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短期跟中環節治理規劃進度經費需求跟後續整理的這個治理策略等等那這個絕對是跨部會的啊"},{"start":3259.924,"end":3275.709,"text":"我們這條的提案 請大家再看 就是麻煩再了解一下那這個部分 本來就是跨部會 行政院要擔負起責任所以我們希望行政院長要親自到立法院來做報告這個是我們的堅持 謝謝我知道大家對這個案都很關心 而且要求透明又快"},{"start":3284.369,"end":3310.492,"text":"當然這個部分沒有行政院長來的道理啦這個主要是公共工程委員會所以這個不合體制那總之大家的心情都一樣趕快做好就好了柯永昭的意思就是他由公共工程委員會負責所以說兩個月之內由行政院長這個這樣子一個決議他們似乎有保留的意見張啟凱委員您覺得呢"},{"start":3312.611,"end":3315.879,"text":"有兩個非常重要的重點一個就是馬灘INSEP"},{"start":3316.826,"end":3344.222,"text":"危險性還存在嘛對不對剛講的那麼多那麼多的那個土方還留在那個位置他說任何豪雨跟地震它都是危險的這事情第一個非常重要第一個是我剛提的就是因為法律案裡面明定現在是怎麼樣行政院跟民進黨團都把這個法律當據文是不是我們三讀通過了條文耶結果你們現在都不做而且他是要落實讓全民可以監督讓每一分錢真正用在"},{"start":3345.976,"end":3354.231,"text":"重建跟復原上面那你跳票啦所以我們才明確要求行政院專報啊他非常的重要啊所以這個民眾黨團會非常的堅持"},{"start":3357.642,"end":3385.259,"text":"那我想我們就先通過這個決議案反正到時候我先通過沒問題啊兩個月內嘛我知道我們先通過我們先通過通過之後到時候我們還有進一步還有協商我們到黨團之間還會有一個可以緩衝如果已經執行的非常順暢到時候我們看狀況好不好好我們主決先通過我們進入第八案各位請問有沒有寶貴意見各黨團沒有我們就照案通過第九主決第九案有沒有意見"},{"start":3386.892,"end":3410.227,"text":"沒有意見我們就照案通過主席第十案 鄭天才委員要發言是吧沒有跟一樣 跟第一期一樣好 謝謝鄭天才委員我們照案通過 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以上謝謝接下來我們請黃豐凱召委做提案說明"},{"start":2655.967,"end":2679.94,"text":"好 主席各位在場委員以及我們行政部門今天我們排定了道交公路法以及大眾捷運法總共有11位委員以及黨團的一個提案而剛剛看了一下總共高達8個部分都是由這個行政部門認為說同意支持這樣的一個修法代表我們修法實際有討論以及修法的一個必要性也因此我們希望是說能夠"},{"start":2680.72,"end":2692.634,"text":"就事論事好好的focus在我們大眾大家必須要面對到的一個修法議題上面其中本席提出來的這個鐵道法的鐵路法的一個相關修正最重要在於是"},{"start":2694.433,"end":2719.393,"text":"確實台鐵的從業人員遭受暴力攻擊已經是屢見不鮮尤其是我們在上一次討論完七起的一個暴力事件但這一個月又多了兩起甚至還有旅客揚言要殺副站長如果說我們現在沒有辦法增加保全能力而保護台鐵的執行人員的話那未來整個大眾運輸的缺工情況真的會雪上加霜也因此我們需要"},{"start":2719.873,"end":2738.429,"text":"有更強力的態度以及更明確的一個規範告訴大家台鐵從業人員以及我們所有大眾運輸的服務人員都是服務2350萬國內以及國際的觀光客但絕對不應該也絕對不容許任何人在"},{"start":2739.13,"end":2759.292,"text":"服刑的時候來做攻擊 謾罵或者是惡意騷擾肢體暴力這是交通委員會以及這是我們要展現出來的態度因此在這一次的核心修法內容裡面我們參酌了刑法的妨礙公務罪以及醫療法的妨礙醫療罪立法精神徵定明確的刑法 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孟凱等委員擬計鐵路法共六案修正提案提出本部處理的建議供貴委員會來參考"},{"start":2935.587,"end":2962.7,"text":"有關區委員若乏 徐委員富奎 柯委員智恩花園建豪等委員女性道路交通管理處罰條例部分第31條之一提高機車行駛道路以手持方式使用行動電話等有礙駕駛安全的行為以及汽車駕駛人的行駛道路手持香煙 