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謝謝主席和各位委員那這邊我大概先講一下那個台北會館的部分因為牽涉到12月的時候有開工的問題所以我們如果這邊做成決議說這個部分我們可能還要再檢討那因為檢討的時候會牽涉到這個可能結構問題還要不要結構鑑定然後還有行政院或者是甚至於後續的那個完工期程都會往後"},{"start":3085.017,"end":3110.319,"text":"預算的部分可能也會因為原物料的調漲而增加這些部分都必須由我們的委員會這邊來做成一個決定是不是我們就要朝這個方向如果確定的話總務處就會按照這樣的一個決議在12月底的12月的開工這件事情上面就可以再做一些調整"},{"start":3111.119,"end":3115.648,"text":"那是不是這個部分請主席這邊做一個決定所以其他委員要不要表示意見"},{"start":3122.379,"end":3149.317,"text":"主席各位委員大家好這個會館的部分我想維持是都有可是剛才而且賴委員其實在先前對這些事情就也很關心在以前我們住台北會館然後來到大安會館也關心車子動線的問題當然都做了這些提醒"},{"start":3154.602,"end":3167.395,"text":"對於台北會館我想也是語重心長我們剛來就面臨住的狀況好像在長久以來也都沒辦法調整"},{"start":3169.156,"end":3183.822,"text":"當然我覺得最重要的一個問題像包括我們本院不是只有會館的問題立法院自己本身我覺得是有很多真的是需要討論跟處理但是可能對於今天剛才我聽到處長這邊的回應"},{"start":3187.644,"end":3212.444,"text":"因為我覺得已經搬得顛沛流離了這樣講好了這聽起來蠻知識體大的因為現在看起來台北會館如果12月就開始動工確定的啟程就是明年底但是如果賴委員講的那個問題你們有可能先去做一個調整跟處理在內部的這個部分我不知道有沒有這個可能"},{"start":3215.584,"end":3227.655,"text":"對 因為我們就不知道後面的變數是如何這後面的變數是如何我不知道就那個這看起來是知識體大的那對 所以所以請處長再做補充"},{"start":3233.912,"end":3249.063,"text":"謝謝委員 我再補充一下因為建築的一個工程它有一定的相關的程序跟規範目前在過去的那個評估它是只能依照現在的結構所以如果我們的空間要重新重整那程序上要先經過結構的鑑定"},{"start":3252.044,"end":3270.849,"text":"這個結構鑑定一做下去之前我們現有的計畫就要先報停工暫緩我們進行結構鑑定後接下來就要進行結構補強的工程結構補強的工程後才能再重新變更一個新的整修計畫大概會有幾個階段"},{"start":3273.01,"end":3288.217,"text":"我們都可以配合辦理如果各位委員是說大概有一個共識下我們走的就是行政程序只是大家要接受說他的期程會往後挪那經費會有所調整那我們這邊就是配合委員的需要來辦理沒有問題 謝謝"},{"start":3291.789,"end":3308.227,"text":"可是也因為這樣一做下去大家就要一直持續用剛剛也提到說後來就是在居住的環境上就是品質會比較差所以我不知道這樣評估要多久的時間或者說會延宕到所以剛剛處長也講是可以對不對"},{"start":3310.646,"end":3338.005,"text":"可以 只是現在比較急迫的是我12月原定計劃要動工如果不動工我會有預算執行的問題所以程序上委員會如果有決議我們就會開始進行各住宿委員的徵詢然後報行政院去變更這個期程然後去徵取經費然後明年初預算下來之後我們會先辦理結構鑑定的一個招標結構鑑定完就會去辦理結構補強"},{"start":3339.326,"end":3357.583,"text":"他整個的延 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鍾嘉斌我們現在請黃國昌總召請發言我想立法院的議事規則規定得非常清楚啦再修正動議表決的順序就是按照送案的順序嘛"},{"start":2023.103,"end":2036.95,"text":"那你如果協商要改變這個規則就要各個黨團同意嘛那如果沒有協商共識去變更這個規則的話就回到意識規則就按照意識規則處理如此簡單就是這樣子而已宋家斌委員請再發言"},{"start":2041.897,"end":2062.733,"text":"其實今天我想草野協商大家來主席院長坐在台上心裡想的都是說下午兩點半要進行個案的表決所以這個協商過水的意味很濃厚剛剛民眾黨黨團總召的意思也是如此協商"},{"start":2063.979,"end":2091.792,"text":"不用談就是按照國會託策意見那這何必協商呢協商就是說我們在內容上或許有不同意見程序上的討論處理也是可以進行如果通通要按照議事規則那協商的目的我們的議事規則我們的立法院職權行使法留有協商的這樣的機制就是希望在規則之外我們因應著各個不同的案件我們可以透過一個更有效率的方式來進行"},{"start":2092.972,"end":2106.809,"text":"不然的話主席院長這邊也不用主持反正就是表決就好了那我還是要就內容上很遺憾的我們的再修正動議的內容其實就是在昨天這個民眾黨主持"},{"start":2110.533,"end":2124.981,"text":"黨團協商的時候我們聽了國會多數國眾兩黨的意見之後我們覺得或許這樣的一個折衷的態度可以爭取到大家的共識怎麼說呢剛剛啊民眾黨的主席有提到說2018"},{"start":2129.13,"end":2152.347,"text":"公投跟大選同時進行在此之前是誰在反對公投綁大選是誰在支持公投綁大選大家心裡有數但是在2018那一次邊開票邊投票的亂象之後大家都知道發生什麼事台北市長的選舉在進行但是台北市民的投票有好幾個公投案"},{"start":2153.027,"end":2166.758,"text":"所以在造成投票開票的延宕甚至有人質疑那次市長選舉的投票結果包括國民黨的市長候選人丁守中還特別提起訴訟認為那次的選舉是無效的"},{"start":2167.492,"end":2190.907,"text":"所以在那次的選舉當中 很多人都重新的審視過去主張將公投並同大選來舉行固然有它的正向的效果 但是它的後遺症它的衍生的爭議 中選會選務機關有辦法處理嗎因此才有2019年我們這些相關的條文公投法的設定"},{"start":2191.872,"end":2220.14,"text":"第二公投法的設定改為兩年定期舉行在每兩年的八月的第四個星期六對不起我把它收完這個一定要講清楚然後這在很多國家都是這樣所有要發起公投的都可以明確的日期去推算他什麼時候發動連署什麼時候要截止要什麼進行所以這樣的一個制度是更明確的保障了公投可以定期的每兩年接受一些社會的檢證"},{"start":2221.567,"end":2243.182,"text":"第三 說到立場反覆在場有羅委員 有黃委員在2011 2021年四大公投案的時候其中一個案子就是公投綁大選那一次雖然沒有任何一個超過25%但是反對是多於同意的反對的政黨立場包括民眾黨我不清楚"},{"start":2244.246,"end":2265.959,"text":"民眾黨的主席現在是不是過去的反對跟今天的贊成可以完全翻過來還是今天的贊成明天又會反對其實那一次民眾黨在四大公投也是反對公投綁大選然而再說到2024年我們去年的選舉投票的確有修憲"},{"start":2267.045,"end":2287.647,"text":"有公民投票年齡這個選舉年齡的降為18歲很開心的聽到有在野黨的黨主席說他們也是支持公民投票選舉權降為18歲我很擔心這個支持選舉權降為18歲的黃主席會不會之後又反對了你之前可以反對共同綁大選現在要支持共同綁大選"},{"start":2289.076,"end":2318.039,"text":"之前反對 現在支持你去年支持18歲公民權你會不會明年反對18歲公民權最後我們要說的 退與萬不講如果真的為了要讓公投容易通過要提高投票率 跟大選綁在一起很好啊 今天民進黨的黨團我們提出了一個建議 在修正動議就是讓公民投票的前一天也並同放假讓大家可以安心的 