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有請院長上台跟您請教 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第八十條及第八十三條條文故意案本院原決議予以維持其他事項一一百十四年二月六日朝野黨團協商結論七項二本市會議一四日成一協商結論照議程查案通過"},{"start":5586.221,"end":5597.888,"text":"宣讀完畢報言會正式第三會議第一次會議的意思錄我們並沒有委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處我們就以下決定第三會期第一次會議意思錄確定請宣讀第二案"},{"start":5598.649,"end":5619.814,"text":"第二案 本院委員賴月龍等21人凝聚 產業創新條例部分條文修憲草案 依釋處意見交經濟財政兩委員會審查 宣布完畢留意 無異通過下言第三案 本院委員陳霓霈等學習委員凝聚 產業創新條例部分條文修憲草案 依釋處意見交經濟財政兩委員會審查 宣布完畢無異通過下言"},{"start":5620.214,"end":5640.546,"text":"第四案 本院委员陈霆飞等16人离聚于议院法第46条第47条及第47条决议条文修正常案依释出意见交经济委员会审查宣布完毕第五案 本院委员陈霆飞等17人离聚议院法部分条文修正常案依释出意见交经济委员会审查宣布完毕"},{"start":5641.687,"end":5663.345,"text":"第六案 本院委員汪小玲等 學習委員離聚 刑事訴訟法第九十三條之三條 無修正草案 一系處一間教育司法及法制委員會審查 宣言完畢第七案 本院委員汪小玲等 學習委員離聚 公立學校教職員退休自己人撫恤條例第三十四條條 無修正草案 一系處一間教育司法及法制教育及文化委員會審查"},{"start":5665.827,"end":5682.302,"text":"第八案 本院委員翁曉琳等18日抵聚教育經費編列與管理法第3條條文修正常案議事處一間教育及文化委員會審查第九案 本院委員翁曉琳等18日抵聚教育服務法第5條條文修正常案"},{"start":5682.842,"end":5683.803,"text":"無異通過下一案無異通過下一案無異通過下一案"},{"start":5707.814,"end":5728.413,"text":"第十二案 本月委員分與等17人離聚 政黨法 暫定第22條之一條文草案 依釋處意見交內政司法及法治 兩委員會審查 宣言完畢第十三案 本月委員分與等17人離聚 行政院組織法 暫定第12條之一條文草案 依釋處意見交司法及法治 兩委員會審查 宣言完畢"},{"start":5729.554,"end":5750.533,"text":"第十四案本月委員羅志強的十六日年居遺產及贈餘稅法第十三條第十九條及第五十八條最後條文修正草案議事處意見交財政委員會審查宣傳並議通過下言第十五案本月委員羅志強的十六日年居立法委員行為法第七條條文修正草案議事處意見交司法及法政委員會審查宣傳並議通過下言"},{"start":5752.034,"end":5772.832,"text":"第十六案本月由罗志强等十六人联聚儿童及少女福利与权益保障法第四十六台的文修审草案一事处一件交通社会福利及卫生环境委员会审查宣言完毕不宜通过下议案第十七案本月由红梦凯等十六人联聚国定降日法草案一事处一件交通内审委员会审查宣言完毕不宜通过下议案"},{"start":5773.212,"end":5801.742,"text":"第十八案本月委員洪孟凱的十九人理據虛募法第九條追議及第三十八條條文修正草案依實處意見交經濟委員會審查宣言完畢第十九案本月委員洪孟凱的十六人理據證券投資信託及顧問法第四十條條文修正草案依實處意見交財政委員會審查宣言完畢第二十案本月委員洪孟凱的十六人理據不易移植保存條例草案依實處意見交教育及文化委員會審查"},{"start":5804.083,"end":5823.797,"text":"第21案 本院委員徐宇珍的18日連續《國土進化法》增定第32條之一條文草案 依次處理屆交內政委員會審查第22案 本院委員徐宇珍的18日連續《平原地區學校教育發展條例》第8條條文修正草案 依次處理屆交教育界文化委員會審查"},{"start":5825.618,"end":5846.923,"text":"第23案 本院委員徐宇珍等17人離聚 運動產業發展條例第24條及第26條條文修正草案 依釋處意見交交執行文化委員會審查 宣布完畢第24案 本院委員徐宇珍等18人離聚 經驗服務法第24條條文修正草案 依釋處意見交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣布完畢"},{"start":5848.263,"end":5869.257,"text":"第25案 本院委員邱志偉等學習委任理據國防法第22條條文修正草案 依次處意見交互交集國防委員會審查 宣言完畢第26案 本院委員邱志偉等學習委任理據國防審議案發展條例第10條及第19條條文修正草案 依次處意見交互交集國防經濟聯盟委員會審查 宣言完畢"},{"start":5870.618,"end":5872.259,"text":"第28案委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查"},{"start":5893.217,"end":5916.538,"text":"第29案本月1月0前期等16人離聚家庭教育法第7條條文修正常案一系處一間教育及文化委員會審查宣言完畢可以通過下言第30案本月1月0前期等21人離聚公務人員退休自檢腐胥法第37條第38條及第67條條文修正常案一系處一間教育司法及法治委員會審查宣言完畢可以通過下言"},{"start":5916.958,"end":5937.703,"text":"第31案 本院委員林倩琪等18年理據立法院職權行使法增訂部分條文草案 依序處理件交司法及法律委員會審查 宣言完畢第32案 本院委員林倩琪等23年理據環境基本法第23條條文修正草案 依序處理件交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣言完畢"},{"start":5938.843,"end":5957.941,"text":"第三十三案本院委员正天才等二十人离聚水利法第八十三条条文修正草案依系处理监交经济委员会审查宣传完毕第三十四案本院委员离婚前的二十七年离废止中世代政策与产业发展促进法依系处理监交经济委员会审查宣传完毕"},{"start":5958.962,"end":5978.353,"text":"第35案 北越原台灣民眾黨的團體區動物保護法第二條及第五條條文修正草案 依施處意見交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢第36案 北越原輸進群體撤回前提區地方制度法第33條條文修正草案 依施處意見你請委員會統一撤回 宣讀完畢"},{"start":5979.614,"end":5995.039,"text":"第37案 行政院司法院喊起選議《民法》第1085條條文修正常委案依其處意見交由司法計劃支援會審查宣傳並第38案 本院人事處喊送立法院第11屆第三會期各委員會召集委員選舉實現地點票"},{"start":5997.12,"end":6005.467,"text":"時間114年3月5日星期三 上午9時至12時 地點如下內建委員會紅樓202會議室 國家及國防委員會紅樓301會議室經濟委員會紅樓101會議室 財政委員會缺陷樓9樓大禮堂教育及文化委員會缺陷樓101會議室 交通委員會紅樓201會議室司法及法治委員會紅樓302會議室 社會福利及衛生環境委員會缺陷樓801會議室"},{"start":6025.304,"end":6042.28,"text":"醫師主委見 您請原會召喚通過宣讀完畢無異通過下報告原會第39案以下請一併宣讀宣讀之後出第40案同意展言審查期限之外其餘個案均准予被查我們現在請宣讀"},{"start":6043.203,"end":6060.631,"text":"第39案 為本院司法及法制委員會函 為院會交付審查相關行政命令 已於法定轉延審查及審查期限第40案 決定42案 為本院司法及法制經濟委員會函 為院會交付審查相關行政命令 均已於立法院職權刑事法第61條鎖定審查期限"},{"start":6062.612,"end":6084.065,"text":"宣讯事项讲协议院答复部分协议院横送本院核委员青春等所提质询至书面答复共二十二件以选进部答复部分选进部横送本院无委员提名等所提咨询至书面答复共一件并本院委员质询部分本院无委员中线等向协议院提出质询共十二件宣读完毕"},{"start":6085.722,"end":6093.765,"text":"院會現在我們報告事項均已處理完畢我們現在進行討論事項第一案本院台灣民眾黨黨團針對0121嘉義大埔地震災後重建請院會決議案請議事人員宣讀提案內容"},{"start":6101.704,"end":6121.104,"text":"本院台湾民众党团敬请院会作成以下举议1.0121嘉义大埔地震对嘉义台南地区造成严重冲击灾后重建客户融换中央政府各部门应秉持从宽从速重建原则积极协助受灾居民特别是在租金补贴 弱层补墙"},{"start":6122.205,"end":6149.27,"text":"拆除重建等方面提供适当资源确保灾区居民得以迅速恢复正常生活二 目前针对受损建筑制评估主要依据结构计是对房屋主体结构梁柱之勘察结果导致部分受灾户无法获得应有之补助然而许多受灾房屋虽梁柱未受严重影响但墙体楼梯等关键结构已出现明显龟裂甚至崩塌影响居民安全"},{"start":6149.91,"end":6166.151,"text":"因此中央政府應激進會同地方政府主動輔導民眾辦理建築物耐震能力初步評估及落層補償經費補助針對耐震能力不足之結構提供補助與技術支持以提升建築物抗震能力降低未來災害風險三"},{"start":6168.334,"end":6188.991,"text":"目前红黄单支补助办法缺乏同一标准特别是联动透天座因共同组结构问题导致部分住户难以进行准排重建例如若相邻住户分别被贴红单与黄单红单户可获得重建补助而黄单户则无法受惠进而影响整体重建进程"},{"start":6189.551,"end":6206.779,"text":"因此政府应检讨红黄单认定标准使联动拓天厝住户能够获得公平且一致之补助以利于重建作业顺利推动目前多数红单房屋已经入都市更新及危险老旧建筑重建程序"},{"start":6208.059,"end":6223.366,"text":"並可透過容積獎勵機制降低重建負擔然而對於無意願參與危老或都市更新計劃之災戶應比照0403花蓮地震模式制定0121嘉義大埔鎮災復原自用住宅重建補助方案"},{"start":6224.026,"end":6237.565,"text":"該方案應以原地原種機興建成本值85%作為補助基準並設立上限並於兩個月內完成相關辦法制定定以確保受災居民能及時獲得援助五針對以認定為紅單之毀損房屋"},{"start":6239.708,"end":6258.95,"text":"其摘除運輸及巨化費用因依法由地方政府優先動用災害準備金支應倘若地方財政無法負擔再由中央政府全額補助以確保摘除作業順利推動減輕地方財政壓力並加速災區復原進程是否有道請公決案宣讀完畢"},{"start":6261.178,"end":6270.868,"text":"立法院會現在在議場二樓旁聽來自台東縣政府社會處兒少代表跨縣市交流的所有的好朋友歡迎麗玲立法院我們掌聲歡迎"},{"start":6274.707,"end":6293.546,"text":"委員會依照立法院職權刑事法第八條第三項之規定本案經提案人說明提案子去大體討論之後我們即意決交付審查或禁服二讀或不予審議我們請提案的黨團台灣民眾黨黨團代表張祺凱委員說明提案子去時間五分鐘"},{"start":6305.441,"end":6334.181,"text":"院長各位立法院的同仁還有卓院長各部會的部長首先我們要謝謝今年1月21號自己大波大跌宕嘉義跟台南很多的住宅跟民眾受到很大的衝擊我們要先表達對各界對於嘉義"},{"start":6335.902,"end":6364.658,"text":"跟我們台南我們的民眾的關心跟我們的幫助謝謝大家謝謝大家今天台灣民眾黨正式提案我們提出0121嘉義大埔地震對嘉義跟台南地區災害重建的建議也期待請大家可以共同來支持"},{"start":6365.779,"end":6388.4,"text":"第一 當天的這個地震 那一天我們立法院正在審查總預算搖得很厲害 大家一定都有感那對我們嘉義跟台南很多的住戶影響非常的大我們具體的要求 第一個 請中央政府要秉持重寬 重塑 重減三大原則"},{"start":6389.83,"end":6414.517,"text":"特別是在租金的補治方面還有有些住戶已經受到的一些損害在補強的方面還有受災比較嚴重的拆除這三大部分請適當的提供快速的幫忙這是第一點第二個目前政府做的是由結構技師對這些房屋做一個鑑定"},{"start":6419.645,"end":6429.445,"text":"結果我們現在發現出現一個很大的問題就是這個樑柱啊 主要這個樑柱可能還沒有完全有很大的損害"},{"start":6430.131,"end":6449.423,"text":"可是他的牆壁或者電梯他都受到損害了我相信我們所有的民眾你如果住在這樣的房子你一定有擔心對不對可是依照目前我們的法令跟處理方式這個房子目前是沒辦法處理的"},{"start":6450.043,"end":6475.848,"text":"所以我們拜託我們也正式提案對於主樑柱沒有受到影響可是樓梯或者牆壁有很大損傷的我們請政府中央政府會同地方政府趕快主動協同建築師還有一些相關人員請加強他們的這個補強另外有個大的問題現在大家如果到台南跟嘉義會看到有些房子貼了紅單跟黃單"},{"start":6478.58,"end":6484.957,"text":"結果現在紅單是可以重建可以有補助的可是黃單目前是沒有的"},{"start":6486.377,"end":6514.883,"text":"可是你去嘉義跟台南看 你的房子都是建築在一起的一整棟 一棟一棟連結在一起的如果有一個房子有問題旁邊是紅單 這邊是黃單那這個黃單你也不敢住了所以我們請中央政府會同地方針對黃單的補助還有處理方式請盡快協助處理另外 如果是貼了紅單就是表示損害非常嚴重的"},{"start":6515.762,"end":6527.336,"text":"他已經進入了都更或者是危險老舊建築的重建計畫可是呢這個負擔非常的大所以今天"},{"start":6529.039,"end":6551.738,"text":"台灣民眾黨正式提案我們要求比照04、03就是去年花蓮重建的模式花蓮地震那時候規定原地原容積它的興建成本的85%作為一個補助的基準然後並設立一個上限"},{"start":6552.759,"end":6576.593,"text":"我們要求兩個月內請把這個記憶體的方法提出來幫助我們台南跟嘉義的民眾最後呢我們對於已經貼了紅單然後應該拆除的我們要求至少有三部分政府應該給予補助第一個拆除的費用第二個"},{"start":6577.984,"end":6606.38,"text":"拆除下來印書的費用還有企劃的費用應該由地方政府優先動用災害準備經濟支應可是很多政府可能沒有錢今天行政院長在現場請中央拜託一下台南跟嘉義市政府做財源的問題對 儘速請幫忙好不好好 一方面謝謝大家也請大家共同支持台灣民眾的提案謝謝大家 謝謝"},{"start":6608.919,"end":6632.997,"text":"好 謝謝張祺凱委員的發言我們現在進行大體討論沒有委員登記發言我們就不再發言現有台灣民眾黨黨團提禁負二讀請願會有異議沒有異議我們本案禁負二讀依照立法院職權新司法第74條之一的規定我們交付黨團協商現在做以下決議交付黨團協商並由台灣民眾黨黨團負責召集協商"},{"start":6638.628,"end":6650.754,"text":"我們現在進行行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告並備質詢我們首先請行政院卓院長報告"},{"start":6681.606,"end":6692.313,"text":"韓院長江鴻院長各位委員先進大院第十一屆第三會期今天開議"},{"start":6694.755,"end":6712.95,"text":"本人應答時間暫停時間暫停本人應邀率同行政團隊到大院來進行施政報告深感榮幸好 謝謝"},{"start":6715.619,"end":6719.442,"text":"時間快知道我會處理蘇院長時間暫停請回蘇院長請回蘇院長請回我來處理給院長處理一下"},{"start":6744.44,"end":6745.541,"text":"詐騙治國 謊言征服"},{"start":6773.902,"end":6792.732,"text":"黃媛政府 詐騙治國開會了我們要開會開會了我們要開會了我們要整齊區開會了我們要開會了"},{"start":6801.653,"end":6809.942,"text":"我們要總質詢好 謝謝院長請支持喔 我們要開會我們要質詢 我們要開會好 謝謝"},{"start":6824.092,"end":6834.36,"text":"韓院長維持秩序好嗎韓院長請維持院會秩序我們要執行我們要開會好謝謝謝謝各位委員請回座謝謝謝謝大家謝謝好好謝謝"},{"start":6851.513,"end":6867.329,"text":"好 謝謝我們要開會理性兼都民生優先謝謝 謝謝各位委員請回座"},{"start":6870.193,"end":6896.764,"text":"請回座 謝謝好 謝謝 請回座請各位委員回座我們行政院院長要施政報告謝謝"},{"start":6901.352,"end":6912.157,"text":"好 謝謝麻煩所有的委員都請回座好嗎我們謝謝所有的委員都請回座好嗎謝謝"},{"start":6931.718,"end":6946.745,"text":"好,請到各黨邊來約束一下,謝謝謝謝各位委員,請回座都一樣,都請回座好嗎我們尊重行政院我知道,我知道,好,謝謝"},{"start":6968.678,"end":6978.62,"text":"好 謝謝好 謝謝好 謝謝各位委員 謝謝 再次感謝"},{"start":6993.254,"end":6993.274,"text":"好 謝謝"},{"start":7028.151,"end":7056.243,"text":"好 再一次感謝 謝謝好 謝謝好 麻煩請所有的委員就坐自己的位置好嗎我們立法院展示立法院的風度好 請坐我們坐下來之後大家把次序維持我再會請卓院長上台報告請坐"},{"start":7057.52,"end":7069.344,"text":"好 謝謝大家深呼吸一下啊 謝謝好 我們接下來我們邀請行政院左院長提出施政方針以及施政報告並被質詢"},{"start":7087.643,"end":7113.283,"text":"韓院長 江副院長各位委員先進大院第十一屆第三會期今天開議本人率同行政團隊到大院進行施政報告並備諮詢真的深感責任重大我們回頭看要如何來形容2024這一個年的台灣"},{"start":7116.66,"end":7144.785,"text":"從年初民主大選的結果到新政府的成立歷經了行政立法兩院的磨合期當中當然風波起起伏伏以及國際間文攻武嚇以及戰爭的威脅加上全球經貿秩序快速變化產業供應鏈的重組但所幸國人"},{"start":7146.149,"end":7173.73,"text":"辛勤的努力跟產業的合作跟發展我認為2024的台灣是在整合中進步也是在調適中豐收的一年為什麼我這麼說呢去年我國的經濟成長率達到4.3%在亞洲四小龍當中只比新加坡少了0.1"},{"start":7176.241,"end":7196.889,"text":"經濟的表現算是非常的亮眼國內生產毛額達到25.4兆比起2023年的23兆乃至於2016年的17.6兆我們都有大幅的成長人均GDP也達到33883美元"},{"start":7201.035,"end":7220.379,"text":"台灣的股市衝破了2萬點全年指數上漲28.47%民間固定的投資突破了5兆元國內外科技大廠紛紛加碼對台灣的投資其中包括了微軟、亞馬遜、輝達、超維還有台灣美光等等"},{"start":7228.018,"end":7250.874,"text":"全年的零售以及餐飲營業額也分別達到了4兆8530億元以及1兆0378億元都創下歷史的新高全年出口的規模也近5000億的美元也達到歷史的次高今年我們預估出口將會有更大的突破"},{"start":7252.625,"end":7280.692,"text":"去年全年的消費者物價指數年增率我們控制在2.18%國內失業率為24年來的新低是3.38%每人每月的實質總薪資平均是56566元年增率2.16%是六年來的最大的增幅所以我說我們是在整合中進步在調適中豐收"},{"start":7283.36,"end":7310.275,"text":"於恆當前的全球局勢民主陣營正面臨到威權集團的河流中國產能過剩的傾銷以及不公平競爭對於世界經濟秩序的威脅行政團隊將依照總統在總統府國安高層會議的結論自律推動國防預算達GDP3%建構國安法制改革"},{"start":7311.297,"end":7334.443,"text":"防止對台統治、滲透以及認知作戰的危害強化高科技保護與我們國家共同打造全球民主供應鏈為共同維護區域及世界的繁榮、和平與穩定因應國際局勢行政院台美經貿工作小組已召開多次的會議"},{"start":7337.148,"end":7356.908,"text":"加深雙方的經貿科技交流也成立了經濟外交工作小組推動任性計畫2.0治理與民主理念相近的國家以及友邦深化跟合作面對國家未來的挑戰與機會行政院與立法院"},{"start":7357.781,"end":7383.599,"text":"應該在尊重與包容的基礎上合作推動各項扶國立民的法案而這也是國人最忠心的期盼行政院對立法院所通過的法案如果認為我們有自愛難行之處可經總統核可提請復議申請次限等等循憲政秩序的程序來予以救濟"},{"start":7384.795,"end":7412.76,"text":"最後則由憲法法庭來明確分際維護憲政秩序鞏固民主也強化台灣的韌性感謝大院商業會期的支持三讀通過行政院所提運動部組織法運動部全民運動署組織法國家運動產業發展中心設置條例學生輔導法消防法等重要的法案"},{"start":7413.78,"end":7429.945,"text":"更期盼本會期 