍未改善者得按次處罰,並得予以30日以下之停業或停止其使用之處分。"},{"start":2925.356,"end":2952.084,"text":"宣讀完畢。 照審查會條文通過第42條請宣讀。第42條第15條第一項所定打管質量公共危險物品及可燃性高壓氣體制製造儲存或處理場所其儲存、處理或搬運未符合同條第二項所定辦法中有關安全管理規定者除其管理權人或行為人新台幣2萬元以上30萬元相還"},{"start":2953.144,"end":2972.234,"text":"第15條第一項鎖定打管質量公共危險物品及可燃性高壓氣體制製造、儲存或處理場所及位置、構造或設備,未符合同條第二項鎖定辦法中有關設置標準規定者,除其管理權人新台幣2萬元以上、150萬元下方分。"},{"start":2974.295,"end":3000.983,"text":"以前二項規定處罰還後﹐經通知縣級改善﹐藉其人為改善者﹐得按次處罰﹐並得予以30日以下之停業﹐或停止其使用之處分。 第15條16第一項規定之管理權人﹐為則由保安、監督人﹐訂定消防防災計劃﹐處新台幣2萬元以上30萬元相罰還﹐並通知縣級改善﹐藉其為改善者﹐得按次處罰﹐"},{"start":3002.143,"end":3020.838,"text":"製造、儲存及處理公共危險物品和其他管制量30倍以上場所發生火災時,管理全人為本地15條之六第一項規定,為依消防防護計劃執行有關危險物品管理必要之業務,處新海幣2萬元以上30萬元相還還。 宣傳完畢。"},{"start":3022.85,"end":3036.738,"text":"照審查會條文通過。報告院會現在在議場二樓旁聽的來自亞洲大學學生議會的所有同學熱烈歡迎。熱烈歡迎。第42條之一請宣讀。"},{"start":3040.543,"end":3061.43,"text":"第42條之一,違反第15條之一,有下列情形之一者,處負責人及行為人心得逼一萬元以上、五萬元相反昏,並等命期限期改善,即其為改善者等案次處罰或禁與停業處分。一、為勿用、零有合格證照者,從事熱水器及配管之安裝。"},{"start":3062.31,"end":3076.815,"text":"二、違反第15條之一、第三項, 熱水器及配管安裝標準從事安裝工作者。 三、違反或逾越營業登記事項而營業者。 宣讀完畢。照審才會條文通過。 第42條之3"},{"start":3078.913,"end":3107.298,"text":"請宣讀。第42條之3有下列情形之一者處心臺幣2萬元以上10萬元相罰還並通知現即感染、進級為感染者的案次處罰。一、零售業者違反第15條之2第一項規定為致零有合格證書之安全技術人員。二、管理權人違反第15條之5第4項規定為委託中央主管機關許可之專業機構實施除草定期檢查。"},{"start":3108.118,"end":3128.135,"text":"或為依規定期限完成初次定期檢查或除草定期檢查紀錄為至少保存5年。 三、第15條之5第4項規定之除草經專業機構實施定期檢查之結果不符同條第5項鎖定辦法中有關合格基準之規定。"},{"start":3130.176,"end":3144.688,"text":"四、專業機構為依第15條之5、第5項鎖定辦法中有關檢查項目方式合格期券、定期檢查頻率之規定檢查或為不實檢查紀錄。五、專業機構違反第15條之5、第6項鎖定辦法中有關舉行業務之規範、資料之檢指保存或申報之規定。"},{"start":3151.634,"end":3170.829,"text":"六、第15條之六第一項規定之管理全人為將消防防災計劃報請場所所在地主管機關被查或為以消防防災計劃執行危險物品管理必要之業務或為擇用安全檢查員執行構造、生命維護或自主檢查。"},{"start":3172.17,"end":3196.789,"text":"七、第十五條之六第一項規定之管理權人為領用符合同條第二項規定資格之保安監督人或保安檢察員八、第十五條之六第一項規定之管理權人違反同條第四項規定未於規定期限內將領用或異動之保安監督人或保安檢察員報請同條第一項場所所在地主管機關備償"},{"start":3198.15,"end":3223.013,"text":"第15條政府第4項規定之除草,由前項第3款進行,處罰其管理權人並通知縣級改善及其未改善者並得令停止使用、儲存、議題、公共危險物品除草。 第一項第4款之事業機構,經依同項規定處罰為並通知縣級改善及其未改善者並得予一個月以上、一年以下停止"},{"start":3224.213,"end":3243.12,"text":"執行業務或廢止許可之處分。 第一項、第五款之專業機構請依同項規定處罰還並通知現期改善。 進行為改善者並領餘30人以下停止執行業務或廢止許可之處分。 宣讀完畢。 第一,照審查會條文通過,第43條維持現行條文。 第43條之一,請宣讀。"},{"start":3249.315,"end":3272.4,"text":"第43條之一 工廠儲存化學品之倉庫或儲存場所及一定規模以上之實驗室或倉庫之管理權人違反第21條之一 定向第一款規定或暫時為提供場所平面配置圖及講究必要資訊或提供資訊內容虛偽不實者處管理權人新台幣5萬元以上、300萬元相反寬。"