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考試院不僅職長文官法治與考選當然也負責辦理專業技術人員資格考試以及所謂的專技人員的考試專技人員是民間各行各業"},{"start":3784.953,"end":3798.961,"text":"運作所需要的人力提供人民專業服務保障人民生命安全及權益並支撐各領域的專業發展因此專業人員對於國家發展的重要性並不亞於公務人員"},{"start":3800.165,"end":3821.594,"text":"第二,專技人員教考訓用的連結非常重要,考試委員除了需要具備專業知識與豐富的學養之外,堂獲對用人機關的實務需求有充分的了解,更能透過有效的考選方式,考用夠水準的專技人員。"},{"start":3823.775,"end":3841.042,"text":"此外,這些專機人員不只在民間工作,也可能在公立機構中服務,或者依法轉任公職人員進入政府機關服務,例如一事人員可以以私籍的方式進入公務體系。"},{"start":3842.603,"end":3858.312,"text":"所以重視專技人員考試除了維持民間專技證照的專業水準對於政府運作也會有所幫助第三,專技考試的主要目的之一是保障人民的生命和安全"},{"start":3862.735,"end":3879.183,"text":"通過嚴格的資格認證過程可以確保例如醫事人員包含醫生、護士以及工程師及其他專業人員具備必要的知識和技能從而減少職業失誤和事故的發生"},{"start":3880.764,"end":3894.322,"text":"內部醫療專技考試能確保醫護人員能正確診斷和治療疾病工程專技考試則能確保建築和基礎建設的安全與穩固"},{"start":3895.836,"end":3911.753,"text":"各位專技人員的專技、專業可以保障人民維持生活、食、醫、住、行也就是吃的安全、醫療安全、住的安全、行的安全"},{"start":3913.263,"end":3936.639,"text":"所以一張考試委員提名當中不能只有懂公務人員的人或是純粹的學者一定要有人懂得專技領域的實務運作尤其是辦理考試的考試院和考選部的文官雖然很優秀但畢竟都是人事背景出身對於公務領域較為熟悉對專技領域的職業需求則相對的不足"},{"start":3943.604,"end":3956.079,"text":"所以考試院對於專技領域的理解絕對需要具有專業專技背景的考試委員來補強才能更深切切合實際所需要的決策品質"},{"start":3959.389,"end":3976.59,"text":"⑤專精人員證照近有80種,分為四大領域,包含醫事科學、工程科學、社會科學、海事科學這當中醫事科學類有20多種,工程類有30多種,以這兩類領域為最大中"},{"start":3978.091,"end":4003.262,"text":"注意到這次的被提名人中具有兩位來自這兩大專業基礎領域的人員包含了護理師王秀紅以及環境工程師鄧家基先生本身具有專技的證照也有行政經驗或參加典事的經驗這值得立法委員們在行使同意權時加以重視"},{"start":4005.311,"end":4021.079,"text":"我本身是一個專機人員曾經也服務學校也透過醫事人員任用條例服務於衛福部站在專機人員的立場我們希望考試院的決策組成中一定要有專機人員的聲音"},{"start":4022.8,"end":4038.953,"text":"無論是工程、醫事、社會或是海事,尤其是醫事領域,非常需要有了解專業實務的考試委員,扮演考試院和主管機關、衛福部以及相關學會、工會、學界的溝通橋樑"},{"start":4041.56,"end":4055.234,"text":"最後是對於未來如果有專業人員的考試委員有一些建議由於科技的進步社會所需的專業人員領域也應當有所改變"},{"start":4056.601,"end":4085.462,"text":"目前我們看到過去的一個專技人員有些科目是並不符合時代的需求因此希望未來考試委員能夠對於這些專技的領域的必要性能夠檢討並考慮增加符合時代所需的專技考試第二個目前的專技考試的命題都是由聘請外界的專家學者"},{"start":4087.383,"end":4101.831,"text":"在中間我們也發現了常會出現某些考試的類科他的及格率非常的低但有些卻非常的高因此希望未來"},{"start":4102.551,"end":4105.973,"text":"非常感謝康教授 非常感謝您接下來請第5位貴宏誠貴教授請給我們寶貴意見 謝謝謝謝院長 在座的委員還有各位同仁以及媒體記者 大家好"},{"start":4133.474,"end":4158.369,"text":"我今天是站在我如何能夠提供給我們要行使同意權的立法委員們提供他們將來行使同意權在審查這些被提名人的資格的時候可能要從哪個角度來看這些被提名人那麼我首先要提到就是說考試院的正副院長他並沒有法定的"},{"start":4159.249,"end":4159.269,"text":"公聽會議"},{"start":4176.187,"end":4190.853,"text":"這表示很重要很重要的話我們審這個資格的時候我們一定要先看他們到底符不符合法定的任命資格那麼我有提供一個說明意見我也把本來有5款108年底的時候因為當時"},{"start":4192.934,"end":4206.589,"text":"他還有一個背景 這個背景也很重要因為當時是上上屆的考試院那個時候應該是馬總統他提名的所以任期有交錯所以蔡總統上台之後他們還在任"},{"start":4209.163,"end":4230.542,"text":"當時有很多重大的案件比如說年金改革還有所謂黨職所謂他們講黨職並公職其實是黨職公職相互採集退休年資這個要點追討什麼退休金這些案子乃至於口譯哥以約聘人員外派駐美代表處政治組組長"},{"start":4232.143,"end":4249.262,"text":"我印象中考試委員在那個時候都有提供一些提出一些質疑的意見其實這就是考試院獨立超然獨立的功能所在他不會只聽行政院的所以他提出了不同的意見可是呢在當時啊就被"},{"start":4250.103,"end":4275.672,"text":"民進黨的立委也就是現在的監察院秘書長李敬毅在公開說要對考試院宣戰然後就發動了戰爭然後就修改了考試院組織法還包括剛剛好像有幾位先進學者有提到我們考試委員所能夠容納的專業領域跟範圍好像有些不夠不夠的原因就是因為那次修法把它改成現在的7到9人而已本來好像是19人"},{"start":4276.952,"end":4304.486,"text":"那既然法律已經修改了而且那麼重要所以我們一定要來先看我們被提名人的考試委員到底符不符合法定的任命資格那我在這邊我有特別提到我們七位裡面除了有兩位除了有其他其他是大學教授的資格或者是擔任過檢任長任官20年以上這些基本上都沒有問題那其中"},{"start":4304.986,"end":4327.662,"text":"另外有兩位他是用一款而那一款是所謂的學士豐富有特殊著作或發明那我們可以看用這款被提名的是鄧家基被提名人那麼我們就要先看他到底有什麼特殊著作我透過網路的搜尋或者是"},{"start":4329.923,"end":4356.313,"text":"圖書館的檢索我找不到他所附的這三項著作我想可能就是他這個著作很特殊之處讓你還找不到這是第一點這個現象其實上一屆就有了那都已經卸任了我直接提醒不要一再發聲因為這個法律畢竟是民進黨所制定的當你提名候選人、被提名人的時候應該要嚴謹地遵守法律那麼"},{"start":4357.403,"end":4375.513,"text":"我們來看他這三份著作分別是什麼博覽會的全記錄淡水河的生命筆記還有一個是第二階段新北市低碳城市計畫書出版者都是臺北縣政府不然就是新北市政府反正網路上也找不到"},{"start":4376.718,"end":4401.251,"text":"那我唯一找到的是儀式可能是那份著作了是一個YouTube影片那是在淡水河很多人投稿後來可能入選了就把它編輯成一份那個YouTube的一個影片那裡面的總編輯就是我們這位被提名人這樣子的一個著作的確很特殊但是不是我們這邊法律所定的特殊著作"},{"start":4402.211,"end":4425.266,"text":"這是一個很嚴重的懷疑我知道過去有一位他不是鄭教授但是他有獲得考試委員的提名並且獲得同意他的特殊著作是他曾經得到過國家文藝獎這個算特殊吧那現在這個著作你找不到而且它根本不能算是著作因為你今天是政府的出版而且是你的一個"},{"start":4426.553,"end":4434.686,"text":"公務的文書報告或者是你的績效展示或者是你的工作記錄而且作者不會是你一個人"},{"start":4435.99,"end":4465.016,"text":"像類似這種政府機關的所謂的這種報告或者什麼著作的話通常就是下面的承辦人開始就叢林啊等等等等最後你是機關首長你就掛名了嘛這個怎麼會變成你以這種特殊著作來證明你學識豐富呢所以我覺得這個部分啊是要特別留意的我只是站在立法委員應該要依法來審查他的資格這個角度來看待這個問題啊那另外他也提出了他有一個發明"},{"start":4466.016,"end":4486.893,"text":"而這個發明是好多人共同創作了一項申請得到的專利而這項專利是屬於新型專利因此我們如果來看我們來查專利法裡面所定的專利有哪三種第一個叫發明第二個叫新型第三個叫設計這個設計以前就叫新試樣"},{"start":4488.374,"end":4501.75,"text":"那他這項專利就只是新型啊既然是新型就不是發明啊可是他怎麼會把他的新型專利列為發明呢那這又是一個很嚴重的問題啊那我是覺得說"},{"start":4503.249,"end":4523.915,"text":"嚴重是在於說為什麼提名審見小組在審查的時候難道都是不依據法律不看法律的條文的規定嗎那其實呢剛剛有些先進他也提到像這位委員他可能真的很適任因為他在環保他是環保方面的專家也有很好的食物經驗其實我們看他的實際經歷來看的話也的確他擔任過臺北市議員"},{"start":4528.718,"end":4534.309,"text":"臺北縣政府及新北市政府的一級機關首長而且也擔任過新北市的副市長"},{"start":4535.965,"end":4558.535,"text":"每次隨著他的職務上的一個提升他就換了一個不同政治立場的黨派從新黨到國民黨又到白色力量伴隨著這樣的一個陣營的變化而有所職務上的提升其實這樣一個情形也很好那就證明了他富有政治經驗而且聲譽良好才會每換一個陣營"},{"start":4560.397,"end":4566.915,"text":"換了一個更能夠發揮所長的職務那既然是這樣子的話我們就要回到我剛剛一開始所講的"},{"start":4568.325,"end":4592.58,"text":"民國108年被民進黨修正考試院組織法之前的任命條件裡面有一項就是富有政治經驗、深意卓著者如果大家認為這位被提名人很適任的話可是他不符法定資格而這個法定資格又已經被民進黨修掉了這個是我要特別要說明的地方"},{"start":4593.44,"end":4614.381,"text":"另外一個我很快來講還有另外一個原住民他其實是他其實是連任連任的話照理說我們不需要再審什麼了以前考試院組織法就有規定承認考試委員生育著住者那就是他的這個他任命條件結果他現在又必須要用所謂的學士豐富有特殊著作那他這邊列出來的"},{"start":4615.836,"end":4644.154,"text":"免搶可以算為特殊著作因為原住民研究原住民的所有的研究相對於漢人而言那就是特殊這個還免搶就過去了但我只是強調108年的修法是亂修造成這樣的一個結果因為時間不夠最重要的是我要講得快一點那接下來我要特別提到關於院長這個部分我們可以借這兩天的一個案例來看我們要請教院長考試院的被提名人當"},{"start":4646.26,"end":4668.109,"text":"一個考機懲處兩大過免職如此嚴重的案件在考機委員會還沒有開會之前為什麼你在下午4點半行政院院長就可以召開記者會說明結果是什麼那麼周鴻燊擔任過全序部部長擔任過考試院副院長請說明一下"},{"start":4669.646,"end":4688.991,"text":"這樣到底符不符合《考機法》的規定?《考機法》是怎麼規定的?不曉得他知不知道另外,用最後的時間我再講一點過去來說的話,考試院要能發揮功能的話院長一定有相當的政治聲譽在黨內或在政界能夠抵禦行政院那麼"},{"start":4694.944,"end":4711.18,"text":"過去曾經有一個黑鷹救護直升機墜機的撫恤事件當時民進黨的黨主席對於權敘部很不滿因為報紙報導的錯誤結果他就說卓文快就說我看到了拳頭都硬了那我現在就要問"},{"start":4712.571,"end":4731.905,"text":"那現在行政院院長是卓榮泰他的拳頭更硬了那周鴻憲能抵擋得住嗎還是依然的配合行政院跟民進黨那成為他將來帶領考試院的方向那我覺得這個是一個他的一個試院資格的條件的問題以上報告到此 謝謝"},{"start":4733.696,"end":4749.441,"text":"謝謝貴弘誠教授的發言現在已經有6位教授發言也跟各位學者專家來報告一下我們副院長江啟臣副院長也到現場了也向副院長跟大家問好謝謝我們現在休息10分鐘請用一點咖啡用點點心10分鐘之後開始謝謝"},{"start":5149.177,"end":5149.479,"text":"主席"},{"start":5356.36,"end":5362.951,"text":"好,我們現在繼續開會進行學者專家發言請呂育成教授發言發言時間10分鐘"},{"start":5366.106,"end":5385.179,"text":"主席副院長還有各位委員以及在座學者專家大家午安今天非常榮幸有這個機會來參加我們立法院關於這個考試院院長副院長及考試委員任命的公聽會那麼相信剛才在前一階段各位應該聽了很多各位對於委員們的這一個"},{"start":5387.346,"end":5387.586,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":5406.815,"end":5427.983,"text":"施金提到周遂、舊邦、齊敏、韋雄我個人蠻喜歡這句話為什麼這樣說今年是這個我們說第14屆的這一次的任命案剛好會碰到考試院成立100週年這樣的一個很紀念性的一個日子根據當時中華民國國民政府組織法的概念"},{"start":5428.843,"end":5447.554,"text":"所以我覺得我們這一次的任命跟考試院會的組成一方面它有一個定垂考試院過去100年成就的歷史意義同時它也肩負了一個開創下一個百年新局的使命"},{"start":5448.214,"end":5472.315,"text":"所以我個人更期待委員們可以從整個考試院的政策的高度來思考未來人選們的一個事任的議題換句話說人當然很重要更重要的是這些人如何去行使職權以及怎麼樣把整個我們憲政機關帶到一個新的發展的途徑"},{"start":5474.582,"end":5499.424,"text":"好 那麼我還是重複一下 剛才幾位先進都已經講過了根據憲法正確條文第6條 考試院為國家最高考試機關我個人的解讀是這三項第一個 它從國家的角度 它一定要去引領 去履行憲法所賦予它的這個權責不僅如此 它應該要讓整個制度是一個有生命的 