貴國兩院能以民意為優先共同推動對全體國人長遠發展國家有益的法案包含外國專業人才延攬及僱用法的修正草案"},{"start":7431.065,"end":7455.796,"text":"個人資料保護委員會組織法的草案身心障礙者權益保障法部分條件修正草案兒童托育服務法草案以及運動產業發展條例修正草案和人工智慧基本法等等這都是民眾所需要國人所關心的重要法案更避免重大的爭議讓國家持續向前邁進"},{"start":7460.233,"end":7486.476,"text":"我們認為迎面而來的還有五項重大的課題我們必須面對跟解決國人的需要跟期許是行政團隊源源不斷的力量我們將以新力量新的方向來捍衛憲政秩序跟人民的權益充實國防增強國力推動全新照顧權力發展的政策讓國家走在正確的道路上"},{"start":7487.455,"end":7507.39,"text":"台灣持續要在世界上扮演重要的角色國內有五大急迫問題我們需要面對跟解決其中包括人口對策打炸反毒人力人才平穩物價以及能源轉型"},{"start":7508.786,"end":7536.966,"text":"行政團隊責無旁貸必須為老問題找新方法為新問題找好方法才能持續落實對人民的承諾首先在人口對策上我們知道照顧家人同樣是國家的責任根據國發會最新的推估我國的生育率及總人口會持續的下降甚至到了2030年我們的人口會少於2300萬人"},{"start":7539.448,"end":7565.98,"text":"在超高齡社會跟少子化雙重衝擊之下同時面臨了提高出生率跟照顧家中幼兒長輩的挑戰產業也需要解決未來的勞動力供需失調的問題隨著社會福利的支出增加政府也要加速推動財政穩健的措施才能確保國家永續的發展"},{"start":7567.628,"end":7577.201,"text":"所以感生能養樂活尊老這已經不是個人的義務而是國家的責任"},{"start":7578.376,"end":7601.414,"text":"我們在擴大社會與醫療投資減輕家庭負擔透過創新經濟帶動未來的成長促進產業轉型並建設智慧國家並藉由均衡城市的發展來實踐在地的希望都是在人口結構的翻轉下我們勢必要推動的新政策跟新建設"},{"start":7603.493,"end":7631.081,"text":"第二點打詐反毒我們要打造安全任性的台灣守護家園就當前國內安全社會持續進步犯罪形態卻也不斷的在翻新各項日新月異的詐騙手法包含社群平台的假投資網路購物的詐騙交友集團的真詐財已經成為國人最擔憂的治安問題"},{"start":7632.441,"end":7655.703,"text":"五花八門的新興毒品侵入校園也意識青少年能夠誤入歧途造成健康及社會的危害因此強化治安打炸反毒打造任性台灣這才能提升人民的福祉在人才人力的這個課題我們要營造並兼顧理想與現實的安心職場"},{"start":7657.165,"end":7682.465,"text":"主技術的統計去年全國受僱員工人數超過845萬廣大勞工不僅支持著家庭生活也支持著景氣的繁榮然而人才的期許跟職務的需求卻不一定能夠對焦像是學校所教的技能能不能成為社會新鮮人工作的動能"},{"start":7684.582,"end":7712.177,"text":"AI快速發展的時代百工百業的勞工是否都能夠受惠營建工程 樹樹餐飲業倉儲運輸業等基層的職缺我們要如何的順利的招募醫療照顧跟家庭看護等需求不斷的提升是否有足夠的能力能夠來因應都是現階段我們要面對而且要解決的問題"},{"start":7713.564,"end":7732.559,"text":"政府為全國軍工教同仁來加薪,之外我們也鼓勵民間的企業能夠來為勞工調整他的薪資,積極的對接產業來招募的需求,幫助中小微企業能夠順利轉型,加速邁向人工智慧全面運用的時代。"},{"start":7733.399,"end":7752.416,"text":"未來新的人才人力政策必須要能為勞工兼顧理想與實現為產業提供人才跟資源讓不同產業的類別都能夠滿足勞動力的需求才能帶動台灣經濟持續成長並與世界全民共享"},{"start":7754.312,"end":7779.77,"text":"在平穩物價的這個課題穩定民生才能夠安定社會十一住行的生活費用是民眾每天必須要面對的國內的市場需求容易受到天災氣候節慶的影響也常因國際原物料的價格而有所波動維繫民生物價穩定是政府要讓國人安心的重要責任"},{"start":7781.141,"end":7802.409,"text":"我們會精準掌握國際原物料情勢及國內民生商品價格變動的情形嚴格的查辦壟斷囤積 烘台等情勢確保物資供應無虞以及民生物價的平穩達到將消費者物價指數年增率維持在百分之二以下的目標"},{"start":7804.71,"end":7828.541,"text":"至於能源轉型的課題,新綠能、新潔能跟新儲能是我們持續要全力發展,隨著台商以及國外大廠擴大對台投資以及半導體、人工智慧等快速的發展,確保能源供給的安全穩定不僅是民生所需,也是產業發展國家安全的重要基礎。"},{"start":7829.758,"end":7839.478,"text":"台灣身為全球重要的產業供應鏈的關鍵角色必須擴大氣候的調適行動增加減碳的力道提升產業國際競爭力"},{"start":7841.42,"end":7864.118,"text":"所以在落實第二次能源轉型發展多元綠能深化產業節能開發先進儲能並透過跨部會跨領域的合作為民間攜手推動我們要以減碳先行目標淨零的能源新策略為下一代綠色成長以及2050淨零轉型循序漸進"},{"start":7867.629,"end":7894.864,"text":"為因應以上的這些五大課題行政團隊在國家希望工程的引領之下以行動101策略發揮創意跟維新的思想以及積極的行動我們將有以下八大施政的目標具體落實民主和平創新繁榮公義永續的國家願景所以我期待2005年的台灣是我們延續"},{"start":7896.995,"end":7917.804,"text":"經濟榮景開創大發展大溫暖壯大台灣的一年有關本院最近的各項施政已經編印成書面報告送達大院及各位委員先進敬請大家指教以下僅就八大施政方向來向大院做詳細的說明"},{"start":7919.807,"end":7942.156,"text":"我們總的想法是為下一個階段的台灣要做好準備第一項是為青年擴大社會照顧為減輕年輕父母養育子女的負擔政府去年起實施了公立幼兒園平日課後延長及寒暑假照顧的服務持續推動0到6歲國家一起養的2.0"},{"start":7944.844,"end":7965.378,"text":"而讓高中時跟大專院校學生都有公平的就學機會我們也持續縮短公私立大學的學費差距落實高中時免學費讓經濟弱勢的學生同樣享有教育的平權為照顧出社會的年輕人今年我們將"},{"start":7966.658,"end":7974.645,"text":"最低工資調整為28,590元,時薪190元,條幅分別是4.08以及3.8個百分比,是連續第九年的調漲,而全國軍工教育待遇也調整了3%,也期待帶動民間的薪資成長。"},{"start":7988.021,"end":8011.262,"text":"所以政府也透過薪資透明化實質鼓勵企業加薪創造這個新的策略以多元方式來提升國內整體的薪資比如我們要求上市櫃公司必須在章程明定從年度的盈餘提撥一定比率為基層員工調薪或分配酬勞"},{"start":8012.509,"end":8027.235,"text":"並研議揭露薪資的方式跟提高它的門檻鼓勵中小企業善盡社會責任只要為員工加薪就能獲得最高3500萬的額外的融資保證保證的乘數達到95%而且手續費年費的率也僅僅有0.1%"},{"start":8038.823,"end":8050.849,"text":"政府也推動減稅調高2024年基本生活費2024年的中所稅免稅額及標準扣除額及各項特別額都提與調高"},{"start":8051.38,"end":8075.565,"text":"而今年五月報稅的時候國人就會感受到有687萬戶的國人會感受到這種減稅帶來的家庭負擔的減輕那麼我們以青壯年雙親的四口家庭為例雙親育有兩名子女所年所得在146.1萬元以下都是免於繳稅的"},{"start":8078.13,"end":8097.154,"text":"為了讓青年能勇於向世界追夢,本院合訂了青年百億海外圓夢基金計畫,提供15-30歲的年輕人能夠多元實踐自己的夢想,個案最高可以補助200萬元,讓經濟弱勢的年輕人同樣享有機會實踐人生理想。"},{"start":8101.715,"end":8125.17,"text":"為滿足員工的彈性需求 我們也推動雙照顧雙就業完善公共支持體系逐年提高婦女中高齡者以及高齡者的勞動參與率鼓勵他們重返工作現場 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下一頁就是思瑤的觀察您是史上最難為的行政院院長因為面對國際的變局面對中國的步步進逼乃至於在國會"},{"start":21760.589,"end":21781.495,"text":"受到在野黨的杯葛執政您都是最為難為挑戰最多的院長您剛提到了復議因為您面對的違憲法案最多不管是提出復議還包括目前有三個法案都已經提出釋憲而國會擴選法案已被宣判違憲"},{"start":21782.995,"end":21807.179,"text":"第二呢您面對的錢坑法案、肉桶法案也最多我這個會期又重新幫您試算了一下現在各黨在野黨的委員提出來的錢坑肉桶法案有33個案不管是一次性的經費或者是分年度的支出至少國庫一年3兆3500億起跳這非常可怕"},{"start":21811.673,"end":21835.409,"text":"您面對的也是史上總預算被刪減最高的一次所以說在面對這麼多的困難當中您是史上最難為的院長夏業但是我同時要為您平反您是我所看到史上最努力溝通的院長怎麼說"},{"start":21837.031,"end":21852.043,"text":"在窮盡一切的努力在各個階段在各種可能性您都不放棄努力我回溯一下過去的這一年您記得嗎10月11號我們跟韓院長一起吃了和解飯"},{"start":21853.476,"end":21873.203,"text":"然後11月7號您又再次邀集各黨的黨鞭到行政院您的御山廳我們一起針對總預算立委不應當片面的以修法的方式來增加政府預算之支出這違反憲法預算法跟財政紀律法"},{"start":21873.743,"end":21899.001,"text":"您希望透過這個協調去定下彼此的遊戲規則這是第二次您的努力第三次當然是總統依據憲法44條來進行的院計協商之後您依舊不放棄溝通您努力的促成了也感謝韓院長召開再一次的總預算協商即便我們都知道三讀通過的總預算"},{"start":21900.342,"end":21913.623,"text":"如果要能夠去做調整它存在著巨大的困難但是不放棄努力所以我說您是一個史上最努力溝通的行政院院長我要為您平反您認為呢"},{"start":21917.187,"end":21938.726,"text":"委員這是鼓勵還是這是鼓勵這是加冕我也期待您未來還需要不放棄溝通請問委員您這樣的說法面對違憲最多的法案那還好我們有憲法的救濟程序面對錢坑法案還好我們在立法院還有很多的機會可以好好的以福國利民的法案為優先"},{"start":21939.807,"end":21968.237,"text":"那麼面對那麼多被刪減的預算還好我有提出我們是因為新增事項很多所以我們不是胡亂編一個史上最高的至於說溝通協調這個本來就是在政治上必須要做的工作也不是我單人一人所為也謝謝韓院長更謝謝總統在40的時候出面更謝謝朝野各黨團也能夠坐下來討論即使我在剛剛的報告當中所說的過去的這一年行政立法兩院"},{"start":21968.939,"end":21992.114,"text":"在磨合期,風波起起伏伏但我相信,風波總會過去風平浪靜,雨過天晴的那一天總會來到民主就是不斷的對話,下一頁所以呢,很多在野黨的委員,包括您剛剛也自嘲您是提出富裕最多的一個院長但我要說,當立法院違憲成為慣例的時候"},{"start":21994.355,"end":22023.174,"text":"行政部門憲政機關的維護憲法就是必須因為你必須要善盡憲法賦予您的憲法忠誠義務不管是提起復議讓立法院針對至愛難行的法案重新審視或者是依循核限的程序提出暫時處分或釋憲這都是您的不得不然下一頁辛惠琪的新期許韓院長也在這"},{"start":22024.255,"end":22035.44,"text":"我在這裡希望我再一次說2025應該是台灣國會重建民主的一年我們希望四個期許第一個擱置爭議的議題我們一起努力去做到民生優先"},{"start":22040.763,"end":22066.68,"text":"第二個沒有討論不是民主國會應當要進行民主的討論程序而最重要的討論機制場域就在委員會的中心主義要被落實讓專業說話最後一個有賴於韓院長我們必須要協商真正的成為對話的場域而不是過水快轉"},{"start":22068.041,"end":22090.868,"text":"的假協商只重程序而沒有實質的協商那不利於台灣國會民主的重建所以我個人也擔任一年以來的黨鞭我非常的期待2025我們一起努力讓台灣的國會能夠重建民主這四大期許我們一起努力來做到好嗎"},{"start":22091.508,"end":22111.975,"text":"委員你也是最辛苦最強的幹事長你也帶領黨團在總召的領導者底下我們確實在這個環境底下做了很多我們原先以為不會那麼順利的事情這是大家共同努力的結果我也出身立法院我絕對尊重立法院只要立法院任何一個法案跟預算合法合憲而且經過"},{"start":22113.553,"end":22141.766,"text":"法定程序經過實質的協商經過民主的投票出來的結果行政院一定遵守所以國會應當是一個少數服從多數但是多數一定要尊重少數讓少數的意見多元的意見能夠被傳達而不是被噤聲下一頁再下一頁再下一頁當然這個會期在野黨提出來了很多民生"},{"start":22143.39,"end":22171.429,"text":"的議案但是我要強調民生議案也必然要經過多元而充分的討論匯聚社會的共識首先國定假日的天數調整立法院已經有19個立委的版本那行政院的立場我相信您也收集了各方的意見可以簡要跟我們說明就國定假日的天數調整目前您這裡的言議目前我們的國定假日"},{"start":22172.529,"end":22200.587,"text":"是一年有115或116天因為論年的關係那這個是符合大院的這個附帶決議的文字所以我們一直在這裡面調整那現在我們有聽到很多的聲音希望能夠多增加但一個增加會超出這樣的立法院當初大院的一個文字再來增加要增加到哪裡去要增加哪一天增加什麼決議它必須要有"},{"start":22202.147,"end":22219.197,"text":"對國人來有意義對國家要有意義所以我們一直希望說能夠採全國的一致性的原則而且增加的要能夠我希望以社會付出成本最低變化最少的方式來增加所以如果能這個討論底下那大家能夠很公開理性的討論"},{"start":22220.478,"end":22235.853,"text":"最近大家提到七天假但是我還是很清楚的要報告沒有所謂七天假要不要還的問題因為七天假的前提是我們在沒有落實週休二日的時候是馬前總統那個時候提出的以落實"},{"start":22237.274,"end":22255.532,"text":"週休二日的時候七天假就取消那現在我們有95%的執行率達成率幾乎國人95%都有落實到週休二日所以沒有所謂七天假但是要不要回復哪一天如果它具有特殊的意義有全國的一致性那麼變動也會最少"},{"start":22256.766,"end":22281.945,"text":"好野各方產業界跟勞動朋友都能夠來一致的話那我們可以開放我們可以找出一個最佳解所以我的主張也跟您雷同我認為增加假日是可以正向積極的討論但是要還原事實您剛剛說的這幾年來我們改善勞權週休二日上路之後現在週休二日的比例已經來到94.77%"},{"start":22284.887,"end":22309.796,"text":"而也搭配了縮短工時週休二日加上增加特別休假的幾個配套現在台灣受僱員工的總工時已經降到2020年一個小時但是我們不滿意我們還要持續的精進但是回到這個關鍵的議題就是我非常同意您說的增加假日應當是建立制度"},{"start":22310.516,"end":22330.727,"text":"全國一致我個人也看了19個版本我認為各個版本的立法旗艦人多如果能夠行政院是不是研議就現行的辦法下手可以更有彈性的來增加假日的部分來促成擴大多元的對話"},{"start":22332.552,"end":22350.3,"text":"關於勞動工時的問題因為我們國家的計算跟其他國家的計算有一個基礎的不同是部分工時我們是比較少其他國家比較多所以合併算起來我們的工時會比較長這個勞動部可以再詳細說明所以紀念日的法制化我請內政部也可以說明"},{"start":22351.365,"end":22379.682,"text":"所以部長有要提出對岸的修法還是我們傾向用行政命令現行的要點目前為止我們希望能夠維持現狀因為19個委員的版本都會有特別身份的人要特別放假但是跟剛剛所說的勞動基準法在105年公布之後現在所有的工時或是所有的放假日已經跟軍公教都齊平那我們會認為說第一個維持現狀第二個就是我們剛剛所提到的這個制度要建立的時候要有共識"},{"start":22380.462,"end":22399.04,"text":"我們去年十月在內政委員會的時候邀集各方的包括中小企業的團體來的時候他們的說法就跟一般的勞團的說法不見相同所以我們覺得說如果沒有各方有共識之前貿然就把這個國定假日法變成是一個法律案的話恐怕會有很多不同的爭議"},{"start":22399.801,"end":22424.339,"text":"好 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壯世代的風暴帶給台灣社會什麼省思"},{"start":22430.106,"end":22448.113,"text":"我認為我也非常遺憾上午就站在這個地方我們吳春城委員他辭去立委我尊重個人的去留但是公共政策的辯論跟是非曲直的探討也不會因為個人的去留而停止"},{"start":22449.033,"end":22472.479,"text":"本席非常覺得遺憾居然把本席還有陳時中政委拖下水我要再次的還原所謂的壯世代的促進法這個專法在朝野協商的場域伍思堯作為黨團的幹部我非常努力的協助行政部門跟各黨之間我們來提出一個對於行政部門衝擊較小"},{"start":22474.46,"end":22485.728,"text":"而且是更為可行的一個法案因此我拆了三個地雷第一個原來的吳春城的版本是要求行政院要有壯世代的專責辦公室我們認為期期已為不可"},{"start":22489.651,"end":22508.684,"text":"第二他要求行政院要為壯世代新立基金這又是一個違憲的法案當然不可能接受所以我也成功的協調刪除了這個條文第三個吳春城民眾黨要求兩年內內閣相關的法案都要一律的證明改為壯世代我們認為姿勢體大"},{"start":22511.886,"end":22539.16,"text":"所以我希望說一個理性的公共政策的討論不要拿別人來背鍋也不要把行政部門來合理化現在委員個人是否有涉及圖利個人涉及事項的討論我認為這對民主的社會都不健康我只剩下最後20秒我也不知道怎麼來講我的最後一個議題社會需要的是青年基本法"},{"start":22540.06,"end":22554.809,"text":"我們要哪一種世代正義我們不要讓富者更富我們應當拉年輕人一把七年基本法吳思瑤從第十屆倡議到十一屆我今天沒有時間論述可不可以正面"},{"start":22558.012,"end":22585.717,"text":"我們請行政院專科通責任來提出今年基本法的原定這才是臺灣社會最期待的事但就院長先公告報告委員會對現在的新年政策在做統一的整理和分析我們認為如果有一個最高的基本原則來當政府施政更有方向的局面也讓各局面一起瞭解政府的政策我請教育部的公務員好好來討論未來是怎麼樣"},{"start":22593.12,"end":22614.508,"text":"我希望卓院長可以成為最頂新年的行政院院長我們一起來提七年整個法律是所有新年世代共同的場地就是讓台灣的世代正義大陸下跌的人等具有憲法慰藉的整個法律我一定會好奇的就像你放棄卓院院長我們一起來整個法律謝謝好 謝謝吳思瑤的資訊謝謝卓院長及相關部會所長的備詢"},{"start":22617.13,"end":22630.401,"text":"現在在我們議場二樓旁聽的是另外一批來自台北市成功高中的同學我們掌聲歡迎接下來我們請傅坤祺委員請質詢"},{"start":22650.063,"end":22671.148,"text":"院長辛苦了 我們請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓院長早上聽你冗長的施政報告大概破紀錄了"},{"start":22673.152,"end":22701.018,"text":"這個第一次由秦鎮院長到立法院報告的一個小時本席早上一直等著要總質詢終於讓你順利的把我延到下午來 請教一下這兩天 全國國人萬眾矚目對於現在整個血汗工廠我們醫護的整體的工作環境兩個月 七百多名醫護離開"},{"start":22702.898,"end":22731.874,"text":"工作崗位因為不堪沉重的負荷所以去年在立法院三讀通過主決議整個醫療點值要提升到0.95元通過了以後果然行政院拒不執行延宕了兩個多月到最後才簽署了今年要來執行"},{"start":22734.261,"end":22758.124,"text":"我們已經告訴院長醫護人員是守護2300萬人的健康而現在血汗工廠從來沒有停過從去年0.95元健保點值一直到今年現在院長我們的醫護人員行政院做了什麼"},{"start":22759.735,"end":22788.389,"text":"很謝謝委員 早上我是用了比較多的時間向各位委員先進報告過去一年來大家一起努力的成果院長 請教對醫護人員做了什麼 請回答本席的問題我們在去年底 我們已經核定了將所有台灣各區的健保點值無論它在什麼樣的點值的比算數字底下我們都把它提升到至少0.9"},{"start":22790.202,"end":22808.538,"text":"那我們也用了一百二十二億的經費來提升什麼時候到零點九五照大院當時的決議是在今年要努力的目標不是努力的目標 要完成不是努力的目標衛福部也一直把它當作一個目標在執行為期一年內到今年七月十六號"},{"start":22809.761,"end":22838.164,"text":"要完成0.95本院的決議本席非常清楚貴黨的總召柯建民也有簽字院會正式宣讀通過民進黨通通都有簽字不要忘記卓院長在行政院你邀請我去本席去了你也簽字了到今年7月16號以前要達到每一個點子0.95元你必須要完成"},{"start":22839.23,"end":22862.555,"text":"這是對國人的承諾另外到零點九五的時候還要注意什麼事情?