},{"start":3274,"end":3291.89,"text":"前項場所之管理權人違反第21條之一、第一項、第二款規定或暫時未提供該場所化學品之種類、數量、位置、平面配置圖及搶購必要資訊或提供資訊內容虛偽不實者,處管理權人新台幣10萬元以上、500萬元相還。"},{"start":3294.091,"end":3312.906,"text":"第一項場所之管理權人違反第21條之一第一項第四款規定,為立即指派專人至現場並協助求責,處管理權人新台幣50萬元以上、1000萬元下發款。但該場所未製造、儲存或處理化學品者,處新台幣5萬元以上、300萬元下發款。"},{"start":3314.947,"end":3343.599,"text":"第二水條出了第一項規定之城鎖管理權人對於具有危害限制化學品違反該項規定位於該場所明顯位置設置危害風險標示板或危害風險有變動時為即時更新或設置標示板違反圖條第二項公告有關等級、內容、顏色、大小或設置為城鎖規定者處管理權人新台幣2萬元以上150萬元相還"},{"start":3344.739,"end":3368.958,"text":"宣讀完畢。 照審查會條文通過徵定第43條之二,請宣讀。 第43條之二,各級消防機關有下列情形之一,經中央儲管機關或上級機關通知限期改善,藉其為改善者儲新台幣3萬元以上30萬元消防環。一、問議第25條之二,第一項規定,設安全衛生專責單位或指專責人員。二、"},{"start":3372.16,"end":3399.435,"text":"衛衣第25條出了第二項第一款規定堅持消防人員安全衛生管理系統或衛衣同條上第二款規定提供所屬消防人員執行職務必要之安全衛生防護設備或措施。宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過國民黨團羅廷維委員等分別提案第46條之一我們均不予增訂第47條請宣讀"},{"start":3401.892,"end":3419.808,"text":"第47條本法自公佈日實行本法中華民國113年11月12日修正之條文實行日期由行政院定之。宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過全案經過二讀報院會現有民進黨黨團提議進行三讀請問院會有異議?沒有異議我們請宣讀經過二讀之條文"},{"start":3429.775,"end":3443.503,"text":"第一條,為預防火災、搶救災害及緊急救護,以維護公共安全、確保人民生命財政,並防護消防人員執行職務之安全及衛生,特制定本法。"},{"start":3446.314,"end":3467.146,"text":"第15條公共危險物品與可燃性供氧氣體應依其容器、裝載及搬運方法進行安全搬運。導管這兩時應在製造、儲存或處理場所以安全方法進行儲存或處理。前項公共危險物品與可燃性供氧氣體之範圍及分類。"},{"start":3468.807,"end":3496.267,"text":"製造、儲存或處理場所之位置、構造及設備之設置標準、儲存、處理及搬運之安全管理辦法由中央主管機關匯同中央目的事業主管機關替之,但公共安全物品及可燃性公用氣體之製造、儲存、處理或搬運中央目的事業主管機關令定由安全管理規定者依其規定辦理。"},{"start":3497.969,"end":3513.221,"text":"職務涉及第一項鎖定場所施工作者或經營交用液化石油器零售事業者以下簡稱零售業者﹐用戶及其員工﹐達項指詳是縣市主管機關須以明事實或檢據證據資料舉發違反前二項執行為﹐"},{"start":3516.483,"end":3535.469,"text":"直銷稅縣市主管機關對前項舉發人質身份應予保密。 第三項舉發人質單位主管雇主不得因其舉發行為而予以解雇、調職或其他不利之處分。 單位主管雇主為前項行為追疑者無效。"},{"start":3536.529,"end":3557.63,"text":"第三項舉發內容經查證屬實並處以法環者應以學生法環總金額收入之一定比例提供獎金獎勵舉發人。前項舉發人獎勵資格獎金提供比例分配方式及其他相關事項之辦法由直轄市縣市主委機關定之。"},{"start":3559.502,"end":3585.807,"text":"第二十一條之一,消防指揮人員搶救工廠﹐儲存化學品質倉庫或儲存倉所及一定規模以上的實驗室或倉庫火災時﹐其管理學人應依下列規定辦理。一、提供場所平面配置圖及搶救必要資訊。二、提供該場所化學品質種類、數量、位置平面配置圖及搶救必要資訊。"},{"start":3586.967,"end":3607.624,"text":"三、前二款之必要資訊應依中央各主管機關之規定更新上傳至指定之網路平台。四、立即指派專人至現場並協助救災。傾向一定規模以上之實驗室或倉庫由中央主管機關會商目的試驗主管機關公告之。"},{"start":3609.642,"end":3623.579,"text":"第21條之二工廠儲存化學品之倉庫及儲存場所之管理權人對於具有危害性之化學品應於該場所明顯位置設置危害標識風險危害風險標識本危害風險有變動時並應及時更新"},{"start":3630.386,"end":3647.179,"text":"前項具有危害性之化學品分為項目與危害風險標示板之等及內容、顏色、大小及設計位置由中央主管機關公告之。 