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臺中加油 謝謝大家好 謝謝麥玉珍委員的發言"},{"start":2988.784,"end":2991.875,"text":"麥委員好 接下來我們請陳金威委員發言"},{"start":3001.209,"end":3019.658,"text":"主席各位委員還有媒體朋友大家早安上週我在這個台上站了三分鐘絞盡腦汁幫賴清德總統回顧他這一年來到底有什麼豐功偉業有什麼福國利民的政績很遺憾真的想不到"},{"start":3020.538,"end":3032.083,"text":"有些青鳥飛出來罵我說浪費三分鐘我只想說那你怎麼不去罵賴清德浪費全台灣人民一整年總共是52萬5600分鐘呢"},{"start":3036.365,"end":3050.375,"text":"話說回來賴清德這一年到底在做什麼這個問題啊我猜連民進黨自己人都不太清楚反而是現在全台灣推動大罷免的領銜人最清楚賴清德在做什麼"},{"start":3051.255,"end":3077.376,"text":"所以賴清德可以因為國政繁忙不方便出席市狀運的開幕式但是絕對有空跟霸團的領銜人們開會而且不止一次是常常跟霸團領銜人開會我們偉大的賴總統像個痴情的男子漢靜靜的傾聽含情莫莫的注視個美味霸團領銜人"},{"start":3079.758,"end":3090.189,"text":"筆記哪一位市議員還沒有配合連署這個一年領我們國人納稅前六百萬的總統竟然可以不務正業到這種地步"},{"start":3092.243,"end":3112.976,"text":"不好意思 我修正一下 其实赖清德没有不务正业我刚刚想了一想 治理国家不是他的正业 推动大罢免才是他的正业所以赖清德什么都没有做错 他是对的 他是唯一的真理 他是神一般的存在啊"},{"start":3114.177,"end":3125.703,"text":"賴清德可以提出史上最高的總預算案還是繼續哭窮甚至砍地方的錢說自己沒辦法做事但賴神是沒錯的賴清德可以身邊出現共諜但是總統有神功護體所以他刀槍不入賴神是對的"},{"start":3137.368,"end":3161.635,"text":"賴清德可以不滿意度創新高可是錯的是民調錯的是民意誰不愛總統誰就是中共同路人所以賴神還是對的最後我想要為我上禮拜說賴清德一整年都沒做事道歉因為他是賴神他沒做正事也沒關係請全國的人民一定要體諒"},{"start":3163.215,"end":3168.738,"text":"國家在退步整個社會在分裂國人在受苦千錯萬錯絕對不是賴主席的錯謝謝大家"},{"start":5378.705,"end":5393.71,"text":"來 現在我們報告院會 我們繼續開會 請祕書長報告出席人數報告院會出席委員92人 已足法定人數我們現在開會進行報告事項 請祕書長宣讀第三會期 第十二次會議意思錄"},{"start":5399.474,"end":5407.542,"text":"宣讀立法院第十一屆第三會議第十二次會議事務時間中華民國114年5月16日上午9時至9時20分10時至12時20分下午2時30分至5時11分5月20日上午9時13分至12時13分下午2時30分至6時20分地點本院議場出席委員張委員齊凱等113年出席院長"},{"start":5423.134,"end":5429.432,"text":"主席、院長、韓國瑜、副院長、江啟臣報告事項第一案宣讀本院第十一屆第三會期第十一次會議議事錄決定確定"},{"start":5431.633,"end":5454.579,"text":"第二至三十五、三十七至四十二、四十四至四十七、四十九至五十五、五十七至六十三、六十五、六十六、六十八至五百七十八案均決定交互相關委員會審查、處理或交互相關委員會第三十六、四十三、四十八、五十六、六十四案均決定經貿獨與相關提案、並案協商第六十七案決定同意策違"},{"start":5455.479,"end":5484.571,"text":"第579、580案為社會福利及衛生環境委員會所提出報告案執行事項假行政院答案部分一件以緬孽委員執行部分一件討論事項第一案決議交互黨團協商第二至四案均決議通過第五案決議定定其處理其他事項一、114年5月15日朝野黨團協商結論共奧見二、國民黨黨團提議變更議程八案均予以通過宣讀完畢"},{"start":5485.302,"end":5509.765,"text":"報告委員會針對第三會期第十二次會議議事錄並沒有委員或黨團提出遺漏或錯誤之處我們現在做以下決定第三會期第十二次會議議事錄確定報告委員會現在在議場二樓旁聽的來自新竹市我們竹光國中未來的主人翁同學們歡迎你們我們現在請宣讀第二案"},{"start":5510.489,"end":5512.253,"text":"全院會議無異通過下議案"},{"start":5520.919,"end":5543.206,"text":"第三案 北部委員林黛嬅等19人離聚 地方民意代表費用之極及村里長事務補助條例第七 事務補助費補助條例第七條之一條務修正草案 陳書永會監交內政委員會審查 宣言完畢第四案 北部委員邱盈儀等20人離聚 人工智慧基本法草案 陳書永會監交教育及文化交通兩務委員會審查 宣言完畢"},{"start":5544.306,"end":5563.112,"text":"第五案 本院委員蔡易宇等學習人離去外國專業人才延攬及僱傭法修正草案財修委員會建交經濟社會福利及物質環境教育及文化三務委員會審查 宣言為通過效應第六案 本院委員楊瓊英等二學生離去住宅法第四條條務修正草案財修委員會建交內政委員會審查 宣言為通過效應"},{"start":5564.272,"end":5580.835,"text":"第七案 本院委員楊重英的二十四人女聚衛生福利部警病管制署組織法第二條條文修正常案柴旭委員會監教司法及法治社會福利系務成本環境兩委員會審查 宣言完畢第八案 本院委員楊重英的二十七人女聚就業服務法第二十四條條文修正常案"},{"start":5581.495,"end":5609.7,"text":"陳書岩會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 確定完畢第九案 本院委員楊松英等二十七人凝聚就業服務法第五十二條條文修正常案陳書岩會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 確定完畢第十案 本院委員魯明哲等十七人凝聚運動財權發行條例第二條條文修正常案陳書岩會監教教育及文化財政兩委員會審查 確定完畢第十一案 本院委員魯明哲等十八人凝聚學校衛生法第十六條條文修正常案"},{"start":5610.06,"end":5611.141,"text":"第十三案第十三案第十三案"},{"start":5632.964,"end":5635.745,"text":"第十四案第十五案第十六案第十六案"},{"start":5661.897,"end":5664.318,"text":"第十七案第十八案未通過下一案"},{"start":5684.304,"end":5707.846,"text":"第十九案 北部友誼業員職等隨幫人離去 軍人待遇條例第五條條文修正草案 強修委員會兼江湖交警國防司法啟發制 聯務委員會審查 宣言完畢報告事項第十九案現有國民黨黨團體禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商請問院會有無異議沒有異議本案禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商 下一項"},{"start":5708.345,"end":5725.143,"text":"第20案本院委員會議員職等18日連續中華民國新法第286條條文修正草案請修研會監教司法及法徵人員會審查宣讀完畢第21案本院委員會議員職等18日連續國產海洋科技營運中心設置料理草案請修研會監教司法及法徵人員會審查宣讀完畢"},{"start":5727.546,"end":5756.277,"text":"第二十二案 本委員員汪小玲的二十三人凝聚職業安全衛生法第35條第39條及第49條談判修正草案陳書仁會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣傳畢第二十三案 本委員員汪小玲的二十四人凝聚兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第16條談判修正草案陳書仁會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣傳畢第二十四案 本委員員離婚生的二十五人凝聚兒童托育服務法草案陳書仁會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查"},{"start":5757.177,"end":5760.46,"text":"第二十五案第二十六案第二十六案第二十五案第二十六案"},{"start":5777.182,"end":5798.137,"text":"報告議員會報告四項第26案現有國民黨黨團體禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商請問議員會有無異議沒有異議本案禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商下議案第二十七案北部委員廖偉祥同學六人離聚均然待遇條例第五條條維修宣查案強修議員會見教會交警國防司法司法局兩委員會審查訓練完畢"},{"start":5799.841,"end":5824.977,"text":"法院會報告事項第二十七案現有國民黨黨團提議禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商請院會有異議面議本案禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商下一項第二十八案本院委員廖偉祥則是六人離去軍人待遇條例第六條條文修正常案詳修委員會兼教官交給國防司法司法局兩委員會審查宣讀為畢"},{"start":5826.089,"end":5851.061,"text":"抱怨會報告事項第28案現由國民黨團體本案禁覆二讀與相關提案並案協商請議員會有異議本案禁覆二讀與相關提案並案協商下議案第29案本議員梁偉祥的16人一句外國專業人才野蘭及公用法第14條條修正草案請議員會監教經濟社會福利及衛生環境教育及文化生物委員會審查宣傳完畢抱怨會"},{"start":5852.625,"end":5863.628,"text":"包括事項第29案現有國民黨團體禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商請院會有異議願意本案禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商下議案"},{"start":5864.107,"end":5865.769,"text":"第三十一案衛通過下一案衛通過下一案"},{"start":5884.065,"end":5884.546,"text":"衛通過下言衛通過下言"},{"start":5903.965,"end":5922.709,"text":"第34案 北域委員廖偉昌的16人被廢止 行政院農業委員會農業金融局組織條例陳書岩會監教司法及法治經濟 兩委員會審查 宣言完畢委員通過 下議案第35案 北域委員邱振俊的23人凝聚 青年基本保藏案陳書岩會監教救濟 文化委員會審查 宣言完畢委員通過 下議案"},{"start":5923.109,"end":5950.921,"text":"第36案 本院委員邱振均的24人凝聚社會救助法第5條12條維修正常案財修委員會建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢無疑通過 下一案第37案 本院委員邱振均的25人凝聚長期照顧保險防藏案財修委員會建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢無疑通過 下一案第38案 本院委員鄭振賢的29人凝聚動物保護法第32條條維修正常案財修委員會建交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢無疑通過 下一"},{"start":5951.221,"end":5972.431,"text":"第39案 本院委員陣陣顯得有10人離聚 環境基本法第53條條文修正常案 財修委員會監交社會福利及物資環境委員會審查 宣言完畢第40案 本院委員陣陣顯得有10人離聚 氣候邊界因應法第2條第5條及第8條條文修正常案 財修委員會監交社會福利及物資環境經濟財政內政交通交通及文化利務委員會審查宣言完畢"},{"start":5973.792,"end":5975.493,"text":"無疑通過下議案無疑通過下議案無疑通過下議案"},{"start":6000.672,"end":6004.214,"text":"無意通過報怨會現在在一場二樓旁聽來自新竹縣瓊林鄉婦女會的所有的好朋友們我們掌聲歡迎"},{"start":6021.001,"end":6043.312,"text":"好 謝謝好 請坐好 謝謝我們下議案第四十五案本院委員李昆澤的水清人鄰居中華民國新法第八水療療學生草案採取委員會監教司法及法治委員會審查宣布完畢無疑通過 下議案第四十六案本院委員陳美玉的水清人鄰居兒童托育服務法草案採取委員會監教社會福利及物資環境委員會審查宣布完畢無疑通過 下議案"},{"start":6043.672,"end":6044.272,"text":"無異通過 下議案無異通過 下議案"},{"start":6061.539,"end":6087.208,"text":"第49案 北域原料現象的16人凝聚 公共法第32條條文修正常案 財修委員會建交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢第50案 北域原料現象的17人凝聚 中華民國刑法第185條之3及第185條之4條文修正常案 財修委員會建交司法及法治委員會審查 宣讀完畢第51案 北域原料現象的17人凝聚 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宣言完畢"},{"start":6162.466,"end":6182.761,"text":"第五十八案本院委员罗廷伟等十六案的理据为明年经法第五十四条之一条维修审查案财修委员会间交社会福利及卫生环境委员会审查宣传完毕第五十九案本院委员林思明等十八案的理据证券投资人及期货交人保护法第十条之一及第二十条条维修审查案财修委员会间交财政委员会审查宣传完毕"},{"start":6183.522,"end":6203.884,"text":"第六十案本院委員林思明的十八案凝聚家族刑及非家族行業稅罰第四十二條之一及第四十八條條文修正常案財政委員會監交財政委員會審查宣布完畢委員通過下一案第六十一案本院委員李燕秀的十六案凝聚使用牌照稅罰第五條條文修正常案財政委員會監交財政委員會審查宣布完畢委員通過下一案"},{"start":6204.184,"end":6206.825,"text":"第六十二案第六十三案第六十四案第六十四案第六十四案"},{"start":6233.8,"end":6248.406,"text":"第六十五案本院委員蘇欣璇的實現人力具使用牌照設法第五條的維修正常案結束委員會間交財政委員會審查宣告完畢第六十六案本院委員趙鴻祿的實現人力具動物保護法第25條及第25條之一的維修正常案"},{"start":6248.866,"end":6273.781,"text":"查出原會建交經濟委員會審查 宣言完畢第六十七案 本院委員張宏祿的二十一人離聚青年基本法草案查出原會建交救濟文化委員會審查 宣言完畢第六十八案 本院委員張宏祿的二十一人離聚學校衛生法第十六條條文修正草案查出原會建交救濟文化委員會審查 宣言完畢第六十九案 本院委員張宏祿的十八人離聚鐵路法第六十五條條文修正草案"},{"start":6274.121,"end":6282.987,"text":"第七十案 北域原障碼路的18人離去道路交通管理署法條例第21條條文修正常案第七十案 北域原障碼路的17人離去非經勿清理法第46條條文修正常案第七十案 