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這個跟各位報告我們大概就是行政院的版本跟這個國民黨的版本就是只有這個名稱立法目的"},{"start":2601.129,"end":2627.302,"text":"那刪除國土安全加入普發現金這相關的內容譬如說這個促進消費民生紓困擴大內需這個部分大概有一點這個差異那跟民眾黨的版本名稱跟立法目的民眾黨的版本是要刪除國土安全的這個任性內容那我們行政院的認為說這個"},{"start":2630.263,"end":2658.842,"text":"強化經濟社會及國土安全認証均有必要跟急迫性但是行政院版就已經有通盤考量各方面的這個需求了那民眾黨的版本強調因應美國關稅導致重大的經濟變故這個是跟行政院版本大概有點差異的部分另外就是王振旭委員的版本就是要增加國民健康與文化發展的相關內容那"},{"start":2659.662,"end":2678.533,"text":"在我們的這個行政院版本在國民健康與文化的發展是屬於社會任性的範疇所以在這裡建請各位支持行政院版本好那我們在場委員王振旭委員"},{"start":2680.894,"end":2698.455,"text":"好 謝謝主席我是王振旭第一次發言那針對於剛剛郭副長所提到相關第一條的內容部分我們之所以會把國民健康跟文化發展會特別放進來除了剛剛郭副長所提到的"},{"start":2699.056,"end":2726.241,"text":"好像是屬於經濟社會的一部分事實上還是有他必須要再強化的部分那理由我想大家也都很清楚這次這個川普的關稅影響非常的大那在於雖然在後面第三條的第七款裡面有講到會針對全民健康保險基金會有挹注的部分事實上相對來講並沒有"},{"start":2728.041,"end":2743.571,"text":"完全涵掛到國民健康的部分我們也了解全民健康保險的費用基本上是以疾病為導向的韌性可是針對於未來我們要因應這些國際的變化尤其是在關稅變化的時候"},{"start":2745.516,"end":2759.831,"text":"藥物的韌性非常非常的重要那個藥物韌性其實也是讓我們的國民健康得到重要的保障那這個不只是健保的問題而已它含括的是更廣泛對國民健康的這個要求"},{"start":2761.073,"end":2778.19,"text":"所以我們很期待說在這次處理當中也把國民健康這個重要的議題還有這個重要的訴求可以納進來另外就是針對於未來當各個世界國家的原料要"},{"start":2779.011,"end":2793.631,"text":"目前大宗的出產是中國還有印度可是對於川普總統來講他期待的就是美國本身在使用這些原料藥的時候他的關稅需要能夠符合他們照顧美國"},{"start":2794.893,"end":2815.566,"text":"人品的這個用藥的需求這個會導致全球未來對這樣的掌控其實是非常非常不穩定所以我們希望能夠把這個重要的議題也能夠在第一條裡面就把它做一個完整的訴求那針對於這個文化發展的部分那大家也清楚的知道曾經川普他們針對於電影課稅100%"},{"start":2818.208,"end":2835.094,"text":"那這個對於未來台灣如果有關於這個提升藝文的產業希望也能夠落實的話我們也希望用這樣的特別條例把它納進來那這兩部分其實在上一次的這個報告裡面我們也跟這個主席"},{"start":2835.894,"end":2836.374,"text":"現在請黃珊珊委員"},{"start":2864.521,"end":2883.46,"text":"谢谢主席还有各位同仁我想特别条例它其实是要符合预算法83条的规定预算法83条有左列情势之一得于年度总预算外提出特别预算第一要国防紧急设施或战争"},{"start":2884.1,"end":2912.488,"text":"第二是國家經濟重大變故第三是重大災變第四不定期或數年一次的重大震勢也就是說我們現在面對的是特別預算它必須是國家經濟重大變故所謂的不定期或數年一次的重大震勢都不應該本來就是一個空白收取我們都不應該在特別預算裡面所以今天這個特別條例尤其是在野黨願意希望行政院能夠用"},{"start":2913.408,"end":2941.845,"text":"相關的特別預算來進行的主要是因為國家經濟重大變故的原因也就是說原來行政院版本裡面包括軍購他本來就會在總統所說的他接下來會提軍購特別預算有關老屋重建有關相關的人才招募這些都是他平常就該做的事我們認為國家經濟重大變故才是特別條例的精神所以台灣民眾黨版本其實已經非常的廣泛了"},{"start":2942.445,"end":2960.17,"text":"強化經濟跟社會韌性特別條例草案那這個內容其實已經包括可能行政院要加的或者是國民黨要加的我認為第一條的部分我們可以讓它就單純是經濟跟社會韌性而這中間其實應該要扣住所謂的國家有重大的經濟變故"},{"start":2961.83,"end":2985.154,"text":"現在因為變故才有特別預算的必要而不是包括什麼老屋重建這些全部都納到這個特別預算我們認為這樣的狀況會變成包山包海所以我們希望說在比較精簡的方式就是我們現在是因應國家重大變故強化經濟社會流行比較簡單但是一樣可以達到相關的目的鄭天才委員"},{"start":2995.776,"end":3011.405,"text":"這個國民黨團的版本跟本席的版本這個類似這主要就是因為因應這個美國關稅的這個政策所以經濟產業會受到影響農業這些產業也會受到影響當然直接的就是"},{"start":3016.368,"end":3039.064,"text":"一般的人民勞工農民也會受到更大的影響所以這個民眾的這個相關的這些包括擴大內需這些都必須一一納入考量所以這個部分第一條國民黨團的版本就是跟這個會跟第三條也都是有直接的關係以上說明好"},{"start":3042.665,"end":3056.236,"text":"現在請張祺凱委員那張祺凱委員發言完畢我們先請行政就是經濟部以及相關部會做對於委員所提的意見做相關的回覆然後再繼續二輪發言"},{"start":3057.797,"end":3071.35,"text":"今天我們在討論的是特別條例 特別條例後來要編列特別的預算剛剛珊珊有特別提的 特別預算的 就是預算法裡面的第83條這一次我們開始要貼4100億的特別條例跟預算最主要就是針對美國高關稅 對不對"},{"start":3079.946,"end":3093.678,"text":"美國高關稅就是所謂的預算法第83條裡面的重大經濟所以民眾黨裡面特別提到第一條就是說因應美國對等關稅跟國際情勢的衝擊因為國家的經濟重大變故所以我們才要編列本條例"},{"start":3099.904,"end":3123.516,"text":"那現在發現就是說行政院現在把那個國土安全安全這個國土安全任性這一塊把它放了進來那事實上這一塊就是在你在年度預算裡面已經有了跟特別預算應該是比較有衝突性的所以我們一直力主就是說把這個文字把它刪掉相關的這個預算回到年度預算來編因為你以前就有編你要的話你明年也可以編這是一種"},{"start":3123.976,"end":3152.975,"text":"那第二個我們最新的這個進度是賴清德總統昨天特別強調了他在今年底之前要提出經過的特別預算像這裡面的很多預算跟這個應該都是重疊的所以他第一個可以回到年度預算去第二個也可以用賴總統這個到時候的特別預算進入特別預算裡面再來做所以我建議把這個條文可以第一條可以採用台灣民眾黨這個版本因為老實講他這個是把國土安全任性這個把它拿掉之外然後也符合這原來的特別條例跟特別預算這個規範 謝謝"},{"start":3155.897,"end":3156.038,"text":"郭文貴議員"},{"start":3171.409,"end":3185.585,"text":"受這個關稅的這個影響啊那麼開始我們會發現在這個中國因為中國他製造了很多東西會有外溢的現象他沒有辦法賣到美國去他開始有外溢現象外溢現象第一個會進來的就是在台灣"},{"start":3186.326,"end":3213.963,"text":"所以我們對這個部分說國土安全其實是我們在防止走私防止來台灣洗產地所以才會有這樣的一個名詞說這個國土安全我們主要的國土安全事實上因應國土安全來保護國內的產業不至於受到這樣的一個衝擊所以我在這裡強調國土安全是非常非常非常重要"},{"start":3217.349,"end":3235.75,"text":"好 我們現在請鐘嘉賓委員好 謝謝喔那麼當時在四月份的時候因為美國的關稅政策引發了一連串的連鎖反應餘波蕩漾或者說芳心未艾到前幾天我們看到了以色列跟伊朗"},{"start":3236.511,"end":3261.668,"text":"為了核設施開始進行了彼此對方的軍事攻擊不要小看這些事件背後環環相扣一開始或許大家認為國際情勢的變化似乎只限定於經貿但是我們看到了就算是經貿的議題一開始從關稅後來跳到了匯率 幣值的匯率的升降後來又跳到了美債的債息的利率的問題"},{"start":3262.549,"end":3282.137,"text":"我想這些環環相扣進一步引發了什麼事情?引發了包括美國對中國實施了晶片的一個禁運美國開始轉向跟阿拉伯國家達成了NVIDIA這樣的高階的未來AI所需要的智慧型晶片的一個貿易的一個交易"},{"start":3282.717,"end":3299.171,"text":"那也看到了中國回報以稀土的禁運造成了不只是世界汽車工業的生產線的停頓也甚至造成了連帶許多國家在國防上必要獲得的原料這些軍備所需要的原料的困難"},{"start":3299.992,"end":3317.28,"text":"所以我們認為前面所說的因應國際情勢的變化這個國際的情勢變化它的衝擊的正如剛剛幾位委員所提到的是預算法83條當中所說的為什麼你看這三款當中包含了什麼包含了國家緊急設施或戰爭"},{"start":3318.641,"end":3345.496,"text":"包含了國家經濟重大變故包含了重大災變其實當我們動用預算法第83條的時候就不能排除這三種狀況都可能是國際情勢變化當中所可能分治踏來的所以如果一開始只是著眼於4月9號那個時候美國總統川普宣布的他美國的關稅政策就以為我們其他國家所受到的衝擊僅限於經濟跟產業"},{"start":3348.197,"end":3368.173,"text":"我想這個是從現在的事情發展來講是可見當時行政院版本反倒是有預先的去因應到國土防衛的部分國土防衛不只是剛剛部長所說的查緝走私嚴防來洗產地而已說到洗產地目前我們的經濟產業的因應談了一個可能認為說跟這些國防最無關的"},{"start":3371.596,"end":3400.376,"text":"中國啤酒大局入侵我們現在行政院已經在對它進行一個反傾銷調查可能未來會處以反傾銷的暫時稅率防止這樣的經濟衝擊繼續擴大難道我國單單只就啤酒的產業不受到這個國際情勢的牽動嗎因此在這當中我們的第一條當中包含國民黨的黨團的版本跟行政院版本最大的差別是在於經濟產業後面行政院版加入了國土防衛"},{"start":3401.897,"end":3421.031,"text":"國民黨團的版本只著重在民眾消費請問一下以現在國際的形勢變更來講民眾消費會是因應著國際形勢變更最主要的考量嗎還是我們應該考量到國土防衛眼看著這個國際形勢的推展我們應該更加把這樣的國土防衛的精神放進去"},{"start":3421.832,"end":3444.791,"text":"第一條 第二條 第三條是連帶相關的這當中國土防衛的有無涉及到我們如何去因應國際情勢的變化非常重要的一個項目它也符合預算法第83條的第一款的規定因此我們在這裡呼籲支持所有包含了經濟產業跟國土防衛的項目在內的一個因應的特別預算的特別條例的編列以上"},{"start":3447.196,"end":3466.862,"text":"好 張祺凱委員 