充裕的來參與公民投票"},{"start":2318.9,"end":2343.146,"text":"那麼這樣的如果說這樣的設計是不是相較於之前要跟地方的選舉或者中央的大選綁在一起造成選務上的混亂更可以完整的讓公民充裕的去表達他們對公民投票個案的意見而且只有公民投票個案而且前面一天還讓你可以放假讓你可以充分的準備所以我們的修正動議"},{"start":2344.046,"end":2368.441,"text":"就是依國眾兩黨多數的邏輯為了要提高國民對公民投票的參與所以我們提出這個再修正動議那我們要這個再修正動議讓各黨來表示意見這就是我們爭取剛剛所爭取的在協商的過程當中我們這個再修正動議現在這個超越協商有人很喜歡講超越協商全國都在看"},{"start":2369.321,"end":2388.309,"text":"人民都在看是不是主席就請我們這個再修正統議我們希望能夠一起加入表決讓各黨來表態不然現在就可以表態啊在場的黨團代表是不是反對公平投票日之前一日也並同放假讓公民可以充裕的來參與公民投票 以上國民黨團表達一下意見吧"},{"start":2401.014,"end":2424.448,"text":"我覺得大家講的都有道理但是民主社會我們最後還是要經過民主程序來處理不可否認的民進黨過去所有的前輩都希望為了讓人民真正的意識能夠表達而不會受到在日常工作的影響"},{"start":2425.751,"end":2448.408,"text":"能夠在重要的人民選拔的時候這些重要包括總統 副總統 立法委員或者是九合一的選舉的時候大家都出門選選舉人的時候把民眾的想法的公投的意見也能夠表達所以我想過去大家一致取得這樣一個決議也能夠節省經費"},{"start":2451.088,"end":2458.614,"text":"也能夠最充分的展現能夠超過50%以上的投票率我想我們可以縱觀"},{"start":2463.197,"end":2488.354,"text":"這20年來20年來全國的縣市長選舉的九合一或者是總統副總統選舉的這個大選投票率都是超過50%的都超過50%那是真正可以貫徹民意的一個公投權的形式我想不要再另外找一個比較特定的日子那可能"},{"start":2490.086,"end":2511.796,"text":"在人數不足的情況之下我們也可以看到過去幾次的公投往往就因為出席人數不足而把整個公投的意義完全抹滅掉所以我想這是大家可以合氣來討論的事情那不只可以顧及國家公帑的使用必須要來節儉"},{"start":2513.683,"end":2537.516,"text":"那第二個又能夠充分把全國超過50%以上的民意能夠來伸展那才是絕對多數的民意的伸展我想我們過去所有的公投都已經非常的清楚從民主進步黨執政以後改變過去的初衷把公投跟大選分開來以後"},{"start":2539.407,"end":2563.107,"text":"請問有哪一次的公投是順利可以成功的所以我們在這裡希望還是回到人民意志能夠充分的展現應該跟全國性的選選引人的大選舉能夠綁在一起能夠充分的來把一些全國的公眾的議題可以一併的做民意的展現好 謝謝國民黨團發言黃黨長 您要補言 補發言嗎"},{"start":2567.495,"end":2591.326,"text":"因為每個黨團按照順序嘛大家按照順序公平的發言的機會基本上回應一下第一個在黨團協商的時候你要變更規則可以提出來啊但是你沒有資格你也沒有立場去要求其他黨團必須要接受如果不接受的話就要發動人身攻擊的話我覺得這樣的協商啊大可不必沒有意義2019年"},{"start":2594.799,"end":2604.132,"text":"蘇嘉全在協商公投法的時候公投綁大選那一條完全沒有討論到使用的時間是零分"},{"start":2605.444,"end":2628.579,"text":"其他的條文協商了兩條 大家沒共識其他的條文談都不用談 包括公投綁大選這一條立法院公報記載得非常清楚當年蘇嘉全在主持民進黨禁賦二讀協商的時候公投綁大選那一條的條文完全沒有協商直接跳過去"},{"start":2630.103,"end":2650.356,"text":"晚上下去表決立法院公報記載得非常非常的清楚那第三個過去民進黨一直在批評在野黨說到最後一天的時候才把再修正動議拿出來我們早就說了按照議事規則本來就是這樣子規定啊結果一直在抹黑在野黨"},{"start":2656.138,"end":2668.708,"text":"按照議事規則提出再修正動議是黑箱那奇怪了如果按照民進黨今天偉大的邏輯的話今天民進黨在丟再修正動議出來那民進黨不是在進行他們自己所謂的黑箱嗎"},{"start":2670.219,"end":2697.348,"text":"意識規則是什麼就按照意識規則走嘛在野黨按照意識規則走民進黨鋪天蓋地的在那邊罵是黑箱那今天民進黨把他們的再修正動議最後一天才拿出來請問這不是黑箱什麼是黑箱最後一點要討論說投票前一天要放假當然可以討論啊當然可以討論啊那你要討論你就要並同選舉一起討論嘛"},{"start":2698.942,"end":2709.379,"text":"選舉有比較不重要嗎公投很重要啊 選舉也很重要啊但是民進黨他們現在最後一天拿的再修正動議為了要阻止"},{"start":2710.407,"end":2734.808,"text":"我們把公投再度的從鳥籠放出來突然出了一招說公投前一天要放假然後逼問在野黨說你們同意不同意我們心胸很開放啊如果讓我們說投票前一天大家要促進大家盛施民變好好思考 冷靜一下哇 那選總統更要冷靜了"},{"start":2735.689,"end":2763.426,"text":"因為如果選出不錯選出不對的總統是全民受害我相信過去這兩年啊2300萬台灣人民的感受非常的深刻啊那關於放假的這個事情當然可以討論嘛那討論那我們就回到回到在有關於假日的制定上面是不是除了公投要放假選舉也要放假公投綁大選那剛好合併舉行那只放一天更有效率"},{"start":2765.953,"end":2789.1,"text":"好 謝謝黃祖昭發言我想這個熱度開始提高大家冷卻一下 冷卻一下因為還有好幾個案子我建議是不是情緒性的或者我們就不再發言情緒性的就這個案子實際現在台灣民眾黨團就要求就照這個排案的時間次序送來了先後那總裁編委您做最後一個簡短扼壓 謝謝"},{"start":2791.211,"end":2819.598,"text":"我們就按照院長的提示我們不帶火器但是有火器的已經出去了所以現場的人都沒有火器因為剛剛的表述其實有很多的問題與事實不符這個黃委員說在2019年蘇前院長的時候他在主持公投法是沒有討論的討論用0分鐘 錯到第9條之前都有討論"},{"start":2820.816,"end":2838.649,"text":"那後來在協商的時候為什麼協商沒有辦法完成呢因為那時候的時代力量跟親民黨他們不參加 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謝謝陳培宇委員的發言接下來我們請賴銳龍委員請發言賴銳龍委員請發言"},{"start":21343.69,"end":21359.538,"text":"賴銳龍委員不在場我們再接下來請李博義委員發言李博義委員發言李博義委員請發言不在場再接下來我們請登記第10號吳秉瑞委員請發言"},{"start":21375.181,"end":21381.745,"text":"主席 各位同仁對於公投本大選 台灣過去極有潛力2018年因為選舉這個縣市長跟議員的時候 同時啊"},{"start":21388.499,"end":21412.399,"text":"有十個公投案所以造成了混亂不堪大排長龍導致一邊排隊投票一邊開票的這個歷史2018年沒有很久了歷歷在目六年前那時候是柯文哲在選台北市長連任一邊投票一邊開票因為有這樣子一個痛苦的經驗所以後來立法院決定"},{"start":21414.306,"end":21429.342,"text":"要把對人跟對事的投票分開而且入法公民投票法裡面過去的規定就是對事的跟對人的是分開的那這件事情啊在2021年"},{"start":21431.343,"end":21458.768,"text":"那國民黨跟民眾黨也提出說他們仍然要恢復公投綁大選所以2021年我們就舉辦了四大公投裡面有一個很重要的議案就是是不是要公投綁大選結果經過公民投票的結果多數的人民仍然反對公投綁大選2021年到現在才三年多結果現在又提出這個修正案"},{"start":21460.15,"end":21473.661,"text":"違反公民投票的結果然後現在要提出這個結果讓他來公投綁大選這毫無道理啦而且這實在是對於民意的一個高度不尊重的一個表現"},{"start":21474.81,"end":21498.199,"text":"你想想看2021年的四大公投裡面公投綁大選被否決了結果今年的2025年又提出來馬上就又公投綁大選我在這個地方嚴重的指出如果公民綁大選硬要這樣子通過現在藍白委員的席次比較多"},{"start":21499.264