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北院國民黨黨團建請"},{"start":5370.691,"end":5370.817,"text":"谢谢大家"},{"start":5371.72,"end":5397.998,"text":"14.本院國民黨黨團建請院會作成決議由於錯誤的再生能源政策對賴政府提出嚴厲譴責請供決案15.本院國民黨黨團建請院會作成決議本院針對再生能源相關弊案成立調查委員會請供決案16.本院國民黨黨團建請院會作成決議成立國人通訊自由及隱私招非法監控調查委員會請供決案17.本院國民黨黨團建請院會作成決議國人通訊自由及個人隱私毫無保障對賴政府提出嚴厲譴責請供決案18.運動部組織法草案"},{"start":5402.52,"end":5426.605,"text":"19.運動部全面運動署組織法草案20.國家運動產業發展中心設置條例草案21.國家運動訓練中心設置條例修正草案22.國家運動科學中心設置條例修正草案23.教育部組織法修正草案24.動物保護法修正草案25.外衣間條例修正草案26.財團法人環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人114年度預算書案"},{"start":5430.387,"end":5438.56,"text":"27.113年度中央政府總預算追加預算案28.中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第五期特別預算案29.菸酒稅法修正草案"},{"start":5440.313,"end":5464.03,"text":"30土地稅法修正草案31使用牌照稅法修正草案32財團法人法律輔助基金會114年度預算書案33國家運動訓練中心114年度預算書案34國家運動科學中心114年度預算書案35國家原子能科技研究院114年度預算書案36國家災害防救科技中心114年度預算書案37國家太空中心114年度預算書案38財團法人災害"},{"start":5466.232,"end":5489.834,"text":"職業災害預防及重建中心114年度預算數案三十九 中華民國臺灣政府與聖露西亞政府行事司法互助條約案四十 駐德國臺北代表處與德國在台協會行事司法互助協議案四十一 中華民國臺灣政府與圖瓦魯國政府行事司法互助條約案四十二 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旅行業觀光遊樂業或民宿經營者有墊入國家榮譽損害國家利益妨害善良風俗或詐騙旅客行為者儲新台幣三萬元以上三十萬元下罰款"},{"start":2003.406,"end":2031.82,"text":"請接送到者儲新台幣30萬元以上150萬元下罰款並定期停止其營業之一部或全部或廢止其營業執照或登記證經受停止營業一部或全部之處分仍繼續營業者儲新台幣50萬元以上200萬元下罰款廢止其營業執照或登記證並得按次處罰之觀光旅館業旅館業旅行業觀光遊樂業之受護人員有第一項行為者"},{"start":2032.76,"end":2035.281,"text":"請各黨團推派一致代表發言首先請林國成委員發言陳樹越委員請準備"},{"start":2067.015,"end":2087.308,"text":"各位我們所有全國的好朋友還有我們宴會裡面的同仁大家早我想觀光條例第53條它主要適用的是觀光旅館業以及旅遊業民宿業但是53條這裡主要的一個條文"},{"start":2093.192,"end":2108.192,"text":"是因為玷污國家榮譽以及損害國家利益這兩點是真的在執法上確實有所他的空洞"},{"start":2109.233,"end":2126.978,"text":"但至於我們本宴同仁提高華者的部分說實在如果把它直華明確化基本上提高多高我認為都是應該的所以我沒有反對"},{"start":2128.118,"end":2153.118,"text":"把所有的法則提高但是我只有拜託要執法這些玷汙國家榮譽以及損害國家利益這個比較大籠統的東西一定要把它釐清楚在執法當中才不會有太空洞變成自由新政"},{"start":2153.999,"end":2179.736,"text":"高雄市執法可以台北市不可以台中可以台南又不可以所以會變成這個認知在公務人員的執行方面在這個部分的認知是有差距的所以我要建議我們交通部在這個法的當中我們在委員會談得非常清楚沒有人反對來"},{"start":2184.146,"end":2209.521,"text":"來這個對國家容易省失我們不會去支持但是定華要明確不能自由新政地方政府去執行這個是對於53條這個部分我們特別去注意所以我舉例很簡單有人認為中華民國是現在有人是中華民國台灣有人認為我就是台灣有人認為"},{"start":2211.24,"end":2228.742,"text":"我是台灣國那這些我們當然都要尊重但是在認知國家的方面在這個部分是不是交通部執行主管這個單位要把它訂定清楚不要讓老百姓有所疑慮那我還是支持"},{"start":2230.003,"end":2247.937,"text":"華則重那當然執法明確那當然這個華我們要去支持他還有一點觀光現在已經度小夜觀光困難重重的生存困難重重當中我拜託政府在這個部分不是用華則而要有明確的執法"},{"start":2254.358,"end":2260.367,"text":"謝謝林國成委員的發言接下來請陳樹越委員請發言黃建豪委員請準備"},{"start":2278.4,"end":2299.194,"text":"謝謝院長還有各位我們所有的委員大家早安今天我們現在在討論發展觀光條例第53條第53條條文主要就是針對觀光旅館業還有旅行業觀光旅遊業等等就是針對有電入國家榮譽損害國家利益妨礙善良風俗或詐騙行為者相關的一個罰則"},{"start":2302.457,"end":2310.922,"text":"這個條文在委員會的時候我們也有做了充分的一個討論當然大家都就誠如剛剛林國成委員就是針對這個損害國家榮譽還有損害國家利益這個部分大家有一些討論不過這個條文其實已經行之有年了那我想這個也不會說有空洞的一個問題因為所有的國家就是一個最高的一個原則那其實在這幾年我們"},{"start":2330.314,"end":2354.441,"text":"針對這個法則所處分的其實就是針對真的有損害到國家榮譽的部分比如說這個我們也知道旅行業就是接待國外的旅客來台旅遊或者是說帶團到國外去那如果說我們旅行業在國外把這個旅客丟包了損害了這個旅客的利益也是也損害了這個國家的一個利益所以這個部分"},{"start":2355.081,"end":2359.863,"text":"我們就是必須要有這個法則讓我們的主管機關能夠來處以一些行政處分包括就是說我們的旅行社在國境的大廳比如說桃園國際機場接待旅客旅行團的時候如果說在國境大廳發生了嚴重的衝突這個也是所害國家的一個利益跟形象這個也是必須要授權行政機關"},{"start":2382.013,"end":2394.638,"text":"有這個處分的一個依據還有包括旅行社如果私下協助這個會對的話破壞了金融秩序這個就是損害到國家的利益等等所以這個部分我們還是主張就是說這個條文還是要維持那我們也很高興看到後來我們這個國民黨的條文的部分也是維持現行這個條文不過在這個法則的部分我們是主張要提高這個法則因為這個部分"},{"start":2410.185,"end":2413.908,"text":"我們也希望就是說透過這個法則的一個提高確實的規範這個旅行業還有觀光旅館業能夠克遵這樣子的一個條文以這個國家的最高利益為原則然後我們要實時的思考到這整個國家的一個榮譽那所以我們在這個法則的部分"},{"start":2430.319,"end":2441.467,"text":"就是有違反相關的就是善良風俗或詐騙旅客行為的我們希望最高罰則提高到30萬那有情節重大的我們就是要提高罰款到150萬以下的這樣子的罰款那我們也希望就是說這樣子的一個罰則的提高能夠得到各位委員的一個支持我們也希望就是說透過這樣子的一個修訂對於相關的一個旅館業有一個更具體的一個約束"},{"start":2460.459,"end":2474.259,"text":"不管是未來的一個國際旅遊或者是謝謝陳書業委員的發言接下來我們請黃建豪委員請發言"},{"start":2482.537,"end":2500.58,"text":"好 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這三件我們"},{"start":2570.373,"end":2586.321,"text":"我們理性的我們冷靜的想想這三件道理跟電入國家榮譽損害國家利益有沒有直接關係因為我講真的你用電入國家榮譽損害國家利益來懲罰來行政處分我想應該是個很嚴重的事情才對那如果他真的損害國家利益電入國家榮譽你只罰區區150萬我想也不足夠啦"},{"start":2589.242,"end":2604.069,"text":"所以如果在真正能夠請觀光署提供明確的樣態的時候我想要提高罰則我個人不會反對我想黨團也不會反對但問題就是從黨團協商提出這個需求到目前為止觀光署他還是沒有明確定義到底"},{"start":2604.469,"end":2623.366,"text":"什麼叫做電入國家容率到底是什麼叫損害國家利益所以在這個罰則上面我們主張還是維持所謂的現行條文在他釐清定義之前我想這個法令不宜有這個大幅的更動尤其這是行政授權行政機關去裁罰旅行業業者那我想旅行業也反映過用這一條來罰他們"},{"start":2625.768,"end":2642.342,"text":"基本上很難抗辯因為他不知道我要怎麼樣用什麼樣的主體來講說我沒有損害國家利益我沒有電入國家榮譽過去的幾次的三個罰則裡面大家也聽到我剛舉的三個例子這三個例子不管是用消保法也好金融法規也好或當初的疫情的特別條例也好"},{"start":2642.682,"end":2662.687,"text":"他都有本來就主管機關跟相關條例可以處分而不是一定要用到這個法令來處理所以在這個條文上面我們主張當然這個文字上面我們還是可以保留但是在罰則上我想還是依現行條文待這個觀光署提出明確的定義之後我們再來進行後續討論是不是要提高罰則以上 敬請大院支持 謝謝"},{"start":2665.449,"end":2672.684,"text":"謝謝黃建豪委員的發言報告委員會我們現在進行處理我們開始分發表決卡按鈴7分鐘現在開始"},{"start":2743.642,"end":2744.424,"text":"十一百三十五"},{"start":2881.85,"end":2881.89,"text":"這個地方"},{"start":2976.594,"end":2986.582,"text":"這裏是一間餐廳"},{"start":3027.588,"end":3028.131,"text":"走啊"},{"start":3119.176,"end":3143.613,"text":"好 謝謝現在我們要開始進行處理在處理之前要跟各位委員報告一下週五好幾位委員同仁反映說不想再吃便當了我們今天中午準備台南府城的肉粽加排骨湯但是如果想吃便當麻煩您跟我們議事人員說明一下我們還是會幫您訂便當如果不講我們就通通發肉粽跟排骨湯好 謝謝現在我們依序進行表決"},{"start":3145.814,"end":3170.332,"text":"如果其中有任何一案通過我們就不再處理其他案現在我們首先表決國民黨黨團再修正動議維持現行條文現有民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決贊成國民黨黨團所提請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":3242.415,"end":3244.698,"text":"我們現在請宣讀第54條條文"},{"start":3262.813,"end":3291.403,"text":"第54條,觀光旅館業、旅館業、旅行業、觀光遊樂業或民宿經營者,經主管機關議定三十七條第一項檢查結果有不合規定者,除依相關法令辦理外,並令限期改善,藉其人為改善者,除新台幣三萬元以上三十萬元下罰款,請結訟到者,並得定期停止其營業之一部或全部,經受停止營業處分人繼續營業者,廢止其營業執照或登記證。"},{"start":3292.764,"end":3303.162,"text":"經依第37條第一項規定檢查結果有不合規定或有危害旅客安全之餘者在未完全改善前得暫停其順便或一步"},{"start":3304.697,"end":3305.918,"text":"請問院會本條照審查會條文通過有無異議"},{"start":3334.09,"end":3341.709,"text":"第54條照審查會條文,沒有異議我們照審查會條文通過請宣讀第55條條文"},{"start":3343.359,"end":3366.401,"text":"第55條 有下列請行之一者 儲新台幣3萬元以上 15萬元下罰款請前重道者得費準行業承受 以觀光旅館業違反第22條規定 經營核准登記範圍外業務二 旅行業違反第27條規定 經營核准登記範圍外業務 有下列請行之一者 儲新台幣1萬元以上 5萬元下罰款"},{"start":3367.763,"end":3383.9,"text":"1.旅行业违反第29条第一项规定,未与旅客订定书面契约2.观光旅馆业、旅馆业、旅行业、观光游乐业或民宿经营者违反第42条规定,暂停业或暂停经营,未报警被传或停业期间"},{"start":3384.861,"end":3406.276,"text":"借门为申报副业观光旅馆业、旅行业、观光游乐业或民宿经营者为反依本条例所发布之命令是情节其中主管金管得令限期改善或除薪台币1万元上5万元下发款为依本条例领取营业执照或登记证而经营观光旅馆业务"},{"start":3408.057,"end":3435.292,"text":"旅行業務或觀光遊樂業務者除新台幣10萬元以上200萬元下罰還並勒令歇業未依本條例領取單季賺額經營民宿者除新台幣10萬元以上100萬元下罰還並勒令歇業觀光旅館業旅館業及民宿經營者算自擴大營業客房部分者其擴大部分觀光旅館業及旅館業除新台幣5萬元以上25萬元下罰還"},{"start":3436.372,"end":3452.217,"text":"民宿经营者除息台币3万元以上15万元向发还扩大部分并勒令歇业经营观光旅馆业务旅馆业务及民宿者依前三项规定经勒令歇业仍继续经营者得按次处罚"},{"start":3452.777,"end":3481.112,"text":"主管機關並得移送相關主管機關採取停止供水供電封閉強勢拆除或其他必要可立即結束經營之措施且其費用由該違反本條例之經營者負擔違反其無相規定請前重大者主管機關應公佈其名稱地址負責人或經營者姓名及違規事項宣讀完畢請問議員會本條照審查會條文通過有無異議"},{"start":3483.322,"end":3484.845,"text":"沒有異議我們第55條照審查會條文通過請宣讀第55條之1條文"},{"start":3492.045,"end":3518.452,"text":"第55條之一 未依本條例規定領取觀光旅館業、旅行業、觀光遊樂業營業職責或旅館業民宿登記證以廣告物、出版品、廣播電視、電子訊號、電腦網路或其他媒體等散布、播送或刊登營業證訊息者付新台幣十萬元上一百五十萬元下罰款命名限期一出 近期不履行者得按次處罰 宣討完畢"},{"start":3520.137,"end":3539.193,"text":"求院會本條照審查會條文通過有異議有異議沒有異議我們第55條之一照審查會條文通過請宣讀增訂第55條之三條文第55條之三不予增訂宣讀完畢求院會對審查會意見通過有異議"},{"start":3548.885,"end":3555.777,"text":"沒有異議我們第55條之3照審查會意見通過不予增訂請宣讀第57條條文"},{"start":3558.854,"end":3588.1,"text":"第五十七条旅行业卫议第三十一条规定办理旅约保证保险或承认保险除新台币三万元以上五十万元以下罚款中央主管机关得立即停止其办理旅客之出国及国内旅游业务并限于三个月内办妥投保于其未办妥者得废止其旅行业执照违反前项停止办理旅客之出国及国内旅游业务之处犯者中央主管机关得废止其旅行业执照"},{"start":3589.08,"end":3608.487,"text":"觀光旅館業 旅館業 觀光遊樂業及民宿經營者 為依第31條規定辦理責任保險者除新台幣3萬元以上50萬元下發款主管機關並應令限期辦妥投保 即其為辦妥者得費準期營業執照或登記券宣讀完畢請願會本條照審查會條文通過有無異議"},{"start":3614.534,"end":3624.976,"text":"沒有異議我們第57條照審查會條文通過請宣讀第60條審查會意見第60條不予修正維持現行條文宣讀完畢請問議員會本條照審查會意見通過有異議沒有異議我們第60條照審查會意見通過維持現行條文不予修正報告議員會"},{"start":3643.26,"end":3655.735,"text":"依黨團共事第七十條之二請宣讀院會所收再修正動議其餘條文均列入公報記錄請宣讀第七十條之二"},{"start":3656.787,"end":3684.082,"text":"國民黨黨團在修正動議第70條之二於本條例中華民國104年1月22日修正施行前非以營利為目的且供特定對象住宿之場所而有營利之事實者因此本條例修正施行之日起10年再轉延5年至119年1月21日向地方主管機關申請旅館業登記領取登記證及專用標示使得繼續營業"},{"start":3686.043,"end":3689.186,"text":"現在我們請各黨團推敗代表發言首先請李坤成委員發言游皓委員請準備"},{"start":3711.729,"end":3739.747,"text":"謝謝主席現在我們在討論的是這個第七十條之二要針對這個特定對象的住宿場所在展延五年申請旅館業的登記的期限那跟各位報告這個其實我們已經延長十年囉我們從2015年那時候開始就說我們給你十年的時間讓你們做調整讓你們做轉型但是十年的時間已經到了現在國民黨跟民眾黨說再給我們五年"},{"start":3740.467,"end":3755.664,"text":"那請問一下十年的時間如果沒辦法轉型的話再給五年可以做轉型嗎答案是不行的為什麼因為這些特定的對象其實就是為救國團梁山定做大開後門"},{"start":3757.546,"end":3782.496,"text":"我看上次很多這個立法委員我們的同事們在討論這一題的時候都在講說救國團是當初很多人的回憶有很多人的記憶因為他很平價很廉價但是我們在立法院我們要討論是不是合法的問題不是在討論情感的問題討論回憶的問題那請問一下這十年來為什麼轉型不能過"},{"start":3783.912,"end":3807.358,"text":"為什麼不能過?因為他的第一幕就是不能過啊第一幕就是不是合法的啊很多你就是在山區很多你就是在保存區裡面你其實你就沒辦法過嘛所以再給五年你們只是做個交代說我有幫你們爭取了那五年之內你們趕快轉型嗎?