北域原黃健豪等19人離去兵役法第3條條文修正常案"},{"start":6302.381,"end":6303.642,"text":"委員通過下一案委員通過下一案委員通過下一案"},{"start":6328.76,"end":6330.72,"text":"第七十五案第七十六案無以通過下言無以通過下言"},{"start":6350.425,"end":6368.326,"text":"第七十七案本議員柯志恩等16人離去中華民國刑法第339條及第339條之四條無修正常案陳秀燕會監教司法計劃證人會審查宣布完畢第七十八案本議員黃建斌等16人離去披雲地區學校教育發展條例第八條條無修正常案"},{"start":6368.766,"end":6369.506,"text":"委員通過下言委員通過下言委員通過下言"},{"start":6392.117,"end":6409.663,"text":"第八宣案本月元旺美会的19人离聚儿童同意服务法草案申请委员会建交社会福利机构审环境委会审查宣传完毕无疑通过下一案第八宣案本月元旺美会的18人离聚儿童同意服务法草案申请委员会建交社会福利机构审环境委会审查宣传完毕无疑通过下一案"},{"start":6410.003,"end":6417.85,"text":"第八十三案 本月有人五倍一等十八人凝聚 兒童通獄服務法草案 甲屬委員會間將社會福利集會上環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢"},{"start":6427.219,"end":6429.501,"text":"無疑通過下言無疑通過下言無疑通過下言"},{"start":6446.812,"end":6468.389,"text":"第八水汽案 本院委員張榮祿的三水人連續 詐欺犯罪違反稅條例第四十七條條文修正草案 全書院會監交內政委員會審查 宣訟完畢無疑通過下一案第八水疤案 本院委員僵硬的水汽人連續 天然氣試驗法則例第五十五條十三條文草案 全書院會監交經濟委員會審查 宣訟完畢無疑通過下一案"},{"start":6468.869,"end":6487.298,"text":"第八十九案 本月元秋營等17人聚 使用管理法增添第54條之一條文草案 求修行會監交 監禁委員會審查 宣布完畢第九十案 本月元秋營等17人聚 能源管理法增添第19條之二及第27條之一條文草案 求修行會監交 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擬請議員會將憲政院韓系選議獲稅條例第十一條之一條為修正草案委員陳俊宇的二選人凝聚獲稅條例第十一條之一條為修正草案案制裁將委會抽出金複二讀與相關提案並安閒商宣讀完畢請問議員會對本案有無異議"},{"start":9176.187,"end":9192.707,"text":"沒有意義本案照案通過報院會因為院會剛才通過台灣民眾黨團僅限列之提議與有關國民黨黨團提議變更議程第二案有關相同與該相同我們列入公報記錄"},{"start":9194.4,"end":9213.891,"text":"法院會變更議程已經處理完畢依照黨團共事今天院會處理至討論事項第二案完畢之後休息討論事項第二案定於今天下午五點進行表決我們現在開始處理討論事項第一案"},{"start":9215.24,"end":9231.319,"text":"現在進行討論事項第一案本院民進黨黨團針對第十一屆第三會及第十一次會議將台灣民眾黨黨團凝聚法院組織法部分條文修正草案及鄭天才等十九位委員提案凝聚"},{"start":9233.323,"end":9255.505,"text":"總統、副總統選舉罷免法第十三條條文修正草案自委員會抽出進覆二讀由黨團負責召集協商這決定提出復議請公決案本案經第三會期第十二次會議決議令定期處理我們現在進行處理"},{"start":9257.601,"end":9278.834,"text":"現在依照登記發言的順序本案沒有委員登記發言我們就不再發言求院會針對民進黨黨團所提復議案有無異議有異議我們要進行表決現在按鈴七分鐘請議場人員分發表決卡"},{"start":9711.394,"end":9730.904,"text":"好 請問各位委員是不是都有拿到表決卡都有拿到 好 我們要開始進行表決抱怨會現在針對民進黨黨團所提復議案我們要進行表決現在有民進黨黨團要求記名表決"},{"start":9733.616,"end":9735.999,"text":"贊成民進黨黨團所提復議案請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":9816.327,"end":9831.653,"text":"報告表決結果在場委員107位贊成50位反對57位贊成者少數我們現在做以下決議 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而是拿地方政府開刀怎麼不是尊潔中央開支 而是奪走人民的福利我們看到內政部有錢來補助改路民 搞政治工程卻沒有錢支持教育 設服基礎建設有錢改路民 沒錢顧人民這是什麼政府 叫人民怎麼信任"},{"start":10626.503,"end":10647.354,"text":"中央政府這樣違法一砍,砍掉了地方在推動的公共政策,砍掉了孩子們的教育補助,砍掉了給長輩們的長照福利,砍掉了城市的道路改善,砍掉了農村的農水路建設,而中央卻在揮霍著歷年來最高的總預算。"},{"start":10650.816,"end":10662.852,"text":"中央政府已經習慣了過去八年優渥的特權竟然因為失去了絕對的控制就反過來懲罰人民刁難地方用預算手段報復選民讓民生成為人質"},{"start":10665.816,"end":10686.733,"text":"因此在這裡我要嚴正的呼籲行政院必須立即檢討補助款的邏輯編列 編列邏輯依法補齊所有縣市應得的一般性補助款中央與地方應該是攜手為民的施政夥伴人民是納稅者是國家的主人"},{"start":10687.153,"end":10706.001,"text":"不是中央政府用來開刀懲罰的對象尊重人民才能治理國家保障地方才是穩定台灣的根本謝謝謝謝張家俊委員的發言接下來我們請吳宗憲委員發言陳金威委員請準備"},{"start":10711.94,"end":10728.728,"text":"好 謝謝今天我站在這裡是要為宜蘭人還有全台灣被中央踐踏的地方政府說出一句話請政府依法行政這是最卑微的要求人民對政府最卑微的要求就是拜託政府依法行政"},{"start":10729.847,"end":10756.29,"text":"政府卻完全搞不清楚他到底要做什麼事情中央欠宜人25.5億這不是賴清德的賞賜這是依法應分得的錢所以一分錢都不能少現在這個不是黨派之爭也不是對於政策的不同解釋正是人民要站出來要對抗這個政府政府在違法政府在帶頭違法中央政府在帶頭違法"},{"start":10758.696,"end":10784.771,"text":"這個一般性補助款大家都懂這個是法定的預算啦不能說不給就不給那把宜蘭應該得到的25億5千萬一刀把它砍掉他莫名其妙的把它列為未分配數那講白了其實就是不給你錢啦這個完全沒有任何的法律依據那再加上短波的4.6億的統籌款項宜蘭一下子蒸發了30億耶"},{"start":10786.994,"end":10807.246,"text":"今天如果政府動不動就說我的款項我的中央的預算被立法院怎麼樣怎麼了然後就要砍給地方的錢那這樣子以後國家的立法院還要再監督嗎中華民國的立法院還要再監督政府嗎反正你監督之後你的任何"},{"start":10808.724,"end":10824.902,"text":"刪除 凍結他就去不給地方錢那這個監督還有任何意義嗎我們監督的是中央政府欸就中央政府把自己做不對的事情推給地方政府就我不給你錢了這個是什麼樣的政府啊什麼樣無良的政府啊"},{"start":10825.322,"end":10850.471,"text":"我們再看一下宜蘭的狀況 政府不敢告訴你的真相第一個 宜蘭的財務狀況早就吃緊它的負債 平均負債是第二名以22個縣市來說 它是第二名它的財政是非常的脆弱在這個狀況下 竟然中央還叫宜蘭自己去借錢請問一下 你要怎麼借 將來要怎麼還政府就一句話 你去借錢就對了"},{"start":10851.591,"end":10866.608,"text":"這個是道理嗎第二個這些錢是用在基礎的地方治理都是用在教育跟社福所以他跟中低收入戶跟身心障礙跟單親家庭的補助都有關聯性這是救命錢救急錢育兒的費用"},{"start":10868.63,"end":10893.8,"text":"那你既然這樣子把人家編好的東西你突然不給就不給還違法的不給這樣對得起國人嗎中央政府啊你不要集錢集權又肥中央瘦地方這是不對的你不要動不動的把全國人民地方政府全部拉進來搞你的大罷免啊你為了把罷免天才我你什麼傷天害理的事都幹得出來把錢還給伊蘭"},{"start":10897.005,"end":10898.586,"text":"主席各位委員大家好"},{"start":10913.53,"end":10936.367,"text":"民眾基層生活所需要的穩定這應該是沒有分顏色也不分藍綠白也不分黨派的本席非常遺憾看到行政院近日以總預算為由竟然帶頭違法刪減地方政府所應該要有的一般性補助款簡直是令人莫名其妙而且匪夷所思"},{"start":10937.749,"end":10963.028,"text":"國人們認為的是中央政府獲得了三讀後創史上最高金額的總預算經費會因此把給地方政府的一般性補助款也連帶的增加變多並且這也是應該的因為這樣才能讓地方更有錢用在造橋鋪路 守護兒少 社福 教育等等重要的事情"},{"start":10963.909,"end":10978.071,"text":"但是結果卻剛剛好相反行政院拿到了創史上最高金額的總預算經費後卻大砍給地方政府的一般補助款而且還真正少了四分之一的規模"},{"start":10979.193,"end":10997.16,"text":"光是讓我責任區的高雄市就少了快要52億這已經很明顯的違反了財政收支劃分法第30條第三項規定中央給予地方的一般性補助款不得低於前一年度數額這樣子的法律規範"},{"start":10998.34,"end":11024.313,"text":"更說不過去的是中央政府根本沒有在一般性補助款的科目被刪除也沒有被凍結今年編列給地方的一般性補助款在這邊本席幫忙算了一下共達2501億元我們國民黨黨團是全數支持因為一般性補助款本來就不屬於立法院可以刪減的項目"},{"start":11025.914,"end":11048.765,"text":"依法為地方應得的法定預算結果法定預算卻被行政院自刑檢列也創下了最難堪的歷史記錄嚴重的影響地方政府的救命錢最後在此本席呼籲行政院要立即收回錯誤的決策回到依法行政的正軌"},{"start":11049.585,"end":11076.038,"text":"我也支持地方政府必須趕快提起訴訟捍衛地方自治還有人民的權益中央如果持續的操作用預算來懲罰地方最後受害的絕對不只是地方政府而是全體的百姓謝謝大家好 謝謝陳金威委員的發言接下來我們請廖先祥委員請發言王紅薇委員請準備"},{"start":11090.742,"end":11118.403,"text":"好 謝謝民進黨這一年多來不斷指控在野黨毀憲亂政但實際上踐踏憲政目無法紀的正是民進黨自己首先民進黨最近行政院將補助地方性的一般性的補助款通篡了三成卓榮泰院長知道這違法嗎他當然知道所以他只敢在總諮詢結束之後才宣布這件事情"},{"start":11119.103,"end":11143.772,"text":"並且推了一個行政院的發言人出來說這完全合法他提出了兩個法律我們來看看這兩條法律在講什麼他說依照地方制度法第69條各上級政府為某地方均衡發展可以對財政較差的地方政府補助對財政較優的地方政府取得協助金條文開宗明義講的就是均衡城鄉發展"},{"start":11144.972,"end":11170.068,"text":"那現在行政院針對地方政府的通商叫做均衡城鄉發展我想請問一下卓榮泰院長你的中文跟邏輯是萬老師教的嗎再來一條財政收支化生法第30條他說上級政府有調整給予地方政府的一般性補助款當然我們剛剛有許多的同仁都有說了第30條的最後一項有說"},{"start":11172.573,"end":11192.659,"text":"我們補助給地方政府的一般性補助款金額不得少於修正實施前一年度預算編列數這什麼意思呢也就是我們現在行政院做的做法就像是一家公司他的獲利創新高他的預算創新高但是董事長跟我們的民眾說我們今年的獲利"},{"start":11193.779,"end":11212.07,"text":"比去年高但是比我的預期大概低了2%所以我要來砍你們員工的薪水我不只砍你們員工的薪水還把你們員工的薪水砍到比法定的薪水還低比最低薪資還低這就是行政院目前正在做的事情退換不說"},{"start":11213.629,"end":11241.29,"text":"我們行政院這次的做法說是立法院砍掉了預算但我們的立法院實際上針對2025年度的總預算並沒有針對一般性的補助去刪除我們只有請行政院自行調節600多億的預算其餘的都有科目指定刪除600多億的預算大概只佔行政院總預算3億的大概2%左右但行政院"},{"start":11241.87,"end":11267.208,"text":"卻用報復式的方式刪除了地方一般性補助30%我們請你調節2%你卻刪了地方30%的預算這在告訴人民什麼只要你敢監督民進黨民進黨政府就敢欺負人民給你看好 謝謝廖先祥委員發言接下來請王宏威委員發言黃國昌委員請準備"},{"start":11280.711,"end":11296.916,"text":"好主席還有各位同仁今天我們討論中央政府行政院違法刪除對地方的補助款這是破天荒以前沉水扁不敢"},{"start":11297.896,"end":11310.244,"text":"以前馬一九不敢以前蔡英文不敢但是今天賴清德瘋起來竟然直接的去砍了對地方的補助款"},{"start":11311.277,"end":11334.304,"text":"我們可以看到現場民進黨毫不令人意外的又在造謠他說這個是藍白自己刪除的可是問題是地方補助款是法定預算經過立法院審查通過還有經過總統府公告實施"},{"start":11335.924,"end":11349.993,"text":"請問一下總統府公告實施的預算是假新聞嗎如果你看到我們的預算書有關於整個統山的部分一共有12項"},{"start":11352.691,"end":11367.148,"text":"對不起11項預算書一共11項我想請問民進黨團你告訴我哪一條跟地方補助款有關哪一條跟地方補助款有關造謠又再造謠"},{"start":11369.09,"end":11383.381,"text":"這次三地方補助款搞得地方雞飛狗跳搞得地方還要舉債度日所有的責任百分之百就是賴清德就是卓龍泰就是民進黨"},{"start":11384.742,"end":11401.622,"text":"我們一直說窮不能窮教育苦不能苦孩子地方補助款事實上放了非常多的教育的預算育兒的今天長照甚至學校的營養午餐"},{"start":11403.984,"end":11422.219,"text":"請問賴清德請問卓榮泰你們何其殘忍為什麼直接刪除要窮教育要苦孩子呢我也要點名請問一下吳思瑤你贊成台北市的預算被刪除嗎你贊成台北市的教育預算被刪除嗎"},{"start":11423.38,"end":11439.188,"text":"我也要請問蘇巧慧你贊成新北市的預算被刪除嗎你贊成新北市的小型高層款被刪除嗎我也要請教想要選舉的林俊憲跟陳亭飛你們不要在老農經費部啦"},{"start":11441.349,"end":11464.814,"text":"包含被删除的预算还有浓水路还有很多的小型工程款请问一下民进党的委员你们被选民选出来而今天你们都杀手去砍你们自己选民的预算去砍教育的预算社福的预算你们对得起选民吗你们还好意思站在这边说你们在害怕被选民吗你们对不起选民你们还是应该跟我们一样"},{"start":11473.015,"end":11492.274,"text":"好 謝謝王宏威委員的發言接下來我們請黃國昌委員發言羅廷維委員請準備報告委員會現在一場二樓旁聽的來自我們林淑芬委員邀請的政治大學法律系的高材生祝福大家 