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我們的研究發展單位我們研究發展單位是需要有非常有策略規劃有智慧的人因此他的學歷至少應該碩士或博士的但是我們的考試院的全系部規劃的這些研發單位的人才可能都只有大學畢業"},{"start":6337.208,"end":6364.389,"text":"高考及格這個外文都不懂你怎麼做研究啊所以因此我們的研發單位是被裁撤的比如說米財政部來講我們的稅制委員會是研發單位它被裁撤啦那它裡面的研發人員是多少人呢沒有什麼博士啊大概都是大學畢業的比較多後點都是碩士因此它的研究能力是不足的也就是我們自己不研究沒有發揮研究能力然後又不引進人才又不培育人才那我們國家怎麼進步啊"},{"start":6365.109,"end":6379.983,"text":"我們國家怎麼進步啊大家只是想要看到結果但是你沒有投入應有的資源啊所以因此我們人力資源的管理是出了問題的所以我是建議我們應該參考韓國的做法韓國是每個部會成立一個研究院"},{"start":6380.583,"end":6381.784,"text":"副院長：第11屆第2會期第1次全院委員會"},{"start":6395.58,"end":6396.121,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":6418.985,"end":6419.145,"text":"公聽會議公聽會議公聽會議"},{"start":6440.227,"end":6440.788,"text":"這以上的一個小小介報"},{"start":6469.267,"end":6490.212,"text":"複印剛剛委員這個先進提到的我們考試院應該有一個策略規劃的白皮書至少每兩年或三年要編一本白皮書做一個中長期的一個策略規劃那做一個前瞻的規劃讓他的一個政策方向更加透明同時我們也可以讓我們了解他是怎麼在培育延攬人才怎麼樣來試材試手以上建議 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簡化行政的機構估計聯邦的200萬員工有一半要被裁員不曉得會不會真的做"},{"start":6578.784,"end":6605.158,"text":"但是至少這是一個思維的方式我不曉得我們的考試院現在是怎麼想考試院是政府的人力資源部門我來自企業界非常清楚所有的組織改革都是從人資部門開始人資部門規劃策略規劃整個我不曉得我們的考試院有沒有這個功能看起來是沒有"},{"start":6607.662,"end":6635.596,"text":"如果考試院是一個老太隆重的部門那就不用期待中華民國的政府是一個優秀聰明的管理團隊了政黨輪替或者新任總統的天眾英明都只是一時的36萬的公務大軍才是政府的主力但是我們的公務員啊"},{"start":6637.419,"end":6664.584,"text":"要經過高普考國家考試這都是我們過去很羨慕的很難考啊很難考那考過高普考真的是百中選一啊很難考但是大家都一句話人在公門好修行到了公務人員我看了很多說他差不多兩年啊就被消磨殆盡了"},{"start":6667.866,"end":6693.753,"text":"熱情消磨殆盡、意志消沉就開始在修行了、念經是什麼造成的?我們考試院應該好好地去想這些問題不要每天在那邊修法其實我懶得去講那些該怎麼做因為太多文章了研究文章、漢牛衝動但是事情都是"},{"start":6695.885,"end":6724.594,"text":"原來的我要引述一個20世紀的一個很有名的政治哲學家漢納漢納·厄蘭他是一個他1906年生1975年過世了是一個影響了20世紀還有21世紀的政治倫理的研究者他的作品"},{"start":6725.592,"end":6754.59,"text":"含非常廣泛的主題但最出名的就是處理權力和邪惡的本質以及政治還有直接民主、威權、極權主義的作品它最為人所銘記的論點就是解釋為什麼一個普通人會成為極權主義體系中的演員配合演出其實不是因為人惡而是因為平庸之惡"},{"start":6755.765,"end":6777.551,"text":"他說:「平庸之惡是一種不思考、不傾聽人類道德的心靈,也不去思考對於整體社會的利弊。這種惡是平庸的,你、我、常人都可能墮入其中。把個人完全同化於體制之內,服從體制上的安排,默認體制,"},{"start":6778.911,"end":6804.625,"text":"本身隱含不道德的行為甚至自己成為不道德體制下不經質疑的實踐者、筷子手憑藉著配合體制的藉口替自己冷漠的行為提供非道德的辯護從而解除個人心理上提倫道德的過錯這就是現代社會體制化下的平庸之惡他認為平庸之惡"},{"start":6807.236,"end":6835.211,"text":"集體而言可能大於極端之惡因為這種集體的不去思考只去配合體制忽略了漠視人類心靈深處對道德體驗所犯下的罪行更為嚴重我想他這一段話非常值得我們的深思我到了立法院以後我才深刻體會到我們政府的平庸之惡"},{"start":6836.616,"end":6859.704,"text":"平衡到什麼程度20號前幾天我在前瞻就在這裡在審查前瞻預算的時候我質詢國發會主委沒來是他督導的業務結果他沒來他跑掉了找了副主委來我我跟他講說我問說"},{"start":6869.826,"end":6892.716,"text":"這個前瞻預算高達八千四百億已經是最後一期了最後一期沒兩年一期那快要花完了我們的政府前瞻目標達成了嗎我要他評分你把這個我們的執行要十年的前瞻計畫你們督導單位認為幾分他說不出來"},{"start":6898.622,"end":6921.388,"text":"因為根本就沒有目標根本就沒有前瞻都是在解決眼前的事情用一種特別預算用舉債大家只是更臃腫永遠是人手不夠永遠是錢不夠養出了一個大胖子來最後需要養分就是養這個大胖子"},{"start":6922.242,"end":6951.045,"text":"三分之的資源都是他自己消磨掉真正投入的有什麼前瞻我看到了太多的這種事情我舉了一個例子臺灣未來30年最嚴重的問題是什麼這不是前瞻應該要前瞻要問國發會啊國發會你答不出這個問題嗎未來30年最重要是什麼就是人口的問題嘛人口的問題天翻地覆"},{"start":6953.407,"end":6955.791,"text":"臺灣接下來50年會減少900萬人將近1000萬人減少欸我們的所有的勞動這影響衝擊的層面有多廣"},{"start":6968.108,"end":6986.254,"text":"這是今年10月17號國發會公佈了但是公佈完其實他已經拖了兩個月本來8月應該公佈他都不敢公佈因為問題變得嚴重我們的少子化提早的15年每年我們投入少子化的預算要1200億"},{"start":6988.578,"end":7017.916,"text":"1200億一直投一直投結果還本來預估是2057年才會破10萬這次的預估是2040年就會破10萬那你每年1200億這個錢是怎麼花掉的不需要檢討欸沒有人在檢討欸要發掉明年再重編這個是我們政府的運作教育不一樣啊少子化少子化是現在才知道的嘛20年前就知道了然後呢"},{"start":7019.702,"end":7047.476,"text":"現在然後呢一直開大學一直增加大學然後現在呢就一直關大學一直關大學你知道公務單位都有一個思維叫做慣性要開的時候就一直開一直開反正都不管任何原因就自己開要關了後就是一直關一直關一直關都沒有別的方法你知道嗎這種慣性往前就一直往前往後退就一直往後退這是我們培養出來的公務人員嗎"},{"start":7049.065,"end":7077.983,"text":"這是我們所做的,如果說只會這樣子,然後導致現在所以呢,我要提到的是所以呢,我覺得啦,這一個實驗室到了我這個就跳過去,我在考試院當中看到考試院是一個冷壓門我看到唯一有心去改革的只有一個人"},{"start":7079.264,"end":7103.873,"text":"就是前考試院長關忠他把考試院炒熱了然後我引述媒體採訪他他想要推動考機法的修訂認為公務人員現在不能大家都做好爛好人他說公務人員兵等不得低於3%結果引起反彈最後陣亡了但是關忠後來問他"},{"start":7106.454,"end":7107.775,"text":"謝謝吳委員下一位我們請蔡育宇委員發言好"},{"start":7135.345,"end":7161.098,"text":"謝謝主席那各位學者專家還有我們立法院的同仁以及各位聆聽的各位貴賓那我想在進行考試院人事審查前的公聽會那我們對於考試院還是有一些基本的一個期待因為考試院是代表著整個國家公務人員任用那以及公務人員前階段的訓練的一個重要的一個機關那這樣的一個憲政機關"},{"start":7163.759,"end":7191.119,"text":"實際上是在中華民國五權憲法的設定之下所以有考試院的一個我們現在的一個制度那基於考試院的制度那也是要有考試委員然後有考試委員會來做出決議那這個會決定到了接下來我們所有考試那以及考試的一些程序啦以及一些時程的一個安排所以"},{"start":7191.92,"end":7213.002,"text":"基本上在這一次的考試院他在最後一次的院會他過了一個考試院的會議規則那也是點出了說如果院會考試委員沒有考試院長或者是沒有考試副院長考試委員無法成立委員會的時候那要怎麼辦"},{"start":7213.923,"end":7237.755,"text":"所以考試院有通過了一個考試院分層負責的實施要點那這個實施要點也訂定了考試院公文蓋章、印信及簽署的注意事項讓考試院在沒有院長的時候可以繼續運作也就是由三個部會的三個首長全序部部長、考選部部長、保訓會這三個首長"},{"start":7240.947,"end":7241.107,"text":"公聽會議公聽會議"},{"start":7257.793,"end":7286.688,"text":"明顯已經有人違反憲法終成義務在考試委員在考試院沒有考試委員沒有考試院長的情況之下就要趕快通過考試委員的同意權這個東西一定要趕快運作的這個也是我們立法委員應該要有的一個責任不能讓整個考試院就晾在那邊沒有考試院長然後現在這件事已經發生了"},{"start":7287.986,"end":7312.196,"text":"將近已經快半年的時間結果現在才來通過這樣一個權宜措施我覺得這個權宜措施非常的諷刺這個是第一個我要講的那第二個勒畢竟考試院勒它就是在決定整個未來國家的人才的一個訓練那我們在基層實務上事實上我們看到了現在的公務員這個體制勒"},{"start":7315.776,"end":7343.85,"text":"很難留得住人才尤其是包括建築業這個建築的就是說以及在機關裡面他可能是建設屬於建設業的或者是屬於這個公共工程的這個人才非常的少所以最後涉及到的整個國家的制度裡面為什麼沒有辦法留住這樣的一些公共工程的人才"},{"start":7344.775,"end":7365.369,"text":"那過去的時候我們知道說軍官、飛官的人才非常難留住在於很多飛官他只要在空軍受完訓練之後他就會選擇離開選擇到民間因為到民間的薪水比較高到一般的航空公司那所以蔡英文在"},{"start":7369.265,"end":7380.02,"text":"當年他後來有指示通過了一個叫做飛行人員、飛官的他的留任的一個獎敘金讓後來飛官的人他有更多的條件他會選擇繼續"},{"start":7386.949,"end":7408.33,"text":"繼續服役那我想這個事實上也要去思考的就是說我們國家是不是對於這樣的一些公共工程類的公務員事實上他們擔了很大的責任但是相對的他們的應該要有的報酬是不是比民間少而且少很多"},{"start":7409.771,"end":7417.176,"text":"那變成說人才是留不住的這是第一個那第二個那如果再講到了說未來這個"},{"start":7420.762,"end":7440.866,"text":"人才的不足也不只是公共工程類事實上在比方說像地檢署包括檢察官檢察官的整體的人員是不足的包括法院的人員也不足包括社工界社工的人員也嚴重不足這樣很多"},{"start":7441.857,"end":7465.287,"text":"部門的人才都沒有辦法好好的補足他的責任這個考試院真的是必須要好好去思考要怎麼樣的制度設計讓人才可以留著讓人員可以補足因為你一旦這些人不夠的話你很多業務是無法實施的所以這個是我在提出的一個建議"},{"start":7467.912,"end":7468.172,"text":"公聽會：第11屆第2會期第2會期"},{"start":7487.374,"end":7513.532,"text":"這些公務人員他們可以親自養育3歲以下的子女所以我們認為你只要符合一定要件原服務機關同意就可以調任到實際居住的一個機關這個是對公務人員的一個照顧但是實際的運作上我聽到了很多基本上公務人員縱使有3歲以下的小孩他們原服務機關仍然是不同意他轉調到他機關"},{"start":7514.572,"end":7516.333,"text":"公聽會委員：第11屆第2會期第1次全院委員會"},{"start":7530.822,"end":7530.962,"text":"公聽會議公聽會議公聽會議"},{"start":7549.751,"end":7550.112,"text":"公聽會議公聽會議公聽會議公聽會議公聽會議"},{"start":7572.985,"end":7587.472,"text":"而不是說考試委員常常就是我們同意權行使完後現在考試委員就被處理啊就要人在隊 