,"end":21513.464,"text":"硬要通過會通過但是對於未來選務所造成的這些混亂一定要清楚的說清楚做這樣主張的人對於將來選務的混亂願不願意負起絕對的責任來"},{"start":21516.767,"end":21535.74,"text":"這件事情2018年的大混亂那導致2021年六一式公投也都否認都否決現在也才三年多就立刻提出這樣的修正案我請國民黨跟民眾黨的立委想想看如果你今天做這樣的修正明年馬上要來的這個選舉"},{"start":21537.625,"end":21555.177,"text":"那如果又造成這樣的混亂選入不堪負荷到時候造成的混亂誰負責任呢今天我們立法委員當立法委員是一時的這些存在在歷史上大家真的已經都在看希望我們的委員要慎重思考這件事情不要跟著黨一走謝謝"},{"start":21569.318,"end":21589.737,"text":"台灣民眾黨黨團提案第二十三條主管機關應與公民投票案公告成立後一個月期至六個月內舉行公民投票該期間內有全國性選舉時應與該選舉同日舉行公民投票日為應放假日委員賴世保等二十七人"},{"start":21591.536,"end":21617.807,"text":"提案第二十三條公民投票日應結合全國姓之選舉同日舉行委員楊崇英等二十六人提案第二十三條主管機關應於公民投票案公告成立後一個月起至六個月內舉行公民投票該期間內有全國姓選舉時應與該選舉同日舉行公民投票日為應放假日委員徐宇貞等二十四人提案第二十三條"},{"start":21618.647,"end":21633.749,"text":"主管機關應於公民投票案公告成立後一個月起至六個月內舉行公民投票該期間內有全國性選舉時應與該選舉同日舉行公民投票日為應放假日台灣民眾黨"},{"start":21635.691,"end":21650.21,"text":"黨團修正動議第23條主管機關應於公民投票案公告成立後3個月起至6個月內舉行公民投票該期間內有全國性選舉時應與該選舉同日舉行公民投票日為應放假之日"},{"start":21651.411,"end":21670.082,"text":"民进党党团修正动议第23条公民投票日定于8月第4个星期六自中国民国110年起每2年举行一次公民投票日之情日即公民投票日为英放假日台湾民众党党团"},{"start":21672.626,"end":21688.826,"text":"所提在修正动议第23条主管青蛙英语公民投票案公告成立后三个月起至六个月内举行公民投票该期间内有全国性选举时英语跟选举同日举行公民投票日为英放假日"},{"start":21690.782,"end":21711.278,"text":"民进党党团在书镇动议第23条公民投票日定于8月第4个星期六此中环面为120年起每万年举行一次公民投票日及其前一日为应放假日宣读完毕会议会我们要进行一"},{"start":21712.416,"end":21721.322,"text":"順序發言要進行逐條並截止發言登記我們首先要請鍾嘉斌委員發言陳廷飛委員請準備"},{"start":21730.475,"end":21756.047,"text":"主席在場委員先進在台上的旁聽的民眾全國的公民還有媒體的記者女士先生我們現在在處理的是公民投票法第23條剛剛大家知道23條要處理什麼事情嗎23條就是在2018年公投並大選投票造成的結果是台北市市長的投票受到當年度公投有數"},{"start":21757.639,"end":21772.529,"text":"以至於邊開票邊投票甚至國民黨提名的丁守中先生落選後還提出選舉訴訟認為該次公投影響到市長的選舉導致他的權益受損"},{"start":21773.49,"end":21800.775,"text":"於是在2019年公共法第23條就經過了多數意見修正為公民投票日定於8月第四個星期六至民國110年起每兩年舉行一次很清楚從2019年開始每兩年就有一個8月的第四個星期六可以來進行公民投票如果該年度之前有公民投票符合提案的規格"},{"start":21802.208,"end":21828.387,"text":"而且第二項寫出公民投票日為應放假日在此之前國眾兩黨對於公投綁大選的主要考量是認為如果公投跟大選合併舉行可以提高公民參與公民投票的意願簡單講這提高投票率當然又認為說公民參不參加公民投票在乎對該議題的認同所以不去投票也是一種對於該議題的表態"},{"start":21830.609,"end":21856.588,"text":"然而國眾兩黨一直認為讓公投可以跟民眾接受要提高公投的通過率那也有人說那就乾脆下修公投法通過的門檻不要定25%那麼高但是從2021年的實踐結果我們發現該年的四個公投案民眾黨也是反對公投綁大選昨日之事成為今日之非啊"},{"start":21857.449,"end":21874.902,"text":"我們看到了現在民眾黨也是同樣理由要公投綁大選好如果今天國眾都認為提高國民參與公民投票的意願很重要那我們黨團隊就提出那麼何妨讓公民投票日及前一日為英放假日"},{"start":21875.983,"end":21902.543,"text":"換言之以後我們的版本每兩年八月的第四個星期六可以舉行公民投票日除了該日應該放假之外前一天星期二也放假讓全國的公民都有充裕的時間來參與公民投票這樣子每兩年都有一個八月的星期五跟星期六第四個星期五跟星期六可以來行使公民投票權是不是更符合我們"},{"start":21904.085,"end":21914.741,"text":"國眾兩黨他們所期待的促進人民參與公投這才是真正的落實主權在民符合他們的意願我們請一起國眾兩黨一起支持本黨的再修正統一"},{"start":21917.676,"end":21939.584,"text":"謝謝鍾嘉斌委員的發言報告委員會陳樹越委員發表聲明上午的表決與民進黨黨團一介一致我們列入公報記錄再接下來來自於Minera University所有的同學們都是海外來的我們熱情的歡迎我們掌聲歡迎Welcome to 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謝謝保運會黃秀芳委員發表聲明對上午的表決與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄在接下來我們請張宏祿委員請發言張宏祿委員請發言張宏祿委員不在場在接下來我們請賴銳龍委員發言賴銳龍委員請發言"},{"start":22208.016,"end":22228.684,"text":"主席各位 針對今天要討論的公民投票第23條部分那過去公民投票到底要不要跟大選綁在一起其實經過非常多的紛爭也經過非常多次的一個討論但是在2018年的經驗這是一個非常慘痛的經驗當時因為全台提出了10個公投案"},{"start":22229.144,"end":22255.473,"text":"而導致了2018年的大選非常的混亂當時的時候幾乎很多人同時間領到了大選票以外還領到了10張的公投票而很多的公投的內容題目非常冗長甚至搞不清楚而導致了整個投票的秩序非常混亂排隊非常的冗長而導致到了投票的結果產生了影響所以我們認為把公投要綁在大選的話這個必須非常審慎的來演繹"},{"start":22258.114,"end":22283.3,"text":"不然他不小心就可能會形成公投法影響到了大選的一個結果像2018年的時候就發生了4點後結束了結果還有台北市長的選舉還在邊投票還在邊開票而在投票的同時的時候還可以知道現在開票的狀況而在決定他的投票意志這個已經嚴重的影響到了投票的公平性跟結果所以我們還是要希望"},{"start":22283.94,"end":22310.737,"text":"所有的立法委員在處理這樣的案件必須要在慎重然後每個黨都可能成為執政黨每個黨都可能成為公投綁大選的一個影響者而每個人都可能造成這個大選結果的不公平性影響到台灣民主的成果所以我們希望這樣的案子應該要再審慎的考慮那2019年也因為這樣而修了公投法把這個大選跟公投切開來到了2021年的時候"},{"start":22313.419,"end":22339.316,"text":"也進行了公民的投票讓公投不要綁大選人民一致也再次的展現所以我們還是要呼籲立法院在處理這樣的議題的時候應該更加審慎思考不要讓公投影響到大選的結果公投跟大選同樣重要但是綁在一起處理的時候這麼多的案件往往會造成了整個大選的結果的一個改變我們還是要呼籲這樣的案件應該要再討論"},{"start":22340.177,"end":22365.2,"text":"之後再做處理是比較妥適的那我也希望藉這個機會也再次表達立法院這麼珍貴的討論時間應該技術優先來處理行政院提出來的財化法版本行政院提出來的版本過去所通過的這個版本其實是一個重北輕南的版本對於南部的縣市對於其他的縣市非常的不公平也造成了新疆縣市財政上的困難造成了更大的一個問題我們認為"},{"start":22366.821,"end":22395.538,"text":"負責立法院應該優先來處理行政院版的財化法希望有完整完善的財化法建立一套制度這個才有利於台灣的長治久安所以我們希望立法院應該多花點時間處理民生法案處理財化法讓我們的財政回歸正常這個才是台灣應該走的方向謝謝謝謝賴瑞榮委員的發言拜會現在有新的黨團共事"},{"start":22397.253,"end":22418.202,"text":"現在要向各位院會報告新的黨團共識有三條一公民投票法先表決民進黨黨團版本後依序表決二本次會議討論事項所列財政收支劃分法"},{"start":22419.164,"end":22439.016,"text":"地方制度法等修正案,院會進行處理時廣泛討論,由各黨團推派一位發言。