主席在這裡也對我們經濟部還有相關的部會有相關的詢問就是其實國民黨跟民眾黨對於是不是應該把強化國土防衛能力以及提升支通作業環境及設備這兩項"},{"start":3468.482,"end":3497.347,"text":"就是共1500億的預算放在這4100億裡面那就這個部分是不是等一下請海巡署的張副署長來說明喔因為上一次管委員在這裡報告的時候在委員會報告的時候他提到的似乎比較接近於國土防衛而不是剛才郭部長所說的查緝走私喔那就這個部分是不是請海巡署來提出相關的說明喔那"},{"start":3498.307,"end":3521.115,"text":"當然就這個部分如果是可以放在未來的軍購的特別預算裡面是不是就應該要把它拿掉而放在未來我們立法院審議的軍購特別預算裡面那就這個部分我們來釐清並解決目前各黨團與行政院的爭議那現在請張祺凱委員做說明"},{"start":3524.856,"end":3536.647,"text":"今天我們在討論的是特別條例為什麼叫特別它跟年度的預算當然是不一樣的當然是不一樣的所以要問兩個問題如果國土這個韌性這個要放進來那請問這次如果給了這1500億那明年度的"},{"start":3546.079,"end":3557.476,"text":"預算裡面會不會重疊這是第一個第一個我剛才提醒了賴清德總統已經講了今年度還要提出跟經過有關的跟國防有關的特別預算到時候要再編一次嗎"},{"start":3558.911,"end":3576.423,"text":"所以它是有一個這是一個法治的這個社會特別條例跟特別預算百分之年度就不一樣了當你可能會影響到年度的時候或者其他另外的賴總統講的另外一個特別預算我認為這1500億這時候不宜通過我覺得如果繼續再討論下去大家還是有意見就只能先保留啦"},{"start":3577.605,"end":3601.201,"text":"我認為即便是未來要保留我們現在也應該要充分討論然後也給國人同胞知道說我們這個4100億的特別預算的內容是什麼那如果我們只是就是每一條都保留而沒有給大家清楚了解這個內涵的話我相信大家也會不了解不清楚這樣子的情況那"},{"start":3604.277,"end":3611.655,"text":"蔡委員是不是讓那個張署長先報告我剛才的提問然後再請你發言好不好好張副署長"},{"start":3614.265,"end":3643.004,"text":"主席還有各位人大家好那有關這個部分在海巡署的部分其實海巡署所要面對的是中國長期而且是系統性的灰色地帶的活動跟軍事的侵擾矩爭那不斷的派出海警船還有這個假的漁船還有民兵船包括海監海警漁政科研船這些等等這些所有各類的公共船舶然後進入我周邊海域"},{"start":3644.365,"end":3662.364,"text":"意圖常態化的挑戰我國的主權然後嚴重影響我國的海洋權益跟海域安全那另外現行的以現行的這個年度預算編列部分事實上是不足以這個立即來更新這些設備跟裝備的所以我們急需要"},{"start":3663.084,"end":3687.138,"text":"這一個特別預算來立即來充實我們的預算另外部分就是有關這個部分主要是分三個部分來說明第一個就是強健的徵收的這個能力那從陸海空3D的思維建置海巡的空中能量現代化的雷達全海域的調查以及建構全方位的監控的網絡那第二個部分就是"},{"start":3687.958,"end":3713.619,"text":"及時的應處提升第一線部署艦船艇的密度然後更靈活的能夠應付灰帶地帶灰色地帶的這個策略另外一個部分就是優化後勤讓我們的海巡弟兄有健全的裝備那事實上這一個部分上次我們管組會在這個上一次會議中也特別提到我們只需要這些裝備來強化海巡立即的這個聯合勤奸爭的能力以上補充報告"},{"start":3716.158,"end":3730.63,"text":"好 現在請蔡委員好 謝謝主席那我想我們今天協商在討論這樣的特別預算剛剛鍾嘉斌委員有講整個情勢的變更從川普第一次宣告"},{"start":3731.169,"end":3749.488,"text":"他的對等關稅的宣告然後到延緩90天那現在90天事實上也已經到了尾聲了所以事實上未來的情況會怎樣變化還不知道但是至少就這幾個月來的時空環境我們知道有很多關鍵的因素有一個就是包括說"},{"start":3750.489,"end":3766.625,"text":"很多現在的中小企業尤其這一些的出口的一些製造業者他們都認為第一個控制成本是他們很重要的一件事那既然要控制成本我們也進一步的去問這些業者成本最高是什麼他說第一個電價所以他希望維持穩定的電價這個是他們這些很多業者他們認為說第一個可以來做的"},{"start":3774.773,"end":3779.196,"text":"所以想的話我們這一次的特別預算希望把導入對於台電的一個電價的一個這一千億的特別預算然後讓台電穩住他們整個財務狀況甚至未來也不要因為這個整個政策面然後造成台電在評估這個電價的時候又有一些"},{"start":3797.129,"end":3824.827,"text":"多餘的考量然後造成業者的成本提高所以這個東西很清楚也很要緊第二個現在業者現在擔心的就是說整個對等關稅並不是只有台美兩國因為這一些對等關稅包括最近已經宣告的中國的部分可能會落在55%那如果台灣不是跟中國是一樣的一個關稅的情況之下就會造成中國的息產地的狀況"},{"start":3826.568,"end":3829.13,"text":"所以這個東西也很要緊,那要怎麼杜絕行散地我想整個包括海巡他們認為他們的一個強化我們國土韌性強化國土韌性的背後就是他們要所謂夜間全天候的監控"},{"start":3843.583,"end":3858.693,"text":"要全天候的監控這也是需要醫生所以不能說我們這一次再提四千一百億那只要涉及到了台電的部分涉及到了經濟部涉及到了海巡涉及到了國防部我們就要大家丟掉就說那邊不是 我覺得這樣就不好大家應該是好好去討論說"},{"start":3863.596,"end":3885.538,"text":"我們在討論的就是對應美國他們現在整個對等關稅到底未來會對台灣產生怎樣的影響那我們才針對這一些產業面然後去提撥我們這一次的特別預算然後來做特別預算的處理我感覺這個才是正辦那現在事實上藍白也還是多數所以如果藍白想要發一千億想要"},{"start":3888.741,"end":3894.586,"text":"想要發這個一萬塊市商藍白也可以再提別的條例不用把它扯在一起不要把它扯到這一次對等關稅這一次對等關稅我們還是要站在產業面整個產業現在他們有怎樣的需求那我們來停對應的一些特別預算"},{"start":3914.225,"end":3931.479,"text":"至於其他的有什麼方式因為我們研會也好像要延到了8月31也都還有時間可以提其他的特別預算那不要把所有的事情都把它扯到了這一次的這一個美國對等關稅的特別預算那以上是我初步的一個發言是這樣好 謝謝好 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回到制度面我們先給委員說完再請部長我回應張委員剛才所講的麻煩你把時間放清楚你有沒有與時俱進在討論這個問題你一直放在今年的二月關稅是今年的四月才開始的"},{"start":4866.391,"end":4894.814,"text":"我們針對這個關稅的問題然後繞了全省所有的這個產業然後提出了這樣的一個緊急預算你一直扣著二月再講表示你根本就停留在二月到現在都沒有沒有發現說這個這個環境的改變我們再提出來這個環境會因為關稅決定了以後開始改變但是很抱歉你一直在停留在過去那你說我不是經濟學家對不起沒錯"},{"start":4896.277,"end":4923.275,"text":"我們主席是經濟學博士那你請問主席的觀點國土安全重不重要對未來的影響變數重不重要我想在討論這個學術的話我非常歡迎你來討論但是這個問題不是學術的問題今天我們要看的國家安全國土的安全重不重要對關稅的這個緊急預算重不重要如果你認為不重要"},{"start":4924.551,"end":4951.523,"text":"那我想我們沒有辦法討論下去經濟部的立場我要防範未然我今天是防範未然所以提出來這個國土安全會對我們未來的經濟造成更大的衝擊你花一萬塊錢對我的經濟的對這個滋潤只有一部分而已不可能來彌補當這個破口衝出來以後花一萬塊你就發十萬塊的救不回來"},{"start":4952.883,"end":4963.428,"text":"這個是非常關鍵的部分所以我們還是一樣這個破口絕對不能打開所以國土安全請各位委員務必支持"},{"start":4964.465,"end":4981.57,"text":"因為郭部長好像不是來解決問題是來製造問題對啊 他一直要點名回答我的問題當然要講啊等一下等一下等一下我講完馬上好剛主席是說剛主席的主持是換我的喔換我的喔來來來 主席決定誰先講 對對對剛剛因為郭部長提的是我的是我的問題嘛"},{"start":4984.012,"end":4994.087,"text":"讓主席決定可是剛剛郭部長講的是我的話對讓主席回答尊重主席的主持不是你跟官員一來一往可是我要提醒剛剛郭部長來啦等一下啦對嘛讓主席決定"},{"start":4998.052,"end":5014.104,"text":"好 我們休息一下好不好我們休息一下 休息兩分鐘副長 是我剛講的問題他回擊問題 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那時候的時空環境是什麼那個時候是疫情"},{"start":5164.326,"end":5180.815,"text":"疫情的情況之下是因為整體國內的消費不足所以我們當時普發現金去刺激國內的消費那這一次的發生的原因叫做對等關稅主要就是我們的出口業會因為美國客語的關稅的改變會造成國內我們整個出口的產業會受到衝擊而且也會進一步的因為全世界都跟美國有他的關稅所以關稅的一個落差"},{"start":5193.122,"end":5209.009,"text":"會造成會不會有商品他透過走私透過其他的方式或者是洗產地的方式進入台灣再轉到美國或者是發生了所謂替代替代出口的狀況本來過去是台灣在出口的那因為"},{"start":5210.339,"end":5228.585,"text":"舉例中國因為中國現在對美國的出口有55%所以中國就要擠到其他的地方然後替代了台灣的商品的出口所以這4100億要因應的狀況主要還是要針對國內的出口的製造業或者是農業所以看來變業預算"},{"start":5231.227,"end":5255.106,"text":"如果國民黨跟民眾黨對於普發現金這件事這麼執著那就請提自己的特別預算你們可以去抓你們要的特別預算甚至我剛剛看到鄭天才委員也有提出說他希望把對於地方政府的補助款也把它列入為特別預算但是這個還真的就跟這一次的對等關稅的事件不一樣"},{"start":5258.728,"end":5280.233,"text":"所以不管是國民黨或者是民眾黨未來可以支持行政院的追加預算然後來處理一般補助款那這個我們也非常支持啊因為一般補助款涉及到很多地方政府的需求我們用追加預算還是你們要像我當時有建議國民黨可以去提特別預算這個我們都支持不然跟這個的對等關稅沒關係"},{"start":5283.174,"end":5298.247,"text":"我覺得大家在這裡我們還是理性的討論到底美國關稅的一個改變對台灣產生怎樣的衝擊那這個衝擊需要編列哪些預算所以不管是經濟部所提出來台電所需求的1000億穩定電價控制這些產業的一個成本的一個問題"},{"start":5302.871,"end":5313.562,"text":"第二個海巡署全天候的政策擴大我們國內對於走私對於洗產地的一個政策的能力這件事要緊所以我們就要做我們要做要怎麼做要特別醫生所以我覺得大家既然在這裡我們就實踐這件事我們大家討論就好"},{"start":5321.569,"end":5330.273,"text":"國民黨有對於政策 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起產地意圖要透過第三地消亡美國市場難道台灣不要預防嗎"},{"start":5477.589,"end":5498.665,"text":"難道我們可以多發一萬塊的現金鼓勵民眾買來這些席產地的產品嗎中國的啤酒過去這幾年來未裝成美國的品牌未裝成日本的品牌大舉攻陷我們台灣引以為傲的本土啤酒的市場本土的啤酒市場的本土自佔率已經跌跌下降"},{"start":5499.626,"end":5516.431,"text":"這裡面一直獨秀增加的就是中國福建的啤酒,銷往台灣,產地上寫得一清二楚,消費市場上不應該防止嗎?難道要我們多發一萬塊現金,讓我們的民眾去多買這些進口的中國啤酒嗎?這難道是我們台灣要的嗎?"