時間上是不行轉型的嘛已經給你們十年的時間了而且根據資料"},{"start":3808.718,"end":3837.267,"text":"本來有118家的會館現在大家陸續了做轉型了有一些他們就放棄了現在只剩下20幾家剩下20幾家沒有辦法在期限之內完成現在整個延長5年只是為了這20幾家大開後門量身訂做尤其是針對救國團所以我是希望說大家要想一想"},{"start":3838.207,"end":3866.545,"text":"這些你們這些決議等一下如果表決通過了再延長五年對這些合法的這個旅館業者情何以堪這些合法的旅館業者就說我們一切都按照政府的規定來做那為什麼這些不符合規定的這些業者這些救國團可以再延長五年他們做的東西做的生意都跟我們一樣啊都跟旅館業者都是一樣的但是為什麼他們不合法"},{"start":3867.145,"end":3895.112,"text":"你們立法院要讓他再延長五年再來做這對於合法的旅館業者來講根本是不公平的事情所以本席希望說等一下表決的時候大家能夠站在法律上面在法的精神合法精神來做這件事情不是從回憶啊高中時期的回憶來處理這件事情否則對合法的旅館業者來講是非常非常的不公平的"},{"start":3897.812,"end":3902.732,"text":"謝謝李昆成委員的發言接下來請游昊委員發言林國成委員請準備"},{"start":3911.834,"end":3930.437,"text":"本期在這裡還是要再次強調在發展觀念條例七條之後他在做的是一個合理的一個展言那在過去來講我們看得到從民進黨這八年還到這第九年不斷的在追殺救國團"},{"start":3932.398,"end":3949.309,"text":"從過去的黨產條例到現在的發展公共條例不斷的無窮性的追殺幾乎到關閉民反的一個程度今天來講合理的展現那是在疫情期間我們看到救國團還有包括許多的單位投入防疫"},{"start":3950.029,"end":3972.569,"text":"那時候在疫情期間作為防疫還作為協助救災的一個自由身在防疫之後就是要選擇把它當掉這完全就不合理所以說今天我們希望說看到了這個為了要消滅救火團的一個提案甚至要把國軍醫療館教師會館勞工醫學中心通通都消滅掉今天來講"},{"start":3973.65,"end":4002.804,"text":"五年的期間是讓大家能夠依法持續做申請這五年的期間也是對於他們防疫期間對於社會付出的一個回饋讓他們能夠有充裕的時間繼續依法來做申請所以在這裡不僅要幫救國團講話也要幫許多的單位一起講話今天給他們的展言其實過去在許多公安署參加的會議上其實曾經也都提到其實要讓他們有能夠合法申請的一個機會坦白講"},{"start":4003.544,"end":4014.821,"text":"今天為了一個救火團消滅那麼多的單位在剛才有提到的是許多人的回憶其包括也是許多民進黨委員過去的回憶過去有擔任過服務員過去有擔任過團友會團委會的會長"},{"start":4019.287,"end":4040.496,"text":"相信大家那時候對救火團絕對認同等一下的投票也希望說如果對於過去救火團有認同有參與的民進黨的委員們沒關係那個時間去洗手間不一定要投下反對票那也是對於救火團過去對於社會努力社會付出的一種支持再次回歸要講"},{"start":4042.057,"end":4057.912,"text":"70條之二的一個展延那是為了要讓他們在防疫期間他們因為投入救災而到最後給他們的一個緩衝期那相信未來來講依法申請可以過地木類都需要時間給他們一點寬限期而讓他們依法的申請"},{"start":4058.613,"end":4076.454,"text":"在發展國內觀光的一個過程中不是去搶救國團的青年搶教師會館的教師搶勞工越多型勞工們的住宿叫做發展觀光經費應該是要發揮在為我們國家整體的一個觀光有更多的外來客更多的國際旅客進來"},{"start":4077.455,"end":4102.004,"text":"所以今天這一條70條之二希望大家不管是國民黨民眾黨都支持也希望民進黨如果有包袱等一下去洗手間默默的支持救火團默默的支持這許多過去為我們國家付出的特定的可以住宿的業者來幫大家完成 謝謝謝謝游浩委員的發言接下來我們請林國成委員請發言"},{"start":4114.468,"end":4137.496,"text":"大家以為70條之二就是救國團的專華我要告訴各位這裡面不是只有救國團因為這個華是大家適用所以我就感覺到很奇怪"},{"start":4138.717,"end":4162.435,"text":"沒錯舊國團現在我們政府認為它是黨產但是我個人的看法它根本就是國家的那現在認定黨產那當然他們以後有以後自己的看法但是我要跟本會所有同仁這個法是觀光條例70條之二並非舊國團專法"},{"start":4166.218,"end":4194.477,"text":"所以大家都要把它醜化這個對人家是不公平的立法院本來就是公正無私對就是對不對就是不對所以我是覺得啊當然救國團是其中之一可是我們大家要看一看現在相克大樓教師會館警官會館國家國軍英雄館這等等這些都是範圍之內啊"},{"start":4196.738,"end":4212.69,"text":"沒有什麼黨派之分這裡面也有警官也有警察所以我是覺得我們在修法我們要考量第一個確實延十年當中去掉三年是疫情"},{"start":4213.47,"end":4241.161,"text":"可是這裡最主要的問題大家要去思考一下任何一個單位的房子建物都是合法那我請問一下你以前的政府為什麼容許他們可以現在不可以以前的政府可以讓他蓋現在的政府要消滅他們基本上這是出花點不公平所以我還是要呼籲"},{"start":4242.741,"end":4265.362,"text":"雖然有歷史有歷史的這些淹源但是這也不是絕對所以我還是希望我還是希望70條之二這是給他們重點是在哪邊是因為所有問題的公安建物所有等等都沒有問題問題出在哪邊是圖館"},{"start":4267.444,"end":4286.756,"text":"是土管所以因而他現在執照申請不出來是原因在這裡所以我們黨裡面我們本黨台灣民眾黨一再強調這五年何華讓你們去改造如果改造不來那"},{"start":4287.176,"end":4299.318,"text":"我說實在下不為例所以我們本黨立場非常清楚但是我們考慮到這圖館的變更不是一朝一夕所以我們支持延後五年"},{"start":4302.572,"end":4318.928,"text":"謝謝林國成委員的發言報言會我們現在依序進行表決如果其中有任何一案通過我們即不再處理其他案請問院會本條照國民黨黨團在修正動議條文通過有無異議"},{"start":4323.355,"end":4338.746,"text":"有意義我們要進行表決我們現在表決國民黨黨團再修正動議條文現有民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決時間一分鐘贊成國民黨團請按贊成反對請按反對現在開始"},{"start":4414.939,"end":4425.943,"text":"報議會報告表決結果出席107位贊成58位反對49位贊成者多數我們第70條之二照國民黨黨團在修正動議條文通過報議會謝依奉委員發表聲明對剛才表決結果與國民黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄"},{"start":4441.394,"end":4464.319,"text":"抱怨會全案現在經過二讀我們依照黨團共識繼續進行三讀請宣讀經過二讀這條文第四條 中央主管機關為主管全國觀光事務設觀光署其組織另以法律定制直銷稅縣市主管機關為主管地方觀光事務得失實際需要 設立觀光機構"},{"start":4468.208,"end":4493.124,"text":"第54條,觀光旅館業、旅館業、旅行業、觀光遊樂業或民宿經營者,經主管機關1第37條第一項檢查經過有不合規定者,除依相關法令辦理外,並令限期改善,藉其人為改善者,除新台幣3萬元以上、30萬元下罰款,請其送到者,並得定期停止其營業至已不獲全部。"},{"start":4493.724,"end":4513.651,"text":"经受停止营业处分人继续营业者,非属其营业执照或登记证。经依第37条第一项规定检查结果,有不合规定或有危害旅客安全之余者,在未完全改善前,得暂停其设施或设备一步或全部之使用或服务之提供。"},{"start":4515.41,"end":4525.957,"text":"觀光旅館業、旅館業、旅行業、觀光遊樂業或民宿經營者,規避妨礙或拒絕主管機關,依第37條第一項規定檢查者,儲新台幣3萬元以上、15萬元相還,並得按次連續處罰。"},{"start":4531.761,"end":4552.117,"text":"第55条 有下列前行之一者 除新台币3万元以上15万元下罚还 其前送到者得非准其营业执照一 观光旅馆一页违反第22条规定 经营核准登记范围外业务二 旅行业违反第27条规定 经营核准登记范围外业务"},{"start":4552.857,"end":4572.571,"text":"有下列其行之一者除薪台幣一萬元以上五萬元相罰還依旅行業違反第29條第一項規定未與旅客訂定書面契約二觀光旅館業旅館業旅行業觀光遊樂業或民宿經營者違反第42條規定暫停營業或暫停經營未報請被查或停業期間屆滿為宣報復業"},{"start":4580.336,"end":4600.338,"text":"观光旅馆业、旅馆业、旅行业、观光游乐业或民宿经营者为本依本条例所发布实名令视情节轻重主管机关的利益限制改善或处心态比一万元以上五万元相迁宽为依本条例领取营业执照或登记证而经营观光旅馆业务"},{"start":4602.28,"end":4618.446,"text":"旅行业务或观光游乐业务者,除新台币10万元以上200万元向罚还并勒令歇业。为依本条例领取登记证而经营民宿者,除新台币10万元以上100万元向罚还并勒令歇业。"},{"start":4619.526,"end":4638.09,"text":"观光旅馆业 旅馆业及民宿经营者 擅自扩大营业客房部分者及扩大部分观光旅馆业及旅馆业 除息台币5万元上25万元下发款民宿经营者 除息台币3万元上15万元下发款 扩大部分并勒令歇业"},{"start":4639.693,"end":4662.672,"text":"经营观光旅馆业务旅馆业务及民宿者依前三项规定经勒令歇业人继续经营者的恩赐处罚主管机关并得移送相关主管机关采取停止供水供电封闭强制拆除或其他必要可立即结束经营之措施且其费用由该违反本条例之经营者负担"},{"start":4663.935,"end":4671.254,"text":"違反其五項規定 請協助到者 主管機關應公布其名稱地址 負責人或經營者姓名及微微事項"},{"start":4673.038,"end":4701.492,"text":"第55條之一 未依本條例規定領取觀光旅館業、旅行業、觀光遊樂業營業執照或旅館業民宿單機證以廣告物、出賣品、廣播電視、電子訊號、電腦網路或其他媒體等散布播送或刊登營業之訊息者處新台幣10萬元以上150萬元下發款命令限期移除 屆期部旅行者得安置處方"},{"start":4703.516,"end":4726.398,"text":"第五十七条旅行业卫议第三十一条规定办理旅约保证保险或承认保险处新台币三位元允送五十万元向房欢中央主管机关得立即停止其办理旅客之出国及国内旅游业务并限于三个月内办妥投保于其为办妥者得废除其旅行业执照"},{"start":4727.439,"end":4754.78,"text":"違反傾向停止辦理旅客之出國及國內旅遊業務之處分者中央儲管機關得廢除其旅行業執照觀光旅館業、旅館業、觀光遊樂業及民宿經營者為依第31條規定辦理責任保險者處新台幣3萬元以上50萬元下滑還儲管機關並應令限期半途投保藉其為半途者得廢除其營業執照或登記券"},{"start":4756.636,"end":4785.292,"text":"第七十条之二,于本条例中华民国一百零四年一月二十二日修正实行前,分以盈利为目的,且供特定对象住宿之场所而有盈利之事实证,因此本条例修正实行之日起十年,在转延五年至一百十九年一月二十一日,向地方主管机关申请旅管业登记,领取登记证及专用标示,使得继续营业。宣读完毕。"},{"start":4786.96,"end":4790.222,"text":"我們現在決議發展觀光條例第四條第五十四條第五十五條第五十五條之一"},{"start":4812.27,"end":4835.125,"text":"第57条第70条之二条文修正通过本条例调次及条文中之调次我们授权议事人员调整我们现在继续处理国民党党团附带决议共一案请议事人员宣读附带决议之内容"},{"start":4836.392,"end":4849.067,"text":"國民黨附帶決議為確保國人從事水液油氣活動的安全要求觀光署及相關主管機關應提出配套措施積極推廣及管理宣讀完畢願願會有無異議"},{"start":4855.66,"end":4869.945,"text":"沒有異議我們就決定照案通過現在我們進行完成立法程序後黨團共事推派代表發言首先請游昊委員發言林益君委員請準備"},{"start":4879.201,"end":4901.743,"text":"再次感謝我們相信社會有愛國民有情在公益團體跟許多為社會付出的團體還能夠持續為社會付出也看到國民黨跟民眾黨還共同來支持發展觀光條例7條之二能夠修法通過展延五年"},{"start":4903.064,"end":4924.414,"text":"剛才我們也看到兩個民進黨的委員剛好已經上廁所至少我們也看到了過去來講救火團的付出許多包括勞工育樂中心教師會館等等大家的付出也能夠獲取其他政黨不同的支持但是在這裡還是要再次的感謝跟強調"},{"start":4925.675,"end":4947.715,"text":"今天防疫投入的一個模範生不應該成為最後面被清算而被死當的學生那我們也可以知道在我們過去看到不斷的追殺公益團體的過程在這個發展觀光條例的這一刻我們修法通過之後國民黨民眾黨也確實的可以為公益團體來發聲"},{"start":4952.499,"end":4978.652,"text":"發展觀光條約的本質它就是要發展國內的觀光大家要把餅做大要讓國際的旅客還都能夠進來才能夠創造我們的觀光的效益所以說未來如果有人持續在提到要來清算這個救火團清算這些特定的教師會館然後軍中心的這種來搶這小眾市場那坦白講那個很明顯的就是清算"},{"start":4979.652,"end":5008.356,"text":"應該要把焦點放在如何發展觀光把柄做大那再次也相信救護團跟許多單位增加這五年的期限大家來依法來努力通過申請那未來來講台灣的住宿才會多元把心思放在發展觀光台灣的觀光才會強大謝謝謝謝遊浩委員的發言接下來我們請林益君委員發言徐富奎委員請準備"},{"start":5021.919,"end":5041.027,"text":"謝謝主席 謝謝各位委員隨著時空的推移 環境的改變以民為主 民眾才是真正的頭家今天發展觀光條例的修法將特定住宿場所合法轉型的日落條款再延五年"},{"start":5041.607,"end":5056.524,"text":"其中包括了國軍英雄館教師會館青年活動中心廟宇香客大樓等住宿場所讓我們國人都能夠有更多的機會還有更友善的住宿的環境可以選擇"},{"start":5057.985,"end":5072.167,"text":"過去因為COVID-19新冠肺炎疫情的影響讓許多機構合法化的時間不足因此在野黨才會提出展延五年根據交通部觀光署的資料顯示"},{"start":5073.467,"end":5087.839,"text":"上代轉型特定業者就只剩55家過去因為土地分區使用管制上有許多的限制加上過去三年碰到新冠疫情的衝擊所以時間上趕不及所以我們給五年的緩衝讓這些機構有機會轉型成合法的旅館我們不應該一直用罰則逼人我們應該要讓這些業者"},{"start":5099.509,"end":5116.937,"text":"能夠有更多更多的緩衝的時間更多的彈性的空間來申請旅宿執照相信很多人都是在教師會館還有國軍英雄館住宿用餐的美好回憶我們花蓮也有國軍英雄館也有教師會館"},{"start":5118.058,"end":5144.656,"text":"如果可以讓這些平價住宿的地點可以在現行發展觀光條例的規範下這些平價的旅宿機構這些特定場所登記在法人之下讓台灣的觀光業更好讓台灣的觀光業可以共同發展一起共好0403花蓮大地震造成觀光一蹶不振希望觀光發展條例的修正可以間接帶動花東的"},{"start":5151.117,"end":5156.01,"text":"謝謝林益君委員的發言接下來請徐富奎委員發言徐宇甄委員請準備"},{"start":5173.151,"end":5191.158,"text":"我想我們今天我們討論的是發展觀光條例但是很遺憾的我們今天不管是國民黨的委員還是民眾黨的委員他們只有去訴諸情感卻修了一個叫做妨害觀光發展的一個條例我想不管是第53條或是70條之二"},{"start":5193.779,"end":5219.639,"text":"這些條文對於我們整個國家的形象金融的秩序甚至是旅遊的發展最重要是公共安全的一個維護上面這都是息息相關攸關我們鄉親百姓的權益但是很遺憾我們的藍白強行通過了這樣子一個不負責任的一個法案對於未來我們的現行政策的推動還有國家的利益來講都是不利的我想第53條"},{"start":5220.96,"end":5238.95,"text":"我們希望針對這個電乳國家榮譽跟維護國家利益的一個行為應該要有一個更高一個罰則就是為了我們看到過去有旅行社和旅客在國際機場發生重大的一個衝突事件甚至有不肖旅行社協助地下會對"},{"start":5239.99,"end":5262.402,"text":"還有旅宿業者沒有配合一個防疫政策種種的這些的違規的行徑我們沒有給行政機關一個強而有力的一個手段他們如何去捍衛我們的這個國家的一個利益跟國家的一個尊嚴那很遺憾的我們的這次的修法卻把行政機關的一個執法的工具受到了一個限制"},{"start":5262.802,"end":5285.002,"text":"我想未來我們恐怕無法能夠迅速應對這樣的一個緊急狀況讓我們的國家榮譽跟利益遭受更大的一個危害那此外針對七十四二條的條例我們民進黨許多的委員都在這邊有提到過去從2015年延長了10年就是要給予一個緩衝跟轉型的一個機會但是這10年過去了"},{"start":5285.843,"end":5297.014,"text":"這些包含救護團根本都無法做一個轉型重點就在於說即使再經過五年也沒辦法完成所謂一個分區跟建築的一個使用的一個合法性那延長這五年"},{"start":5311.652,"end":5316.736,"text":"謝謝徐富奎委員的發言接下來請徐益臻委員發言王美惠委員請準備"},{"start":5347.472,"end":5366.31,"text":"主席還有各位同仁感謝所有支持今天通過我們發展觀光條例修正草案的各位我們的好同仁一百零四年一月二十二號立法院增訂的發展觀光條例第七十之二條的目的在於規範特定住宿對象的場所的"},{"start":5366.738,"end":5381.908,"text":"合法的經營提升安全品質然而未落到一場新冠的疫情改變了世界也讓原本設定的十年期限成為許多單位無法承受的重擔這些特定對象住宿的場所包含了"},{"start":5382.628,"end":5398.667,"text":"相克大樓教師會館跟公私立學校的實習旅館跟會館以及國軍英雄館青年活動中心本來就是為了特定群體提供服務的非營利空間但是疫情卻讓這些單位面臨生存挑戰"},{"start":5399.868,"end":5426.892,"text":"從業人員的生計更是風雨飄搖他們許多人是用雙手跟汗水支撐了家庭也支撐了這些場所的運作如果我們執意要讓這些單位在原本的十年期限內完成登記而忽視他們因為疫情而帶來的實際困難是不合人情也不符合現實的利益背後更是數以千計的家庭的生計的問題因此本次修法將展延五年"},{"start":5427.532,"end":5450.454,"text":"並不是降低標準而是給我們的這些從業人員更多的時間和空間也協助這些單位完成轉型或申請合法登記既是一個平衡的選擇也是對我們民眾關懷的一個體現我們可以看到在修法的過程中雖然有遇到疑慮跟挑戰但是我想每一次的深入討論每一次的修正的"},{"start":5452.136,"end":5470.107,"text":"細節都是為了逐步的落實也給予相關單位一個充足的時間進行調整感謝所有支持這項修法的同仁得以展延五年保障從業人員的生存權工作權及財產權讓我們共同攜手讓台灣的觀光產業迎來更多的光明與希望"},{"start":5491.311,"end":5498.296,"text":"主席 各位同仁 大家好在今天看到發展觀光條例過三度的時候我們在這裡也有感覺一邊高興 一邊覺得有點沮喪"},{"start":5507.25,"end":5516.072,"text":"在這個過程當中 我們有很多條件在這個54條、55條、55條之外 到57條本身也採取修正在這個過程當中 最可惜的就是這個53條53條剛才我們的董事員說 跟這個整件事之後這個可以用怎樣處理"},{"start":5534.836,"end":5543.806,"text":"但是我們自己來想想看,在觀光條例裡面,沒有辦法停,你還說要停那個小寶花裡面,這敢可以,敢好啦,這敢有一點好處作用"},{"start":5552.295,"end":5563.677,"text":"在這個過程當中,我們沒有辦法保障我們的百姓、關公我們出團出,出到外國,讓我們丟包像去到澳洲,一團四十萬、二十萬的客客到那裡,出到那裡兩天的時候,讓我們丟包啦這天不損害台灣中華民國的命運"},{"start":5581.892,"end":5596.24,"text":"在這要讓我們所有的董事說民國90年到現在已經24年我們要來想這個辦法在這個過程當中我也覺得我們要有討論要有怎樣可以保障我們的社會的安全最重要不能用丟包啦"},{"start":5608.831,"end":5615.835,"text":"你看現在的廣告,大家集團集集的,整體的都走,你讓我...現在所有的議員,無論是我們黨還是共產黨,這件事說了三次,我們未來可以再討論,所有共產黨,共產黨的第三個委員長,劉勇,是誰?"