我們掌聲歡迎請黃國昌委員請發言"},{"start":11509.858,"end":11518.845,"text":"二十五年中央政府總預算行政院編列了史上最高的三兆一千多億的預算"},{"start":11520.592,"end":11540.558,"text":"在預算審查的過程當中我們提出的提案要求中央政府必須要尊嚴人民的血汗錢不是這樣子亂花的因此我們在通案提案當中要求中央政府及其所屬機關"},{"start":11542.739,"end":11560.699,"text":"必須要針對自己的經費來加以刪減來加以調節而整個金額佔中央政府總預算事實上百分之二但是我們沒有辦法理解的是"},{"start":11562.133,"end":11588.94,"text":"我們的卓榮泰院長在行政院自己中央政府機關遭到立法院刪除了以後他做了什麼事情他做的事情是跟地方政府搶錢而搶錢的項目竟然是攸關到在法令上面地方政府的法定義務支出"},{"start":11590.814,"end":11618.569,"text":"最近這幾天已經有非常多的學者專家出來痛批卓榮泰回去看一看財政收支劃分法的規定回去看一看預算法的規定回去看一看行政院自己所頒布的針對直轄市及縣市政府補助款的辦法"},{"start":11619.929,"end":11646.671,"text":"不管是母法到行政院自己頒布的命令都清楚的講一件事情就是我們的行政院把自己背三的預算轉嫁到地方政府是徹徹底底的違法亂紀只是我們非常遺憾的看到的是"},{"start":11648.01,"end":11674.913,"text":"當民進黨政府面對自己過去不斷的浪費人民的納稅錢胡搞瞎搞欠人民的錢都還沒有吐出來的時候一方面貪婪的要更多的預算一方面在自己預算被刪除的時候找地方政府出氣找一般的民眾出氣"},{"start":11675.914,"end":11691.539,"text":"我們今天提出這個案子我希望附委審查的時候每一個參與審查的委員說清楚講明白 讚不讚成卓榮泰這樣違法亂紀胡搞瞎搞 謝謝謝謝黃國昌委員發言接下來我們請羅廷偉委員發言 李彥秀委員請準備"},{"start":11712.435,"end":11735.994,"text":"好 謝謝院長我想地方政府的一般性補助款大家都知道它是用於平衡地方政府的預算教育 社福 基礎建設這一次的補助款我們都希望他們在這一次行政院粗暴地砍掉了地方政府高達25%一般性的補助款不只是違法 還耍流氓"},{"start":11736.815,"end":11752.865,"text":"我們看到520總統在演說的過程希望團結這個國家在野的勢力大家坐下來談但是一方面我們又看到現階段行政院竟然做出了違法亂紀"},{"start":11754.326,"end":11779.098,"text":"台灣是法治國家請問行政院這樣子做有法源依據嗎依據財政劃分收支法第30條規定中央政府規定給予政府的相關一般性補助款金額不低於前一年的一個預算數聽清楚是不得一般性補助款金額"},{"start":11779.978,"end":11801.132,"text":"不得低於前一年的預算數這是法定預算大家都知道行政院不能任意的刪減中央不應該拿地方開刀中央不該對地方政府以及各縣市市民所進行的秋後算帳"},{"start":11802.493,"end":11820.883,"text":"這些經費攸關於民眾的日常生活各地方政府所面臨的社會福利縮水長者與弱勢群體的失去應有的照顧公共建設維護的停擺影響到地方政府的正常運作"},{"start":11822.083,"end":11849.086,"text":"城鄉差距只會越拉越大無疑是全台國人權益的代價換取政治操作的一個空間我們還是要呼籲現在的政府應該苦民所苦我們明明就已經有這個財政收支劃分法清清楚楚地寫在那邊第三十條的規定而如今卻釋法於無誤"},{"start":11849.967,"end":11876.294,"text":"所以要再次拜託大家我們這一次一起來支持復回審查的時候共同的來表態並且要求行政院卓榮泰應該要把這項政策來退回我們要共同守護各縣市的地方性補助款共同為國人來努力上謝謝羅廷維委員發言接下來我們請李燕秀委員發言 麥玉珍委員請準備"},{"start":11886.59,"end":11903.743,"text":"行政院對全國各地方政府的衣補助款捅刪25%這不僅是嚴重的違反預算法才化法更是完全的政治惡意這就是拿人民的權利當出氣筒把對人民的照顧"},{"start":11904.924,"end":11929.121,"text":"當成做成政治鬥爭的工具才化法的第30條規定非常清楚我們的中央政府給予地方政府的一般補助款不得低於前一年的預算數這樣的做法這一次的統三不僅是傷害地方政府跟市民更是明顯的違法中央行政院是知法違法更何況"},{"start":11929.941,"end":11947.777,"text":"這一次我們刪減的在總預算當中我們刪的科目主要是業務費跟媒體宣傳費完全沒有刪減地方的任何一筆補助款114年度中央政府總預算對地方政府的補助總共是2500億我再次強調一塊錢也沒刪這是立法院通過的法定預算也是經過總統府"},{"start":11954.923,"end":11981.011,"text":"公告施行行政院這樣的做法是張冠李戴指鹿為馬更是極度的惡意我要再次強調我們三檢預算在立法院審查的過程當中我們是幫中央政府審支出是替人民勘緊荷包更何況去年通過的預算是兩兆九千兩百四十八億元這是創下中華民國有史以來預算數的新高"},{"start":11981.611,"end":12009.571,"text":"更比前年多增加了730億元現在居然拿人民的錢來開刀請問民進黨的良心到底在哪裡民進黨有錢改路民沒錢照顧人民這就是最大的政治的詐騙集團這也是最大的政治鬥爭的工具把人民當作政治鬥爭的工具我要再一次的請問執政黨的民進黨請問鍾文泰院長你們心中還有民主嗎"},{"start":12010.191,"end":12024.58,"text":"你們心中到底有沒有法治你們心中到底有沒有人民因為地方補助款無論是造橋鋪路補助婦幼或者身障或者是兒少每一筆都是地方真正紮紮實實的救命錢"},{"start":12026.761,"end":12052.839,"text":"我們堅決反對行政院統三25%的統籌補助款我們也支持地方政府捍衛民眾的基本權益對於行政院帶頭違法亂紀賴清德總統 總統太院長要負起百分之百完全的行政責任 以上謝謝李燕秀委員的發言接下來我們請麥玉珍委員發言林國成委員請準備"},{"start":12062.128,"end":12082.96,"text":"院長各位親愛的家人大家早安立法院明明通過的預算是要行政院自我檢討從中央機關的預算中刪減了636億是要中央減少威煌控制腐爛的"},{"start":12085.154,"end":12111.277,"text":"知识但赖清德政府与行政院长卓龙泰居然胆大万为倒行逆施公然把伸手向地方政府的口袋把本来要给各县市政府的一般性补助通通抠下这是什么这是偷拐抢骗这是对立法院节育的直入"},{"start":12113.618,"end":12128.571,"text":"維碼這是對地方的政府的肆意打壓這是對人民赤裸裸的背叛賴政府還有我們卓院長你們高高在上比在辦公室的催淪期很爽快"},{"start":12129.231,"end":12144.259,"text":"出一基礎就幾十萬就沒了你們知不知道這幾十億在台中南投彰化雲林是多少建設是多少人民的希望你們憑什麼為了政治鬥爭"},{"start":12145.72,"end":12173.14,"text":"就剝奪地方生存的基本資源憑什麼把國家的財政變成你們手中的保護工具是誰給你們這種權利還是你們早就忘了人民才是這個國家的主人你們的做法簡直是歷代地方羞辱民主踐踏立院玩弄制度難道"},{"start":12173.98,"end":12197.514,"text":"是讓小孩子無教室上課讓長者無人照顧讓鄉親無水電可用嗎這就是你們賴政府溫暖堅韌的執政風格嗎根本就是冷血霸道無恥今天我們民眾黨黨團在這裡鄭重呼應全院支持主決議"},{"start":12198.434,"end":12216.335,"text":"要求行政院立即停止違法貫權足而撥付所有地方應得的補助款我們不容許再次一分錢再有一秒鐘的延遲我們也要讓全國的人民知道"},{"start":12218.209,"end":12237.984,"text":"誰才是後國殃民的真鬆這場戰爭台灣民眾黨為了地方為了人民一定捍衛到底台灣加油新政府加油謝謝大家好謝謝麥玉珍委員發言接下來我們請林國成委員發言莊麒凱委員請準備"},{"start":12249.005,"end":12273.443,"text":"好拜託各位委員請尊重發言委員的權益拜託大家好林國聰委員請各位前國的同胞各位我們本縣的同仁民進黨在執政陳水扁不敢蔡英文不敢現在的賴政府說敢就敢"},{"start":12274.951,"end":12297.089,"text":"這不是獨裁霸道自我 唯我獨尊那什麼叫做唯我獨尊所以我覺得我們所有的預算總共刪了6點多那我就感覺到很奇怪你為什麼賴政府要刪地方政府的25%"},{"start":12299.414,"end":12327.292,"text":"如果你不滿刪掉六點多你可以凍結六點多那為什麼要凍結百分之二十五這代表什麼這代表就是霸道所以用綁架人民的心態綁架地方政府這個叫做標準的中央集權又集錢所以這叫做賴政府"},{"start":12328.885,"end":12336.82,"text":"那我是覺得兩兆多歷年來最高的預算為什麼要砍地方的預算"},{"start":12338.188,"end":12365.978,"text":"但不是一切都是為了大罷免嗎所以我認為請問賴總統良心何在心中還有人民嗎中央花錢地方執行地方花錢中央執行這不是都為台灣人民嗎所以我還有一點很不諒解用公款作為政治的籌碼"},{"start":12367.911,"end":12392.492,"text":"綁架全民綁架地方政府真正讓民主是蒙羞啊所以我還要特別呼籲啊呼籲我們地方政府依照你地方自治法的有關法規大家團結起來對抗極權又極權的中央政府"},{"start":12393.208,"end":12409.076,"text":"所以用一種方式地方包圍中央這是過去民進黨所主張的啊中央集權我們就用地方包圍中央的政策所以我還是要呼籲我們地方政府"},{"start":12409.736,"end":12426.571,"text":"你們所做的事情也是為人民那中央政府他所做的事情不是為了人民那當然我們就要團結一致來對抗極權的現在的執政黨所以我要再度呼籲"},{"start":12427.816,"end":12455.165,"text":"我們現在的執政黨現在的賴政府卓院長心中要有人民執政才會長久在這裡我要呼籲所有地方政府的縣市長團結起來大家加油好 謝謝林國成委員的發言報告委員會接下來我們是在中午午休之前最後一位發言的張祺凱委員發言之後我們要進行休息到下午兩點半現在請張祺凱委員請發言"},{"start":12466.125,"end":12492.348,"text":"賴清德總統 卓榮泰院長民進黨 行政院你們心裡還有人民嗎你們為什麼要這樣傷害為什麼要這樣懲罰我們台灣人民呢這次行政院砍的是傷害了我們台灣的民主法治"},{"start":12493.243,"end":12517.523,"text":"而且傷害的是我們所有的縣市政府還有我們每一位民眾關係最密切的他們砍的是社會福利的預算教育的預算各個縣市要做的基礎建設的這個預算行政院跟民進黨你怎麼砍得下手啦"},{"start":12519.895,"end":12548.725,"text":"而且一砍就是27.3%這是立法院三減民進黨的行政院中央政府總預算扣掉台電之外只有3%減3%喔結果民進黨砍我們人民砍各縣市政府一出手就大砍27.3砍掉四分之一以上民進黨無法無天喪盡天良"},{"start":12550.322,"end":12573.623,"text":"根本不把我們人民放在心上這真的是一個土匪政府我給大家看一下這是立法院的公文書當初我們在審預算案的時候清清楚楚講我們要統三的項目是什麼中央機關跟所屬"},{"start":12575.131,"end":12596.606,"text":"民進黨張開眼睛你們哪一隻眼睛看到上面有地方政府你們為什麼違法亂紀為什麼去砍地方的補助款明明我們要你去調整的636億就是上面中央各機關跟所屬"},{"start":12599.022,"end":12628.072,"text":"你們怎麼可以這樣違法亂砍啊而且地方的補助款早在去年的八月份就已經通過了跟各個地方縣市政府講人家編為稅入經過各個縣市的議會通過的耶是法定的預算耶依照預算法 財政說是發明法這筆錢本來就是要給地方的你們怎麼可以目無法紀違法亂證到這樣子呢更讓人家生氣了"},{"start":12630.014,"end":12649.741,"text":"今年的中央政府今年的行政院是中華民國有史以來最富有的將近三兆的預算結果你怎麼忍心去砍地方政府砍我們人民啊而且沒比都是人民最切身的請大家注意我們現在看等一下上來的民眾有沒有支持我們地方的建設"},{"start":12661.442,"end":12670.031,"text":"好謝謝張祺凱委員的發言我們上午的會議進行到此為止下午兩點三十分繼續開會進行後續大體討論之委員發言現在休息"},{"start":21163.874,"end":21165.425,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":21578.899,"end":21582.205,"text":"現在我們繼續開會進行到討論事項第二案後續我們繼續進行大體討論之發言接下來我們請翁曉琳委員發言謝榮介委員請準備"},{"start":21611.209,"end":21628.6,"text":"主席各位委員還有全國的各個朋友大家好實話說人心不足蛇吞象今年賴政府擁有中華民國有史以來最高的施政預算將近三兆的規模但是呢賴政府還是不滿足"},{"start":21629.42,"end":21653.081,"text":"要将行政院及各部会应该自行吸收节省支出的636亿元全数都转嫁给地方的县市政府删除对地方政府的一般性补助款的25%让地方政府在无预期的情况之下呢就少了四分之一的经费可用平均每个县市少了二三十亿的钱"},{"start":21654.543,"end":21670.3,"text":"這筆錢是許多縣市政府的救命錢與地方社福教育補助基礎建設有關卓榮泰的行政院是錢多到流油那麼卻狠心的刪除給地方政府的活命錢"},{"start":21671.101,"end":21684.534,"text":"由此可見賴政府的自私自利不以民為孽不苦民所苦寧可地方老百姓窮死也不願拿出那一點點錢來幫助地方老百姓實在是傷天害理得不配位"},{"start":21685.871,"end":21707.271,"text":"在此我要譴責賴清德卓榮泰的事你們違憲亂政不依法行政的無恥行為毫無下限今天行政院對地方政府的一般性的補助款是依照地方制度法和財政收支劃分法的規定中央政府本來就應該給予地方政府補助這是屬於法定的義務支出不是你們愛給不給的施捨錢"},{"start":21709.912,"end":21739.271,"text":"本席呢在这里有一份文件这个是113年8月30号就是去年的时候行政院发文含请立法院审议114年度中央政府总预算时当时所附具的第五项附件也就是114年度中央政府总预算案编列依法律义务支出的明细表一份在这份明细表的第九项里面清楚的写出对地方政府的补助款"},{"start":21739.631,"end":21767.412,"text":"总金额就是2501亿元而这笔一般性的补助款就是法律的义务支出那么并且这是已经经过立法院三读审议通过的预算依照大法官释字319还有520号的解释这个叫做措施性法律通过了就要执行没有说依法是不能够拒绝执行的"},{"start":21768.7,"end":21794.691,"text":"我再說一次這份明細表是去年就已經隨著總預算書送來立法院審議當時就已經有這個支出明細表所以說行政院長是早就知道這個一般性補助是法律義務支出所以說卓榮泰院長陳淑芝這個主席長你們為了大罷免為了政治鬥爭不擇手段寧可搞垮搞臭這個在野黨也不顧人民死活根本就是大造謠混淆視聽那麼全國"},{"start":21817.001,"end":21817.021,"text":"好 謝謝"},{"start":21819.892,"end":21840.008,"text":"好 謝謝翁曉琳委員的發言接下來謝龍介委員發言黃建斌委員請準備報告院會現在在我們議場二樓旁聽的是來自於民傳大學公共事務與行政管理學院碩士班的同學們我們掌聲歡迎各位同學 歡迎你們好 謝龍介委員請發言"},{"start":21854.775,"end":21856.196,"text":"全國的好朋友 大家好合青是AI的內閣 現在變成AI的內閣夏青天 總統做行政議長時一條高情約 地方的武神統統到位蘇貞昌做行政議長時 兩條四情約 地方的武神統統到位"},{"start":21886.326,"end":21910.096,"text":"這個飯湯師傅到營台做行政議長 勉強當一黨我們讓他兩條高清高霸業的武神 地方的寶座通通砍掉不會再失準陷阱的 把台灣點到市民全會所有的情書都放在道中"},{"start":21911.577,"end":21934.434,"text":"為了發動大把握 到底是做一個高潮軍師 給你出這個奧賽步全國家的六四朋友 終極修立好 三中六四 老人寶座只要你們人口的寶座 企業的寶座 拿不掉 隆重是行政移動 獨端獨行"},{"start":21939.11,"end":21956.088,"text":"真可惜,民隊的國際挑戰沒辦法,民隊的來得有得來得有嗎?