不知道當初的協議嗎?我們行政院還要注意什麼事情?當初還有很多協議我們這一天在行政院談的還有很多協議沒有關係院長如果不知不覺本席再一次證告你"},{"start":22864.571,"end":22882.538,"text":"健保頂值到0.95元是給醫護人員不是給醫院來賺錢所以你們的配套要去盯醫護人員的待遇有沒有提升輪班制度有沒有合理"},{"start":22886.134,"end":22910.897,"text":"這個還不到0.95的這個標準之前我們一直希望所有的對健保的協助都要大部分具體發用在醫護人員身上這是我印象的政策所以院長你說我們還沒有到0.95元你們就已經做了那為什麼這麼多的離職潮表示政府失能也失靈本席再來請教一下"},{"start":22912.585,"end":22914.167,"text":"好請問一下林靜儀衛福部的次長表示"},{"start":22929.389,"end":22956.926,"text":"對於基層醫療人員希望他伸出援手解決這個問題他的回答所以你的小腦袋裡政府按一個鈕就可以完全改變嗎今天早上在說他要深知檢討檢討什麼對於來歷不明的這樣的一個嘲諷他不應該貿然的去回應"},{"start":22958.488,"end":22987.715,"text":"這是一個政府政務官該有的態度嗎院長 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有委員提出也好只要經過民主的程序 實質的討論民主的表決 都會得到國家跟人民的尊重所以這個也形成一個慣例但是我才認為這種立法行政之間的"},{"start":24723.662,"end":24740.008,"text":"分際分立這個分也要清楚我也很遺憾我們的手語的老師沒有辦法在當時停了一個禮拜後來我們去請求我們去申請台北市政府來協助台北市政府也說還好他們的預算可以讓我們"},{"start":24740.848,"end":24754.243,"text":"申請兩個禮拜 也僅僅兩個禮拜而已我們想想 若台北市政府的預算也被刪除他們連自己跟幫忙行政院兩個禮拜都沒有那兩個禮拜之後 現在我們是經由其他的部會來請"},{"start":24756.263,"end":24778.209,"text":"相關的團體來進行手語的老師來告訴這些朋友們應該知道的訊息我總覺得這不是正常的方式這非正道如果我們能夠重新對預算的內容來加以考慮的話那麼也許該恢復的部分能夠及時的恢復能夠讓預算本身是一個完整結構正常運作的預算"},{"start":24779.158,"end":24797.091,"text":"那我想接下來行政院會提出復議那立法院當然這邊就要有所表態我個人當然是支持行政院提出復議因為我要說雖然藍白口口聲聲說讓民進黨很難做事要煽到人民有感但是我要說所有的政策都在服務人民的需求"},{"start":24797.611,"end":24817.559,"text":"人民有不同的需求因著不同的身份因著不同的生命經驗都會對行政院對整個執政團隊對國家政府是有期待的我希望這些期待可以盡速的完成可以讓人民真的覺得國家是走在對的路上而這個當然需要立法院的支持我想後續我們會一起努力接下來我想要跟院長談一談剛剛早上"},{"start":24820.1,"end":24840.467,"text":"請辭的吳春成委員關於撞世代促進法還有相關的預算我想非常多的爭議我就不再贅述不再浪費時間但是我要再次強調就算辭去立法委員但是已經三讀通過留下來的撞促法可能還是會對相關部會的行政造成了非常多的干擾這個部分我想要請院長說說看有什麼解決的方法"},{"start":24841.564,"end":24859.567,"text":"第一個早上吳委員說這是一個公共化的問題那就沒有所謂商業的行為他也商標放棄但我認為現在是要跟社會對話的時候因為社會對這個名詞的定義如果還不是那麼清楚而且大院裡面還有委員在討論我們尊重委員的討論"},{"start":24860.228,"end":24880.139,"text":"那行政院裡面的部分呢我跟部會首長談過我們現在不能涉入所有跟商業有關的任何行為也不能為任何有商業嫌疑的各種契約或行為來做背書所以我們會很謹慎的非必要我們不使用這樣的一個名詞來做現在內外的討論"},{"start":24883.257,"end":24899.69,"text":"那部長已經在您身邊了洪部長你怎麼知道我要問你勞動部的部分因為我們之前看到其實在之前勞動部就有相關的辦法但是我們那時候都覺得很疑惑那後來我覺得事情越來越明白我們想知道勞動部您後續有什麼作為可以去調整呼應剛剛院長所說的部分"},{"start":24901.155,"end":24916.549,"text":"我想其實勞動部確實在去年年初的時候我們有幾個相關的計畫是有用壯世代這樣子的名詞那當時其實一個原因主要是因為我們看了一下這個勞動參與率的時候確實台灣的勞動參與率到55歲以上的時候會有下降的狀況"},{"start":24920.765,"end":24946.903,"text":"那不過經過這一段時間社會上面對壯世代有很多的討論包括爭議也經歷剛才說到商標或者是這個煽動預算的狀況坦白說我們最近也收到越來越多55歲以上的朋友來跟我們表達說他55歲以上可是他不希望被被稱作壯世代那所以確實勞動部現在我們也在檢討"},{"start":24951.039,"end":24967.061,"text":"對於該照顧的人比方說55歲以上的勞參率我們會做到位而且我們也希望能夠做得更好把該照顧的人照顧到把事情做好可是對於特定的名詞我想我們不會拘泥於特定的名詞我們對特定名詞也不會有堅持"},{"start":24967.942,"end":24995.299,"text":"所以剛剛委員的詢問我們會對於到底用什麼樣子的名詞比較適當最適當那我們會來找專家學者來做討論那我們會做一輪的檢討最重要的原則是我們希望能夠把政策目的達到比方說就不希望說可能會有一些人他可能因為對於特定名詞的認同的問題所以他反而不想參與我們的政策計畫那這反而就對於我們原本設計政策的目標的原意會有一些衝突"},{"start":24996.019,"end":25010.736,"text":"所以怎麼樣能夠達到我們的政策的目標但也希望能夠降低社會的爭議我想這會是我們在未來在選擇相關名詞的時候比較重要的原則這部分我們會來檢討但重點是我們要把事情做好該照顧的人要照顧到位好 謝謝部長"},{"start":25011.136,"end":25013.177,"text":"我想要跟院長快速討論時間有限我想要快速討論即將在8月掛牌成立的運動部"},{"start":25038.624,"end":25056.813,"text":"但是因為是未來進行式所以我想有很多事情可能都還沒有發生但是我們過往在民間收集到非常多的聲音我想我就先一併提醒交給院長第一個關於運動可以團結台灣這件事情其實除了我身上穿的Teen Taiwan之外其實過去一整個禮拜還有籃球還有桌球"},{"start":25057.273,"end":25074.165,"text":"我們台灣有非常多優秀的選手都在民間為自己努力也為國家爭光那我要肯定行政院在過去這段時間由鄭麗君副院長主持召開了四場相關的諮詢會議也帶進了非常多民間的聲音我認為這對於性的運動部非常重要"},{"start":25074.685,"end":25094.816,"text":"接下來我要講的是但是過往台灣體育所面對的問題比較多都只有競技跟產業但是在一些角落可能過去因為資源不夠人力不夠的問題比較少被處理我認為在未來運動部要拜託行政院積極地用行政院的高度來處理第一個是關於兒少運動再來是適應體育接下來是運動文化"},{"start":25096.397,"end":25115.911,"text":"我們辦公室在過去一整年當中也主動積極召開找相關民間專家學者來討論第一個關於兒少運動的部分過去台灣體育班的政策確實造成了一些扭曲我想我時間有限我想要給院長看一段影片這個是陳傑憲跟賴清德總統見面的影片"},{"start":25123.948,"end":25144.395,"text":"可能沒那麼好因為畢竟國外 日本或美國他們在國小國中其實都是以社團性質 俱樂部性質下去打動球所以他們不會荒謬到學院書讀得不夠多那我們在科學上就跟不上正常人所以我們也許以後球沒打完我們會變成就只有棒球這個專長那未來我們要做什麼那也是要重新學習但如果你今天讀書或打球能夠經過的話那當然對於未來就會有多項選擇我是覺得這是我們比較欠缺的"},{"start":25145.162,"end":25171.277,"text":"好 陳傑憲身為聽猜問的隊長他告訴賴總統我們希望未來的選手可以讀書跟運動兼顧在今天的報導者今天早上出了一個報導在國中會考5C學生的比例如果全國110學年度全國學生5C的比例是6.88%體育班的學生高達18.53可是再把棒球體育班的學生5C的比例是39.52也就是6倍以上"},{"start":25172.357,"end":25188.285,"text":"111學年度是6.27體育班是17.72到了棒球體育班學生是36.06我會說這不是一任新的院長在過去一年當中就可以解決的問題它其實過去長久以來結構的問題但是未來在升格城運動部我真的很希望這個問題可以獲得改善"},{"start":25190.146,"end":25217.264,"text":"也要拜託教育部或者是未來的運動部如何在體育班相關的配套跟分工還有孩子們的權益拜託一定要顧到就像我想要問的是我自己的小孩學音樂或者是我朋友的小孩學美術他們在音樂班在美術班但是他們在過往業務分工不會被丟給文化部他們還是在教育部他們是教育部的孩子我認為體育班的孩子也是一樣如果真的把它丟給運動部很多的教育配套我認為會出現問題"},{"start":25220.326,"end":25248.13,"text":"但是後續的很多配套我想我們會在基期跟行政院跟部長這邊討論可以嗎好接下來謝謝部長接下來我要談的是關於運動文化的部分我們也辦了相關的會議座談那甚至石明錦也是部分區委員他提到說文化如果過未來是在產業司主導可是他有一些擔心例如說產業在意的是競技在意的是錢的可能但是沒有不會立即看到錢的包含運動文化"},{"start":25249.99,"end":25277.717,"text":"運動畫館 運動名人堂 運動博物館有沒有在我們運動文化累積的想像當中在目前的規劃報告我們沒有辦法看到全貌但是我們真的會很擔心我們希望它不要只有在產業的想像當中它必須有一個更好的更高度的想像包含周思齊在我們辦的座談會當中他也親自現身說法看見了整個運動文化的需求希望珍視運動文化目前我們的運動文化只有數位典藏"},{"start":25278.277,"end":25296.174,"text":"但是更多的我剛說的不應該歸產業想像的部分可不可以有政府高度的支持好 接下來最後一個是關於怕孕跟所謂身心障礙人口所需要的適應運動適應運動過往在台灣體育署主責的情況下它比較接近禁忌"},{"start":25296.674,"end":25325.13,"text":"他符合帕運的想像但是全台灣有將近百萬的身心障礙人口他們有日常生活運動的需求又或者是我們在修完特教法之後我們發現特教生越來越多孩子們在學校尤其是身心障礙的孩子有適應體育的需求這過往在體育署不夠錢人不夠的情況之下他可能很難面面兼顧但是未來在成立運動部之後相關學齡階段普特融合孩子們的需求"},{"start":25325.67,"end":25351.309,"text":"百萬身心障礙人口運動的需求還有現在所有公立運動場館對於身心障礙者的需求都需要被照顧到這個也要一併拜託院長我把相關的考慮擔心先提出來再來一個關於全民運動署的部分我們看到有規劃了全民運動署我們非常期待當運動走向全民運動的時候它絕對是一個更開闊的想像但是我們聽到關於所謂海洋山林運動組"},{"start":25352.25,"end":25380.501,"text":"我們聽到很多基層來告訴我們沒有相關的討論我們很擔心走的不夠充分所以我提出簡單的建議後續我也可以快速再提供給行政院最後一個關於單項協會的管理還有運動員的權益其實也是很多網路上的年輕人非常在意的事情我們未來有沒有機會成立一個專門的司來協助協會的行政協助協會的監督協會透過協助協會來協助台灣的選手我覺得這個部分也許我們可以從長計議"},{"start":25381.761,"end":25398.944,"text":"講了這麼多我對運動部有真的滿滿的期待而且也非常樂意見到他在八月即將掛牌我們會有相關的預算相關的人力投入但是所有的討論跟提醒都是出於善意希望全面的運動部成立之後所有的孩子被照顧到所有身心障礙人口被照顧到"},{"start":25399.745,"end":25417.903,"text":"所有過去為台灣累積運動文化選手的聲音被聽見所以透過運動文化的累積我們也會看到更多的可能所以這麼多的許願就先一併交給院長好嗎院長你還有40秒兩點答覆第一個總統一再指示我也一再要求也謝謝鄭麗君副院長召集了相當多次的諮詢小組的會議"},{"start":25419.841,"end":25431.515,"text":"我們希望是一個全新的運動部所以未來他的組織一定往全新的概念去發展也可以做更多的調解協調跟調適第二個我希望他是以全民運動為基礎開發出發最終達到一個運動產業的全面發展中間透過體育競技"},{"start":25439.16,"end":25458.442,"text":"國際事務的參與跟調適運動 適應運動來分別做很多的路徑跟管道但是未來的運動產業絕對不是以商業掛帥的產業而是一個多元的那您聽到了這些運動文化我看到很多在諮詢小組的委員裡面都有相類似的建議我們都會重視"},{"start":25465.08,"end":25473.997,"text":"好 谢谢陈培宇委员执行谢谢卓院长及相关部会所长的备询谢谢好 欢迎我们现在休息十分钟"},{"start":26117.639,"end":26121.62,"text":"好謝謝主席我請卓院長還有邱部長麻煩請卓院長邱太元邱部長邱部長備詢"},{"start":26152.571,"end":26178.38,"text":"黃委員好 院長好 部長好星期天我想院長也有受邀到總統官邸去烤肉那麼在同一時間其實早在春節過後我們各大醫院的急診室塞滿了病患而且前幾天發生一件憾事就是有一位"},{"start":26179.76,"end":26200.731,"text":"南部醫院醫學中心的病人因為他找不到ICU的病床沒有辦法開刀所以一直輾轉的找各大醫院花了8個小時才動刀但是後來非常不幸的過世這件事情其實震撼了醫界也震撼了台灣"},{"start":26201.992,"end":26222.311,"text":"我想可能院長和部長都記得20年前台北市曾經發生邱小妹事件當時這個邱小妹她是受虐兒她就是在各大醫院的急診室變成人球所以後來她一直到台中才收了這個病人"},{"start":26225.895,"end":26232.508,"text":"當時包含當時的衛生署包含當時的醫界全面性去檢討我們的制度發生了什麼樣的問題"},{"start":26233.837,"end":26263.143,"text":"沒想到20年後我們又看到了這樣的情景所以院長我知道你是受邀參加我們也看到很多照片那大家非常開心的吃烤肉但是當民眾受苦在急診室裡面等病床或者輾轉在路上找不到急診院沒有辦法開到的時候難免會讓大家覺得這是不是綠門酒肉臭路有病死骨"},{"start":26264.348,"end":26292.11,"text":"這樣的狀況我們絕對絕對絕對要再避免當然我也知道部長這邊立刻召開了會議宣布了相關的所謂的這個三大因應對策還有兩大中長程的改革可是一般的議界不認為在短期內可以會被解決那我想請問一下"},{"start":26293.413,"end":26321.433,"text":"部長除了這個比較屬於中長期或者因應對策之外有沒有一些可以緊急的方式立刻能夠解決從春節以來大家塞爆在急診室好像有如戰地甚至有人說急診還躺在地上這樣的一個情景有沒有機會有沒有可能在短期內可以得到紓解報告委員我想認得一個"},{"start":26323.602,"end":26341.879,"text":"病人因為有傷或傷亡我們真的是會非常的難過部長願意為這個事件而道歉嗎我想我如果以這個個案的話因為他是2月19號7點因為肚子痛"},{"start":26342.532,"end":26367.578,"text":"所以到成大醫院成大醫院急診團隊經過了診治以後判定他是因為部長這個狀況我們其實都從媒體報導很清楚所以我想請問部長這個事件我們政府該不該道歉兩件事情跟委員報告第一個容許我簡單的說明就是前一天的餐敘是"},{"start":26369.279,"end":26383.104,"text":"總統或是行政院在開議之前例行的所以那個參敘是總統是自掏腰包沒有問到公費但這個不代表我們對這個事情的不關心我從2月10號年後放假結束第一天我就跟衛部講"},{"start":26383.704,"end":26407.478,"text":"他們提出的那個兩三個禮拜才能紓解急診用篩情形我非常的在意不能這樣做到你不滿意嗎2月10號有交代2月19號發生這個漢字我剛才問部長院沒有到院長你要不要為這件事情而道歉好第二件事情是成大的那個案件我們精查起來他沒有轉轉好幾個醫院找不到他是由台南成大直接沒有錯還是找不到啊他還是"},{"start":26409.939,"end":26434.799,"text":"所以老師的時間關係 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好不好"},{"start":26721.089,"end":26750.028,"text":"昨天早上我要求第一個這個因為社會不解不了解我們用了什麼方式解決問題要讓社會了解第二個病人不安這不是社會解不解決連醫院都不知道這些問題怎麼解決你還要讓社會怎麼解決病人都躺在急診室裡面你要讓他知道你怎麼解決病人非常的不安一定要做好這些說明的工作讓醫院都知道吧再來人力不足我們要快速地來提升人力醫院竟然要一個個打電話我們現在是什麼時代啊系統已經完成了他的系統完成了"},{"start":26750.368,"end":26761.599,"text":"請快解決 好 時間暫停 請院長先回我要請一下我們NCC的代理主委好 請卓院長 請回座不是 不是 部長 部長對不起邱部長 請邱部長 對不起 請邱部長 麻煩請NCC"},{"start":26779.804,"end":26798.96,"text":"好 我們代理主委 院長在今年農曆春節一結束有一件事情也引發極大民眾的抗議跟憤怒就是NCC突然的公告就是攜帶包含藍牙跟Wi-Fi電子傳輸的相關的產品設備要課一件750塊錢的一個檢驗費"},{"start":26807.047,"end":26821.583,"text":"這個事情後來鬧到沸沸揚揚引起重大的民怨最後這個NCC現在的狀況是叫做所謂的暫緩只是暫緩收取而已"},{"start":26822.364,"end":26843.992,"text":"以現在來講也就是說你不管是輸入或輸出都要在Easyway的這個NCC的一個切結書你要先填寫切結書而且這個切結書你一定要說同意喔同意檢驗你不同意還送不出去然後呢告訴你以後還是會收好所以"},{"start":26845.995,"end":26859.931,"text":"這個引起重大民怨的事件到現在為止好像你以為消聲匿跡了嗎不是啊NCC只不過是緩兵之計說暫緩收取我們還不曉得什麼時候要收取"},{"start":26860.552,"end":26883.428,"text":"那未來收取要多少錢通通不知道所以所有的消費者還是覺得非常的忐忑而且這件事情讓大家覺得政府搶錢搶得太過分了所以院長我相信你們的輿情蒐集一定有這個議題院長現在你同意NCC用暫緩收取的方式來做緩兵之計嗎"},{"start":26886.479,"end":26915.007,"text":"年後我們也發現這個問題所以當天跟NCC通過這個溝通之後因為到底是一個獨立機關由他們來了解社會的反應以及大家希望怎麼樣處置所以當天他們就做下來了我們現在是支持NCC做這樣的決定收還是不收你現在不過緩兵之際啊大家不知道你收不收收還是不收跟委員報告這個案子我們經過依歸廢法相關規定含包財政部取得這個停征的"},{"start":26915.595,"end":26934.818,"text":"同意他尊重我們的決議所以目前就是沒有不再收取費用所以確定不收對不對我們現在就不再收取費用你現在不收取你未來不收取現在只是暫緩喔你告訴我你的公文上只是暫緩喔所以你是現在不收取未來可能收取嗎"},{"start":26935.933,"end":26958.046,"text":"我們函報財政部之前是暫緩收取那函報財政部之後財政部的答覆是尊重我們停徵你還是沒有回答問題好我來問院長這事情他這樣給我呼嚨啊你再繼續給我呼嚨吧是決定暫緩可是函請財政部說明之後財政部尊重NCC所以現在NCC的決定是就停徵了"},{"start":26958.967,"end":26967.902,"text":"所以聽證 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最近包含泰國的商務部長趕快跑到美國去"},{"start":27137.827,"end":27157.769,"text":"然後韓國的這些企業大老闆也跑到美國去趕快去書城啊說怎麼辦呢我要怎麼做美國你才不要來報復我懲罰我啊很重要那麼我們呢也派了我們的次長經濟部的次長江文若江次長美女次長"},{"start":27158.985,"end":27177.199,"text":"但是問題是院長這麼重大的事情我們的美女次長見到了什麼樣的成績不管是美國商務部或者貿易代表署見到什麼成績您知道嗎雙方的貿易平衡這個是國際間往來一個對等相當重要的原則所以我們"},{"start":27178.012,"end":27200.636,"text":"不全然沾沾自喜我們對美國的貿易順差我們希望雙方能夠平衡但是就產業面來講我們是一個現在產業供應鏈重要的角色所以多輸出一些高科技產品這也是必然的現象我想這個經過理解之後我們再從其他的方面來平衡這個貿易那麼經濟部江文若次長去到美國他一定有他的安排跟管道"},{"start":27200.976,"end":27223.575,"text":"那見到誰您知道嗎?他有跟您報告嗎?或者部長有跟您報告嗎?或者我們的副院長有跟您報告嗎?因為副院長每個禮拜都在主持相關的會議啊到底院長知不知道?姜文若到底見到誰?姜文若次長去之前我當然知道去之後不曉得見到誰但是我們通常了解整個過程我要必須講這就是一個警訊"},{"start":27229.153,"end":27258.172,"text":"這就是一個警訊這個事情你要親自的去監督因為這個事情對台灣太重要了台灣本來就是以一個貿易出差為導向的一個經濟體當美國的市場對我們已經越來越重要已經達到四分之一然後現在中國大陸市場包含香港是三分之一我們一直希望說降低對中國的這個市場的依賴"},{"start":27259.233,"end":27270.746,"text":"但是對美國我剛才講了我們的順差數字節節高升川普絕對不高興那我也覺得奇怪了部長你去年去了幾次美國啊"},{"start":27271.826,"end":27284.391,"text":"你去年去過幾次美國?