},{"start":5517.882,"end":5534.953,"text":"這些很簡單的道理抱歉不需要經濟學博士只要經濟學嘗試就知道現在不是內需不振需要透過消費的刺激來活絡我們的經濟現在遇到的情況是國際形勢的匹變整個陣營全球化已經分成了兩球化"},{"start":5536.257,"end":5559.43,"text":"那麼美國這邊透過有岸外包能夠將民主同盟的產業鏈、工業鏈去串成一個非紅工業鏈的情況之下難道我們台灣要自決於這個非紅工業鏈之外的腳步嗎我們編列的這些特別預算透過特別條例來支應就是要加強我們國家不管是在經濟社會的韌性還是國土安全的韌性上能夠保護我們的台灣原來我們台灣的貿易"},{"start":5560.951,"end":5588.409,"text":"基本上以相當大量的歐美的進步市場為主我們國內的消費市場也要慎防遭到中國的低價傾銷透過第三地息產業的方式進來難道我們要發一萬塊的現金讓台灣的民眾去買中國的產品幫中國去劃它過剩的產能這個絕對不是我們今天審查特別條例編列特別預算的目的因此在這樣的一個國際情勢匹變的情況之下這樣的特別條例的"},{"start":5590.773,"end":5610.421,"text":"範圍它的用途就要能夠精準的去對應到目前是國際經濟環境的變化而不是在回味當年COVID-19時間民眾拿到一萬塊為了能夠渡過紓困能夠在防疫之後我們能夠振興經濟此一時彼一時請不要拿過時的話來隨便亂套"},{"start":5612.779,"end":5632.014,"text":"好 現在請張祺凱委員蔡英瑜委員跟鍾嘉斌委員跟民進黨立委都是反對要普發現金的剛剛蔡英瑜 蔡委員講啊他說那你就這筆錢啊這筆預算你另外去編那這個很好笑啊那為什麼 如果是你這個成立的話那國土安全任性這個為什麼要放在這裡為什麼連老舊房屋的這個修建都要放進來都要灌水灌進來"},{"start":5644.722,"end":5647.212,"text":"連強化高等教育人才培育都要灌到裡面來"},{"start":5648.564,"end":5674.056,"text":"連年度預算裡面都有的國土安全任性的這個預算都要灌進來嗎所以你這個自己的推論就打到了自己啊那更重要的你們民進黨反對普拉現金可是你們以前也做啊以前你們做都可以現在在野黨主張就不行你去看看民調過八成的民眾認為這時候面對著高關稅的衝擊甚至是通膨的這個壓力你去看看主計處最近的統計"},{"start":5678.359,"end":5691.811,"text":"普發薪金有什麼不對呢你們現在會不會過幾天啊你們賴清德總統突然轉彎了你們的普發一萬二啊你們講話到底有沒有根據你們做的時候都可以 別人做的時候都不行力能別人都不能嗎"},{"start":5693.291,"end":5715.209,"text":"那個邏輯怎麼會這麼奇怪包括剛剛經濟部長 郭部長針對性能那麼強你們一路的否決普發現金我只是要提醒你不要打臉以前的民進黨政府以前都有普發現金過請你們不要逐勢驚飛打到自己 這是一個點第二個 剛剛郭部長還特別提到"},{"start":5716.872,"end":5734.447,"text":"你說國土安全任性這個事情是在2月份我跟你講這個不是我們提的這上次會上管碧玲管子偉自己講的他在2月份要提出這個那他提出這個他也認為應該是另外的特別預算裡面那你說我們應該以時俱進台灣民眾黨是針對"},{"start":5736.519,"end":5752.538,"text":"你們行政院提出的4800億的特別條例之後做了大幅的修正我要強調部長要注意我們提出在支持經濟發展跟多元的市場部分提的都比行政院還多"},{"start":5753.686,"end":5775.438,"text":"我們不只沒有停留在你說的在後面我們是已經超前你們了反而是 郭部長請你要跟上這個時代我們已經提醒過你好幾次了提醒過你好幾次了你們提的這個經濟的這個整個這個方案裡面不管是對金融的支持提升產業競爭力還有這個多元市場的這個金額可能都是不過的"},{"start":5777.165,"end":5798.805,"text":"那我們都已經把它提升得更高你們要共同應用來支持民政網的版本才對啊怎麼反過來打我們一把呢你剛才提到很重要啊你負責去談這個關稅那目前還在現代進行式啊你把這個1500億就放進來還有更不堪的是我剛剛講的竟然把老舊房屋的這個修建也灌進來把高等交易的錢也灌進來連台電的運算1100億有一個多補"},{"start":5801.047,"end":5820.611,"text":"立法院都已經刪除通過就是刪掉了叫你趕快去改善你的體質改善你的這個錯誤的能源政策要不然的話一直在撥普根本就是錢越撥動越大嘛你不正本清廉然後全部灌到假高關稅之名全部灌了一堆大灌水進來人民黨就反感啊請解決問題不要來今天製造問題 謝謝請華佳佳委員好 謝謝主席我想剛剛聽了這麼多"},{"start":5829.045,"end":5851.583,"text":"其實今天我們很心平氣和的坐在這邊要討論特別條例我希望這件事情真的非常的重要90天的關稅暫緩期7月初就要見真章了我們的時間真的不多了第二個剛剛講的不管坐在現場的每一個人我不相信有人認為國土安全不重要"},{"start":5852.967,"end":5869.608,"text":"在這裡的每一個人都認為國土安全很重要但是如果剛剛以這樣的方式來跟委員溝通我覺得這不是很有智慧啊為什麼如果按照管碧玲主委說二月她就提出來那是行政院認為她不重要"},{"start":5870.865,"end":5884.542,"text":"因為行政院沒有幫他編預算所以沒有錢他只好現在插在特別預算裡面我覺得這樣子沒有必要啦也就是說大家都很重要錢不夠是事實要分配很重要所以今天才要坐在這裡討論今天這個特別條例完了之後還有特別預算"},{"start":5887.486,"end":5909.416,"text":"所以今天這個爭端不要影響到將來的特別預算所以朝野政黨本來就是坐在這邊放下旗艦希望能夠找到共識所以我還是認為說剛剛講的這裡每一個人都認為自己的預算很重要但是就像剛剛齊凱委員說的這個案子從四月份發生美國關稅的事情之後"},{"start":5910.43,"end":5938.664,"text":"行政院包括在野黨都非常認真的去跟院長溝通我們希望我們能夠做些什麼所以看到行政院提出800億我們覺得很棒後來暴增到4100億我們覺得很好但是沒想到暴增到4100億裡面真的跟關稅有關的大概只有980億其他3000億是包括台電的也來了然後危老重建也來了輔助弱勢也來了人才培育也來了"},{"start":5939.983,"end":5965.23,"text":"在我們看起來他就是硬要把這4100億湊成把所有的稅基剩餘用完而已所以1500億要放進來1500億還宣傳預算我相信委員都會支持所以現在主席的意思也只是說你們能不能用其他的方式來編列沒有人要否定你的國土安全我想這個我們的立場也是一樣的所以還是一樣在野黨很希望能夠在"},{"start":5966.03,"end":5983.599,"text":"面對國家這麼重要的時候我們只剩下一個月不到的時間我希望有個很完整的結論我們提出的版本大家可以討論但是可能不要去否定對方的版本或者是扭曲對方的意思好 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這個協調非常非常的重要"},{"start":6501.285,"end":6523.338,"text":"攸關到總額去應用高關稅還有現在碰到這個衝擊還有通膨的這個衝擊之下我們趕快把預算協調好對 特別條例 趕快協調好讓特別預算可以趕快進來好不好現在開始我是覺得不要講一些情緒性的發言針對條文那如果真的目前沒有答案的去保留好不好OK 謝謝好"},{"start":6525.137,"end":6531.672,"text":"那我們現在第一條所有版本提案及修正動議均保留"},{"start":6557.046,"end":6558.53,"text":"現在第二條請經濟部說明"},{"start":6570.526,"end":6588.651,"text":"主席各位委員大家好關於第二條這個主管機關為經濟部那麼相關機關配合預算來編列執行這個是行政院版那這個民眾版有提出來說要刪除國土安全"},{"start":6589.551,"end":6605.021,"text":"新增普發現金相關內容我們還有這個賴氏寶委員提出來的主管機關為國家發展委員會刪除國土安全任性相關內容"},{"start":6606.365,"end":6623.614,"text":"那我們的王振旭委員是提出來增加國民健康與文化發展的相關內容那我們主要在這個在行政院版是那是保委員所提案的主管機關為國發會"},{"start":6626.363,"end":6643.972,"text":"但是考量本條例是因應國際情勢對國家造成經濟社會與國土安全的衝擊以強化經濟韌性為主軸建請支持行政院版本由本部擔任主管機構好"},{"start":6648.277,"end":6675.192,"text":"什麼我其實除了那個經濟部就是除了那個行政院提出的版本以外還有其他版本雖然都是經濟部那還有賴氏寶委員的版本是國發會那過去這樣子就是跨這麼多部會的這個情況一般都是有一個就是可以跨部會的單位來做相關的這樣子的因應那"},{"start":6677.853,"end":6680.574,"text":"主要還是強化經濟韌性主軸是強化經濟韌性所以由經濟部來主持"},{"start":6704.778,"end":6707.901,"text":"這個第二條啊 主要是第一項是主管機關那第二項會跟這個"},{"start":6730.932,"end":6741.918,"text":"這個法例名稱還有墓地還有跟後面的第三條有相關的所以剛剛前面已經保留了所以這個部分也要保留但是我建議了"},{"start":6743.004,"end":6759.682,"text":"建議這個行政院就是經濟部跟相關部會尤其跟國發會在討論因為今天如果我們各種版本現在所有的版本第三條所以也不是只有經濟部的業務有農業部的業務"},{"start":6762.825,"end":6787.012,"text":"有教育部的業務還有其他的部會的業務所以是不是由這個國發會作為主管機關這個是不是我們先保留然後讓經濟部跟國發會來先跟行政院做這個報告之後下次審查的時候可以並提出來 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各位委員這一次的特別條例就是為了協助相關業者能夠度過這次美國平等關稅的相關問題所以我們在這個"},{"start":7055.74,"end":7076.767,"text":"在相關的優惠方面提供的包括企業的金融的支持包括外銷貸款優惠保證加碼中小微企業貸款加碼貿易融資利息的減碼還有輸出保證的優惠等等這一部分我們將來如果通過之後"},{"start":7078.648,"end":7080.694,"text":"我們會請蘇瑩來配合執行以上簡單說明 謝謝"},{"start":7086.837,"end":7114.418,"text":"因為其他委員的版本裡面都有提到過去我們在最初規劃的時候都是以出口的企業然後受影響的來提供就是貸款的檢碼等等的相關的那我看到其他委員的版本有提到就是農漁業的其他的就是出口或者是相關的那這個部分請問就是說"},{"start":7116.62,"end":7133.546,"text":"議政部主席報告農業支持的部分大概有180億我們這整個我把它報告一下我們大概有四大主軸分配支持產業加上安定就業大概930億這裡面照顧民生大概1670億強化韌性1500億這裡面我們有十大措施提升產業的競爭力在研發轉型支持是200億"},{"start":7144.631,"end":7163.159,"text":"那麼加上設備太舊換新50億那金融支持我想剛才已經有報告過第三個強化農業支持180億開拓多元的市場100億第五安定就業我們合計150億第六才是易住台電的這個1000億加上勞保100億健保"},{"start":7168.802,"end":7190.579,"text":"200億照顧關懷弱勢因為這個會衝擊所以照顧關懷弱勢大概170億強化高教人才的培育200億那麼這個強化國土防衛的能量那麼提升資通作業環境及設備這個主要是怕走私那外溢的這個現象所以合計1500億總共加起來是4100億"},{"start":7194.777,"end":7206.381,"text":"是 