這個內閣已經完全失靈,只有用道精來轉移焦點,轉移焦點不能改變你無靈的宿舍,"},{"start":21958.991,"end":21970.335,"text":"今天所有在地方的官司都沒分洞牌,二十里官司,這五層都通過了議會都審查過,一分鐘結果你現在把第二十七打起來,你是在想什麼,我也想都沒有"},{"start":21975.933,"end":21989.624,"text":"對於你如果做到這麼不情願本來我理會夠了就是你要落台的時候你若不是財經的轉動面對著美國關稅的挑戰你應該主動清洗 抵收進退讓新疆總統有更大的贏人的空間不然實地定點 太過存活的每天等著後勤不曬白沒有這個後曬白沒辦法"},{"start":22004.471,"end":22026.15,"text":"所以 我在這裡心中 還可以把這個黑黑的內閣 放在口中 低收進退應該是到你離開的時候 酒店關門 你就不能再流亂不能再有辣青帝總統 每一次你費錢心酥 來去替你切卡秤我怎麼切都不會理啦"},{"start":22027.301,"end":22033.128,"text":"塞一鍋好好補出來照顧全台灣的百姓這才是一個優惠的行政理論"},{"start":22057.898,"end":22071.035,"text":"院長 各位立委同仁現場的媒體及的朋友以及所有台黨的鄉親大家好行政院只憑一張公文在沒有告知地方政府的情況下直接砍掉各縣市27.32%的一般性補助款"},{"start":22073.658,"end":22098.497,"text":"以台東而言,原本今年可以獲得84.45億元卻一口氣被刪掉了22.68億元中央政府砍掉的這些預算,幾乎佔了台東縣總預算的十分之一根本是欺負台東人對於民進黨政府不斷地公開說謊的情況,說是立法院砍預算行政院才是刪減地方預算"},{"start":22099.594,"end":22122.246,"text":"中央政府已砍掉的這每一分錢都是攸關台東的交通、教育、社福、長照、醫療及公共安全這些都是台東人最重要的需求如今為了政治操作雖然拿最基層、最弱勢的民眾開刀完全不把台東人放在眼裡在這邊我要公開的告訴鄉親民進黨政府不斷地公開造謠說立法院砍預算"},{"start":22123.611,"end":22140.76,"text":"說行政院沒有錢所以刪地方補助款這是天大的謊言真正的事實是第一中央政府總預算高達將近三兆現在的中央政府是史上最有錢的政府其中一般性補助款僅有2500億元立法院一分一毫都沒有刪除"},{"start":22141.647,"end":22163.084,"text":"第二,一般性補助款是地方政府依法應得的法定預算根據財劃法第三十條規定中央政府給地方政府一般補助款的金額不得少於修正實行前一年度預算編列數因此行政院沒有權力自行刪減對地方政府的一般性補助款強行刪減就是違法,就是濫權"},{"start":22164.332,"end":22180.752,"text":"在這裡我要告訴中央政府不要再欺負我們台東人台東含了幾十年的花東塊中央政府說經濟效益不高所以到現在還沒通過可行性評估對於0403強鎮後東部鐵路設施安全的改善計畫一年多了還卡在中央"},{"start":22181.926,"end":22194.994,"text":"這些事情都是攸關台中人的生命安全中央政府卻毫不在乎如今台中鄉親的補助竟然說砍就砍本宵在這裡要跟中央講一句話我們台中人並沒有開放這個國家到底要求台中人到什麼時候"},{"start":22196.534,"end":22222.004,"text":"為什麼在野黨要推動《財化法》的修法卻讓台東每年多134億元的法定預算讓台東人更有錢可以做台東人自己的建設給台東鄉親更公平的福利跟權益《財化法》的修法也是民進黨在野時期的主張中央不能極權又極淺我黃建斌在立法院絕對會強力的監督懷疑人家受於台東人已經拖得來為台東人拖一口氣 將出公平的觀念 謝謝"},{"start":22225.197,"end":22230.304,"text":"好 謝謝黃建斌委員發言接下來我們請賴世保委員發言吳思瑤委員請準備"},{"start":22257.773,"end":22270.008,"text":"謝謝主席韓院長各位先進那麼我們看到這一次我們的卓院長到底的違法苛刻地方補助款"},{"start":22271.055,"end":22295.776,"text":"我們看到520賴清德總統就職一週年的時候大家覺得說有一點不一樣好像身段比較軟他願意對在野黨釋出善意結果不到一兩天的時間才發現都是假的馬上真面目就出來了一個凶殺二審卓榮泰跑出來了"},{"start":22298.869,"end":22327.276,"text":"這個才是真正的面目啊前面是假的啦所以要向在野黨的主席報告國安要簡報國安 那是假的今天在這今天是什麼這裡面有一個很重要的東西有些人不見得有談到那就是左院長要對於裁劃法要進行釋憲進行釋憲就是說他不接受他要釋憲"},{"start":22329.721,"end":22346.729,"text":"他要釋憲所以呢我們這裡面採訪完的30條第三項講得很清楚地方補助款不可以比去年少這一條他就等於沒收啦所以他今天卓榮泰出兩招"},{"start":22347.867,"end":22371.369,"text":"左手他就是視線 右手砍你的部分 地方補助款結果就兇又兇啦我們現在才了解原來說以為最會溝通的一個行政院長左榮泰原來才是 原來這個才是他的真面目兇又兇 兇又沒天良"},{"start":22373.7,"end":22399.797,"text":"因為大家都看得很清楚嘛這個癌癌到嗷嗷待哺以台北市為例台北市這一砍下來27%砍下來我們的兒少婦女老人身障攝護被砍了60%教育被砍了62%人行道的改善帶路的改善北市科用地方面被砍了總共砍了34%"},{"start":22401.698,"end":22416.369,"text":"各位別忘了 北思科 北思科是什麼啊黃仁勳要設國際的研發總部在台灣 在北思科如果因為這個被砍了 使得這個工程連蕩了"},{"start":22418.598,"end":22439.848,"text":"左龍泰會變成台灣人民的公敵台灣人民對這個黃仁勳的AI的總部多麼的歡迎多麼的期待他來這裡帶動台灣的AI我們希望左龍泰懸崖勒馬放給台灣人民一條生路吧謝謝"},{"start":22443.38,"end":22446.65,"text":"謝謝賴思寶委員的發言接下來我們請吳思瑤委員發言陳秀寶委員請準備"},{"start":22456.611,"end":22480.764,"text":"主席各位同仁冤有頭債有主立法院自己在違憲現在反來說依法行政的行政院在違法我們現在所審查的是民眾黨提出來的決議案就是藍白想要洗白自己二彈總預算的罪行想要甩鍋賴給清德問題是來得及嗎回得去嗎"},{"start":22481.744,"end":22493.48,"text":"早知如此何必當初當初如果沒有二砍總預算種下惡因就不會有今天的苦果而且如果當初支持總預算的復議案就可以撥亂反正現在"},{"start":22496.594,"end":22525.057,"text":"總預算二月份就三讀通過但是已經五月底了立法院要用一個決議案來推翻自己的總預算審查自己推翻自己藍白打臉藍白程序上毫不正當決議案的效力並沒有辦法來凌駕總預算的審查結果立法院再大也不能夠把審查總預算當做小孩玩遊戲說不算就不算說重來就重來"},{"start":22526.438,"end":22552.447,"text":"預算就是民生不要報復自己的國家不要懲罰自己的人民藍白的委員今天站上來說的每一句話都是在漂白自己的罪行而這每一句話民進黨的委員在審查總預算的時候我們都說過都提醒過都苦苦哀求過可是藍白當家的立法院不理會不屑一顧"},{"start":22553.487,"end":22577.903,"text":"还记得1月20号彻夜表决总预算通过的那一天蓝白的委员全场欢呼欢欣鼓舞觉得他们成功了确实成功山道让国人有感菩萨为因众生为果黄国昌说山预算一定让国人有感现在应验了地方首长要算账请找自家的立委"},{"start":22578.783,"end":22595.512,"text":"居然今天還在造謠看看我這邊的大字報行政院完全是依法執行尊重立法院三讀通過的總預算案自行調整6361是立法院的要求行政院沒有違法"},{"start":22596.272,"end":22616.217,"text":"而且预算权就是行政权中央依法有裁量权依据的是地方制度法69条跟裁划法30条而裁划法一直到新法是今年的3月才通过上路但是预算早在2月就公告了并没有办法适用今年的新的裁划法"},{"start":22616.937,"end":22645.678,"text":"而行政院保留了173億社福不受影響教育不受影響不是藍白造謠的在懲罰地方最後我要說自己在違憲現在來罵別人違法完全就只是要洗白自己的罪行民進黨沒有辦法接受謝謝吳思瑤委員的發言接下來我們請陳秀寶委員發言葛如君委員請準備"},{"start":22657.95,"end":22676.981,"text":"主席 各位同仁自從第十一屆立委任期開始藍白委員就一直在提出各種不合理的提案無視民意 忽視民眾需求每次都在院會表決前零十一再修正動議的方式沒有經過實質討論不負責任地以多數暴力強行通過犧牲全國人民權益的惡劣法案"},{"start":22684.965,"end":22712.37,"text":"這個提案就是藍白不負責任的最大體現提這個案子就能掩飾當初讓國人很有感的二砍預算的真相嗎114年總預算遭通三636億財化法三讀通過後也將從每個部會分走平均29%的預算到地方政府行政院少了如此龐大的預算勢必要調整本年度預算支出"},{"start":22713.07,"end":22721.193,"text":"在討論修正才化法的時候行政院已經一再說明目前每年對地方政府的補助已經從103年度的5486億元逐年成長到114年度的1兆151億元也就是說"},{"start":22731.718,"end":22747.768,"text":"114年總預算的約一半都是用在挹注地方政府的財源如今遭到藍白毫無理由的通商636億如何能夠不影響中央對地方的財政挹注更何況才化法修正一味的將"},{"start":22748.708,"end":22773.449,"text":"預算從中央挪到地方卻並沒有要求地方政府需要如何運用多取得的預算不用承擔任何責任逃避全民的監督行政院推動多種全國性的政策腦農津貼長照政策育兒津貼租屋補助學雜費減免等等在不影響原有福國利民的政策推動之下"},{"start":22774.009,"end":22793.337,"text":"還要自行調整通山636億的項目只能先調整對地方政府的補助款這也是當初藍白不負責任沒有道理的要求行政院通山的惡果藍白執政限制首長沒有理由指責行政院而是應該要檢討當初亂修法亂刪預算的藍白兩黨"},{"start":22797.439,"end":22818.067,"text":"藍白兩黨委員們當你們成功的刪減了中央政府的預算而洋洋得意以為刁難了行政體系事實上你們亂篩預算的結果是全民在承擔請問你們如何對得起每一張支持你們期待你們為國家為人民做事情的選票謝謝陳秀寶委員發言接下來是葛如君委員發言陳培宇委員請準備"},{"start":22828.103,"end":22839.943,"text":"報告委員會今天立法院越來越熱鬧我們一場二樓旁天遠從台中東海大學法律系的好多同學熱情歡迎大家我們掌聲歡迎好 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如果不夠的你自己去找你就去把他砍到了939億就對了我還記得當時黃國昌講得非常的 哇!在我頭前 我保證三道國人有感三這麼多那中央政府咧 為了要維持他的運作他要去砍這個900多億逼到說他得去動到了對地方政府的一般性補助款"},{"start":23492.145,"end":23502.784,"text":"哇!這件事發布的時候我身為嘉義縣我想我們嘉義縣民都非常的憤怒這叫做什麼?叫做"},{"start":23505.59,"end":23531.42,"text":"賣到太多明明我們是支持中央政府我們支持中央政府一定要有預算因為中央有錢他就讓我藝術地方讓地方來壯大一起搶起來說壯大台灣地方跟中央要一起搶結果咧 藍白就要弱化中央讓中央沒有錢那你既然就想要讓中央沒有錢中央怎麼會有這個氣力要來補助地方咧"},{"start":23535.649,"end":23553.29,"text":"這是一定的道理嘛大餅就這一塊我們這個大餅有中央一定要有的支出也有要補分要拿來幫助地方的你現在要讓中央沒有錢當然地方會變少這都想像的到那最可惡的"},{"start":23554.198,"end":23579.77,"text":"就是黃國昌他今天這個提案要幹嘛他這個提案就是為了要有流量他要做短影音他想要在等一下投票的時候如果我們民進黨跟他們不一樣他就可以做影音說你看我是支持地方政府有預算的是民進黨反對我跟大家說黃國昌你不要再騙人了你這個組決議沒有辦法改變現況"},{"start":23581.391,"end":23593.805,"text":"你要改變現況的話,我幫你寫了一個我幫你寫了,但是我看不到你到底我幫你寫了一個114年度中央政府總預算之637億白蘭懺悔特別條例"},{"start":23597.919,"end":23614.187,"text":"我們用這個特別條例你們白蘭懺悔的特別條例我們把這637億補足 這樣中央就有預算把這些錢給地方補助夠 頂到錢這樣說對不對好 謝謝蔡議員的發言接下來我們請陳樹業委員發言葉元之委員請準備"},{"start":23637.919,"end":23655.075,"text":"院長各位同仁今天從上午到現在看到藍白兩黨的立委在這邊講的口沫橫飛義正言辭實在令人聽不下去今天這樣的惡果到底是誰造成的不就是藍白立委在這邊惡搞的結果嗎"},{"start":23655.956,"end":23679.932,"text":"他們說自己只有刪減媒體宣傳費 國內外旅費 業務費等等沒有刪對地方縣市政府的一般性補助但事實上是如何呢在上一個會期 預算會期南白假借中央政府總預算的編列史上最高所以大砍特砍 