去過一次那你這次為什麼自己不親自去呢?我剛才說泰國的商務部長趕快去他去了以後立刻他都很公開的他說我們要跟美國買你的石油"},{"start":27290.578,"end":27315.335,"text":"買你的大豆 買你的玉米告訴大家 就直接跟美國坦誠布公我要跟你買東西呀 你不要報復我泰國這些企業 對不起 韓國的企業界他們見到了美國商務部長 新任商務部長然後直接講交易 每一家拿出十億美金你們就有特殊待遇 我們就給你服務"},{"start":27316.776,"end":27343.307,"text":"商場如戰場尤其部長是從這個商場出來的我就不懂了部長為什麼你不親自去美國啊為什麼不親自去爭取好再來我很生氣的是從川普上任之後我們就想發文給經濟部說你們應該要知道對哪些的產業對台灣的哪些產業會受影響"},{"start":27345.643,"end":27353.587,"text":"你們給我啊 千苗代謝啦說看起來沒有受什麼影響啊沒有受什麼影響才怪咧所有的企業界 大家都嚇得要死那另外 院長 我請教您我在這邊為什麼請教院長 我不是考你我是說你一定要親自盯這件事情"},{"start":27368.803,"end":27386.571,"text":"我請問你你知不知道我們的這些大的伺服器跟代工廠會在川普上任百日之前會訪問美國加碼投資美國這件事情您知道嗎我知道我知道現在我們有一些工協會的組織已經去到"},{"start":27389.11,"end":27409.745,"text":"美國去做一些現場的一些訪問那麼他們希望就他的生產的佈局能夠有所調整那這個第一個我們當然尊重產業界自己的決定再來我們也希望在全球戰略佈局情況底下政府也能夠跟產業界有一些接觸好 你說尊重已經在做這些接觸了你說尊重"},{"start":27411.36,"end":27435.8,"text":"那麼現在都傳出因為這個產業鏈這個我們總統說民主產業鏈嘛如果當台積電一直加碼到美國投資而我們包含電電工會的這些大型企業都要到美國去投資現在甚至傳出德州要成立一個所謂的德州竹科所以現在不是只有台積電要搬到美國去"},{"start":27436.681,"end":27444.487,"text":"我們還擔心竹科都要搬到美國去所以在這樣的一個趨勢下我們有沒有相對應的政策我剛才說了嘛我們不要怕丟臉啦人家泰國也不怕丟臉啦告訴你我要買什麼好我再來因為時間有限我再來跟那個院長跟部長就教"},{"start":27460.267,"end":27484.818,"text":"越南墨西哥倒霉因為他們是最早被宣布直接差距你直接提高你的那個關稅25%好像沒以為跟我們沒關係嗎台商很可憐台商很可憐中美貿易戰開始之後很多的台灣非常優良的台商他們自己另外再佈局為了怕"},{"start":27485.816,"end":27500.154,"text":"美国对中国磕针灌水他们跑到越南他们跑到墨西哥然后现在别说我们已投资越南什么富士康合作人保伟创加斯达威丹统一一大堆一头拉骨了"},{"start":27501.271,"end":27518.896,"text":"我們到墨西哥越想說在美國旁邊降低成本因為我老講尤其傳統想要到美國去投資是不可能的啦美國也不歡迎啦因為那個成本太高我們到墨西哥喉喊音樂打尾售合售廣達維穎倫堡一大堆一坨拉股"},{"start":27522.386,"end":27539.028,"text":"我就覺得奇怪了我們經濟部竟然對於我們墨西哥的台商對於我們越南的台商都沒有任何的來關心所以我要講的說我們這一次是面對一個極大極大的挑戰"},{"start":27541.277,"end":27562.9,"text":"我老實講,為什麼我們還在搞什麼大罷免,不大罷免?我們對各個國家的台商都有關心,請部長發布報告委員,墨西哥的台商有300家,我談了60家等一下,我還有其他問題,好來這個我是很直接的,這是我有直接的主張"},{"start":27564.537,"end":27593.289,"text":"因為我們面對貿易戰我們必須老講我們必須要降低對美國的貿易審查說實在我們是第六名就會被人家當成眼中釘所以我們可能要去增加採購美國的產品現在看起來我覺得能源是其中一項能源可能要加碼投資我知道現在其實能源從美國採購能源已經進入前十名了另外"},{"start":27595.017,"end":27620.569,"text":"汽车我们的台湾的汽车关税17.5%美国2.5%美国的汽车的关税如果按照这样子差那么多倍我们是不是可以降低美国汽车的关税我觉得这是很多消费者我们很多的消费者请命了"},{"start":27621.513,"end":27635.802,"text":"大家希望看到如果我們針對這個貿易戰如果我們有些產品必須降稅的話美國的汽車我們可不可以降稅這一點還有一個很重要的保健食品這個我其實我當時在這個我們財政部長立刻來了"},{"start":27640.282,"end":27655.55,"text":"我在財委會保健食品我們的關稅高到不行30%所以我們很多人只要一出國你有朋友親朋好友在美國一定要讓你去買什麼什麼維他命C啊 維古力啊 巴黎大堆啊各式各樣我們台灣保健食品關稅30%全世界"},{"start":27662.574,"end":27675.402,"text":"中國也8.5% 日本14.5% 韓國8% 美國6.4%請問我們到底在高什麼 我們的關稅到底在高什麼台灣的老百姓要吃一些保健食品要付出這麼大的代價嗎"},{"start":27676.673,"end":27692.644,"text":"委員我四個決議跟你報告我們開了很多次會議只有四點我覺得很重要的決議很簡單說明第一個我們一定跟產業界合作台灣保持先進科技的領先地位第二個任何產業界到外國去做戰略佈局"},{"start":27693.485,"end":27718.305,"text":"絕對不能讓台灣的產業空洞化第三個我們全力的向國際來做爭取避免不公平的關稅針對台灣的任何一個產業第四個如果是涉入到這種對等關稅的談判我們距離力爭在雙方最有力的情況底下我們來做最好的爭取院長請你回答很空耗那我請問兩大部長都在這邊我們的汽車關稅可以有下降的空間嗎"},{"start":27722.224,"end":27736.549,"text":"來 財政部一定是問經濟部我們只要開放美國的這個關稅2.5%就要對所有的國家開同樣的關稅2.5%所以美國的車不見得進來其他的國家的車都進來那其他的車如果他真的也有這個競爭力的話呢"},{"start":27743.482,"end":27770.196,"text":"本土的產業我們會受到傷害所以我說對準關稅我們保護本土產業很久了啦我們保護本土產業已經非常久了這個我當然知道為什麼我們一直維持高利率但是我必須說以台灣的消費者來說大家期待汽車關稅降價其實也很久了台灣的汽車關稅一直是偏高的因為保護本土產業好再來保健食品"},{"start":27771.363,"end":27785.552,"text":"那時候曾經經濟部說可以研究降低我也覺得這個很離譜可不可以我再用我總諮詢寶貴的時間為大家請命保健食品我們台灣本土的保健食品就非常的強"},{"start":27788.578,"end":27812.856,"text":"還要再次拋來保護啊對 我們這國內自己的產品嘛我們希望國人能夠愛用國人的產品嘛你就是保護嘛你就是保護嘛對消費者有好處嗎對消費者當然是好處啊好 院長 我在這邊就直接跟你說我們有很多就是在因應這次的整個的貿易關稅戰還有半導體戰"},{"start":27816.618,"end":27843.881,"text":"院長真的要親自的讀經我建議你啊 每個禮拜把幾個部長把我們經貿辦公室的主任偷找過來去盯每一個進度這件事情是重中之重啊 好不好這很重要 好 另外呢我們已經在做 我們把它做得更密集像這樣對等關稅的談判 我們朝"},{"start":27844.901,"end":27858.047,"text":"雙方有利但是我剛才不好意思說啦我們的我們姜文樂次長他所見到的成績極低啦台積電能夠見到的成績我們的次長是見不到的"},{"start":27859.551,"end":27881.842,"text":"您也知道 可是所以我覺得有些我們可以透過你看韓國瑜是些大企業家就寫美國商務部長嘛 對不對他是直接告訴你 你一家要投資多少錢我們也可以透過我們的企業界如果我們企業界真的要去的話去摸底 然後去傳達我們可以在中美貿易順暢上我們可以做些什麼"},{"start":27882.918,"end":27901.795,"text":"至少我們會有因應之道嘛好 因為我時間很有限了我還是要講一下有關於普發現金我剛才有注意院長針對剛才副總召回答你的意思說也不應該是說全部都普發現金啦還有其他的部分在"},{"start":27904.137,"end":27926.366,"text":"2022年在2022年2023年的時候所提出來的特別條例裡面包含普發先進那個6000塊裡面還包括撥補勞保基金還有包括撥補健保當時是一個package當時是一個package而我們當時也接受了"},{"start":27927.022,"end":27943.245,"text":"好但是我們真的既然全民的稅收的果實就應該要還給人民嘛不要再給我搞一些什麼你們算錯了這個錯了那個錯錯什麼錯啊你們財政部的新聞稿"},{"start":27944.642,"end":27965.565,"text":"我們不知道開了幾十年你現在告訴我說怎麼出錯這個稅收超徵出錯可以凹嗎?硬凹成這樣這個我今天齁我今天放過行政院啊你們有多少在總計算裡面造謠的啊你們連稅收超徵都可以造謠啊所以院長院長在這個普發現金的部分齁"},{"start":27986.525,"end":27997.112,"text":"好 谢谢王宏威委员发言谢谢卓院长及相关部会首长的备询接下来我们请登记第六位陈俊宇委员请咨询"},{"start":28015.17,"end":28019.195,"text":"好 謝謝韓院長 我們有請左院長麻煩再請左院長備選好 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事權卻沒有帶走那帶走多少事權在裡面並沒有清楚的說明所以未來我們希望大家能夠很理性的很冷靜的我們為了國家整體的發展"},{"start":28732.611,"end":28761.673,"text":"中央有中央的財務 財力地方也要有地方的財政但是事權要分得清清楚楚這樣才能夠各施其責 各自負責所以我們希望說財化法我們能夠有更充裕的時間跟地方在談也讓我們算得更精確那算出來之後絕對不是中央集錢又集權而是能夠分給地方的讓地方能夠來承接這個才是我們現在的原則所以我希望財化法還有機會大家能夠重新來審議"},{"start":28762.554,"end":28787.534,"text":"好 謝謝院長 我現在擔心的是因為我們宜蘭縣未來這幾年所推行的相關的公共建設都是金額非常大你假設說未來我們中央跟地方的經費的分配的比例如果做調整的話會不會影響到宜蘭相關包括交通建設還是相關建設的推動怎麼分配 部長來討論"},{"start":28788.786,"end":28817.073,"text":"地方財源主要三個地方一個就是統籌分配稅款直接進地方的稅入另外兩個中央補助的部分一個是一般型補助跟計劃型補助那計劃型補助它裡面很多是跨年度的長期的連續性的預算那地方一般性的補助裡面又有一些是法定的以及針對各個地方不同需求的補助那麼如果中央切掉一大部分的錢那這個地方的計劃型補助跟一般性補助"},{"start":28817.54,"end":28830.253,"text":"都必須有地方來承接那到底有多少如果這樣算出來的話我認為依照現在中央的這個現在的結構會讓地方感覺到說我拿了一百塊可能我要做的事情會更多"},{"start":28832.028,"end":28848.264,"text":"如果能夠統籌的話他會節省很多的行政上的作業如果單個縣市來做他必須負擔可能是不同層數的加倍所以如果這樣子來說地方可能會拿到的錢卻要做更多的事情那我們也不希望增加地方的負擔所以我請財政部來合理的計算"},{"start":28849.615,"end":28873.087,"text":"是 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也許你高市議員久了你不記得沒有關係啦我跟你講齁重點是根本沒有劃分詞你知道吧那個地方根本沒有劃分詞非常好那你再認證第二個謠言來問你齁"},{"start":1158.112,"end":1165.657,"text":"過年期間我的臉書被幾千篇留言洗版說政府現在沒有辦法做長照請問政府現在沒有辦法做長照了嗎"},{"start":1166.84,"end":1195.913,"text":"政府長照還是在做啊非常好啊但是通刪業務費之後有一些業務現在不關的業務會刪了長照哪些不發了不做了不補助了長照本身的預算沒有刪那謝謝你嘛通刪業務費之後就會影響沒有我跟你講你自己都跟我講長照沒有刪業務費通刪你可以自己做調整如果真的不夠我告訴你我說過了今天院長都已經開一條路給你最佳預算很多業務費上面刪了以後說不能留用"},{"start":1197.062,"end":1226.317,"text":"院長 院長 院長我告訴你 業務費有些刪 但是也沒有刪全部啊有刪全部嗎有的被刪全部啊有刪 有刪 你宣傳被刪全部啦業務費有的刪全部啊長照給你業務費刪光啊衛福部 衛福部請問今年跟去年的運算是差多少來 部長上來衛福部的運算今年跟去年是差多少今年比去年少嗎"},{"start":1227.349,"end":1256.349,"text":"委員說外交部的國外旅會被刪你跟我講外交部我現在跟你講衛福部啊我當然跟你講有問題的地方啊拜託我今天質詢的是長照我質詢衛福部你要跟我講別的地方在別的時間講這樣我們就避重就輕怎麼叫避重就輕外交部被刪國外旅會我告訴你今天一下一下你要跟我去講的話我們一下一下講但我今天問的是衛福部我問衛福部你跟我答外交部"},{"start":1257.49,"end":1281.726,"text":"請部長回答部長我問你啊因為長照的需求更多所以我們的確有依照長照的需求增加非常謝謝你嘛你看人家部長比你誠懇多了回答得清清楚楚謝謝你今天幫我澄清三個謠言啦龍部長我只跟你講一件事情啦剛剛我們質詢東西你在旁邊聽喔拜託你啦"},{"start":1282.682,"end":1298.975,"text":"像這些天價的問題跟川普政府好好溝通我在想請教你這是為什麼我今天要開始把這幾個所謂的你們這邊是一時最高三兆預算你自己講的然後一天到晚跟我喊窮如果這樣錢都不夠的話我告訴你啊"},{"start":1303.956,"end":1319.433,"text":"你接下去面對川普,真的不財你的責任就很重大我以為你這樣的邏輯也不大正確我邏輯不正確,你邏輯最正確不是,我們可以互相討論我跟你講最高的預算是增加很多新增項目你不能視而不見這件事實啊"},{"start":1321.389,"end":1347.072,"text":"院長你增加新增相互我就跟你講你說增加兩千億你增加兩千億你把列出來給立法院看嘛我把早上就列啦沒有你列出來就追加預算給大家看嘛如果扣掉這個兩千億就可以去立法院你追加預算給大家看嘛今天院長都跟你講說你又跟我套套循環更何況今天政府難道完全沒有尊潔的空間你跟我講政府沒有尊潔的空間有 這個是我一項的原則"},{"start":1347.81,"end":1366.617,"text":"我對自己的要求,對公務系統的要求,我們都希望能夠尊潔自己院長,我想請教你下一個問題國防預算齁,今年是多少錢?六千四百億嘛,對不對?佔GDP多少?2.5啦差不多啦,將近2.5啦那代總統說要增加多少?"},{"start":1377.045,"end":1404.644,"text":"我們是希望能夠達到GDP的3%那算起來大概是多少還差多少是不是對還差大概一千一千兩百億左右嘛兩三百億左右對不對所以要到七千六百億的規模嘛財政資源有限當然國防預算要適度的增加我們有反對啦是 謝謝可是喔川普要的是10%不是3%啦所以真的還要再好好努力去跟他溝通可以嗎那我們會站在國家的立場好 謝謝"},{"start":1406.687,"end":1429.251,"text":"那我要告訴你下一個問題我想請就教院長川普同意3%了嗎所以我們要在國家最有利的利益所以還沒有嘛還沒開始跟川普政府溝通嘛那這個溝通也一直會持續的進行我要提醒院長今天你去看一看川普對烏克蘭開的是5000億美元的礦產協議嘛換算台幣多少16兆"},{"start":1434.79,"end":1455.204,"text":"他如果可以對烏克蘭開16兆我真的覺得我們中華民國政府行政院真的是要溝通的努力要非常加把勁會努力一定努力對啊他如果今天跟你講說3%他不同意他要5%怎麼辦或是說今天跟你講3%可以明年5%後年10%怎麼辦"},{"start":1457.025,"end":1483.362,"text":"即便說要3% 5%他可能比起創產協議的16兆他還都覺得說今天對台灣客氣啦因為烏克蘭他要16兆啊這些我跟你講當然我知道這邊你沒辦法給我回答啦因為這是你要溝通的過程嘛對不對你已經講原則了嘛那我只要把情勢的一個艱難要告訴你這個情勢的艱難希望我們政府把他放在心上第二個"},{"start":1487.329,"end":1490.474,"text":"台灣偷走美國的晶片產業將對台灣進口的半導體產品徵收關稅以促使製造業回流美國這句話誰說的"},{"start":1498.783,"end":1527.596,"text":"你不應該不知道這句話是川普總統說的但台灣並沒有偷走美國的晶片產業我們是經由雙方的合作我們用代工的方式用先進的製程讓全球的科技都往上發展這個是台灣對現在世界上在先進產業上這一段話我告訴你喔川普不只說了一次他說了好幾次但你今天也是鄭重告訴川普說台灣沒有偷走晶片產業我們是經由合作"},{"start":1528.12,"end":1556.663,"text":"代工的合作跟共同的研發我們現在帶領全球的產業這個立場我支持你謝謝站的堅定一點但是呢要對台灣的進口的晶片產品徵收百分之百的關稅這句話誰說的都是來自川普總統也是川普嘛對不對 關稅政策 對好那我想請問你支持嗎你認為你現在努力的是不希望對台灣有任何不公平的關稅好"},{"start":1557.185,"end":1576.509,"text":"如果全世界的關稅一致的話,那台灣的競爭力...所以你也認為不合理嗎?只要是不公平就我們...距離力爭100%一定不合理的啊,有合理嗎?距離力爭,但是...沒有沒有,倒帶一下100%關稅一定不合理嘛,對不對?報告委員,這不一定啦喔!不一定啦!只不過不一定"},{"start":1577.042,"end":1598.34,"text":"因為他會講100%是為了滿足他國內的競爭力能夠跟國內的競爭力他可能國內的競爭力不足所以他要課100%的稅然後來做一個平衡所以他才會課100%如果他說50%可以了他就課50%他主要是保護他國內的廠商請問你是哪一國的"},{"start":1603.14,"end":1615.695,"text":"你哪一國的他在解釋他的政策不是為他講話我當然知道你在解釋川普的政策啊我是問對中華民國合不合理你跟我講對川普合理我是美國公民會投票給川普啊不是"},{"start":1616.953,"end":1643.689,"text":"那對中華民國合不合理?對中華民國不一定不合理哎呀 原來好沒關係 那我謝謝你啦可以啦 可以啦來 部長 部長你在這邊直接呼應川普對我們晶片苛徵100%的關稅你認為沒有不合理好啦 沒關係啦 我跟你講100%的關稅你是問100%的關稅我問到我要你的答案了我告訴你 部長 院長 院長這個是合理的部長先來 我要跟院長講話"},{"start":1644.81,"end":1661.717,"text":"院長你應該知道剛剛講這句話接下來的後座禮是什麼我們都是在極力爭取你認同嗎剛剛部長講的不要對台灣採取不公平的關稅待遇剛剛就在部長講的嘛你認不認同嘛他是在解釋對方的政策他剛剛講說沒有不合理啊他是解釋對方的政策院長"},{"start":1663.037,"end":1679.325,"text":"的問題非常明確剛剛郭部長講美國對台灣金票科100%的關稅他認為沒有不合理你認同嗎?你不是講這一句話喔部長請你不要再講話了我正問的是院長部長拜託"},{"start":1680.405,"end":1692.55,"text":"不然我可能要請你先下去了喔 不好意思喔我現在跟院長回答問題喔我剛剛已經前半段說不是美國立場我想後半段還說對中華民國來說也沒有不合理你看看 我覺得院長的態度是對的啦"},{"start":1703.96,"end":1721.166,"text":"講得多保守啊你怎麼可以在這邊輕斷的就說美國剋台灣一百八關稅是合理的我跟你講我真的是非常非常擔心什麼叫錯誤啊我講的哪一句話不是引述你講的啊你自己講的啊來 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下下是在幹什麼？"],["卓院長榮泰：2016年我們的GDP只有16.7兆，2024年我們有25.3兆。"],["羅委員智強：院長，我要跟你講，這樣是成長50%，那你跟我講GDP在8年內有成長50%嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：是，2016年我們是16.7兆。"],["羅委員智強：我要問你的是錢的問題，是夠不夠的問題，如果扣掉那2.5兆你覺得還夠用嗎？夠不夠用？"],["卓院長榮泰：什麼？"],["羅委員智強：扣掉那2.5兆還夠不夠用？"],["卓院長榮泰：2.5兆？"],["羅委員智強：如果真的照川普講的，要GDP的10%就是2.5兆，那還夠不夠用？"],["卓院長榮泰：依照臺灣現在的國力，我們很難達到。"],["羅委員智強：當然不夠用嘛！我們為什麼不夠用？3兆你都不夠用了，你都一直喊窮了，更何況2.5兆啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：對不起，委員，不是我……"],["羅委員智強：我要問你幾個問題，我先跟你講，現在政府整個在喊窮喊到什麼程度。"],["卓院長榮泰：不是喊窮，是我們……"],["羅委員智強：沒關係啦，院長，我難得在這個地方，我心中有幾個強大的疑惑。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們有很多新興項目在裡面。"],["羅委員智強：我現在心中有個強大的疑惑。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["羅委員智強：面對歷史新高的預算，你知道政府喊窮喊到什麼程度？