工作派找到人啊那這個我們會覺得很可惜因為考試委員畢竟他們的會議都在決定"},{"start":7588.432,"end":7605.882,"text":"整個國家的公務人員的任用我們也希望在考試委員在於通過了人事的同意權之後可以更貼近基層可以更知道整個基層的公務員他們真正的心聲尤其是這幾天新聞都有在報導關於勞動部的狀況事實上也都是涉及到公務員他們"},{"start":7614.586,"end":7636.948,"text":"在任職期間他們的基本的權利以及他們面對主管的一些管理措施的時候那公務員應該要有怎樣的自我的應該是說要怎麼去適度的做權利的一個申訴或者是主張這個都很重要這些東西我覺得"},{"start":7638.249,"end":7661.889,"text":"當然行政機關有責任我們立法機關也是有責任把法律修好但是考試委員畢竟你都是站在公務員的旁邊所以未來要怎麼讓考試委員貼近這一些基層公務員的心聲然後可以把這些心聲如實的轉達給其他的憲政機關然後來做相對的因應"},{"start":7662.574,"end":7679.332,"text":"我認為這個科室考試委員應該要去自我強化也應該要去加強的以上是我提出的我的幾個觀點我們也希望這一次的考試委員在人事同意權行使之後未來他們可以在他們的職務上"},{"start":7681.474,"end":7685.378,"text":"謝謝蔡委員下一位我們請徐巧欣委員發言"},{"start":7704.516,"end":7723.878,"text":"謝謝主席也謝謝專家學者們給我們寶貴的意見還有我們在場審查小組的委員以及我們現場的媒體記者朋友首先對於這個考試院我想主要針對公務人員的保障機制來做一個探討"},{"start":7724.679,"end":7746.004,"text":"但同時不釋服的部分要如何的太除也是社會大眾非常關心的一個焦點那考試院掌管了公務人員權序考記等等的問題我們就從最近大家關心的勞動部霸凌事件來掀開我國公務體系當中權勢霸凌的這個遮羞布"},{"start":7746.944,"end":7775.187,"text":"舉例來說在這個昨天吧開了這個考機會的時候那當事人已經加害者已經被免職的情況對方就直接選擇不出席好像我們的政府體系也完全沒有辦法拿他怎麼辦也就代表說在這個機制當中可能是出現一些漏洞的那我想未來的考試委員或許就要針對考機會可能產生出的類似漏洞去做一個補強"},{"start":7776.488,"end":7791.351,"text":"那所以呢在現在的公務體系裡面因為我們對公務人員有所保障也因此我們看到了非常多的私下的霸凌的現象就誠如剛才吳春城委員所提到的"},{"start":7791.872,"end":7813.763,"text":"許多的公務人員都是好不容易才能夠通過非常艱辛的考試拿到俗稱的鐵飯碗這樣子的一個資格當然沒有人希望能夠離開這樣子的一個位置上面也就是說他們在這樣的課程體制裡面即便遭到主管的霸凌也沒有辦法輕易的離開崗位"},{"start":7816.364,"end":7837.859,"text":"這一點在軍、工、教當中都有這樣的情況我自己本身在國防外交委員會在軍人的體系裡面更是如此有不少因為被不當管教而自傷的案件那他們家人在最後發現的時候已經是為時已晚來不及拯救這些孩子們的生命"},{"start":7838.579,"end":7854.651,"text":"所以現在在2024年的今天我們仍然看到許多的主管然後在霸凌他的下屬而沒有人敢具名投訴因為怕他接下來的考機會被打得一等或是平等的這個情況"},{"start":7856.232,"end":7873.707,"text":"另外一個具體的案例是前新竹市調查站的主任林維成先生在余政煌跟林智堅的抄襲論文風波的發生的時候擅自的給余政煌的考積打了都是已等的情況"},{"start":7874.828,"end":7896.748,"text":"這不也是透過考機拿來作為威脅公務人員言論自由的工具那去控制基層的公務人員實現政治目的嗎所以類似這樣子的情況我認為考試委員必須要有公平正義的決心來捍衛這些基層人員他們所受到的不公平的對待"},{"start":7897.569,"end":7919.287,"text":"也就是不適任公務人員的汰除跟職務的調換我想這一點是非常重要的所以適任的公務人員我們當然要保障他的權益而不適任的公務人員要如何的汰除也相當的重要再來我們談到適任的公務人員的保障也就是在退休輔助的保障部分"},{"start":7920.208,"end":7936.289,"text":"通過年金改革之後我們有一個條款叫做每4年要檢討一次所以上路至今差不多也到了該檢討的時候所以我們其實有提出三個建議目前在法案上面經過到的一讀的階段"},{"start":7937.791,"end":7965.042,"text":"也就是取消所得替代率每年調降的限制CPI成長率達到3%的時候調整月退每兩年檢討一次退伏基金那在這個部分我們會很希望知道考試委員對這三項意見的這個看法因為年輕改革的檢視期間4年的檢討一次時間已經快要到了所以這一點我相信也是我們到時候會著墨在審查的一個部分"},{"start":7965.962,"end":7987.527,"text":"然後還有另外在現代的時代裡面數位化AI跟科技的點數也是我們希望能夠達到的目標因為現在的考試越來越多元包含像是我們很多的身心障礙者他們的考試在過去或許是有一些難度的但在現代的社會來說其實越來越方便"},{"start":7988.087,"end":8009.975,"text":"所以要怎麼樣去結合日新月異的這些科技讓可能是有這樣子伸展者的考試或者是說遠端的考試能夠在一個既公平又方便又快速的情況之下來完成他們的點試這一點也希望考試委員能夠提出一些革新的想法"},{"start":8010.795,"end":8031.683,"text":"還有很多公務人員期待能夠有公會的改革這一點我個人也相當的支持但是似乎有一些難度但如果考試委員能夠支持並且去提出詳細的解決辦法的話那就我自己身為立法委員來說呢我是希望有機會看到這樣的革新的理由是"},{"start":8032.683,"end":8057.266,"text":"如果公務人員能夠組成自己的工會包含警消等等其實對於像我們剛剛談到的這種霸凌的事件可以透過工會的管道去處理不至於無法發生有一個管道能夠順暢的去解決我認為對於很多所謂的淘汰或是不適服類似的情況有一個疏通的機制"},{"start":8058.327,"end":8082.665,"text":"所以如果有考試委員願意能夠想到這樣的革新方案我個人也會覺得是比較適任的另外我們也要談到約聘僱人員的權益以及薪資問題在現在的政府體系裡面因為我們的公務人員當然有很多的退休金的保障所以看到不管是中央政府或是地方政府"},{"start":8083.285,"end":8083.445,"text":"副院長及考試委員同意權案"},{"start":8100.017,"end":8127.937,"text":"那他聘任的原因、方法、理由是什麼其實我們並不知道那再來就是普通的約聘過人員他沒有所謂的勞動保障的這個他沒有公保的權益他只有勞基法的這個保障權益那能不能夠在很多的這個權益上面有更積極性的保障我覺得這一點呢考試委員可能也要來協助注意好 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謝謝許委員接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員發言"},{"start":8313.339,"end":8326.557,"text":"主席、在場的學者專家代表、我們本會的委員我想今天我們來進行考試院院長、副院長、考試委員的公聽會首先我們來回顧一下考試院的任務"},{"start":8327.967,"end":8348.614,"text":"我們很清楚地看到,考試院從公務人員的把著考選,到訓練分發,以至到機關的考機跟簽調、申簽,以及退休後的退服,和這段時間的權力保障,分別由考試院、有考選部、有詮釋部、有保訓委員會,來分別給予公務人員這些必要的照顧。"},{"start":8349.614,"end":8373.18,"text":"但是呢,我們來看一下,那到底這幾年來公務員待遇好嗎?我們看一看從公務員的報考數、公務員考試的報考數、國家考試、到考率跟錄取數都降低了這幾年我們常看到新聞媒體報告國家考試、公職考試報考人數下降這十年來呢,下降了大減了,夭折"},{"start":8374.82,"end":8395.795,"text":"大減了56%那這麼少人的報考,報考率又如何呢?報考率只有過去的6成至於很多的考科、很多的機關沒辦法足而入取有53個類科無人入取而且多半是第3等跟第4等考試的工程類職缺"},{"start":8397.677,"end":8411.742,"text":"如果我們對公務員的保障給他的待遇足夠那為什麼有志於公務生涯的生力軍越來越少呢我們看到以工程類來說什麼問題出現了好就以土木專業技能來講"},{"start":8413.323,"end":8438.661,"text":"包括這些其他類型有業務重、待遇不如民間以致離職率增加民間企業人才的需求增加開出了高薪公務員心智無法拉抬以致於人才流失、待遇差第二個工時長一個新聞報導指出地方政府的主計處加班時數驚人每人每月加班將近17個小時幾乎要天天加班"},{"start":8439.845,"end":8454.735,"text":"另外,業務繁重,也有地方政府衛生局的長照科,去年爆發離職潮,24位公務員5人離職俗稱公務員是鐵飯碗,考上了大家都願意待到退休,為什麼要離職?這些重重的問題不止"},{"start":8458.217,"end":8474.785,"text":"公職人員是如此,那麼國考的專業人員如此呢?我沒有看到了其實我們已經偵辦了三次的護理師考試來彌補護理師人才的缺口考選部為了補足這些專業人員的考試缺口,降低門檻"},{"start":8475.805,"end":8499.394,"text":"那麼呢就被人家質疑說是不是因為這個缺人所以我們要把標準放低其實呢不只是無數考上的護理人員他的職業率下降缺額增加2023年新增第三次而且呢還明擺著說要降低難度真的公職考試公職人員還有專精人員考試不再那麼失香了嗎我們除了因應社會的需求"},{"start":8502.008,"end":8529.338,"text":"我們調整考試的內容或錄取名額的同時怎麼樣讓更多的人才願意留下來為國家服務為社會服務呢我們來看一看有哪些做法好這是我們也是看到媒體的報導為長期人力不足的偏鄉和公務員提供社宅一般提到社會住宅好像都是給經濟弱勢者社會上比較需要照顧的人曾幾何時在偏鄉服的公務員大家看一看"},{"start":8529.798,"end":8556.118,"text":"在綜合有個錦銷的設宅是全國首座給基層的錦銷入住優先給兩線以下一星以下的基層錦銷那麼難道這樣對長期人力不足的單位及偏鄉公務員提供設宅這會是考試院的業務嗎這會是規定在公務員服務法嗎不對公務員服務法裡面都是行政機關對於公務員的倫理規範跟醫師法、律師法一樣"},{"start":8557.079,"end":8584.539,"text":"早來早去就一個中央公教人員福利互助辦法當中有略略提到公務人員宿舍部分但是這似乎也不是考試院的權責那考試院到底主觀什麼法令呢我們來看一下考試院在公務人員的福利部分他沒有辦法去下手但是呢最近非常關注的就是基層公務員包括司法人員的過勞現時的公務員的加班規範哪裡有呢"},{"start":8585.619,"end":8606.254,"text":"公務人員保障法第22條的第1項、第2項裡面提到了原則上要給予加班費補休假,另外是要獲考核跟獎勵但是現代人的工作觀念他寧可要休息,他不願意要領你的加班費尤其是在有些單位要實施輪班輪休的業務性的特殊的像警消、醫護"},{"start":8607.535,"end":8631.542,"text":"那麼為了保障公務員的健康權那麼這些在公務人員保障法當中有說要給予適當的評價那其他的公務員有沒有設定加班的上限呢最近一些我們傳出來的不幸事件這些基層公務員因為工時太長不生副課或者選擇走上悲劇的這條路我們看一看有什麼辦法可以來彌補呢有的"},{"start":8633.027,"end":8660.469,"text":"這個就是我們公務人員安全及衛生防護辦法是來自於公務人員保障法第19條當中對公務人員安全的防護衍生出來難道這樣的辦法我們可以滿足嗎我們看一看在國外有所謂的離線權在2017年法國有推離線權勞工在非工作時間可以不回覆訊息不受懲罰有沒有覺得非常眼熟啊這次的不幸事件"},{"start":8661.547,"end":8661.867,"text":"公聽會議公聽會議公聽會議公聽會議公聽會議公聽會議公聽會議"},{"start":8689.722,"end":8690.502,"text":"公聽會：第11屆第2會期第1次全院委員會"},{"start":8708.122,"end":8735.988,"text":"執行職務因他人行為遭受身體或精神不法侵害之預防嚴格來講這應該是公務員執行公務的時候對外界的外於他的對象執法對象對他的侵害但是在職場上自己的主管對你的精神的傷害有沒有在這個保障的範圍內呢我會根據如此來申請職場霸凌的救濟呢事後的救濟向機關提出申訴向保訓會提出再申訴甚至到行政訴訟"},{"start":8737.108,"end":8758.721,"text":"其實我想現行的機制都不足以面對現在日新月異 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謝謝好 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如果說我們今天真的要去看這一個考試院業務的一個專業我們可以看到這一個呢 這一次被提名的這一個院長周鴻憲還有副院長許書祥 這兩位候選人他們過去在考試院的時間其實非常的長"},{"start":9664.143,"end":9684.959,"text":"所以他的專業包含權序我看到有在考選部也有在保訓另外幾個委員他們其實都有參與國家考試跟公務行政非常相當的一個資歷我想說這些資歷我不認為這是最重要的點但這個資歷大概可以讓他在升任委員的時候可以比較磨合期變得比較短"},{"start":9685.76,"end":9707.178,"text":"但公視磨合期比較短這件事情不足以讓我們認為說這個人就升任考試委員所以我倒過來講我認為整體的一個公部門的一個服務的經驗還有他的文官資歷這兩件事情我認為是重要的那接下來就是我們這一跟專技考試有關的我們剛剛看到幾位專家學者也有提到就是跟"},{"start":9707.778,"end":9733.098,"text":"專技證照相關的資歷這個我就不多說我個人是非常的贊同那這種背景的多元因為畢竟它是合議制所以呢在 譬如說站在立法院我們很多的委員的專業其實都不一樣大家都會根據自己的專業來發言然後最後透過合議的一個方式來決定事情雖然我們是一個簡單多數學的一個地方但以考試院來講考試院的一個合議制它的確多元的需求"},{"start":9733.698,"end":9763.03,"text":"比這個個別的我們剛剛講的這個人到底有多麼的專業這一個人到底有沒有跟這個業務有關其實沒有那麼大的一個關係所以在這邊我反而是更贊成剛剛我記得應該是呂老師提到我覺得就是因為他們在文官體系待得久以及他們有政治的專業所以譬如說針對我們這陣子的一些霸凌相關的案件又或者我們對文官體制要怎麼改革"},{"start":9763.51,"end":9784.82,"text":"其實應該有一個剛剛講2050應該是2030幾年還是2040幾年他應該有一個長期的規劃我認為這才是一個政治人物應該要做的事情那如果說他今天有一個長期的規劃不管是他想要動總人額還是說他認為說這個裡面的任免的這個體系應該要怎麼做這至關重要"},{"start":9785.64,"end":9810.008,"text":"我記得在2013年那個時候這個國防部那時候發生爆發相類似案件的時候我們那時候最擔心的就是國防部裡面有這個所謂的士官長這樣的一個文化這個文化他在那邊他也不走你也動不了他然後在那邊當土皇帝這其實會造成很多體系上的疑問而國防部當時遇到的問題其實也就是我們在各個行政部門都會遇到的問題"},{"start":9810.988,"end":9836.582,"text":"而考試院尤其是在權序跟保訓這兩個業務上面他除了可以做激勵跟懲罰之外更重要的事情是他要怎麼去設計這個未來的體制這個未來的體制就跟他的文官的經驗跟他甚至政治的經驗有高度的相關所以我剛好有聽到說這個是不是他們有政黨的背景這件事情我認為這其實並不是那麼的重要對我來講有政黨的背景它不是什麼壞事"},{"start":9837.763,"end":9863.843,"text":"有政黨的背景表示他今天在政治上的經驗比較足夠不是嗎更不要講說我還特地去看了一下翻了一下資料我就發現第8屆是這個邱創煥他有當國民黨副主席第9屆這個徐水德也是國民黨秘書長第10屆的姚家文是民進黨的主席11屆關忠是國民黨的副主席12屆的吳景麟是國民黨的副秘書長"},{"start":9864.924,"end":9890.849,"text":"所以這個看起來好像也不是很影響他們的專業不是嗎也就是說他們作為一個這一個考試院的這個院長在當時所提出的這個願景跟想法我不覺得會因為他的一個政黨的傾向去影響反而是我們知道他的一個譬如說他有一個政他以前任過黨職又或者說因為他的政黨的傾向我們更了解譬如說他是偏左派還是偏右派"},{"start":9891.249,"end":9892.131,"text":"副院長：第11屆第2會期第1次全院委員會"},{"start":9906.673,"end":9931.014,"text":"所以我覺得這件事情可能並不是我們需要考量的那最後呢這個你剛剛其實有提到我剛剛有稍微因為剛有提到鄧家基那我稍微去看了一下我去搜尋了一下我就發現雖然他在專書上面雖然我認為這個專業不重要但我認為在專書上面他的確按照剛剛這個專家學者的意見看起來比較少但我剛剛搜了一下他有蠻多期刊論文的"},{"start":9931.815,"end":9949.055,"text":"所以我覺得這可能是因為搜尋引擎上的一些失誤所以可能發生這樣的一個疑問那最後我要講一下就是對於這一次的這個案件就是霸凌相關的案件變成是大家政治上非常重要的一個關注點那"},{"start":9949.776,"end":9977.102,"text":"的確除了我們剛剛講體系上的問題之外其實職場霸凌現在在台灣的社會原本就是一個寄存的問題那跟我們以前學校在處理校園霸凌其實也非常的類似那有沒有辦法從這一個第一個就是在院警上面我們剛剛講整個文官任職體系我們到底要怎麼去做修正有沒有要怎麼去避免這種土皇帝的產生這是第一個第二個就是呢因為目前我們的設計考積跟懲處是兩個不同的制度"},{"start":9977.742,"end":9998.057,"text":"那考機是考機,像這一次呢,看起來是走專案考機那專案考機的確也像剛剛有專家學者提到這個當時沒有給這一個當事人發言嘛所以這個程序上有沒有瑕疵而考試院能不能針對這一點的做更清楚的一個立場這其實是非常重要的那至於呢,如果先是走到懲處這條路的話那懲處這條路說真的"},{"start":10000.799,"end":10025.366,"text":"這個就是已經是往法院那一個方向決定了那並不是我們可以去動到的但是這兩條路徑足不足以解決我們現在的問題我自己也是打一個問號但我們也不希望我們去設計更多的制度來跌床駕屋那到底我們在這個未來上面我們的考試委員們能不能夠想出一個比較有創意的方案我個人是非常的期待那我就不多講了我就大概簡短發言到這邊 