三、1消防人員安全衛生防護"},{"start":3649.878,"end":3676.562,"text":"第25條之一 中央主管機關為預防消防人員基於其身份與職務活動所可能引起之生命、身體及健康危害應聘請消防機關代表、公務人員、協會代表及學生專家組成消防人員職務安全衛生諮詢會 諮詢會委員任意性別比例不得少於三分之一"},{"start":3678.003,"end":3696.819,"text":"諮詢會應就消防人員之職務安全衛生政策、安全衛生管理系統、安全衛生防護設備及措施等事項提供建議。諮詢會之組成任務、委員之資格條件、聆聘方式及其他相關事項執辦法由中央主管機關定之。"},{"start":3698.786,"end":3725.206,"text":"第25條之二,各級消防機關應設安全衛生專責單位及至專責人員,但預算員額數未滿200人者,等起至安全衛生專責人員。各級消防機關應執行下列事項。一、建置消防人員安全衛生管理系統。二、提供所屬消防人員執行職務必要之安全衛生防護設備及措施。"},{"start":3725.866,"end":3751.489,"text":"各級消防機關應將前項更換事項公告組織所屬消防人員。 二、25條之三各級消防機關依公務人員保障法第19條相關規定組成安全及衛生防護小組織成員任意性別比例不得低於三分之一其消防機場人員比例不得低於五分之一"},{"start":3753.615,"end":3778.608,"text":"第25條之四﹐各級消防機關應辦理下列事項﹐並報請中央主管機關被查﹐一、定期統計及評估消防人員﹐安全衛生管理系統之建制成效﹐二、消防人員因其工作場所﹐作業活動或其他職業上原因﹐引發疾病、傷害、失能或死亡之事故﹐及時通報並做成調查記錄。"},{"start":3782.952,"end":3808.883,"text":"第25條 中央主管機關或其委託之團體、機關構及學校﹐的查核各級消防機關、消防人員、安全衛生管理系統之間之情形﹐並由中央主管機關公告查核結果﹐前項查核結果、績效良好者﹐中央主管機關得予獎勵及公開表揚﹐執行不利者﹐得令及感受及提出懲處建議。"},{"start":3812.901,"end":3831.166,"text":"第二十五條之六各級相防機關對於所屬相防人員﹐的定期實施特定項目之健康檢查必要時並得實施臨時健康檢查其檢查之項目及方式由中央主管機關、會商、衛生、環保等相關機關定制"},{"start":3832.646,"end":3848.877,"text":"消防人員有接受前項健康檢查之義務。第一項健康檢查應由中央衛生主管機關、評鑑合格之區域醫院或醫學中心為之。健康檢查記錄應由各級消防機關予以保存。"},{"start":3849.497,"end":3871.849,"text":"並負擔健康檢查費用。實施臨時健康檢查時﹐各級消防機關應提供救災作業經歷資料與醫院﹐各級消防機關對於所屬消防人員健康檢查之結果﹐應通報中央主管機關被查﹐以作為與其職務相關疾病預防之必要應用。"},{"start":3874.284,"end":3900.72,"text":"第25條之七,各級消防機關對所屬消防人員應施以執行職務與預防災變所必要之安全衛生教育及訓練,消防人員有接受之義務,前項必要之安全衛生教育與訓練事項、訓練單位之資格條件、管理及其他應遵行事項之規則,由中央主管機關定之。"},{"start":3902.463,"end":3928.61,"text":"第25條之八各級消防機關應考量消防人員性別、年齡、身心障礙等因素之特殊需要提供適當之環境、安全衛生防護設備及措施。各級消防機關對於女性認成中或分娩後未滿2年之消防人員處應提供適當之環境、安全衛生防護設備及措施外"},{"start":3929.19,"end":3949.53,"text":"並因依醫師適性評估建議採取勤務調整或必要之健康保護措施。 二、25各級政府辦理消防人員之安全衛生防護設備措施及健康檢查所需經費應優先編列預算指引。"},{"start":3953.939,"end":3979.165,"text":"第27條之一各級主管機關為調查消防及義勇消防人員因災害搶救或其他消防勤務至發生死亡或重傷或受傷程度符合公教人員保險順能及副標準之順難等及事故之原因應聘請相關機關各團體代表選者選家及基層消防團體代表"},{"start":3979.945,"end":4002.196,"text":"組成災害事故調查會﹐以向簡宣調查會﹐調查會應製作事故原因調查報告﹐提出災害搶救改善經營事項及追蹤改善經營事項之執行﹐調查會為執行業務所需﹐達向有關儘管購、調閱或要求法人、團體個人提供資料或文件﹐"},{"start":4003.256,"end":4029.993,"text":"調閱之資料或文件﹐業經司法機關或監察院新聞調取時﹐應由其續名、理由並提供副本。如有正當理由﹐無法提出副本者﹐應提出已被他機關調取之證明。第一項調查會﹐其組成委員之資格條件﹐聘請方式﹐處理程序及其他應遵行事項之辦法﹐由中央主管機關定之。"},{"start":4032.762,"end":4056.137,"text":"第28條指向市縣市政府的編組義勇消防組織協助消防緊急救護工作其編組訓練、演習、服勤及其他相關事項之辦法由中央主管機關定之。