因為在場委員也有提的版本那我說的第一項的250億的部分是關於就是金融支持那他所提的是救農"},{"start":7209.926,"end":7217.23,"text":"他所提的是就農業跟地方產業的金融支持的部分那不曉得就是說經濟部後來是怎麼樣子規劃因為過去在一開始討論的時候是就出口產業還有"},{"start":7226.739,"end":7241.31,"text":"我們在經濟部的110億裡面主要是在外銷貸款的保證減免保證的手續費最長兩年對中小微貸款利率減碼1.5%那是250萬以內最長是半年"},{"start":7247.034,"end":7273.831,"text":"那外銷貸款優惠保證加碼受美國關稅影響有出口時機而且營業額只要減少10%以上的進口廠商在出進口廠商通通受惠中小微企業多元發展的貸款直接或者間接受美國關稅的影響營業額少10%的中小微企業都受這樣的一個那所以就是"},{"start":7276.153,"end":7286.602,"text":"農業以及地方產業的金融基金支持也包含在這裡面嗎農業有另外農業的所以那沒有包含在裡面是不是好 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跟主席還有跟委員報告就是說基本上我們當時這個特別條例行政院版的設計就是有考量到因為關稅的高度不確定性所以我們有希望說針對這個不同的項目之間"},{"start":8091.389,"end":8117.469,"text":"可以不用受預算法62條跟63條留用的限制所以基本上我們就是有考量到到時候要因應這個隨著時間地也一直在變化的這個情境每一個項目它可能會支應的金額還是會存有不確定性所以針對就是說"},{"start":8120.495,"end":8140.638,"text":"民眾黨的這個版本就是說希望每一個項目不低於多少金額這樣的一個設計可能會到時候在支應的時候可能會有失掉它的這個彈性所以我們還是希望能夠支持行政院的版本"},{"start":8144.672,"end":8147.434,"text":"剛才王委員所問的還有金額的部分是否能夠寫在條例裡面"},{"start":8162.635,"end":8190.32,"text":"就是說一來就是說如果寫在條文他就因為他去綁他說至少要花多少錢這樣的概念可能就會有彈性上的問題另外我們也有擔心就是說因為我們財政紀律法是希望不要綁一定的比例或一定的金額啦所以我們才會說是不是盡量這個條文不要用這樣的一個設計的方式那如果不寫在條例裡面那要怎麼樣處理這一塊"},{"start":8192.84,"end":8212.359,"text":"因為我們現在就是說我們設計就是說4100億然後我們就做就是我們有在第三條有列舉這些項目嘛那但是這些項目屆時就因為我們這個關稅的對應的方式因為還是存有不確定性嘛"},{"start":8212.779,"end":8236.895,"text":"所以到底我們企業的這個貸款的利息補貼啦或者說我在照顧民生對民生的衝擊是多少其實這彼此之間都會隨著這個不確定性它的金額也可能會改變所以我們才會希望說每個項目之間的那個金額不要現在就把它確定是多少"},{"start":8238.056,"end":8262.423,"text":"當然我們到時候提出來的預算我們還是會有那個金額但是我們在條文的設計上就是說未來如果某一個項目跟我們現在預計的我們預計可能要花100億但是實際上它衝擊沒有原來那麼多可能花80億但是另外一個項目我低估了那我們這個剩的20億就可以去解決低估的那個項目"},{"start":8264.065,"end":8283.546,"text":"所以這是我們當時設計的一個概念所以就是說不會把就是金額名列在條文裡面就是細項的金額不去綁定但是總額4100億可以彈性的運用好 謝謝那現在請蔡易瑜委員"},{"start":8286.106,"end":8304.055,"text":"我建議主席 因為我們在處理條文的保留與否我們沒有辦法就該條的款次來說 第幾款通過 第幾款保留是沒有辦法這樣 因為它是做整個條文的處理"},{"start":8304.835,"end":8325.914,"text":"那事實上從早上11點一個小時大家的正義點在第三條就是核心的正義因為它涉及到這4100億必須怎麼使用那這個每一個黨團看起來有基礎的立場不一樣那行政院也有行政院的堅持那我建議是我們第三條就是保留"},{"start":8326.854,"end":8347.369,"text":"那再就單款說哪一款怎樣基本上條文我們也沒辦法做這樣的處理就是說第三條第一款保留第二款通過沒辦法這樣所以我們還是不是就直接第三條如果要保留的話我們就保留就全條文就保留現在請鄭天才委員"},{"start":8349.748,"end":8375.963,"text":"有關這個剛才這個農業部長所說的說明我來特別再強調一下這個因為在這個經濟部相關這些產業所受的影響所以它這個行政院版也有這個第三條的第四款支持勞工安定就業"},{"start":8377.063,"end":8399.665,"text":"是有針對勞工所以我才會在這個農業的部分除了產業的部分農業的產業的部分所以也特別針對這個對農民的一個支持協助在這邊特別一個說明另外就是本席的那個條文"},{"start":8400.846,"end":8428.001,"text":"第八款有針對一個益助援助民族綜合發展基金最主要就是因為這個基金本來是100多億那因為被違法挪用去作為禁法補償所以現在都已經是負的是負的所以這個過去被違法挪用的53億多將近54億希望這一次能夠把它"},{"start":8429.342,"end":8449.262,"text":"比照 比照健保跟勞保基金能夠也預注 預注54億那另外就是針對這個弱勢族群的第8款行政院版的第8款弱勢族群的部分 我把它名列這個低收入戶 中低收入戶 身心障礙者"},{"start":8450.023,"end":8468.381,"text":"及原住民等這個弱勢族群那另外當然國民黨版的裡面有特別提到這個所有的人民應該為了為了這次的那個相關的這些關稅問題相關的人民應該也要這個普發現金這個部分"},{"start":8469.301,"end":8492.119,"text":"那另外就是我的修正動議剛才有做了一些說明修正動議的部分就是為了營運這個行政違法這個刪減一般性補助款跟那個原住民的基本設施維持費但是我雖然列了這個項目在這裡但是在第五條之一有特別明定"},{"start":8492.619,"end":8492.659,"text":"現在請張啓凱委員"},{"start":8507.813,"end":8525.75,"text":"就是特別預算據行政院提出來是大概畫了一個上限大概是4100億左右那台灣民眾黨提出的這每個項目都是有經過精算的就是差不多也是4100億左右我們把它移出了某一些就是在因應高關稅這個930億這個我們不只是支持我們還增加了這個預算"},{"start":8529.639,"end":8551.563,"text":"那我們把它移出去的最主要一個是已經被立法院刪掉的我們認為後來灌水灌在這邊不理想的一千億的台電的這個撥補我們很期待台電可以自己做一些改革包括你們現在開始在賣那個RE30多賣一點現在產業急著要綠電啊多一些你們那個收入就可以增加的資本不要急著要去用撥補或者用漲電價來解決這個問題這個一千億移出去另外呢"},{"start":8554.904,"end":8579.865,"text":"有本來在年度預算裡面的包括老舊的這個房屋的這個修建這部分今天教育部長也在包括這個強化高等教育人才培育這200億這個本來在年度預算裡面就有啦我們會支持可是請回到請回到從4100億特別條例特別預算回到年度預算裡面還有剛剛一直在討論的國土的安全韌性這個回到年度預算裡面去就是該移出去的"},{"start":8580.485,"end":8587.072,"text":"讓他單純化是真的跟高關稅有關係的或整個社會跟經濟的衝擊面要怎麼去幫助的移出剛剛講的這部分然後我們增加的一個是普發現金還有幫助勞健保這個區塊然後甚至幫助一些弱勢者還有一般的家庭"},{"start":8596.681,"end":8597.361,"text":"我們現在是不是先休息五分鐘"},{"start":8633.2,"end":8662.739,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":8666.032,"end":8687.858,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":8696.253,"end":8708.579,"text":"中文字幕——YK"},{"start":8716.459,"end":8727.004,"text":"谢谢大家"},{"start":8744.923,"end":8761.954,"text":"謝謝觀賞"},{"start":8776.294,"end":8776.514,"text":"主席"},{"start":8807.827,"end":8807.867,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":8838.154,"end":8838.354,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":8887.753,"end":8887.953,"text":"等一等"},{"start":8899.936,"end":8913.026,"text":"不好意思我们刚好讨论比较久然后我们也还没有订便当所以是不是休息三十分钟让各部会去用餐玩我们继续协商"},{"start":8944.464,"end":8945.026,"text":"谢谢观看"},{"start":11398.268,"end":11413.339,"text":"好 現在繼續開會我們進行到第三條請經濟部經濟部發言過五個人次 張碧凱委員都發言過兩次王俊傑委員 蔡議員 鄭建才都發言過他們要發言"},{"start":11428.809,"end":11442.098,"text":"主席第三條剛剛都討論過了是不是都發言過了是不是先保留好那第三條大家都是不是都有意見那我們是不是就請保留各位委員好現在開始進行第四條"},{"start":11470.543,"end":11474.69,"text":"請經濟部先就行政院跟各黨團的版本做說明"},{"start":11484.591,"end":11512.394,"text":"主席各位委員大家好這第四條這個授權由相關機構訂定辦法規範措施的執行相關的事項我想這個幾位委員包括蔡易委員何新淳委員王美惠委員王振興委員國民黨版鄭天才委員賴思寶委員版徐宇貞版都跟行政院版是一樣的"},{"start":11513.615,"end":11536.829,"text":"那這個裡面呢民眾黨版是授權相關機關訂定辦法部分同行政院版然後另外民定要這個普發現金的不適用政府採購法的招標決標的規定翁小林版增加辦法需送立法院備查程序"},{"start":11538.45,"end":11552.056,"text":"賴瑞榮委員是授權相關機構訂定辦法部分同行政院版定規定主管機關的會診訂定統一執行的準則跟各位報告我想這個因為"},{"start":11554.617,"end":11577.792,"text":"行政院版未納入普發現金所以無法辦理普發現金的相關配套規定翁曉林委員提案要求機關訂定辦法需送立法院備查依現行法制作業程序各機關訂定之法規命令均會送立法院查照"},{"start":11578.792,"end":11606.682,"text":"所以無需於本條例明定需送立法院備查那麼關於內內容委員提案規定得由本部訂定統一執行準則考量各相關機關的措施辦理方式適用對象及應遵循事項均有差異那麼已由各機關相關機關視其所需制定辦法所以建請各位能夠支持行政院版本"},{"start":11609.104,"end":11629.878,"text":"好那因為這一條涉及到就是說發現金的相關的業務還有就是其他的就是國民黨民眾黨以及行政院版本是不一致的情況下那我們是不是全條保留全案保留現在進行第五條"},{"start":11637.272,"end":11660.158,"text":"主席各位委員第五條是談國土安全任性措施的採限制性招標排除採購法的公開招標限制性招標規定的限制那麼這個在蔡玉怡委員何新倫委員王美惠委員王振興委員版都是跟行政院版一樣"},{"start":11661.312,"end":11676.038,"text":"國民黨版、耐斯堡版、鄭天才委員版以及民眾黨版、翁曉寧版、徐宇貞委員版無強化國土安全任性的措施所以沒有這個規定"},{"start":11677.598,"end":11688.588,"text":"賴瑞榮委員版國土安全任性措施排除採購法部分同行政院版但要求應揭露採購標的類型及得標對象並依條約或協定辦理"},{"start":11695.171,"end":11711.979,"text":"那麼為使強化國土安全任性項目快速獲得所以行政院版明定相關採購得採限制性招標不受採購法有關公開招標及限制性招標規定之限制"},{"start":11714.055,"end":11736.87,"text":"賴瑞榮委員提案涉及國防部及海委會後續辦理採購時應遵循事項國防部海委會均表示相關採購會依採購法規定公開建議無需增訂建議由國防部海委會及工程會來表示意見所以建請同意行政院版"},{"start":11739.261,"end":11763.064,"text":"第五條因為涉及到就是國土安全任性的部分那因為只有行政院的版本有那國民黨團跟民眾黨團等都沒有這樣子的那我看今天也不會有共識就這個部分所以我們第五條全述所有的版本都保留"},{"start":11770.293,"end":11790.368,"text":"第六條是預算規模4100億 