},{"start":5636.671,"end":5642.717,"text":"謝謝王美惠委員的發言接下來請徐巧欣委員發言陳樹岳委員請準備"},{"start":5652.152,"end":5676.552,"text":"大家好今天很開心喔在這個歲末年終的時候那能夠通過了這樣子的一個在修正動議那針對呢包含是這個救國團他們的這個青年活動中心還有香客大樓等等的住宿能夠再給他們五年的時間去做轉型為什麼這五年的時間很重要呢我們中間經過疫情"},{"start":5677.793,"end":5700.189,"text":"大家如果記得的話疫情期間對所有的旅宿產業都產生了非常大的衝擊我還記得我大學的時候不分黨派的不分黨派包含有國民黨的學支持國民黨的學生支持民進黨的學生然後當時支持時代力量的學生他們每每辦活動的時候"},{"start":5700.629,"end":5729.173,"text":"都會選在建壇青年活動中心那裡有住宿有辦活動的場地那是大家共同的回憶經過這段時光我們也可以很清楚的感受到這樣子的一個地方舊國團他們的這個建壇青年活動中心根本就沒有所謂的意識形態也根本沒有灌輸任何的政黨色彩給我們的學生反倒是有很多公民團體也好"},{"start":5729.673,"end":5749.072,"text":"不分黨派的學生也好在這裡可以享有比較便宜的住宿可以辦活動對於所有的大學生來說擁有在台北市這樣子的一個健談青年活動中心的住宿跟辦活動的場地真的對於大學生們來說都受益非常良多"},{"start":5749.853,"end":5774.084,"text":"而今天我們長大成人了比較少再去參加那些夜宿啊宿營的活動了但我們回想我們又怎麼可以剝奪現在的學生跟我們過去一樣擁有同樣的權益呢所以我很開心延長五年讓他們再有機會繼續的來爭取那也希望讓更多的學生能夠有便宜的住宿能夠舉辦豐富的活動謝謝大家"},{"start":5778.182,"end":5783.413,"text":"謝謝許巧欣委員的發言在接下來我們最後一位請陳樹越委員發言"},{"start":5800.726,"end":5807.254,"text":"院長還有各位同仁大家好今天非常遺憾就是國民黨跟民眾黨夾著人事的優勢強行通過了發展公共條例第53條還有第72"},{"start":5816.986,"end":5834.511,"text":"第70條之二的修正案那尤其是第70條之二事實上大家一直在訴諸這個情感的這樣子的一個訴求可是我們要去回想一下早年包括不管是勞動部文化部教育部或者是農業部等等"},{"start":5836.071,"end":5838.935,"text":"這些目的事業主管機關所屬的相關的一個場館就是包括國際英雄館教育會館青年活動中心等他們本來是針對特定對象來提供服務可是過去他們確實有提供"},{"start":5850.948,"end":5856.595,"text":"不特定對象的這個住宿的服務甚至有委外經營的這樣子的一個狀況所以這樣子提供旅館業功能的這樣子的一個服務我們也需要我們就是希望就是說他們也必須符合旅館業的一個"},{"start":5866.185,"end":5870.79,"text":"法令的一個規範畢竟旅館業旅宿業是發展觀光的產業裡面非常重要的一環基於這個旅客的一個安全我們必須要求他們提供安全的場所包括消防建物的各個公共安全都必須符合"},{"start":5882.342,"end":5888.849,"text":"法令的一個規定所以我們在2015年的時候就給予了10年的一個緩衝期希望他們能夠來針對法令的一個要求提供來申請轉型取得旅館業的一個登記10年過去了事實上當初列館的118處的這個場所"},{"start":5901.583,"end":5921.391,"text":"有很多地方都已經轉型成功或者是取得了旅館業的一個登記目前只剩22處那事實上這22處就是主要還是就是救國團的青年活動中心所以我們所以對這些場館我們都是一視同仁的也不是說在針對特定的一個單位來的這個剛剛所"},{"start":5953.808,"end":5954.348,"text":"謝謝陳樹越委的發言"},{"start":5957.591,"end":5971.712,"text":"抱怨會我們現在完成立法程序後的發言均已發言完畢我們進入討論事項第三案壯世代政策與產業發展促進法草案請宣讀審查報告"},{"start":5974.264,"end":5994.501,"text":"本院社會福利及衛生環境經濟兩委員會分別於113年10月24日及12月2日舉行聯席會議審查本案會議由蘇召集委員清泉擔任主席邀請提案委員說明提案要旨並請勞動部部長何佩珊等列席說明並備諮詢與會員於聽取說明及詢談後進行逐條討論 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由蘇召集委員清選補充說明宣讀完畢參議會王世堅委員發表聲明對剛才的表決與民進黨黨團一致列入公報記錄我們現在請召集委員蘇清前委員補充說明"},{"start":6044.42,"end":6060.713,"text":"主席各位同仁媒體朋友大家好台灣子女少子化人力彌補不足今年已經進入超高齡所謂65歲以上的老人突破了20%"},{"start":6063.756,"end":6076.609,"text":"45歲以上的壯士代人口達到51%以上每兩個人就一個超過45歲按照以往的觀念這意味著台灣老化的情況嚴重"},{"start":6078.911,"end":6097.325,"text":"這次的壯世代政策跟產業發展促進法三讀如果能通過的話意味著55歲以上的人口在少子化的趨勢下能夠一定程度的彌補人力的不足成為生產力的族群"},{"start":6098.752,"end":6117.317,"text":"那我們靠年輕世代事實上是不夠的2027年老人人口的比例跟青壯年的人口已經是一樣的所以整個高齡的人口要靠青年來撫養這是越來越不切實際"},{"start":6118.874,"end":6146.991,"text":"目前勞動力的市場55歲以後40歲以後參加勞動的比例明顯降低這個不管是台灣或者是美國日本但是我們台灣比人家更低所以我們如何來引導這一批人口能夠再度的投入職場台灣要邁入超高齡社會如何維護高齡人口的生活品質跟尊嚴"},{"start":6148.496,"end":6166.698,"text":"以及因應老化所帶來的青壯年照顧及撫養負擔加重及少子化多重的問題應該是我們政府持續努力的重要目標也是大家關注的焦點看到我們各部會"},{"start":6167.455,"end":6194.233,"text":"都各自拿出相應的方案教育部的有第三人生大學勞動部訂了55plus等等很多措施但是名稱都不一樣只要這個法能夠來統一的來規範那也是好事一樁我們注意到世界各國都積極的提出政策鼓勵中高齡在職場上繼續貢獻"},{"start":6196.909,"end":6206.298,"text":"今天大家大願如果能夠通過這個法案這個思維跟觀念跟創新這是大家要肯定的然後跟產業發展來"},{"start":6209.619,"end":6234.33,"text":"好好的配合然後缺工的情況能夠有55歲以上的壯士代來彌補因為大家都還是身強體壯為社會國家貢獻一己之力不要造成年輕人的負擔這是我們這個法案最大的目的希望大家可以重視這一個族群55歲以上的給予鼓勵"},{"start":6235.427,"end":6252.131,"text":"尊重然後呢偏見轉為眼見使台灣在台灣面臨生產力不足人口不足勞動力不足的情況下有更多的人力投入勞動市場讓我們產業的發展能夠更蓬勃以上 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請宣讀第一條"},{"start":6344.895,"end":6371.522,"text":"第一条为因应超高龄社会促使国家政策制定与产业发展能因应人口并且所生的新社会与市场结构翻转引发海啸转为国家发展动力降低年轻世代负担实现世代经济循环目标维护壮世代人权与尊严创造跨龄共荣任性永续之目标特制定本法宣读完毕"},{"start":6372.282,"end":6400.369,"text":"我們照協商條文通過請宣讀第二條第二條本法所稱創世代只五十五歲以上有工作能力及意願之國民宣讀完畢照協商條文通過請宣讀第三條第三條本法所稱主管金關為國家發展委員會本法所定事項涉及各目的事業主管金關執行者由各目的事業主管金關辦理宣讀完畢照協商條文通過請宣讀第四條"},{"start":6401.089,"end":6426.677,"text":"第四條,政府應積極推動,輔助壯士代產業之發展,培植壯士代新創及產業鏈。宣讀完畢。照協商條文通過,請宣讀第五條。第五條,政府應建立壯士代金融行動方案與指標,提供相關金融商品或服務鼓勵措施,同時積極提供壯士代金融教育,強化金融勢能。宣讀完畢。照協商條文通過,請宣讀第六條。"},{"start":6427.421,"end":6446.2,"text":"第六条,主管机关与目的事业主管机关,应鼓励公司部门与学术机构合作,强化状势的相关议题之研究与应用。主管机关应至少每五年办理全国性状势的状况调查,出版统计报告。宣读完毕。照协商条文通过,请宣读第七条。"},{"start":6446.809,"end":6466.197,"text":"第七条,政府应积极推动壮士的就业,发展友善职场环境,建立合一媒合及培训机制,推动弹性工作模式,在尊重及反歧视原则下创造壮士的实行就业环境。在协商条文通过,请宣读第八条。"},{"start":6466.82,"end":6486.909,"text":"第八條政府應從健康促進與延緩失能觀點借醫療投資增進智慧精準醫療以維護壯士的身心健康並就預防保健心理衛生醫療與父親之規劃推動及監督等事項保障壯士帶權益宣讀完畢照寫商條文通過請宣讀第九條"},{"start":6487.662,"end":6515.669,"text":"第九条政府应与大学合作整合相关教学资源培训机构或团体建构多元学习管道建立创世代终身学习与社会参与宣读完毕在协商条文通过请宣读第十条第十条政府应协助创世代积极参与社会创造数位平权环境以使创世代智慧资产有效贡献社会宣读完毕在协商条文通过请宣读第十一条"},{"start":6516.229,"end":6527.152,"text":"第十一条政府应建立合一共融之世代共存之新文化并积极建立相关文化产业宣读完毕照协商条案通过请宣读第十二条"},{"start":6527.85,"end":6549.375,"text":"第十二條政府應推動壯士代觀光發展建立壯士代旅遊行銷品牌媒合在地組織與產業界鼓勵壯士代提出或參與觀光旅遊相關提案促成壯士代產業對優質壯士代旅遊規劃之共識宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過請宣讀第十三條"},{"start":6550.202,"end":6575.256,"text":"第十三條政府應針對壯士的農民或跨域從農者提升農業技術及農業經營結合青壯年流農貨返農增加農業及農村經濟產值並建立壯士的農民與在地青農交流及服務平台機制促進農村再生與農業永續發展宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過請宣讀第十四條"},{"start":6575.99,"end":6591.739,"text":"第十四条,鼓励装饰代参与地方创生,通过媒合机制建立装饰代与在地团体创生组织合作,提供技术及知识等投入地方创生事业,创造地方共好发展。宣读完毕。"},{"start":6595.27,"end":6617.456,"text":"第十五條 政府應建立壯世代相關統計資料並每年公布之宣讀完畢在協商條文通過 請宣讀第十六條第十六條 各級政府應以首長或其指定職人為召集人邀請相關學者專家 民間機構團體代表及壯世代族群代表定期召開會議或論壇協調諮詢審議及規劃推動與其主管業務相關之壯世代政策"},{"start":6623.417,"end":6630.166,"text":"各級政府應鼓勵企業及社會團體宣敬社會責任共同推動壯世代政策宣讀完畢"},{"start":6634.229,"end":6656.592,"text":"第十七条 政府应换列装饰带事务预算 合理分配及运用 确保经费符合政策所需政府应依实际需要合理分配 益助资源 补助表彰相关学术机构 传业界 民间团体与个人等共同推动装饰带政策及措施 宣读还必在协商条文通过 请宣读第十八条"},{"start":6657.096,"end":6685.487,"text":"第十八條政府應於本法實行後二年內發布國家狀勢代人口政策白皮書並定期一起績效及國內外情勢發展定期檢討修正之各級政府應配合國家狀勢代人口政策白皮書檢討所主管制政策與行政措施有不符其規定者應訂定修正其相關政策及行政措施並推動執行宣讀完畢在協商條文通過請宣讀第十九條"},{"start":6686.294,"end":6706.115,"text":"第十九條 為因應創生的實務需求 各級政府應充實相關人力 辦理人員教育訓練 以提升工作品質 宣讀完畢再寫上條文通過 請宣讀第二十條第二十條 本法自中華民國一百十五年一月一日實行 宣讀完畢"},{"start":6707.608,"end":6722.435,"text":"抱怨會我們現在全案已經經過二讀依照黨團共事我們繼續進行補正我們審查會第20條刪除抱怨會全案經過二讀我們現在依照黨團共事進行三讀"},{"start":6736.345,"end":6743.408,"text":"更正第二十條照協商條文通過報言會我們全案經過二讀現在依照黨團共識我們繼續進行三讀請宣讀經過二讀之條文"},{"start":6748.686,"end":6777.591,"text":"壮世代政策与产业发展促进法第一条为因应超高龄社会促使国家政策制定与产业发展难因应人口变迁所生的新社会与市场结构翻转引发海啸成为国家发展动力降低年轻世代负担实现世代经济循环目标维护壮世代人权与尊严创造跨领共荣任性永续之目标特制定本法"},{"start":6778.451,"end":6798.678,"text":"第二条本法所宣创世代至55岁以上有工作能力及意愿之国民第三条本法所宣主管机关为国家发展委员会本法锁定事项涉及各目的事业主管机关执掌者由各目的事业主管机关办理第四条政府应积极推动"},{"start":6799.238,"end":6828.256,"text":"辅助壮世代产业之发展排除壮世代新创及产业链第五条政府应建立壮世代金融行动方案与指标提供相关金融商品或服务鼓励措施同时积极提供壮世代金融教育强化金融势能第六条主管机关与目的世界主管机关应鼓励公司部门与学术机构合作强化壮世代相关议题之研究与应用"},{"start":6829.176,"end":6851.336,"text":"主管机关应至少每五年办理全国性装饰代状况调查出版统计报告第七条政府应积极推动装饰代就业发展友善职场环境建立合一媒合及培训机制推动弹性工作模式在尊重及反歧视原则下创造装饰代适性就业环境"},{"start":6853.778,"end":6870.084,"text":"8.政府应从健康促进与延缓失能观点,借医疗投资增进智慧精准医疗,以维护壮士的身心健康,并就预防保健、心理温身、医疗与附近之规划推动及监督等事项保障壮士的权益。"},{"start":6871.064,"end":6893.991,"text":"第九条政府应与大学合作整合相关教学资源培训机构或团体建构多元学习管道建立装饰蛋终身学习与社会参与第十条政府应协助装饰蛋积极参与书会社会创造数位评选环境以使装饰蛋智慧资产有效贡献社会"},{"start":6896.6,"end":6921.186,"text":"11.政府应建立合一共融知识代共存之新文化,并积极建立相关文化产业。12.政府应推动壮士代观光发展,建立壮士代旅游行销品牌,媒合在地组织与产业界,鼓励壮士代提出或参与观光旅游相关提案,促成壮士代产业对优质壮士代旅游规划之共识。"},{"start":6923.627,"end":6943.828,"text":"13.政府应针对创世代农民或跨域从农者提升农业技术及农业经营,结合青壮年流农户返农,增加农业及农村经济产值,并建立创世代农民与在地青农交流及服务平台机制,促进农村再生与农业永续发展。"},{"start":6945.029,"end":6959.267,"text":"第十四条鼓励创世代参与地方创生透过媒合机制建立创世代与在地团体创生组织合作提供技术及知识等投入地方创生事业创造地方共好发展"},{"start":6961.127,"end":6986.153,"text":"第十五条 政府应接历壮士代相关统计资料并每年公布之第十六条 各级政府应以首长或其决定居长为召集人邀请相关学者串家 民间机构团体代表及壮士代族群代表定期召开会议或论坛协调咨询审议及规划推动与其主管业务相关之壮士代政策"},{"start":6987.193,"end":7013.549,"text":"各界政府应鼓励企业及社会团体深进社会责任共同推动壮士代政策第十七条政府应宽列壮士代事务预算合理分配及运用确保经费符合政策所需政府应依实际需要合理分配益助资源补助表彰相关学术机构、传业界、民间团体与个人等共同推动壮士代政策及措施"},{"start":7014.529,"end":7026.716,"text":"第十八条政府应于本法实行后二年内发布国家壮时代人口政策白皮书并定期依其绩效及国内外情势发展定期检讨修正之"},{"start":7028.362,"end":7056.906,"text":"各級政府應配合國家壯士代人口政策白皮書檢討所主管之政策與行政措施有不符其規定者應訂定修正其相關政策及行政措施並推動執行第十九條為因應壯士代事務需求各級政府應充實相關人力辦理人員教育訓練以提升工作品質第二十條本法自中華民國一百十五年一月一日施行"},{"start":7059.746,"end":7084.111,"text":"官員會我們三讀條文已經宣讀完畢請問院會有無文字修正沒有文字修正我們現在決議壯世代政策與產業發展促進法制法制定通過官員會本法"},{"start":7086.723,"end":7099.311,"text":"條次及條文中之條次我們授權議事人員調整會議會 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壯台灣為壯世代加油為台灣加油謝謝"},{"start":8195.31,"end":8215.145,"text":"謝謝洪孟凱委員的發言接下來請林月琴委員發言廖偉祥委員請準備主席各位同僚"},{"start":8217.305,"end":8240.2,"text":"今天我們的壯世代政策與產業發展促進法三讀通過壯世代引髮族這些說法在一直是一個用來替代老人這個詞彙的說法它的意義就是在說我們今天所面對到的老人人類歷史上我們有很多的資源的戰後嬰兒潮老化"},{"start":8241.101,"end":8259.31,"text":"因為他們強勢富有而稱為壯世代這個詞彙用在宣傳上本來相當積極的作用但是用來取代55歲以上的中高齡跟高齡者上並不恰當因為在學理上所謂的"},{"start":8261.107,"end":8276.202,"text":"中高齡期事實上是45歲到64歲那老人期事實上是65歲以上那在社會上也會造成社會認為老人強勢富有的印象而無視真的老人的"},{"start":8278.203,"end":8294.149,"text":"僅佔老人人口的四分之一那跟四分之三的老人扣除每月一萬七到兩萬四的必要生活支出事實上僅能維持小康生活所以對此大費周章的以促進老人釋放財務作為訴求來立這部法"},{"start":8297.546,"end":8314.538,"text":"我認為比較不妥適並且在這個事實上本法如果不建立在既有的高齡政策下作為配套措施的話這部法令將恐怕難以促進社會進步也因為名稱適用者的年齡以及各項定義不明確增加公務人員的困擾"},{"start":8316.089,"end":8343.638,"text":"所以在這樣子的一個攸關整個社會大問題台灣的高齡政策累積了深厚的知識基礎跟經驗所以本席期待透過朝野的智慧能夠將通過的本法通過後的負面影響降到最低持續推動既有的高齡政策守住超高齡的未來以上謝謝謝謝林月琴委員的發言接下來我們請廖偉祥委員發言王振旭委員請準備"},{"start":8364.192,"end":8378.236,"text":"今天我們站在這裡見證了壯世代政策跟產業發展法這項具有歷史意義的法案三讀通過那也特別感謝吳春城委員的提出以及堅持努力不懈"},{"start":8378.837,"end":8396.782,"text":"那這不僅是我們社會政策的重大突破更是對於台灣未來發展的積極準備跟投資那麼隨著人口結構的巨變包含我們已經進入超高齡社會少子化跟超高齡社會的雙重衝擊是無可避免的那麼過去的舊思維已經無法解決這些問題這些人口結構巨變的"},{"start":8399.203,"end":8423.018,"text":"問題包含無法減輕長期照護的龐大負擔那麼特別是與這個北歐等先進國家相比我國的不健康與命長達八年遠遠高過北歐的兩週這些差距其實我們在社會的第一線都有看到我們這些差距也提醒我們必須要尋求突破和改變那麼這一切都在於這一次壯士帶來共同應對的"},{"start":8424.019,"end":8439.997,"text":"那壯世代法案具有壯世代價值促進產業發展以及減輕社會福利負擔促進世代融合等優勢那麼過去在委員會討論的時候我有提到其實現在45歲以上被稱為中高齡然後50歲以上被稱為半白老翁"},{"start":8441.319,"end":8464.899,"text":"65歲以上被稱為高齡或者是老人退休老人其實這樣的稱呼是沒有人喜歡的也導致這個職場調查時還是發現充滿了年齡歧視所以我們擬定政策的時候我們不應該被這些舊思維給限制住同時這項政策的推動不僅給了長世代創造更多機會也為年輕一代減輕負擔那麼隨著人口的改變"},{"start":8465.74,"end":8484.634,"text":"年輕一代的社會和經濟壓力不斷的增加然而如果我們能夠讓更多的這些年長者繼續參與勞動市場發揮他們的專長跟智慧將有助於減輕年輕世代的負擔這樣世代之間不再是對立的負擔而是彼此協作共同成長的夥伴"},{"start":8489.649,"end":8495.428,"text":"謝謝廖偉祥委員的發言接下來我們請王振旭委員發言葉元之委員請準備"},{"start":8510.095,"end":8532.975,"text":"謝謝主席 各位同仁 院長今天壯士代政策與產業發展促進法完成了三讀對於本法的精神本席非常認同也非常肯定當然這部法一開始的時候是透過吳村城委員不斷的希望能夠有機會針對於55歲以上的這些"},{"start":8535.274,"end":8552.016,"text":"獎盃或者是對台灣有想要持續貢獻的這個世代的人能夠對台灣持續加以貢獻所以一開始的時候並沒有其他委員的相對的提案也沒有這個正願版的前提之下對於本法相關的內容"},{"start":8553.297,"end":8573.424,"text":"後來經過大家不斷的討論以後呢得到現有的這個成果非常的不容易那我身為這個共同委員共體委員也同樣表達非常的感謝那在這個過程裡面有一些關鍵的內容也簡單的在跟大家做報告有關第三條本來是希望能夠行政院要成立這個辦公室不過經過這個民進"},{"start":8575.805,"end":8604.341,"text":"黨團在修正動議裡面明定由國發會為主管機關那這部分也非常感謝大家都能夠認同避免將來的跌床駕屋在第17條本來是希望政府能夠寬裂壯士代事項預算採取必要措施及分配運用確保經會符合政策的所需那本席認為這個必要措施屬於不確定的法律概念所以也非常感謝在"},{"start":8605.041,"end":8634.059,"text":"也黨的黨團同意把這段的文字做了取消最後有關於這部法的施行日期在刪讀版本的第20條也從原先自公佈日期施行改為從明年也是從民國115年1月1日來施行之所以這樣的立法主要就是考量目的在將來編列預算的時候有更充裕的時間來做執行那在本法刪讀之際本期還是要藉此機會再次強迫"},{"start":8660.152,"end":8664.135,"text":"謝謝王振旭委員的發言接下來請葉元之委員發言"},{"start":8686.451,"end":8709.549,"text":"主席、各位委員我們現在進入超高齡的社會當然要有新的思維我認為這個撞促法的三讀通過其實代表三層意義第一個過去我們的人口政策常自我設限我們常常用功能主義的角度來看待這些高齡者認為他們只要他們健康然後不要拖垮我們的健保就可以減輕國家的財政負擔"},{"start":8710.37,"end":8732.283,"text":"但是實際上這個是完全錯誤的思維所以撞促法的通過可以剛好扭轉社會這種印象長輩其實是我們的資產不是我們的負債他未來可以幫助台灣成為台灣一個非常重要的不管是勞動力也好或者是成為我們的智慧也好這樣這樣的一個思維可以完全扭轉第二個因為"},{"start":8733.524,"end":8748.754,"text":"因為長輩是我們的資產我們可以重新的來思考他們的需求過去我們常常會以一般人認為長輩需要什麼來規劃相關的政策譬如說以教育政策來講好像只要安排一些讓他們玩樂的課程"},{"start":8749.654,"end":8778.894,"text":"或者是讓他們吃吃飯好像就完成了對他們相關的政策但是不是因為我自己跟很多長輩有聊過天他們覺得退休後的生活剛好是他們完整人生必要的階段例如說他們去學習一些藝文的才藝他們認為小時候都沒有做這些事情現在長大了做這個事情他的人格被完整了所以我們應該從長輩的需求出發去思考怎麼去規劃各項壯世代的政策"},{"start":8779.614,"end":8806.805,"text":"第三個意義呢因為我們提出撞世代這樣的概念所以幫助大家更深層的去思考什麼是撞世代那因為了解就可以消除歧見達到世代共榮而這一切呢當然也需要政府訂定各項政策來完成讓我們的社會可以溝通得更好然後大家可以更好的相處所以撞出法通過有非常好的意義是一個好的開始撞世代撞台灣 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廖偉祥委員請準備"},{"start":9608.598,"end":9622.195,"text":"主席在場的憲進我們今天談年金改革景蕭很辛苦景蕭有年金嗎有農民是不是更辛苦老農有年金嗎沒有"},{"start":9623.291,"end":9649.524,"text":"你會說老農怎麼沒有你年輕呢?