其向義勇消防組織所需裝備器材之經費由中央主管機關補助之。"},{"start":4057.858,"end":4070.286,"text":"參加第一項義勇消防組織委員之安全衛生防護事項等全用第25條之二第二項、第25條之四、第25條之六第一項及第三項規定。"},{"start":4073.82,"end":4086.238,"text":"第35條,場所之管理權人有下列情形之一,於發生火災時致人與死者處一年上七年下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣100萬元上500萬元下罰金,"},{"start":4089.182,"end":4104.647,"text":"致重傷者處6月以上5年下有期徒刑得併科新台幣50萬元上250萬元下罰金。 一、第6條第一項鎖定標準應設置消防安全設備之供營業使用場所為依規定設置或維護消防安全設備。 二、第6條第4項鎖定應設置駐載用火災警報器之場所"},{"start":4116.571,"end":4129.285,"text":"會議規定設置或維護住宅用火災警報器。 三、第13條聽效所定一定規模以上之建築物。 為定定消防防護計劃或時光中消防防護計劃。"},{"start":4131.307,"end":4151.025,"text":"各該計劃執行有關避難引導必要之業務。 四、第15條第一項所定打管質量公共危險物品之製造、儲存或處理場所未符合同條第二項所定辦法中有關設置或維護場所之位置、構造或設備規定。"},{"start":4153.989,"end":4169.145,"text":"五、第15條之六第一項所定製造、儲存及處理公共危險物品和其的管制量30倍以上場所,為訂定消防防災計劃或依消防防災計劃執行有關避難引導必要之業務。"},{"start":4171.584,"end":4186.755,"text":"第37條違反第6條第一項相反安全設備第4項住宅用火災警報器設置維護之規定或第11條第一項防驗物品使用之規定者依下列規定處罰"},{"start":4187.876,"end":4202.791,"text":"一、供營業使用之場所,處場所管理權人性財幣2萬元上30萬元相反還,並通知限期改善。二、非供營業使用之場所,經通知限期改善、限期未改善。"},{"start":4203.891,"end":4222.537,"text":"處長所管理權人信貸幣2萬元以上30萬元相罰還,並通知限期改善。依前項規定處罰還後,經通知限期改善,藉其人不改善者得按次處罰,並得予以30日以下之停業或停止其使用之處分。"},{"start":4223.458,"end":4232.992,"text":"規避房內或拒絕第6條第二項之檢查復查者,儲新台幣6000元以上10萬元下返還,並按次處罰及強制執行檢查復查。"},{"start":4238.427,"end":4262.559,"text":"第40條以定規模以上之建築物且供營業使用場所違反第13條第一項規定為由管理權人領誘防火管理人訂定消防防護計劃或違反同條第三項規定為訂定施工中消防防護計劃者除其管理權人新台幣2萬元以上30萬元消防還"},{"start":4263.519,"end":4283.171,"text":"有發生火災具身重大損害之餘者﹐並得勒令管理權人停工。施工中相防防護計劃非經依同條第四項規定被查﹐不得擅自復工。一定規模以上之建築物發生火災時﹐管理權人違反第十三條第四項規定﹐"},{"start":4284.472,"end":4301.847,"text":"為依《消防防護計畫》執行有關防火管理上必要之業務,處新台幣2萬元以上、30萬元下罰款。有下列情形之一,經通知現期改善、屆期未改善者,處及管理權人新台幣2萬元以上、10萬元下罰款。"},{"start":4303.969,"end":4324.885,"text":"一、一定規模以上之建築物且非公營業使用場所違反第十三條第一項規定為由管理權人領用防火管理人訂定消防防護計劃或違反同條第三項規定為訂定事工中消防防護計劃。二、違反第十三條第四項規定"},{"start":4326.286,"end":4350.259,"text":"未有管理權人將同條第一項及第三項之消防防護計畫報請建築物所在地主管機關被查或為依依各該計畫執行有關防護管理上必要之業務。 三違反第13條第5項規定未有各管理權人寫意領用共同防護管理人訂定共同消防防護計畫"},{"start":4351.5,"end":4364.629,"text":"或為共同將消防防護計畫報建築物所在地主管機關被查,或為依被查之共同消防防護計畫執行有關共同防火管理上必要之業務。"},{"start":4367.132,"end":4388.249,"text":"四、違反第13條第7項規定防禍管理人或共同防禍管理人非該場所值管理或監督層次人員或任職期間未定期接受復讐。五、違反第13條第10項規定未於規定期限內將領用或異動之防禍管理人"},{"start":4388.729,"end":4409.927,"text":"或共同防火管理人報請建築物所在地主管警官被查。 六、違反第13條之一第一項委令高層建築物之防災中心或地下建築物之中央管理室未至領有合格證書之服勤人員或服勤人員任職期間未定期接受復續。"