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跟主席跟會委員報告就是說他設計的概念只是說當我執行有剩餘的時候我可不可以給別人用那概念上他還是要有剩才會有流用的問題就是說如果沒有剩他也沒有辦法給別人用所以這樣的一個設計主要還是為了因應這個整個關稅的不確定性"},{"start":11953.743,"end":11966.731,"text":"所以目前我們看到很多版本也都同意有賦予它這個排除這個流用的限制那請問各黨團鄧天才委因為這個涉及到第三條因為第三條民眾黨團的條文就是把每一項"},{"start":11981.53,"end":11981.991,"text":"好 那民眾黨"},{"start":12001.451,"end":12015.263,"text":"黃珊珊委員對 現在主席我們剛剛就是正委員說的其實就是符合到第三 前面的規定那我們的版本其實有很明確的限制它的所以可能留院的部分我們還是沒有辦法同意"},{"start":12018.015,"end":12033.198,"text":"好那這樣子是就是行政院跟我們各委員版本都有不同然後黨團都表達了就是不同的意見那所以我們第五條也都全第六條也都全數保留他又提了一個"},{"start":12066.274,"end":12077.687,"text":"好 那因為現在有鄭天才委員所提的今天的修正動議第五條之一那我們也請經濟部表達意見"},{"start":12103.831,"end":12107.612,"text":"這題是請主席總書表示意見 副主席長主席跟各位委員報告那這個第五條之一就是為了那個一般性補助款636億的問題以及這個園民會計劃型補助有一個給鄉鎮市公所基本設施凍結50%的這個問題"},{"start":12133.839,"end":12152.484,"text":"這個第五條之一修憲動議是希望說是不是在這個特別條例裡面來用我們114年度的預算裡面屬於不是法律支出的或者是獎補助費或者是預備金來支應那以及那個"},{"start":12153.984,"end":12158.847,"text":"計劃型補助那個6.4億裡面的3.2億凍結的部分來來這邊納入這個條文由年度預算來處理那我們的立場就是說這個一般性補助款636億這個部分已經"},{"start":12172.754,"end":12188.263,"text":"做了很多的一個討論那目前初步可能比較多的共識是透過追加預算來辦理那這個項目跟我們這個今天這個特別條例主要是"},{"start":12189.364,"end":12214.68,"text":"整個關稅的意義似乎也比較不相這個關聯性比較沒那麼強所以我們還是希望說這個636億的部分來透過這個追加預算來辦理那至於這個基本設施這個3點53.2億的部分就我們了解原理會也已經會做處理所以我想基本上"},{"start":12215.64,"end":12231.007,"text":"只是不要放在這邊 但是該處理我想都已經有在處理當中 以上報告好 陳天泰委員有關之所以會把它放在這裡"},{"start":12233.018,"end":12261.757,"text":"本來應該是先討論第五條了啊也就是行政院版的第六條啊國民黨版的版本是第五條那個是4100億那第五條之一應該是在後面了好沒關係我們既然先談了那這個第五條之一我並沒有去動用這個4100億的特別預算的經費那之所以會放在這裡是因為在過去雖然財政委員會"},{"start":12263.578,"end":12291.655,"text":"有討論了然後民眾黨團議議法院的決議也討論了這個行政院一直沒有沒有提出很好的沒有依法啦 沒有依法來處理而且提到的竟然是針對這個對一般性補助款的要提追加預算的建議我是建議要倒過來"},{"start":12294.451,"end":12321.054,"text":"因為這個636億636億一般性的補助款依行政院的規定依財政收入方法所授權訂定的中央對地方政府的補助辦法這個都是法例義務支出法例義務支出立法院也沒有刪減"},{"start":12322.563,"end":12346.435,"text":"所以如果所謂的通案3減636億行政院如果竊有自愛難行應該是要就行政院以及中央各部會自己所要支用的這些經費有不足有困難那應該是要另外提追加預算所以應該要趕快撥這個"},{"start":12349.986,"end":12373.542,"text":"給地方政府的所以我們沒有別的方法了討論了你們都不提出好的一個那個合法的所以不得不要在這裡提出來你說完全沒有關係跟因應關稅那個勞保的基金也沒有關係啊所以這個部分這個部分我們可以來討論以上"},{"start":12377.23,"end":12395.359,"text":"好 蔡議員我們現在這個條文當然是就涉及到這次特別預算的規模那一樣是有委員的版本是不一樣的那大概金額的部分雖然"},{"start":12395.799,"end":12419.924,"text":"多數是匡列在4100億但是還是有不同的條文所以我想跟前幾條是不是又維持一樣的處理方式因為整個特別預算的使用項目以及預算規模這個可能都先保留留待未來整個後續的協商可能才會有比較效率的一個處理方式好 謝謝"},{"start":12421.158,"end":12439.534,"text":"好跟鄭天才委員做一下說明因為你的條次跟行政院的條次不一樣所以你的第五條是等同於行政院的第六條所以修正動議的五之一我們就放在這裡處理那因為就如同各位委員所說的"},{"start":12440.054,"end":12458.137,"text":"就是這一條關係到金額所以五條之一所提出的修正動議也跟行政院跟其他黨團的版本不一樣所以我們就予以保留再請院會寫上好 謝謝現在進行第七條"},{"start":12469.428,"end":12495.728,"text":"第七條是補助及其他給予的免稅不得強制執行那麼蔡英文委員 何欣淳委員 王美惠委員王振興委員 許宇貞委員 國民黨版鄭天才委員 翁曉琳委員 賴世保委員版都跟行政院版是一致的那民眾黨版 明訂本條例規定是政府領取之現金免稅"},{"start":12496.829,"end":12523.57,"text":"不得作為強制執行之標的民眾黨版並於該提案第六條明定領取普發現金之資格條件那麼賴最榮委員版有明定法令另有規定者不適用本條補助及其他給予免稅不得強制執行的規定那麼我們的這個行政院版是這樣民眾黨"},{"start":12525.014,"end":12552.731,"text":"提案因普發現金增加現金二制並且在該黨團提案第六條規定領取普發現金的資格條件行政院版未納入普發現金原無辦理普發現金的相關配套規定考量特別條例為了達到有效支持產業及國人的政策目的才特別規定補助及其他給予免稅"},{"start":12553.632,"end":12563.387,"text":"不得強制執行那任委員提案排除本條例規定恐不力達成政策目的建請支持行政院版本其他黨團黃珊珊委員"},{"start":12569.622,"end":12583.409,"text":"好 謝謝主席我想這個因為法條上面都是一環扣一環的所以我們這個部分內容上雖然一紙上跟其他黨團的是一樣但是因為我們牽涉到相關的其他的內容我們認為還是應該予以保留那國民黨團"},{"start":12590.414,"end":12607.703,"text":"民進黨團既然各黨團的意見與行政院版本都有相關的出入所以在沒有共識的情況下我們第七條所有版本跟修正動議均於保留我們現在接著討論民眾黨的第六條"},{"start":12621.787,"end":12645.637,"text":"請經濟部先報告這個報告主席這個我們剛才有說了就是民眾黨版與該提案第六條明定領取普發現金是資格條件所以這個與這個行政院版本這個有差異好民眾黨"},{"start":12647.861,"end":12668.214,"text":"好 謝謝主席我想這一條主要是因為既然有補發現金的項目所以我們是比照之前疫後的特別條例既然你要補發還是要有相關的資格限制所以我們把的把比照之前的內容跟資格都限制在這邊那既然大家有不同意見我們也是建議予以保留好 那國民黨的民進黨的好"},{"start":12678.831,"end":12705.159,"text":"好 那就是本條保留好 現在進行第八條第八條 各相關部會專案管考預算執行這一部分有蔡議員委員版 何欣淳委員版王美惠委員版 王振旭委員版賴瑞榮委員版 國民黨版鄭天才委員版 賴思寶委員版 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董事監事執行長或與該任職務相當之人及其關係人之利益迴避事項依公職人員利益衝突迴避法之規定辦理違反前項規定之本中心受有損害者行為人應對本中心負損害賠償責任第一項人員違反公職人員利益衝突迴避法之規定者除以該法規定處罰外監督機關並得為適當之處置其處置規定由監督機關定之宣讀完畢"},{"start":2389.434,"end":2402.566,"text":"照審查會條文通過,請宣讀第十七條。第十七條,董事堅持相互監督的有配偶或三親等一類血親姻親子關係,宣讀還必。照審查會條文通過,請宣讀第十八條。"},{"start":2403.328,"end":2431.33,"text":"第十八條 版中心至執行長一人專任由董事長提起董事會通過候聘任職結聘時一同執行長以版中心規章董事會自決議及董事長之授權執行版中心業務並督導所屬人員第九條 第一項是第四項第十十條 第四項第十七條 第十九條第二項 第三項第二十三條 第六款有關董事及董事長之規定於執行長准用之宣布完畢"},{"start":2432.179,"end":2452.674,"text":"照审查会条案通过请宣读第十九条第十九条本中心禁用这人员以本中心人事管理归商办理不具公务人员身份及权利业务关系应与契约中明定董事兼顺之配偶或其三亲等一类协亲应亲不得担任本中心总务会计及人事职务"},{"start":2453.214,"end":2474.633,"text":"董事長不得禁用即配偶或三星等以內血清陰清擔任本中心職務董事兼涉及本中心人員不得利用擔任本中心職務機會違背法令行賄及收賄並損害本中心信譽違反前項規定至本中心受有損害者行為人應對本中心負損害賠償責任宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過請宣讀第20條"},{"start":2479.059,"end":2502.168,"text":"第20條本中心人員應依涉密成都接受一般或特殊安全查核一般安全查核由監督機關依規定辦理涉及國家安全或重大利益之特殊安全查核應由監督機關會同相關機關辦理之對於規劃禁用之人員應先行辦理安全查核拒絕接受查核或查核未通過者應不予禁用"},{"start":2502.788,"end":2522.531,"text":"依法應實施安全查核 而待與辦理查核之相關金關人員 僅接送納者應移送監察院依法處理安全查核之適用對象程序內容究竟等相關事項之辦法 由監督金關會商有關金關定之宣讀完畢照審查核條例通過請宣讀第21條"},{"start":2523.84,"end":2552.013,"text":"第21條 本中心限職及離職後三年內人員應經監督經關許可時得出國境其他法令另有規定者從其規定前項鎖定人員之範圍順便精準 申請許可條件程序與費值 費值及其他相關事項之面法由監督經關定職 宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過 請宣讀第三章第三章業務及監督 宣讀完畢照審查會章名通過 請宣讀第22條"},{"start":2553.188,"end":2571.141,"text":"第二十二條本中心應擬定發展目標及計畫提供董事會通過後報請監督機關核定本中心應訂定年度營運計畫及其預算提供董事會通過後報請監督機關被查宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過請宣讀第二十三條"},{"start":2573.802,"end":2597.418,"text":"23.