我正靠阿伯阿公,阿大哥你還八千阿伯阿,抱歉啦,你娘不是老農年輕啦,你娘是老農頂天嘛他說這有什麼不一樣?我說不一樣啊,老農頂天是政府用稅金編給你的他說什麼稅金編給我的?我等半年要三千多塊阿伯阿,你三千多塊,半年要一次是減薪費"},{"start":9650.564,"end":9663.317,"text":"你每個月農報才九七十八塊可以贏傷產幾戶 生育幾戶 死亡幾戶他說這樣喔 不是我九七十八塊可以每個月贏八千喔同樣道理 我們聽到國民黨的同僚搞不清楚"},{"start":9665.275,"end":9683.827,"text":"軍和公教警校是兩個不一樣的制度年金從84年從N級度改為提撥制之後有了重大的變革什麼是N級制 簡單講今天老闆辦尾牙他說工地的幫忙通信課一萬塊請你然後工廠的員工兩班輪請八千塊一桌"},{"start":9689.789,"end":9717.376,"text":"我們辦公室裡面的文書同仁吃六千塊一桌然後呢 業務委員有佣金吃麥當勞就好公不公平沒有什麼不公平啊因為是老闆請客啊但是不管是軍的退府還是公教警校的退府是提撥制是吃自己攪的簡單講軍人年輕的時候他就像是攪退府的提撥"},{"start":9718.769,"end":9735.856,"text":"年輕的時候繳老了之後呢按月到餐廳搭伙一樣吃餐廳的伙食公教跟錦霄一樣有他們搭伙的餐廳年輕的時候繳保費年紀退休之後呢就吃餐廳的包伙每個月領"},{"start":9737.086,"end":9756.937,"text":"結果有人說我年輕的時候我是警消我跟公教搭伙但是我退休的時候我要跟軍人吃一樣的餐廳這就是不公平不合理不實際的行為所以很多人搞不清楚為什麼軍職的退伏跟公教退伏它是兩個不同的系統"},{"start":9758.017,"end":9780.88,"text":"個人繳個人的保惠但是個人享個人退休的待遇因此呢我們希望我們在未來的警察人員人事條例當中不要再誤導我們的警校同仁了有人說他們很辛苦辛苦是退休之前辛苦退休了70歲的警校擁有會跟70歲的銀行婦理退休的"},{"start":9781.34,"end":9792.749,"text":"都沒有同樣的危險 都沒有同樣的勞苦都是領國家依照當年他們繳的退伍 領他們的退休金退伍要公平 年金改革不能倒退"},{"start":9815.95,"end":9834.304,"text":"主席 各位同仁 警察人員人事條例的修法是針對警察、消防、海巡等公務人員群體退休保障的調高那此案的修正的核心精神是在於讓工作具有高度危險性和壓力的警消同仁能夠擁有其付出相匹配的生活保障"},{"start":9835.014,"end":9860.962,"text":"那麼警察警消的工作特性跟責任是我們應該重視的根本原因警察人員的工作特性最常也被各公務機關要求協情的對象甚至寶二也要成為第二陸軍顯示其工作充滿了隨時可能威脅生命的風險那麼消防人員的業務也是包山包海面對火場的危險狀況都衝在第一線那傷亡情況幾乎是每天的日常"},{"start":9861.542,"end":9882.597,"text":"那麼海巡人員呢日前也規劃要成為第二海軍那未來的業務也只會更加繁重那麼根據內政部警政署的統計警消人員的平均死亡年齡是75歲較國人的平均壽命81歲少了6年那麼即使退休後平均死亡年齡也78歲仍比國人平均壽命短了3年"},{"start":9883.317,"end":9911.43,"text":"所以警消佔全國軍公教人數的11%結果卻有高達38%因公死亡所以這些差距鮮明地反映了警消工作對於身心健康的巨大負荷那麼今天不就警消他們人員越來越少治安越來越差是人民想要的嗎?此次修法將使退休警察的所得替代率全面提升以符合他們的付出跟貢獻"},{"start":9912.677,"end":9934.226,"text":"那麼警察服務年資滿15年者替代率為43.25%其後每增加一年替代率增加1.75%最高採記40年並以80%為上限那麼警校們這個肩負重大的責任面臨高風險的職業群體他們卻長期不能夠享有合理的退休待遇"},{"start":9935.026,"end":9962.285,"text":"所以其實我們可以看到齊頭市平等並非真正的平等我們應該考量到工作的特殊性打造立足點平等我們必須正視一個事實退休保障不足不僅影響現役警消的未來生活更動搖整體警察隊伍的士氣與向心力甚至影響到招募新進人員的情況正視保障事實上的行力不足所以造成人員長期不足的現象"},{"start":9963.905,"end":9985.684,"text":"那麼對於有部分人認為提高替代率可能導致基層警消變成高階公務員的疑慮但是修法並非只在破壞公務人員退府制度的平衡而是要讓一個高風險高壓力的職業群體獲得應有的尊重跟保障這是職業風險跟回報匹配相互平衡的基本邏輯也是支持這個公務體系的核心價值"},{"start":9986.781,"end":10001.247,"text":"警消人員是守護社會安定的關鍵力量他們的責任無法簡單以薪資或退休金衡量但至少我們今天可以藉由修法讓他們在職業生涯結束後更具有尊嚴的生活這是國家的責任也是對每一位默默奉獻者的承諾"},{"start":10022.059,"end":10039.597,"text":"主席 各位同仁年改不能走回頭路我們在過去的幾年好不容易完成了年金改革但是在今天處理警察人員人事條例卻要把整個年金改革的成績要把它造成了一個破窗效應"},{"start":10040.538,"end":10061.734,"text":"那我們一直在講說警察 海巡 消防人員他們是危老 沒有錯他們的工作非常辛苦但是他們在工作辛苦的日子也就到了他們退休的時候退休生活就是另外一個階段也就是在退休生活後你不能再把危老的因素"},{"start":10062.594,"end":10089.087,"text":"變成他們所謂退休金跟公務員有不同的一個計算的一個標準那這個就違反了公平原則所以我們舉一個例子如果以35年的年資那以現在國民黨民眾黨的版本用所謂80%來計算退休的基層警察就差不多3到6指等這個人數也是目前警察人數的八成"},{"start":10089.867,"end":10116.044,"text":"他的退休的一個所得上限74544塊這個比同街的公務員退休的他的退休金47448塊或者是同街可能是最高的在君子的大概是市官長這一級的他大概領到38165塊足足增加了一倍"},{"start":10116.784,"end":10121.709,"text":"甚至我再舉比較極端的例子我剛剛講的74544塊勒還比公務人員最高的常務次長或者是大學的教授73999"},{"start":10136.808,"end":10151.156,"text":"73992塊還要高所以這呈現的是怎樣就是說你回到退休制度的時候你發現你這一套標準下去對於其他的公務人員會有很大的不公平的產生甚至你以君子來說"},{"start":10152.116,"end":10172.105,"text":"君子的話 為什麼他的所得替代率比較高呢因為他的服役期間短 因為他有任期的天花板如果他沒生氣的話 他就必須會被強迫退休這個是君子的一個狀況所以你要把這兩個東西 把它類比下來你就可以發現 基本上這樣是完全不公平的"},{"start":10172.845,"end":10201.697,"text":"而且大家在於說為了退休金現在都是自己來做提撥然後自己大家都按照一樣的制度結果在一樣的制度卻因為職業別在於退休的時候有不同的所得益代率職業上也有不公平所以我們認為說基於整個年改我們年改為了整個年金永續的一個要求我們不希望產生第一個破窗效應讓我們年改的成績"},{"start":10210.752,"end":10228.178,"text":"好 謝謝蔡議員的發言報院會程序委員會吳宗憲委員表示今天中午程序委員會開會的時間在我們院會中午休息之後10分鐘開始並於紅樓201會議室召開特此報告接下來我們請吳宗憲委員發言 審發會員請準備"},{"start":10242.2,"end":10265.054,"text":"謝謝主席 謝謝各位委員我想剛剛有委員提到說如果經過我們這次的改革會讓一些年輕人不敢再從事警職其實這個邏輯是錯誤的因為我自己很清楚25年前我分發出來工作的時候當時派出所裡面都是年輕的小夥子但是現在各位再回去派出所看"},{"start":10265.894,"end":10286.074,"text":"派出所現在有非常多上二年級滿頭白髮的警員這個原因是什麼因為大家不敢退休因為退休後跟他在職的薪資差距過大所以導致缺沒有出來年輕的警察也沒有辦法再考進去那其實這是一個惡性循環尤其是需要"},{"start":10286.795,"end":10303.472,"text":"非常充沛體力的第一線派出所的員警沒有辦法由最年輕的同仁來擔當其實這對社會的治安也是有所影響我想我們這次希望的改革呢其實是還給他們一個公道因為"},{"start":10304.904,"end":10330.427,"text":"當年他們當公職的時候當警察的時候國家給他的承諾是什麼其實這是一個信賴保護我們對他的信賴保護雖然大法官有說過因為公益的需求所以違反信賴保護他認為這個沒有問題但是我們再回過頭來看這幾年其實年年超收稅金那這個時候你在要求這些人你必須因為公益的需求而不能夠"},{"start":10332.128,"end":10360.663,"text":"領到當年承諾他們的退休其實這個是不對的這個並沒有所謂公益上面的急迫需求更何況這段時間很多人都說這個改革是一個錢坑但是大家回過頭來看其實真正造成這個國家錢坑的是許多的錯誤政策尤其是這幾年的錯誤政策就如同剛剛我們同仁所說的這幾年台電的虧損每年撥不要到2000億以上"},{"start":10361.463,"end":10381.702,"text":"那一個錯誤的政策把一間年年賺錢的公司導致現在年年虧損那年年虧損的這個金額又是非常的巨大其實問題是出在這個地方那我們再回過頭去想其實錦霄在任何國家災難重大危難颱風地震的時候其實我們在家"},{"start":10382.603,"end":10397.688,"text":"休假我們在家休颱風假但是呢他們必須消假回到街頭去保護我們的安全所以他們總是朝著人們逃難的反方向去接近危險對於這些人用生命在保護我們的人其實我們不應該忘記他們"},{"start":10398.988,"end":10425.289,"text":"所以當他們用生命在熱愛這個國家的時候我希望這個國家以及所有的同仁以及所有的國民都不要忘了他們為這個國家的付出甚至不要刻意的去忘了他們對這個國家的付出我強調的是不要刻意甚至不要因為選票的考量而刻意的去忽略了他們在這邊我還是希望大家能夠支持我們這一次的改革成功謝謝各位"},{"start":10428.167,"end":10456.608,"text":"謝謝吳宗憲委員的發言接下來請審發會委員發言張志倫委員請準備各位同仁今天我們審議警察人員人事條例"},{"start":10458.317,"end":10485.422,"text":"國民黨民眾黨他們所提案他們要將退休警察的所得替代率提高到80%剛才所有的發言這個提案兩個黨一直在指控民進黨一直在指控好像說你沒有把退休警消人員的所得替代率調到80%就是你忽視警消的辛苦就是你歧視警消就是你把警消推到人民的對立面等等的指控"},{"start":10487.008,"end":10511.817,"text":"但是事實上大家知道就是因為警察警消人員他們的圍牢的這個勤務所以事實上在他們目前在執行這個圍牢勤務的過程裡面為了因應他們的圍牢所以政府針對他們月所得跟他們待遇都給予特別的加級再加上員警平均他的月所得"},{"start":10512.807,"end":10522.943,"text":"他比這個同樣職級的公務人員會高出相當大的程度此外警察人員跟相關福利照護的措施他也優於一般的公教人員"},{"start":10524.253,"end":10546.318,"text":"這些現役的警察他們甚至給予他們自願退休跟支領月退的年齡都提早10歲的優惠這就是因為政府我們的制度知道警校他們的危勞知道他們的辛苦所以我們對於現職的警校人員我們有給予這麼多優惠的福利措施"},{"start":10548.407,"end":10574.941,"text":"但是我剛才看到國民黨提出來他們的口號站在這裡拿的牌子他們講說保障警消,抵造軍人這句話公平嗎?我們軍人服役期間短他有強迫退休制度,他的年資少所以他的所得替代率當然會比一般公務員高警察並沒有這樣子的問題"},{"start":10578.195,"end":10597.858,"text":"按照目前國民黨提出來的法案你最後的結果可能你一般的員警退休他所實際支領的月退金可能高於中校退休所支領的退休金這樣子公平嗎中校以下的這些軍官支領的退休金公平嗎"},{"start":10600.404,"end":10608.669,"text":"另外修法它會造成兩個最大的不公平第一個是同儕之間的不公平另外是世代之間的不公平"},{"start":10610.109,"end":10636.584,"text":"這次這樣子的修法同樣屬於危牢同樣是全區部所定義的危牢職業你包括這些醫護人員包括這個矯正機關的管理員包括這個台鐵的司機員等等同樣危牢的但是大家所領的這個退休的這個所得替代的確不一樣這是同儕之間的不公平拜託大家整體的制度不要再讓年輕人"},{"start":10641.242,"end":10647.281,"text":"謝謝審發會委員的發言接下來請張志倫委員發言陳俊宇委員請準備"},{"start":10659.79,"end":10686.686,"text":"院長各位同仁大家好政府不是營利事業年金改革應該在財政安全與政府誠信間取得平衡不能為了達到改革目的抹殺警察消防海巡及移民空勤等機關等公務人員過去對國家付出與努力政府應基於信賴保護原則在年金改革的過程中保障其應有之權利"},{"start":10687.586,"end":10710.388,"text":"今天警察人員人事條例第35條修正草案不只是對警察、消防、海巡及移民空勤機關等警察人員進一步的保障更是還給他們一個公道本次修法的目的是因為警察、消防、海巡及移民空勤等人員工作性質特殊"},{"start":10711.128,"end":10727.323,"text":"而且因公殉職死亡傷殘人數與各類公務人占比最高屬於高危勞性職務在這個會期我們也放寬了因公死亡因公殉職的認定條件如果是暴力已致死亡者"},{"start":10728.684,"end":10748.112,"text":"則認定為因公殉職保護他們的生命權我們即將修法保護他們的財產權消法調整每月退休所得替代率任職滿15年者替代率為43.25每多任職一年增加1.75%最高增加到"},{"start":10751.527,"end":10778.295,"text":"認滿36年為80%認滿37年到40年維持80%讓退休人員保障更為周延以警消人員為例警消人員的考取方式工作性質不但是隨時待命生活作息也不正常往往面對高壓力高勞力又要隨機應變的狀況甚至是冒著工作危險在執行工作"},{"start":10778.888,"end":10795.707,"text":"因此應該給予較合理之照顧最後成功勝最後一里路這次的警察人士的修法是呼應所有辛苦的第一線的執行人員的心聲我們一定會"},{"start":10797.39,"end":10819.475,"text":"秉持程序正義以及信賴保護公平正義原則所以最後致輪拜託各位委員我們一起為警察消防海巡及移民空勤等機關的人員在薪資福利執行安全及撫恤的各方面一起爭取更多的權益以上感謝大家"},{"start":10821.696,"end":10828.512,"text":"谢谢张志伦委员发言接下来我们请陈俊宇委员发言苏清泉委员请准备"},{"start":10845.776,"end":10874.839,"text":"好 主席 各位同仁這次我們警察人員人事條例的修法對於現行退府制度的影響姿勢體大不論是警消海巡還是公職體系的同仁都竭盡所能的為國家人民來做服務而公務人員退府基金財務若能健全的運作能夠保護同仁的退休權益過去我們的退府基金曾經因為"},{"start":10877.133,"end":10903.746,"text":"根本性的這個問題面臨即將破產的一個困境包括這個月推啟資年齡偏低所得替代率偏高還有債值待遇相近等問題那導致退伍基金收支嚴重的失衡出現財務的缺口出現提早用慶的這個危機直到過去蔡政府上任之後推動年金改革透過"},{"start":10904.625,"end":10932.43,"text":"制度設計上的進行改善讓年金可以朝向合理化健全化永續化的這個目標來發展得以延續基金的運作維持一個世代的穩定進一步能夠永續經營讓世代都能夠領得到我相信這才是最重要的那警消同仁的這個輪班制度危險和辛勞的程度政府當然要給予充分的保障不論是對於現職人員的這個"},{"start":10934.531,"end":10936.256,"text":"鳳姐或是今天都應該爭取"},{"start":10938.191,"end":10966.402,"text":"更為優厚的福利尤其我們這幾天接獲到基層員警的懲請現在他們所面臨的困境是高工時過多的業務量造成難以兼顧家庭育兒以及身心的健康改善基層警察的職場工作環境或許是現階段更需要被解決的問題要保障我們警消退休的生活也應該以"},{"start":10967.782,"end":10988.772,"text":"年金的這個永續和健全為優先考量能夠讓世代的景銷都有穩定的退休條件才是退府制度的一個目標同時要各職業別的這個公平性能夠兼顧健全的保障年金永續和社會世代的正義三者之間的"},{"start":10989.952,"end":11012.532,"text":"平衡如果按照今天我們所修正的這個版本通過是否會造成限職人員的難以維持甚至將所得替代率提高到80%將會使得基金用慶的年度提早兩年影響參加基金的所有人員權益義務應該要對等公平的一個核心原則"},{"start":11014.687,"end":11036.762,"text":"和年金的健全甚為重要制度變革更應該考慮到每一個成員和世代直接變動制度是否能兼顧保障和永續我希望各位委員能夠詳加謝謝陳建宇委員的發言接下來我們請蘇清泉委員發言"},{"start":11049.861,"end":11059.733,"text":"主席 我們各位立委同仁還有媒體朋友 大家好我們警察 消防 海巡 空勤 移民署等這些人員"},{"start":11061.109,"end":11085.064,"text":"工作性質特殊必須24小時輪值因公殉職傷亡的人數高於公務人員2017年到2021年警察相關因公殉職跟受傷的高達4000多人同一個時期我們的國防我們的軍方人員才100多人所以這個明顯的"},{"start":11087.902,"end":11114.08,"text":"危險性更高那我們消防人員更是傷亡慘重那移民署的各位知道現在外籍移工已經高達75萬人裡面還有將近8萬多個是逃跑的那每年還增加5萬人左右所以這些移民署專勤隊大家也是忙得非常連氧馬翻所以跟大家報告還有空勤人員"},{"start":11116.382,"end":11132.111,"text":"馬薩爾的船隻台南外海的船隻都是在很惡劣的颱風天然後他們要跟國軍搜救隊一起配合事實上兩個是互為表裡那現在我們兩岸情勢緊張面臨戰爭的風險"},{"start":11135.212,"end":11154.338,"text":"行政院對於中共的武力換台擴編保二總隊叫做第二陸軍暫時的時候要保護科學園區、電廠、天然氣場等關鍵設施海巡署更誇張叫做第二海軍新增的海巡艦艇"},{"start":11157.014,"end":11173.756,"text":"一艘接著一艘專備戰備跟軍方是表裡合一互為支援高度一致性事實上幾乎是一模一樣的工作性質然後兩個退休制度是完全不一樣剛剛民進黨朋友講的我們"},{"start":11175.974,"end":11196.96,"text":"都聽到了但是我跟大家報告面臨兵兇戰委詐騙、毒品、犯罪我們要賴於警察的執法台灣警察我們有看過他們的平均壽命是69歲多我們的全國百姓的平均壽命是81歲不是剛剛講的78歲,沒那麼高所以打擊犯罪"},{"start":11203.151,"end":11231.857,"text":"保護人民又要戰爭的時候又要跟大家一起來打仗所以不要叫馬兒跑還要馬兒都不要吃草警察的朋友跟我講他們平常跟罪犯打擊要被壞人砍殺退休之後要被我們的政府繼續砍這樣是沒有道理的希望大家將心比心 