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單位而不是讓每一個機關自行處理只會讓身處在這些職場當中的受難者不敢為自己發聲我們一定會為他們加油為他們努力"},{"start":3282.539,"end":3304.958,"text":"謝謝羅廷偉委員的發言接下來請登記第八位 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下下禮拜二12月3號也是現在追思白玫瑰運動的日子"},{"start":3437.25,"end":3463.467,"text":"我要呼籲全國民眾大家一起來因為十年前一位無辜不信的女老師她被兇嫌隨機殺害之後到現在兇嫌沒有得到應有的法律制裁台灣絕對沒有資格跟條件走向廢死這條路至少現在此時此刻全台八成民意是反對廢死大法官想要實質廢死我們絕對不同意"},{"start":3465.868,"end":3483.814,"text":"所以下個禮拜二12月3號下午1點我們凱道見追思白玫瑰只有愛蘿蔔最後時間留給孟凱最以及國人最愛的中華隊我們說打美樂打了沒中華隊打美樂今天就打謝謝謝謝洪孟凱委員發言接下來請登記第9號吳宗憲委員請發言"},{"start":3511.561,"end":3518.527,"text":"面對死刑犯會議大法官判決而回歸社會政府解決不了問題就解決提出問題的人"},{"start":3520.114,"end":3537.625,"text":"昨天我在質詢刑法官出身的司法院刑事廳廳長的時候連他都對我所提出來的幾個問題表示有此可能性會回去研議解決的方法但是呢我們的政府不亡羊補牢只會發動側翼政客"},{"start":3539.246,"end":3556.688,"text":"出來說我們在危言聳聽在恐嚇社會請問一下用騙術來維持執政的政府人民要如何安身立命連專業的刑聽法官都認為這是個問題結果只有政客跟車醫告訴我們這些都不是問題"},{"start":3557.549,"end":3577.59,"text":"我再重申這五個問題。第一,收容十幾二十幾年的人如何能夠認定有串證逃亡之餘,所以根本無法羈押他們。第二,縱使羈押,一個審期期限也只有15個月的羈押期限,光送精神鑑定就非常耗時,審不完也只好放人。"},{"start":3578.351,"end":3597.654,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳"},{"start":3608.109,"end":3618.142,"text":"所以將來收容的日期也可能會折禮刑期導致這些死刑犯非常快就可以申請假釋出獄再來,非常上述一旦成功"},{"start":3619.818,"end":3641.694,"text":"收容人的身份轉為被告那在等待普通法院裁定羈押前的控檔根本沒有法令去限制他們的人身自由所以以上這些問題就是沒有實務經驗的大法官所捅出來的褸子這些大法官不僅沒有解決問題反而製造了更多問題出來當廢死的大法官幫這些死刑犯死裡逃生的時候"},{"start":3642.575,"end":3668.466,"text":"司法天秤已經大大的傾斜還有誰能夠為這些亡魂、為這些被害人討公道我才上週已經提過了司徒獎女老師遭到性侵、被攻擊死亡本來五度判死卻這次被大法官救了12月3日就是女老師10年前被害的日子所以今年12月3日下午1點到4點在台道我們有一個只有艾魯斯"},{"start":3669.605,"end":3693.216,"text":"只有愛如故、追思白玫瑰活動被害者家屬的眼淚都還沒有乾我們一起出來拒絕大法官邀請一同為被害者發聲面對這些狀況我想不是只有看到希望我們才能堅持而是堅持下去我們就會看到希望請大家跟我一起站出來我們一起站出來向這個政府為社會安全不長抗議"},{"start":3701.663,"end":3706.346,"text":"謝謝吳宗憲委員的發言接下來請登記第10號羅志強委員請發言民進黨廢死、霸凌該死的都不用死不該死的卻死了"},{"start":3730.936,"end":3758.206,"text":"一位認真的公務員因為謝宜龍的霸凌失去了生命可是謝宜龍卻可以至今神隱不用出面道歉認錯不用出面交代真相勞動部的記者會他不用出來昨天勞動部長的備詢他也不用到"},{"start":3759.634,"end":3784.139,"text":"委員何培山等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等"},{"start":3785.666,"end":3814.218,"text":"今天謝宜龍他不甩勞動部我只問一件事勞動部你能拿他怎麼辦你能拿他怎麼辦他不理你你能拿他怎麼辦他沒有法律義務要理你啊可是如果今天要不是大法官沒收了國會的聽證調查沒收全世界國會都有的聽證調查今天謝宜龍國會就可以要求他出席聽證會"},{"start":3816.397,"end":3840.579,"text":"把所有霸凌的過程如實交代清楚如果今天這麼嚴重、離譜、可惡的霸凌發生在美國、加拿大或任何的民主國家他們的國會會舉行聽證調查把當事人、關係人傳來對國人做出最完整的交代但今天卸容不需要"},{"start":3841.653,"end":3847.616,"text":"因為大法官做他的靠山因為這可惡的大法官做謝宜龍的靠山這位公務員認真負責他早上五點多上班然後工作到深夜這樣一個認真負責的公務員在被謝宜龍霸凌之後謝宜龍要他11月4號交代工作"},{"start":3871.676,"end":3900.791,"text":"結果11月4號他把工作交出來了耶拼命加班把工作交出來耶然後他也交出了他的生命是多麼負責任的公務員他連交出生命之前還把工作交出來今天我們竟然勞動不可以允許這種事情發生到現在拿謝怡榮一點辦法都沒有我們拒絕這個霸凌廢死的政府謝謝大家"},{"start":3905.075,"end":3907.981,"text":"現在登記國事論壇發言的委員均已發言完畢我們現在休息"},{"start":5410.916,"end":5423.435,"text":"同院會現在我們繼續開會請秘書長報告出席人數同院會出席委員85人已足法定人數我們現在開會我們先處理朝野黨團協商結論請議事人員宣讀"},{"start":5427.373,"end":5453.862,"text":"議法院黨團協商結論時間113年11月20日星期三下午30地點紅樓302會議室決定事項一本第二會期延會至114年1月21日星期二至主持人韓國瑜江啟臣協商代表副分級林思敏、王煌威吳思堯、蔡益渝、柯建銘、黃國昌、吳春成、麥玉珍宣讀完畢請問議員會對以上朝野黨團協商有無異議"},{"start":5455.302,"end":5472.172,"text":"沒有異議我們就通過113年11月20日草野黨團協商結論今決定如下本電會期延至114年1月21日星期二至報告委員會現在在議場二樓旁邊的是遠自臺東"},{"start":5475.072,"end":5481.001,"text":"建新社區發展會的好朋友們,歡迎你們!現在我們進行報告事項,請秘書長宣讀第二會期第九次會議意思錄。"},{"start":5491.59,"end":5496.576,"text":"宣讀立法院第11屆第2會期第9次會議：時間中華民國113年11月4日上午9時至9時28分、10時20分至10時29分、11月19日上午9時至11時54分、下午2時30分至49分"},{"start":5510.891,"end":5527.891,"text":"立典本院議長、出席委員陳委員昭志等112人、請假委員邱委員易營、主席院長韓國瑜、列席官員、行政院長卓榮泰等3人報告事項第一案宣讀本院第11屆第2會期第8次會議事度決定、確定"},{"start":5529.613,"end":5546.187,"text":"第12至101、103至129、131至133、135至258案均決定交互相關委員會審查或交互相關委員會第102、130案均決定經貿主與相關提案並按協商第134案決定同意撤回"},{"start":5546.968,"end":5562.068,"text":"第259至276案、委內政委員會等所提示報告案、執行事項、行政院討論部分22件、與本院委員執行部分2件、討論事項第一案決議、不一樣不通過第248案、"},{"start":5564.097,"end":5580.183,"text":"均決議通過第3、5至7、9案均決議協商後再行處理第10案決議交互黨團協商、行政院院長等類型報告113年度中央任務總預算追加預算案編制經過並達後諮詢決定交財政委員會同有關委員審查"},{"start":5584.665,"end":5597.593,"text":"其他4項1、1、3、1、3年11月12日草委黨團選上決論1項2、1、3、1、3年11月14日草委黨團選上決論5項宣讀完畢報告委員會針對第2會期第9次會議意思錄並無委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處我們先來做以下決定第2會期第9次會議意思錄確定請宣讀第二案"},{"start":5607.898,"end":5632.091,"text":"第二案本院有一頁原汁等20人擬具民防法第五條及第六條等文修正草緊水案程序委員會兼理行委會教內政委員會審查宣言完畢報告院會報告事項第二案現有民進黨黨團提議退回程序委員會重新提出請問院會有無異議有異議有異議我們現在進行表決我們按鈴7分鐘現在一絲人員請分發表決卡開始按鈴"},{"start":6078.902,"end":6091.33,"text":"委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬"},{"start":6110.043,"end":6133.675,"text":"委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬"},{"start":6136.998,"end":6160.514,"text":"委員張雅琳等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案 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、委員張雅"},{"start":6166.544,"end":6193.572,"text":"委員張雅琳等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員張雅琳等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員張雅琳等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員張雅琳等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員張雅琳等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員張雅琳等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員張雅琳等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文�"},{"start":6195.663,"end":6221.076,"text":"拜託各位委員請回座請問拿到表決卡沒有請回座請回座"},{"start":6222.413,"end":6250.336,"text":"請回座我們立刻開始表決也拜託各位黨團幹部約束一下各位委員同仁請回座請問委員都有沒有拿到表決卡好都有拿到表決卡我們現在進行表決贊成民進黨團體第二案退回程序委員會的請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":6327.182,"end":6352.174,"text":"後院會報告表決結果出席104位、贊成47位、反對57位、贊成者少數不通過本案照程序委員會意見通過下一案第三案本院委員業員之等21人擬具今天日期節日實施條例草案刑訊案程序委員會意見立行委會教內政委員會審查宣言完畢"},{"start":6352.714,"end":6380.198,"text":"予以通過下案第4案本院委員葉元智等21人擬具教師待遇條例第20條條文修正草案請審議案裁修委員會見尼琴會教司法及法治教育及文化聯盟委員會審查宣言完畢予以通過下案第5案本院委員葉元智等21人擬具中央通訊社設置條例第三條條文修正草案請審議案裁修委員會見尼琴會教司法及法治教育及文化聯盟委員會審查宣言完畢予以通過下案"},{"start":6380.618,"end":6403.886,"text":"第6案本院委員葉元智等20人擬具《體育及運動發展部組織法草案審選案》、《程序委員會見》、《立行會教育司法及法治教育及文化》兩委員會審查、宣讀完畢第7案本院委員葉元智等21人擬廢具《行政運動業委員會農糧署各分署組織通責審選案》、《程序委員會見》、《立行會教育司法及法治經濟》兩委員會審查、宣讀完畢"},{"start":6406.787,"end":6426.476,"text":"第8案本院委員王鴻薇等18人擬具《議程及正義稅法第十五條條文修正草案》請審議案第9案本院委員吳思瑤等16人擬具《國家語言研究發展中心設施條例草案》請審議案第9案本院委員吳思瑤等16人擬具《國家語言研究發展中心設施條例草案》請審議案第9案本院委員吳思瑤等16人擬具"},{"start":6431.238,"end":6444.844,"text":"第十案本院委員吳宗憲等19人擬具《中華民國刑法》贈禮第十章之一第172條之一及第172條之二條文草案侵水案採訪委員會見 立行會教育司法企劃支援會審查宣傳完畢"},{"start":6446.365,"end":6463.991,"text":"第11案、本院委員陳昌明等16人擬具第一頁法第十七條條文修正草案侵水案、財修委員會屆年期會教育經濟委員會審查、宣討違併。