然後外面的網路，沿著政府喊窮開始作文章跟放謠言到什麼程度？我也沒看到今天政府有出來闢謠啊！我要講幾件事，第一個，我們最近有棒球賽對不對？第一場對西班牙的時候不幸落敗，對不對？沒錯吧？"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["羅委員智強：今天晚上我們希望能夠扳回一城嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：一定要贏。"],["羅委員智強：對，一定要贏嘛！可是你知道嗎？第一場對西班牙輸了，你知道一堆網路上的謠言就出來說，輸西班牙是因為藍白刪預算。院長，輸西班牙是因為藍白刪預算嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，政府沒有辦法一一地為……"],["羅委員智強：喔！政府遇到……院長，你這樣不公平啦！以前政府，你在的時候對不對？民進黨執政的時候，打假打謠言打得多兇啊！還查水表，連社會秩序維護法都搬出來，你現在跟我講，政府沒辦法因應所有的謠言。"],["卓院長榮泰：像我們po了一些對球隊鼓勵的話……"],["羅委員智強：沒關係啦，你沒有辦法因應，所以第一個，你要告訴我這是不是謠言？在這裡跟我講。"],["卓院長榮泰：沒有經過查證的一些事情，傳播出來啊！"],["羅委員智強：是嘛，這就是謠言啊！還是你要認證今天棒球打輸是藍白刪預算，是嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：如果委員今天來問我……"],["羅委員智強：我直接問你，體育署今年比去年多多少錢？"],["卓院長榮泰：剛剛委員有談到……"],["羅委員智強：20億嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：因為我們還有一個基金，基金還沒有審過……"],["羅委員智強：我再問你第二件事情，我們這屆立法院有刪棒球預算一毛錢嗎？有沒有刪？"],["卓院長榮泰：只有通刪的部分刪了業務費，刪了出國旅費。"],["羅委員智強：通刪的部分，棒球的經費、運動發展基金，以前你們民進黨自己宣稱，是從運動發展基金出來啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：委員今天問我，棒球打輸是不是刪預算？我會跟你說不是，但是……"],["羅委員智強：謝謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：刪預算的結果，刪的業務費……"],["羅委員智強：沒關係啦……"],["卓院長榮泰：會讓我們很多的業務無法順利執行。"],["羅委員智強：我告訴你，你要講別的東西，今天是講也講不清啦！你現在到處跟我講，這個有影響，那個有影響，但是展現在國人面前的就是你剛剛講的啊！預算是有史以來的歷史新高啊！我今天是很不想在這邊跟你說，蔡英文就是怎麼樣？難道蔡英文今天的2兆8,000億、2兆9,000億，政府已經倒了嗎？馬英九的1兆8,000億、1兆9,000億就倒了嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，讓我講一句話。我們有2,806億的新增計畫，裡面有那麼多項，早上我已經報告過了……"],["羅委員智強：我還沒跟你講，我後面還要講到川普欸！你要不要學學川普啊？川普政府下一步，光是第一波就刪了多少預算？請問？是自己刪的，還不用等到國會刪喔！"],["卓院長榮泰：如果刪得有道理，當然大家會支持。"],["羅委員智強：對啊，道理是你訂的嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：如果刪到讓整個政府現在很難……"],["羅委員智強：現在整個政府啊……"],["卓院長榮泰：如果刪到讓我們整個政府窒礙難行，我們當然要據理力爭啊！"],["羅委員智強：院長，我告訴你，這邊我跟你講，你說你的、我說我的，反正也是扯不清啦！"],["卓院長榮泰：不是，真理是可以討論出來的。"],["羅委員智強：我跟你講，鐵的事實很簡單，鐵的事實就是政府今年的預算是最高的。我再問你第二個問題，我跟你講，你今天耗到整場結束，我知道我也不能說服你，我沒打算也沒辦法說服你。"],["卓院長榮泰：因為我們有2,806億的新增事項，不能……"],["羅委員智強：第二個，院長，沒關係，這個放在到後面啦！反正你們行政機器這麼大，你們的論點我也聽了一百遍了，但是我關心的東西可以讓我問吧？可不可以，院長？"],["卓院長榮泰：你要把我的答復，當作你想像的一部分，再來引申你的問題，這樣子……"],["羅委員智強：沒有啊！請問棒球打輸是藍白刪預算嗎？你說不是的，我有想像什麼？"],["卓院長榮泰：所以2,806億的新增預算要加在預算裡面，你就會覺得今年這麼高……"],["羅委員智強：院長，對於3兆預算，你跟我講有新增計畫，但實際上，今天扣掉台電的1,000億，立法院整個刪了半天刪了1,000億啦！你跟我講兩千多億，立法院除了台電新增計畫，你超收稅收都5,000億，你現在跟我講不夠用！那我最後再問一件事……"],["卓院長榮泰：實徵數……"],["羅委員智強：院長已經跟您說了，韓院長跟您說，不夠用怎麼辦？真的不夠用怎麼辦？"],["卓院長榮泰：不夠用，有的是不能……"],["羅委員智強：追加預算嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：有的是不能流用，有的是不能追加……"],["羅委員智強：請問能不能追加預算？能不能追加預算？"],["卓院長榮泰：不能流用的、刪到零的怎麼辦？"],["羅委員智強：你能不能追加預算？你追加預算來這邊好好討論啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：追加預算要符合預算法第七十九條的規定。"],["羅委員智強：你先把追加預算拿出來看看，到底哪一個跟你講，你講的一些新增計畫沒辦法做的……"],["卓院長榮泰：請委員……"],["羅委員智強：你一件事都不做，在那邊說做不了！"],["卓院長榮泰：現在還不是追加預算……"],["羅委員智強：請教下一個問題……"],["卓院長榮泰：現在還不是追加預算的時候啊！"],["羅委員智強：高雄連續殺人分屍案要蒐證，卻沒有辦法開挖化糞池，是因為藍白刪預算嗎？是不是？"],["卓院長榮泰：我沒有聽清楚。"],["羅委員智強：高雄連續殺人分屍案要蒐證，沒有錢開挖化糞池，是藍白刪預算嗎？院長。"],["卓院長榮泰：我不懂這個邏輯。"],["羅委員智強：非常好，我也不懂啊！我當過臺北市議員，你也當過臺北市議員，像這種刑案蒐證，如果真的有要開挖化糞池的時候，是誰要出這個經費的？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們在臺北市議會都不會這樣刪預算的。"],["羅委員智強：我問你這個經費是誰的經費？你跟我講你刪不刪這個預算……"],["卓院長榮泰：我不知道，我不知道這個經費……"],["羅委員智強：你沒當過臺北市議員嗎？你不要逃避問題嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：我說我們在臺北市議會都不會這樣刪預算的。"],["羅委員智強：我再問你，這個經費是誰的經費？"],["卓院長榮泰：我真的不知道你說的是哪一筆經費。"],["羅委員智強：可見我當臺北市議員比你認真，這是地方的經費啊！高雄市政府都承認了，你現在在這邊，你跟我講……"],["卓院長榮泰：我大概沒有能力……"],["羅委員智強：我問過臺北市政府，重大刑案開挖蒐證是地方的經費。沒關係！院長……"],["卓院長榮泰：我應該沒有能力了解高雄市政府怎麼編預算。"],["羅委員智強：也許你當市議員久了，你不記得沒有關係，我跟你講，重點是根本沒有化糞池，你知道嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：所以我說……"],["羅委員智強：那個地方根本沒有化糞池……"],["卓院長榮泰：我就不曉得這個邏輯是怎麼形成的。"],["羅委員智強：非常好！那你再認證第二個謠言，我問你，過年期間我的臉書被幾千篇留言洗版，說政府現在沒有辦法做長照。請問政府現在沒有辦法做長照了嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：政府長照還是在做啊！但是……"],["羅委員智強：非常好啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：但是通刪業務費之後，有一些相關的業務會受到影響。"],["羅委員智強：我問你，你跟我講，長照哪些不發了、不做了、不補助了？"],["卓院長榮泰：長照本身的預算沒有刪，可是……"],["羅委員智強：謝謝你嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：通刪業務費之後就會影響。"],["羅委員智強：沒有，我跟你講，你自己都跟我講長照預算沒有刪……"],["卓院長榮泰：比方我們外交部……"],["羅委員智強：我跟你講，業務費通刪，你可以自己做調整，如果真的不夠，我告訴你，我說過了，今天院長都已經開一條路給你增加預算……"],["卓院長榮泰：很多業務費上面刪了以後說不能流用。"],["羅委員智強：院長……"],["卓院長榮泰：通案裡面。"],["羅委員智強：院長、院長……"],["卓院長榮泰：你應該比我了解……"],["羅委員智強：我告訴你，業務費有些刪，但是也沒有刪全部啊！有刪全部嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：有的被刪全部啊！"],["羅委員智強：有的刪，你宣傳費刪全部啦！"],["卓院長榮泰：業務費有的刪全部啊！"],["羅委員智強：長照的業務費刪光啦？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們的……"],["羅委員智強：衛福部，請問今年跟去年的預算是差多少？請部長上來……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們行政院的就被刪了啊！"],["羅委員智強：衛福部的預算今年跟去年是差多少？今年比去年少嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，外交部的國外旅費被刪……"],["羅委員智強：我跟你講長照，你跟我講外交部，我現在跟你講衛福部啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：我當然跟你講有問題的地方啊！"],["羅委員智強：拜託！我今天質詢的是長照，我質詢的是衛福部，你要跟我講別的地方在別的時間講……"],["卓院長榮泰：這樣我們就避重就輕，你講……"],["羅委員智強：什麼叫避重就輕？"],["卓院長榮泰：外交部被刪國外旅費，這合理嗎？"],["羅委員智強：我告訴你，今天一項一項你要跟我去講的話，我們一項一項講，但我今天問的是衛福部，我問衛福部，你給我答外交部。"],["卓院長榮泰：請部長回答。"],["羅委員智強：部長，我問你啊……"],["邱部長泰源：報告委員，因為長照的需求更多，所以我們的確有依照長照的需求增加經費。"],["羅委員智強：非常謝謝你嘛！你看人家部長比你誠懇多了，回答得清清楚楚，謝謝你今天幫我澄清三個謠言啊！","部長，我只跟你講一件事情，剛剛我們質詢的東西，你在旁邊聽，拜託你，像這些天價的問題，跟川普政府好好溝通。","我再想請教你，你們這是歷史最高3兆預算，你自己講的，然後一天到晚跟我喊窮，如果這樣錢都不夠的話，我告訴你，你接下去面對川普，真的，部長，你的責任就很重大了……"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，你這樣的邏輯也不大正確啦！"],["羅委員智強：我的邏輯不正確，你的邏輯最正確？"],["卓院長榮泰：不是，我們可以互相討論……"],["羅委員智強：我跟你講……"],["卓院長榮泰：最高的預算是增加了很多新增項目，你不能視而不見，這件事是事實啊！"],["羅委員智強：院長、院長……"],["卓院長榮泰：如果不要增加這些新增項目……"],["羅委員智強：你增加新增項目，我就跟你講，你說增加2,000億，你增加2,000億，你把它列出來給立法院看嘛！"]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特地給你英文的希望就是說負並比我們在醫學中心"},{"start":274.005,"end":290.856,"text":"社區醫院跟社區醫院都在努力之下護病比三班都達到標準的從這一年來也從36%提高到醫學中心提高到59%如果是社區醫院是從26%提高到50%那地區醫院比較高本來就83%提高到94%"},{"start":299.096,"end":318.302,"text":"若是說我們福利銀行的職場有進步,銀行我們也有留下來剛才議長也說得很完全,整個架構都說起來,完全用一個關懷心、同理心來處理這件事情我們衛福部一項一項來落實我補充一下,優管我們現在要改革,改革我們分低級、低級,這其實我們都走那個"},{"start":324.015,"end":338.008,"text":"這幾天的開花都向全國的醫事公會、急診醫藥會還有各大醫院的院長都要研究出來的所以我們提出來的方案其實跟急診醫學會提出的方案是很一致的所以我們一定會趕快來努力"},{"start":338.442,"end":358.193,"text":"我們也看到現在目前來講其實在後床大約100的從以前檢討醫院包括高一、齊美、台大現在只剩下長庚林口長庚比較多其他都已經降下到100我們希望能夠馬上來改善今天的下降數是比較明顯的當然還有相當多的數字但是趨勢是這樣子"},{"start":360,"end":374.651,"text":"再加強努力,要協調好,謝謝院長跟部長其實我要關心的是我們宜蘭館的陽明交大輻射醫院因為這個病院現在日期工程,我們一定在去年11月初也有去實測日期工程已經順利斷崗了斷崗之後未來"},{"start":378.614,"end":405.824,"text":"他這個層數增加出來,讓你人員不夠的總統職下你說我們的鴨腿食肆已經完善了所以沒辦法讓病患可以在病院裡面接受治療這讓我們覺得非常不可思議所以我要拜託議長跟我們的部長就是說我們宜蘭館也有很好的婦理專科學校我們包括聖母婦專跟更新婦專非常完善現在少子化在這個地方"},{"start":407.232,"end":429.721,"text":"我們沒有一個比較完善的教育的一貫的作業,遞輸到這些孩子他跟專科畢業後都跑出來到外面去,又求學遞輸到人才流失所以有什麼樣的辦法,也能結合到在地的醫學、學校的保安跟便衣來做結合讓我們未來的福利人員可以留在宜蘭關,來為我們宜蘭關的民眾來服務"},{"start":434.602,"end":461.525,"text":"就像委員報告,在全國性來說,我們當然是改善這個護理職場說實在的,醫事人員健保也會因為健保我們政府也提供增加了很多健保的機會其實應該要加薪到我們醫事人員那以地方來講,好不容易那個地方有護理學院然後又有這麼好的一個醫院,這個醫院是楊交大的輻射醫院"},{"start":464.115,"end":491.162,"text":"他爺爺是多少個教授、醫生、資源其實那個都是...當然那是因為教育部的但是我站在衛福部,我也了解他的水準是可以做到很高的但是他如果欠護理員員,變成他的法律,全都沒辦法發揮這樣也很可惜所以我們可以建議楊教大可以接近這個學院護理學院這兩個學校,可以來交流我們全國的鄉,我也希望畢業生可以讓他們"},{"start":493.752,"end":501.674,"text":"進入追診來學習,進入偏見,出來都可以來這裡服務師傅請鎮部長大概說明一下鎮部長請謝謝,感謝委員的關心,向委員報告的是陽明交代的輔社醫院第二期醫療大樓的工程現在進度是強勁的,這部縮寫的工程進度也都強勁"},{"start":523.254,"end":535.286,"text":"剛才委員的關心就是說,那個人才要怎麼培養在目前我們有一個方式就是說,為了我們藝人地區這裡的福利人員的進修我們可以給他們結合合作的便宜,用公家進修來讓副理事就在地二級的一個在職專班那同時"},{"start":547.15,"end":565.789,"text":"以去年開始到今年我們大概連續這個台北的護理健康大學同樣也都跟委員剛才所關心的這兩所學校所謂的更新跟聖母醫院專科學校的這些護理都有一個合作的一個進修讓他們能夠在地就能夠直接"},{"start":566.294,"end":584.717,"text":"有一個在職進修然後當然包含陽明交大這個部分他們也對提供了許多的這些實習獎助學金跟在職進修的一些機會希望能夠讓在地的這些醫護人員也能夠留在在地服務我想做這樣一個補充說明"},{"start":586.376,"end":614.634,"text":"謝謝謝謝部長我真的希望說我們這個陽明交通大學輻射醫院陽交大他二期工程完成之後不只是硬體設備的完善我們的這個護理人員都能夠齊全的話才能夠實質發揮這個醫療的效能那這個陽明交大陽明交大的這個整個工程完成之後我們更希望說能夠朝向醫學中心的這個等級來努力能夠建構一個更加安全更加符合這個宜蘭"},{"start":615.233,"end":619.7,"text":"民眾健康安全需求的一所醫院這是我們要求的一個"},{"start":620.99,"end":648.193,"text":"最大的目標然後也請我們兩位部長一起協助我們院長是的委員我們去年底去陽明交大看現場工地的時候我記得我有特別詢問到二期的醫療大樓之外植物宿舍我覺得植物宿舍的健全會有利於醫護人員留任所以大家往這個方向去做不僅是醫院其他的企業都能夠有自己的宿舍都能夠留住人才我覺得這是一個很好的典範我們用這個來鼓勵大家"},{"start":649.11,"end":670.468,"text":"好謝謝兩位部長那另外我要針對這個財化法的部分我想就叫我們這個行政院我們預計在這個2月27號這個院會之後我們會對於這個總預算案提出附議那財化法是否會一併的附議這個目前還未知那財化法修正之後將會從中央"},{"start":671.248,"end":699.11,"text":"把我們提早超過15%以上的維生差不多是3753億左右錢隨著這個中央轉移到地方那事權的部分有沒有轉移那對於後續需由中央移轉到地方辦理的相關業務這個考慮我們政府是不是已經完成這個整個盤點那影響最大的這個補助事項中央對地方的部分會是什麼項目"},{"start":701.151,"end":729.203,"text":"財務法新的修法內容有幾項很不是適當的 複合理的地方第一個 它就是它的水平分配會造成未來城鄉差距會更大第二個就是委員剛所說的錢帶過去 事權卻沒有帶走那帶走多少事權在裡面並沒有清楚的說明所以未來我們希望大家能夠很理性的 很冷靜的我們為了國家整體的發展"},{"start":729.676,"end":758.718,"text":"中央有中央的財務財力地方也要有地方的財政但是事權要分得清清楚楚這樣才能夠各施其責各自負責所以我們很期望說財化法我們能夠有更充裕的時間跟地方在談也讓我們算得更精確那算出來之後絕對不是中央集錢又集權而是能夠分給地方的讓地方能夠來承接這個才是我們現在的原則所以我很希望財化法還有機會大家能夠重新來審議"},{"start":759.619,"end":782.831,"text":"好,謝謝院長,我現在擔心的是因為我們宜蘭縣未來這幾年所推行的相關的公共建設都是金額非常大你假設說未來我們中央跟地方的經費分配的比例如果做調整的話會不會影響到宜蘭包括交通建設還是相關建設的推動"},{"start":783.84,"end":808.1,"text":"怎麼分配 部長來討論地方財源主要三個地方一個就是統籌分配稅款直接進地方的稅入另外兩個中央補助的部分一個是一般型補助跟計劃型補助那計劃型補助它裡面很多是跨年度的長期的連續性的預算那地方一般性的補助裡面又有一些是法定的以及針對各個地方不同需求的補助"},{"start":808.632,"end":827.323,"text":"那麼如果中央切掉一大部分的錢那這個地方的計畫性補助跟一般性補助都必須由地方來承接那到底有多少如果這樣算出來的話我認為依照現在中央的這個現在的結構會讓地方感覺到說我拿了一百塊可能我要做的事情會更多"},{"start":829.093,"end":845.306,"text":"如果能夠統籌的話他會節省很多的行政上的作業如果單個縣市來做他必須負擔可能是不同層數的加倍所以如果這樣子來說地方可能會拿到的錢卻要做更多的事情那我們也不希望增加地方的負擔所以我請財政部來合理的計算"},{"start":846.66,"end":870.149,"text":"是 跟委員報告就如同剛剛院長所說我們中央對地方除了中央統籌分配稅款以外還有搭配我們主計總署的一般性補助款那一般性補助款它有幾個用途第一個就是對基本財政收支差短它一定會補助另外對其他重要要辦理的事項也會給予補那另外就是計劃型的補助那計劃型的補助就看各地方政府的計劃以及財政能力給予補助"},{"start":870.509,"end":895.864,"text":"那將來如果你擴大了中央統籌分配稅額而且沒有做市權分配的話當然會影響到這些補助款的一些分配好那因為時間因素那我還是再次拜託我們院長跟我們相關部會的這個首長對於宜蘭縣目前在推動的相關包括交通建設的部分不會因為新的財化法通過之後影響到這個工程的進行"},{"start":896.644,"end":914.697,"text":"那也希望包括我們的鐵路高架還有這個高鐵延伸宜蘭還有台62線那南陽大橋還有葛馬蘭大橋等等這些已經在規劃中的這些重大交通建設都能夠順利的推動那能夠及早的來完工提供給民眾一個便捷的一個交通路網"},{"start":915.808,"end":926.678,"text":"宜蘭不僅是我們北北基宜首都圈黃金狼帶它也會加入我們東部城鄉漫火這樣的一個區域治理計畫我希望會看到宜蘭的未來一定是科技跟"}]},"gazette":{"lineno":463,"blocks":[["陳委員俊宇：（16時16分）謝謝韓院長，我們有請卓院長。"],["主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。"],["陳委員俊宇：院長，午安。"],["卓院長榮泰：陳委員好。"],["陳委員俊宇：院長，近來我們全臺灣的醫院出現一個問題，就是急診室塞車！甚至醫院因為護理人員的欠缺，導致有病床，卻沒辦法開床來照顧到這些病患，所以這個問題，行政院有什麼樣比較好的因應對策？可以來改善嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：所以我從春節之後的第一天，我們就跟衛福部在針對這個問題多次的聯繫，也請衛福部能夠儘速研究一個方法出來，最近這一次，就是昨天早上，我特別提出三個問題，一個是這個事情讓全民不解，不了解我們做了什麼努力、化解了多少問題，要把這個方式告訴大家，然後所有的醫院照這個方式來實行，能夠降低這種壅塞的現象。