謝謝"},{"start":11236.78,"end":11239.621,"text":"謝謝蘇青維委員的發言報言會我們現在進行逐條討論現在請宣讀第七條條文"},{"start":11246.653,"end":11267.385,"text":"第七條 出任警察官時 應宣誓 誓詞如下與事已致成 可遵國家法令 盡忠職守 報效國家依法執行任務 行使職權 勤儆謙和 為民服務如為誓言 願受最嚴厲之處罰 警示宣讀完畢請問院會對本條 照審查會條文通過 有無意見"},{"start":11272.847,"end":11294.362,"text":"沒有意見我們第七條照審查會條文通過請宣讀第十條條文第十條初任警察官是年齡不得超過下列規定一警佐40歲二警政45歲三警監50歲升官等任用者不受傾向限制宣讀完畢請問院會對於本條照審查會條文通過有意見"},{"start":11298.939,"end":11305.174,"text":"沒有意見 我們第十條照審查會條文通過請宣讀第十一條"},{"start":11306.161,"end":11333.671,"text":"第十一條 警察官之任官資格如下一 警察員考試及格者二 承認警察官經依法升官等任用者三 本條例實行前承認警察官依法循序合格者警察官之任用除具被前項更換資格之意外職務等階最高列警政三階以上應經警察大學或警官學校畢業或訓練合格職務等階最高列警政四階以上"},{"start":11334.531,"end":11352.924,"text":"英京警察大學警官學校警察專科學校或警察學校畢業或訓練合格宣讀完畢學院會本條照審查會條文通過有無異議沒有異議我們第十一條照審查會條文通過我們請宣讀第十二條條文"},{"start":11353.649,"end":11369.088,"text":"第十二条警察人员考试及格者取得任官资格如下以高等考试一级考试或特种考试警察人员考试一等考试及格者取得警证一级任官资格而高等考试二等考试或特种考试警察人员考试"},{"start":11369.528,"end":11385.364,"text":"二等考試及格者取得警政三期熱管資格三高等考試三級考試或特種考試警察員考試三等考試及格者取得警政四期熱管資格四普通考試或特種考試警察員考試"},{"start":11386.605,"end":11409.215,"text":"四等考試及格者取得警左三階任官資格五 初等考試或大眾考試警察人員考試五等考試及格者取得警左四階任官資格前項第一款至第三款所列各等級考試及格人員如相當官階職務可資任官時得先以第一官階任官宣讀完畢"},{"start":11409.855,"end":11431.883,"text":"全議會本條照審查會條文通過有意見沒有意見無異議我們第十二條照審查會條文通過請宣讀第十五條第十五條本條例實行前經英法全序合格現任警察官職官等以下列規定改任一 檢任改任請監二 監任改任請政三 委任改任請坐宣讀完畢"},{"start":11433.447,"end":11438.479,"text":"請問院會本條照審查會條文通過有異面議我們第15條條文照審查會條文通過請宣讀第16條條文"},{"start":11442.54,"end":11469.344,"text":"第十六條警察官出任各官等及警監各官階時均應任官程序如下一 警監 警船由內政部核轉全序部全序審定合格後陳請總統任官二 警組由內政部核轉全序部全序審定合格後任官或由指向市政府核轉全序部全序審定合格後報內政部任官宣讀完畢"},{"start":11470.066,"end":11484.632,"text":"全院會本條照審查會條文通過有異議沒有異議我們第16條照審查會條文通過請宣讀第21條條文第21條警察職務之臨任權限劃分如下1."},{"start":11484.632,"end":11487.673,"text":"僅簽職務由內政部學長或報請行政院臨任2."},{"start":11487.673,"end":11496.977,"text":"僅證警組職務由內政部臨任或將由直轄市政府臨任宣讀完畢全院會本條照審查會條文通過有異議"},{"start":11498.885,"end":11499.546,"text":"沒有異議我們第21條照審查會條文通過請宣讀第23條條文"},{"start":11506.699,"end":11530.874,"text":"23.本封致志给出任警政或警卓者其等级期许规定如下1.高等考试一级考试或特种考试警察人员考试一等考试及格以警政一阶任用自一阶三级期许先以警政二阶任用者自二阶一级期许2.高等考试二等考试或特种考试警察人员考试二等考试及格以警政三阶任用"},{"start":11531.394,"end":11549.328,"text":"自三階三級期序 先以警政四階任用者自四階一級期序三 高等考試三級考試或特種考試警察人考試三等考試及格以警政四階任用 自四階三級期序先以警組一階任用者自一階一級期序"},{"start":11550.289,"end":11577.322,"text":"四 普通考試或特種考試警察人員考試四等考試及格以警佐三接任用自三接三級期序五 初等考試或特種考試警察人員考試五等考試及格自警佐四接六級期序宣讀完畢請願會本條照審查會條文通過有異議沒有異議我們第二十三條照審查會條文通過請宣讀第三十四條條文"},{"start":11577.97,"end":11607.513,"text":"第34條 辦理考機程序如下一 內政部警政署與所屬警察機關學校各縣市警察局及警察大學警察人員之考機由內政部或授權之警察機關學校核定後送全序部全序審定二 直轄市政府警察局警監人員之考機由直轄市政府核定後送內政部轉全序部全序審定其餘人員之考機由直轄市政府核定後送全序部全序審定"},{"start":11608.211,"end":11635.06,"text":"宣讀完畢請問院會本條照審查會條文通過有無異議沒有異議我們第34條照審查會條文通過報告院會依照黨團共識我們第35條含副表3僅宣讀院會所收再修正動議其餘條文均列入公報記錄我們請宣讀第35條含副表3再修正動議"},{"start":11636.403,"end":11648.51,"text":"國民黨黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團共同提案在修正動議第35條警察人員之退休處以下列規定外適用公務人員退休自檢撫恤法之規定1."},{"start":11648.51,"end":11658.877,"text":"警罪以上的人居有危險及勞力等特殊性質職務者其退休年齡得依照公務人員退休自檢撫恤法之規定準與降低"},{"start":11659.497,"end":11676.007,"text":"二 在执行勤务中遭受暴力或意外危害至身心障碍不堪深润职务并依公务人员退休之前抚恤法命令退休者其退休金主义规定按因公伤病标准给予外另加发5至15个基数"},{"start":11676.767,"end":11698.118,"text":"技术内涵均依所任职务最高等间年供奉最高奉给计算三 领有勋章奖奖者得加发退休金四 警察 消防 海岸巡防 移民及公众勤务总队人员之每月退休所得其替代率应依退休人员选定之退休年资照付表三所定替代率计算"},{"start":11698.798,"end":11721.812,"text":"任职满15年者替代率为43.25%其后每增加一年替代率增给1.75%最高增至36年为80%任职满37年之第40年者维持80%未满一年之积领年资按比率计算未满一个月者以一个月计"},{"start":11723.353,"end":11741.527,"text":"前項第四款之規定 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七成 占成 適度調高 經景的退休金你在細目裡面去看20歲到29歲 支持要調高的73%"},{"start":12136.444,"end":12155.281,"text":"30歲到39歲高達80.2%40到49歲72.9%不只沒有民進黨講的世代對立這是不分世代所有年齡層所有教育北共同支持我們來提高經營的退休的保障更重要的"},{"start":12156.175,"end":12181.512,"text":"民國106年的年金改革很多背景跟原因現在都已經完全不一樣了民進黨現在是在裝傻還是眼睛瞎了還是劇烈造謠在霸凌我們的金工教在年改之前我們的財政確實是困難的可是年改後這幾年我們的稅收年年超增在民國110年的時候我們的稅收"},{"start":12184.298,"end":12188.46,"text":"超生了4327億117年超生了5237億112年超生3860億去年最新的統計光是到11月喔已經超生了5100億"},{"start":12200.011,"end":12219.235,"text":"我們的國家從沒有錢變成有錢了啦更重要的我們的退伏基金的投資效益年金改革之前前10年很多時候還是虧損的平均下來投資的報酬率只有2.67%大家知道嗎年金改革完之後我們的投資報酬率激增到10%增加了將近4倍"},{"start":12223.716,"end":12243.929,"text":"我們的退伏基金裡面水庫這個盈餘是有的怎麼像民進黨講的什麼提早兩年破產啊我給大家看一個數據光是去年啊到十月份的統計 幾年幾年啊我們的投資 這個基金的投資的收益啊報酬率15.83%去年一年就賺了1436億"},{"start":12247.861,"end":12272.922,"text":"大家有精算過嗎今天我們修正完過了之後增加的只有20億除以下光是去年投資報酬增加的可以多了70幾年把前年的算進去可以有100多年所以請民進黨眼睛張開好不好不要再睜眼說瞎話而且不要再誤導民眾了我們讓所有的軍公教他們工作有生年退休有保障謝謝"},{"start":12276.783,"end":12277.403,"text":"主席 在場的委員先進很好"},{"start":12301.275,"end":12328.253,"text":"終於可以來對焦對話了剛剛牛委員提到說為什麼獨厚均值所得替代90%為什麼公教僅銷所得替代65%所以呢為了公平起見要僅銷優先提升到80%那意味著以後公教僅銷都一律要回復到80%是這樣的意思嗎公平是這樣比較的嗎我告訴大家"},{"start":12329.622,"end":12358.478,"text":"公平不是現在公教警校跟軍人都領一樣的所得替代率公平是你當年你的提撥跟你退休之後領的年金要相稱剛剛我用一個比方我說你在職的時候去搭伙餐廳你交多少錢以便你退休之後每個月可以吃什麼樣的菜色哪有人退休之後就說我當時沒有提撥這些錢我退休的菜色要跟人家一樣好"},{"start":12359.198,"end":12384.865,"text":"沒有這樣的道理至於說為什麼景蕭比較危牢沒有給他特別的待遇有啊景蕭啊50歲就可以自願退休了比一般的公教提早10年55歲就可以領月退休了比一般的公教也是提早10年但是有因此而跟君子有什麼不公平嗎為什麼君子可以九成呢剛好就用牛委員說的"},{"start":12387.485,"end":12395.775,"text":"55歲 領月退 退休的錦囂他如果是以警政事階相當於公務人員六職等相當於軍職上位"},{"start":12396.926,"end":12421.805,"text":"他在20歲僅專畢業做了35年55歲退休的時候他的奉典是525奉典他可以領到9萬3千元同樣的值等的軍職上位軍官他服役15年22歲37歲退伍他的月薪那時候只能領到4萬2千元所得利率9成他只能領到3萬8"},{"start":12423.306,"end":12444.988,"text":"警員呢 武術的退休所得替代率若是八成的話 拜託可以領到了七萬五剛剛很多同仁都講了 七萬五比14值等的現職人員 比退休的14值等的公務員還要高14值等是次長 比退休的教授領的還要高"},{"start":12446.112,"end":12472.552,"text":"所以軍警消他們在不同的餐廳搭伙用不同的費率提撥只是軍人因為服役退休的早退伍的早我們所得替代率九成看起來很高事實上他退伍的時候他的薪俸是較低的警察同樣五十五歲退休的時候他的俸典高所得替代率六成五足以啊"},{"start":12473.339,"end":12494.449,"text":"所以不要把這些水庫掏空了吃虧的是誰吃虧的是現在在職的公教警校這才是謝謝鍾嘉斌委員的發言我們現在依序進行表決如果其中有一案通過我們就不再處理其他案"},{"start":12495.849,"end":12504.986,"text":"剛才院會有休息所以我們現在必須重新按鈴七分鐘請議事人員分發表決卡現在開始按鈴"},{"start":12555.823,"end":12560.206,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":12752.62,"end":12768.401,"text":"記者室現在只有四個房間了,好像不太夠,他們再幫他們整一個房間,記者室記者室需要再一個嗎?對,不夠,可能要再找一間比較好,我給你買一個,記者室四間嘛,找一間比較好,我們再找一個"},{"start":12858.103,"end":12859.369,"text":"这些远处都叫做高雷高楼"},{"start":12932.069,"end":12945.596,"text":"歡迎會我們現在本條含附表3照國民黨黨團及台灣民眾黨黨團共同所提再修正動議條文含附表3通過請問願會有無異議有異議有異議的話我們要表決"},{"start":12955.796,"end":12956.176,"text":"我們現在進行表決現在開始"},{"start":13057.045,"end":13058.707,"text":"抱怨會報告表決結果好 謝謝好 謝謝報告表決結果"},{"start":13083.14,"end":13095.429,"text":"各黨團幹部約束一下我們報告表決結果我們報告表決結果謝謝報告表決結果出席110位"},{"start":13109.78,"end":13131.889,"text":"贊成60位反對49位棄權1位我們贊成者多數第35條含附表3我們照國民黨團及台灣民眾黨團共同所提再修正動議條文含附表3通過請選讀第36條條文"},{"start":13136.391,"end":13152.609,"text":"36.檢查原址撫恤處以下列規定外,適用公務人員退休之前撫恤法治規定,依在執行勤務中殉職者,其撫恤金、金屬內含依其所任職等最高等級年公分最高控制計算,並比照陣地殉職人員交發撫恤金。"},{"start":13153.55,"end":13172.55,"text":"二、領有勳章獎賞者得加發撫恤金警察人員在本條例中華民國九十三年八月十九日修正之條文施行前要簽交第一款刑刑其一族聖人之領年撫恤金者其年撫恤金之給予自修正條文施行之日其准用本條例之規定"},{"start":13173.471,"end":13175.312,"text":"全院會對本條照審查會審查的條文通過有異議"},{"start":13203.544,"end":13210.736,"text":"沒有異議我們第36條照審查會條文通過法院會全案已經經過二讀現在依照黨團共識我們繼續進行三讀請宣讀經過二讀這條文"},{"start":13217.967,"end":13234.65,"text":"第七条,出任警察官时,应宣誓事词如下,于事已制成客尊国家法令,尽忠职守报效国家依法执行任务,行使职权,勤俭谦和为民服务,如外誓言愿受最严厉之处罚,谨誓。"},{"start":13235.811,"end":13258.798,"text":"第十条 出任警察官至年零不得超过下令规定一 请坐四十岁二 请站四十五岁三 请见五十岁身份等任用者不受前项限制第十一条 警察官之任官资格如下一 检查员考试及格者二 曾任警察官进医法身份等任用者三 被逃离事情前曾任警察官医法循序合格者"},{"start":13259.478,"end":13287.214,"text":"警察官宣任永除具备前项各款资格之意外职务等级最高列警政三阶以上应经警察大学或警官学校毕业或训练合格职务等级最高列警政四阶以上应经警察大学警官学校警察专科学校或警察学校毕业或训练合格第十二条警察人员考试及考试者取得任官资格如下一高等考试及考试或在总考试警察人员考试"},{"start":13287.754,"end":13315.18,"text":"一等考試及格者取得警政一階任官資格二 高等考試二級考試或特種考試警察人員考試二等考試及格者取得警政三階任官資格三 高等考試三級考試或特種考試警察人員考試三等考試及格者取得警政四階任官資格四 普通考試或特種考試警察人員考試四等考試及格者取得警組三階任官資格"},{"start":13315.74,"end":13332.992,"text":"五 初等考生或特种考试警察人员考试五等考试及格者取得金座四阶任官资格前线用第一款是第三款锁列各等级考试及格人员如无相当关接职务可增任官时得先以第一关接任官第十五条"},{"start":13346.641,"end":13371.333,"text":"第十六条警察官出任各官党籍警监各官监时均应任官程序如下一 警监谨证由内政部核转选序部全序审定合格后全请总统任官二 警组由内政部核转全序部审定全序部全序审定合格后任官或由指向市政府核转全序部全序审定合格后报内政部任官"},{"start":13373.581,"end":13401.696,"text":"第二十一条 警察职务职联任权限划分如下一 警政职务由内政部领任或报警行政院领任二 警政警察职务由内政部领任或交友职辖市政府领任第二十三条 本奉之资给出任警政或警察者其等级持续规定如下一 高等考试一级考试或特种考试警察人员考试一等考试及格以警政一阶任用"},{"start":13402.176,"end":13421.063,"text":"自一階三級期序先以警政二階任用者自二階一級期序而高等考試二等二級考試或特種考試警察人考試二等考試及格以警政三階任用自三階三級期序先以警政四階任用者自四階一級期序"},{"start":13422.523,"end":13450.038,"text":"3.高等考试三级考试或特种考试警察人员考试三等考试及格以警阵四阶任用自四阶三级起序先以警组一阶任用者自一阶一级起序4.普通考试或特种考试警察人员考试四等考试及格以警组三阶任用自三阶三级起序5.初等考试或特种考试警察人员考试五等考试及格自警组四阶六级起序"},{"start":13451.926,"end":13467.962,"text":"第34條辦理考機程序如下依內政部警政署與所屬警察機關學校各縣市警察局及警察大學警察人員之考機由內政部或授權之警察機關學校核定後送全序部全序審定"},{"start":13468.803,"end":13482.206,"text":"2.直销市政府警察局警惕人员之口机由直销市政府核定后送内政部转全序部全序审定其余人员之口机由直销市政府核定后送全序部全序审定"},{"start":13484.178,"end":13502.637,"text":"第35条警察人员之退休处于下列规定外适用公务人员退休自检服续法制规定因警署影像担任具有危险及劳力等特殊性质疾务者其退休年龄等依照公务人员退休自检服续法制规定处于较低"},{"start":13503.837,"end":13527.603,"text":"2.在执行勤务中遭受暴力或意外危害至身心障碍不堪身刃职务并依公务人员退休资权抚恤法命令退休者其退休金处以规定按因公伤病标准给予外另加发5至15个技术技术内涵均依所任职务最高等间年过分最高奉请计算"},{"start":13528.963,"end":13546.4,"text":"三 林佑勋章奖奖者得将发退休金四 警察消防海岸巡防移民及空中勤务总队人员之每月退休所得其替代率应依退休人员选定之退休年资照附表三锁定替代率计算任职满15年者替代率为43.25%"},{"start":13549.142,"end":13577.987,"text":"其后每增加一年替代率增给1.75%最后增至36年为80%任职满37年之第40年者维持80%未满一年之积领年资按比率计算未满一个月者以一个月计前项第四款之规定于本条例中华民国114年1月7日修正制条文公布施行前退休生效者亦需用之该等人员应按限职同等级人员之"},{"start":13578.667,"end":13596.316,"text":"待遇标准重新计算每月退休所得并随正值同等级人员本年供奉时调整为调整因第一项提升款及前项税修正所剩公务人员退休补税基金增加之支出行政院因每年次公务预算办理拨布"},{"start":13597.833,"end":13621.397,"text":"警察人員在本條例中華民國九十三年八月十九日修正條文實行前由第一項第二款進行現場之領獲兼領略退休金者其略退休金之給予自修正條文實行之日期准用本條例之規定第一項第二款及第三款將發退休金之退效基礎金額及其他相關事項值標準由協計院考試人會同定之"},{"start":13621.937,"end":13639.483,"text":"第一项第二款及第二项人员已所任职务最高等级年工赋最高赋及计算师退休金公于全续审定合格等级计算师退休金者其差额由主管机关编列预算支给第35条付表如二读付表"},{"start":13643.855,"end":13660.704,"text":"36.