這個是事實但這邊書也要補充"},{"start":23680.972,"end":23708.187,"text":"我们中央政府总预算的一个编列都是依照这个GDP的一个比例第一年来中央政府税入和税出占GDP的比例我们可以清楚的看到从马政府蔡政府到赖政府三个时期数字大多在11%上下没有明显的差异稍微不同的地方是在于马政府任内税出是大于税入的这个意思就是马政府的时候执政成绩不好"},{"start":23708.767,"end":23737.709,"text":"经济的表现不好当然他们要举债在蔡政府执政的状况下台湾的经济持续的成长税收增加之后政府当然可以为人民做更多的事情所以我们可以编略这样子的预算来让人民可以有更好的建设跟福利所以蓝白说穿了应该是不抗拒不让民进党有生计所以他们就是大侃特侃不要让民进党好做事"},{"start":23738.61,"end":23744.978,"text":"在這個中央政府的總預算114年度的總預算被藍白聯手大砍1439億元之後還要依據藍白的主決議"},{"start":23749.815,"end":23769.349,"text":"行政院還要自行調整刪減636億元在刪減的這個數字考量這個教育經費國防安全和各項重要基礎建設預算已經沒有調整的空間之下行政院只好來暫緩來撥付這25%的一般性補助款"},{"start":23769.989,"end":23794.43,"text":"等待柴化法的釋憲結果出爐之後再與調整事實上南白兩黨如果願意以全國人民的利益為重這樣的情況根本是可以避免的因為行政院主計總處去年8月30號就已經去函各縣市政府告知有關核定今年度中央對各縣市政府一般性補助款如今立法院審議結果有所刪減將依其審議結果配合調整"},{"start":23797.711,"end":23820.997,"text":"而今天行政院必須刪減對地方縣市政府一般性的補助款就是依據立法院的這個總預算審議的一個結果所以今天這樣子的苦果就是藍白聯手造成的所以我們要請藍白要確實一個反省不要再甩鍋給賴清德總統謝謝謝謝陳樹岳委員的發言"},{"start":23825.037,"end":23828.914,"text":"接下來我們請葉元之委員發言張雅琳委員請準備"},{"start":23839.551,"end":23854.262,"text":"主席各位同仁我們今天在這邊討論這個提案是因為行政院把一般性補助款全國各縣市都刪了25%以上地方財源不足所以我們才來討論這個案子但我非常遺憾的"},{"start":23855.687,"end":23876.961,"text":"剛剛吳思堯委員通篇發言都在為行政院護航完全沒有為地方講話甚至於早上他在接受媒體訪問的時候還說請蔣萬安去找王洪威跟徐巧芯叫侯友宜來找葉元芝我是不知道啦我們大家都是一票一票市民選出來為地方爭取預算"},{"start":23878.018,"end":23895.636,"text":"那這是天經地義的但吳思瑤都完全沒有為台北市民選出他的台北市民爭取預算反而是替賴清德講話替卓榮泰講話到底這個立法委員是人民選出來的還是行政院指定的真的是讓人家非常遺憾"},{"start":23897.253,"end":23923.773,"text":"那大家都知道因為中央掌握了所有的稅收所以地方長期裁員不足必須要靠統籌稅款計劃性補助款還有一般性補助款來支撐一般縣市的運作特別是一般性補助款因為它裡面的項目包括社福教育還有一些教師的人事支出甚至一些基本的建設特別重要"},{"start":23924.814,"end":23941.494,"text":"這裡面很多都是所謂中央指定地方的法定義務支出是中央要地方去做的結果現在這些錢被砍了那行政院的說法是什麼呢說是因為省預算的時候在野黨要求行政院通商636億"},{"start":23944.284,"end":23965.612,"text":"所以他們找不到其他的錢可以砍了只好把一般性補助款全部砍掉從一般性補助款裡面砍636億我必須要講一般性補助款總共行政院編的2501億在黑黨是一毛沒有三一毛沒有三現在去砍2501億裡面的636億這完全是行政院砍的"},{"start":23969.554,"end":23981.254,"text":"那行政院難道其他的錢都動不了只能去砍這一般性補助款嗎其他錢都動不了嗎我就問啦我們要求行政院把福邊爛邊不需要花的錢砍掉"},{"start":23983.11,"end":24006.591,"text":"內政部要求各縣市政府去改中正路的路名說地方政府你改中正路的路名我們就補助你但是像這些教育社福這些不好意思我沒錢所以改中正路的路名比社福教育跟教師的人事支出還要重要我們板橋中正路大概有接近一萬個門牌"},{"start":24009.008,"end":24033.83,"text":"改了中正路這間門牌要換身分證要換也是要錢我就問中正路板橋中正路所在的張宏祿委員請問你支持中央寧可給中正路改名的錢也不給地方社福好謝謝葉元之委員的發言接下來我們請張雅玲委員發言郭育晴委員請準備"},{"start":24042.875,"end":24067.732,"text":"聽了一整個早上的國民黨委員的發言我想先說個笑話啦國民黨依法行政國民黨從去年開始的國會擴權法案就被憲法法庭判多數違憲然後他們的限訴法也都被許多我們的民間的律師們呢 撻伐這是違憲的所以國民黨今天在講依法行政我想去年一整年在破壞整個體制的就是國民黨"},{"start":24068.553,"end":24084.101,"text":"再來第二個笑話就是國民黨說他們在替人民發聲為人民著想我想回顧過去今年1月的時候我們大家是如何的苦口婆心勸他們不要這樣子刪預算但是他們只顧著耍威風"},{"start":24084.961,"end":24106.09,"text":"我想大家依稀都記得陳玉珍跟張祺凱在立法院的議場門口兩個在比誰刪得多甚至黃國昌委員也一直嗆聲就說要刪到全民有感那他們刪了什麼呢例如像中研院他們被刪了三千兩百萬這個是影響的是我們的年輕學者他們沒有辦法出國去"},{"start":24106.59,"end":24128.561,"text":"建立人脈打開眼界為國家的下一個研究墊頂基礎再來他們大幅的刪除了我們的文化部跟外交部的許多的媒宣預算這會影響到文化部今年在萬博的一個宣傳同時呢他們也刪除了國科會的29億這也會影響到AI的算力的建置還有我們的勞動部的8000萬這裡面影響到是我們的產檢補產檢架的一個補貼的薪資以及"},{"start":24133.843,"end":24157.851,"text":"他們一直說今天這樣子的一個刪減案會影響到我們很多的人力但是勞動部當時就因為被這樣子大幅刪減我們有九個承讓人力就因此而離開而且有許多的民間團體去年就開始來依據政府的一些標案來投標來做一些補助案的申請也都因為被他們這樣大幅刪減而沒有了這些預算"},{"start":24158.914,"end":24177.085,"text":"所以呢國民黨怎麼會是苦民所苦呢尤其他們去年在提刪減預算的提案是多麼的瞎例如廖先祥因為中國沒有跟宏都拉斯買蝦所以就刪減了我們的外交部預算那又是再來廖先祥因為社宅買不到鹹酥雞就刪除了我們的社宅預算"},{"start":24178.166,"end":24203.082,"text":"我想如果國民黨真心有為人民我們其實有給他第二次的機會在二月底的一個復議案的時候他們就應該要來好好的懺悔但是他們並沒有我想他們一直不停的在講說為什麼要改中正路入名喔到一天到晚喊著要反戒嚴甚至朱立倫主席連納粹都出來講的這不就是國民黨嗎那把中正路改名不就是一個徹底的來去做轉型正義的工作嗎"},{"start":24203.962,"end":24231.278,"text":"所以呢這再再的說明國民黨現在呢中心沒有任何的思想他們心中也沒有人民他們所有的辯解都是非常的蒼白無力只有自私自利做錯事不知道如何檢討只會潑髒水但是人民沒有那麼好騙所以請大家不要被他們騙繼續跟他們問責大罷免大成功謝謝好謝謝張雅玲委員的發言接下來我們請郭育晴委員發言徐宇貞委員請準備"},{"start":24242.099,"end":24259.984,"text":"主席還有各位在電視機前面正在看直播的全國的民眾早上聽了一整天然後一直到現在我們聽到這個藍白很多的委員上來就嘰噗噗的大喊大叫我真的是覺得莫名其妙"},{"start":24261.144,"end":24282.603,"text":"行政院其實對於所謂的去年年底一直到今年的1月底所有的這個總預算被刪被砍被亂動動到自己也不知道到底刪除了哪一些還有才化法的復議案在3月12號的時候大家還記得嗎是誰否決的啊"},{"start":24283.504,"end":24299.122,"text":"很清楚嘛就是61票的反對把行政院要給我們有一個補考的機會說這個部分我們至愛難行我們已經給了機會結果還是被否決了所以現在還在這邊選擇性的失憶嗎"},{"start":24302.886,"end":24327.041,"text":"針對今年這個中央總預算被大刪我用一個最清楚的方式讓大家來瞭解第一立法院三讀通過預算的時候其實藍白一口氣刪了多少整整2076億創下了歷史有史以來的新高第二更離譜的是他們不負責任的把刪除預算的工作丟給行政院怎麼說呢"},{"start":24328.261,"end":24356.389,"text":"當中有636億是完全沒有具體的刪減的項目也沒有說要從哪裡砍就一句說行政院你自己想辦法啊這不是甩鍋什麼才是甩鍋第三政府的預算不是想砍就砍有很多是一把不能刪的耶包含法律義務支出一兆5620億這些人事費用教育補助社會保險以及債務償還等等這些根本動不了"},{"start":24356.969,"end":24384.756,"text":"另外還包含國防的預算這攸關國家安全2883億公共建設2509億以及科技發展1396億我們要來支持所謂的太空科技以及淨零排碳的這個工作是完全不能刪的第四藍白你們早就已經大砍行政的機關的一個日常運作的經費了請問我們還有哪一些空間可以刪第五"},{"start":24385.536,"end":24410.364,"text":"藍白煽動預算的結果現在大家開始自己承擔現在我們看到他們是自己做賊喊抓賊突然又跳出來你們本來就不應該用不負責任捅山的方式來玩弄國家的預算我們支持你們可以監督但拜託監督要有肩膀要有專業要有誠信而不是把台灣的預算"},{"start":24411.864,"end":24435.455,"text":"當成你們政治操弄的一個工具跟舞台你們現在才意識到這會影響到育兒津貼救命前藍白你們真的好意思嗎早上六仙翔還點名我萬老師我真的要把話回給他好 謝謝郭益晴委員 謝謝我們接下來請徐宇貞委員發言林岳晴委員請準備"},{"start":24445.578,"end":24468.576,"text":"主席各位同仁大家好民國八十八年地方制度法及財政收支劃分法修正通過之後會有效落實地方自治提升地方財政自主程度中央政府從民國九十年開始推動對地方政府一般性補助款的涉算制度由行政院依公式涉算分配以協助這家縣市支應相關的基本財務支出"},{"start":24469.577,"end":24487.504,"text":"而行政院現在這種違法亂紀的野蠻行為使地方政府無法依據預期的收入規劃公共建設與政策的推動基層施政陷入困境中央政府應該依法履行財政的義務否則地方政府的"},{"start":24487.964,"end":24512.352,"text":"教育、農業、社福、交通、經濟建設等都將無以為繼最終受害的是全體的人民賴清德總統上任後提出中華民國史上最高114年度中央政府總預算案金額高達3兆1324億元而為督促中央政府提升財務效能減少不當支出及避免浪費"},{"start":24513.072,"end":24533.579,"text":"立法院依職權審議後通過兩兆9248億元的法定預算創下歷史新高比去年還增加730億元在總預算擴增的情況下行政院卻大砍地方一般性補助636億元統三各縣市一般性補助款27.3%"},{"start":24536.18,"end":24556.686,"text":"將財政壓力轉嫁給地方政府導致地方政府無法將預期規劃推動的建設真是著實荒謬一般性補助款設算制度執行二十多年來該經費已經成為地方政府重要預期收入卓榮泰院長不思檢討如何有效節用分配資源為了進行政治鬥爭與政治報復"},{"start":24558.707,"end":24573.866,"text":"反而以行政濫權的手段扣減本應撥付給地方政府的一般性補助款嚴重影響地方財政及運作國人的權益受到嚴重的損害行政院長左榮泰主導刪減地方政府一般性補助款"},{"start":24574.486,"end":24593.792,"text":"這不僅侵害了財政分配更是嚴重違反預算法與財政收支劃分法的行為行政院帶頭無視法制的程序公然違法濫權是對地方政府跟全體國民赤裸裸的壓迫請問賴清德 卓榮泰你們的心中還有人民嗎"},{"start":24595.012,"end":24612.397,"text":"行政委員作為最高的行政機關理應以身作德守法施政不應該用獨裁統治的思維故意苛扣依法應撥給地方的一般性補助款企圖製造民怨擴大社會衝突為大壩免天才火行政院罔顧法紀無限擴張行政權的做法不僅損害"},{"start":24616.758,"end":24635.397,"text":"法治的根本更為其他的機關樹立惡力一旦法律不再具有效力政府的施政也將陷入人質跟任意操控的泥沼之中好謝謝徐議貞委員的發言接下來我們請林月琴委員發言林黛嬅委員請準備"},{"start":24645.421,"end":24662.315,"text":"主席各位同僚國民黨與台灣民眾黨立法院黨團在本次預算審查的過程當中各種作為荒腔走板引發民眾的憤怒之後還要使要面子來繼續硬拗"},{"start":24664.355,"end":24686.229,"text":"今天兩黨的提案 針對包括旅費 水電費 特別費等基本經常性支出進行全面刪減 合計削減高達939億元約佔總預算的13% 刪不到939億元的部分要行政院自己想辦法刪到939億元根本連做壞事都在混"},{"start":24687.672,"end":24702.083,"text":"預算刪除攸關我們政府運作跟人民的福祉對這兩個黨來講就是一個數字遊戲拿來羞辱行政院用的工具但是全國人民都知道預算絕對不可以"},{"start":24703.075,"end":24721.696,"text":"成為這兩黨的政治遊戲亂來所造成的結果非常嚴重第一 刪除國內外旅費將導致中央機關無法做什麼事情呢執行地方實地查核 集合跟災害巡防也沒辦法做到派員參與國內與國際的會議"},{"start":24725.031,"end":24740.718,"text":"那雙邊談判跟駐外的事務甚至進行出國的進修跟國際的交流來影響我們政府人才的培訓甚至影響到刑事案件國際司法互助下犯罪者引渡被害人救援等經費"},{"start":24742.796,"end":24769.233,"text":"尤其我們在面對到美中關稅與貿易戰爭的時候導致國際供應鏈的重組的當下把政府的費用刪除便是把政府的手腳綁住讓政府走不出去第二水電費是各級機關最基本的營運支出刪除水電費後將導致各部會衛生機關教育機關社福中心圖書館沒有辦法正常運作那治安中心"},{"start":24770.194,"end":24793.477,"text":"防災指揮中心沒有電力支撐可能癱瘓掉我們的整個的緊急應變的機制所以中央政府每年是透過預算來補助地方政府辦理我們的教育、社福、交通、醫療跟公共建設我們統三案所刪減的近千億元使得中央無力提供地方各項補助"},{"start":24795.239,"end":24809.426,"text":"但我在這邊也要澄清的是今天國民黨一直在講基本上交通社福的國防公共建設沒有受到影響所以不要再亂造謠了那因為這"},{"start":24810.707,"end":24836.545,"text":"兩個政黨對於總預算粗暴的刪除939億今年上半年度中央跟地方不管在運作上都會受到一些影響都會造成吃緊的結果所以希望全民面對到這種強烈的無力感之後只能用罷免來解決這問題大罷免好 謝謝林月琴委員的發言接下來我們請林黛華委員發言王逸川委員請準備"},{"start":24845.167,"end":24870.412,"text":"商會群立法院決議刪除總預算2070億新台幣其中1439億是很明確的指定科目項目來刪除額度但是在立法院藍白主導之下的決議有多了這麼一項叫636億的新台幣的刪除要求行政院自行調整給予刪除"},{"start":24872.193,"end":24886.311,"text":"這個看似彈性 實質它是已經違反憲政體制我們的憲政體制是行政院提出預狀案來審查我們立法院來負責審議今天是立法院"},{"start":24887.973,"end":24908.186,"text":"及胡亂審議這個又要要求行政院自己來提出相關的科目所以根本就沒有進到審查之責今天的爭議所在行政院總預算上能夠支出的規劃就四大項公共建設"},{"start":24909.187,"end":24928.269,"text":"科技發展支出第三就是資本基本作業支出第四個就一般進補助款這636億難道要三公共建設嗎這就是馬上對我高雄衝擊最大的就是所有我的捷運網好難道這個636億要三科技發展支出嗎"},{"start":24929.19,"end":24952.379,"text":"那這個南白也說我們台灣也要發展這個AI智慧 甚至太空科技那現在呢也已經好大大的刪除資本作業支出也就是導致我們各部會基本的運作柴米油鹽醬醋茶也已經刪到兩成了在第四個就是現在的重點就是一般補助的支出案"},{"start":24952.859,"end":24981.092,"text":"如果這636億全部再放到基本作業支柱已經達兩成的刪除案那在這636億再放進去的話那各部會整個的作業運作就達到將近三成以上那他根本就不用運作了現在是連衛生紙連電費都沒有可能到時候大家都是摸黑進去好所以呢只能進入到一般補助的這個刪除"},{"start":24982.293,"end":25011.552,"text":"好像大家就跳起來了所以我覺得這基於一個政黨的政治責任這636億與其國民黨民眾黨說這個怪罪行政院不如你們就拿出你的行政政治的一個政治政黨的政治責任告訴我們636億到底要刪什麼如果國眾兩黨說你敢擺在說好像山寨公共建設感燒在說這個科技發展支出"},{"start":25012.112,"end":25040.55,"text":"那你就講或者你就講說這個一定要刪到一般補助支出或者你們也要繼續講說好這個趕刪在這個基本作業支出那就講出來連一個政黨的政治人物都沒有辦法來負擔好 謝謝謝謝林黛華委員的發言我們等一下王逸川委員發言完畢之後我們將會休息10分鐘10分鐘之後再請徐富奎委員發言現在請王逸川委員請發言"},{"start":25043.724,"end":25045.125,"text":"好 謝謝韓院長剛才這個案子就是郭昌阿提 人咧民眾黨人咧 八個都沒在公民黨有一個 老徐宇甄家長 抓爆抓了了今天討論這個就兩個人的原因第一 郭昌"},{"start":25073.888,"end":25094.72,"text":"我們國衝就激怒想要把蒼龍台撈開說啊這醫生啊要拿九百多億再搬大 激怒再搬大啊要九百多億 不知道要多少錢啊過去啊 什麼三十八 五十八 八十八像是說 那也不知道要拿多少啦過去啊 都要拿九百多億就不夠 