第12案、本院委員劉許廷等17人擬具《都市更新條例》字列第44條之一條文草案侵水案、"},{"start":6464.751,"end":6478.958,"text":"財修委員會見、立請會教內政委員會審查、宣布外幣。第13案,本院委員劉許廷等16人擬具中華民國刑法部分條文修正草案審選案、財修委員會見、立請會教司法及法治委員會審查、宣布外幣。"},{"start":6480.279,"end":6501.386,"text":"第14案、本院委員外美林等17人擬具《教育基本法》第四條條文修正草情緒案、陳修緣會見、理情會教教育及文化委員會審查、宣傳併。第15案、本院委員外美林等16人擬具《國民體育法》第七條條文修正草情緒案、陳修緣會見、理情會教教育及文化委員會審查、宣傳併。"},{"start":6502.987,"end":6527.329,"text":"第16案本院委員外媒林等16人擬具《國民體育法》第25條條文修正草行水案採取委員會建立請會教教育及文化委員會審查宣傳併案第17案本院委員外媒林等17人擬具《我掌中你的領域》採取合作及人才本院創新條例第4條條文修正草行水案採取委員會建立請會教教育及文化委員會審查宣傳併案"},{"start":6528.57,"end":6548.83,"text":"第18案：本院委員林淑英等16人擬具《行政院組事法》第3條條文修正草情緒案、前修委員會見議請獲交司法及法律委員會審查。宣言完畢。第19案：本院委員林淑英等16人擬具《中央行政經管組織基準法》第29條及第39條條文修正草情緒案、"},{"start":6549.952,"end":6553.336,"text":"財修委員會見臨行會教育司法及法治委員會審查宣傳完畢"},{"start":6566.192,"end":6589.985,"text":"第21案本院委員魯明哲等16人擬具《殯葬管理條例》第21條之一條文修正草行審案陳修緣會見,您請回交內政委員會審查。宣言完畢。第21案本院委員魯明哲等19人擬具《國軍眷村文化保存及方審條例草行審案》陳修緣會見,您請回交外交及國防教育及文化聯委會審查。宣言完畢。"},{"start":6591.286,"end":6601.65,"text":"第23案、本院委員魯明哲等16人擬具《菸酒管理法》第32條條文修正草案審選案、財政委員會審查、宣布完畢。第24案、本院委員魯明哲等17人擬具《青年基本法》審選案、財政委員會審、教育及文化委員會審查、宣布完畢。"},{"start":6612.995,"end":6635.182,"text":"第25案本院委員盧明哲等21人擬具《道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條條文修正草案》請選案採訪委員會監理請回交交通委員會審查宣傳完畢第26案本院委員盧明哲等21人擬具《道路交通管理處罰條例第21條條文修正草案》請選案採訪委員會監理請回交交通委員會審查宣傳完畢"},{"start":6636.522,"end":6654.594,"text":"第二十七案、本院委員盧明哲等16人擬具《大陸交通管理處罰條例第56條條文修正草案》、財經委員會見李行輝教交通委員會審查、宣言完畢第二十八案、本院委員盧明哲等16人擬具《中華民國經濟法第276條條文修正草案》、"},{"start":6655.775,"end":6683.18,"text":"財修委員會見、立行會教育司法及法治委員會審查。宣讀完畢。第29案,委員林宜瑾等16人擬具《中華民國刑法》第283條條文修正草案競選案。財修委員會見、立行會教育司法及法治委員會審查。宣讀完畢。第30案,委員林宜瑾等16人擬具《刑事訴訟法》第87條條文修正草案競選案。財修委員會見、立行會教育司法及法治委員會審查。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":6685.16,"end":6707.666,"text":"議案 本院委員盧銘哲等17人擬具《行政院組織法》第3條條文修正草競選案、財修委員會見、理行會教育司法及法治委員會審查。宣言完畢。議案 本院委員盧銘哲等17人擬具《中央行政機關組織基準法》第29條條文修正草競選案、財修委員會見、理行會教育司法及法治委員會審查。宣言完畢。"},{"start":6708.666,"end":6720.532,"text":"報告事項第32案現有國民黨團體禁服二讀與相關提案併案協商請問院會沒有異議本案禁服二讀與相關提案併案協商"},{"start":6721.243,"end":6745.378,"text":"第33案本院委員盧明哲等17人擬具《教育部主事法》第二條及第五條條文修正草案審選案採取委員會見、聯席委員會教育司法及法治教育及文化聯盟委員會審查、宣讀完畢第34案本院委員盧明哲等17人擬具《運動發展部主事法》草案審選案採取委員會見、聯席委員會教育司法及法治教育及文化聯盟委員會審查、宣讀完畢"},{"start":6746.679,"end":6767.84,"text":"第35案：本院委員魯明哲等17人擬具《運動發展部運動推廣及產業發展署組織法草案侵水案》、財修委員會建立行會教育及文化委員會審查宣傳完畢第36案：本院委員魯明哲等16人擬具《侵害個人性私密影響防治條例草案侵水案》、"},{"start":6768.6,"end":6794.086,"text":"財修委員會監、理行會長、社會福利及衛生環境司法及法治療委員會審查、宣言完畢。議案 本院委員錄名者等19人擬具《身心障礙教學與保障法》第53條條文修正草案審選案。財修委員會監、理行會長、社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查、宣言完畢。議案 本院委員錄名者等16人擬具《視頻安全衛生管理法》第22條條文修正草案審選案。"},{"start":6795.286,"end":6823.242,"text":"財修委員會見、理事委會教育社會福利及優勝環境文化審查宣傳完畢第39案：本院委員林月琴等17人擬具運動部組織法草案審選案財修委員會見、理事委會教育司法及法治教育及文化聯盟委員會審查宣傳完畢第40案：本院委員林月琴等17人擬具運動部全民運動署組織法草案審選案財修委員會見、理事委會教育司法及法治教育及文化聯盟委員會審查宣傳完畢"},{"start":6824.463,"end":6845.401,"text":"第41案本院委員復婚期等17人擬具《土地稅法》第9條條文修正草案擬具審案、程序委員會見、理情會教、財政委員會審查、宣讀完畢第41案本院委員邱正君等21人擬具《婚姓條例例書》條條文修正草案擬具審案、程序委員會見、理情會教、財政委員會審查、宣讀完畢"},{"start":6846.582,"end":6856.371,"text":"第43案、本院委員徐宇珍等17人擬具運動發展部組織法草案審選案、程序委員會見、聯席委員會教育司法及法治教育及文化兩委會審查。"},{"start":6870.504,"end":6877.429,"text":"第45案本院委員葛珞鈞等18人擬具教育部組織法第2條、第5條及第9條條文修正草案審查委員范雲等17人擬具運動發展部組織法草案審查委員范雲等17人擬具運動發展部組織法草案審查委員范雲等17人擬具運動發展部組織法草案審查委員"},{"start":6898.024,"end":6924.089,"text":"第47案本院委員葛瓏鈞等18人擬具《國家運動科學中心設置條例部分條文修正草情水案》採取委員會見李行會教育司法及法治教育及文化兩委員會審查宣傳完畢無異通過報告委員會報告事項第48案提案委員來函撤回我們本案作以下決定同意撤回下一案事項無異通過現在48現在往49"},{"start":6930.831,"end":6931.491,"text":"本案同意撤回"},{"start":6945.936,"end":6974.858,"text":"第49案、本院委員郭玉琴等17人擬具《畜牧法部分條文修正草案》、請審案財修委員會監、理事會教育經濟委員會審查、宣傳並第50案、本院委員郭玉琴等16人擬具《兒童青少年福利與權益保障法部分條文修正草案》、請審案財修委員會監、理事會教育社會福利及文化環境委員會審查、宣傳並第51案、本院委員林思明等18人擬具《納稅者權利保護法第21條條文修正草案》、請審案"},{"start":6976.059,"end":6997.817,"text":"財修委員會建立行委會教育財政委員會審查,宣傳完畢第52案本院委員林思明等22人擬具《性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案》僅選一案財修委員會建立行委會教育社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查,宣傳完畢第53案本院委員林思明等22人擬具《勞動基準法第五十條條文修正草案》僅選一案"},{"start":6998.898,"end":7013.366,"text":"財修委員會監、理事委會教育、社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查、宣傳幣、第54案、本院委員任月隆等18人擬具政府財務法第94條條文修正草案、請選案財修委員會監、理事委會教育、交通委員會審查、宣傳幣、"},{"start":7014.867,"end":7034.609,"text":"第55案、本院委員王振旭等16人擬具《行政院組織法》第3條條文修正草案擬水案、財修委員會建立行會教育司法計劃支付委員會審查、宣傳秘密。第56案、本院委員王振旭等16人擬具《中央行政機關組織基準法》第29條及第39條條文修正草案擬水案、"},{"start":7035.369,"end":7049.995,"text":"財修委員會建立行會教育司法及法治委員會審查委通過下議案第57案本院委員王振旭等16人擬具運動部組織法草案審議案財修委員會建立行會教育司法及法治教育及文化聯委委員會審查委通過下議案"},{"start":7051.215,"end":7075.067,"text":"第58案：本院委員王振旭等16人擬具《運動部全民運動署組織法草案情緒案》、財修委員會見李勤和教育司法及法治教育及文化聯盟委員會審查、宣讀完畢第59案：本院委員王振旭等16人擬具《國家運動產業發展中心順勢條例草案情緒案》、財修委員會見李勤和教育司法及法治教育及文化聯盟委員會審查、宣讀完畢"},{"start":7077.065,"end":7081.629,"text":"通過報告委員會現在議場二樓旁聽的是國際獅子會第二00B複合區我們黃春林議長所率領的國際獅友蒞臨立法院我們掌聲改答熱情歡迎"},{"start":7098.272,"end":7109.196,"text":"委員王振旭等16人擬具《教育部組織法》第2條、第5條及第9條等文修正草案審選案財修委員會見臨時委會教育司法及法治教育及文化委員會審查宣傳並"},{"start":7110.737,"end":7136.224,"text":"第61案本院委員王振旭等16人擬具《國家運動訓練中心順勢條例修正草案情緒案》、財修委員會見李行輝教司法及法治教育及文化聯盟委員會審查、宣讀完畢第62案本院委員王振旭等16人擬具《國家運動科學中心順勢條例部分條文修正草案情緒案》、財修委員會見李行輝教司法及法治教育及文化聯盟委員會審查、宣讀完畢"},{"start":7138.024,"end":7164.424,"text":"第63案本院委員鄭天才等19人擬具《中央協政機關組織基準法》第33條條文修正草勤選案採取委員會意見你請獲交司法及法治委員會審查宣告完畢報告院會報告事項第63案現有國民黨團提議禁服二讀與相關提案併案協商請問院會有無異議沒有異議本案禁服二讀與相關提案併案協商下議案"},{"start":7164.824,"end":7184.959,"text":"第64案本院委員鄭天才等21人擬具《立政部組事法》第五條條文修正草案競選案採取委員會間聯席會教育司法及法律順利選領委員會審查訓練完畢六十三案本案與相關提案併案協商近乎二讀下議案六十四六十四案無異議通過下議案"},{"start":7185.626,"end":7195.41,"text":"第65案本院委員鄭天才等21人擬具《內政部新著名發展署組事法草案勤選案》、財修委員會兼年輕會教司法及法律內選聯合委員會審查宣討完畢"},{"start":7211.361,"end":7231.766,"text":"第66案、本院委員蘇欣璇等23人擬具海關經貿稅責第21項增訂珍珠森草案侵水案、財政委員會監、理事會教財政委員會審查、訓練完畢。第67案、本院委員外美林等18人擬具洪水條例第12條條文修正草案侵水案、財政委員會監、理事會教財政委員會審查、訓練完畢。"},{"start":7234.727,"end":7251.499,"text":"第68案本院委員外媒林等18人擬具《家庭教育法第七條條文修正草案》、請審議案第69案本院委員外媒林等19人擬具《原子能法部分條文修正草案》、請審議案第70案本院委員外媒林等17人擬具《國民體育法增定第十六條之一條文草案》、請審議案"},{"start":7264.689,"end":7272.054,"text":"財修委員會監、理事會教育及文化委員會審查宣傳完畢第七屆議案：本院教育及文化委員會審查宣傳完畢第七屆議案：本院教育及文化委員會審查宣傳完畢第七屆議案：本院教育及文化委員會審查宣傳完畢"},{"start":7293.308,"end":7315.2,"text":"第73案：本院委員外美林等16人擬具《科學技術基本法》第九條條文修正草案擬水案：程序委員會監理及委員會教育及文化委員會審查：宣布完畢。第74案：本院委員外美林等17人擬具《行政院組織法》第三條條文修正草案擬水案：程序委員會監理及委員會教育及文化及法治委員會審查：宣布完畢。"},{"start":7317.481,"end":7344.004,"text":"第75案本院委員外賣林等18人擬具《中央行政機關組織基準法》第33條條文修正草案情緒案,採取委員會意見,以及外交司法計劃事務委員會審查。宣告完畢。報告院會,報告事項第75案,現有國民黨黨團提議近乎二讀與相關提案並按協商,請問院會有異議?沒有異議,本案近乎二讀與相關提案並按協商,下議案。"