監督机关队本中心之监督权限如下,已发展目标及计划之核定,而官商年度营运计划与预算,年度执行成果及决算报告书之核定或备查,3.财务选及财务状况之检查,4.营运绩效之评鉴,5.董事监事聆聘解聘之建议,6.董事监事于执行业务违反法令时得为必要之处分。"},{"start":2598.038,"end":2617.471,"text":"其本中心有違反憲法法律法規命令時予以撤銷變更廢止限期改算停止執行或其他處分8.自由不動產處分的獲期設定負擔之核可9.其他依法律所為之監督宣讀IP照審查會條文通過請宣讀第24條"},{"start":2618.703,"end":2634.762,"text":"第二十四條監督經關應邀及有關經關代表學者專家及社會公正人士本禮本中心之績效評鑑其中學者專家及社會公正人士之人數不得少於三分之二前向評鑑人員任意席別不得少於總人數三分之一"},{"start":2635.302,"end":2636.263,"text":"照審查會條文通過請宣讀第四章"},{"start":2663.12,"end":2688.36,"text":"第四章会计及财务宣读完毕照审查会章名通过请宣读第25条第25条本中心会计年度应与政府会计年度一致本中心这会计制度依行政法人会计制度设置相关法规定定本中心财务报表应委请会计师进行查核签证宣读完毕照审查会条文通过请宣读第26条"},{"start":2689.582,"end":2691.243,"text":"照審查會條文通過請宣讀第27條"},{"start":2719.488,"end":2735.631,"text":"第二十七條本中心成立年度之政府合併經費得由監督機關在原預算範圍內調整營運不受預算法第六十二條及第六十三條規定之限制宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過請宣讀第二十八條"},{"start":2736.365,"end":2763.798,"text":"第28條政府金關購合撥本中心追金費應依法定預算程序辦理並受損失監督前項金費超過本中心當年度預算收入來源50%者應由監督金關將本中心年度預算贖送立法院審議本中心自主裁員及其運用管理相關訊箱由本中心訂定收信管理規章報請監督金關核定宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過請宣讀第29條"},{"start":2764.997,"end":2788.633,"text":"第29條本中心因業務必要使用之公有財政的架構或由政府機關構採捐贈出租或無償提供使用方式為之採捐贈者不受土地法第25條國有財政法第28條第60條及地方政府工程管理法令相關規定之限制前項架構公有土地之架款以當即公有土地限制為準"},{"start":2789.133,"end":2806.941,"text":"地上建筑改良物质架管以税捐基准机关提供之当年其评定限制为准无该当年其评定限制者以工程管理机关估价结货为准本中心以政府机关购合拨经费决定用途所购置之财产为公有财产"},{"start":2807.561,"end":2827.053,"text":"第一項出租無償提供使用及前項是公有財產以外由本中心取得之財產為自有財產第一項無償提供使用及第三項是公有財產由本中心登記為管理人所生之收益列為本中心之收入不受公有財產法第七條第一項及地方"},{"start":2827.893,"end":2851.425,"text":"政府公产管理法令相关规定之限制及管理使用收益等相关事项事本法由监督机关定之公有财产用途废止时应移交各级政府公产管理机关接管本中心接受捐赠职工有不动产不需使用时应会还原捐赠机关购不得任意处分宣读完毕赵审裁会条文通过请宣读第30条"},{"start":2852.54,"end":2873.616,"text":"第三十條 本中心屬舉借之債務以具自償性值者為限 並先送監督青萬核定預算執行結果如有不能自償之餘時 應請檢討提出改善措施 報請監督青萬核定宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過 請宣讀第三十一條"},{"start":2874.465,"end":2902.504,"text":"第三十一条本中心之采购作业以本公开公平之原则除符合五国定权之条约协定或政府采购法第四条第一项锁定情形应依各个规定办理外不信用政府采购法之规定其采购作业实施规章应报警监督境外核定且向应依政府采购法第四条第一项规定办理之采购与其他法律另有规定者从其规定宣读完毕照审查会条文"},{"start":2903.157,"end":2903.601,"text":"通過請宣讀第32條"},{"start":2905.902,"end":2931.256,"text":"第32條本中心相關資訊應依政府資訊公開法相關規定公開之其年度財務報表年度營運資訊及年度績效評鑑報告應主動公開前項年度績效評鑑報告應由監督機關提交分析報告送入立法院被查必要時立法院的要求監督機關首長率同本中心之董事長執行長或相關主管之立法院報告營運狀況並備詢宣讀完畢"},{"start":2934.398,"end":2962.171,"text":"照審查會條文通過委員徐宇貞等提案第三十三條不予採納請宣讀第五章第五章負責宣讀完畢照審查會章名通過請宣讀第三十三條第三十三條對於本中心居行證處分不符者得依訴願法規定向監督機關提起訴願宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過請宣讀第三十四條"},{"start":2963.007,"end":2991.286,"text":"第34條本中心因情勢變更或績效不彰之不能達成設立目的時由監督機關提請行政院同意後解散之本中心解散時其人員應終止契約其剩餘財產歸屬國庫其相關債務由監督機關概括承受宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過請宣讀第35條第35條本條例涉行日期由行政院定之宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過"},{"start":2992.748,"end":2995.113,"text":"全案經過二讀現有民進黨黨團提議繼續進行三讀請問院會有一沒有一請宣讀經過二讀之條文"},{"start":3003.154,"end":3028.844,"text":"国家海洋科技营运中心设施条例第一章总则第一条为提升我国海洋科技能力后置海洋科技研究能量特设国家海洋科技营运中心以下检讯本中心并制定本条例第二条本中心为勤选法人其监督经文为海洋委员会海洋委员会的指定专责机关购读到本中心业务"},{"start":3031.038,"end":3058.352,"text":"第三條 本中心業務範圍如下一 海洋調查及實驗技術之研究開發二 國家海洋調查船國家船模實驗室多功能水槽及其他海洋科技設置之營運管理三 海洋科技專業人才之協助培育四 海洋科技國際合作及交流之促進五 學校文化資產調查之協助六 受多辦理海洋研究調查及船模技術相關業務"},{"start":3060.376,"end":3066.193,"text":"7.經監督機關指示辦理海洋研究調查相關業務8.其他與海洋科技相關之業務"},{"start":3068.482,"end":3096.179,"text":"第四条本中心经费来源如下一政府职合波及捐补助二国内外公司立机构团体及个人之捐赠三受托研究及提供服务之收入四营运及研发整合收入五其他收入前项第一款政府补助包括人事费建筑物与固定设备之重要实时维修购置费及其他特殊维修计划等所需经费第一项第二款捐赠是同对政府之捐赠"},{"start":3098.311,"end":3119.264,"text":"第五條本中心應訂定組織長程人事管理關係制度內部控制集合作業及其他規章提經董事會通過後報請監督機關被查本中心就其執行之公共事務在不提出有關法律或法規命令之範圍內得訂定規章並提經董事會通過後報請監督機關被查"},{"start":3122.403,"end":3149.95,"text":"第二章 组织第六条本中心社董事会致董事许一人至十五人有监督金管局下令人员临选提请行政院院长聘任之结聘时一同一 政府相关金管局代表二 海洋及船部研究法律财务相关之学者专家请向第一款董事不得低于董事总人数二分之一第一项董事任意纪别不得少于总人数三分之一"},{"start":3151.57,"end":3173.668,"text":"第七条,本中心制监视三人之五人,由监督监管局下列人员临选提请行政院院长聘任之,结聘时一同,一,政府相关机关各代表,二,海洋及船舶研究、法律、会计或财务相关之学者专家,监视应候选一人为常务监视,第一项监视任意性别不达少于总人数三分之一。"},{"start":3176.484,"end":3186.034,"text":"8.董事兼学生即为三年期满得续聘一次,续聘人员应达其总人数三分之一以上,并不得于其总人数三分之二。1."},{"start":3186.034,"end":3195.544,"text":"第六条第一项第一款及前条第一项第一款规定,代表政府及官购出任时董事兼事应依其职务异动改聘。"},{"start":3196.044,"end":3212.597,"text":"無送結項續聘次數之限制依第六條第一項第二款及前條第一項第二款規定聘任之董事監事任其屆滿前出缺者由監督機關領選提請行政院院長補聘之其任其原任者任其屆滿為之"},{"start":3215.89,"end":3240.888,"text":"9.有下列前世之因者不得聘人为董事监事1.受监护宣告或辅助宣告尚未撤销2.受有期徒刑刑事判决确定而未受缓刑之宣告3.受破产宣告或依消费者债务经理条例经法院裁定开水清算程序尚未复权4.持多公权尚未复权5.第二条安全查核未通过或拒绝接受查核"},{"start":3241.508,"end":3269.466,"text":"董事监事有前向情形之一或无故连续不出席练习董事会会议达三次者应予解聘董事监事有下列情势之一者得予解聘一 行为不简或平心不端最影响本中心形象有确实证据二 工作执行不力或代付职责有具体事实或违反聘愿情节重大三 当届日本中心年度绩效凭借连续二年未达监督机关锁定标准"},{"start":3271.047,"end":3299.233,"text":"4.違反公務人員行政中立法律情勢有確實證據5.就主委實踐接受關稅或請託或利用情婚息接受招待或會贈至損害公益或本中心利益有確實證據6.非應勤務者需要動用本中心財產有確實證據及違反第16條第一項或第17條利益迴避規定有確實證據8.其他不是任董事監視職位之行為傑向情形"},{"start":3299.793,"end":3317.951,"text":"接觸金官於解聘前應給予當事人陳述意見及順便之機會本中新董事兼受著領聘、解聘、補聘之方式及其他生活市場資本法由接觸金官定職第十條本中新制董事長一人由接觸金官就董事中"},{"start":3319.502,"end":3322.585,"text":"请不吝点赞 订阅 转发 打赏支持明镜与点点栏目"},{"start":3340.843,"end":3358.215,"text":"董事长出任年龄不得于六十五岁任期届满前年满七十岁者应急更换但有特殊考量经行政院核准者不在此限第十一条本中心董事长董事常务监事及监事均为无起职"},{"start":3359.915,"end":3385.223,"text":"第十二条 董事会职权如下一 发展目标及计划之审议二 年度营运计划之审议三 经费之筹募及预算之分配四 年度预算及决算之审议五 规章之审议六 自有不动产处分或其设定负担之审议七 执行长职任免八 本条例锁定应经董事会决议事项之审议九 其他重大事项之审议"},{"start":3387.778,"end":3406.364,"text":"13.董事会每三个月开会一次,必要时得撞开临时会议,由董事长重疾病担任主席。