每人發言時間三分鐘,發言完畢之後,逐條討論時,各黨團均同意不再發言。"},{"start":22440.587,"end":22464.042,"text":"並依各黨團版本提出先後次序進行處理完成立法程序後各黨團均不再發言內政部組織法及內政部新住民發展組織法均依協商結論進行處理完成立法程序後均不再發言"},{"start":22466.538,"end":22479.725,"text":"黨團三位總召都簽字同意現在我們要進行依照黨團共識進行條文表決7位委員均不再發言現在按鈴7分鐘並分發表決卡"},{"start":22906.618,"end":22922.672,"text":"報告委員時間已到報告委員會我們請問各位委員是否表決卡都有拿到都有拿到好我們現在開始進行第23條的表決依照黨團共識首先我們表決民進黨黨團再修正動議條文現在表決民進黨團再修正動議條文"},{"start":22928.317,"end":22934.467,"text":"現在有民進黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決贊成民進黨團條文請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":23011.724,"end":23014.453,"text":"消息委員會報告表決結果出席委員100位"},{"start":23016.614,"end":23041.171,"text":"贊成43位反對57位贊成者少數民進黨團在修正動議條文不通過我們現在開始表決台灣民眾黨團國民黨團共同所提在修正動議條文現在有民進黨團要求記名表決我們開始記名表決贊成台灣民眾黨團國民黨團所提請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":23046.254,"end":23046.34,"text":"來"},{"start":23117.952,"end":23133.579,"text":"向院會報告表決結果出席委員100位贊成56位反對44位贊成者多數第二三條照台灣民眾黨團國民黨團共同所提再修正動議條文通過法院會全案已經經過二讀現在由台灣民眾黨團提議繼續進行三讀請問院會有無異議沒有異議請宣讀經過二讀這條文"},{"start":23141.926,"end":23156.828,"text":"第23条 主管计划应于公民投票案公告成立后三个月起至六个月内举行公民投票该期间内有全国性选举时应与该选举同日举行公民投票日为应放假日宣读完毕"},{"start":23158.496,"end":23184.203,"text":"國安院會三讀條文已經宣讀完畢請問院會有文字修正沒有文字修正現在有台灣民眾黨團依照立法院職權新司法第十一條規定提請將全案負表決我們現在進行全案表決贊成全案通過者請按贊成反對者請按反對棄權者起案棄權民進黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":23259.901,"end":23282.756,"text":"向院會報告表決結果出席100位贊成56位反對44位贊成者多數我們全案表決通過我們現在做以下決議公民投票法第23條條文修正通過歡迎會本院黃國昌委員針對本案三讀之決議提出附議"},{"start":23288.46,"end":23304.868,"text":"並請院會隨即進行表決處理我們現在進行處理本件附議案現在進行表決針對黃國昌委員所提附議案現在由民進黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":23379.625,"end":23402.481,"text":"向院院會報告表決結果出席委員100位贊成45位反對55位贊成者少數-1不通過報院會我們經過黨團共識一直就不再進行三讀後知發言現在我們進入討論事項第二案本院國民黨團有鑒於台灣社會陸續發生長照杯葛的事件"},{"start":23403.442,"end":23429.727,"text":"建請院會作成決議以落實長照照顧政策請公決案請議事人員宣讀提案內容本院國民黨黨團建請院會作成決議建請賴清德總統考量被告犯罪的情況具有勤勘敏速之處依據中華民國憲法第四十條刑事赦免權宣告台北地方法院特殊一百十三年度重塑自地"},{"start":23431.007,"end":23452.196,"text":"14號案件就被告並要求衛生福利部深入檢討儘速提出改善經濟措施落實長期照顧政策讓身心障礙者權益能獲得保障是否有當進行公決宣讀完畢報言會傅坤祺委員發表聲明對剛才表決結果與國民黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄"},{"start":23454.145,"end":23474.845,"text":"現在依照立法院職權刑事法第八條第三項規定本案經提案人說明提案子去大體討論之後即一決交付審查或淨附二讀或不予審議法院會依照黨團共識本案提案說明及大體討論均不再發言現在國民黨提淨附二讀依照黨團共識本案就淨附二讀"},{"start":23476.526,"end":23497.747,"text":"議區立法院直宣新法第74條之一規定交付黨團協商我們現在做以下決議交付黨團協商並由國民黨黨團負責召集協商我們進入討論事項第三案財政收支劃分法第16條之一及第38條之二條文修正草案陳雪生委員等提案"},{"start":23498.516,"end":23524.227,"text":"经第四会期第四次会议决定进复二读由国民党团负责召集协商陈玉生委员等国民党团等分别提案经第四会期第六次七次会议决定进复二读与相关提案并案协商报应会本案已经超过一个月没有办法达成共识我们依照立法院职权新司法第七十一条之一的规定由院会定期处理"},{"start":23524.927,"end":23538.954,"text":"因此於本次會議提出討論我們現在進行廣泛討論依照黨團共識請各黨團推派代表發言首先請鍾嘉斌委員發言陳玉珍委員請準備陳玉珍委員請進"},{"start":23554.189,"end":23561.256,"text":"主席在討論先進尤其是全國的媒體國人知道立法院從去年12月到現在一年的時間我們在修財化法修什麼財化法"},{"start":23577.987,"end":23604.381,"text":"社會都搞不清楚啊首先跟大家報告在去年的12月20號三讀通過的財化法姑且稱之為新版的財化法修正當前行政院通知就提醒裡面因為倉促修法有重大的錯誤就是16條之一的公式涉算錯誤果不其然立法院我們韓院長呢把這個案子留到了今年3月才送總統府公告"},{"start":23605.592,"end":23633.593,"text":"但是這個錯誤造成的不是只有金門馬祖離島縣市的損失是全國人民的財政受損於是國眾又合作又推出了新版的財化法宣稱要幫地方解決財政問題但是我們看到了經過這幾個月的變化行政院已經提出了完整的院版財化法而且在昨天我們韓院長也跟昨院長見面希望能夠有更全面性周延的設計"},{"start":23635.171,"end":23654.866,"text":"甚至今天上午我們看到國民黨的資深裁委賴世保委員林思明召委還特別請韓院長邀請行政院說明根據院門的裁判法到底各22個地方政府可以確切的明年還有後年可以分配到多少統籌分配稅一般性補助計劃性補助"},{"start":23657.151,"end":23680.18,"text":"財政部也答應下週二提出希望下週五我們可以來完整的討論結果不曉得是國民黨笨還是民眾黨壞偏偏要在今天去處理16條之一跟38條之二一錯再錯錯錯不能得對啊所以現在我們要處理這個財化法跟接下來行政院送進來的"},{"start":23682.279,"end":23695.661,"text":"願滿財化法為什麼我們不等願滿財化法共同的來解決24個地方政府的問題呢其實願滿的財化法很多地方首長都已經覺得比較好包括新北市"},{"start":23696.653,"end":23724.331,"text":"因此我們在這裡提醒一下明年要選舉的都是國民黨跟民進黨的地方百里猴民眾黨好像不參賽因此他們不在意未來地方政府的財政會被他們的財化法拖垮我們請國民黨不要再笨了不要跟著壞壞的民眾黨來拖垮國家的中央和地方財政國民黨如果你們要選明年的縣市長"},{"start":23726.035,"end":23749.625,"text":"一定要來好好的就院門的裁判法來進行修正我們再次提醒民眾黨悍然拒絕健全財政拖垮中央跟地方政府的財政我們千萬不要上當謝謝鍾嘉斌委員的發言 