自己補啊啊各位問他 啊他要補多少 我知道 你自己補所以到現在有這個差六百多億嘛 這個國衝要激怒"},{"start":25103.069,"end":25117.273,"text":"又噴汗 第一 今天要說什麼這個錢可以負責不負責第二的人 也是假的 那人叫陳玉珍啊怎麼會說陳玉珍你知道嗎 去年財政收支劃分了12月20通過 當時如果送出去 送給我們議院長院長送去立法院 總統公佈 這倒是適用的"},{"start":25130.683,"end":25146.555,"text":"陳立正發狗咧 他說因為行政院給他作業不及啦我看還是到115年的預算再來用啦今年是不要用 好 做好人做好人就對了 所以說今年喔 今年慢慢要賣你的 賣你的 賣你的才用結果呢 出事了 出事了 賣你才能贏嘛所以這套行政院抬價什麼一般性補助款 都是因為陳立正心話上"},{"start":25161.367,"end":25165.992,"text":"當時院長喔,你如果跟陳立正說要快點送,要快點試用齁這今天沒這麼的問題,整個棟都假了齁,就說還不夠我送好,陳立正發一個公文喔,你以為要說,慢點送,慢點送,慢點送理事長就這樣"},{"start":25177.145,"end":25205.114,"text":"還叫我丁英雄 傢偶 陳醫生也傢偶還說我講白賊的那個盧秀燕盧秀燕跑來行政院 都哀哀叫說你在看我們這什麼錢你不是說你台中市預算史上新高台中市今年預算是你書上最多的 最多錢的他說你行政院也最多錢行政院如果叫另外一台也不會有人 不然你台中市也不會有人"},{"start":25206.738,"end":25221.301,"text":"就這樣 用你的威來解說就好了所以我說 今天我們在這裡浪費這個時間在討論這個還不夠窮人 被人家嚇死的人沒有了現在的 現在我們整群都在討論我告訴你 這行政院這次處理這個 我個人的肯定這樣就是對的國民黨 民眾黨 自食惡果 誰管的預算 自己去給民眾算命啦"},{"start":25233.537,"end":25237.477,"text":"好 謝謝王逸川委員發言報議會現在我們休息十分鐘"},{"start":25329.398,"end":25354.13,"text":"最主要的這件事是韓國瘋了以前以前在新加坡那些學生那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡那些學生在新加坡"},{"start":25359.104,"end":25375.177,"text":"你怎麼有錢去韓國我這條話哪有錢去韓國我這條話哪你怎麼有錢去韓國我這條話哪你怎麼有錢去韓國我這條話哪"},{"start":25395.743,"end":25395.883,"text":"嗯嗯嗯"},{"start":25412.517,"end":25425.782,"text":"就問在教學當中"},{"start":25440.947,"end":25448.114,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":25468.08,"end":25468.983,"text":"謝謝大家收看"},{"start":25528.784,"end":25536.31,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":25543.387,"end":25563.498,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":25578.686,"end":25594.312,"text":"好好好"},{"start":25612.866,"end":25623.139,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":25697.035,"end":25700.818,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":25725.247,"end":25727.108,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":25755.964,"end":25783.814,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":25804.695,"end":25811.139,"text":"哇哦"},{"start":25842.032,"end":25847.499,"text":"現在我們繼續開會接下來請徐富奎委員發言黃秀芳委員請準備"},{"start":25859.345,"end":25868.693,"text":"謝謝主席 各位同仁針對史上最大的預算刪減屏東縣受害追生藍白兩黨倒果為因"},{"start":25869.679,"end":25887.444,"text":"身為屏東的立委我要為這樣的一個多數暴力譴責到底今年中澳總預算被刪了2076億創下歷史新高其中藍白聯手提案捧刪了939億再要求行政院自砍636億這個預算大屠殺的提案人"},{"start":25891.085,"end":25910.151,"text":"正是民眾黨的黃國昌、麥玉珍還有國民黨的傅坤祺、王宏威除了他們四位之外我更要譴責身為屏東人的國民黨委員蘇清泉、柯志恩還有民眾黨的立委林國成你們都是屏東人你們敢不敢笑"},{"start":25912.788,"end":25932.208,"text":"藍白刪除預算的理由荒唐至極 只因為預算有增加甚至黃國昌就說要抬價大家有感覺 非常非常的離譜那我們舉例台北市的預算今年增加了5.98%新北市的預算增加了4.7%桃園市也增加了9.02%台東市增加了7.62%"},{"start":25937.013,"end":25942.628,"text":"藍白兩黨有看到嗎為什麼不要求地方議會的國民黨黨團煽到人民有感"},{"start":25944.386,"end":25972.86,"text":"藍白兩黨都沒有看到我們行政院今年新增預算的一個用途包含公共建設多了2644億增加了798億增加的部分在於包含治水預算凱米颱風之後的治水預算就要增加了115億國防部主管的預算也要增加415億這些錢都是為了公共預算健保補助社會住宅甚至是國家的安全"},{"start":25973.98,"end":25996.773,"text":"兩百兩打自認以為的精打細算的一個監督就是為了要衝擊我們整個地方的一個建設受害最深的就是屏東縣被刪了52點多億元我想屏東縣的鄉親很辛苦的啦屏東縣有許多的建設陸續要動工身為第五級才藝的縣市我們有60%必須仰賴中央的補助"},{"start":25998.351,"end":26023.48,"text":"結果我們現在失去的不是不是建設跟希望而是人民失去的一個照顧我曾經擔任屏東縣政府的民政處長我知道我們努力爭取的每一份預算都是許多我們公務同仁的努力還有鄉親的地方建設的期待如今藍白兩黨只為了政治操作把人民的權益當作實驗品不顧鄉親的死活"},{"start":26024.72,"end":26048.503,"text":"預算爛砍 把變來行 預算爛砍 把變來行目前全台有30件的罷免案進入二階審查人民要的不是政客的一個算計 而是實在的建設跟未來讓台灣恢復正軌 大罷免 大成功好 謝謝徐富奎委員發言接下來我們請黃秀芳委員發言 吳秉瑞委員請準備"},{"start":26055.27,"end":26083.181,"text":"主席 各位立法院的同仁在今年年初我們在這邊高聲疾呼藍白刪減中央政府總預算那行政院也多次表達刪了這麼多的預算會至愛難行但是藍白不理會行政院必不得已必須遵照立法院的決議湊足統三的數額那因此直到中央宣布給地方的一般性補助"},{"start":26084.281,"end":26099.024,"text":"補助款減少25%之後地方才開始強烈反彈然後藍白才暴跳如雷的做了今天的一成變更那我在這邊要呼籲藍白立委如果在今年年初你們沒有"},{"start":26100.324,"end":26127.969,"text":"亂砍預算亂三預算就不會有今天的這樣的一個惡果中央政府補助地方政府的依據不論是按照地方制度法第69條或者是財政收支劃分法第30條都有明確的規範中央政府必須有裁量權那這些為什麼藍白在刪除中央政府總預算的時候為什麼沒有為地方考慮多考慮一下呢"},{"start":26128.709,"end":26149.257,"text":"沒有為了地方全面的經濟均衡發展多考慮一點呢刪除預算牽一把動全身特別是大砍統三的預算還要求行政院自己刪除藍白兩黨在今天的議程提案之前難道沒有想過今天的做法合不合理"},{"start":26150.077,"end":26171.625,"text":"行政院特別強調 刪減一般性補助款的依據是完全遵照藍白的決議自行刪減預算請問傅坤祺副總召 黃國昌主席你們現在反對什麼你們在不高興什麼這不就是你們亂刪預算 亂砍預算所造成的後果嗎"},{"start":26173.005,"end":26190.248,"text":"該不高興的應該是受到影響的人民吧藍白兩黨你們是忘了當初提案表決的狠勁了嗎當初是如何砍這樣子的預算還是你們根本不知道當初自己表決刪除了什麼"},{"start":26191.129,"end":26211.548,"text":"我要特別告訴在野黨的所有委員事實上行政院主計總署去年8月30號就去函過各縣市政府也告知有關合訂今年度中央對各縣市一般性補助款如果經過立法院審議結果有所刪減將依其審議結果配合調整"},{"start":26216.132,"end":26237.797,"text":"那我要問藍白兩黨的委員如果你們的預算提案都這麼有理請問現在怎麼這麼著急解凍預算為的是什麼這麼著急出來洗白自己不就是刪除預算的元兇那我這邊要正告所有的在野黨委員誠實的面對自己你們牽過字舉過手"},{"start":26242.622,"end":26271.263,"text":"好 謝謝黃秀芳委員的發言接下來我們請吳秉瑞委員發言郭國文委員請準備主席 各位同仁行政院去年編列預算要今年適用的時候"},{"start":26272.518,"end":26295.669,"text":"預算是編的完整的是誰刪的預算是誰刪的預算是誰刪的預算很重要講三遍不是有人包括黃國昌在外面比賽說我們誰刪多少有時候我還要比你刪更多黃國昌說要刪到讓全民有感啊"},{"start":26297.085,"end":26313.773,"text":"所以預算是誰刪除的就是藍白立法院的多數刪除的然後統三之下不負責任說行政院你自行調整的金額行政院今天自行調整了全部都跳出來罵說行政院不可以這樣調整"},{"start":26315.356,"end":26329.306,"text":"那你當初在審預算的時候要刪哪些預算就要跟人家明確啊你已經空白授權給行政機關我要給你刪這麼多那你自行調整你給我調整出來今天行政院調整了"},{"start":26330.305,"end":26354.756,"text":"有什麼地方有問題呢 邏輯沒錯嘛回過頭來反省是誰刪的預算預算是全民共有的是大家的錢無論你在哪個地方刪除 美其名叫勘緊荷包也好要幹嘛也好你無論在哪裡刪除 就有人用不到預算這是一定的沒有不可能又要馬兒好 又要馬兒不吃草"},{"start":26355.694,"end":26370.331,"text":"那我個人認為 剛剛王玉川委員在那邊責怪黃國昌 陳玉生我認為都對啦講傅坤祺不對 我也贊成可是我認為責任最大的是我們在上面的主席韓國瑜先生"},{"start":26371.673,"end":26393.588,"text":"因為過去我在立法院20年來預算審查最後都要進駐政黨協商的時候行政機關所有的這些首長要列席主計長財政部長等等這些首長要列席在預算審查在談論刪減的時候都要讓行政機關表達這是否可行"},{"start":26395.131,"end":26413.336,"text":"二十幾年來都這樣不過這一屆立委很可惜很可憐啦院長對這個過去可能不太了解雖然他以前當過立委這是我的揣測黃國昌 傅坤祺傅坤祺更不了解啊他以前當立法委員不是在炒作股票就是在坐牢嘛"},{"start":26414.452,"end":26430.755,"text":"所以他哪裡知道來預算審查的過程中藍白拼命提案我要給你砍多少就是多少也不用行政機關的首長來列席來說明這有沒有可能這做得到做不到你這樣的刪減會造成什麼樣的結果"},{"start":26431.596,"end":26448.711,"text":"都沒有經過這些過程程序亂七八糟我高興給你砍多少就砍多少一副威權然後作威作福的這樣子的姿勢導致今天的結果所以我們立法院還要繼續亂搞下去嗎大抱怨好 謝謝吳秉瑞委員的發言跟指導謝謝我們接下來請郭國文委員發言 武力華委員請準備"},{"start":26471.194,"end":26481.157,"text":"主席 各位同仁如果是國民黨黨員當中39席的區立委面臨罷免的31位立委當中我心想"},{"start":26482.27,"end":26506.476,"text":"到底今天砍的一般補助款25%之後對我有沒有影響?有!肯定有!絕對有!為什麼?今天之所以會有大罷免的風潮原因在哪裡?第一個會期的時候藍白兩黨聯手違法亂政形成一個破絕法案引起社會反彈第二個會期又亂砍運算亂修財發法所造成的結果"},{"start":26509.517,"end":26529.91,"text":"但我個人認為第二個會期的表現比第一會期還嚴重我個人認為亂砍預算比財發法的亂修更加嚴重現在報應來了我要笑的是笑國民黨被民眾黨牽著走民眾黨是一個靠流量不管區域的政黨"},{"start":26531.243,"end":26559.655,"text":"而國民黨呢有39席的區立委有16個縣市的執政首長預算的刪除對地方影響最大對區立委對縣市首長最有感他們傻傻的跟著民眾黨在走現在民眾黨黃國昌知道傳貨了就提一個建請案問題是這個建請案即便通過了以後會怎麼樣毫無法律效益啊也沒有用啊"},{"start":26560.72,"end":26586.218,"text":"所以說 黃國昌現在惹的禍誰來承擔第一個 國家要承擔國家延緩進步第二個 社會要承擔社會人民的需求被忽視舉我台南市為例亂修財政收支方法的時候我們就受到很大的一個損害但這是未來式的發展而現在呢 一般補助款呢損失了57.1億"},{"start":26588.499,"end":26613.354,"text":"為什麼補助款對台南這麼重要補助款跟財政收支法 婚法裡頭的統籌分費款不一樣啊它只有兩個原則一個是人口的原則一個是財務能力的原則人口將近兩百萬的台南市當然需要一般補助款而丟入當中財務狀況最差的也是台南市你以為你用這種砍台南市的方式你報復到賴清德了嗎"},{"start":26614.912,"end":26639.803,"text":"你以為你這種亂砍預算的方式是報復到民進黨的嗎都不是你是報復到當初支持藍黨跟白黨兩黨過半的這些支持你的民眾這些民眾被你砍了之後當然會不高興所以說也就是會有這一波大罷免最主要關鍵的原因"},{"start":26641.769,"end":26655.398,"text":"等著承受吧黃國昌惹的禍國家是要承擔沒有錯但是我必須說要買單的是誰就是要面對大罷免這31名立委大罷免一定要大成功"},{"start":26672.403,"end":26692.14,"text":"主席各位立院同仁各位網路前的親朋好友我們都知道玩火縱火的人都會說他不知道會星火燎原非常遺憾這些人竟然是立法委員要知道之所以會統刪一般性的補助款就是因為藍白兩黨亂刪預算"},{"start":26695.143,"end":26698.204,"text":"就在今年的1月21日三讀通過的總預算案整體刪減2075億其中要求行政院通刪939億扣除已經核實計算的通刪303億還有636億"},{"start":26715.009,"end":26743.592,"text":"竟然是要求行政院需自行調整刪減難道沒有提醒過嗎去年的8月30號行政院主計總署就已經去函各縣市政府告知有關核定今年度中央對各市縣一般性的補助款如果經立法院審議的結果有所刪減將依其審議結果配合調整"},{"start":26744.272,"end":26759.974,"text":"那麼經過通盤檢視後人事費不能刪教育補助不能刪國防不該刪公共建設不該刪關係到國家安全經濟發展跟民生福祉的預算都不該刪"},{"start":26761.135,"end":26779.862,"text":"然而行政機關的基本運作預算早就在前一輪的審議中被大幅刪減939加303億超過1000億如果再刪下去連政府最基本的行政服務功能都將要受到影響"},{"start":26780.962,"end":26796.823,"text":"我們都知道地方政府一定是有壓力但是冤有頭債有主這不是中央對地方的不重視而是藍白兩黨亂砍預算導致中央別無選擇的結果"},{"start":26798.705,"end":26822.495,"text":"當中央政府財政困難甚至連多個部會連冷氣都不敢開廁所連公用的衛生紙都沒有還要求中央按照一樣的水準給地方這個叫做蠻橫無理當然我們大家還是要共度難關但是我們要把話說清楚追根究底如果不是藍白亂三預算毫不考慮刪減的後果"},{"start":26824.895,"end":26848.342,"text":"這636億根本不必砍地方政府也不會遭受波及這筆賬人民會記得是誰造成的這一切的源頭就是藍白在立法院所做的惡事 