第二個，病患跟家屬當然不安啊！"],["陳委員俊宇：是。"],["卓院長榮泰：所以要醫院儘量安撫病患跟家屬這種不安的情緒，當然在這個很繁忙的過程當中滿辛苦的，但一定要做到這一點，讓他情緒能夠安定下來，告訴他要等的時間儘量縮短。第三個，人力不足。"],["陳委員俊宇：是。"],["卓院長榮泰：護理人員人力不足不是今天、不是一兩天的，是長期造成的！所以我們跟考試院在之前總統召開院際協商之後，我跟周院長也談到了未來考試的制度，考用合一，我們用知道實際所需狀況的衛福部裡面的同仁，跟考試院組成一個考試的平臺，讓他用這種方式來讓更多的護校畢業學生能夠通過合理的考試取得資格，增加我們的人力，但這個不是短時間可以做到的。目前我們希望增加，想辦法多增加醫院裡面協助看護的人力，看能不能來協助一部分比較不需要那麼專業的工作。","所以三個部分向社會說明，讓病人安心，以及嘗試增加短期跟中長期的護理人員，都是現在在做的。而他們現在做的這個方式是在院內裡面調解，把一般病床轉換成急診病床，讓急診的患者能夠到病床裡面去，另外是院際之間的合流，每個院際都把資料公開出來，如果能夠就近轉診分流的話，也會造成民眾在使用上不必要那麼麻煩；這兩個部分都是現在在做的。"],["陳委員俊宇：是。其實最嚴重的應該是護理人員欠缺的問題，我們從臺灣護理師護士公會的一個統計資料可以看出來，從去年12月到今年初，我們全臺灣有超過七百名的護理人員離職，離職到底是什麼原因？我也希望我們行政院，包括衛福部可以去研究、去詳細了解到底是什麼原因導致這些護理人員要離職？可以把這些優秀的護理人員留住，才能讓所有醫護照護過程可以非常的順暢，包括很多國家，甚至隔壁的中國也在挖角我們的護理人員，這到底是什麼原因？是不是部長你可以簡單回答一下？"],["邱部長泰源：謝謝委員的質詢。我報告一下，其實這段時間很認真在留護理人員可以繼續在醫療場所來照顧，所以我們提出12個策略一個一個在做，都有顯著地成果。在人力來講，今年1月跟去年1月比較起來，有增加了3,293個護理師的工作，所以是增加的，剛剛你說的那個數目，實在是因為過年後很多都是離職潮，但是7月的時候就有畢業的新生進來了。"],["陳委員俊宇：是。"],["邱部長泰源：所以這兩個加起來，才在去年是增加三千兩百多個人，而且有一千多個人是在醫院。另外我們也是很辛苦在達成護理護理人員的希望，就是護病比，在醫學中心跟社區醫院都在努力之下，護病比三班都達到標準了，這一年來醫學中心也從36%提高到59%；如果是社區醫院是從26%提高到50%；地區醫院本來就比較高83%提高到94%，就是說我們護理人員的職場也有進步、人員也有留下來，剛剛院長也說得很完整，把整個架構都講出來，還完全用一個關懷的心、同理心來處理這個事情，衛福部會一項一項來落實。"],["陳委員俊宇：好。"],["邱部長泰源：我補充一下，有關現在要解決的短期、長期，我們這幾次的開會都跟全國醫師公會、急診醫學會，還有各大醫院的院長一起研究出來的，所以我們提出來的方案跟急診醫學會提出的方案是很一致的，所以我們一定會趕快來努力。我們也看到目前來講，擴床數大於100床，從以前很多醫院包括高醫、奇美、臺大，現在只剩下林口長庚比較多，其他都已經降下到100床。"],["陳委員俊宇：好。"],["邱部長泰源：我們希望能夠馬上來改善。"],["卓院長榮泰：今天的下降數是比較明顯的，當然還有相當多的數字，但是趨勢是這樣子，我請衛福部再加強努力協調。"],["陳委員俊宇：好，謝謝院長跟部長。其實我要關心的是宜蘭縣陽明交大附設醫院。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["陳委員俊宇：因為這個醫院現在二期工程，院長在去年11月9日也有去視察，二期工程已經順利動工了，動工後未來床數增加出來，護理人員不夠的狀況之下，你說我們的硬體設施已經完善了，卻沒辦法讓病患可以進到醫院裡面接受治療，這讓我們覺得非常的不可思議。所以我要拜託院長跟部長，宜蘭縣也有很好的護理專科學校，包括聖母護專跟耕莘護專非常的完善，現在少子化，在這個地方如果沒有比較完善教育一貫的作業，致使這些孩子專科畢業之後都到外縣市求學，導致人才流失，所以有什麼樣的辦法也可以結合在地醫學，學校的部分跟醫院來做結合，讓未來這些護理人員可以留在宜蘭縣，來為宜蘭縣的民眾服務。"],["邱部長泰源：謝謝委員。跟委員報告，全國性來說，當然是改善護理的職場。說實在的醫事人員因為健保，政府也提供增加了很多健保的經費，其實應該要加薪到醫事人員，以地方來講，好不容易那個地方有護理的學院，又有這麼好的一個醫院，這個醫院是陽交大的附設醫院，後面是有多少教授、多少醫生、多少資源，當然那是因為教育部的，但是我站在衛福部也了解它的水準實在可以做得很高，但是它如果缺護理人員，變成它的專業沒辦法發揮，這樣也很可惜。"],["陳委員俊宇：是。"],["邱部長泰源：所以我們建議陽交大可以常接洽護理學院，這兩個學校可以來交流。我也希望可以讓畢業生很有水準地來學習、都很有品質，畢業生出來都可以來這裡服務，不然在地的人才沒有投入在地……"],["陳委員俊宇：是不是請鄭部長大概說明一下？"],["卓院長榮泰：鄭部長請。"],["鄭部長英耀：謝謝，感謝委員的關心。跟委員報告，陽明交大附設醫院第二期的醫療大樓工程，現在進度是超前的。"],["陳委員俊宇：超前。"],["鄭部長英耀：職務宿舍的工程進度也都超前。剛才委員在關心人才要怎麼培養，目前我們有一個好的方式，就是為了宜蘭地區護理人員的進修，他可以結合合作的醫院，用公假進修讓護理師就在地二技的在職專班，同時於去年開始延續到今年，臺北的護理健康大學同樣也都跟委員剛才所關心的這兩所學校，所謂的耕莘跟聖母醫院專科學校的這些護理，都有一個合作的進修，讓他們在地就能夠直接在職進修。然後當然包含陽明交大這個部分，他們也提供了許多實習獎助學金跟在職進修的一些機會，希望能夠讓在地的醫護人員也能夠留在在地服務，我想作這樣一個補充說明。"],["陳委員俊宇：謝謝，謝謝部長。我真的希望說，我們這個陽明交通大學附設醫院，它二期工程完成之後，不只是硬體設備的完善，我們的護理人員都能夠齊全的話，才能夠實質發揮醫療的效能。","陽明交大附醫的整個工程完成之後，我們更希望能夠朝向醫學中心的等級來努力，能夠建構一個更加安全，更加符合宜蘭民眾健康、安全需求的一所醫院，這是我們要求的一個最大的目標，也請兩位部長一起協助院長。"],["卓院長榮泰：是的。委員，我們去年底去陽明交大看現場工地的時候，我記得我有特別詢問到二期的醫療大樓之外，即職務宿舍，我覺得職務宿舍的健全，會有利於醫護人員留任。"],["陳委員俊宇：好。"],["卓院長榮泰：如果大家往這個方向去做，不僅是醫院，其他的企業都能夠有自己的宿舍。"],["陳委員俊宇：好。"],["卓院長榮泰：都能夠留住人才，我覺得這是一個很好的典範。"],["陳委員俊宇：好。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們用這個來鼓勵大家。"],["陳委員俊宇：好、好，謝謝兩位部長。另外，我要針對財劃法的部分就教行政院，我們預計在2月27號院會之後，我們會對於總預算案提出覆議，財劃法是否會一併的覆議，這個目前還未知。","財劃法修正之後，將會從中央拿走超過15%以上的預算，差不多是3,753億左右。錢隨著中央轉移到地方，事權的部分有沒有轉移，對於後續需由中央移轉到地方辦理的相關業務，這些工作，我們政府是不是已經完成整個盤點，影響最大的補助事項，中央對地方的部分會是什麼項目？"],["卓院長榮泰：財劃法新的修法內容，有幾項很不適當、不合理的地方，第一個就是，它的水平分配會造成未來城鄉差距會更大；第二個就是，委員剛剛所說的錢帶過去，事權卻沒有帶走，帶走多少事權在裡面並沒有清楚地說明，所以未來我們希望大家能夠很理性的、很冷靜的，我們為了國家整體的發展，中央有中央的財務、財力，地方也要有地方的財政，但是事權要分得清清楚楚，這樣才能夠各司其責，各自負責。所以我們很期望財劃法我們能夠有更充裕的時間跟地方再談，也讓我們算得更精確，算出來之後，絕對不是中央集錢又集權。"],["陳委員俊宇：是。"],["卓院長榮泰：而是能夠分給地方的，讓地方能夠來承接，這個才是我們現在的原則，所以很希望財劃法還有機會，大家能夠重新來審議。"],["陳委員俊宇：好，謝謝院長。我現在擔心的是因為我們宜蘭縣未來這幾年所推行的相關的公共建設，都是金額非常高、非常大的，假設未來我們中央跟地方的經費分配比例如果做調整的話，會不會影響到宜蘭包括交通建設還是相關建設的推動？"],["卓院長榮泰：怎麼分配部長來討論，地方財源主要三個地方，一個就是統籌分配稅款直接進地方的歲入，另外兩個中央補助的部分，一個是一般型補助跟計畫型補助。","計畫型補助裡面很多是跨年度的長期連續性的預算；地方一般性的補助裡面又有一些是法定的，以及針對各個地方不同需求的補助，如果中央切掉一大部分的錢，地方的計畫性補助跟一般性補助，都必須由地方來承接，到底有多少？如果這樣算出來的話，我認為依照現在中央現在的結構，會讓地方感覺到說我拿了100塊，可能我要做的事情會更多。"],["陳委員俊宇：是。"],["卓院長榮泰：如果能夠統籌的話，會節省很多行政上的作業，如果單個縣市來做，它必須負擔可能是不同成數的加倍，所以如果這樣子來說，地方可能會拿到的錢卻要做更多的事情，我們也不希望增加地方的負擔，所以我請財政部來合理的計算。"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，如同剛剛院長所說，中央對地方，除了中央統籌分配稅款以外，還有搭配我們主計總處的一般性補助款，一般性補助款它有幾個用途：第一個就是對基本財政收支差短，它一定會補助；另外對其他重要要辦理的事項，也會給予補助。另外就是計畫型補助，計畫型的補助就看各地方政府的計畫，以及財政能力給予補助。將來如果你擴大了中央統籌分配稅款，而且沒有做事權分配的話，當然會影響到這些補款的一些分配。"],["陳委員俊宇：好，因為時間因素。我還是再次拜託我們院長跟我們相關部會的首長，對於宜蘭縣目前在推動的，包括交通建設的部分，不會因為新的財劃法通過之後，影響到工程的進行，也希望包括我們的鐵路高架、高鐵延伸宜蘭、台62線、蘭陽大橋還有噶瑪蘭大橋等等，這些已經在規劃中的重大交通建設，都能夠順利的推動，能夠及早的來完工，提供給民眾一個便捷的交通路網。"],["卓院長榮泰：宜蘭不僅是我們北北基宜首都圈黃金廊帶，它也會加入我們東部城鄉慢活的區域治理計畫，我希望我也看到宜蘭的未來一定是科技跟傳統跟現在的產業同時進步。"],["陳委員俊宇：好，謝謝院長、部長。"],["主席：謝謝陳俊宇委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長的備詢。","接下來我們請登記第7位羅智強委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":232,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-2","speakers":["韓國瑜","王鴻薇","吳思瑤","范雲","吳春城","傅崐萁","陳培瑜","陳俊宇","羅智強"],"page_start":13,"meetingDate":["2025-02-25"],"gazette_id":"1142401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1142401_00002","1142401_00003","1142401_00004","1142401_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第2次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告並備質詢─ 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早了8小時人死掉了院長啊 這個事情喔 這個事情要快速解決對不起 因為我時間 因為我還有很多要來 好不好"},{"start":591.004,"end":616.736,"text":"昨天早上我要求第一個這個因為社會不解不了解我們用了什麼方式解決問題要讓社會了解第二個病人不安這不是社會解不解決連醫院都不知道這些問題怎麼解決你還要讓社會怎麼解決病人都躺在急診室裡面你要讓他知道你怎麼解決病人非常的不安一定要做好這些說明的工作讓醫院都知道吧再來人力不足我們要快速地來提升人力醫院竟然要一個個打電話我們現在是什麼時代啊他的系統完成了"},{"start":620.097,"end":620.538,"text":"請邱部長 麻煩請NCC"},{"start":649.708,"end":668.877,"text":"好 我們代理主委 院長在今年農曆春節一結束有一件事情也引發極大民眾的抗議跟憤怒就是NCC突然的公告就是攜帶包含藍牙跟Wi-Fi電子傳輸的相關的產品設備要課一件750塊錢的一個檢驗費"},{"start":676.961,"end":691.495,"text":"這個事情後來鬧到沸沸揚揚引起重大的民怨最後這個NCC現在的狀況是叫做所謂的暫緩只是暫緩收取而已"},{"start":692.276,"end":713.917,"text":"以現在來講也就是說你不管是輸入或輸出都要在Easyway的這個NCC的一個切結書你要先填寫切結書而且這個切結書你一定要說同意喔同意檢驗你不同意還送不出去然後呢告訴你以後還是會收好所以"},{"start":715.91,"end":729.846,"text":"這個引起重大民怨的事件到現在為止好像你以為消聲匿跡了嗎不是啊NCC只不過是緩兵之計說暫緩收取我們還不曉得什麼時候要收取"},{"start":730.467,"end":753.345,"text":"那未來收取要多少錢通通不知道所以所有的消費者還是覺得非常的忐忑而且這件事情讓大家覺得政府搶錢搶得太過分了所以院長我相信你們的輿情蒐集一定有這個議題院長現在你同意NCC用暫緩收取的方式來做緩兵之計嗎"},{"start":756.394,"end":784.922,"text":"年後我們也發現這個問題所以當天跟NCC通過這個溝通之後因為到底是一個獨立機關由他們來了解社會的反應以及大家希望怎麼樣處置所以當天他們就做下來了我們現在是支持NCC做這樣的決定收還是不收你現在不過緩兵之際啊大家不知道你收不收收還是不收跟委員報告這個案子我們經過依歸廢法相關規定含包財政部取得這個停征的"},{"start":785.509,"end":804.729,"text":"同意他尊重我們的決議所以目前就是沒有不再收取費用所以確定不收對不對我們現在就不再收取費用你現在不收取你未來不收取現在只是暫緩喔你告訴我你的公文上只是暫緩喔所以你是現在不收取未來可能收取嗎"},{"start":805.848,"end":827.941,"text":"我們函報財政部之前是暫緩收取那函報財政部之後財政部的答覆是尊重我們停徵你還是沒有回答問題好我來問院長這事情他這樣給我呼嚨啊你再繼續給我呼嚨吧是決定暫緩可是函請財政部說明之後財政部尊重NCC所以現在NCC的決定是就停徵了"},{"start":828.881,"end":837.805,"text":"所以停針 院長講的喔 我們這邊是有記錄是不是這樣尊重這個獨立機關所以按照你的意思就是不收了嘛對不對是"},{"start":840.493,"end":866.415,"text":"不收了那請NCC那今天當然這個是有記錄的請NCC用一個新聞稿的方式或文字的方式來告知消費者因為我們到現在還有很多的消費者在詢問我們這個議題覺得說會不會以後還要收因為你都同意他檢驗然後審查金額待確認之後再通知你來繳這個審查費大家很害怕"},{"start":867.597,"end":880.031,"text":"他寫不同意又送不出去同意他不曉得他什麼時候要被charge這個費用所以現在不收請用文字用新聞稿的方式來告知所有的消費者可不可以"},{"start":881.208,"end":909.413,"text":"好可以好謝謝我先報告我一句話現在他的決定是要我們尊重獨立機關NCC但是這個原意是要阻止一些非法的網購我這個就是要問消費者對以色列法院裡面的這個建議所以還是要有防弊的措施讓他們去研議防弊的措施但是不以收費來當作一個期碼的方式好不好你要防治這些防弊你們就去做防弊但是這個收費既然這個一言既出嘛是嘛"},{"start":909.673,"end":921.025,"text":"那個司馬南錐好來那個時間暫停一下請那個代理主委先回先回座那我現在接著請我們經濟部長郭部長麻煩請經濟部備選好"},{"start":930.888,"end":954.506,"text":"院長部長這個是一個非常重大的議題從川普總統上台之後那麼他立刻啟動了全球的關稅站院長知道台灣在美國的貿易順差就是是美國的貿易順差的國家我們排第幾名您知道嗎"},{"start":957.968,"end":984.537,"text":"第六名然後去年我們對美貿易順差的成績非常好按照美國商務部的統計大概是740億將近740億美元我們本來也很沾沾自喜因為我們本來就希望我們能降低對中國大陸市場的依賴我們成功的開拓了美國市場可是美國人不高興啊"},{"start":985.575,"end":1006.714,"text":"美國人非常不高興,你點頭嘛,同意啊美國很不高興,所以現在只要你是在美國貿易宣傳國前幾名的大家每一個都屁屁剉,瑟瑟發抖所以呢,最近包含泰國的商務部長趕快跑到美國去"},{"start":1007.762,"end":1027.681,"text":"然後韓國的這些企業大老闆也跑到美國去趕快去書城啊說怎麼辦呢我要怎麼做美國你才不要來報復我懲罰我啊很重要那麼我們呢也派了我們的次長經濟部的次長江文若江次長美女次長"},{"start":1028.899,"end":1047.111,"text":"但是問題是院長這麼重大的事情我們的美女次長見到了什麼樣的成績不管是美國商務部或者貿易代表署見到什麼成績您知道嗎雙方的貿易平衡這個是國際間往來一個對等相當重要的原則所以我們並"},{"start":1047.927,"end":1070.551,"text":"不全然沾沾自喜我們對美國的貿易順差我們希望雙方能夠平衡但是就產業面來講我們是一個現在產業供應鏈重要的角色所以多輸出一些高科技產品這也是必然的現象我想這個經過理解之後我們再從其他的方面來平衡這個貿易那麼經濟部江文若次長去到美國他一定有他的安排跟管道"},{"start":1070.891,"end":1093.484,"text":"那見到誰您知道嗎?他有跟您報告嗎?或者部長有跟您報告嗎?或者我們的副院長有跟您報告嗎?因為副院長每個禮拜都在主持相關的會議啊到底院長知不知道?姜文若到底見到誰?姜文若次長去之前我當然知道去之後不曉得見到誰但是我們通過了解整個過程我要必須講這就是一個警訊"},{"start":1099.068,"end":1128.087,"text":"這就是一個警訊這個事情你要親自的去監督因為這個事情對台灣太重要了台灣本來就是以一個貿易出差為導向的一個經濟體當美國的市場對我們已經越來越重要已經達到四分之一然後現在中國大陸市場包含香港是三分之一我們一直希望說降低對中國的這個市場的依賴"},{"start":1129.148,"end":1140.66,"text":"但是對美國我剛才講了我們的順差數字節節高升川普絕對不高興那我也覺得奇怪了部長你去年去了幾次美國啊"},{"start":1141.738,"end":1169.634,"text":"你去年去了幾次美國一次去了一次對不對那你這次為什麼你自己不親自去呢我剛才說泰國的商務部長趕快去他去了以後立刻他都很公開的他說我們要跟美國買你的什麼這個石油買你的大豆買你的玉米告訴大家就直接跟美國坦誠布公我要跟你買東西呀你不要報復我"},{"start":1171.24,"end":1198.611,"text":"泰國這些企業 對不起 韓國的企業界他們見到了美國商務部長 新任商務部長然後直接講交易每一家拿出十億美金你們就有特殊待遇 我們就給你服務商場如戰場尤其部長是從這個商場出來的我就不懂了部長 為什麼你不親自去美國啊為什麼不親自去爭取好 再來"},{"start":1200.131,"end":1223.286,"text":"我很生氣的是,從川普上任之後,我們就想發文給經濟部說你們應該要知道對哪些的產業,對台灣的哪些產業會受影響你們給我啊,輕描淡寫啦,說看起來沒有受什麼影響啊沒有受什麼影響才怪咧"},{"start":1225.106,"end":1253.007,"text":"所有的企業界大家都笑得要死那另外院長我請教您我在這邊為什麼請教院長我不是考你我是說你一定要親自盯這件事情我請問你你知不知道我們的這些大的伺服器跟代工廠會在川普上任百日之前會訪問美國加碼投資美國這件事情您知道嗎"},{"start":1254.172,"end":1279.664,"text":"我知道現在我們有一些工協會的組織已經去到美國去做一些現場的一些訪問那麼他們希望就他的生產的佈局能夠有所調整那這個第一個我們當然尊重產業界自己的決定再來我們也希望在全球戰略佈局情況底下政府也能夠跟產業界有一些接觸好你說尊重齁已經在做這些接觸了你說尊重齁"},{"start":1281.274,"end":1305.695,"text":"那麼現在都傳出因為這個產業鏈這個我們總統說民主產業鏈嘛如果當台積電一直加碼到美國投資而我們包含電電工會的這些大型企業都要到美國去投資現在甚至傳出德州要成立一個所謂的德州竹科所以現在不是只有台積電要搬到美國去"},{"start":1306.596,"end":1314.402,"text":"我們還擔心竹科都要搬到美國去所以在這樣的一個趨勢下我們有沒有相對應的政策我剛才說了嘛我們不要怕丟臉啦人家泰國也不怕丟臉啦告訴你我要買什麼好我再來因為時間很有限我再來跟那個院長跟部長就教"},{"start":1330.165,"end":1351.751,"text":"越南墨西哥倒霉 因為他們是最早被宣布直接charge你 直接提高你的那個關稅25%後來他們以為跟我們沒關係嗎台商很可憐 台商很可憐中美貿易戰開始之後 很多的台灣非常優良的台商他們自己"},{"start":1352.782,"end":1370.052,"text":"另外再布局為了怕美國對中國磕針關碎他們跑到越南他們跑到墨西哥然後現在別說我們已投資越南什麼富士康合作人寶偽創加斯達維德統一一大堆一頭拉骨了"},{"start":1371.203,"end":1386.568,"text":"我們到墨西哥越想說在美國旁邊降低成本因為我老講尤其傳統想要到美國去投資是不可能的啦美國也不歡迎啦因為那個成本太高我們到墨西哥 鴻海 音樂達 緯壽 合壽 廣達 維穎 仁堡一大堆一坨拉肚"},{"start":1392.301,"end":1408.937,"text":"我就覺得奇怪了我們經濟部竟然對於我們墨西哥的台商對於我們越南的台商都沒有任何的來關心所以我要講的說我們這一次是面對一個極大極大的挑戰"},{"start":1411.192,"end":1432.812,"text":"我老實講,為什麼我們還在搞什麼大罷免,不大罷免?