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本期也肯定行政院願意提出版本終於在我們請他提出版本的一年幾個月後終於提出來了但是呢這個中間還有很多的條文"},{"start":23862.371,"end":23883.795,"text":"規定是不明確的那個反正他提出來以後把這些規定說的明確指標是什麼說的明確以後我們在朝會當然可以充分討論但是今天要表決的跟這些都沒有關係今天要表決的就是當初財政部行政院行政部門故意說這個公式不明確既然他這樣講我們就白紙黑字每一個字"},{"start":23884.255,"end":23912.818,"text":"每一個條文重複的把離島三縣市寫在條文裡頭把這個公式寫在裡頭讓他知道說行政院身為行政機關必須依法行政這個中間民進黨還故意提出一個什麼暫行條例說那個分不完的可以做什麼作業子免錢啊什麼這個不用啊那個不用我說如果我也支持民進黨提出的這些社會福利不管是要作業子免錢龍寶啊國寶不用錢啊減少什麼支出我也支持請提出長久的版本不要想卡"},{"start":23913.559,"end":23942.155,"text":"想讓那個離島錢變少然後故意提出這種所謂的戰刑條例所以你們要提的這些福利政策我全部支持請提出來提一個永久的條例那今天要修的這個財政搜索法第16條這有關離島這個公式部分不是謬誤而是讓行政院員明白知道說我們國民黨可能就是支持離島我們就是要條文清楚以上請各位支持 謝謝好 謝謝陳玉珍委員的發言 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各直辖市及縣市之辖區之土地面積占全部直辖市及縣市不含離島土地面積合計數之百分比全眾占百分之十五人口指標占全眾百分之四十五以下列系目指標及全數計算一 人口數按各直辖市及縣市最近一年底人口比例占本項全數百分之九十"},{"start":24271.057,"end":24291.881,"text":"2.所得能力按各指辖市及县市最近年度所得能力占全部指辖市及县市不含力道所得能力和技术比例全数占本项10%所得能力等于全国每户可支配所得额除以各指辖市及县市每户可支配所得额2."},{"start":24291.881,"end":24299.142,"text":"可供分配环项2%考量指辖市与县市责任不同支出项目不同依各指辖市分配数按比例分配"},{"start":24299.702,"end":24314.473,"text":"三可供分配款项百分之二点五一相例全数计算分配离岛三县市一离岛各县市最近三年辖区内各类盈利事业营业额平均值在离岛三县市之平均值和技术之百分比"},{"start":24314.913,"end":24339.858,"text":"全数占30%二 领导各县市之房屋税 地浆税及土地增值税收入和基数之前一年度成长率排名逊位分数占领导三县市逊位分数和基数之百分比全数占10%三 领导各县市之前一年度官费工程收益费包环及赔偿收入占其自从财源比例占领导三县市比例和基数之百分比全数占5%"},{"start":24342.099,"end":24349.667,"text":"4.離島各縣市只想要學知土地面積,占離島三縣市土地面積合計數值百分比,權重占百分之十5."},{"start":24349.667,"end":24355.633,"text":"人口指標占權重百分之四十五,依項列細部指標及權數計算1."},{"start":24355.633,"end":24362.14,"text":"人口數,按離島各縣市最近一年底人口比例,占本項權數百分之九十2."},{"start":24362.14,"end":24362.581,"text":"所得能力"},{"start":24363.081,"end":24390.863,"text":"按领导各县市最近一年度所得能力占领导三县市所得能力和技术比例全数占本项10%所得能力等于全国每户可支配所得额除以各直辖市及县市每户可支配所得额四 可供分配款项5%分配乡镇市其分配方式应参着乡镇市正式编制人员人事费及基本建设需求情形"},{"start":24394.605,"end":24414.958,"text":"5.受分配之指辖是县市或乡镇市,其分配金额较修法前一年度分配金额减少者之全部差短数,以特别统筹分配税款之应。1.前项算定分配个该指辖是县市及乡镇市之金额,财政部应按次一年度中央统筹分配税款推估数。"},{"start":24415.978,"end":24433.79,"text":"设算分配各该指辖市县市及乡镇市市金额于会计年度开始四个月前通知各该指辖市县市及乡镇市政府前段制规定因修法而造成情势变更则不受会计年度开始四个月前通知各该指辖市"},{"start":24434.23,"end":24459.657,"text":"宣誓及乡镇市政府是限制依第十二条第二项之第四项规定由县统筹分配乡镇市之款项应本条纪财政盈余原则由县政府定定分配办法其中依公市分配之款项不得低于可供分配总额至90%依公市设算分配各单乡镇市市金额应于会计年度开始三个月前通知各单乡镇市公所宣读完毕"},{"start":24461.707,"end":24480.831,"text":"委員會16條之1本案條文進行處理時我們依序進行表決其中一案通過我們就不再處理其他案我們現在開始表決國民黨團在修正動議條文現在有民進黨團要求記名表決我們開始記名表決贊成國民黨黨團在修正動議條文請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":24560.202,"end":24575.659,"text":"向院會報告表決結果出席100位贊成56位反對44位贊成者多數16條之一照國民黨黨團在修正動議條文通過我們現在進行第38條之二請宣讀"},{"start":24579.468,"end":24599.373,"text":"国民党党团再修正动议第38条之二本法88年1月13日修正之第8条第12条及第16条之一之实行日期由行政院以命令定之本法114年11月21日修正之第16条之一之实行日期速及至114年3月21日起生效宣动完毕"},{"start":24604.185,"end":24618.037,"text":"現在我們表決國民黨黨團在修正動議條文現在有民進黨團要求記名表決我們現在開始記名表決贊成國民黨團請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":24693.206,"end":24712.393,"text":"向院會報告表決結果出席100位贊成56位反對44位贊成者多數第38條之二照國民黨黨團再修正動議條文通過報告院會我們全案經過二讀現在由國民黨團體繼續進行三讀請問院會有無異議面議請宣讀經過二讀之條文"},{"start":24719.246,"end":24745.453,"text":"第十六条之一第八条第二项规定之税客统筹分配部分因本透明化及公平化一方式分配之受分配地方政府就分的部分应列为当年度税客收入依第八条第二项规定由中央统筹分配指辖市县市及乡镇市之款项应以总额96%列为普通统筹分配税款其余4%列为特别统筹分配税款"},{"start":24745.973,"end":24766.995,"text":"因公为之应受分配地方政府紧急及其他重大事项所需经费由行政院依实际情形分配之普通统筹分配税款案下列指标及全数计算各指向市县市及乡镇市分配额度依可供分配款项90.5%依下列全数计算分配指向市及县市不含厘倒"},{"start":24767.975,"end":24781.061,"text":"1.各指向市集县市最近三年小区内各类盈利市业营业额平均值占全部指向市集县市不含雷道,指平均值合计数之百分比,全数占百分之三十。