},{"start":7344.383,"end":7368.697,"text":"第76案：本院委員外媒林等16人擬具公務人員訓練金修法第十條條文修正草案審選案：程序委員會建議請委員教育司法及法治委員會審查：宣讀完畢第77案：本院委員外媒林等16人擬具《國家運動和學生性設施條例部分條文修正草案》審選案：程序委員會建議請委員教育司法及法治教育及文化委員會審查：宣讀完畢"},{"start":7369.878,"end":7393.918,"text":"第78案：本院委員彎美玲等21人擬具《國家運動訓練專業設施條例修正草情水案》採訊委員會見：議情會交互司法及法治教育及文化委員會審查宣言完畢第79案：本院委員彎美玲等16人擬具《醫療法第106條條文修正草情水案》採訊委員會見：議情會交互社會福利及福祉環境委員會審查宣言完畢"},{"start":7395.279,"end":7420.509,"text":"第80案本院國民黨黨團擬具《內政部新住民發展署組施法草案請選案》採取委員會建議請委員教司法及法內政委員會審查宣傳併案第81案本院委員會高薪、素美等19人擬具《氣候變遷因應法》第33條條文修正草案請選案採取委員會建議請委員教社會福利及物質環境、經濟財政、內政、交通教育及文化委員會審查宣傳併案"},{"start":7423.01,"end":7436.025,"text":"第82案本院委員羅廷偉等19人擬具《環境影響評估法》第23條條文修正草案審選案採取委員會見、聯席委員會教育、社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣言完畢第83案本院委員羅廷偉等43人擬具"},{"start":7440.47,"end":7462.874,"text":"空氣污染防治法第27條、第28條及第30條條文修正草擬水案、財區文化委員會建立行會教育社會福利行政環境委員會審查、宣讀完畢委員通過下議案第84案本院委員羅廷偉等16人擬具大陸交通管理處罰條例第12條條文修正草擬水案財區文化委員會建立行會教育交通委員會審查、宣讀完畢委員通過下議案"},{"start":7463.174,"end":7487.172,"text":"第85案：本院委員陳敬輝等16人擬具《武統計劃法》第45條條文修正草案擬水案採取委員會見、理行委員及內政委員會審查宣傳並不予通過下議案第86案：本院委員邱志偉等25人擬具《台灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例》第9條之3條文修正草案擬水案採取委員會見、理行委員及內政委員會審查宣傳並不予通過下議案"},{"start":7487.512,"end":7510.37,"text":"第87案本院委員張雅琳等19人擬具《公民投票法》暫定第十七條至一條文草案進審案。全區委員會見理事會教育及文化委員會審查。宣傳完畢。第88案本院委員張雅琳等18人擬具《國民體育法第十條及第46條文修正草案進審案》、全區委員會見理事會教育及文化委員會審查。宣傳完畢。"},{"start":7511.471,"end":7521.174,"text":"第89案本院委員張雅琳等23人擬具 «學生輔導法部分條文修正草案擬水案 財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢第90案本院委員張雅琳等18人擬具《刑事訴訟法第205條之二、第205條之三及第205條之四條文修正草案擬水案財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢"},{"start":7538.419,"end":7559.598,"text":"第91案本院委員蔡啟昌等19人擬具《發展文化條例部分條文修正草情緒案》、《程序委員會見》、《立行會交交通委員會審查》宣布完畢第92案本院委員蔡啟昌等19人擬具《能源管理法部分條文修正草情緒案》、《程序委員會見》、《立行會交交經濟委員會審查》宣布完畢"},{"start":7560.819,"end":7582.296,"text":"第93案本院委員黃雅琳等20人擬具《臺灣地區大陸地區人民關係條例第21條條文修正草案》及水案採取委員會建議請委員教育及文化委員會審查宣言完畢第94案本院委員黃雅琳等19人擬具《學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》及水案採取委員會建議請委員教育及文化委員會審查宣言完畢"},{"start":7584.938,"end":7592.061,"text":"第95案本院委員網媒會等18人擬具《臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第21條條文修正草案審選案》,程序委員會見,理事會教育、內政委員會審查,訊息完畢。第96案本院委員網媒會等17人擬具《保險法則》第174條之二及第174條之三的《台灣草案審選案》,程序委員會見,理事會教育、財政委員會審查,訊息完畢。"},{"start":7611.109,"end":7630.844,"text":"第97案：本院委員王美惠等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案競選案：財政委員會審查、宣傳並：第98案：本院臺灣民眾黨黨團擬具:「勞工退休金條例部分條文修正草案競選案：財政委員會建立行為教育社會福利優勝環境委員會審查、宣傳並：第99案：本院臺灣民眾黨黨團擬具"},{"start":7636.628,"end":7657.035,"text":"內政部組施法第五條條文修正草案競選案財經委員會見、擬情會交司法及法律內政兩委員會審查宣言完畢議通過下議案第1版案行政委員會內政部消防署為捕捉地方消防人員因公傷亡為文件不符同時113年度中央政府總算第二日備金1億5336萬31元之一自檢証第二日備金同時數額金額別表財經委員會見、擬情會交財政內政兩委員會宣言完畢"},{"start":7664.938,"end":7667.981,"text":"無疑通過下議案無疑通過下議案無疑通過下議案無疑通過下議案"},{"start":7685.399,"end":7686.059,"text":"第103案：第104案：第104案："},{"start":7706.793,"end":7708.094,"text":"第105案：第106案：第106案："},{"start":7731.542,"end":7745.92,"text":"第10期案：基礎監督管理委員會函送《本院制定詐欺犯罪危害防治條例通過附帶主義》第7項則書面報告採訊委員會見：立行回交內政委員會宣傳完畢第10判案：國防部法務委修正：國軍頑固"},{"start":7747.722,"end":7765.388,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳"},{"start":7766.408,"end":7779.276,"text":"第11領案《經濟問題全部行為修正》、《商業團體分業標準增訂》、《來自商業團體業別及業務範圍》、《財經委員會屆例行為教育進行的轉良委員會》宣傳完畢第11領案《經濟問題分業標準增訂》、《財經委員會屆例行為教育進行的轉良委員會》宣傳完畢第11領案《經濟問題分業標準增訂》、《財經委員會屆例行為教育進行的轉良委員會》宣傳完畢第11領案"},{"start":7791.624,"end":7793.665,"text":"第1、1、2會議案﹚第11、3會議案﹚第11、3會議案﹚第11、4會議案﹚第11、5會議案﹚"},{"start":7811.395,"end":7833.625,"text":"第114案教育部還會修正高級重能學校進修部學生學習憑良辦法部分條文財經委員會見你請回交教育及文化委員會宣傳完畢會議通過下一案第115案教育部還會修正高級重能學校學生學習憑良辦法部分條文財經委員會見你請回交教育及文化委員會宣傳完畢會議通過下一案"},{"start":7833.945,"end":7834.766,"text":"第116案：第117案：第117案："},{"start":7857.759,"end":7883.051,"text":"第一、八、二國家通訊宣布委員會行為修正公眾電信網路基地台設置使用管理辦法部分條文及公眾電信網路基地台宣言基礎規範第四點、第五點規定全區委員會建立行會交通委員會宣布完畢第一、九、二社會發展部國家通訊宣布委員會行為廢止電波建立業務管理辦法全區委員會建立行會交通委員會宣布完畢"},{"start":7884.292,"end":7891.198,"text":"第1、2、3、4法院行政院行為修正、《碩年事件處理法》遂行細則第6條之一、第17條及第19條條文。財經委員會見臨行會教育司法及法治委員會。宣討完畢。第1、2、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、36、37、38、39、40、40、41、42、43、44、44、44、45、46、47、48、49、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、"},{"start":7907.773,"end":7923.605,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「"},{"start":7924.145,"end":7940.047,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳"},{"start":7940.347,"end":7958.257,"text":"委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「"},{"start":7958.937,"end":7986.866,"text":"第1、2、5案先行委員從《中華民國刑法》第185條之3、第1項、第3款、6項確認檢驗判定檢出毒品、品項及濃度值並自113年3月29日申訟柴修委員會見你請獲交司法企劃證明員會宣讀完畢第1、2、6案先行委員行為修正毒品之分解及品項部分分解及品項並自113年4月20日申訟柴修委員會見你請獲交司法企劃證明員會宣讀完畢"},{"start":7988.166,"end":8002.466,"text":"第1宗新案 前進院韓松路海空軍刑法第54條 第1項第3款 內容意義確認檢驗判定檢出毒品瓶箱及濃度值並自113年3月29日宣銷 程序委員會前立行會教室把企劃之外交給國防聯務委員會宣讀完畢"},{"start":8005.49,"end":8011.614,"text":"第128案擬具 «學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具《學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具《學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、"},{"start":8035.61,"end":8036.851,"text":"第1、3、0案第1、3、1案第1、3、1案第1、3、1案"},{"start":8057.446,"end":8069.693,"text":"委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「"},{"start":8077.659,"end":8085.488,"text":"第133案海洋委員會函送利用海洋設施從事輸送油或化學品質規模財訊委員會見例請回交內政委員會宣言完畢"},{"start":8090.441,"end":8111.459,"text":"第134案密核能安全委員會涵送經濟合作及發展組織核能署核電廠組件運作運轉經驗立法與老化研究計劃 協定英文影本及綜藝本全球委員會屆理事會教育及文化外交機構發展委員會宣布完畢"},{"start":8112.523,"end":8137.234,"text":"委員本案由臺灣民眾黨黨團提議改交審查本案交教育及文化、外交及國防兩委員會審查下議案第135案國家通訊籌募委員會航文修正、申請電信事業、登記注意事項、財修委員會見、聯繫國家通訊籌募委員會宣讀完畢無異通過下議案第136案國家通訊籌募委員會函送固定通信網路語音零售服務施程"},{"start":8137.794,"end":8155.279,"text":"固定通信網路寬頻零售服務市場及固定通信網路批發服務市場及市場協助定位者、自費管制裁價的調整上限制之主要自費項目調整系數數值及實施。年度期間,柴旭委員會見議請回交交通委員會。宣傳完畢。"},{"start":8156.099,"end":8179.178,"text":"委員董委員會本案臺灣民眾黨黨團提議改交審查本案交交通委員會審查下議案第13期案國交通訊手幕委員會航文修正廣播電視廣告播送方式與數量分配辦法第2條條文及未經廣播電視節目期期時間認定與廣告播送方式及數量分配辦法第3條條文採訪委員會見議請呼叫交通委員會宣布完畢"},{"start":8182.921,"end":8203.236,"text":"第13方案、數位發展部橫掃國家自動安全研究院人員安全懲懲毀辦法第六條條文看務表、財修委員會見、立行呼叫、交通委員會、宣讀完畢。第139案、數位發展部還會修正關鍵電信基礎設施指定及防護管理辦法、財修委員會見、立行呼叫、交通委員會、宣讀完畢。"},{"start":8204.557,"end":8220.212,"text":"第一次領案考試院行為修正特種考試地方政府公務人員考試規則第9條條文件第5條附表3柴旭委員會見林秀芳教育司法及法治委員會宣傳完畢第一次領案考試院行為修正公務人員特種考試專心專業人員考試規則"},{"start":8222.874,"end":8249.49,"text":"財修委員會籍擬型呼叫司法企劃支援委員會宣讀完畢無異通過下議案第142案考試院行為修正公務人員特種考試、民航人員考試規則財修委員會籍擬型呼叫司法企劃支援委員會宣讀完畢無異通過下議案第143案考試院行政院行為修正、交通事業人員、員企進生動員及自衛訓練班法第十一條條文財修委員會籍擬型呼叫司法企劃支援委員會宣讀完畢無異通過下議案"},{"start":8249.81,"end":8250.39,"text":"第14次會議：第一次委員：第一次委員："},{"start":8269.443,"end":8284.781,"text":"第1、4、6、2防部金融監督管理委員會書委發選部橫送期限防制法第15條第2、第6項政務正號暫停限制功能或僅有關閉管理辦法財政委員會屆立行或交司法及法制財政交通商務委員會宣布完畢"},{"start":8286.263,"end":8293.747,"text":"第14期暗﹑勞動部還未被准記本公司審議辦法﹑程序委員會建立新國家社會福利及文化環境委員會﹑宣讀完畢"},{"start":8305.342,"end":8321.012,"text":"貿易委員會本案由國民黨黨團提議改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查下一案第1492 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所以你們要修未來所有公職人員在他就職前的財產就職後都要申報那所以未來是不是立法委員我們也修啊為什麼只要針對公職人員立法委員在就任立委前在登記參選前的財產也來申報"},{"start":11647.315,"end":11648.316,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具"},{"start":11663.462,"end":11673.968,"text":"那你們現在要成立一個包山包海針對所有部會所展的財產申報的調查委員會國民黨你們有這麼大嗎你們這樣違憲的調查委員會包山包海獲權到了幾點好 謝謝"},{"start":11692.084,"end":11694.008,"text":"委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬具"},{"start":11706.377,"end":11717.284,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳"},{"start":11731.274,"end":11750.022,"text":"在教育委員會部分黨派的委員對於學輔法的支持所以今天也一定會完成審查至於我們現在所提出的經濟部長郭智輝部長他所做的有關於他的財產申報以及他的財產交易的問題因為根據我們高職人員財產申報法第七條"},{"start":11757.905,"end":11767.423,"text":"教務人員在就職申報之日起三個月應該包含他本人配偶未成年子女應該做強制信託"},{"start":11770.08,"end":11798.239,"text":"但是郭智輝部長卻迴避了這個相關的規定也就是在他就任之前他把他手上755萬4659股的重閱的股票移轉了一家公司的籌備處這家公司還沒有成立它叫做高益投資"},{"start":11799.574,"end":11809.259,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具 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«學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具"},{"start":12034.718,"end":12051.292,"text":"委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬具"},{"start":12062.264,"end":12070.689,"text":"我相信一個國會議員在國會上請問你的主席怎麼99.99%以前天地沒辦法監督的所在你整個壁上我們的信託的管理你讓我唸講你讓我去批評你讓我給國會議員的記憶"},{"start":12083.507,"end":12104.312,"text":"委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員林宜瑾等19人分別擬"},{"start":12108.831,"end":12110.253,"text":"現有國民黨黨團提議停止討論,請問會有無異議?"