警察人员之抚恤处以下列规定为需用公务人员退出自行抚恤法之规定1.在执行勤务中训职者其抚恤金基础内涵依其所任职务最高等级年公共最高副级计算并比重征地训职人员交换抚恤金"},{"start":13661.284,"end":13676.113,"text":"而领有虚张奖赏者得加发回续金即将原债本条例中华民国九十三年八月十九日修缮阶段的续行前有签下提款进行其一如信仁之灵连回续金者其连回续金追击欲"},{"start":13676.813,"end":13703.349,"text":"此修认条文实行之日请遵用本条律师规定第一项第二款加发抚恤金标准在不同领文层上比较退休金加发标准发给第一项第一款及第二项依所任职务最高等级年功夫最高户籍计算之抚恤金公于全序审定合格等级计算之抚恤金者其差额由主管机关编列预算支给宣读完毕"},{"start":13704.895,"end":13717.175,"text":"法院會三讀條文均已宣讀完畢請問有文字修正沒有修正我們現在做以下決議警察人員人事條例第七條"},{"start":13718.427,"end":13720.208,"text":"第10條 第11條 第12條 第15條 第16條 第21條 第23條 第34條 第35條及第36條條文修正通過"},{"start":13745.68,"end":13760.393,"text":"國務院會我們現在繼續處理好 謝謝我們現在繼續處理院會所收民進黨黨團附帶決議共一項請議事人員宣讀附帶決議之內容"},{"start":13773.427,"end":13796.31,"text":"民進黨黨團附帶決議警察人員人事條例之修法明顯違反憲法第七條平等原則違憲顯而易見故強烈主張本次修法後立法院不應知請總統公佈 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各位今天國民黨跟民眾黨聯合推動了反對年金改革掏空退府基金的這一個修法工作單獨挑一種行業讓這個行業的已退休者可以領得所得替代率增高用這種方式來剝奪世代的正義我告訴各位"},{"start":21989.599,"end":22006.047,"text":"單獨挑一種職業來提高接下來就會挑第二種職業就會挑第三種職業直接把退府基金給掏空而且現在拉出來的所得替代率比還沒有年金改革之前的還要高"},{"start":22007.339,"end":22027.097,"text":"這些錢到最後誰付就是剛剛成為警察的人要付剛剛成為公務人員的人要付年輕的基層的警察年輕的基層的公務員接下來就要承擔退府基金可能破產的風險"},{"start":22028.373,"end":22054.26,"text":"到最後還是要從年輕的基層的這一些同仁裡頭大家要繳更多的錢這就是民眾黨口中的世代爭議這就是國民黨口中的世代爭議他們用這一種操作不同的年資不同的行業想要來騙選票"},{"start":22056.55,"end":22082.316,"text":"到最後會讓年輕世代發現原來國民黨跟民眾黨在操作的是一場騙局接下來還會針對別的行業進行這樣的改革這種走回頭路反對年金改革的做法最後一定會被發現最後也會被揭穿"},{"start":22083.322,"end":22103.249,"text":"好,謝謝王委員下一位請洪孟楷委員發言請陳培宇委員準備主席、各位同仁"},{"start":22104.232,"end":22128.431,"text":"今天在做人事條例的一個三讀在三讀之前我們一直聽到不管是執政黨的委員民進黨的委員一直上來一直在勤勒勤勒什麼勤勒講說現在政府對於警消以及相關的基層人員已經很好啦已經有在改革啦政府但是確實事實是如此嗎我們要說政府其實應該是所有"},{"start":22129.892,"end":22153.694,"text":"錦囂、海巡、移民、空勤等相關基層人員的後盾才對但是怎麼反而過去到現在卻變成是改革的阻礙還有臉說嘴嗎這十年裡面不管是職安法不管是組工會還是各種的改革議題呢政府的態度是什麼說實在話政府的態度所有基層大家都知道"},{"start":22154.375,"end":22172.592,"text":"人事總署一直講說用財政困難四個字來擋擋危險加急 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本中心臨派專業人員駐境外辦事之核准之其他依法律所為之監督宣讀完畢"},{"start":24755.663,"end":24776.978,"text":"照審查會條文通過第23條第23條監督機關應邀請有關機關代表、學者專家及社會公正人士辦理本中興趣技巧評鑑且學者專家及社會公正人士之人數不得少於二分之一前向評鑑成員任意姓名不得少於總人數三分之一"},{"start":24777.578,"end":24805.971,"text":"第一項績效評鑑制成員次的條件聆聘程序績效評鑑制方式程序及其他相關事項之辦法由監督儘管定之績效評鑑制內容如下一本中興年度執行整合之考核二本中興業務績效及目標達成率之評量三本中興年度自籌款比率達成率四本中興經費合波之建議五其他有關事項宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第四章"},{"start":24806.604,"end":24825.218,"text":"第四章 會計及財務宣讀完畢照審查會長名通過第24條第24條 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債股機關合撥本中心基金資金費應依法定預算程序辦理並受審計監督債股機關合撥資金費超過本中心當年度預算收入來源50%者應由監督機關將其年度預算書送立法院審議本中心自主裁員及其運用管理相關事項由本中心奠定收支管理規章報警監督機關被查宣讀完畢"},{"start":25010.816,"end":25032.271,"text":"照審查會條文通過第二十九條第二十九條本中心所舉借之債務已據自償性職者違憲並因先送監督機關核定預算執行結果如有不能自償之餘時應即檢討提出改善措施報請監督機關核定宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第三十條"},{"start":25033.001,"end":25060.271,"text":"第三十條本中限制採購租業因本公開公正之原則處符合我國地結之條約協定或政府採購法第四條第一項所定情形因依各該規定辦理外不是用政府採購法之規定其採購租業實施規章應報請監督機關核定前項因依政府採購法第四條第一項規定辦理之採購與其他法律另有規定者從其規定宣讀完畢"},{"start":25060.911,"end":25062.515,"text":"照審查會條例通過第31條"},{"start":25063.888,"end":25090.067,"text":"第三十一條本中心之相關資訊應依政府資訊公開法相關規定公開之其年度財務報表年度業務資訊及年度績效評鑑報告應主動公開前項年度績效評鑑報告應由監督機關提交分析報告送立法院備查必要時立法院得要求監督機關首長率同本中心之董事長執行長或相關主管之立法院報告隱喻狀況並備詢宣讀完畢"},{"start":25092.449,"end":25109.935,"text":"照審查會條文通過第五章第五章負責宣讀完畢照審查會章名通過第32條第32條對於本中心之行政處分不符者得依訴願法規定向監督機關提起訴願宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第33條"},{"start":25111.345,"end":25140.322,"text":"第三十三條本中心因情勢偏恩或績效部長之不能達成其設立目的時由監督機關提請行政院同意後解散之本中心解散時其人員應終止契約其剩餘產產歸屬國戶其相關權利義務由監督機關概括承受宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第三十四條第三十四條本條例實行日期由行政院定之宣讀完畢"},{"start":25141.058,"end":25152.365,"text":"照審查會條文通過報告委員會全案經過二讀現依黨團共識繼續進行三讀請宣讀經過二讀之條文國家運動產業發展中心設置條例第一章總則第一條為建構優質運動產業環境促進運動產業發展特設國家運動產業發展中心以下簡訊版中心並制定本條例"},{"start":25171.294,"end":25191.322,"text":"第二条本中心为行政法人其监督机关为运动部第三条本中心之业务范围如下一运动产业之调查统计及研究发展二运动产业专业人才之培育与媒合及国际交流三运动产业营运与投融资质辅导咨询及协助"},{"start":25192.402,"end":25215.169,"text":"四 运动产业资产之规划建制治理局应用五 运动产品或服务之价值运用与市场拓展及商业模式之营运管理六 公有私有运动场域与学校场地开放及社区运动俱乐部设置之辅导七 竞技运动全民化与全民运动产业化之推动及辅导"},{"start":25215.849,"end":25223.254,"text":"八 運動賽事產業化傳播行銷規劃與平台建立之諮詢及協助九 其他與運動產業相關之業務"},{"start":25227.369,"end":25247.827,"text":"第四條本中心經費來源如下一運動發展基金所獲運動彩券發行於或其他政府預算之合摸及捐補助二國內外公司力機構團體及個人之捐贈三受託研究及提供服務之收入四其他收入前向第二款之捐贈是同對政府之捐贈"},{"start":25250.748,"end":25272.139,"text":"第五條本中心應奠定組織章程人事管理跨界制度內部控制集合作業及其他規章提經董事會通過後報請監督機關被查本中心就執行之公共事務在不抵觸有關法律或法規命令之範圍內得奠定規章並提經董事會通過後報請監督機關被查"},{"start":25275.731,"end":25294.844,"text":"第二章组织第六条本中心设董事会之董事十一人至十五人由监督机关就下列人员临选提请行政院院长聘争之解聘时议同一政府相关机关代表二与运动产业相关之学者专家三民间企业经营管理专家"},{"start":25296.451,"end":25312.425,"text":"及對國家體育運動有重大貢獻之社會人士前向第一款式董事不得於董事總人數三分之一第二款式董事不得少於董事總人數二分之一第一項董事任意性別不得少於董事總人數三分之一"},{"start":25314.403,"end":25332.823,"text":"第七条本中心制监视三人由监督机关就聚运动产业法律或外籍等相关学士经验者临选提请协议院院长聘任之截聘时一同监视应互选一人为常务监视第一项监视任意性别不得少于监视总人数三分之一"},{"start":25335.322,"end":25363.565,"text":"第八條 董事監視任期為四年期滿的續聘制但續聘人數不等於總人數三分之二不等少於三分之一代表政府金關處任職董事應依其職務異動改聘依第六條第一項第二環第三環及前條第一項聘任者董事監視任期屆滿前出缺者由監督金關領選提請行政院院長補聘制其任期至原任者任期屆滿時為止"},{"start":25366.809,"end":25385.482,"text":"第九條有項獵情事質疑者不得聘人為董事監視一 受監護宣告或輔助宣告尚未撤銷二 受有期徒刑上刑之判決確定而未受緩刑之宣告三 受破產宣告或依消費者債務限累條例經法院裁定開始清算程序尚未復權"},{"start":25386.703,"end":25413.479,"text":"四 持奪公权 身为父权 董事监事有前项骑行之一或无故连续不出席不列席董事会会议 达三次者应予解聘董事监事有下列各款情事之一者得予解聘一 行为不简或品性不端 至影响本中心形象有确实证据二 工作执行不利或贷户指责 有具体事实或违反聘约情节重大"},{"start":25414.179,"end":25432.744,"text":"三 當屆知識本中心年度績效憑藉連續二年未達監督機關鎖定標準四 違反公務人員行政中立法執行事有確實證據五 就主管事件接受關稅或請託或利用職務關係接受招待或饋贈至損害公益或本中心利益有確實證據"},{"start":25434.844,"end":25439.407,"text":"6.非因职务制需要动用本中心产权有确实证据7."},{"start":25439.407,"end":25445.37,"text":"违反第14条或第15条第一项利益回避规定有确实证据8."},{"start":25445.37,"end":25462.279,"text":"其他不是董事监视职位之行为请向各馆进行监督机关与解聘前应给予当事人陈述意见及声明之机会本中心董事监视之聆聘解聘补聘之方式及其他相关事项之办法由监督机关定之"},{"start":25464.198,"end":25486.466,"text":"第十條本中心致董事長一人由監督機關就董事中提請行政院院長聘證之解聘時一同董事長之聘證解聘補聘之方式及其他相關事項之辦法由監督機關定之董事長對內送禮本中心一切事務對外代表本中心其因故不能執行職務時由其指定之董事代行職權"},{"start":25487.566,"end":25500.835,"text":"不能指定是由董事互退一人代行职权董事长出任年龄不得于六十五岁任期届满前年满七十岁者应即更换但有特殊考量进行证明核准者不在此限"},{"start":25502.864,"end":25528.602,"text":"第十一条 董事会之职权如下一 发展目标及进化之审议二 年度业务进化之审议三 年度预算及决算报告之审议四 贵乡之审议五 自由不动产处分或其设定负担之审议六 本条例锁定应经董事会决议事项之审议七 执行者任免之同意八 经费之筹募九 其他重大事项之审议"},{"start":25531.638,"end":25551.347,"text":"第十二条 董事会每三个月开会一次必要时的召开临时会议由董事长召集并担任主席董事会会议应有过半数董事之出席其决议应有出席董事过半数之同意但减调第一款至第七款之决议应有董事总人数过半数之同意"},{"start":25553.601,"end":25579.722,"text":"第十三條 監事師職權如下一 年度業務決算之審核二 業務財務狀況之監督三 財務政策 文件及財產資料之集合四 其他重大事項之審核及集合監事單獨行使職權乘務監事應代表全體監事列席董事會會議第十四條 董事監事相互簽不得有配偶及三親等以內血親姻親之關係"},{"start":25581.587,"end":25607.358,"text":"第15條 董事監事執行長及其關係人之利益迴避事項依公職與利益衝突迴避法之規定辦理違反前項規定之本中心受有損害者行為者應對其負損害賠償責任第一項人員違反公職與利益衝突迴避法之規定者處以該法規定處罰外監督警官並得為適當之處置其處置規定由監督警官定之"},{"start":25609.13,"end":25630.697,"text":"第十六條 董事常務監事應親自出席列席董事會會議 不得委託他人代理出席第十七條 本中心之董事長得為專任或兼任 專任者之報酬由監督機關核定之 兼任者為無己職本中心之董事常務監事及監事均為無己職"},{"start":25633.703,"end":25659.97,"text":"第十八條本中心致執行長一人專任由董事長提請董事會通過候評人之解聘許一同執行長依本中心規章董事會之決議及董事長之授權執行本中心業務並督導所屬人員第九條第一項是第四項第十條第四項第十四條及第二十二條第六款有關董事及董事長之規定於執行長准用之"},{"start":25662.287,"end":25686.674,"text":"第十九条本中心禁用职人员依本中心转室管理规章办理不具公务人员身份其权利义务关系应于契约中明定董事监事执行长之配偶及其三卿等一内写卿应卿不得担任本中心总务会计及人事职务董事长执行长不得禁用其配偶及三卿等一内写卿应卿担任本中心职务"},{"start":25689.588,"end":25718.192,"text":"第二十條本中心未應業務學校得報請監督機關核准依業務依任務性質臨派專業人員駐境外辦事第三章 業務及監督第二十一條本中心依擬定發展目標及計畫提經董事會通過後報請監督機關核定本中心依訂定年度業務計畫及其預算提經董事會通過後報請監督機關被查"},{"start":25719.915,"end":25740.348,"text":"第二十二条监督金融对本中心之监督权限如下一发展目标及计划之核定二规章年度业务计划与预算年度执行成果及决算报告数之核定或备查三财产及财务状况之检查四业务绩效之品鉴五董事见识联聘解聘之建议"},{"start":25741.188,"end":25745.912,"text":"6.董事监事于执行业务违反法令时得为必要处分7."},{"start":25745.912,"end":25754.838,"text":"本中性违反宪法法律法规命令时予以征收变更废纸限期改善停止执行或其他处分8."},{"start":25754.838,"end":25757.98,"text":"自有不动产处分或设定负担之核可9."},{"start":25757.98,"end":25763.844,"text":"本中性零派专业人员驻境外办事之核准是其他依法律所为之监督"},{"start":25766.383,"end":25793.744,"text":"第23條監督機關應邀集有關機關代表學者專家及社會公正人士辦理本中性之績效評鑑其學者專家及社會公正人士之人數不得少於二分之一其項評鑑成員任意性別不得少於總人數三分之一第一項績效評鑑之成員資格條件聆聘程序績效評鑑之方式程序及其他相關事項之辦法由監督機關定之"},{"start":25794.845,"end":25810.384,"text":"績效比例之內容如下一 本中心年度執行成果試考核二 本中心業務績效及目標達成率之評量三 本中心年度自籌款比率達成率四 本中心經費合撥之建議五 其他有關事項"},{"start":25812.85,"end":25829.902,"text":"第四章会计及财务第24条本中心会计年度应与政府会计年度一致本中心之会计制度以行政法人会计制度设置相关法规定定本中心财务报表应为请会计师进行查核签证"},{"start":25831.926,"end":25843.395,"text":"第25條本中心於會計年度中兩或三個月內應將年度執行成果及決算報告書委託會計師查核簽證提交董事會審議並經全體監視通過後報請監督機關被查並送審計機關前向決算報告審計機關的審計之審計結果得送監督機關或其他相關機關為必要之處理"},{"start":25858.737,"end":25885.853,"text":"第26條本中心存立年度之政府合部經費但由監督機關在原預算範圍內調整因應不受預算法第62條及第63條規定之限制第27條本中心因業務必要使用職工有殘存的架構或由政府機關採捐贈出租或無償提供使用方式為之採捐贈者不受土地法第25條國有財政法第28條第60條"},{"start":25888.334,"end":25890.617,"text":"请不吝点赞 订阅 转发 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負責第32條對於本中心之行政處處分不符者得依訴願法之規定向監督機關提起訴願第33條本中心因情勢變更或績效募張正不能達成其設立目的時由監督機關提請行政院統一後解散之本中心解散時其人員應終止契約其剩餘層層歸屬國庫"},{"start":26092.438,"end":26111.103,"text":"其相關權利義務由監督機關概括承受第34條本條例實行日期由行政院定制宣讀完畢報告院會三讀條文已宣讀完畢請問院會有無文字修正無文字修正決議國家運動產業發展中心設置條例制定通過"},{"start":26121.124,"end":26124.11,"text":"繼續處理審查會所作之附帶決議請議事人員宣讀附帶決議之內容"},{"start":26127.912,"end":26155.438,"text":"通過附帶決議二項一國家運動產業發展中心之績效評鑑應納入服務對象與一般民眾對該中心之業務執行評價二國家運動產業發展中心成立後監督機關應會同該中心進一步研議評估將企業工會代表納入董事代表之可行性宣讀完畢法院會一協商結論照案通過"},{"start":26158.261,"end":26160.848,"text":"發言會現在休息十分鐘休息後繼續開會現在休息"},{"start":26774.895,"end":26791.79,"text":"包園會現在繼續開會進行討論事項第21案國家運動訓練中心設置條例修正草案本案經第二會期第15次會議決議協商後再行處理包園會本案現已完成協商請宣讀協商結論"},{"start":26794.98,"end":26799.529,"text":"立法院黨團協商結論時間114年1月6日星期一下午20地點群選樓802會議室協商主題國家運動訓練中心設置條例修正草案"},{"start":26808.963,"end":26831.358,"text":"協商結論國家運動訓練中心設置條例修正草案均照審查會審查結果通過協商主持人韓國瑜將啟程協商代表傅坤崎 柯建銘 林思敏 吳思堯王宏威 蔡易宇 黃國昌 麥玉珍 吳春成宣讀完畢請問院會對以上協商結論有依無依本案主條討論時禁依協商結論處理國家運動"},{"start":26836.984,"end":26851.797,"text":"訓練中心設置條例請宣讀第一條第一條為設立國鄉運動訓練中心以下結成本中心以推動國家運動訓練事務培育國際綜合性賽會國際單項錦標賽身心障礙運動優秀運動人才提升國際運動競爭力特制定本條例宣讀完畢照審查會條通過第二條"},{"start":26861.943,"end":26884.219,"text":"第二條 本中心為行政法人 