我們對各個國家的台商都有關心,請部長發布報告委員,墨西哥的台商有300家,我談了60家等一下,我還有其他問題,好來這個我是很直接的,這是我有直接的主張"},{"start":1434.451,"end":1463.206,"text":"因為我們面對貿易戰我們必須老講我們必須要降低對美國的貿易審查說實在我們是第六名就會被人家當成眼中釘所以我們可能要去增加採購美國的產品現在看起來我覺得能源是其中一項能源可能要加碼投資我知道現在其實能源從美國採購能源已經進入前十名了另外"},{"start":1464.932,"end":1490.493,"text":"汽车我们的台湾的汽车关税17.5%美国2.5%美国的汽车的关税如果按照这样子差那么多倍我们是不是可以降低美国汽车的关税我觉得这是很多消费者我们很多的消费者请命了"},{"start":1491.428,"end":1508.244,"text":"大家希望看到如果我們針對這個貿易戰如果我們有些產品必須降稅的話美國的汽車我們可不可以降稅這一點還有一個很重要的保健食品這個我其實我當時在這個我們財政部長立刻來了"},{"start":1510.197,"end":1525.463,"text":"我在財委會保健食品我們的關稅高到不行30%所以我們很多人只要一出國你有朋友親朋好友在美國一定要讓你去買什麼什麼維他命C啊 維古力啊 巴黎大堆啊各式各樣我們台灣保健食品關稅30%全世界"},{"start":1532.489,"end":1545.314,"text":"中國也8.5% 日本14.5% 韓國8% 美國6.4%請問我們到底在高什麼 我們的關稅到底在高什麼台灣的老百姓要吃一些保健食品要付出這麼大的代價嗎"},{"start":1546.587,"end":1562.553,"text":"委員我四個決議跟你報告我們開了很多次會議只有四點我覺得很重要的決議很簡單說明第一個我們一定跟產業界合作台灣保持先進科技的領先地位第二個任何產業界到外國去做戰略佈局"},{"start":1563.393,"end":1588.204,"text":"絕對不能讓台灣的產業空洞化第三個我們全力的向國際來做爭取避免不公平的關稅針對台灣的任何一個產業第四個如果是涉入到這種對等關稅的談判我們距離力爭在雙方最有力的情況底下我們來做最好的爭取院長其實你回答很空耗那我請問兩大部長都在這邊我們的汽車關稅可以有下降的空間嗎"},{"start":1592.139,"end":1606.473,"text":"來 財政部一定是問經濟部我們只要開放美國的這個關稅2.5%就要對所有的國家開同樣的關稅2.5%所以美國的車不見得進來其他的國家的車都進來那其他的車如果他真的也有這個競爭力的話呢"},{"start":1613.396,"end":1640.113,"text":"本土的產業我們會受到傷害所以我說對準關稅我們保護本土產業很久了啦我們保護本土產業已經非常久了這個我當然知道為什麼我們一直維持高利率但是我必須說以台灣的消費者來說大家期待汽車關稅降價其實也很久了台灣的汽車關稅一直是偏高的因為保護本土產業好再來保健食品"},{"start":1641.277,"end":1655.464,"text":"那時候曾經經濟部說可以研究降低我也覺得這個很離譜可不可以我再用我總諮詢寶貴的時間為大家請命保健食品我們台灣本土的保健食品就非常的強"},{"start":1658.907,"end":1682.774,"text":"還有30%來保護啊對 我們這國內自己的產品嘛我們希望國人能夠愛用國人的產品嘛你就是保護嘛你就是保護嘛對消費者有好處嗎對消費者當然是好處啊好 院長 我在這邊就直接跟你說我們有很多就是在因應這次的整個的貿易關稅戰還有半導體戰"},{"start":1686.533,"end":1713.793,"text":"院長真的要親自的讀經我建議你每個禮拜把幾個部長把我們經貿辦公室的主任偷找過來去盯每一個進度這件事情是重中之重好不好這很重要另外呢我們已經在做我們把它做得更密集像這樣對等關稅的談判我們朝"},{"start":1714.816,"end":1727.978,"text":"雙方有利,但是我剛才不好意思說啦我們江文樂次長他所見到的成績極低啦台積電能夠見到的成績我們的次長是見不到的"},{"start":1729.465,"end":1751.767,"text":"您也知道可是所以我覺得有些我們可以透過你看韓國瑜這些大企業家就寫美國商務部長嘛對不對他是直接告訴你你一家要投資多少錢我們也可以透過我們的企業界如果我們企業界真的要去的話去摸底然後去傳達我們可以在中美貿易順暢上我們可以做些什麼"},{"start":1752.833,"end":1771.052,"text":"至少我們會有因應知道嘛好 我因為我時間很有限了我還是要講一下有關於普發現金我剛才有注意院長針對剛才副總召回答你的意思說也不應該是說全部都普發現金啦還有其他的部分在"},{"start":1774.936,"end":1796.297,"text":"在2023年的時候所提出來的特別條例裡面包含普發先進6000塊裡面還包括撥補勞保基金還有包括撥補健保當時是一個package當時是一個package而我們當時也接受了"},{"start":1796.937,"end":1813.144,"text":"好但是我们真的既然全民的税收的果实就应该要还给人民嘛不要再给我搞一些什么你们算错了这个错了那个错错什么错啊你们财政部的新闻搞"},{"start":1814.557,"end":1835.465,"text":"我們不知道開了幾十年你現在告訴我說怎麼出錯這個稅收超徵出錯可以凹嗎?硬凹成這樣這個我今天齁我今天放過行政院啊你們有多少在總計算裡面造謠的啊你們連稅收超徵都可以造謠啊所以院長院長在這個普發現金的部分齁"},{"start":1856.88,"end":1857.68,"text":"好 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代理主委先回座，我接著請經濟部郭部長。"],["主席：麻煩請經濟部備詢。"],["王委員鴻薇：院長、部長，這是一個非常重大的議題，川普總統上台之後，他立刻啟動全球的關稅戰，院長知道臺灣在美國貿易順差的國家中是排第幾名？您知道嗎？第六名！第六名！","去年我們對美貿易順差的成績非常好，按照美國商務部的統計，大概是將近740億美元，我們本來也很沾沾自喜，因為我們本來就希望能降低對中國大陸市場的依賴，我們成功的開拓了美國市場。可是美國人不高興啊，美國人非常不高興，您點頭嘛，同意哦？美國人很不高興，所以現在只要是在美國貿易順差國前幾名的國家，大家每個人都「咇咇掣」、瑟瑟發抖。所以最近包含泰國的商務部長也趕快跑到美國去，然後韓國的一些企業大老闆也跑到美國去，趕快去輸誠，看看要怎麼做美國才不要報復我、懲罰我，這很重要。","我們也派了經濟部次長──江文若次長過去，美女次長，但問題是，院長，這麼重大的事情，我們的美女次長見到了什麼樣的層級？不管是美國商務部或貿易代表署，他見到什麼層級，您知道嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：雙方的貿易平衡是國際間往來對等相當重要的原則，所以我們並不全然沾沾自喜我們對美國的貿易順差，我們希望雙方能夠平衡。但是就產業面來講，我們是現在產業供應鏈的重要角色，所以多輸出一些高科技產品也是必然的現象，我想這個經過理解之後，我們再從其他方面來平衡貿易。經濟部江文若次長去到美國，他一定有他的安排跟管道……"],["王委員鴻薇：他見到誰您知道嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：這個有的時候……"],["王委員鴻薇：他有跟您報告嗎？或者部長有跟您報告嗎？或我們的副院長有跟您報告嗎？因為副院長每個禮拜都在主持相關的會議啊！到底院長知不知道江文若到底見到誰？"],["卓院長榮泰：江文若次長去之前，我當然知道，而且……"],["王委員鴻薇：但是去之後不曉得見到誰？"],["卓院長榮泰：回來之後，我們不會一一去看他的行程……"],["王委員鴻薇：這就是……"],["卓院長榮泰：但是我們通盤了解整個過程。"],["王委員鴻薇：好，院長，我必須要講，這就是一個警訊！這個事情您要親自的去監督，因為這個事情對臺灣太重要了。"],["卓院長榮泰：好。"],["王委員鴻薇：臺灣本來就是以貿易出超為導向的經濟體，美國市場對我們來說已經越來越重要，已經達到四分之一，而現在中國大陸市場（包含香港）是三分之一，我們一直希望降低對中國市場的依賴，但是對於美國，我剛才講了，我們的順差數字節節高升，川普絕對不高興，但我也覺得奇怪了，部長，你去年去了幾次美國？你去年去了幾次美國？"],["郭部長智輝：一次。"],["王委員鴻薇：去了一次，對不對？"],["郭部長智輝：對。"],["王委員鴻薇：那你這次為什麼自己不親自去呢？我剛才說了泰國的商務部長趕快去，他去了以後立刻就很公開的說要跟美國買石油、買大豆、買玉米，告訴大家，就直接跟美國開誠布公的說要跟你買東西，你不要報復我。韓國的企業界，他們見到了美國新任的商務部長，然後直接講交易，每一家拿出10億美金，你們就有特殊待遇，我們就給你服務。商場如戰場，尤其部長是從商場出來的，我就不懂了，部長，為什麼你不親自去美國、為什麼不親自去爭取？","再來，我很生氣的是，從川普上任之後，我們就發文給經濟部，所以你們應該要知道，對臺灣的哪些產業會受影響，你們給我輕描淡寫，說看起來沒有受什麼影響。沒有受什麼影響才怪咧！所有的企業界大家都嚇得要死。","另外，院長，我請教您，我在這邊為什麼請教院長，我不是考你，我是說你一定要親自盯這件事情。"],["卓院長榮泰：好。"],["王委員鴻薇：我請問你，你知不知道我們這些大的伺服器代工廠，會在川普上任百日之前訪問美國，加碼投資美國，這件事情您知道嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我知道現在我們有一些公協會組織已經去美國做一些現場訪問，他們希望就他的生產的布局能夠有所調整，對此，第一個，我們當然尊重產業界自己的決定；再來，我們也希望在全球戰略布局的情況底下，政府也能夠跟產業界有一些接觸，我們現在已經在做這些接觸了。"],["王委員鴻薇：好，你說尊重。現在都傳出因為這個產業鏈，我們總統說民主產業鏈，如果當台積電一直加碼到美國投資，而我們包含電電公會的這些大型企業都要到美國去投資，現在甚至傳出德州要成立一個所謂的德州竹科，所以現在不是只有台積電要搬到美國去，我們還擔心竹科都要搬到美國去。在這樣的一個趨勢下，我們有沒有相對應的政策？我剛才說了嘛，我們不要怕丟臉，人家泰國也不怕丟臉，告訴你，我要買什麼。","再來，因為時間很有限，我再來跟院長、跟部長就教。越南、墨西哥倒楣，因為他們是最早被宣布，直接charge你，直接提高你的關稅25%，好像我們以為這跟我們沒有關係嗎？臺商很可憐，中美貿易戰開始之後，很多臺灣非常優良的臺商他們自己另外在布局，為了怕美國對中國課徵關稅，他們跑到越南，他們跑到墨西哥，然後現在比如說我們已投資越南的包括富士康、和碩、仁寶、緯創、佳世達、味丹、統一等等一大堆，一拖拉庫，到墨西哥又想說在美國旁邊，降低成本，因為我老實講，尤其傳統廠商到美國去投資是不可能的啦，美國也不歡迎，因為它的成本太高。我們到墨西哥的有鴻海、英業達、緯創、和碩、廣達、緯穎、仁寶等等一大堆，一拖拉庫，我就覺得奇怪了，我們經濟部竟然對於墨西哥的臺商，對於我們的越南臺商都沒有任何的關心。所以我要講的是，我們這一次面對一個極大、極大的挑戰，我老實講，為什麼我們還在搞這個什麼大罷免不大罷免……"],["卓院長榮泰：我跟委員報告，我們對個別國家的臺商都有關心，請部長……"],["王委員鴻薇：好，然後，我現在要講一個很重要的……"],["郭部長智輝：報告委員，墨西哥的臺商有300家，我談了60家。"],["王委員鴻薇：等一下，我還有其他問題問你。這個我是很直接的，我有直接的主張，因為我們面對貿易戰，老實講，我們必須要降低對美國的貿易順差，說實在的我們是第六名，就會被人家當成眼中釘，所以我們可能要去增加採購美國的產品。現在看起來，我覺得能源是其中一項，能源可能要加碼投資，我知道現在其實從美國採購的能源已經進入前十名了。另外，我們臺灣的汽車關稅是17.5%，美國是2.5%，美國的汽車關稅，如果按照這樣子，差了那麼多倍，我們是不是可以降低美國汽車的關稅？我為很多的消費者請命，大家希望看到，針對這個貿易戰，如果我們有些產品必須降稅的話，美國的汽車我們可不可以降稅？除了這一點，還有一個很重要的就是保健食品，提到這個，我們財政部長就立刻上來了，我在財委會，關於保健食品，我們的關稅高到不行，有30%，所以我們很多人只要一出國，若有親朋好友在美國，一定要讓你去買什麼維他命C、維骨力等一大堆、各式各樣的。","我們臺灣保健食品的關稅30%，在全世界當中，中國8.5%、日本14.5%、韓國8%、美國6.4%，請問我們的關稅到底在高什麼？臺灣的老百姓要吃一些保健食品要付出這麼大的代價嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，我有四個決議跟你報告，我們開了很多次會議，只有四點我覺得是很重要的決議，很簡單在此說明，第一個，我們一定跟產業界合作，臺灣保持先進科技的領先地位；第二個，任何產業界到外國去做戰略布局，絕對不能讓臺灣的產業空洞化；第三個，我們全力的向國際來做爭取，避免不公平的關稅針對臺灣任何一個產業；第四個，如果是涉入到這種對等關稅的談判，我們據理力爭，在雙方最有利的情況底下，我們來做最好的爭取。"],["王委員鴻薇：院長，其實你的回答很空！好，兩大部長都在這邊，請問我們的汽車關稅可以有下降的空間嗎？財政部一定認為這要問經濟部。"],["郭部長智輝：報告委員，我們只要開放美國的關稅2.5%，就要對所有的國家開放同樣的關稅2.5%，所以美國的車不見得進來，但其他國家的車都進來了。"],["王委員鴻薇：其他的車如果真的也有這個競爭力的話呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：那本土的產業會受到傷害……"],["郭部長智輝：那本土就完蛋了！"],["卓院長榮泰：所以我說對等關稅，我們一定會在雙方有利的情況下來做……"],["王委員鴻薇：我們保護本土產業很久了啦！我們保護本土產業已經非常久了！我當然知道為什麼我們一直維持高利率，但是我必須說，以臺灣的消費者來說，大家期待汽車關稅降價其實也很久了，臺灣的汽車關稅一直是偏高的，因為保護本土產業。","再來，保健食品，那時候經濟部曾經說可以研究降低，我也覺得這個很離譜，可不可以？我再用我總質詢寶貴的時間為大家請命。"],["郭部長智輝：關於保健食品，我們臺灣本土的保健食品就非常的強。"],["王委員鴻薇：強的話幹嘛還要30%來保護？"],["郭部長智輝：我們國內自己的產品嘛，我們希望國人能夠愛用國人的產品，所以進口會有比較高的稅。"],["王委員鴻薇：你就是保護嘛，對消費者有好處嗎？這對消費者一點好處都沒有。"],["郭部長智輝：對消費者當然有好處啊！"],["王委員鴻薇：院長，我在這邊就直接跟你說，我們有很多就是在因應這一次整個貿易關稅戰，還有半導體戰，院長真的要親自督軍，我建議你每個禮拜把幾個部長、把我們經貿辦公室的主任等等統統找過來，去盯每一個進度，這件事情是重中之重，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：好。"],["王委員鴻薇：這很重要，另外……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們已經在做，我們把它做得更密集。"],["王委員鴻薇：好。"],["卓院長榮泰：像這樣對等關稅的談判，我們朝雙方有利，但是有些可以開放的，我們可以研究開放。"],["王委員鴻薇：我剛才不好意思說啦，我們江文若次長所見到的層級極低啦，台積電能夠見到的層級，我們的次長是見不到的。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["王委員鴻薇：您也知道，所以我覺得有些我們可以透過……你看韓國也是一些大企業家去見美國商務部長，對不對？他是直接告訴你，你一家要投資多少錢，我們也可以透過我們的企業界，如果我們企業界真的要去的話，去摸底，然後去傳達在中美貿易順暢上我們可以做些什麼，至少我們會有因應之道嘛。","因為我時間很有限，我還是要講一下有關於普發現金，我剛才有注意，院長針對剛才傅總召回答，你的意思說也不應該是全部都普發現金，還有其他的部分。在2023年的時候所提出來的特別條例，裡面包含普發現金6,000塊，裡面還包括撥補勞保基金，還有包括撥補健保，當時是一個package。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["王委員鴻薇：而我們當時也接受了，但是真的，既然是全民稅收的果實，就應該要還給人民嘛！不要再給我搞一些什麼你們算錯了，這個錯、那個錯，錯什麼錯啊？你們財政部的新聞稿，我們都看了幾十年，你現在告訴我說什麼出錯，稅收超徵出錯？欸，可以拗嗎？硬拗成這樣！這個我今天放過行政院，你們有多少在總預算裡面造謠的啊？你們連稅收超徵都可以造謠啊？"],["卓院長榮泰：我找機會跟委員詳細說明。"],["王委員鴻薇：所以，院長，在這個普發現金的部分，我們認為你是可以去做其他的，你也可以把它做個package，但是，全民的稅收成果該還給人民就要還給人民，你同不同意？"],["卓院長榮泰：我希望兩院合理的來討論一個完整的配套，對國家有利，對人民也接受。"],["王委員鴻薇：所以你不完全排除嘛？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們來研究一個完整的配套。"],["王委員鴻薇：好。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝王鴻薇委員發言，謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長的備詢。","接下來我們請登記第6位陳俊宇委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":232,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-2","speakers":["韓國瑜","王鴻薇","吳思瑤","范雲","吳春城","傅崐萁","陳培瑜","陳俊宇","羅智強"],"page_start":13,"meetingDate":["2025-02-25"],"gazette_id":"1142401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1142401_00002","1142401_00003","1142401_00004","1142401_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俱樂部性質來去打棒球所以他們不會後悔到學業書讀得不夠多那我們在科學上都跟不上正常人所以我們也許我們以後球迷大人我們會變成就只有棒球的專長那未來我們要做什麼那要重新學習但如果你今天讀書或打球能夠經過的話那當然對於未來就會有多項選擇我是覺得這是我們比較欠缺的"},{"start":608.68,"end":634.77,"text":"好 陳傑憲身為聽猜問的隊長他告訴賴總統我們希望未來的選手可以讀書跟運動兼顧在今天的報導者今天早上出了一個報導在國中會考5C學生的比例如果全國110學年度全國學生5C的比例是6.88%體育班的學生高達18.53可是再把棒球體育班的學生5C的比例是39.52也就是6倍以上"},{"start":635.871,"end":651.81,"text":"111學年度是6.27體育班是17.72到了棒球體育班學生是36.06我會說這不是一任新的院長在過去一年當中就可以解決的問題它其實過去長久以來結構的問題但是未來在深隔層運動部我真的很希望這個問題可以獲得改善"},{"start":653.672,"end":680.79,"text":"也要拜託教育部或者是未來的運動部如何在體育班相關的配套跟分工還有孩子們的權益拜託一定要顧到就像我想要問的是我自己的小孩學音樂或者是我朋友的小孩學美術他們在音樂班在美術班但是他們在過往業務分工不會被丟給文化部他們還是在教育部他們是教育部的孩子我認為體育班的孩子也是一樣如果真的把它丟給運動部很多的教育配套我認為會出現問題"},{"start":683.852,"end":711.648,"text":"但是後續的很多配套我想我們會再提起跟行政院跟部長這邊討論可以嗎好接下來謝謝部長接下來我要談的是關於運動文化的部分我們也辦了相關的會議座談那甚至石明錦也是部分區委員他提到說文化如果過未來是在產業司主導可是他有一些擔心例如說產業在意的是競技在意的是錢的可能但是沒有不會立即看到錢的包含運動文化"},{"start":713.509,"end":741.243,"text":"運動畫館 運動名人堂 運動博物館有沒有在我們運動文化累積的想像當中在目前的規劃報告我們沒有辦法看到全貌但是我們真的會很擔心我們希望它不要只有在產業的想像當中它必須有一個更好的更高度的想像包含周思齊在我們辦的座談會當中他也親自現身說法看見了整個運動文化的需求希望珍視運動文化目前我們的運動文化只有數位典藏"},{"start":741.783,"end":759.672,"text":"但是更多的我剛說的不應該歸產業想像的部分可不可以有政府高度的支持好 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"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，同在這個國家、同在這個議場裡面，你不能用這種「我就看好戲」的方式，這是國家要團結一致的時候。"],["傅委員崐萁：什麼叫「看好戲」？本席是請你回答，你說什麼「看好戲」啊？什麼態度啊？"],["卓院長榮泰：你說「本席就看」，我們要一致團結……"],["傅委員崐萁：本席是說要看你有如何的作為。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們要一致團結……"],["傅委員崐萁：誰跟你沒有團結啊？"],["卓院長榮泰：你要了解早上我的報告，你要聽，冗長的報告你不聽，你現在要我說明……"],["傅委員崐萁：你今天的態度是你早上報告了1個小時，所有的立委都不要質詢了，是不是？"],["卓院長榮泰：不用再敲桌子。"],["傅委員崐萁：只要回去看你那1小時的錄影帶，是嗎？大家都不要來質詢了，是不是？