},{"start":12166.773,"end":12175.575,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具、「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具、「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具"},{"start":13269.316,"end":13281.226,"text":"國民黨團釋出善意撤回停止討論提議,並且副困境委員吳思堯委員表示不再發言,在截止登記之前發言。"},{"start":13300.222,"end":13320.654,"text":"首先我要慰問一下我們現在這個桌子剛剛民進黨委員把這個桌子已經敲得那個整個表層全部都敲壞了那是不是應該也要來這個公務賠償一下那接下來我要講我也不知道民進黨在生氣什麼民進黨剛剛的完全示範了更小燈燒去"},{"start":13322.571,"end":13339.791,"text":"我要告訴大家民進黨的標準有多低從剛剛民進黨在護航郭志輝有多生氣就可以看得到郭志輝先生在上任經濟部長前他把名下價值新台幣19億元的從業股份"},{"start":13343.166,"end":13369.837,"text":"轉讓給一個資本額只有8000萬而且還沒有設立的高益投資事業股份有限公司又很奇怪這個公司是他的兒子好巧啊剛剛好就是他兒子郭冠宏主導郭志輝本人擁有99.9%的股份我想請我們所有的全國的民眾來看看這是多麼奇怪的安排"},{"start":13371.331,"end":13390.987,"text":"如果今天郭志輝你就是一個郭董事長你就是一個郭策略長我沒有意見啊你為什麼要趕在上經濟部長前做這麼奇怪的動作你不就在逃避財產申報的義務嗎你到底是逃稅、漏稅還是結稅還是逃避財產申報的義務"},{"start":13395.745,"end":13424.795,"text":"民進黨前面跟我講說違法就抓可是我跟各位說身為一個首長只有違法就抓的這個這麼低的義務標準嗎你是經濟部長耶你經濟部長難道可以不顧觀戰嗎而且這中間的流程如果沒有被公開透明出來我們就可能無法探知這樣一個奇怪的移轉財產中間有沒有涉及不法"},{"start":13426.129,"end":13449.695,"text":"所以我也要告訴民進黨的朋友啊不要對桌子生氣好不好今天國民黨提出這個調查委員會是在幫賴清德總統把關啊你民進黨這邊出了多少人事的包我們幫你拆炸彈啊這麼奇怪的經濟部長在上任前做這麼奇怪的財產移轉安排"},{"start":13451.158,"end":13473.871,"text":"不該查嗎?金額如此龐大,不該查嗎?還是你要等到你們重用的像台研陳啟玉掏空11億以後,落跑之後,民進黨才開始說我要切割他?還是今天你要像我們最近勞動部發生這樣一個憾事之後,你才說事後切割呢?"},{"start":13474.691,"end":13476.574,"text":"所以請民進黨謝謝國民黨國民黨在幫你們端正貫征謝謝"},{"start":13507.614,"end":13521.601,"text":"首先我要先譴責國民黨剛剛提出這個停職討論這件事情這個已經在我身上不知道發生幾次了只要我要來這邊發言就會遇到停職討論說真的三分鐘對你們來講到底是有多傷"},{"start":13522.722,"end":13550.863,"text":"那麼簡單的一件事情如果剛剛在休息時間的時候大家都可以為了球員為了球賽好好的一起加油那為什麼不能為我們今天國家大事大家好好的來做討論這是有多麼困難的事情嗎今天要做調查檢察官可以做調查監察院可以做調查立法院也可以做調查法律本來就有讓立法院做調查"},{"start":13551.724,"end":13573.293,"text":"但立法院要做的調查是什麼叫做立法調查或者預算調查或者彈劾調查不是嗎立法院要調查按照這一次大法官的解釋要跟立法委員職權有關的事情做調查嘛立法委員最重要的不就是立法嗎所以為了立法做調查這才叫民政言順嘛"},{"start":13574.659,"end":13594.74,"text":"所以譬如說假設我要修反滲透法但我對於現在國會如何被滲透這件事情呢我不是很清楚所以我來針對去中國的立法委員來做調查這個才叫做立法調查但你們現在提出來的這一個還晚提出來的修正動議是寫什麼"},{"start":13596.135,"end":13623.501,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具是寫說依照公職人員財產申報法認為郭志輝有違反所以要調查那我就問只要因為有一個法律你認為有違反就要做調查現在社會上有沒有竊盜案件正在發生你要不要說刑法320條規定竊盜罪所以現在立法院要開始啟動大安區某個住宅被竊盜、被偷東西的調查案"},{"start":13624.764,"end":13648.602,"text":"怎麼可能會有這種事情但你們的理由就是這樣寫啊你怎麼可能會因為有一件事情的違反立法院就要啟動調查有殺人案件立法院要啟動調查有貪污案件立法院要啟動調查有強制性交案件立法院要啟動調查那什麼都當立法院就好啦國稅局可以廢啦監察院可以廢啦檢察官也可以廢啦"},{"start":13649.684,"end":13662.386,"text":"這不是就是原來你們在擴權做的事情嗎這一次到法官解釋在45條的部分明言再講了一次相關議案必須要跟立法委員職權有關的事情才叫做調查"},{"start":13663.803,"end":13692.576,"text":"最後我要再講一下按照剛剛王宏威委員、羅志強委員的發言還有一個很大的謬誤就是你們剛剛把案情講得如此的清楚就算這是一個調查案啊你不是調查完了嗎你連數字都那麼清楚啊你連錢給誰你都那麼清楚啊啊你調查完了啊你現在要成立這個調查委員會你到底要做什麼事情然後你還要延伸到每一個部會你的範圍都沒有限定這不是政治操作什麼是政治操作"},{"start":13698.16,"end":13704.816,"text":"謝謝沈博洋委員發言接下來請登記第8號 莊瑞雄委員發言"},{"start":13722.227,"end":13749.532,"text":"謝謝院長謝謝我們立法院的黨團可能現在中華隊跟美國隊僵局已經打開了我剛剛啊對我自己在這邊敲桌子啊我相信國民黨的委員你們應該很熟悉啊如果是你們啊可能你們的動作不只這樣子啊登記發文以後啊韓院長也一直跟你們講啊"},{"start":13751.305,"end":13751.866,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具"},{"start":13771.8,"end":13774.402,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具這本憲判誌"},{"start":13802.264,"end":13822.381,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳"},{"start":13827.455,"end":13846.151,"text":"立法院所行使調查權的範圍在什麼地方?憲法所規定可以的範圍非常的清楚啊你在行使你的職權的時候法律案、預算案這個全部都可以什麼一個經濟部長他到底的財產的一個遺產是不是涉及不法是立法院可以來調查的"},{"start":13847.608,"end":13847.929,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具"},{"start":13863.052,"end":13885.826,"text":"在113年憲判制9號第210段裡面就講得很清楚啊國會議員、立法委員行使調查權裡面你不得意願你憲法職權的一個範圍啊可預決的方向一定跟你的職權有重大關聯跟有調查的必要啊這個都超過射程的啦國會議長的朋友今天是非常的墮落啊"},{"start":13886.912,"end":13887.572,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具"},{"start":13921.343,"end":13945.935,"text":"委員范雲等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員范雲等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員范雲等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員范雲等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員范雲等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：本院教育及文化委員范雲等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案�"},{"start":13950.455,"end":13978.247,"text":"法務院會現有國民黨黨團提議禁覆二讀請問院會有無異議有異議我們要針對國民黨提議有異議我們要進行表決現在有民進黨黨團提議要求記名表決我們記名表決贊成國民黨提議禁覆二讀請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":13984.008,"end":13994.038,"text":"委員黃秀芳等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案﹑委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案﹑委員黃秀芳等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案﹑委員黃秀芳等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案﹑委員黃秀芳等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案﹑委員黃秀芳等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案﹑委員黃秀芳等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案﹑"},{"start":14454.178,"end":14462.541,"text":"好報告院會我們現在案例時間7分鐘已到現在每位委員都有拿到表決卡針對國民黨黨團提議現有民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決贊成國民黨團提議請按贊成反對請按反對時間1分鐘現在開始"},{"start":14548.681,"end":14561.188,"text":"報告表決結果出席100位贊成55位反對45位贊成者多數報告委員會現有民進黨黨團體重複表決我們現在進行重複表決時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":14639.554,"end":14656.302,"text":"法院會報告重複表決結果出席100位贊成55位反對45位贊成者多數國民黨黨團提議照案通過本案進覆二讀依據立法院職權行事法第74條之一規定"},{"start":14657.302,"end":14681.772,"text":"交付黨團協商另有國民黨黨團提出修正動議我們現在做以下決議本案及修正動議並同交付黨團協商並由國民黨黨團負責召集協商報議會重大跟各位做一個重大報告而後院會如果休息之後再進行表決我們一律按鈴7分鐘"},{"start":14684.875,"end":14685.397,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具"},{"start":14695.564,"end":14718.336,"text":"報告院會現在我們進行討論事項第二案本院台灣民眾黨黨團建起院會決議成立國家發展基金不當投資及管理私職調查委員會議案本案經第二會期第九次會議決議協商後再行處理報告院會本案因協商已超過一個月無法達成共識"},{"start":14719.517,"end":14738.847,"text":"一例法院執行刑事法第七十一條之一規定我們由院會定期處理因此與本次會議提出討論現在進行廣泛討論首先我們請沈伯陽委員發言三分鐘並截止登記發言請沈伯陽委員發言"},{"start":14757.082,"end":14759.366,"text":"在這一個剛剛前面講的事情我就不贅述"},{"start":14764.81,"end":14787.115,"text":"但是國發基金這件事情的問題出在哪裡本來的第一版的提案一樣就像我剛剛講的沒有扣合任何的法律案跟預算案當然跟彈劾也沒有關係所以後來在這一次修正的時候可以看到民眾黨說他是為了因應產業創新條例這個修法而需要做的調查"},{"start":14788.359,"end":14798.063,"text":"但問題來了產業創新條例按照民眾黨修法提出來的版本它是禁止比如說投資在中國有生產活動的"},{"start":14799.83,"end":14821.578,"text":"如果今天你已經做了這個決定比如說你認為不能夠投資中資的你不能夠投資在中國有生產活動的假設又認為說你不能夠去這個投資任何可能跟東突厥斯坦這個棉花有關的這個都可以但既然已經做了這個決定那請問調查的意義在哪裡"},{"start":14822.816,"end":14842.936,"text":"如果說我今天調查不管是裡面寫的聯合再生還是其他的個案你調查完之後結果產業創新條例的那一個說禁止在中國生產活動的投資這個條文就要刪掉嗎?