其監督機關為運動部宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第三條第三條 本中心之義務範圍如下一 國家級優秀運動選手之選拔 培訓及輔導參賽二 國家級優秀運動教練之培育與急進修三 提供醫療賬戶及心腹支援訓練之執行"},{"start":26885.92,"end":26913.171,"text":"四 本中性長管制營運及管理五 國家級優秀運動選手之身心照顧權益保障 課業輔導及生涯諮商輔導六 競技運動相關事項之國際交流七 與國內外運動訓練相關機構之合作交流八 運動文化與相關物件之保存九 培訓運動員之溝通與權益保障十 其他與競技運動推展相關之事項宣傳B"},{"start":26913.956,"end":26934.367,"text":"照審查會條文通過第四條第四條本中心之經費來源如下一政府之和波及捐補助二國內外公司力機構團體及個人之捐贈三營運之收入四其他收入前向第二款之捐贈是同對政府之捐贈宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第五條"},{"start":26935.256,"end":26960.976,"text":"第五條本中心應訂定組織徵程人事管理關係制度內部控制結合作業及其他規章提經董事會通過後報請監督機關被查本中心就其執行之公共事務在不抵觸有關法律或法規命令之範圍內得訂定規章並提經董事會通過後報請監督機關被查宣言完畢照審查會條文通過第六條"},{"start":26961.789,"end":26987.415,"text":"第六條本中新社董事會製董事許一人至十五人由監督機關就校列人員領選提請行政院院長聘任之解聘時一同一政府相關機關代表二與運動相關之學者專家三民間企業經營管理專家四對國家運動體育運動有重大貢獻之社會人士前向第一款製董事不得與董事總人數三分之一"},{"start":26987.975,"end":27000.176,"text":"第二款是董事不得少於董事總人數二分之一第一項董事應至少一人具原住民身份任意性別不得少於董事總人數三分之一宣讀完畢照審查會條例通過第七條"},{"start":27002.472,"end":27024.594,"text":"第七條 本中新制監視三人 互推一人為常務監視監視有監督機關救濟 運動 法律或會計等相關學士經驗者 提請行政院院長聘任之解聘是一同第一項監視 任意性別不得少於監視總人數三分之一宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第八條"},{"start":27025.373,"end":27052.108,"text":"第八條 董事監視任期為四年期滿的續聘制但續聘人數不得於總人數三分之二不得少於三分之一代表政府機關制董事應依其職務異動改聘依第六條第一項第二款式第四款及前條第二項聘人制董事監視任期屆滿前初缺時由監督機關臨選提請行政院院長補聘制其任期制原任者任期屆滿時為止宣讀完畢"},{"start":27054.676,"end":27056.18,"text":"照審查會條文通過第九條"},{"start":27056.84,"end":27085.678,"text":"第九条有下列情事之一者不得聘任为董事监事一 受监护宣告或辅助宣告尚未撤销二 受有期图形上刑事判决确定而未受缓刑之宣告三 受破产宣告或依消费者债务心理条例经法院裁定开始清算程序尚未复权四 持夺公权尚未复权董事监事有前项情形之一或无故连续不出席不劣时董事会会议达三次者应予解聘"},{"start":27086.599,"end":27110.708,"text":"董事监事有下令各款情绪质疑者得以解聘一 行为不检或平行不端 最影响本中心形象有确实证据二 工作执行不力或淡乎职责 有具体事实或违反聘约情节重大三 当届之本中心年度绩效评鉴 连续二年未达监督机关锁定标准四 违反公务人员行政中立法制形式有确实证据"},{"start":27111.388,"end":27129.903,"text":"五就主管事件接受關稅或請託或利用職務關係接受招待或回贈至損害公益或本中性利益有確實證據六非應職務者需要動用本中性財產有確實證據七違反第十四條或第十五條另一項利益迴避規定有確實證據"},{"start":27131.825,"end":27151.482,"text":"8.其他不是任董事監視職位之行為,且向各款情形監督機關於結聘前應給與當事人陳述意見及順便之機會。本中信董事監視之聆聘、結聘、補聘之方式及其他相關事項之本法,由監督機關定之。宣讀完畢。造審查會條文通過第10條。"},{"start":27152.864,"end":27178.886,"text":"第十條本中心致董事長一人由監督機關就董事中提請行政院院長聘任之截聘室一同董事長之聘任截聘補聘之方式及其他相關事項之辦法由監督機關定之董事長對內縱理本中心一切事務對外代表本中心其因故不能執行職務時由其指定致董事代行職權不能指定時由董事互推一人代行職權"},{"start":27180.007,"end":27190.352,"text":"董事長出任年齡不得於六十五歲任期屆滿前年滿七十歲者應急更換但有特殊考量進行證明核准者不在此限宣讀完畢"},{"start":27194.042,"end":27220.598,"text":"第十一條 董事會之職權如下一 發展目標界計畫之審議二 年度業務計畫之審議三 年度預算及決算報告之審議四 規章之審議五 自由不動產主份或其設定負擔之審議六 本條例鎖定應經董事會決議事項之審議七 執行長任免之同意八 經費之籌募九 其他重大事項之審議宣讀完畢照審查會條例通過第十二條"},{"start":27222.389,"end":27246.482,"text":"第十二條 董事會每三個月開會一次必要時的專案臨時會議由董事長就其並擔任主席董事會會議應有過半數董事之出席其決議應有出席董事過半數之同意但檢調第一環折第七環之決議應有董事總人數過半數之同意宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第十三條"},{"start":27247.253,"end":27266.894,"text":"第13條監事職權如下因業務財務狀況之監督而財務葬身文件及財產資料之集合三決算報告之審核四其他重大事項之審核及集合監事單獨行使職權常務監事應代表全體監事列席董事會會議宣讀完畢"},{"start":27268.328,"end":27281.901,"text":"照審查會條文通過第十四條第十四條 董事間互相互間不得有或曾有配偶及三親等一內血親因妻之關係宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第十五條"},{"start":27283.72,"end":27312.053,"text":"第15條 董事監事執行長及其關係人士利益迴避事項依公職員利益衝突迴避法之規定辦理違反前項規定之本重新受有損害者行為人應對其負損害賠償責任第一項人員違反公職員利益衝突迴避法之規定者處以該法規定處罰外監督器官並等為適當之處置其處置規定由監督器官定之宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第16條"},{"start":27313.393,"end":27332.333,"text":"第十六條 董事成務監事應親自出席列席董事會會議 不得委託他人代理出席宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第十七條第十七條 本中心董事長董事成務監事及監事經委無疾之宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第十八條"},{"start":27333.035,"end":27361.925,"text":"第十八條本中心致職行長一人專任由董事長提請董事會通過後聘人之皆聘使一同執行長依本中心規章董事會正確議及董事長之授權執行本中心業務並督導所屬人員第九條第一項之第四項第十條第四項第十四條及第二十二條第六款有關董事及董事長之規定於執行長准用之宣傳完畢到審查會條文通過第十九條"},{"start":27362.705,"end":27387.218,"text":"第十九條本中心禁用職職員依本中心人事管理規範辦理不需公務人員身份其權利義務關係應於契約中明定董事監事執行長之配偶及其三親等一內寫親一親不得擔任本中心總務會計及人事職務董事長執行長不得禁用其配偶及三親等一內寫親一親擔任本中心職務宣讀完畢"},{"start":27387.978,"end":27417.288,"text":"照審查會條文通過第二十條第二十條本中心為應業務需要的報警監督機關核准依任務性質領派專業人員駐境外辦事宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第二十一條第二十一條本中心應擬定發展目標及計畫提經董事會通過後報警監督機關核定本中心應訂定年度業務計畫及其預算提經董事會通過後報警監督機關被查宣讀完畢"},{"start":27418.328,"end":27443.575,"text":"照审查会条文通过第二十二条第二十二条监督金管队本中心之基因都权限如设以发展目标及进化之核定而规章年度业务进化与预算年度执行成果及决算报告数之核定或被查三 裁选及财务状况之检查四 业务绩效之评鉴五 董事监事领聘截聘之建议六 董事监事于执行"},{"start":27445.135,"end":27470.446,"text":"業務違反法令時都為必要處分其本中性違反憲法法律法規命令時予以撤銷、變更、廢止、限期改善、停止執行或其他處分八、自有不動產處分或設定負擔之核可九、本中性零聘專業人員駐境外辦事之核准十、其他依法律所為之監督宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第二十三條"},{"start":27471.365,"end":27500.464,"text":"第二十三条监督机关应邀集有关机关代表学职专家及社会公正人士办理本中心之绩效评鉴其学职专家及社会公正人士之人数不得少于二分之一前项评鉴成员任意性别不得少于总人数三分之一第一项绩效评鉴之成员资格条件联聘程序绩效评鉴之方式程序及其他相关事项之办法由监督机关定之绩效评鉴之内容如下"},{"start":27501.645,"end":27515.606,"text":"1.本中性年度执行成果式考核2.本中性业务绩效及目标达成率之评料3.本中性年度自成款比率达成率4.本中性经费合波之建议5.其他有关事项宣读完毕"},{"start":27516.314,"end":27532.525,"text":"照審查會條文通過第24條第24條本中心會計年度應與政府會計年度一致本中心之會計制度依行政法人會計制度設置相關法規訂定本中心財務報表應為請會計師進行查爾簽證宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第25條"},{"start":27539.98,"end":27553.933,"text":"第25條本中信於會計年度中兩或三個月內應將年度執行成果及決算報告書委託會計師查核簽證提交董事會審議並經全體監視通過後報請監督機關被查並送審計機關前項決算報告審計機關得審計之審計結果得送監督機關或其他相關機關為必要之處理宣讀完畢"},{"start":27565.484,"end":27566.845,"text":"照審查會條文通過第26條"},{"start":27580.646,"end":27606.249,"text":"照审查会条文通过第27条第27条本中心因业务必要使用职工有残存的架构或由政府机关采捐赠出租或无偿提供使用方式为之采捐赠者不受土地法第25条国有财产法第28条第60条及地方政府工厂管理法令相关规定之限制前项架构公有土地支架款以当其公告土地限制为准"},{"start":27606.829,"end":27623.503,"text":"地上建築改良物資交款以稅捐基準機關提供之當年期評定限值為準無該當年期評定限值者依工程管理機關估價結果為準本中心以政府機關合撥經費決定用途所購置之產產為公有產產"},{"start":27625.485,"end":27649.947,"text":"第一項出租無償提供使用及前項是公有財產以外由本中心取得之財產為自有財產第一項無償提供使用及第三項公有財產由本中心登記為管理人所生之受益列為本中心之收入不受公有財產法第七條第一項其地方政府工廠管理法令相關規定之限制其管理使用收益等相關事項之辦法由監督機關定之"},{"start":27650.547,"end":27665.414,"text":"公有產產用途費指示應移交各級政府公產管理機關接管本中心接受捐贈至公有不動產不需使用時應歸還原捐贈機關不得任意處分宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第28條"},{"start":27666.618,"end":27693.317,"text":"第二十八條 政府機關核破本中心稅經費應依法定預算程序辦理並受審計監督政府機關核破稅經費超過本中心登年度預算收入來源百分之五十者應由監督機關將請年度預算書送立法院審議本中心自主裁員及其運用管理相關事項由本中心訂定收支管理規章報請監督機關被查宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第二十九條"},{"start":27694.144,"end":27711.362,"text":"第29條本中心所舉借的債務以具自償性職者為限並應先送監督機關核定預算執行結果如有不能自償之餘時應即檢討提出改善措施報請監督機關核定宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第30條"},{"start":27712.677,"end":27742.091,"text":"第三十條 本中限制採購租業應本公開公正制原則除符合我國地檢制條約協定或政府採購法第四條第一項鎖定信心應依各該規定辦理外不是用政府採購法制規定其採購租業實施規章應報警監督機關核定前項應依政府採購法第四條第一項規定辦理之採購與其他法律另有規定者從其規定宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第三十一條"},{"start":27742.796,"end":27770.245,"text":"第三十一條本中心之相關資訊應依政府資訊公開法相關規定公開之其年度財務報表年度義務資訊及年度績效評鑑報告應主動公開前項年度績效評鑑報告應由監督機關提交分析報告送立法院被查必要時立法院得要求監督機關首長率統本中心之董事長執行長或相關主管或相關主管之立法院報告"},{"start":27770.745,"end":27799.526,"text":"遇狀況並被尋宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第三十二條第三十二條對於本中興制行政處分不符則得依訴願法之規定向監督機關提起訴願宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第三十三條第三十三條本中興因情勢變更或績效故障致目難達算其設定目的時由監督機關提起行政院同意後解散之"},{"start":27800.126,"end":27823.853,"text":"本中心解散時其人員應終止契約其剩餘財產歸屬國庫其相關權利義務由監督機關概括承受宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第三十四條第三十四條本條例實行日期由行政院定之宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過報告院會全案經過二讀依黨團共事繼續進行三讀請宣讀經過二讀之條文"},{"start":27831.021,"end":27852.943,"text":"第一条 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对国家体育运动有重大贡献之社会人士前项第一环是董事不得于董事总人数三分之一第二环是董事不得少于董事总人数二分之一第一项董事应至少一人具原住民身份任意性别不得少于董事总人数三分之一"},{"start":27977.321,"end":27995.439,"text":"第七条本中心制监视三人户推议人为常务监视监视有监督机关就区运动法律或会计等相关学士经验者临选提请行政院院长聘任之解聘时一同第一项监视任意性别不得少于监视总人数三分之一"},{"start":27996.929,"end":28023.569,"text":"第八條 董事監訓任期為四年期滿得續聘之但續聘人數不得於總人數三分之二不得少於三分之一代表政府金關局董事因應其職務異動改聘依第六條 第一項第二款是第四款及前條 第二項聘人是董事監事任期屆滿前初決者由京都金關林全提請行政院院長補聘之其任期至原任者任期屆滿時為止"},{"start":28026.107,"end":28046.548,"text":"第九條有效戀情事之一者不得聘人為董事監事一 受監護宣告或輔助宣告尚未撤銷二 受有期徒刑上刑事判決確定而未受緩刑之宣告三 受破產宣告或依消費者債務侵略條例經法院裁定開水清算程序尚未復權四 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董事会之职权如下一 发展目标及计划之审议二 年度业务计划之审议三 年度预算及决算报告之审议四 规章之审议五 自由不动产处分或其设定负担之审议六 本条例锁定应经董事会决议事项之审议七 执行长任免之同意八 经费之宠物九 其他重大事项之审议"},{"start":28203.72,"end":28224.353,"text":"第十二條 董事會每三個月開會一次必要時的召開臨時會議由董事長召集並擔任主席董事會會議應有過半數董事之出席其決議應由出席董事過半數之同意但結條第一管制第七管制決議應由董事總人數過半數之同意"},{"start":28226.516,"end":28254.094,"text":"第十三条监视之职权如下一 业务财务重案之监督二 财务赞册文件及产权资料之集合三 决算报告之审核四 其他重大事项之审核及集合监视单独行使之权成务监视应代表全体监视列写董事会会议第十四条董事监视相互监睦得有或曾有配偶及三亲等一类血亲戚之关系"},{"start":28257.816,"end":28283.986,"text":"第15條 董事建設執行長及其關係人之利益迴避事項依公職人員利益衝突迴避法之規定辦理違反前項規定之本中心受有損害者行為人應對其負損害賠償責任第一項人員違反公職人員利益衝突迴避法之規定者處以根法規定處罰為監督機關並等為適當之處置其主事規定由監督機關定之"},{"start":28286.673,"end":28309.449,"text":"第十六條,董事成務監事應親自出席歷史董事會會議,不得委託他人代理出席。第十七條,本中心董事長、董事成務監事及監事均為無起職。第十八條,本中心制止行程一人專任,由董事長提請董事會通過候聘人質,結聘時一同。"},{"start":28310.149,"end":28327.189,"text":"執行長依本中心規章董事會之決議及董事長之授權執行本中心業務並督導所屬人員第九條第一項之第四項第十條第四項第十四條及第二十二條第六款有關董事及董事長之規定予執行長准用之"},{"start":28328.63,"end":28352.115,"text":"第十九条本中心禁用职人员依本中心软式管理规章办理不具公务人员身份其权利义务关系应于契约中明定董事监事执行长之配偶及其三清等以内写清音期不得担任本中心总务会计及人事职务董事长执行长不得禁用其配偶及三清等以内写清音期担任本中心职务"},{"start":28355.372,"end":28379.859,"text":"20.本中心未應業務需要,得報請監督機關核准,依任務性質,臨派專業人員助境外辦事。21.本中心應擬定發展目標及計畫,提請董事會通過後報請監督機關核定。本中心應訂定年度業務計畫及其預算,提請董事會通過後報請監督機關被查。"},{"start":28381.687,"end":28397.205,"text":"第二十二条监督经管队本中心之监督权限如下一发展目标及计划之核定二规章年度业务进化与预算年度执行成果及决算报告书之核定或备查三财产及财务状况之检查"},{"start":28397.725,"end":28425.681,"text":"四 业务绩效之凭借五 董事监事聆聘截聘之建议六 董事监事于执行业务违反法令时得为必要处分七 本中心违反宪法法律法规命令时予以撤销变更费之限其改善停止执行或其他处分八 自有不动产处分或设定负担之核可九 本中心聆配专业人员驻境外办事之核准十 其他依法律所为之监督"},{"start":28427.935,"end":28444.626,"text":"第二十三條監託機關應邀請有關機關代表學者專家及社會公正人士辦理本中心之績效評鑑其學者專家及社會公正人士之人數不得少於二分之一其向評鑑成員任意性別不得少於總人數三分之一"},{"start":28445.266,"end":28470.789,"text":"第一项绩效评鉴制成员资格条件联并程序绩效评鉴制方式程序及其他相关事项制本法由监督机关定制绩效评鉴制内容如下1.本中性年度执行成果制考核2.本中性业务绩效及目标达成率制评量3.本中性年度自主款比率达成率4.本中性经费合拨制建议5.其他有关事项"},{"start":28474.419,"end":28490.019,"text":"24.