2."},{"start":24781.061,"end":24784.743,"text":"各指向市集县市指房屋税、地供税及土地税"},{"start":24785.223,"end":24803.82,"text":"增值税收入合计数之前一年度成长率排名虚位分数占全部纸匣设计线是不含厘等虚位分数合计数之百分比全数占10%三个纸匣设计线是之前一年度规费工程收益费发还及赔偿收入占其自筹裁员比例"},{"start":24804.46,"end":24819.272,"text":"政权指向市及县市不含领导比例和技术之百分比全数占5%四 各指向市及县市之辖区之土地面积政权部指向市及县市不含领导土地面积和技术之百分比全数占10%"},{"start":24820.854,"end":24826.499,"text":"5.人口指标占全种45%以下列细部指标及全数计算1."},{"start":24826.499,"end":24833.426,"text":"人口数按各指标设计限制最近一年底人口比例占本项全数90%2."},{"start":24833.426,"end":24842.516,"text":"所得能力按各指标设计限制最近一年度所得能力占全部指标设计限制不含利等所得能力合计数比例全数占本项10%"},{"start":24843.957,"end":24861.823,"text":"所得能力等于全国每户可支配所得额除以各指辖市及县市每户可支配所得额二 可供分配款项2%考量指辖市与县市责任不同支出项目不同依各指辖市分配数按比例分配三 可供分配款项2.5%"},{"start":24863.644,"end":24881.113,"text":"以下列全数计算分配里岛三县市一里岛各县市最近三年小区内各类盈利事业营业额平均值占里岛三县市之平均值和技术之百分比全数占百分之三十二里岛各县市之房屋税地价税及土地增值税收入和技术"},{"start":24881.853,"end":24883.755,"text":"请不吝点赞 订阅 转发 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抱怨會現在國民黨團依據立法院職權刑事法第11條規定提請將全案負表決我們現在進行全案負表決贊成全案通過者請按贊成反對請按反對棄權請按棄權民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們現在開始進行記名表決時間一分鐘 現在開始"},{"start":25140.066,"end":25160.443,"text":"向院會報告表決結果出席100位委員贊成56位反對44位棄權0位贊成者多數全案表決通過我們現在作以下決議財政收支劃分法第16條之1及第38條之2條文修正通過"},{"start":25162.861,"end":25183.113,"text":"歡迎歡迎我們富坤齊委員等針對本案三讀之決議提出附議並請院會隨即表決處理我們現在進行本件附議案現在進行表決針對富坤齊委員等所提附議案現在由民進黨團要求記名表決我們開始記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":25256.061,"end":25259.962,"text":"我們現在進入討論事項第四案內政部組織法第五條及第七條條文修正草案請宣讀審查報告"},{"start":25278.203,"end":25297.552,"text":"本院司法及法制内政委员会于114年6月19日及6月30日分别召开联席会议并按审查上开法案由吴兆己委员从现任主席除邀请提案委员及党团说明提案要职外内政部及相关机关应邀指派代表练习说明并答复委员询问"},{"start":25298.012,"end":25299.812,"text":"我們現在請召集委員吳宗憲委員補充說明"},{"start":25322.128,"end":25337.783,"text":"沒有補充說明本案經審查會決議須交由黨團協商另外台灣民眾黨團提案經第四會期第九次會議決定近乎二讀與相關提案並按協商報應會本案已經完成協商請宣讀協商結論"},{"start":25341.443,"end":25366.777,"text":"議法院黨團協商結論時間114年11月21日星期五地點紅樓302會議室協商主題內政部組織法第五條及第七條條文修正查案協商結論第五條及第七條均照台灣民眾黨黨團提案通過協商主持人韓國瑜 協商代表柯建民 鍾嘉斌 陳培宇羅美玲 林佩祥 惠更及黃國昌 蔓玉珍 羅志強 張啟凱 陳昭芝 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羅志強宣讀完畢請問會對以上協商結論有意義沒有意義我們本案後續依照協商結論進行處理現在進行主條討論內政部新住民發展署組織法草案請宣讀名稱"},{"start":25639.898,"end":25660.186,"text":"内政部新住民发展署组织法宣读完毕照审查会名称通过请宣读第一条第一条内政部为保障多元文化精神及新住民基本权益统筹规划及办理有关新住民事务特设新住民发展署以下简称本署宣读完毕照协商条文通过请宣读第二条"},{"start":25661.406,"end":25677.385,"text":"2.本署长理下的事项1.新住民事务政策制度法规之统筹规划研究咨询协调及推动2.新住民总体支持事项之研理定定定期调查及检讨3.新住民发展基金之规划管理及建立"},{"start":25678.246,"end":25693.242,"text":"四 新住民服务措施之规划协调及推动五 奖励补助新住民语言学习学术研究与培育专业人才之规划协调及推动六 新住民关怀协助及弱势辅助与就业服务"},{"start":25693.803,"end":25693.843,"text":"宣讀完畢"},{"start":25723.723,"end":25751.021,"text":"照協商條文通過請宣讀第三條第三條本署至署長一人職務列檢證第十三值等副署長一人職務列檢證第十二值等宣讀完畢照協商條文通過請宣讀第四條第四條本署至主任秘書職務列檢證第十一值等宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過請宣讀第四條第五條更正第五條"},{"start":25751.872,"end":25776.961,"text":"第五條 本署未應業務需要 得報警行政院核准 判員駐境外辦事 並因駐外機構阻止通則規定辦理宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過 請宣讀第六條第六條 本署本職稱之官等職等即願而另以編制表定之宣讀完畢照協商條文通過 請宣讀第七條第七條 本法則公布後三個月實行 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民族的教育是原鄉最基本的生活經費的建設在這裡我要再次的強調高雄市政府的做法是過去殖民思維的延伸"},{"start":26657.748,"end":26672.564,"text":"原民立委要做的我們就是要拒絕這種殖民式的壓迫要來真正實踐原住民的轉型正義在這裡我要再一次的提醒高雄市政府"},{"start":26673.405,"end":26702.625,"text":"原住民不要照顧我們要的是公平合理的預算所以請高雄市政府你們依法編列直轄市山地原住民區的預算最後在這裡我要再一次的誠心呼籲民進黨的吳立華委員跟陳寅委員待會投票的時候請你們真的真心用實際的行動跟我們的族人站在一起"},{"start":26703.465,"end":26730.33,"text":"在民族大義還有民進黨利益之間請你們兩位也一定要跟我們的族人站在一起原住民一定要團結團結就是力量因為轉型陣營的道路上我們還沒有到終點我們要一起繼續的攜手向前行在這裡我要恭喜蔓越真委員您辛苦了新住民的這個成立"},{"start":26731.648,"end":26751.245,"text":"發展署真的你實在是非常的辛苦當然在這裡是大家一起的努力但是比較遺憾的是我們在協商我們在討論這個法案的時候民進黨政府你們是有非常多的意見的最後麥玉珍加油新住民跟台灣原住民一起加油謝謝"},{"start":26757.465,"end":26764.191,"text":"謝謝高金素美委員的發言接下來我們請林國成委員發言陳培宇委員請準備"},{"start":26774.298,"end":26793.509,"text":"院長各位我們同仁大家好我想地方制度法確確實實在整個民主憲政明顯的過程當中確確實實這個法要跟著時代來走所以我們今天要修"},{"start":26794.91,"end":26823.119,"text":"尤其國民黨提出第55條跟56條我認為現在的時機是有其必要所以落實地方自治那這些各縣市的縣市長他因為都是明顯而產生對於人民的責任跟他負責之態度說實在他們的工作 