吸食或點燃香煙等自影響他人行駛安全的一個處罰"},{"start":2964.462,"end":2976.042,"text":"建議維持現行的緩緩額度第79條大院114年10月28號剛三讀通過相同的處罰規定建議無需修正第86條增電"},{"start":2978.445,"end":3003.117,"text":"行經設有學校醫院標誌的路段不簡述慢行因而致這個人重傷或死亡依法應負刑事責任抵加其刑二分之一尊重貴人會議綜合審查結果第九十條明假獨假的這個舉發日期至測試檢定終結之日起算建議著學文字"},{"start":3003.857,"end":3031.218,"text":"另外有關邱委員若發 蔡委員齊昌 李委員崑澤等委員擬繼大眾檢疫法相關條文的修正提案以及盧委員憲一 台中民進黨黨團 李委員崑澤還有廖委員仙翔 張委員鴻祿 洪委員孟凱等委員以及黨團擬繼的鐵路法相關的條文修正提案對於落實國內的鐵道建立制度 提升運輸安全以服務品質強化"},{"start":3033.1,"end":3046.173,"text":"這個災害的防救以及突發事件應變能量維護公共運輸的秩序促進鐵道關關等委員及黨員關心鐵路相關的課題本部自表感謝除了鐵路法第26條第35條第65條建議不修正"},{"start":3049.717,"end":3073.92,"text":"其他的大眾捷運法以及鐵路法本部皆尊重委員會的 貴賓會的這個審查 綜合審查結果以上僅先在要說明本部提出報告的重點以及建立處理意見接下來我分別請我們的工業司司長 胡司長還有鐵道局 楊局長分別就道通交通管理處罰條例以及大眾捷運法"},{"start":3075,"end":3087.707,"text":"鐵路法向各位做詳細報告再次感謝各位的一個關心與指教 謝謝好 謝謝我們接下來兩位檢要說明就好 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明訂35條獨駕舉發日期測試檢定終結之日起算那這個部分部裡面其實在113年6月13日大概就已經有韓式尿液毒品檢驗報告結果通知日為準那"},{"start":3268.866,"end":3291.225,"text":"也在9月19號有邀集法務部內政部警政署等相關單位認為有修法的一個共識所以有利於法規更明確所以我們也尊重委員會審查的一個結果那以上就那個處罰條例的處理建議提供各委員參考那接下來有關於大眾捷運法鐵路法的處理意見請那個鐵道局楊局長進行說明"},{"start":3299.657,"end":3322.638,"text":"主席 各位委員 我想就大眾決定法跟鐵路法部分提出本部處理建議給各位參考那至於剛剛因為各位委員還有我們政府次長已經就相關的部分做過主要說明我請就我們建議要做著修或者是說建議不已處理的部分來做報告那其他包括原則支持跟尊重委員會審查的部分的條文我就不再多做說明"},{"start":3323.338,"end":3337.91,"text":"好 那有關蔡岐山委員所提的六條修正法案其中第39條的這個完善事故調查機制的部分本部原則支持但是配合條文的架構相關條文的內容建議修訂在第43條第4項"},{"start":3340.732,"end":3359.346,"text":"那同樣蔡委員所提案第43條有助於整個事故的調查資料的完整性但是由於大眾捷運的監理權責主責是在地方主管機關建議有關紀錄保存之項目期限管理事項修正為地方主管機關定職"},{"start":3361.997,"end":3385.104,"text":"另外有關鐵路法的部分如委員現依所提修正草案第26條第35條涉及到年滿55歲之原住民應享鐵路優待票價的部分查鐵路法並沒有優待票的相關規定 鐵路法相關的這些票價規定是依據老人福利法身心障礙者權益保障法提供優待及差額補貼"},{"start":3386.284,"end":3397.214,"text":"如果這兩個法源有做相關修正的時候我們再來做配合那方例所有的設施均能夠一體適用所以本條本部建議不需要做修正"},{"start":3398.902,"end":3423.372,"text":"另外在張委員紅路所提的第65條將車票加價出售換取不正利益圖利之罰完額度的部分委員提案修訂增訂本條第三項恰請警察機關協助調查或取締違規事實考量鐵路法第72條一定有本部的委託警察機關執行處罰之規定所以我們建議本條無需增訂"},{"start":3424.392,"end":3442.429,"text":"另外委員提案增訂第4項第5項檢舉人相關規定經檢視近5年來的相關檢舉案件因不知法律惡意檢舉或未有事證而檢舉經調查後未曾案例達71%以上所以我們建議本條也不需要做相關的增訂"},{"start":3443.47,"end":3464.428,"text":"最後是有關主席洪孟楷委員所提的第68條之事跟第72條其中第68條之事對於從業人員執勤的安全本部當然表示支持但是關於罰則的部分現在有兩個版本一個是這個台灣民眾黨團所提的他的處罰額度是在"},{"start":3467.51,"end":3482.991,"text":"3年以下然後30萬那本案所提的是1至5年處罰額度到1000萬那建議比照醫療法第106條也就是這個處罰額度較小的部分是處罰額度在30萬然後罰則是在3年以下"},{"start":3483.832,"end":3506.69,"text":"那另外第72條 