},{"start":4411.208,"end":4436.933,"text":"七、違反第13條之一第4項規定,未於規定期限內將領用或異動之附近人員報請同條第一項建築物所在地主管機關被查。一、第一項及前項規定處罰還後,經通知縣級改善,藉其人為改善者得按次處罰,並得予以30日以下之停業或停止其使用之處分。"},{"start":4439.249,"end":4461.985,"text":"第42條第15條第一項鎖定黨管之量公共危險物品及可燃性供氧氣體去製造、儲存或處理場所及儲存、處理或搬運未符合同條第二項鎖定辦法中有關安全管理規定者除其管理權人或行為人新台幣2萬元受30萬元下罰還。"},{"start":4464.447,"end":4484.691,"text":"第15條第一項所定,導管十兩公共危險物品及可燃性供氧氣體制製造、儲存或處理場所及位置構造或設備,未符合同條第二項所定辦法中,有關設置標準規定者,處其管理權人新台幣2萬元以上、150萬元下罰款。"},{"start":4487.632,"end":4516.832,"text":"以前二項規定處罰還後﹐經通知縣級改善﹐藉其為改善者等案次處罰﹐並得予以30日以下之停業或停止其使用之處分。 第15條之六﹐第一項規定之管理學人﹐為此由保安監督人定定消防防災計劃﹐處新台幣2萬元以上30萬元相反還﹐並通知縣級改善﹐藉其為改善者等案次處罰﹐"},{"start":4517.872,"end":4517.892,"text":"三、2、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、1、"},{"start":4543.601,"end":4565.328,"text":"第42條之一違反第15條之一有下列情形之一者處負責人及行為人新台幣一萬元以上五萬元相反還並得命其限期改善即其為改善者得按次處罰或禁於停業處分。一、未雇用、零有合格證照者"},{"start":4566.168,"end":4580.254,"text":"從事熱水器及配管之安裝。 二違反第15條之一第3項熱水器及配管安裝標準從事安裝工作者。 三違反或逾越營業登記事項而營業者。"},{"start":4583.157,"end":4598.485,"text":"第42條之三,由項鍊解嫌之一者,除新台幣2萬元以上10萬元相還,並通知謝其改善,藉其為改善者的案次處罰。一、零售業者違反第15條之二第一項規定,"},{"start":4599.745,"end":4626.568,"text":"為致領有合格證書之安全技術人員。 二、管理權人違反第15條之五第四項規定為委託中央主管機關許可之專業機構實施除草定期檢查或未依規定期限完成初次定期檢查或除草定期檢查紀錄為至少保存5年。 三、第15條之五第四項規定之除草"},{"start":4628.529,"end":4648.462,"text":"經專業機構實施定期檢查之結果,不符同條第5項鎖定辦法中有關合格基準之規定。 四、專業機構唯一第15條之5第5項鎖定辦法中有關檢查項目、方式合格基準、定期檢查頻率之規定檢查,互為不實檢查紀錄。"},{"start":4650.843,"end":4670.379,"text":"五、專業機構違反第15條之五、第六項所定辦法中有關執行業務之範圍、資料之建置、保存或申報之規定。 六、第15條之六第一項規定之管理權人為將消防防災計畫報請場所所在地主管機關備成"},{"start":4670.979,"end":4692.636,"text":"或為依消防防災計畫執行危險物品管理必要之業務或為曾由保安檢察員執行構造設備維護或自主檢查。 七、第15條之六第一項規定是管理全人為領用符合同條第二項規定資格之保安監督人或保安檢察員。"},{"start":4693.857,"end":4712.278,"text":"八、第15條16第一項規定之管理權人違反同條第四項規定,位於規定期限內將領用或異動之保安監督人或保安檢察員報請同條第一項成所所在地主管儘管被查。 第15條15第4項規定之除草"},{"start":4714.801,"end":4728.773,"text":"有傑向第3款情形﹐處罰及管理權人並通知限期改善﹐藉其為改善者並得令停止使用、儲存、議題、公共危險物品、儲藏。"},{"start":4730.464,"end":4758.213,"text":"第一項第四款之專業機構經依同項規定處罰還並通知限期改善。 計級為改善者並得與一個月以上、一年以下停止執行業務或廢止許可之處分。第一項第五款之專業機構經依同項規定處罰還並通知限期改善。 計級為改善者並得與30日以下停止執行業務或廢止許可之處分。"},{"start":4760.97,"end":4786.048,"text":"第43條之一公廠儲存化學品質倉庫或儲存藏所及一定規模以上的實驗室或倉庫之管理權人違反第21條之一定義向第一款規定或暫時未提供藏所平面配置圖及搶救必要資訊或提供資訊內容勳畏不實者處管理權人新台幣5萬元以上、300萬元下發款"},{"start":4788.469,"end":4807.695,"text":"財項場所之管理權人違反第21條之一、第一項、第二款規定活在時為提供該場所化學品之種類數量,為指平面配置圖及搶救品牙資訊或提供資訊內容遜為不實者,處管理權人清台幣10萬元以上、500萬元相罰款。"