市政工作"},{"start":26824.181,"end":26829.537,"text":"千頭萬戲 政務還滿真的 忙得不可以開銷"},{"start":26831.95,"end":26858.006,"text":"業務啊越來越廣泛對於選民的戶託責任越來越重大所以我們覺得55條跟56條原條文幾個很簡單的例子就像我們台北市他規定三個副市長一定要270萬人才可以設立第三個可是就是很奇怪其中"},{"start":26859.914,"end":26884.844,"text":"變成有一年變成260萬人結果就要取消一個副市長你可想而知我們的本條文用一種人數市民浮動的情況之下來訂定虎斃市長的副市長所以我是覺得這是不確定之因素所以國民黨提出55條來修訂我認為合情合理"},{"start":26888.885,"end":26910.083,"text":"另外一個也就是高雄市過去他只有兩個副市長但是他合併高雄縣之後他也是兩個但是他的業務多麼擴張可想而知增加一個副市長是有其必要的所以"},{"start":26910.623,"end":26926.296,"text":"我們認為今天國民黨提出55條跟56條他這種地質化的修正把各縣市增加一個副縣長跟副市長這個是有必要的因為"},{"start":26927.417,"end":26946.045,"text":"這個部分如果來虎斃市長他不但會做得更好然後我相信他的市政照顧市民會做得更好所以我希望這次的修法把他副市長確定化副縣長增加化如果是這樣的話我認為"},{"start":26948.126,"end":26964.384,"text":"對於市政的推展服務人民是大大有幫助所以拜託各位我們支持55條跟56條的修改謝謝林國辰委員的發言接下來我們請陳佩瑜委員請發言"},{"start":26969.707,"end":26988.654,"text":"好 謝謝主席我要代替我的好同事陳英委員還有吳麗華委員向高金委員喊話他們從來沒有反對你的提案喔而且當時在協商也已經有共識我手上的就是相關議案文書請不要隨便抹黑造謠造謠你的同事沒有這麼容易"},{"start":26989.554,"end":27017.063,"text":"請大家相信吳麗華跟陳穎委員一致支持以上這個是關於回應剛剛高津委員隨便抹黑造謠潑髒水的發言手法接下來我要問接下來我要說關於今天55跟56條民進黨團當然是反對的立場主要就是因為我們認為這是一個因人設事的條款完全就是為了蔣萬安的修法為蔣萬安保小三的良身修法"},{"start":27017.503,"end":27042.139,"text":"目前台北市的人口已經低於250萬而現有的三位副市長如果有人去職就沒有辦法再補如果蔣安安真的認為他要三位副市長才可以施政那我就問如果這不是量身修法什麼是量身修法如果蔣安安市長真的認為您有這個需求那為什麼不設置日出條款也就是從下一屆115年12月25或下下屆"},{"start":27046.161,"end":27068.688,"text":"一一九年十二月二十五再去實施而是明定要明年的一月一號就實施所以我們當然感到非常遺憾這一整年我們看到藍白倉促修正財政收支劃分法一修再修二修三修都是錯誤的版本但是卻沒有同步檢討地方制度法配套調整地方事權"},{"start":27070.608,"end":27085.152,"text":"當時職官搶錢不管事權現在又要先增設副首長我同時要提醒大家以現在各個縣市的人數來看縣市人口差距極為大以人口最多的彰化縣來說121萬"},{"start":27088.513,"end":27113.811,"text":"人口最少的連江縣僅僅只有13000人差距如此大卻用一樣的副縣長人數請問這樣的指標真的是對的嗎在全世界各大城市相關指標其實除了以人口為主之外還有非常多的指標可以作為討論但很可惜我們看到在內政委員會裡面沒有辦法好好的討論"},{"start":27114.551,"end":27139.076,"text":"等一下就要表決我們要感到非常的遺憾不管是關於縣市政府的面積不管是相關地方政府局處數量組織規模這些都是可以討論的指標但很可惜藍白不討論目前我們等一下看到通過的法可能通過了三讀法案都會是直轄市副市長一律三人縣市副首長一律兩人"},{"start":27139.916,"end":27151.792,"text":"既不公平也不合理我們要呼籲全國人民一起關注如此荒謬的修法一再上演在立法院同時我要再次呼籲請不要隨便在台上對同事造謠謝謝"},{"start":27165.421,"end":27188.119,"text":"抱怨會廣泛討論已經發言完畢現在進行逐條討論依照黨團共識不再發言保安請議事人員宣讀再修正動議條文其餘均列入公報記錄現在進行逐條討論第七條之一維持現行條文第七條之四不予增訂現在進行第33條請宣讀"},{"start":27190.1,"end":27217.93,"text":"第三十三条指辖市议员、县市议员、乡镇市民代表分别由指辖市民、县市民、乡镇市民依法选举之任期四年连选得连任指辖市议员、县市议员、乡镇市民代表名额应参组各干指辖市县市、乡镇市财政区域状况并依下令规定于地方立法机关组织准则定之依指辖市议员总额依区域议员名额"},{"start":27218.49,"end":27241.545,"text":"直辖市人口扣除原住民人口在200万人以下者不得超过55人超过200万人者不得超过62人而原住民一元名额有平地原住民人口在2000人以上者应有平地原住民选出之一元名额有山地原住民人口在2000人以上或改之前有山地乡者应有山地原住民选出之一元名额"},{"start":27242.906,"end":27244.346,"text":"2.縣市議員總額1."},{"start":27244.346,"end":27262.497,"text":"區域議員名額縣市人口扣除原住民人口在1萬人以下折不得超過11人人口在20萬人以下折不得超過19人人口在40萬人以下折不得超過33人人口在70萬人以下折不得超過43人人口在160萬人以下折不得超過57人"},{"start":27263.698,"end":27293.318,"text":"人口超过160万人者不达超过60人但依第二目规定计算无原住民一元名额者原住民人口应计入之二原住民一元名额有平地原住民人口在1500人以上者应有平地原住民选出之一元名额有山地原住民人口在1500人以上或有山地乡者应有山地原住民选出之一元名额无山地乡之限是山地原住民平地原住民人口数"},{"start":27295.3,"end":27311.217,"text":"均为达1500人以上者且原住民人口数在27人以上者应有原住民选出之议员名额三有离岛乡且干乡人口在2500人以上者依前额目规定计算之名额内应有干乡选"},{"start":27311.838,"end":27330.981,"text":"出支一元名额3.乡镇市民代表总额1.乡镇市人口在1000人以下者不得超过5人人口在1万人以下者不得超过7人人口在5万人以下者不得超过11人人口在5万人以下者不得超过19人人口超过15万人者不得超过31人"},{"start":27333.063,"end":27342.408,"text":"2.鄉鎮市有平地原住民人口在1500人以上者,於前目總額內應有平地原住民選出之鄉鎮市民代表名額。3."