或他的條文內容就要做修正嗎?你對中國的疑慮就會因為這樣消除嗎?都完全不會啊!"},{"start":14844.11,"end":14863.596,"text":"那請問這一件事情這個調查跟你宣稱要做的修法的關聯性在哪裡都不要講到比例原則的問題喔連關聯性都不具備的話它自始自終就不應該成為一個調查案因為它不影響到你的修法嘛"},{"start":14864.81,"end":14877.63,"text":"我可不可以講說我現在規定這個殺人者是幾年的有期徒刑然後我開始調查全台灣有關的殺人案沒有任何意義啊因為我調查完之後我還是認為殺人是犯罪啊"},{"start":14879.923,"end":14897.653,"text":"就算這是一個有關聯性的,立法委員如果針對的事實有所疑慮,有質詢的方式,也有開公聽會的方式。在這個質詢跟公聽會的方式可以解決的問題,為什麼需要到調查委員會?"},{"start":14898.934,"end":14917.731,"text":"更不要講說上一次在黨團協商發言的時候按照黃國昌委員講的連連看還有他的內容他也都對案情非常熟悉啊那調查的意義又到底在哪裡最後更不要講說按照現在聽證程序被大法官宣告違憲之後"},{"start":14918.792,"end":14937.626,"text":"他的違憲的條文已經會造成現在條文本身產生割裂有些有其中報告有些沒有其中報告有些有告知義務有些沒有告知義務這個條文現在是矛盾的嘛我那天在黨團協商已經講過了應該把立法院職權行事法相對應修正再繼續討論韓國瑜院長還頻頻點頭沒有想到就這樣過水就這樣結束"},{"start":14955.157,"end":14956.037,"text":"主席、同仁"},{"start":14981.564,"end":15001.001,"text":"首先我要抗議剛剛院長在已經表決的計數開始計算了然後他又把他拉回去說還要再按鈴7分鐘我們上午才開了兩個半小時的會竟然就按了三次的7分鐘這到底是為什麼"},{"start":15002.13,"end":15013.423,"text":"就是為了主席要等國民黨的人數湊不齊等到他們的人數齊了再用表決的優勢來碾壓來過關就為了這樣那院長這樣你的意識中立還在嗎"},{"start":15020.54,"end":15033.446,"text":"好回到了我們本案我們在討論本案民眾黨要成立國發基金不當投資及管理失職的調查委員會事實上我在協商的時候我跟民眾黨"},{"start":15035.051,"end":15061.661,"text":"我不斷地在說你們要國發基金投資不當調查委員會但是欸並不是叫做國發基金欸投資的公司虧損就代表是不當投資就代表有弊案縱使是這一個投資的公司賺錢也不能代表這中間沒有什麼問題存在所以這兩件事情過不起來所以你們必須要特定好"},{"start":15062.601,"end":15083.921,"text":"你們民眾黨到底要調查哪一項?要調查什麼範圍?什麼事件?而且你調查的目的,要跟憲法賦予立法院的職權,要有重大關聯。好,如果你們要調查,不管你要聯合再生,你要調查東北,你要調查其他像盧興公司,就講清楚。"},{"start":15085.083,"end":15103.631,"text":"委員林宜瑾等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等18人擬具:「"},{"start":15105.512,"end":15106.914,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具"},{"start":15121.474,"end":15149.594,"text":"那這也是大法官解釋裡面限述之第9號調查的範圍要具體明確而且這個調查的範圍必須在我們這個議場的議決中來討論結果你們今天終於拿出你們的調查範圍這個調查範圍勒一樣是包山包海一樣是每一個投資案你們民眾黨就想把手伸進去去參與調查"},{"start":15151.155,"end":15159.981,"text":"我現在不禁懷疑民眾黨你是不是要用這個調查委員會來影響上市會公司的股價你們是不是在協助炒股"},{"start":15187.677,"end":15211.841,"text":"主席、在場的委員請借我三分鐘我們來看一下民眾黨的提案這是一開始在7月12號印出來的民眾黨的提案它要根據立法院職員新司法59條之一舉行聽證會這是在113宪判9之前宣告我們立執法有部分違憲之前它所提出來的"},{"start":15212.56,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請那一樣三分鐘三分鐘啊"},{"start":16854.352,"end":16877.985,"text":"院長在我發言的時候我要先要求院長要來選擇王宏威啊在我發言的時間裡面在我發言的時間裡面他在拿著牌子阻撓我的發言連最基本的意識程序都不顧啊院長院長你不能閉眼啊你要來做處理啊你要做處理啊那為什麼我講話的時候他可以這樣子勒今天"},{"start":16882.881,"end":16908.309,"text":"委員王宏威等18人擬具、「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員王宏威等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員王宏威等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員王宏威等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員王宏威等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員王宏威等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員王宏威等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員王宏威"},{"start":16910.33,"end":16918.93,"text":"調查委員會要來調查郭志輝民政黨成立調查委員會要來調查國家發展基金"},{"start":16920.342,"end":16943.883,"text":"你們要成立這個委員會難道你們都不重視學生輔導法嗎難道你們都不重視年輕人嗎國民黨難道不重視學生嗎難怪我一拿出這個法條就是說如果我們今天的第一個案子就來審學生輔導法我跟各位報告跟各位年輕的朋友報告學生輔導法現在就已經二讀通過了"},{"start":16944.804,"end":16958.714,"text":"但是沒有啊!為什麼沒有?因為國民黨在亂!因為民眾黨在亂!他們只搞鬥爭!不重視民生!不重視學生!所以當我一拿出這個為什麼不審學生輔導法的時候,網紅會就亂了啊!作賊心虛嘛!國民黨就亂了啊!"},{"start":16966.52,"end":16981.133,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳"},{"start":16989.12,"end":17012.593,"text":"現在還有挽回的方法就是拜託民眾黨拜託民眾黨你們把這個案子撤回去要求民眾黨把你們這個案子把它撤回去那我們就可以好好的來討論學生輔導法了拜託一下國民黨跟民眾黨好好的重視學生好好的重視學生輔導法"},{"start":17013.593,"end":17026.081,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、"},{"start":17043.058,"end":17046.88,"text":"謝謝李昆城委員的發言接下來請登記第7號陳樹越委員發言"},{"start":17068.337,"end":17083.044,"text":"委員張雅琳等19人分別擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員張雅琳等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員張雅琳等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員張雅琳等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員張雅琳等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員張雅琳等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、"},{"start":17088.966,"end":17097.311,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案、委員林宜瑾等18人擬具:「"},{"start":17112.04,"end":17114.744,"text":"委員郭志輝等19人擬具《調查委員會》等19人擬具《調查委員會》等19人擬具《調查委員會》等19人擬具《調查委員會》等19人擬具《調查委員會》等19人擬具《調查委員會》等19人擬具"},{"start":17132.004,"end":17148.423,"text":"委員蔡英文總統執政的這8年的獲益是比馬英九時期的獲益是多了3.5倍的所以你們認為若有弊案的話那你們是不是要優先針對馬英九時期的國發基金的投資的情形去做調查呢"},{"start":17149.764,"end":17163.371,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳"},{"start":17178.819,"end":17199.297,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳"},{"start":17200.938,"end":17206.879,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具 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謝謝郭育群委員的發言跟院會報告"},{"start":17691.892,"end":17702.579,"text":"我們已經為委員訂購了便當1點40分會送達到各位委員手中接下來請登記第10號張雅琳委員請發言"},{"start":17727.472,"end":17747.003,"text":"主席、各位立法院的同事們今天早上我們原本要審的法案民進黨一大早就來的第一案就是要來審學生輔導法每一個孩子都是家長的心頭肉"},{"start":17748.424,"end":17765.206,"text":"大家也都知道青少年的自殺率節節上升每一個委員在各個質詢上面不管是在未還委員會或是教育委員會裡面都在關注這個議題但是我覺得國民黨的關心是假的"},{"start":17766.067,"end":17779.375,"text":"委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員黃秀芳"},{"start":17786.598,"end":17806.688,"text":"委員王洪威等19人擬具、「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員王洪威等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員王洪威等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員王洪威等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員王洪威等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員王洪威等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員王洪威等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案》、委員王洪威"},{"start":17809.177,"end":17833.89,"text":"在整個審查的過程之中民進黨的委員幾乎全程參與我想柯之恩、昭偉非常清楚不但都有提出各自的法案全程參與、全程發言積極地來為學生爭取積極地希望這件事情可以盡快地去落實三讀之後造福到我們現場的老師們、學生們以及支持我們的家長們"},{"start":17836.547,"end":17864.288,"text":"但是很不幸現在就是已經進入了這一種政治草組織下讓我們的學生輔導法排到最後我希望所有看直播的觀眾都要知道所有看直播的家長們也都要知道或者是說也希望所有看直播的觀眾們把這今天是誰變更議程的這個檔案錄影全部傳到所有的家長群組"},{"start":17865.449,"end":17883.738,"text":"讓所有的家長知道是今天捨不過我們的學生、捨不過我們的孩子孩子再說一次都是我們的心頭肉不應該變成大家為了政治利益操作的人血饅頭政治只有夠不要臉不要臉不要臉黃國昌還在笑不要臉"},{"start":17888.442,"end":17908.493,"text":"委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案﹑委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案﹑委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案﹑委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案﹑委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案﹑委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案﹑委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案﹑"},{"start":17917.844,"end":17942.976,"text":"好 謝謝張雅琳委員的發言接下來請登記第11號黃國昌委員請發言好 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