什麼態度嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：就是很詳細、負責任的跟大家報告。"],["傅委員崐萁：你講了1個小時，所有的立委都不要問了，大家回去看錄影帶。"],["卓院長榮泰：你現在也講半個小時啊！"],["傅委員崐萁：這是本席的時間啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：早上是我的時間啊！"],["傅委員崐萁：你的時間講完了，現在換本席問你啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：我早上講過的，只要你有注意聽，就不需要問了。"],["傅委員崐萁：就叫大家回去看你的光碟，是不是？"],["主席：好，時間暫停。"],["傅委員崐萁：哪裡可以這樣子啊？本席請你回答問題，還叫我回去看你的光碟，什麼態度啊！"],["主席：時間暫停。"],["卓院長榮泰：你說我早上的冗長報告，你一句都不聽，還說我們什麼都沒有做。"],["傅委員崐萁：權力的傲慢，可以這樣子嗎？回答本席的問題有這麼困難嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：不難啊！如果你早上有聽，就不難啊！"],["傅委員崐萁：不難？所以你驚慌得沒有辦法回答，是嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：你早上注意聽，就不難啦！"],["傅委員崐萁：回答問題有如此困難嗎？"],["主席：傅委員，時間暫停好嗎？院長，時間暫停。容許本席提醒一下。"],["傅委員崐萁：請院長。"],["主席：基於我們立法院的質詢，要請所有的委員跟官員之間彼此尊重，也請官員不用急著搶答，那我們質詢繼續。"],["傅委員崐萁：請據實回答。"],["卓院長榮泰：哪一件？"],["傅委員崐萁：對台積電你要怎麼守護它？現在還包括川普有可能要對晶圓課百分之百的關稅。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們非常重視……"],["傅委員崐萁：民進黨政府怎麼面對這個問題？"],["卓院長榮泰：但是我們分析的結果，台積電是做代工，但課稅是要針對這種製造業的廠商，所以它不一定會遭受到任何很大的傷害，但是我們認為對一絲絲的波動政府都要非常的謹慎跟縝密，所以我們跟各個廠商、業者都進行了多次的談話，我們認為影響是在的。"],["傅委員崐萁：卓院長，謝謝你。所以卓院長的結論是據民進黨政府的研判，不會有什麼問題……"],["卓院長榮泰：沒有這個結論。"],["傅委員崐萁：本席告訴你……"],["卓院長榮泰：沒有這個結論！"],["傅委員崐萁：本席告訴你，全世界的ITA、IT Agreement已經完全打破了，我現在告訴你，請你睡醒！請你睡醒！"],["卓院長榮泰：所以我們在因應這個情勢，我們有臺美經貿工作小組，我們在因應這個情勢。"],["傅委員崐萁：全臺灣人對於護國神山台積電這個矽盾，84%的人認同它是臺灣的護國神山，也是84%的人反對台積電成為「美」積電，本席在這裡鄭重的希望卓院長趕快睡醒，趕快睜開眼睛，趕快面對全世界的變局。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們希望台積電一直保持在國際上領先的地位，而且它的重心一定是放在臺灣。"],["傅委員崐萁：我們來看一下台積電怎麼來的……"],["卓院長榮泰：受到的衝擊不會小，但是政府跟產業界都有所因應。"],["傅委員崐萁：1974年2月決定發展積體電路（IC）技術，1974年在一個豆漿店，孫運璿院長帶著這些臺灣菁英決定了積體電路，我們決定要朝這個方向進行，到1985年我們最後決定做專業的晶圓代工，而不是從上游到下游、從IC設計一路到生產代工全部來做，這個決定影響臺灣澈澈底底成為世界晶圓代工的霸主，而整個資源投入下去做一條龍，所以全世界會分工，讓我們做其中一個環節的代工能夠壯大就是這個原因來的……"],["卓院長榮泰：我都知道科學園區，也肯定並感謝過去的努力，我們在一路向上，我們繼續學習跟進步。"],["傅委員崐萁：所以你都知道，你剛剛說的認為影響不大，台積電是怎麼出生的……"],["卓院長榮泰：我沒有認為影響不大，委員不要斷章取義，我沒有認為影響不大。"],["傅委員崐萁：你剛剛說的，請你回去再看一下你今天對我的詢答。"],["卓院長榮泰：請不要斷章取義，這是委員的專長，你不要斷章取義。"],["傅委員崐萁：反正臺灣政府你本來就應該要負責。當時經濟部長李國鼎說服了俞國華院長，在台積電成立的時候不只招募外資，臺灣的企業投資、政府出資48%，1987年成立了台積電，所以本席現在要隆重的告訴卓院長，這是臺灣的護國神山，國民黨政府創立了台積電，民進黨政府不要出賣了台積電，本席隆重的告訴你就是這樣。"],["卓院長榮泰：放心，絕對不會，我們維護台積電在全世界的領先地位。"],["傅委員崐萁：大家拭目以待看民進黨政府怎麼面對川普大帝。再來，中央政府到現在到底會不會試算每一年國家的稅收是多少？連續四年超收一兆八千七百多億，了不起！了不起！超收一兆八千七百多億，連續四年連估算國家的稅收是多少都估不出來，這就是民進黨的政權。本席想了很久，國內的經濟脈動、國內的財政發展，民進黨政府竟然茫然不知，所以每一年都有巨額的估算錯誤，才會有一兆八千七百多億的超徵，中間只有拿了5,300億去還債。本席到昨天晚上頓悟，原來估錯是有原因的，估錯的原因是因為這些稅課收入的25%，照舊制的統籌分配款要分配25%給地方政府，所以你這些錢沒有估算到就不用給地方政府，這四年來不得了了，這個是一級的國家級詐術。"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，你算錯了！委員，我提醒你，你算錯了，不要繼續往下算，請部長算給你聽。"],["傅委員崐萁：沒有關係啦！沒有關係啦！"],["卓院長榮泰：你算錯了嘛！"],["傅委員崐萁：好啦！部長說，沒有關係。"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員說明，對於中央統籌分配稅款，我們在預算的時候會先算給12個月，但是如果實徵數超過預算數，實徵數超過的部分依然會給地方政府，不會留在中央，屬於地方政府的還是會給。"],["傅委員崐萁：好，所以這四年超徵的一兆八千七百多億，25%是4,676億，會給地方政府，是嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：會按照我們的中央統籌分配稅款公式給。"],["傅委員崐萁：好，請你提供資料給本席。"],["莊部長翠雲：沒有問題。"],["傅委員崐萁：本席很高興聽到這樣，因為沒有關係，接下來最會覆議的行政院長，一天到晚只知道覆議的行政院長……"],["卓院長榮泰：我是被動的。"],["傅委員崐萁：對於總預算、對於財劃法都要提覆議，本席一定會等到你……"],["卓院長榮泰：我是被動的、我是被動的。"],["傅委員崐萁：請你今天下午提供給本席，因為從早上就追財政部、追主計總處，資料都不給我們，沒有關係，現在本席公開在這裡要求你們資料趕快給我。再過來，我們超徵這麼多錢，要不要還稅於民？院長，要不要還稅於民？講不出來？"],["卓院長榮泰：實徵數超過預算數之後，我們除了增加還本之外……"],["傅委員崐萁：實徵數本來就超過預算數，超過太多了嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：我們還減少舉債，這個都要算在內，之後我們可以用特別條例……"],["傅委員崐萁：減少舉債可以算在內，本席沒有不同意。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們用特別條例、特別預算的方式，可以用在人民所需要的地方。我們過去也有發消費券，也有發現金的例子，這都是其中的一項，但不要把它固定到只能怎麼用，那對政府的財政彈性是沒有辦法因應的。"],["傅委員崐萁：我們看一下，澳門還錢於民，永久居民4萬臺幣；香港2萬1,000臺幣；新加坡家戶1萬9,000臺幣；南韓1萬7,000到7,000臺幣；美國每戶5,000塊美金（16萬3,000臺幣），還稅於民，所以本席在這裡強力建議，我們去年超收5,283億……"],["莊部長翠雲：中央就是3,700億，沒有……"],["傅委員崐萁：是不是全民普發1萬塊，還稅於民可以嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員說明……"],["傅委員崐萁：不是！本席問的問題是還稅於民，一人普發1萬塊，院長同不同意？"],["莊部長翠雲：中央是3,700億。"],["卓院長榮泰：實徵數超過預算數之後，我們可以用來增加還本，減少舉債……"],["傅委員崐萁：好，你看一下、你看一下……"],["卓院長榮泰：依照預算法跟公共債務法，我們還有相關的規定。"],["傅委員崐萁：你看一下，2022年民進黨立委也喊過要普發1萬塊，所有的國家都能做，我們到底能不能做？","本席再請教一個，請問院長，去年教育部體育署113年度歲出的法定數是54億1,511萬，今年我們通過的法定數是多少？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們今年編給未來的運動部，我記得將近有170億左右。"],["傅委員崐萁：體育署，我們今年通過是多少錢？回答一下嘛！你們不是準備覆議了嗎？你們數字都不曉得，就準備覆議嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們數字當然知道啊！"],["傅委員崐萁：那請告訴本席。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們今年原計預算……"],["傅委員崐萁：去年54億，今年是多少？"],["卓院長榮泰：對於體育的預算，我們原來希望能夠增加到200億以上。"],["傅委員崐萁：不是，你們也不要這麼「膨風」嘛！你們提出來是七十四億多嘛……"],["卓院長榮泰：還有另外的體育基金，這是一半而已。"],["傅委員崐萁：你們提出來的是七十四億多嘛！部長，所以是多少？"],["卓院長榮泰：其實這是一半而已，另外還有一半是基金的方式……"],["傅委員崐萁：體育署的部分是多少？"],["鄭部長英耀：基金還沒有通過。"],["卓院長榮泰：基金的方式還沒有通過。"],["傅委員崐萁：體育署的部分是多少？"],["卓院長榮泰：我說這是一半而已，我們還有一半在基金。"],["傅委員崐萁：好，對啊！本席請教體育署就好，是多少？"],["卓院長榮泰：大概一百六、七十億左右。"],["傅委員崐萁：什麼亂講啊！你們都講不出來喔？"],["卓院長榮泰：我是說含基金。"],["傅委員崐萁：沒有關係、沒有關係，好，本席待會再來問。"],["卓院長榮泰：74億是一半而已，剛剛跟委員說明了，跟委員說明過的事情，委員都認為……"],["傅委員崐萁：好，臺灣人過年7天被詐了16億，臺灣是詐騙橫行的地方，警政署公布一個禮拜有兩千五百多件詐騙案，國人被詐了16億。國民黨負責任地要嚇阻這個詐騙，在本會期會提出優先法案、民生法案，除了去年法務部的「打詐四法」以外，我們今年還會再次提高所有打詐的刑度，在臺灣最重是七年以下，日本最重是十年以下，韓國十三年以下，美國三十年以下，新加坡十七年以下。臺灣只要是車手，什麼東西都是緩刑，也不用關，所以造成今天詐騙已經真的是國家隊了。","本席在這裡要隆重地告訴院長，中華民國臺灣的球隊到哪裡打球，我們都希望他贏，但是我們看一下，「經典賽輸球，是因為藍白刪預算？」這個不得了啊！這已經是詐騙國家隊，Team 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下一頁就是思堯的觀察您是史上最難為的行政院院長因為面對國際的變局面對中國的步步進逼乃至於在國會"},{"start":123.012,"end":143.921,"text":"受到在野黨的杯葛執政您都是最為難為挑戰最多的院長您剛提到了復議因為您面對的違憲法案最多不管是提出復議還包括目前有三個法案都已經提出釋憲而國會擴選法案已被宣判違憲"},{"start":145.422,"end":170.2,"text":"第二呢您面對的錢坑法案、肉桶法案也最多我這個會期又重新幫您試算了一下現在各黨在野黨的委員提出來的錢坑肉桶法案有33個案不管是一次性的經費或者是分年度的支出至少國庫一年3兆3500億起跳這非常可怕"},{"start":174.076,"end":197.81,"text":"您面對的也是史上總預算被刪減最高的一次所以說在面對這麼多的困難當中您是史上最難為的院長夏業但是我同時也要為您平反您是我所看到史上最努力溝通的院長怎麼說"},{"start":199.437,"end":214.446,"text":"在窮盡一切的努力在各個階段在各種可能性您都不放棄努力我回溯一下過去的這一年您記得嗎10月11號我們跟韓院長一起吃了和解飯"},{"start":215.902,"end":242.351,"text":"然後11月7號您又再次的邀集各黨的黨鞭到行政院您的御山廳我們一起針對總預算立委不應當片面的以修法的方式來增加政府預算之支出這違反憲法預算法跟財政紀律法您希望透過這個協調去定下彼此的遊戲規則這是第二次您的努力"},{"start":243.231,"end":268.842,"text":"第三次當然是總統依據憲法44條來進行的院計協商之後您依舊不放棄溝通您努力的促成了也感謝韓院長召開再一次的總預算協商即便我們都知道三讀通過的總預算如果要能夠去做調整它存在著巨大的困難但是不放棄努力"},{"start":269.562,"end":276.119,"text":"所以我說您是一個史上最努力溝通的行政院院長我要為您平反您認為呢"},{"start":279.593,"end":301.144,"text":"委員這是鼓勵還是這是鼓勵這是加冕我也期待您未來還需要不放棄溝通市長委員您這樣的說法面對違憲最多的法案還好我們有憲法的救濟程序面對錢坑法案還好我們在立法院還有很多的機會可以好好的以福國利民的法案為優先"},{"start":302.225,"end":330.667,"text":"那麼面對那麼多被刪減的預算還好我有提出我們是因為新增事項很多所以我們不是胡亂編一個史上最高的至於說溝通協調這個本來就是在政治上必須要做的工作也不是我單人一人所為也謝謝韓院長更謝謝總統在適時的時候出面更謝謝朝野各黨團也能夠坐下來討論即使我在剛剛的報告當中所說的過去的這一年行政立法兩院"},{"start":331.363,"end":355.861,"text":"在磨合期,風波起起伏伏但我相信,風波總會過去風平浪靜,雨過天晴的那一天總會來到民主就是不斷的對話,下一頁所以呢,很多在野黨的委員,包括您剛剛也自嘲您是提出富裕最多的一個院長但我要說,當立法院違憲成為慣例的時候"},{"start":356.781,"end":382.363,"text":"行政部門、憲政機關的維護憲法就是必須因為你必須要善盡憲法賦予您的憲法忠誠義務不管是提起復議讓立法院針對至愛難行的法案重新審視或者是依循核憲的程序提出暫時處分或釋憲這都是您的不得不然下一頁"},{"start":383.104,"end":402.125,"text":"辛惠琪的新期許韓院長也在這我在這裡希望我再一次說2025應該是台灣國會重建民主的一年我們希望四個期許第一個擱置爭議的議題我們一起努力去做到民生優先"},{"start":403.186,"end":429.103,"text":"第二個沒有討論不是民主國會應當要進行民主的討論程序而最重要的討論機制場域就在委員會的中心主義要被落實讓專業說話最後一個有賴於韓院長我們必須讓協商真正的成為對話的場域而不是過水快轉"},{"start":430.464,"end":453.291,"text":"的假協商只重程序而沒有實質的協商那不利於台灣國會民主的重建所以我個人也擔任一年以來的黨鞭我非常的期待2025我們一起努力讓台灣的國會能夠重建民主這四大期許我們一起努力來做到好嗎"},{"start":453.931,"end":474.399,"text":"委員你也是最辛苦最強的幹事長你也帶領黨團在總召的領導者下我們確實在這個環境底下做了很多我們原先以為不會那麼順利的事情這是大家共同努力的結果我也出身立法院我絕對尊重立法院只要立法院任何一個法案跟預算合法合憲而且經過"},{"start":475.956,"end":504.189,"text":"法定程序經過實質的協商經過民主的投票出來的結果行政院一定遵守所以國會應當是一個少數服從多數但是多數一定要尊重少數讓少數的意見多元的意見能夠被傳達而不是被噤聲下一頁再下一頁再下一頁當然這個會期在野黨提出來了很多民生"},{"start":505.816,"end":531.068,"text":"的議案但是我要強調民生議案也必然要經過多元而充分的討論匯聚社會的共識首先國定假日的天數調整立法院已經有19個立委的版本那行政院的立場我相信您也收集了各方的意見可以簡要跟我們說明就國定假日的天數調整目前您這裡的言議目前我們的國定假日"},{"start":534.952,"end":562.993,"text":"是一年有115或116天因為論年的關係那這個是符合大院的這個附帶決議的文字所以我們一直在這裡面調整那現在我們有聽到很多的聲音希望能夠多增加但一個增加會超出這樣的立法院當初大院的一個文字再來增加要增加到哪裡去要增加哪一天增加什麼節目他必須要有"},{"start":564.55,"end":581.601,"text":"對國人來有意義對國家要有意義所以我們一直希望說能夠採全國的一致性的原則而且增加的要能夠我希望以社會付出成本最低變化最少的方式來增加所以如果能這個討論底下那大家能夠很公開理性的討論"},{"start":582.901,"end":598.271,"text":"最近大家提到七天假但是我還是很清楚的要報告沒有所謂七天假要不要還的問題因為七天假的前提是我們在沒有落實週休二日的時候是馬前總統那個時候提出的以落實"},{"start":599.692,"end":617.939,"text":"週休二日的時候七天假就取消那現在我們有95%的執行率達成率幾乎國人95%都有落實到週休二日所以沒有所謂七天假但是要不要回復哪一天如果它具有特殊的意義有全國的一致性那麼變動也會最少"},{"start":619.189,"end":644.351,"text":"好野各方產業界跟勞動朋友都能夠來一致的話那我們可以找出一個最佳解下一頁所以我的主張也跟您雷同我認為增加假日是可以正向積極的討論但是要還原事實您剛剛說的這幾年來我們改善勞權週休二日上路之後現在週休二日的比例已經來到94.77%"},{"start":647.293,"end":672.222,"text":"而也搭配了縮短工時週休二日加上增加特別休假的幾個配套現在台灣受僱員工的總工時已經降到2020年一個小時但是我們不滿意我們還要持續的精進但是回到這個關鍵的議題就是我非常同意您說的增加假日應當是建立制度"},{"start":672.922,"end":693.128,"text":"全國一致我個人也看了19個版本我認為各個版本的立法旗艦人多如果能夠行政院是不是研議就現行的辦法下手可以更有彈性的來增加假日的部分來促成擴大多元的對話"},{"start":694.955,"end":712.724,"text":"關於勞動工時的問題因為我們國家的計算跟其他國家的計算有一個基礎的不同是部分工時我們是比較少其他國家比較多所以合併算起來我們的工時會比較長這個勞動部可以再詳細說明所以紀念日的法制化我請內政部也可以說明"},{"start":713.789,"end":742.096,"text":"所以部長有要提出對岸的修法還是我們傾向用行政命令現行的要點目前為止我們希望能夠維持現狀因為19個委員的版本都會有特別身份的人要特別放假但是跟剛剛所說的勞動基準法在105年公布之後現在所有的工時或是所有的放假日已經跟軍公教都齊平那我們會認為說第一個維持現狀第二個就是我們剛剛所提到的這個制度要建立的時候要有共識"},{"start":742.876,"end":761.445,"text":"我們去年十月在內政委員會的時候邀集各方的包括中小企業的團體來的時候他們的說法就跟一般的勞團的說法不見相同所以我們覺得說如果沒有各方有共識之前貿然就把這個國定假日法變成是一個法律案的話恐怕會有很多不同的爭議"},{"start":762.205,"end":786.75,"text":"好那我收到我們那個目前的研議我們希望由現行的實施辦法來著手但是擴大對話正向來研議不管是增加幾天我們都願意往這方面一起來促成各界的一個意見交流我願意跟大家來討論好那因為時間非常短我回到這個最後一個議題壯世代的風暴院長壯世代的風暴帶給台灣社會什麼省思"},{"start":792.512,"end":817.064,"text":"我認為我也非常遺憾上午就站在這個地方我們吳春城委員他辭去立委我尊重個人的去留但是公共政策的辯論跟是非曲直的探討也不會因為個人的去留而停止本席非常覺得遺憾居然把本席還有陳時中政委拖下水"},{"start":818.064,"end":843.45,"text":"我要再次的還原所謂的壯士代的促進法這個專法在朝野協商的場域伍思堯作為黨團的幹部我非常努力的協助行政部門跟各黨之間我們來提出一個對於行政部門衝擊較小而且是更為可行的一個法案因此我拆了三個地雷第一個"},{"start":844.19,"end":871.108,"text":"原來的吳春城的版本是要求行政院要有壯世代的專責辦公室我們認為其其以為不可第二他要求行政院要為壯世代新立基金這又是一個違憲的法案當然不可能接受所以我也成功的協調刪除了這個條文第三個吳春城民眾黨要求兩年內內閣相關的法案都要一律的證明改為壯世代我們認為姿勢體大"},{"start":874.29,"end":901.583,"text":"所以我希望說一個理性的公共政策的討論不要拿別人來背鍋也不要把行政部門來合理化現在委員個人是否有涉及圖利個人涉及事項的討論我認為這對民主的社會都不健康我只剩下最後20秒我也不知道怎麼來講我的最後一個議題社會需要的是青年基本法"},{"start":902.483,"end":917.243,"text":"我們要哪一種世代正義我們不要讓富者更富我們應當拉年輕人一把七年基本法伍思瑤從第十屆倡議到十一屆我今天沒有時間論述可不可以正面"},{"start":920.669,"end":931.797,"text":"請行政院專門通過論壇提出《新年基本法》的原例這才是臺灣社會最期待的事但就院長先公告"},{"start":954.011,"end":974.442,"text":"主要在任党可以成为最近7年的行政对不对我没想到7年这个党是所有7年世代共同的场就是让台湾的世代政治大幅下跌的这种宪党维杰的整合法律我一定会放心的就像放弃国民党我们一起来承认好 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