},{"start":27342.408,"end":27353.054,"text":"居鄉市議員由原住民選出者,以其行政區域內之原住民為選舉區,並得按平地原住民或在其行政區域內"},{"start":27354.134,"end":27381.264,"text":"划分选举区本法中华民国113年7月16日修正正条文施行后依第二项规定计算之县市区域议员名额多于111年11月26日选出名额者处理岛县人口多于111年5月31日之人口5000人以上其余县市人口多于4万人以上者为以111年11月26日选出名额为其名额不适用第二项规定"},{"start":27382.765,"end":27410.783,"text":"各选举区选出之直辖市议员县市议员乡镇市民代表名额在三人以上者应有任意性别当选名额一人超过三人者每增加三人增一人直辖市县市选出之山地原住民平地原住民名额在三人以上者应有任意性别当选名额一人超过三人者每增加三人增一人乡镇市选出之平地原住民名额在三人以上者应有任意性别当选名额一人"},{"start":27411.363,"end":27426.869,"text":"超过三人每增加三人增议人依第一项选择制止乡市议员乡市议员乡市市民代表应于上届任期届满之日宣誓就职该宣誓就职典礼分别由行政院内政部县政府召集并由议员"},{"start":27427.589,"end":27452.507,"text":"代表当选人互推一人主持之其推选会议由曾任议员代表之资深者主持之年资相同者由年长者主持之中华民国一百十四年十一月二十一日修正之第五项及第六项条文自中华民国一百十九年十二月二十五日就职知识辖市议员县市议员乡镇市民代表是用之宣读完毕"},{"start":27455.244,"end":27477.06,"text":"請問議員會本條照國民黨團台灣民眾黨黨團共同所提再修正動議條文通過有無異議有無異議沒有異議第三三條照國民黨團台灣民眾黨黨團共同所提再修正動議條文通過報告議員會第52條維持現行條文現在進行第55條請宣讀"},{"start":27485.154,"end":27503.338,"text":"國民黨黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團共同所提暫修正動議第55條直轄市政府知事長一人對外代表幹事縱理市政由市民依法選舉之每屆任期四年連選得連任引薦致副市長三人相助市長處理市政"},{"start":27503.778,"end":27526.472,"text":"职务军禀诏检认第十四职等由市长任命并报警协议院被查直辖市政府至秘书长一人由市长一公务人员任用法任免至副秘书长三人由市长依法任免之其一级单位主管或所属一级机关首长处主级人事警察及政风之主管或首长依专属人事管理法律"},{"start":27526.992,"end":27555.621,"text":"任免外其余职务均比照减任第13职等由市长任免之副市长及职务比照减任第13职等之主委或首长于市长卸任辞职或死亡时随同离职依第一项选出之市长应于上届任期届满之日宣誓就职中华民国114年11月21日修正之第一项及第二项规定自115年1月1日实行宣读完毕请问院会"},{"start":27556.994,"end":27567.699,"text":"本條照國民黨團、台灣民眾黨團共同所提在修正動議條文通過有無異議有異議我們要進行表決開始按鈴7分鐘並分發表決卡"},{"start":27994.568,"end":28012.544,"text":"報告院會時間已到我們現在開始表決國民黨團台灣民眾黨團共同所提再修正動議條文現在有民進黨團要求記名表決贊成國民黨團台灣民眾黨團所提請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":28084.571,"end":28100.384,"text":"向院會報告表決結果出席98位贊成56位反對42位贊成者多數第55條照國民黨團台灣民眾黨團共同所提再修正動議條文通過現在進行第56條請宣讀"},{"start":28102.458,"end":28123.255,"text":"国民党党团台湾民众党党团共同所提再修正动议第56条县市政府致县市长一人对外代表跟县市纵离县市政并指导监督所辖乡镇市自治县市长由县市民依法选举之每届任期四年连选得连任引荐至副县长"},{"start":28124.216,"end":28144.296,"text":"附縣市長二人相助縣市長處理縣市政職務比照檢任第十三職等均由縣市長任命並報請內政部被查縣市政府致秘書長一人由縣市長依公務人員任用法任免致秘書長一人由縣市長依法任免之其一級單位主管及所屬一級機關首長處主計"},{"start":28147.759,"end":28173.055,"text":"人事、警察、稅捐及证封之主管或首长依专属人事管理法律任免其总数二分之一得列证物之职务比照检认第十二值等其余均由县市长依法任免之副县市长及职务比照检认第十二值等之主管或首长于县市长卸任辞职、去职或死亡时随同离职"},{"start":28173.575,"end":28189.326,"text":"請問議員會"},{"start":28190.233,"end":28208.541,"text":"本條照國民黨團、台灣民眾黨團共同所提再修正動於條文通過有無異議有異議我們要進行表決我們要開始表決贊成國民黨團、台灣民眾黨團所提再修正動於條文請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":28282.867,"end":28292.729,"text":"向院會報告表決結果在場出席委員98位贊成56位反對42位贊成者多數第56條照國民黨團台灣民眾黨黨團共同所提再修正動議條文通過院會我們現在進入第57條請宣讀"},{"start":28312.114,"end":28330.547,"text":"國民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團共同所提在修正統議第57條鄉鎮市公所指鄉鎮市長一人對外代表跟鄉鎮市縱禮鄉鎮市政由鄉鎮市民依法選舉之每屆任期四年連選的連任一屆其中人口在30萬人以上之縣轄市"},{"start":28331.608,"end":28350.777,"text":"得致副市長一人相助市長處理市政以機要人員方式任用或以檢任地主職等任用以機要人員任用之副市長與市長卸任、辭職或死亡時隨同離職山地鄉商長以山地原住民為縣依第八十二條規定派員代理者一同"},{"start":28351.557,"end":28373.437,"text":"乡镇市人口在二万人以上至主任秘书一人由乡镇市长依公务人员任用法任免除主继人事政风市主管依专属人事管理法律任免外其余一级单位主管均由乡镇市长依法任免之依第一项选书之乡镇市长应于上届任期届满之日宣誓就职宣订完毕"},{"start":28374.557,"end":28397.684,"text":"選院會本條照國民黨團台灣民眾黨團所共同所提再修正動議條文通過有無異議有異議我們要進行表決第57條贊成國民黨團台灣民眾黨黨團共同所提再修正動議提案贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":28470.512,"end":28489.809,"text":"向院會報告表決結果出席98位贊成56位反對42位贊成者多數第57條照國民黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團共同所提在修正動議條文通過法院會進行第61條請宣讀"},{"start":28493.45,"end":28506.066,"text":"國民黨黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團共同所提在修正東一第六十一條指向市長、縣市長、鄉鎮市長應支給薪金退職應發給退職金應供死亡或病故者應給予遺族復續金"},{"start":28508.749,"end":28537.289,"text":"前項人員之新籍退職金及撫恤金之資給以法律定之至鄉市長縣市長鄉鎮市長依第七十八條第一項或公職員選舉報名法第一百十七條第一項規定停職期間不得發給新籍於其依第七十八條第二項第四項或公職員選舉報名法第一百十七條第二項規定復職後或與其任期屆滿後經法院判決無罪確定或因犯罪嫌疑不足"},{"start":28539.111,"end":28557.81,"text":"經檢察官不起訴處分確定者予以補發村里長為無給之由鄉鎮市區公所編列村里長事務補助費其補助項目及標準以法律定之宣讀完畢請問議員會本條照國民黨團台灣民眾黨黨團共同所提在修正動議條文通過有無異議"},{"start":28560.455,"end":28574.122,"text":"沒有異議第61條就照國民黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團共同所提在修正動議條文通過我們現在包圍會第78條、第83條之3均維持現行條文現在進行第83條之7請宣讀"},{"start":28583.926,"end":28600.558,"text":"國民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團共同所提在修正動議第83條之七山地原住民區實施自治所需財源由石橋市以下列因素予以設算補助並因維持改制前各單山地將統籌分配財源水準"},{"start":28601.078,"end":28624.331,"text":"一 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