董事会会议应有误半数董事之出席,其决议应由出席董事过半数之统议,但减条第一款制第八款制决议应有董事总人数过半数之统议。"},{"start":3408.564,"end":3427.254,"text":"第十四条监视职权如下一年度营运决算之审核二营运财务状况之监督三财务政策文件及猜测资料之集合四其他重大事项之审核或集合监视单独行使职权常务监视应代表全体监视列席董事会会议"},{"start":3430.073,"end":3438.096,"text":"15.董事常務監事應親自出席列席董事會會議,不得委託他人代理出席。16."},{"start":3438.096,"end":3446.699,"text":"董事監事執行長或與該職務相當之人及其關係人之利益迴避,須向依公職員利益衝突迴避法規定辦理。"},{"start":3447.879,"end":3461.868,"text":"違反前項規定之本中心受有損害者行為人應對本中心負損害賠償責任第一項人員違反公職員利益衝突迴避法之規定者處以該法規定處方位監督機關並等為順當之處置其處置規定由監督機關定之"},{"start":3466.926,"end":3482.028,"text":"第十七條 董事堅持相互簽不得要配偶或餐刑等一類血清陰棄之關係第十八條 本中心制執行長一人專任由董事長提請董事會通過後聘任之解聘時一同"},{"start":3482.629,"end":3502.192,"text":"执行者以本中心规章董事会之决议及董事长之授权执行本中心业务并督导所属人员第9条第1项是第4项第10条第4项第17条第19条第2项第3项第23条第6款有关董事及董事长之规定于执行长准用之"},{"start":3503.613,"end":3521.389,"text":"第十九条本中心禁用者人员依本中心人事管理规章本理不具公务人员身份其权利业务关系应于7月中明定董事兼须支配有获其三金等一类写信应清不得担任本中心总务会计及人事职务"},{"start":3521.929,"end":3541.466,"text":"董事长不得禁用其配偶或三亲等一类血亲姻亲担任本中心职务董事坚持及本中心人员不得利用担任本中心职务机会违背法令行贿结收会并损害本中心信誉违反前项规定制本中心受有损害者行为人应对本中心负损害赔偿责任"},{"start":3542.987,"end":3566.969,"text":"第二十条本中心人员应依涉密程度接受一般或特殊安全查核一般安全查核由监督机关依规定办理涉及国家安全或重大利益之特殊安全查核应由监督机关会同相关机关办理之对于规划禁用之人员应先行办理安全查核拒绝接受查核或查核未通过者应不予禁用"},{"start":3567.709,"end":3583.415,"text":"依法应随时安全场合而待于办理场合之相关机关人员请结束纳者应移送监察院依法处理安全场合之使用对象程序内容救济等相关事项执办方由京都机关会商有关机关定制"},{"start":3586.677,"end":3603.106,"text":"21.本中心限职及离职后三年内人员应经监督机关许可,使得出国境,其当法令另有规定者从其规定,前项所定于之范围,顺利基准申请许可条件,程序费者及其他相关之本法由监督机关定之。"},{"start":3604.987,"end":3622.392,"text":"第三章 业务及监督第二十二条 本中心应拧定方船目标及计划提经董事会通过后报请监督机关核定本中心应订定年度营运计划及其预算提经董事会通过后报请监督机关备查"},{"start":3625.132,"end":3641.977,"text":"23.监督机关被诊对本中心之监督权限如下。1.发展目标及计划之核定。2.规章年度营运计划与预算。年度执行成果及决算报告书之核定与或被查。3.裁选及财务状况之检查。"},{"start":3642.937,"end":3667.459,"text":"四 营运绩效之凭借五 董事监视领聘解聘之建议六 董事监视于执行业务违反法令时等为必要之处分七 本中心有违反宪法法律法规命令时予以撤销变更废止限制改善停止执行或其他处分八 自有不动产处分或其设定负担之核可九 其他依法律所为之监督"},{"start":3669.113,"end":3691.776,"text":"第24條監督機關應邀請有關機關代表學者專家及社會公正人士辦理本中心之績效評鑑其中學者專家及社會公正人士之人數不得少於三分之二前項評鑑成員任意性別不得少於總人數三分之一第一項績效評鑑之內容如下依本中心年度執行成果之考核"},{"start":3692.736,"end":3710.851,"text":"2.本中心營運績效及目標達成率之評量3.本中心年度自償款比率達成率4.本中心積費和模式建議5.其他有關事項第一項績效評鑑之方式程序及其他相關事項是辦法由監督機關定職"},{"start":3713.772,"end":3731.058,"text":"第四章会计及财务第25条本中心会计年度应与政府会计年度一致本中心之会计制度依行政法人会计制度设置相关法规定定本中心财务报表应违禁会计税进行查核签证"},{"start":3732.559,"end":3756.54,"text":"第26条本中心于会计年度终了后三个月内应将年度执行成果局决算报告书委托会计学生查核签证提经董事会审议拼经全体监视通过后报警监督机关被查并送审计机关前项决算报告审计机关得审计之审计结果得送监督机关或其他审计机关为必要之处理"},{"start":3758.14,"end":3772.339,"text":"第二十七條本中心成立年度之政府合佈經費得由監督金關在原預算範圍內因應調調整因應服務預算法第六十二條及第六十三條規定之限制"},{"start":3774.195,"end":3798.325,"text":"第28條政府機關共合撥本中心之經費應依法定預算程序辦理並受審計監督傾向經費充補本中心當年度預算收入來源50%者應由監督機關將本中心年度預算書送立法院審議本中心自主裁員及其運用管理相關事項由本中心訂定收視管理規章報請監督機關核定"},{"start":3801.724,"end":3825.841,"text":"第29條本中心因業務必要使用時公有財產能加額或由政府機關購在捐贈出租或武藏提供使用方式為之在捐贈者不受土地法第25條國有財產法第28條第60條及地方政府工廠管理法令相關規定之限制"},{"start":3827.392,"end":3843.329,"text":"前项架构公有土地之占款以当其公告土地限制为准地上建筑改良物质占款以税捐基金机关提供之当年其评定限制为准无该当年其评定限制者以公产管理机关估价结果为准"},{"start":3844.861,"end":3873.121,"text":"本中心以政府機關購合撥經費指定用途所購置之財產為公有財產第一項出租無償提供使用及前項之公有財產以外由本中心取得之財產為自有財產第一項無償提供使用及第三項之公有財產由本中心登記為管理人所申請收益列為本中心之收入不受公有財產法第七條第一項及地方政府公產管理法令相關規定之限制"},{"start":3873.721,"end":3891.23,"text":"及管理使用收益等相关市场之办法由监督机关定之公有财产用途废止时应移交各级政府工程管理机关接管本中心接受捐赠职工有不动产不需使用时应归还原捐赠机关后不得任意处分"},{"start":3893.325,"end":3908.369,"text":"第三选条,本中心所举借之债务,以具自传性主角为限,并先送监督机关核定,预算执行结果如有不能自传之余时,应其检讨提出改善措施报警监督机关核定。"},{"start":3911.007,"end":3937.184,"text":"第三十一条,本中心之采购作业因本公开公平之原则,除符合五国地决之条约协定或政府采购法第四条第一项锁定情形,因依各干规定办理外,不是用政府采购法之规定,其采购作业实施规章应报警监督机关核定,且向因依政府采购法第四条第一项规定办理之采购,与其他法律另有规定者从其规定。"},{"start":3938.735,"end":3964.595,"text":"第32條板中心相關資訊應依政府資訊公開法相關規定公開之其年度財務報表年度營運資訊及年度績效評鑑報告應主動公開傾向年度績效評鑑報告應由監督機關提交分析報告送立法院備查必要時立法院得要求監督機關首長率同板中心之董事長執行長或相關主管至立法院報告營運狀況並備詢"},{"start":3968.888,"end":3977.963,"text":"第五章 負責第33條對於本中心之行政處分不符者本因訴願法之規定向監督機關提起訴願"},{"start":3980.768,"end":4006.007,"text":"第34條本中心因情勢變更或績效不彰之不能打算設立目的時由監督機關提請行政院同意後解散之本中心解散時其人員應終止契約其剩餘參選歸屬國庫其相關債務由監督機關概括承受第35條本條例實行日期由行政院定之宣讀完畢"},{"start":4007.133,"end":4027.189,"text":"報告院會三讀條文已宣讀完畢請問院會有文字修正沒有文字修正決議國家海洋科技營運中心設置條例制定通過繼續處理審查會所作之附帶決議請議事人員宣讀附帶決議之內容"},{"start":4031.087,"end":4055.817,"text":"通過附帶決議一項請國家海洋科技運營中心於訂定國家海洋科技運營中心人員安全查核辦法時處對經用人員於聘用前應通過安全查核外應將有關認同一植物滿一定期限內應重新辦理查核之制度納入該辦法以避免機敏資料外洩 宣讀完畢"},{"start":4058.158,"end":4079.304,"text":"請問院會有無異議決定照案通過本案完成立法程序後由委員登記發言每位委員時間兩分鐘並截止登記首先請登記第一位發言的羅廷偉委員發言羅廷偉委員不在我們請黃國昌委員發言"},{"start":4097.52,"end":4106.573,"text":"台灣是一個四面黃海的國家對台灣而言海洋的資源海洋的資訊至關重要"},{"start":4108.243,"end":4133.339,"text":"今天本院終於三讀完成國家海洋科技營運中心設置條例我們透過用行政法人的方式能夠兼顧在探索海洋資源海洋科技跟海洋資訊的同時能夠滿足到自主經營專業管理這樣的需求"},{"start":4135.06,"end":4146.687,"text":"台灣民眾黨對於國家海洋科技營運中心我們支持也提出了我們對應的草案我們要提醒的是說"},{"start":4148.413,"end":4164.835,"text":"在針對有關於海洋的資訊進行蒐集的時候牽涉到的不僅僅是我們海洋資源的開發海洋資源的保護永續發展的進行也會牽涉到我們的國防安全"},{"start":4166.107,"end":4187.61,"text":"正是因為這個樣子當以行政法人的方式來加以組織而這個中心的人員不具備公務人員任用法的公務人員資格的時候台灣民眾黨有鑒於過去這段時間當中我們的執政黨、府院黨高層怎麼樣被共諜滲漏"},{"start":4189.091,"end":4196.245,"text":"才讓全體國人驚覺到原來一般茶盒到特殊茶盒該做的都沒有做"},{"start":4197.287,"end":4220.915,"text":"所以相對於行政院所提出來的版本台灣民眾黨提出的版本在第20條針對一般茶盒跟特殊安全茶盒我們做了嚴密的規範也感謝各位委員的支持最後支持台灣民眾黨通過的條文希望未來海洋科技營運中心的營運能夠滿足"},{"start":4226.53,"end":4230.397,"text":"好 謝謝黃委員下一位請麥玉珍委員發言"},{"start":4242.199,"end":4270.434,"text":"主席各位親愛的家人大家好今天立法三途通過國家海洋科技營運中心設立條例我們表示肯定與支持這是台灣向海洋國家邁進的重要一步更是兼顧發展與安全的戰略起點台灣民眾黨支持高度重視海洋科技的國家戰略地位我們強調推動海洋科"},{"start":4271.134,"end":4290.212,"text":"科研整合場觀學研資源之外國家安全絕不能被疏忽因此我們黨團在審查過程中特別主張納入特殊安全查核機制最後也獲得各黨的支持"},{"start":4290.692,"end":4307.585,"text":"成功寫入第20條根據條文未來中心人員章1涉密程度接收查核涉及國安或重大利益者更須具東歐機制嚴審嚴謹"},{"start":4311.673,"end":4337.396,"text":"未通過查核和拒絕配合者不得禁用這不僅是防線更是對國家科研主權的守護我們堅信科技發展不能與國安風險脫鉤尤其本中新章掌握數據調查船海洋數據船模設計等敏感產業"},{"start":4339.71,"end":4366.257,"text":"而若安全把關就留下破口台灣民眾黨主張開放與防護並重讓我們辛苦累積的成果不倫為外部勢力的標靶此外我們也強調本中心作為行政法人必須專業具彈性發揮橫向整合於國際街委中規的角色真正"},{"start":4394.535,"end":4394.575,"text":"好 