},{"start":4809.655,"end":4836.941,"text":"第一項場所之管理權人違反第21條之一第一項第四款規定為立即舉派專人至現場並協助救災處管理權人新台幣50萬元以上以及萬元下發還但該場所未製造、儲存或處理化學品者處新台幣5萬元以上、300萬元下發還。第二十一條之二第一項規定之場所管理權人"},{"start":4837.741,"end":4863.383,"text":"對於具有危害性的化學品違反該項規定位於該場所明顯位置設置危害風險標識板或危害風險有變動時為即時更新或設置標識板違反同條第二項公告有關等級、內容、顏色、大小或設置位置之規定者處管理權人新台幣二萬元以上一百五十萬元相還。"},{"start":4866.533,"end":4881.667,"text":"第43條之二,各級消防機關有項鍊情形之一,經中央主管機關或上級機關通知限期改善,藉其為改善者儲新台幣3萬元以上30萬元相還。"},{"start":4883.609,"end":4907.289,"text":"一、會議第25條之二第一項規定是安全衛生專責單位或至專責人員。二、會議第25條之二第二項第一款規定見證消防人員安全衛生管理系統或會議同條項第二款規定提供所屬消防人員執行職務必要之安全衛生防護設備或措施。"},{"start":4910.782,"end":4930.582,"text":"第47條本法自公佈日施行本法中華民國113年11月12日修正之條文施行日期由行政院定之宣讀完畢報告院會三讀條文已宣讀完畢請問院會有無文字修正"},{"start":4932.827,"end":4943.397,"text":"沒有憲政,我們現在做決議如下。消防法增訂第21條之二、第三章之一章名、第25條之一字、第25條之九、第43條之二條文,並將第一條、第15條、第21條之一"},{"start":4956.929,"end":4980.909,"text":"第二十七條之一第二十八條第三十五條第三十七條第四十條第四十二條第四十二條之一第四十二條之三第四十三條之一及第四十七條條文修正通過"},{"start":4988.783,"end":5010.792,"text":"我們現在繼續處理審查會所作之附帶決議。請議事人員宣讀附帶決議之內容。通過附帶決議7項。一、為維護義勇消防人員健康,發揮其救災戰力,建請研議與義勇消防人員定期特定項目之健康檢查補助。二、"},{"start":5011.755,"end":5037.252,"text":"各級消防主管機關會同工業主管機關應就修法中強化企業對災害的自主風險管理責任部分辦理地方說明會使企業能理解且遵循法規以落實消防人員勤務安全保障。三、要求電政部應協調各目的事業主管機關與前階工廠、倉庫及場所之化學品"},{"start":5037.972,"end":5061.394,"text":"或儲存物品之種類或數量異動時需於30日內更新申報及每年不定期辦理實地查核。 四、請內政部消防署於本案三讀通過6個月內呈報救災圖資系統評估及精進報告到院。 五、為持續追蹤大型倉儲消防設施"},{"start":5063.618,"end":5070.541,"text":"列管進度。請內政部消防署於6個月內將其進度及成果報告送交立法院。 六、"},{"start":5071.718,"end":5100.28,"text":"內政部消防署應於本案本修正案三讀通過6個月內則成各地方消防機關擬定實施計畫就其狹內重點工廠及倉儲演練並將資訊權納入演練一環以防範未然角度在災害未發生前先行瞭解與規劃。 七本法修正通過後易用消防組織為協助消防"},{"start":5101.082,"end":5130.132,"text":"緊急救護工作除編組、訓練、演習、扶勤外其他相關事項應以本法所定為限。宣讀完畢。區委員會有對附帶決議有異議?沒有異議,我們決定照案通過。報告委員會,我們現在進行完成立法程序後委員登記的發言。我們每位委員發言時間兩分鐘。我們現在進行截止登記。"},{"start":5130.854,"end":5134.516,"text":"首先,我們請登記第一號,牛許庭委員發言。謝謝主席。這個因應近年多起的工廠跟倉儲的火災頻傳,甚至犧牲了消防人員的性命,也造成了空污等等公害問題,這些情形本來就應該避免,應該從制度面來進行徹底的改善。"},{"start":5161.112,"end":5175.032,"text":"因此本席在這次修法提出了消防法部分條文修正草案。除了原本的工廠之外本席強力主張要將一定規模以上的大型倉儲以及實驗室納入消防法的守備範圍。"},{"start":5176.855,"end":5203.348,"text":"在10月8日的總質詢我們強力主張倉儲納管並且得到行政院長、內政部長的雙重保證不只要在消防法有所修正未來也要在工廠管理輔導法加以規範並且因為這次的總質詢在委員會的討論中我們可以順利的達成共識在第21條之一將大型倉儲確定納管我們也在第43條1的相關罰則之中克與重罰的義務"},{"start":5208.07,"end":5223.257,"text":"資訊權對於消防人員的救災非常重要因為熟悉戰場、瞭解敵人是救災勝利的不二法門本期主張業者應該負起提供救災相關資訊指派專人到場協助的義務並且我們剛剛說了在43條1我們提高了罰則因為火災搶救資訊的正確性絕對不容妥協"},{"start":5229.5,"end":5248.795,"text":"在其他的條文部分15條吹哨者權益保護、25條消防人員職業安全的衛生保障以及在第28條新增疫消人員準用25條規定的健檢公費補助在在都強化了消防防救的品質,值得期待。"