莽莽撞撞這一屆的立法院前所未見的慣是易羅光如果我們不想年年出現這種亂象唯一的方式就是拜託大家大罷免大成功 謝謝"},{"start":26850.306,"end":26851.748,"text":"主席 各位委員先生"},{"start":26870.563,"end":26881.337,"text":"最近這段時間,我們看到各縣市政府略修出來合約,希望中央可以依照原先決定的分配手段來協助經費"},{"start":26884.343,"end":26904.391,"text":"但是現在我們在這裡要討論的這項議案是要將他做成貴議要求行政院要抹上一半的補助款很快來補給地方政府這項提案看起來是表明非常合理是這項所謂顛倒是非 邏輯錯亂"},{"start":26909.673,"end":26930.451,"text":"用這種方式要企圖來顧及民眾 推卸責任 真的是無良勢頭無路無際 無白亂共 台人崩壞 還要罵別人行政院為什麼要給補助地方的一般性補助款三件到底為什麼"},{"start":26932.366,"end":26936.71,"text":"因為我們在前段期間在南北聯手集合總總議選選舉到2075年並且在新議會時並沒有選擇總選舉的組織組織組織組織組織組織組織組織組織組織組織組織組織組織組織"},{"start":26958.578,"end":26965.865,"text":"減裂六百三十六億 要他們自己去想辦法這不然讓中央政府在市政方面受到很大的衝擊"},{"start":26967.878,"end":26991.391,"text":"也因為如處行政院以通宣地方一般性補助款來因應這會讓各縣市政府連帶受到影響本席這整個禮拜也受到議員館政府的公文表示來自中央所協定一般性的補助款不能如期來分配造成館戶災難的困難過去我也是來自議員館議會非常清楚這件事對議員館來說影響很大"},{"start":26998.427,"end":27009.517,"text":"尤其宜蘭縣今年衛生規模差不多是300億在一般性補助款比通商25%以後原本設定要給宜蘭縣的93.6億現在只存64億對於宜蘭縣輝瑪多這種農業平台的管制來說"},{"start":27019.258,"end":27033.803,"text":"一般性補助款的災源對於管政的推動非常非常重要若是災源不足會對社會福利、教育導入、基礎建設的相關業務都會受到很大的影響中醫生的亂象已經發生,福利要重慶的機會也已經超過現在要解決管政的困境,不應該也沒辦法"},{"start":27043.986,"end":27046.107,"text":"好 謝謝陳俊宇委員的發言接下來我們請審發會委員發言賴會員委員請準備"},{"start":27081.684,"end":27102.574,"text":"各位同仁今天我們為什麼會在這裡討論這個案子我想這個大家都講了很多了這是因為我們在114年度中央政府總預算的審查在去年整個行政院被刪除2076億這裡面其中的636億那時候立法院決議說由行政院自行調整"},{"start":27104.395,"end":27120.192,"text":"那行政院在經過衡量對中央政府的各項職能影響最小的情況之下他決定調整了他對地方的一般性補助結果今天在野黨說不行跳出來他們說我們來看他們說這個這樣不行那我們就來看到底行不行啊"},{"start":27121.013,"end":27143.471,"text":"就是說行政院今天所做的這樣子的調整我們看幾個指標第一個看他有沒有違法如果有違法那我反對行政院這樣調整第二個我看他有沒有違反立法院的決議如果有違反立法院的決議我們今天我們也反對行政院這樣調整第三我們看他是不是針對在野黨執政的限制故意修理如果只針對在野黨執政的限制那我也反對我個人我也反對我覺得不可以這樣"},{"start":27144.844,"end":27153.283,"text":"那我們就一個一個來看啊今天來調整這個一般性的地方的補助這個它的法源依據是什麼"},{"start":27154.5,"end":27181.725,"text":"一般性補助的法源依據他第一個地方制度法第69條第一項他說為上級政府這個各上級政府為謀求地方均衡發展對於財力較差的地方政府應著於補助第二個法源依據是財政收支劃分法現行的財政收支劃分法第30條第一項他說中央政府為謀求全國經濟平衡發展得著於補助地方政府"},{"start":27182.83,"end":27207.382,"text":"什麼叫得 就是我可以補助可以不補助什麼叫著與 就是說我來斟酌 斟酌我現在我的預算被砍了多少我的預算有多少 我來斟酌之後我來補助所以行政院這次這樣子的調整 他這是依法我看起來就是沒有違法啊 沒有違法更何況這次的一般補助 一般補助款不是說全部刪除他的刪除25%"},{"start":27209.892,"end":27224.747,"text":"第二個他有沒有違反立法院的決議我們立法院決議說你自行調整啊你刪檢之後你自行調整那自行調整他就是自行調整啊他也沒有調整到調整到不是中央政府總預算的部分啊"},{"start":27226.618,"end":27239.038,"text":"所以他也沒有違法第三個他是不是針對在野黨不是所有甚至民進黨執政的縣市影響更大他是統一一個公視下去沒有辦法預算被刪成這樣子我只好這樣調整"},{"start":27240.253,"end":27266.044,"text":"那沒有違法又沒有違反立法院決議他又不是特別針對特定政黨那今天到底在反對什麼呢你們決議是你們做的餒你們多數是你們做的決議的餒你們今天決議自行調整結果行政院這樣調整你說不行這個不能調整那下次即使今天通過了要是行政院再調整另外一項你們要跳出來說這個不行這個也不行調整你搞得行政院很"},{"start":27275.083,"end":27278.746,"text":"好 謝謝省發會委員的質詢發言接下來我們請賴會員委員發言羅美玲委員請準備"},{"start":27289.537,"end":27305.41,"text":"主席、各位同仁、全國關心台灣民主的好朋友今天本席必須要用一種非常嚴肅來探討行政院在處理地方一般性補助款三減比例的一個做法"},{"start":27306.711,"end":27331.602,"text":"這次行政院將各縣市一般補助款一例齊頭式削減砍了27%本席認為這個做法確實值得探討因為在全國每一個縣市縣市政府的發展情形跟財政明顯不同用一刀切的一個方式是會讓我們南部尤其是"},{"start":27332.864,"end":27355.539,"text":"台南 高雄 屏東這三個縣市的受傷是最嚴重的但是在這裡我也必須要釐清這個問題的一個根源到底是誰造成的答案非常的清楚就是南柏聯手刪減預算的結果特別是黃國昌 胡坤祺當初口口聲聲"},{"start":27357.08,"end":27374.229,"text":"跟我們講要三道讓人民有感現在人民真的是灰腸有感痛徹心灰他們這種不負責任的大刀亂砍導致行政院不得不從地方一般性的補助款下手來調整預算"},{"start":27375.129,"end":27400.865,"text":"光是台南直接就損失到51.68億這51.68億這個是我們台南這些補助款是用來要做我們的龍水路用來做教育用來做攝護用來做交通甚至連基本的人事調動都一切不補每一筆錢都是地方發展不可或缺的"},{"start":27401.84,"end":27421.376,"text":"但是 焉有頭 債有主 這個始作俑者就是黃國昌現在竟然跳出來 大聲的要求立即足而補撥一般性補助款給地方政府畫得這麼大聲 怎麼透過呢什麼叫做立即足而補貼"},{"start":27424.831,"end":27448.063,"text":"我覺得這個人啊你 心啊你 鬼啊你黃國昌又是你真的實在是讓大家非常非常的不滿更離譜的是黃國昌在提案中甚至講到行政院要立刻立刻補足這個足額補助給地方政府竟然沒有提到說當初刪減掉的那636億呢他從哪裡來了"},{"start":27451.224,"end":27475.894,"text":"是不是也是一樣從你們家的停車場違法的停車場憑空去把它補貼出來的錢啊身為台南的立法委員我非常體驗就是可以體諒行政院面臨的一個艱難但是我必須站在南部鄉親的立場呼籲行政院重新去調整這個刪減的比例成功"},{"start":27476.721,"end":27495.373,"text":"好謝謝賴會員委員的發言接下來我們請羅美玲委員發言王美惠委員請準備抱怨會現在在議場二樓旁邊是林月琴委員一起陪伴來東吳大學有71位同學我們掌聲歡迎啊各位小學弟小學妹好請羅美玲委員請發言"},{"start":27502.734,"end":27522.171,"text":"主席各位同仁這兩天藍白兩黨對行政院刪減地方一般性補助款的批評根本是顛倒是非盜國為因大家不要忘記在今年的1月22號國民黨跟民眾黨仗著在立法院掌握多數的優勢"},{"start":27524.212,"end":27536.182,"text":"強行大砍中央政府總預算而且想砍多少就砍多少胡砍亂砍那其中呢還要求行政院自行調整3.636億從財化法的修法爭議到總預算審查過程"},{"start":27541.906,"end":27556.096,"text":"民進黨的立委跟行政團隊不斷的警告中央政府的基本支出攸關全民的民生經濟教育國防安全醫療照顧跟社會福利請在野黨切勿"},{"start":27558.138,"end":27575.056,"text":"輕率刪減可是呢藍白兩黨一意孤行無視專業甚至民眾黨的總召黃國昌還曾經放話預算一定要刪到讓人民有感把整個預算審議搞成一場政治鬥爭那好了現在"},{"start":27575.717,"end":27593.333,"text":"人民確實很有感所以才有這次的大罷免浪潮甚至到現在連地方政府都非常有感其實行政院早在2024年8月就正式函文各地方政府如立法院刪減相關的預算地方補助將依照結果進行調整"},{"start":27595.114,"end":27620.082,"text":"行政院完全是以立法院決議形式審慎調整補助款依法行政尊重國會國民黨本來就知道砍預算會影響地方於是趕緊修正財化法第30條想避免分配款被刪減可是今年的總預算案在1月就通過了財化法3月才修正根本無法速及"},{"start":27620.862,"end":27629.856,"text":"既往也就是說114年的預算案無法適用剛剛聽到有狼白的委員說砍補助款是犧牲人民的福祉"},{"start":27631.357,"end":27653.485,"text":"可是呢你们这不就是在说自己吗当初乱款议算的不就是你们蓝白立委吗所以说现在想要甩锅给中央政府真的是非常的可笑那说穿了蓝白本来就是要联手让中央断水断粮再反过来再骂中央不给水不给粮这种只顾自己政党利益"},{"start":27653.865,"end":27679.065,"text":"不顾国家治理的行为已经到了让人无法忍受的地步请问大家还要让国会继续给蓝白恶搞下去吗更何况今天民众党所建起的这一个这个提案根本也就是没有法律的效应所以呢所以说胡搞乱搞之下受遭殃的其实还是人民所以请大家一起来大罢免大成功"},{"start":27681.932,"end":27682.152,"text":"主席"},{"start":27701.675,"end":27716.508,"text":"好 當時跟我們電視機前面的鄉親朋友 尤其看珠寶的好朋友 大家的朋友好我相信你們關心台灣的未來在今天有早早說到現在 實在不知道要怎麼說"},{"start":27721.929,"end":27742.908,"text":"國民黨也好 民眾黨也好在正當的集體會 到議會的時候心意深 我們就來拜託說如果有做得不好的是不是可以讓審判單位來解說 讓他們可以做得更好"},{"start":27745.37,"end":27764.575,"text":"沒有議會,我們這兩黨的,國會這兩黨的,都沒有聽到話五百山,五百黨,黨自己不知道在做什麼,不知道叫人家說,如果沒有堂食,要去買麥當勞這個立委,實在會去找死人"},{"start":27772.284,"end":27788.263,"text":"因為我們都想說,忙啊忙,等啊等,有等到良心的動,可以讓鄉親有一個福音案,讓鄉親可以有一個機會來改變我們台灣。"},{"start":27794.281,"end":27809.446,"text":"時時刻刻都說有史以來今年的遺產最多我在這裡要問我們好同事要問我們有在看珠寶的好朋友"},{"start":27810.967,"end":27817.253,"text":"正當我們去買東西,如果一碗切仔麵30塊,今年是不是要35塊?這個國家要建設,哪有可能沒錢給他生的?"},{"start":27829.324,"end":27843.596,"text":"所以 我覺得說到這裡 整條台灣的未來讓這兩黨不知要怎麼說所以我希望有良心的國民黨和民進黨不要自己做的事 我要給別人"},{"start":27854.653,"end":27880.596,"text":"民進黨希望在所有的地方一般的步驟來三馬每一步都是台灣人站上去的我相信憲政院的院長要做這件事是非常的艱苦所以有告訴我一個大部分都成功了"},{"start":27882.568,"end":27889.506,"text":"好 謝謝王美惠委員的發言接下來我們請柯志恩委員發言何新淳委員請準備"},{"start":27898.344,"end":27915.716,"text":"谢谢院长还有我们在场的立法院的同事行政院砍伤地方一般性的补助这么一个明确的事实从早上到现在不同的政党再在这边发言所讲的都完全不一样"},{"start":27916.636,"end":27936.054,"text":"民进党呢从这个会期开始主词不管是任何的议题一定是蓝白毁线乱政乱砍预算最后的结束呢一定是大罢免大成功这个如念经的方法听得每个人的耳朵都讲解了"},{"start":27936.835,"end":27964.807,"text":"我还是要强调一句一般性的补助款这个是我们法定的义务民进党在1月的时候呢也特别的提出来这样的一个支出呢不应该来做任何的一个删减现在明明就是行政院在带头违法而且呢我们已经不断的强调原本编了2501亿的预算立法院审议的时候一毛未删"},{"start":27966.047,"end":27984.098,"text":"民进党的地位不去向行政院要钱今天反而站在这个地方还是用过去膝盖式的一个反应又是蓝白在山预算我们还是强调我们给行政院一个非常大的一个弹性的空间"},{"start":27984.878,"end":28009.757,"text":"希望你能够竭尊预算对于一些膨胀的水电费出国的经费像速发布的出国的经费连很多人都看不下去了还有包括你的政策宣传请你好好的不要去避免去浪费民脂民膏结果呢给你方便你却是当随便你却把整个刀口放在我们的地方拿地方来做出气"},{"start":28010.518,"end":28029.926,"text":"要把深减重要的额度转嫁给地方政府罔顾地方政府的节居刀刀都是砍向人民的福祉你会不会觉得你太狠心了这不是报复什么才叫报复而且昨天行政院回应说通案通山是按立法院的要求"},{"start":28030.646,"end":28037.536,"text":"但是立法院的決議是要中央各部會節省開支中央各部會不是你要大砍地方賴政府移花接木卻扯說我們這個部分裡面然後還不斷地哭窮賣慘"},{"start":28046.869,"end":28072.53,"text":"一切都說沒有錢但是遇到中正路要來改名我們的內政部長整個人就活血起來了要多少補多少不是沒有錢嗎所以這個錢完全是根據你要的項目來做施捨我們還是再一次的強調這些是法定要給予地方的錢不是看你行政院的顏色藍白綠的立委"},{"start":28073.37,"end":28079.834,"text":"應該集體跟行政院要錢而不是在這個地方重複一堆沒有意義的語言"},{"start":28097.37,"end":28107.321,"text":"藍白在野亂山總預算是事實再強調一次藍白亂山總預算是事實藍白亂山總預算是事實再怎麼野蠻也不能亂砍預算這句話我想大家應該還記得"},{"start":28114.648,"end":28129.42,"text":"台灣過去也曾出現過嘲笑野大的情況但是後來人民用選票來表達強烈的抗議20年後再也難白在國會多數今年出非理性的三減總預算再怎麼野蠻"},{"start":28133.049,"end":28148.599,"text":"也不能亂改預算這句話又發生在現在了而且比起過去三的更沒有道理三的數字砍的數字是更多更狠所以行政院迫不得已調整地方一般性的補助款"},{"start":28149.5,"end":28176.596,"text":"我也可以想見在野一定又把責任推給別人說中央懲罰地方果不其然藍營的地方首長都跳出來說話中央刪減一般性補助款都沒有來跟地方商量讓地方的預算受到很大的排擠來統刪地方預算會讓外界誤以為中央是否將預算被刪減的不滿找地方政府出氣"},{"start":28177.817,"end":28196.782,"text":"這些都是藍營的地方政府又把責任推給別人 