本中心会计年度应与政府会计年度一致本中心之会计制度依行政法人会计制度设置相关法规定定本中心财务报表应为几会计师进行查核签证"},{"start":28492.253,"end":28503.076,"text":"第25條本中信於會計年度中兩或三個月內應將年度執行成果及決算報告書委託會計師查核簽證提交董事會審議並經全體監視通過後報請監督機關被查並送審計機關請將決算報告審計機關的審計之審計結果得送監督機關或其他相關機關為必要之處理"},{"start":28516.98,"end":28539.151,"text":"第26條 本中心存立年度之政府合撥經費 等由監督機關在原預算範圍內調整因應 無受預算法第62條及第63條規定之限制第27條 本中心因業務必要使用之公有財產 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第一項第二環第三環及前條第一項聘任之董事兼職任期屆滿前初學者由監督機關臨選提請行政院院長補聘之其任期至原任者任期屆滿時為之宣讀完畢"},{"start":29008.82,"end":29036.636,"text":"照審查會條文通過第十八條第十八條本中心致執行長一人專任由董事長提請董事會通過後並認知皆聘使一同執行長依本中心規章董事會之決議及董事長之授權執行本中心業務並督導所屬人員第九條第一項是第四項第十條第四項第十四條及第二十一條第六款有關董事及董事長之規定與執行長準用之宣讀完畢"},{"start":29037.276,"end":29063.59,"text":"造審裁會條文通過第十九條第十九條本中心禁用證人員依本中心人事管理規章辦理不具公務人員身份其權利義務關係應於契約中明定董事監事及執行長之配偶及其三親等以內寫信應親不得擔任本中心總務會計及人事職務董事長及執行長不得禁用其配偶及三親等以內寫信應親擔任本中心職務宣讀完畢"},{"start":29064.15,"end":29080.402,"text":"照審查會條文通過 增訂第十九條之一第十九條之一 本中興衛營業務學校 得報請監督境外核准依任務性質 領派專業人員處境外辦事宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過 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運動狂今天是一個大家可以歡心鼓舞的一天因為孟凱從2020進入到立法院之後一直就認為運動部是一個可以"},{"start":30027.33,"end":30052.114,"text":"提升我國國力並且讓世界看到台灣因為台灣的運動確實因為一次又一次精彩的表現讓世界看到了所以剛剛正式三讀通過並且把運科中心運訓中心等相關法案也都明定為行政院辦理全國運動業務的整體的上位的一個"},{"start":30052.954,"end":30072.284,"text":"完整的配套我想這是我們跨出了一大步在運動部的討論的時候其實2024年三位總統候選人也都有把他列入相關的政見而我們能夠在這個會期正式讓他三讀通過立為法源我想這最重要的就是大家共同的努力"},{"start":30073.174,"end":30088.331,"text":"未來運動部的成立有四大的重點分別是人才的培育國際的交流產業的發展以及永續的熱活人才培育不用說要讓好手一個接一個一棒接一棒棒棒是強棒"},{"start":30089.492,"end":30105.049,"text":"而國際的交流更是我們可以讓世界持續看到台灣的量能產業的發展運動產業是非常龐大的一群未來政府部門一定要最重視運動產業的發展以及永續而樂活"},{"start":30106.83,"end":30125.505,"text":"讓從8歲到88歲所有的全民都可以共同享受運動的樂趣這些就是我們共同努力的方向而我們也在這一次的修法裡面有提出台灣運動紀念館的概念也希望未來政府部門要把台灣運動紀念館給設立未來就是我們繼續為運動努力的時刻"},{"start":30140.66,"end":30160.365,"text":"謝謝洪委員下一位請吳春城委員發言請郭鈺晴委員準備主席"},{"start":30162.523,"end":30190.911,"text":"今天下午通過的體育運動部相關的組織法跟今天上午通過的壯世代政策及產業發展促進法有很多異曲同工之處第一個就是跨黨派一致的支持對於運動以及對壯世代大家都有高度的共識第二個是跨部會"},{"start":30192.49,"end":30220.747,"text":"過去是體育署體育署只重視競技活動所以把體育做小了那成為運動部之後它不僅是成為一個全民的運動而且成為一個產業所以每個部會都是運動部所以其他的部會應該要有這樣子的認知就同樣的每個部會都是壯士代不是過去只有衛福部"},{"start":30222.347,"end":30248.642,"text":"第三個特色就是跨領域就是過去我們對體育只有用補助的方式但是未來必須從發展產業的建構一個永續的產業生態來推廣第四個的相同點就是跨世代"},{"start":30250.864,"end":30259.033,"text":"我們運動部的官員要用新的思維不要再用過去體育署的思維運動不只是適合年輕人而且對55歲以上"},{"start":30261.583,"end":30282.171,"text":"的壯世代也可以一起的運動這個可以發不僅可以促進世代的共榮而且可以發展壯世代的運動產業讓壯世代有地方去而且有地方消費這也是今天大家通過壯促法與運動部相同的意義"},{"start":30286.045,"end":30291.224,"text":"好,謝謝吳委員下一位請郭鈺晴委員發言,也請林倩起委員準備"},{"start":30305.273,"end":30326.538,"text":"主席各位同仁還有全國關心運動發展的國人同胞大家好我想今天大家能夠在這邊可以討論這個運動部的一個成立那我想台灣的運動賽事在最近真的是穿金又帶銀非常的開心那我想這也象徵著我們台灣對於運動發展的一個高度的一個重視"},{"start":30327.378,"end":30355.476,"text":"那我們也希望透過運動部的一個成立壯大台灣打造運動平權的一個國家藉由運動再次的團結台灣那這次呢在審議這個運動部的設置法案的重點當中其實包含全民運動競技運動以及我們的運動產業還有國際體育交流四大重點讓台灣在運動的事業呢進入到一個全新的階段同時呢也增加國際的參與度"},{"start":30357.277,"end":30376.488,"text":"鞏固台灣在全球運動產業當中的重要地位那這一次運動部的一個成立有幾個非常重大的意義我想運動部將成為專責的一個機構由全民的運動到競技運動同時也能夠提升執行的效率跟效果"},{"start":30377.108,"end":30401.57,"text":"那當然經過法制化的一個保障我們希望能夠確保選手跟國民的一個權益法案通過之後呢運動部將具備法律的基礎而且更能全面的推動選手的培育權益的保障國際競技的發展我們也希望能夠透過法制化讓全民都能夠享有更普及的運動資源跟健康的福利"},{"start":30402.19,"end":30427.267,"text":"那麼最後呢我希望在體育教育的正常化透過運動部的一個成立在細節當中呢可以真正的改善所謂在體育班封閉的訓練現場當中孩子被不合理對待的這樣子的一個狀況可以加以改善讓這些孩子不再只是為了承載大人們奪牌的期待促進兒童運動的兒少運動的正常發展"},{"start":30433.256,"end":30438.087,"text":"好 謝謝郭委員下一位請林倩琦委員發言 也請陳秀寶委員準備"},{"start":30448.953,"end":30472.214,"text":"主席各位立院同仁大家好運動部組織法在立院三讀通過包含了全民運動署運動產業發展中心國訓中心運科中心等的設立這是我們在體育發展的重要里程碑作為關注運動賽事的一個立法者我深刻感受到此法案通過的意義"},{"start":30472.875,"end":30498.811,"text":"它不仅是体制改革的体现更是对运动员、教练、体育相关产业长期的努力的肯定与支持运动部的成立标示着政府在体育政策上的全面升级过去我们运动由不同机关分散管理资源分配不均政策执行没有办法整合甚至在国际赛事的支援跟选手培育上无法全面对接"},{"start":30499.631,"end":30523.431,"text":"今日有了運動部這個專責機構我們終於能夠統籌國家運動政策從基層發展到國際競技體育都有完整的規劃與執行力此次立法強調運動治理的核心價值包括運動員權益的保障透明化的資金運用以及決策機制這些都回應了長久以來體育界與社會的期待"},{"start":30524.531,"end":30543.84,"text":"運動不僅是禁忌與榮耀的象徵,更是全民健康與國家形象重要的一環。在此,我要向所有參與此次立法推動的體育界人士及全民表達感謝,無論是我們的堅持對制度的改革深刻的建議,這一切都讓運動部得以實現。"},{"start":30545.58,"end":30570.675,"text":"這法案通過只是個起點如何具體落實組織架構制度完善的政策與法律是我們持續的工作在此讓我們共同期待運動部成為推動我國體育產業邁向新紀元的重要力量讓全民創造運動的平台為國家來創造更多的榮耀讓國人建立一個健康有活力的未來謝謝謝謝林委員"},{"start":30575.905,"end":30579.596,"text":"下一位請陳秀寶委員發言也請吳思耀委員準備"},{"start":30589.526,"end":30603.33,"text":"謝謝主席各位同仁今天我們可以很負責任的向國人報告運動部成立我們一起努力做到了未來運動部會全力推動競技運動全民化促進競技專業發展積極的推動運動產業以及積極的國際參與"},{"start":30609.391,"end":30630.33,"text":"運動部要全力的翻轉國人心目中對體育的刻板印象運動應該是我們每個人的生活文化以及自我實現競技運動不僅是可以凝聚社會人心也是我們的社會文化我們不僅可以透過競技運動學習到公平和平的良善競爭也可以了解到遵守規範的道理"},{"start":30631.951,"end":30657.472,"text":"運動部也要增進對於專業運動員以及後勤人員的協助不僅是加強科學化效率化的訓練更要益助資源使用更專業以及全面的方式來照顧選手從運動後勤人員的增補以及待遇到專業運動員的心理及生涯輔導都是我國運動從業人員都可以有更好的待遇及穩定的生活"},{"start":30658.092,"end":30670.058,"text":"我們的選手及運動從業人員不需要再咬緊牙關刻苦生活我們也期待在全民運動全面提升後我們可以帶動競技運動以及運動產業的發展當我們越強就越能夠透過運動軟實力站上國際運動衛教將可以進一步的塑造台灣的國際形象"},{"start":30680.823,"end":30704.199,"text":"最後運動部的成立要歸功於全民的關心以及每一位運動員的付出也感謝朝野立委的共識秀寶在這邊要邀請大家我們一起參與一起努力讓我們一起將勝利的喜悅與激情化為行動讓台灣加入運動大國的行列我們一起努力謝謝大家好 謝謝陳委員"},{"start":30707.005,"end":30710.326,"text":"請吳斯亞委員發言,也請羅廷委員準備謝謝主席,大家辛苦了台灣最用,運動讓台灣人用起來,也讓國家用起來不只當運動迷,人人都可以是運動人就在今天,運動部相關法制完成了"},{"start":30734.435,"end":30753.442,"text":"一步一署三中心全民運動署國家運動訓練中心國家運動科學中心國家運動產業發展中心組織人事預算一步到位軟硬體可以同步升級運動可以超越黨派跨越世代是最能夠團結台灣促進認同的國家軟實力"},{"start":30757.763,"end":30775.873,"text":"從今以後,我對運動部有三個期待,讓運動全民化、生活化、國際化。運動部應當是全民的運動部,推動運動的多元平權,讓人人都是運動的參與者、消費者以及投資者,壯大運動產業,讓運動生活成為每個台灣人的日常。"},{"start":30780.555,"end":30804.269,"text":"第二 運動部必須是國際的運動部扶植選手走上國際發展新興運動與國際接軌提升競技運動的國際競爭力第三 運動是最好的外交台灣可以用運動跟世界交朋友讓世界看見台灣我們要投入更多的資源讓運動能夠躍上國際"},{"start":30807.831,"end":30837.026,"text":"這一屆的國會違憲亂政的惡法太多服國立民的法案太少我們希望政爭的法案少一點民生的法案多一些今天成立運動部就是在紛紛擾擾的國會裡難得的正能量好消息希望朝野持續合作讓政治破冰立法院也能夠有暖流支持運動部我們做到了謝謝大家"},{"start":30840.149,"end":30841.855,"text":"謝謝吳委員 下一位請羅廷瑋委員發言也請范雲委員準備"},{"start":30858.766,"end":30880.603,"text":"跟所有的國人特別報告作為立法院教育文化委員會我們與有榮焉也非常感謝所有朝野的立委大家共同的努力過去我們看到體育署組織的量能以及預算的問題根本沒辦法解決運動紮根我們更希望現在運動署成為了運動部"},{"start":30881.924,"end":30905.452,"text":"國家的大事在朝野的共同努力之下今天終於完成了我們希望提升教育部體育署的位階現在變成了運動部成為行政院中央主管的一個機關推動整個運動扎根教育扎根這次三讀有很多的重點跟大家特別報告第一"},{"start":30907.253,"end":30921.224,"text":"運動單獨社部組織的專責化以及過去運動相關業務分散在各個單位當中如今整合的資源共同來發展從全民運動到競技運動通通涵蓋在內第二"},{"start":30922.104,"end":30941.861,"text":"設立全民的運動署國家運動產業發展中心將推廣新興極限傳統民俗海洋水域山林運動以增進運動署所有運動參與的多樣性並且保障了弱勢族群的人士包括身心障礙的運動權益運動部的成立"},{"start":30944.583,"end":30960.407,"text":"是台灣運動產業的重大里程碑台灣漫向運動大國的指日可待並藉由成立運動部的一個成立讓政府可以更加重視運動電競相關的產業還有運動員退役後的相關生涯規劃"},{"start":30966.508,"end":30988.186,"text":"我非常重視運動我更重視電競我們一起來努力發展更好扶國立民的法案也代表國民黨在立法院不會為了反對而反對一定以民優先好 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國際的賽事我們都可以透過運動來一起鼓舞彼此來帶動台灣雄勇這個國人的自信心"},{"start":31208.743,"end":31231.539,"text":"那這次的運動部的成立呢其實也承載了各界的一個期待他匯聚了許多不同資源領域的資源我們期待他未來可以推動運動發展向基層延伸實現真正的全民運動那在我的版本提供了三個面向第一個部分我們就希望來強化國家的一個任務由國家來做更前瞻性的一個規劃統籌各界的資源讓我們的運動的一個"},{"start":31234.761,"end":31261.79,"text":"規劃呢跟策略呢可以有更完整的一個架構同時呢我們也強化了這個不同年紀不同族群不同性別以及不同身心能力的孩子不同身心能力的國民都能夠在運動部的規劃之下得到適合的運動選項讓他們可以去發展自己的能力那最後呢第三點我們其實也強調了場地的多樣性這幾年來有非常多新興的運動不管是攀岩滑板衝浪"},{"start":31263.01,"end":31277.635,"text":"好或者是BMX等等的極限運動那其實是非常需要全面來盤點我們現有的場地資源來讓大家能夠盡情的去揮灑熱情與活力所以未來呢我希望我們體育署並不是把原來的工作放大謝謝張委員"},{"start":31286.553,"end":31301.292,"text":"抱怨會各黨團推派委員均已發言完畢另外徐委員新迎王委員正續王委員宏威對運動部組織法完成三讀後之書面意見列入公報記錄"},{"start":31305.28,"end":31332.175,"text":"討論事項第24案野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案本案經第二會期第15次會議決議協商後再行處理報告原會本案應上代協商本案做以下決議協商後再行處理討論事項第25案外溢監條例第4條及第21條條文修正草案請宣讀審查報告"},{"start":31333.7,"end":31350.279,"text":"本月司法及法治委員會於113年12月19日召開全英委員會議並安審查本案由吳兆吉委員宗憲擔任主席除邀請提案委員說明提案要旨外相關機關應邀指派代表列行說明並答覆委員詢問"},{"start":31351.56,"end":31354.762,"text":"請召集委員吳委員中獻補充說明吳補充說明本案經審查委決議不需再交由黨團協商請問院會有依"},{"start":31380.509,"end":31409.367,"text":"無異議本案進一審查意見處理本案進一審查或意見處理現在進行諸條討論外遺間條例請宣讀第四條第四條外遺間受刑人應由防務部矯正署就各監獄受刑人中和於下列各款規定者領選之一 受有期徒刑之執行於三個月二 有圈毀時矩且三年內符合陳報長室法定期期"},{"start":31410.007,"end":31426.292,"text":"三 再接刑狀慎良事與外遺作業 且無危害公共秩序社會安全之餘受刑人有下列各款刑刑之一者不得遴選一 故意犯罪因而發生死亡結果二 所犯罪性本行為是臉上有期徒刑之罪"},{"start":31426.932,"end":31434.016,"text":"身份刑罰第135條第四項後段第136條第二項致重傷第161條第362條之一第一項第二項後段第303條第328條第一項第二項第三項後段第330條第一項第333條第一項第二項第339條之四第一項第347條第一項第318條之一之最"},{"start":31454.781,"end":31483.402,"text":"四份組織犯罪防治條例第三條第一項前段第四條第二項是第四項之罪五份槍砲刀業彈藥刀械管制條例第七條第一項第二項第八條第一項是第三項之罪六份兒童及少年性剝削防治條例第三十三條第一項第三十四條第一項第二項第三十五條第二項第三項犯同條第二項第三十六條第三項第四項犯同條第三項之罪"},{"start":31484.182,"end":31507.968,"text":"七 犯毒品危害防治條例之罪 單犯統條例第十條 第十一條 第四條 第三項 第四項之罪不再呈現八 犯貪污之罪條例第五條 第一項之罪 但無犯罪所得或其屬個人犯罪所得已全部依法陌生或追責者不再呈現九 犯證券交易法 銀行法 金融控股公司法"},{"start":31508.428,"end":31525.985,"text":"票券金融管理法信托业法信用合作设法保险法农业金融法证券投资信托及公文法之罪其罪行本行为欺凌上有其徒刑者但无犯罪所得或其属个人犯罪所得已全部依法莫收获而追证者不在此限"},{"start":31527.486,"end":31552.495,"text":"十 犯人口分余防治法第二條第二款之人口分余罪十一 犯前十款以外屬性侵害犯罪防治法第二條第一款所列之罪或家庭暴力防治法第二條第二款之家庭暴力罪第六十一條之違反保護令罪十二 內犯但已執行完畢之前案均為受六月以下有期徒刑之宣告者不再次限"},{"start":31554.136,"end":31574.455,"text":"13 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为依第九条规定办理登记擅自产制应税烟酒出场二 于第十四条规定停止出场期间擅自产制应税烟酒出场"},{"start":32930.737,"end":32937.178,"text":"3.國外進口之菸酒未申報繳納菸酒稅及菸品健康福利捐4."},{"start":32937.178,"end":32944.88,"text":"免稅菸酒未經補徵菸酒稅及菸品健康福利捐擅自銷售或以作其用5."},{"start":32944.88,"end":32948.821,"text":"償存原料或成品數量差於證表不符6."},{"start":32948.821,"end":32954.702,"text":"短報或漏報因稅數量及菸酒課稅類別申報不實8."},{"start":32954.702,"end":32959.523,"text":"其他違法逃落菸酒稅或菸品健康福利捐宣讀完畢"},{"start":32960.27,"end":32989.045,"text":"照審查會條文通過第21條刪除請宣讀第23條第23條本法實行日期由行政院定之本法修正條文從中華民國91年6月12日修正公佈條文106年6月14日修正公佈條文及114年1月7日修正之條文自公佈日實行外其實行日期由行政院定之宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過"},{"start":32990.56,"end":32992.043,"text":"全案經過二讀,現依黨團共事繼續進行三讀請宣讀經過二讀之條文"},{"start":32998.171,"end":33023.852,"text":"第18條納稅義務人與其繳納菸酒稅及菸品健康福利捐者應加徵支納金其項應納之菸酒稅及菸品健康福利捐因自支納期限屆滿之次日期致納稅義務人自動繳納或強制執行專收繳納之日誌依各年度1月1日郵政儲金一年期定期儲金固定利率按日計算利息以並徵收"},{"start":33027.15,"end":33050.699,"text":"第十九條 納稅遇入人有項鍊逃落菸酒稅及菸品健康福利捐期刑之一者處補徵菸酒稅及菸品健康福利捐為按補徵金額處三倍以下之罰款一 為依第九條規定辦理登記 擅自纏制陰稅菸酒出場二 於第十四條規定停止出場期間 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