},{"start":5249.395,"end":5267.645,"text":"在修法的過程中難免折衝妥協但我們將密切的追蹤成果我們也在修法最後提出了附帶決議要求內政部半年之內納管進度報告要求擬定實施計畫重點工廠跟倉儲都要進行救災研練這個制度性的改變在今天邁出第一步"},{"start":5278.944,"end":5283.659,"text":"謝謝牛許廷偉的發言。接下來請登記第二號羅廷偉委員發言。"},{"start":5294.076,"end":5321.646,"text":"今天消防法三讀消防我們能夠順利的三讀通過心中百感交集昨天晚上我跟消防弟兄還有一蕭一起共度晚餐我想看到這些消防弟兄一次次的義無反顧奔向火場他們的背影令我們動容令我們不捨令我們心疼這些勇敢無懼的英雄們用生命守護我們"},{"start":5322.566,"end":5343.721,"text":"我想我們能為他們做的可以持續繼續努力。我們也希望能夠真正的保護消防弟兄以及疫消夥伴。要如何在災難的發生瞬間能夠為他們提供最及時的有效的資源。這就是我們長期以來不斷的思考努力精進的部分。"},{"start":5344.561,"end":5359.888,"text":"這次修法有幾個重點我們強化了場所管理權相關的一個責任以及要在要求火災發生時場所管理權人應該要及時的提供關鍵的資訊我們也希望要擴大"},{"start":5360.448,"end":5379.074,"text":"大陸管理儲存化學廠的一個相關倉庫以及儲存場所一定規模的實驗室以及相關的倉庫消防法的一個資訊權適用的一個對象我們也鼓勵吹哨者能夠一起來檢舉不法保障舉發人相關的一個權益"},{"start":5380.174,"end":5395.733,"text":"這就是我們這次重視消防人員相關的設立法案以及設立專門的安全衛生諮詢會確保消防人員一消救災時任務時能夠擁有更好的一個身心靈身心健康"},{"start":5396.673,"end":5415.706,"text":"最後我相信法令上我們還有待更為精進我們也希望這一次的修法能夠作為消防人員新的後盾成為每一位消防人員以及家人們他們外出工作時能夠多一份安心做他們的後盾一起來努力送給消防弟兄"},{"start":5421.838,"end":5444.705,"text":"謝謝羅廷偉委員的發言。接下來請登記第三號張志倫委員發言。院長、各位同仁。"},{"start":5446.001,"end":5472.427,"text":"大家早保障消防員的身心健康與執勤安全是草野政黨所有立委的共識本次修法讓疫消可以比照消防人員實行健康檢查由各級消防機關負擔費用新北市政府自明年114年起每二至三年檢查一次預計每人新台幣"},{"start":5473.194,"end":5499.163,"text":"三千五百元的健康檢查補助費預計僅有五千名一消一警受賄而為保障消防人員執行安全本次修法提高相關罰則例如火災為提供場所平面配置圖及消防搶救必要資訊除五萬元以上、三百萬元以下罰還火災為提供化學品總量、數量"},{"start":5501.412,"end":5505.997,"text":"總類數量為紙平面圖及消防搶救必要資訊處10萬元以上500萬以下罰還。為指派專責人員協助救災處50萬以上1000萬元以下罰還。"},{"start":5515.526,"end":5530.055,"text":"為設置標示板並即時更新資訊處2萬元以上、150萬元以下罰還本席也提了兩個附帶決議一是要求30天內完成危險物品的更新申報"},{"start":5531.431,"end":5552.884,"text":"二、是義消協助消防緊急救護工作的其他相關事項以消防法所定為限。本席相信有關消防員的扶擒安排和權益保障還有很大的進步空間。未來我們會持續關注與大家一起努力。謝謝。"},{"start":5560.76,"end":5565.471,"text":"謝謝張志倫委員的發言。接下來請登記第4位,洪孟凱委員發言。"},{"start":5581.072,"end":5600.952,"text":"主席各位同仁,剛剛消防法修法正式三讀通過。近年來,消防人員救災殉職案件頻傳,凸顯消防人員職業安全保障跟機制仍有所不足。本席提案部分,成功爭取強化接避者保護條款,避免雇主秋後算帳,並且擴大災調會的啟動要件。"},{"start":5604.595,"end":5628.223,"text":"過去只有在重傷或是死亡才能啟動調查機制本次推動修法也將常見的暫時全失能、受傷樣態全部納入。 