推給中央但是大家有記憶的台灣的人民眼睛是雪亮的事出必有因 有因才有果現在藍白反過來倒果為因"},{"start":28198.182,"end":28213.872,"text":"過去要不是藍白聯手在立法院非理性的胡亂的提案說要統三預算又強行否決了行政院提出復議案的因怎麼會出現現在這樣的果呢此外我舉台中為例2023年2月的時候當中央"},{"start":28219.122,"end":28245.878,"text":"收到抽出預計的稅收他願意與地方共享撥給台中75億當時盧秀燕市長宣布說24億要給25個學校蓋活動中心禮堂到現在還一直風光的在舉辦開工典禮當時候大家同一鍋飯中央跟地方願意一起合作 努力共好"},{"start":28246.823,"end":28266.919,"text":"但是盧市長從來不提這是中央撥的現在現在他跳出來說中央不給地方錢那當中央預算被藍白亂砍大砍的時候他不說一句話他靜悄悄昨天院會盧市長說"},{"start":28272.679,"end":28293.194,"text":"如果不會做事就下台大批中央但是我要反問盧市長你台中市總預算達到歷史新高好 謝謝何新淳委員的發言接下來我們請莊瑞雄委員發言賴瑞龍委員請準備"},{"start":28302.366,"end":28331.241,"text":"主席 各位在場的好朋友今天大家吵的啊 兇手到底是誰啊到底誰是兇手 誰砍了這個總預算按照我們整個預算法的規定啊中央政府啊 它確實是有這個義務啊為了均衡地方的發展然後對於地方一般性的補助地方制度法 或者才化法裡面規定得很清楚啊"},{"start":28332.182,"end":28352.296,"text":"但是國民黨的朋友你門心自問今天一月份審總預算的時候總預算通過 砍完通過的時候我們整個一場中國國民黨跟台灣民眾黨的好朋友你們是開心的鬼叫跟什麼一樣結果才幾個月而已你現在哇哇叫了"},{"start":28353.837,"end":28364.179,"text":"不要忘記了 中央政府對地方政府一般的一個補助那也是在整個總預算在藍白聯手所通過的總預算的範圍裡面現在行政院跟你講呢就跟你說 你這刪減了2075億其中636億裡面呢 你要我進行刪減我找不出其他的有油水的地方來了"},{"start":28381.963,"end":28408.186,"text":"也就是說藍白聯手在砍預算的時候 你一直砍所以預算誰砍 藍白聯手砍立法委員當然可以監督整個行政院但是你砍到最後 到底該砍多少藍白的委員跟你說 我也不知道 不知道要怎麼抬哪怕什麼 自行自去調整 好啦你自行調整完以後行政院按照你藍白聯手通過的總預算去做分配啦"},{"start":28409.482,"end":28433.525,"text":"那你現在再來講說行政院砍預算你會不會覺得你比較差不多咧摸著良心啊國家是大家一起的啊這次我們屏東省有夠衰啊走預算 立一個台刷抬高地班性的補助行政院擠不出由來以後整個各地方政府屏東被減了五十幾億"},{"start":28434.969,"end":28452.537,"text":"然後呢在立法院藍白又聯手又賞了我們一個和珊巨蟋來演繹我再次講一次啊藍白聯手在台灣真的不是什麼好東西啊所以我必須要講啊真正砍預算的到底是誰就是在立法院裡面藍白聯手你多數"},{"start":28458.134,"end":28486.182,"text":"你在砍的時候你作威作福 你覺得你好偉大我好大的權力 砍啊砍完以後呢 你再告訴行政院說你怎麼都像地方一般進補助你怎麼都像台府那樣 我是叫你台立中央的好厲害啊 像媽寶一樣巨人馬上就變成巨嬰了台東人不嚴重 台東很嚴重啊就是有你們這家巨嬰媽寶啊你自己砍的啊"},{"start":28488.732,"end":28494.34,"text":"好 謝謝莊瑞雄委員發言接下來我們請在內容委員發言馬文君委員請準備"},{"start":28505.091,"end":28533.285,"text":"剛剛聽到柯志恩委員的發言我們感到非常的遺憾這也就是國民黨不認錯的一個代表性包括這段時間來為什麼人民這麼憤怒柯志恩委員的發言代表了一切從去年的亂象 國會亂象從法律的專家寫者都說到國會擴權法案99.9的法律專家都說這個是違憲但是藍白不聽堅持要擴權結果被大法官認定為違憲"},{"start":28534.466,"end":28556.261,"text":"任你違憲之後然後繼續癱瘓癱瘓掉整個大法官會議讓大法官也無法運作然後接下來就是今天的這樣的重點包括財化法包括亂刪總預算各位試想國民黨過去在執政時代或任何時代的時候有這樣的刪預算的方式嗎連刪了多少總預算連給行政機關說的機會都沒有然後刪掉636億連刪哪裡都說你執行調整"},{"start":28564.406,"end":28588.983,"text":"好歹你要刪預算你把明確性點出來哪裡不適合哪裡該怎樣點出來沒有表示你也刪到了你不知道要刪什麼了刪到了你知道刪過頭了然後636億要求行政機關自行調整那行政機關怎麼調整他連他基本人事費連他基本水電費連所有的費用都已經被砍光了他最後當然只剩下補助款可以做處理嘛"},{"start":28589.443,"end":28617.412,"text":"所以這些的原因到底由何而來就是藍白聯手刪除掉了636億而導致現在地方政府拿不到這些補助款而被統刪27%補助款兇手就是藍白不要再狡辯了我們要再次強調不只是這件事情包括財化法當時的時候大家要求不要用這樣的方式粗暴的來處理財化法這是一個相當困難的處理各縣市都在爭取"},{"start":28618.312,"end":28647.205,"text":"結果柯之恩主導的智庫提出來的案子 讀後台北然後通過的法案是重北侵藍 重藍侵綠導致到高雄實質損失229億包括花蓮還可以增加到161億這些都是同樣一個手法全部都是不聽行政機關的意見不聽其他的黨團的意見一意孤行 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謝謝賴瑞榮委員的發言報告委員會接下來馬文君委員發言完畢之後我們會休息十分鐘休息完畢之後請林怡瑾委員準備發言現在請馬文君委員請發言"},{"start":28708.827,"end":28726.52,"text":"行政院主席總署發文給各地方政府將刪減一般性補助款而且也短波了普通統籌分配稅款根據南投縣政府的資料今年中央核定給南投縣的一般性補助款本來是128.01億元未來"},{"start":28730.043,"end":28742.178,"text":"在補助款的部分將短波35億元比例高達了27.3%這個影響最大的就是社會福利跟教育包括對於低收入戶的家庭"},{"start":28744.056,"end":28772.887,"text":"低收入戶家庭的兒童就學教育的補助還有老農津貼中低收入戶老人生活津貼以及身心障礙者的生活補助還有學校的水電費包括國中小他的冷氣電費學生的營養午餐還有校舍修繕等等的經費還包括了一些相關的水利工程還有清淤跟輸菌這些對於經常有天災或者受到"},{"start":28773.627,"end":28788.89,"text":"水土保持影響的這些都是在在跟基層民眾的生活和安全息息相關的而且對於南投縣而言補助款短少也會嚴重影響到縣府對於偏鄉民眾以及學童的照顧"},{"start":28789.771,"end":28812.148,"text":"一般性的補助款今年行政院編列給地方的這些款項總共有2501億1279萬藍白在這個部分完全沒有刪除或凍結完全是可以凍結的而且在今年中央政府總預算通案刪減的部分分為指定項目303億元沒有指定的項目636億元"},{"start":28818.112,"end":28836.297,"text":"不過民進黨政府卻把腦筋動到地方要照顧基層民眾的這些一般性的補助款要將通案刪減的部分當中沒有指定項目的636億元全部都砍在一般性的補助款這個在各縣市至少都被刪減了20到30%的款項"},{"start":28839.438,"end":28859.774,"text":"藍白當時針對預算用通刪的方式就是希望行政院在必要的預算以外想辦法遵截刪除最不具重要性急迫性以及最不影響人民的事項不過民進黨政府竟然直接砍向了一般性的補助款這個在於"},{"start":28860.615,"end":28877.954,"text":"沒有跟地方政府溝通的情況之下直接刪除地方政府的重要財源民進黨分明這個就是家暴政府沒有去思考到自我尊潔也不管地方的死活這個懲罰人民欺負弱勢的做法其實"},{"start":28878.855,"end":28905.601,"text":"是對地方造成非常大的傷害一般性的補助款的刪除將對地方的財政弱勢民眾的照顧他都會造成非常大的衝擊在這裡要強力呼籲行政院謝謝馬文君委員的發言現在我們休息十分鐘"},{"start":29503.683,"end":29507.927,"text":"主席 各位同仁以傅坤祺 黃國昌為首的藍白兩黨就是一群敢做不敢當的拘英政客"},{"start":29533.568,"end":29546.398,"text":"不要再拋棄了啦國民黨和民眾黨應該要大方承認瑕疵636億就是他們想要刪掉台灣的國防預算公共建設還有科技發展經費他就是要把我們台灣抹斷啦"},{"start":29549.8,"end":29566.446,"text":"國民黨年初配合黃國昌囂張提案應要刪掉國家總預算939億750萬最後找不到理由刪竟然還叫行政院自己刪掉636億藍白居英政客說"},{"start":29567.99,"end":29596.375,"text":"行政院編的預算太多啦應該要節省開支結果咧說得出哪一條預算是多編的嗎為什麼是叫政院自己調整自己刪了636億的這個數字這是哪門子的預算監督品質愛搞政治鬥爭又不敢負責任不敢告訴國人你到底要刪哪一筆經費真是荒謬國民黨跟民眾黨諸位俱因行政院是不是有拜託你們"},{"start":29597.415,"end":29612.844,"text":"接受復議是不是有拜託你們審慎思考這樣子的大幅度的三預算是不妥當的結果呢你們一票一票否決了行政院的提議放棄改正錯誤的機會逼迫全民承擔後果"},{"start":29614.145,"end":29639.099,"text":"用盡這種方法 勸你們亂刪預算 你們不聽提醒你們刪除的預算項目 如果不寫清楚一定會違背責任政治的原則這件事情 被你們當而邊封結果現在你們亂搞出來的苦果黃國昌又跳出來要求行政院立刻將一般性補助款 足額撥付於地方政府"},{"start":29640.253,"end":29666.845,"text":"有沒有搞錯啊叫政院自己大三預算是你黃國昌現在叫政院不能自己大三預算又是你黃國昌行政院已經盡全力挽救636億的經費但是被藍白駁回最後卡了到國防外交乃至於全國性的教育資源也絕對不能刪減在不得不的狀況之下才忍痛刪減一般性的補助款"},{"start":29667.865,"end":29693.732,"text":"建議藍白兩黨不要再空口說白話如果636億你們想站在我們的國防外交上你們就大聲說出來當個真小人不要學黃國昌當個偽君子眼下台灣人該走的路應該非常的清楚罷免傅坤祺就是罷免黃國昌罷免國民黨就是罷免民眾黨大罷免大成功"},{"start":29695.93,"end":29697.251,"text":"主席 我們各位同仁"},{"start":29721.307,"end":29740.086,"text":"去年12月20號在野黨主導三讀通過的財劃法要求中央提撥3753億預住地方這樣的金額大幅的增加中央財政的負擔卻未經完整的財劃規劃未做財政的影響評估"},{"start":29743.669,"end":29769.525,"text":"更為說清楚錢從哪裡來請問這樣的立法是為了人民負責還是單純的為了政治加分更令人無法想像的在野黨在中央政府總預算審查時在野黨不但為針對具體的項目進行審慎審查反而直接提出一些荒唐的"},{"start":29771.185,"end":29796.711,"text":"結議要求行政院自行刪減636億卻不指明應刪除的合項也未進行實質的討論就同等於將預算砍三隨意丟給行政部門這樣的行為不僅破壞預算審查的專業與程序正義更將所有的責任推給行政部門來做承擔"},{"start":29797.731,"end":29827.211,"text":"今天行政院被迫統三檢各部會的經費甚至三檢隊一般性的補助25%不是因為意願而是迫於無奈的選擇請各位同仁這不是立法這是脫序應該監督這是我們的責任我也向各位在場報告像在我們的選區新北社"},{"start":29827.911,"end":29857.231,"text":"你看新北市光是一年一般性的補助111億包含教育交通社會基礎建設那光是重大的建設的挹注像山陰縣我們中央就挹注185億萬大縣的工程就挹注172億包含司法延期就中央也編列了171億包含京城交流道也挹注了"},{"start":29859.392,"end":29882.592,"text":"59億包含種種零零在選區就超過了好幾百億所以未來未來未來真的我們地方的建設你說過去對地方的藝術是非常多的敬畏那未來反而會自愛地方的建設所以在這邊本席向各位來做說明謝謝"},{"start":29884.926,"end":29893.852,"text":"謝謝吳啟明委員的發言接下來我們請許智傑委員發言邱毅英委員請準備"},{"start":29912.318,"end":29940.555,"text":"好 主席 各位同仁 大家好宗教有講因果關係啦正什麼因 定什麼過善惡到頭終有報不是不報只是時機會到或者是早到晚到國民黨這段時間大罷免都怪民進黨說你為什麼做這麼慷慨說民眾對大罷免有意見事實上它的因是什麼它的因就是"},{"start":29941.813,"end":29955.919,"text":"這一陣子 這一年多以來沒關係 擴全法案 限訴法 選罷法 裁劃法我們在地方這幾年來 感覺很無奈以前在王金平院長的時候其實大家都很好溝通"},{"start":29957.194,"end":29985.851,"text":"現在這一年來幾乎都沒有辦法溝通你可以看到前面這幾個案子國民黨都是硬搞藍白在一起都是硬搞所以這段時間其實全國的民眾都感覺你們立法院運氣很亂很無奈所以為什麼大罷免可以有這麼多人連署這個就是百姓的聲音在怒吼我們拿這一次的採訪法"},{"start":29987.468,"end":30016.402,"text":"國民黨刪掉請行政院自行刪減636億高雄市長陳其邁跟我們在立法院一樣也一直在呼籲你要改的財化法如果比現在更好那再來說那我們都認為沒有比現在更好為什麼你一定要強行過關強行過關以後 刪掉那麼多錢然後呢 尤其是各個部會的業務費刪掉三成到七成"},{"start":30017.739,"end":30040.645,"text":"國民黨說,我如果不給你都抬啊,有一部分本預算被刪掉就叫抬掉你的肉。給業務費刪掉的,刪到三成到七成的,這叫拿車子把你的車子都拔掉,讓你沒辦法去做工作。然後呢,又再加這636億,你們要自己決定。說實在的,我也知道行政院很無奈。"},{"start":30041.873,"end":30057.946,"text":"那其實我們區域立委我們高雄的 台南的 屏東的其實我們還有很多我們區域立委我們都全力赴行這個3掉25%左右我認為應該是這樣講國民黨區域立委贊成3減的這個縣市要省比較多我們這種全力赴行的應該要省比較少"},{"start":30065.073,"end":30092.316,"text":"這樣子才公平 我們是要顧預算公平的話是三預算 結果統三的我們也希望行政院有機會可以調整跟國民黨 區議會都贊成的這個管制就省比較多了尤其我看到前面柯志恩在笑柯志恩你是要去國用選擇中的你沒有好好顧他所以我們感覺很不滿我們希望說大家一起來讓我們立法院可以恢復正常大發明大成功 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