謝謝麥委員"},{"start":4397.392,"end":4398.841,"text":"下一位請徐宇貞委員發言"},{"start":4414.451,"end":4442.347,"text":"主席各位同仁大家早台灣四面環海但長期以來海洋相關的科技發展資料管理傳播資源的調度以及設施的營運往往都有不同的單位來進行彼此之間缺乏協調的機制效率不彰而面對氣候變遷能源轉型區域安全等日益複雜的國際挑戰台灣急需要一個可以整合技術執行任務回應國際趨勢的海洋科技平台"},{"start":4442.907,"end":4459.161,"text":"而今天立法院三讀通過的國家海洋科技營運中心的設置條例就是希望能夠建立一個具彈性運作的法人機構回應各界強化海洋調查與研究能力的期待本次立法透過行政法人制度的設立"},{"start":4460.442,"end":4483.15,"text":"赋予该中心一定的制度弹性与组织的自主性实行人在海洋调查、传播技术管理、专业人才的培育以及国际合作上的业务具备更强的任务导向与执行能力但是立法只是一个开始未来的执行成效才是关键未来该中心的设立过程中本席会密切关注几个重点"},{"start":4483.53,"end":4500.051,"text":"第一是否能真正整合現有的海洋調查資源與設備消除部門本位主義與行政的重疊第二是否能建立有效的人才機制讓研究者能安心投入發揮所長第三是否能建立與業界學術界"},{"start":4501.773,"end":4529.868,"text":"合作模式讓技術成果能夠真正的應用於社會此外中興未來的財務規模與經費也將成為社會關注的焦點每筆預算的支出都應該有它的績效指標與成果驗證這不只是對行政單位的基本要求也是我們作為立法委員對納稅人的負責的態度我們也將在未來審查預算跟業務報告中嚴格要求相關單位提出具體的成效與透明的資訊"},{"start":4530.788,"end":4534.19,"text":"因為每一分國家投入的資源都應帶來具體的改變與成果"},{"start":4558.874,"end":4577.899,"text":"主席各位同仁大家好今天国家海洋科技营运中心设置条例顺利三读通过象征我国在迈向海洋国家的愿景道路上跨出很关键的一步这是一个以制度回应战略现实以科技奠定国家未来的发展一个很重要的宣示"},{"start":4578.759,"end":4594.633,"text":"當全球地緣政治板塊劇烈重組氣候危機與區域安全風險疊加升溫台灣要立足國際掌握主動強化海洋科技的能量與整合基礎資料系統已經是不可迴避的戰略任務"},{"start":4595.834,"end":4611.855,"text":"台灣四面環海但長期以來我們對海洋的了解都停留在災害防治與資源利用欠缺整體的國家級海洋戰略視野海洋研究資源分散在各部會缺乏整合的指揮體系導致科研船閒置"},{"start":4613.337,"end":4638.36,"text":"資料重複成果難以轉化成為政策工具形成治理效率跟科技發展的雙重瓶頸這個法案的通過在於設置專責的行政法人國家海洋科技營運中心來統籌調查船的營運實驗設施的管理海洋資料平台建構跟跨部會技術的任務以科技為核心強化全國的這個海洋治理"},{"start":4638.72,"end":4666.722,"text":"制度韧性與戰略縱深更深一層的意涵是我們回應了台灣海洋文化多年來的斷裂的現實困境我們自稱海洋國家但社會對於海洋的歷史脈絡文化意涵跟地緣角色的缺乏認知可以透過此次的立法將海洋知識導入教育體系與公民文化的建構使海洋不是只有邊陲意象而是社會集體想像的戰略實踐的核心"},{"start":4667.563,"end":4682.56,"text":"放眼全球日本海洋基本法到歐洲的藍色經濟戰略都將海洋視為國家競爭力與主權維繫的戰略核心我們在印太戰略格局當中應該以技術治理架構讓海洋不再是邊陲我們要"},{"start":4685.779,"end":4702.639,"text":"在這場非經濟海洋,從世上真正的事實海洋,開頭的貴賓就總是遇到無人心懷,轉化了生命與國民志士,與自主能力的現代人和家人。這不只是特定的幾乎不可見,但是有國家的同時深化,與戰略的國人之間的脫口戰爭。"},{"start":4707.356,"end":4719.073,"text":"好 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違反立學習條例第四項規定 為共同成立或加入集中式資料庫管理機構十七 違反主管機關異地學習條例第五項鎖定辦法有關集中式資料庫管理機構隨時管理或限職之規定十八 違反立學習條例第一項規定 為定定定型化"},{"start":4999.655,"end":5018.841,"text":"服务契约条款或于实施前变更时未经主管机关核准19 违反第18条规定为定期办理服务品质自我评鉴或为公募评鉴结果20 违反第19条规定未应限送主管机关核准期消费者保护处置方式"},{"start":5019.301,"end":5037.772,"text":"或為一線通知使用者二十一違反第二十條第一項規定為共同設立電信消費爭議處理機構或為提報其組織商城經主管機關核准二十二違反主管機關議題二十條第四項規定之認定為委託電信消費爭議處理機構辦理電信消費爭議事項"},{"start":5042.534,"end":5050.197,"text":"23.違反主管機關1第20條第5項規定之認定,為加入電信消費爭議處理機構24.違反主管機關1第24條規定之指定,為提供電信普及服務25.違反第25條第1項規定,為申報或違依主管機關公告時格式方式申報"},{"start":5064.342,"end":5089.68,"text":"電信消費爭議處理機構有下列情形之一者除新台幣10萬元以上100萬元相還款並通知限期改正皆其為改正者得按次處罰依違反第20條第三項規定組織章程變更時未經核准即實施二違反主管機關一第20條第七項所定辦法有關義務執行之監督管理之規定宣讀完畢"},{"start":5091.499,"end":5094.922,"text":"照審查會條文通過全案經過二讀現有民進黨黨團提議繼續進行三讀請問院會有無異議沒有異議請宣讀經過二讀之條文"},{"start":5103.427,"end":5124.141,"text":"第五条 提供电信服务且有下列行为之一者应向主管机关办理电信事业者登记一 与他电信事业进行互联线上或申请裁决二 申请核配第56条规定完之无线电频率三 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违反第十条规定正底或终止营业前唯一线索备查对外公干货通知用户其违反第十一条第一项规定未及公干货据实通报"},{"start":5230.62,"end":5253.687,"text":"8.違反主管機關1第11條第二項鎖定辦法有關通報之範圍或方式之規定9.違反第13條第一項規定無正當理由拒絕互聯協商10.違反第13條第三項規定未採取適當之保密措施11.違反第13條第四項規定便跟前未通知與其互聯之電信使用12.違反第13條第五項規定"},{"start":5257.728,"end":5272.335,"text":"接續或轉接未辦理電信事業登記者提供之語音服務十三違反第十四條規定未提供免費緊急通信服務十四違反第十五條第一線規定未訂立自通安全維護"},{"start":5274.076,"end":5302.463,"text":"計劃或違反計劃實施15違反第16條第1項規定為提供號碼可吸服務或平等接取服務16違反第16條第4項規定為共同成立或加入集中式資料庫管理機構17違反主管機關1第16條第5項鎖定辦法有關集中式資料庫管理機構設置管理或限制之規定18違反第17條第1項規定為訂定定行"},{"start":5303.363,"end":5310.006,"text":"化服务契约条款或于实施前变更时未经主管机关核准19."},{"start":5310.006,"end":5317.268,"text":"违反第18条规定为定期办理服务品质自我评鉴或为公募评鉴结果20."},{"start":5317.268,"end":5323.591,"text":"违反第19条规定为应线送主管机关核准其消费者保护处置方式"},{"start":5324.091,"end":5339.599,"text":"或為一線同職使用者21.違反第20條第一項規定為共同設立電信消費專業處理機構或為諜報企組織張誠經主管計劃核准22.違反主管計劃1第20條第4項規定之認定為委託電信消費專業處理機構辦理電信消費專業事項23.違反主管計劃1第20條第5項規定之"},{"start":5352.365,"end":5370.158,"text":"认定未加入电信消费专业处理机构24.违反主管机关一第24条规定之指定未提供电信普及服务25.违反第25条第一项规定未申报或未依主管机关公告之格是方式申报"},{"start":5370.638,"end":5371.218,"text":"宣讀完毕"},{"start":5402.438,"end":5420.47,"text":"法院會三讀條文已宣讀完畢請問院會有無文字修正無文字修正決議電信管理法第五條及第七十九條條文修正通過繼續處理審查會所作之附帶決議請議事人員宣讀附帶決議之內容"},{"start":5423.643,"end":5452.036,"text":"通過附帶決議一項電信管理法修正條文第五條施行後主管機關應考量業者既有之權利義務與法定負擔橫著比例原則橫平原則參採業者意見與實際管理需要後訂定分級管理制度以落實對電信業者之管理提升打造效能並兼顧產業發展之所需宣讀完畢請問院會有異議沒有異議決定照案通過"},{"start":5453.191,"end":5463.404,"text":"本案完成立法程序後由委員登記發言每位委員發言時間兩分鐘並截止登記第一位請黃建豪委員發言"},{"start":5477.864,"end":5496.51,"text":"好謝謝主席各位同仁我想今天通過電信法管理條文明定第二類電信業者應該向主管機關也就是NCC辦理電信事業登記那這個項目包含了提供用戶接取網路服務業IASB業者以及批發轉售各種用戶號碼經營虛擬"},{"start":5499.091,"end":5526.978,"text":"行動網路服務的MVNO業者都需要登記為電信事業今天的修法的目的過去我們強調打炸的時候我們強調的是懲罰今天的修法目的強調的是預防為什麼我們需要把第二類電信納管呢因為從民國109年電信法廢止之後由電信管理法取代但是電信法時代本來有納管二類電信但到了電管法的時代NCC就不納管了"},{"start":5527.438,"end":5541.968,"text":"那當時的目的當然本來是希望二類電信能夠有更多創新經營的模式發展更多不同業務可是這個鬆綁卻給了詐騙集團非常好的利用的機會跟空間從電子組偵辦電信網路詐欺的案件數量來看"},{"start":5544.71,"end":5554.413,"text":"109年電信法落日之後開始每年電信網路詐欺案件飛速增加從110年的98256件110年16803件112年229711件到113年167932件可以說台灣近年的電信詐欺案件不斷攀高的原因很大一部分就來自這個電信法的鬆綁"},{"start":5570.538,"end":5586.913,"text":"那相信透過今天的修法之後我們期待未來二類電信設炸的問題還有全國的電信詐騙案件都能夠有效明顯的降低未來這些相關的上述的二類電信業者也全部要依電信法納入管理所有的業者"},{"start":5587.313,"end":5602.781,"text":"還有相關的服務都應該要落實實名制的相關登記我想本席從當立委以來一直非常關注打詐議題提出相關的修法目的就是為了保護我們人民的基本的生命財產安全不要再受到詐騙集團的好 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