比較遺憾的地方本系列提案跟基層消防團體長期的訴求有關違反資訊法而導致救災人員死傷納入刑責或是未落實場所自主罰"},{"start":5629.463,"end":5657.639,"text":"防災財閥因以營業額比例計算罰還以及反覆違規則不改善達一定次數應該勒令停業停工等在本次修法雖然討論多時可是沒有納入本席會持續的監督刪讀後落實的情形並持續推動本席樂見今天消防法順利刪讀但我也必須提醒這只是公務員職安保障的第一步"},{"start":5658.499,"end":5686.675,"text":"今年有許多基層的公務員不幸離開﹐有人運功殉職﹐有人過勞高壓﹐有人遭受到職場霸凌﹐因而自殺死亡。每一個案件都是令人非常心痛﹐也都在提醒我們﹐目前公務部門的治安保障機制顯然失靈而且不足﹐而公務人員需要一個可以真正發揮預防以及救濟的功能﹐職業安全保障機制。因此﹐"},{"start":5687.535,"end":5713.055,"text":"我們不要這樣的一個惡性循環我們更希望能夠政府正式重視公務員的職業安全所以希望執政在野秉持初衷共同思考讓公部門職安保障更加完善謝謝謝謝洪孟凱委員的發言接下來請登記第5號蘇巧惠委員發言"},{"start":5725.796,"end":5755.396,"text":"主席、各位同仁,消防法自1985年制定公布以來,包含本次,迄今已經歷經了14次的修正。不到3年就修正一次,也顯見消防安全長久以來一直說都被很關心的議題。我們都努力要減少火災的發生,以減少社會上所需要付出的成本代價。其中,減少消防人員在發生搶救災害時所造成的不幸事故,是本席本次提案的核心精神。"},{"start":5756.437,"end":5769.354,"text":"消防人員是我們國家的重要資產。維護消防人員執行職務的生命安全及身心健康也是國家的責任。本席要藉此向所有的消防人員致上最高的敬意。"},{"start":5771.383,"end":5785.714,"text":"這次的修法過程中本席對消防人員的身心健康特別關注包含如擴大吹哨者的適用範圍敦促企業遵循消防法規重視自主風險管理責任等等都是我們所提出的"},{"start":5786.454,"end":5801.149,"text":"但本期也提案要求消防署會同工業區的管理機關辦理地方說明會特別是對於工業區密集區域之處要多加說明及蒐整意見使企業能夠理解並且遵循法規"},{"start":5802.35,"end":5819.222,"text":"另外本席認為義消人員協助消防單位協助救災也是十分重要十分辛苦國家也應該要照顧其身心健康以發揮其救災的戰力因此本席也提案建請研議給予義消特定項目的健康檢查補助"},{"start":5821.324,"end":5834.279,"text":"以上兩個方向在委員會與行政部門討論後都獲得同仁們的支持順利通過本席會在內政委員會守護消防人員包含疫消人員的身心健康守護臺灣我們一起努力"},{"start":5837.911,"end":5865.263,"text":"謝謝蘇巧慧委員的發言報告事項第5案本院國民黨黨團建請院會決議本院針對再生能源相關弊案已案成立調查委員會緊述釐清真相查清相關私職人員責任以利預算監督和檢討相關法令擅盡國會監督職責已案本案"},{"start":5866.358,"end":5881.787,"text":"經第二會期第6次會議決議交付黨團協商並由國民黨黨團負責召集協商報院會本案因上代協商我們作以下決議協商之後再行處理"},{"start":5884.059,"end":5910.036,"text":"報院會討論事項第6案本院黃健豪委員等人提案。 建請院會決議中央政府應先統計全國超過50年以上老舊校舍的次數及所需拆除重建的經費,並得以編列特別預算的方式於8年之內完成之案。本案"},{"start":5910.734,"end":5934.561,"text":"今第二會期第6次會議之決議交付黨團協商並由國民黨黨團負責召集協商本案因上代協商我們現在作以下決議協商之後再行處理報議會討論事項第7案本院台灣民眾黨黨團為維護國會尊嚴"},{"start":5938.922,"end":5947.593,"text":"捍衛國家憲政體制。對行政院院長卓榮泰提出嚴厲之譴責案請院會決議一案。 本案"},{"start":5951.758,"end":5969.064,"text":"今第二會期第6次會議決議交付黨團協商並由臺灣民進黨黨團負責召集協商本案因上代協商作以下決議協商之後我們再行處理"},{"start":5971.875,"end":5990.759,"text":"報院會本次會議議程所列討論事項均已處理完畢沒有委員登記臨時提案我們就不進行臨時提案之處理繼續處理復議案本院民進黨黨團．針對第7次會議報告事項第92案及第93案決定提出復議請公決案現在"},{"start":6000.646,"end":6026.588,"text":"我們做以下決定令定期處理報院會本次會議進行到此為止。另外,請各黨團幹部下午3點30分至紅樓302會議室進行國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第16條條文修正草案之協商。現在散會。"}]}}],"supported_filter_fields":["term","sessionPeriod","meet_id","legislator","committee_id","date"]}