類同剛剛的這個警察機關的執行查刑事訴訟法第88條 現行犯不論何人得進行逮捕制如果現說現行犯由警察機關排除或制止 控有抵觸法律之餘 考量現行犯之相關處置原則已規範於刑事訴訟法 建議本條無需增訂 那以上是本部就"},{"start":3508.311,"end":3514.014,"text":"鐵路法跟大眾捷運法 各位委員所提的相關提案提出的處理建議供各位委員會審查參考 報告謝謝"},{"start":3522.045,"end":3547.944,"text":"好那我們其餘機關所送的書面報告皆列入記錄刊登公報那我們就不再一一請機關來做說明好那接下來開始詢答先宣告以下事項一 詢答時間出席委員6加2分鐘列席委員4分鐘二 委員發言登記於10點30分截止三 各委員如有臨時提案請於10點前提出以便議事人員會診 四"},{"start":3550.119,"end":3567.898,"text":"暫定10點30分休息10分鐘好接下來我們登記第一號的洪孟楷召委執行"},{"start":3574.394,"end":3587.871,"text":"好 主席謝謝 我們麻煩請伍次長好 我們交通部伍次長那我們台鐵總經理然後以及我們公路局局長也請上來好不好好 那個公路局林局長來 台鐵公司馮總經理"},{"start":3589.97,"end":3611.088,"text":"委員好好 來 市長11月14號凌晨11點47分在瑞芳站台鐵這邊有發生旅客又再一次的一個暴力攻擊那並且他揚言說要殺了這個副站長是那到目前為止我們現在看到這20多歲的旅客我們先請教一下他有沒有特殊的一個個人因素"},{"start":3611.949,"end":3633.141,"text":"我們就了解沒有那他是怎麼樣無意識的他也不認識那個列車長不認識所以說那就更凸顯了我們過去一直在講就是說大眾運輸服務人員他其實面對的方方面面但更重要的是他隨時都有這種暴力攻擊那我們"},{"start":3634.437,"end":3662.063,"text":"接下來我先請教這個案件我們台鐵公司會全力協助來提告我們一定全力協助我們同仁來要保護同仁的權益嘛對不對因為他是在執勤的時候服務旅客他也沒有態度不佳他沒有態度不佳然後這個旅客就無差別的攻擊我們的從業人員造成他的嘴角有一些撕裂傷是 甚至我們看到是說到最後還要好幾名的"},{"start":3662.988,"end":3679.183,"text":"員工以及甚至派出所的同仁過來才能夠把他排除對不對好所以第一該社會秩序維護法該去做處理那以及我們這邊要做一個提告的部分本席都支持因為這個已經不是一個容許的範圍"},{"start":3679.884,"end":3700.891,"text":"那更重要的是有提到台鐵同仁已經在講啊就說我們的這個保全能力或者是說要執勤的一個部分那尤其像這一次的這個站是瑞芳站但他相對來講我們的鐵路警察是被移到芙蓉車站是不是也造成是說當天員警還是要從這個瑞芳的派出所來調員警過來協助"},{"start":3703.181,"end":3718.337,"text":"報告委員 事實上在瑞芳站現在目前在做整建那我們在瑞芳站裡面在當初也有找入境地方警察都有協調那為維護我們整個車站的一個旅運的安全所以我們在瑞芳站也有臨時的辦公室"},{"start":3719.738,"end":3737.564,"text":"那入境他也配合這樣的一個設置做這個人員的調派那我們跟地方警察也都有直接的一個連線作業所以當瑞芳在那個事件發生的時候我們第一時間是有通知這個地方的警察那隨後也通知了入境那所以在"},{"start":3738.564,"end":3766.923,"text":"警察單位的這個聯繫方圓我們都有建立一個網絡那當天當然因為這個地方警察有說他們有一些勤務執行所以趕到現場的時候比較晚一些那這個部分我們也會再來做檢討那怎麼樣讓這樣的一個防護措施更加的及時好 我要聽到的就是我們針對這個事件之後您剛剛有講到是說我們全台灣還是要去盤點一下各車站裡面怎麼樣跟我們當地的員警也做一個這個聯繫的一個網絡"},{"start":3768.724,"end":3797.904,"text":"那還有就是說針對不同的站別嘛因為可能還是有分這個主要的站然後以及就相關比較這個偏遠的站的一個部分然後你們去做一個加強的盤點好不好來可是我現在再拉回來喔其實這就面臨到大眾運輸的部分工作風險相對高那另外一個部分也是現在缺工的問題比較嚴重所以我想請教一下市長其實我們看到台鐵有缺工有說缺工高達2000人另外客運也有缺工的一個問題"},{"start":3798.985,"end":3815.525,"text":"那公路客運現在說因為整個營收的狀況也下降然後現在希望能夠爭取合理的虧損補貼成本所以說爭取公路局補貼公路客運駕駛底薪加薪五千塊公路局現在出省的作業進度如何"},{"start":3817.708,"end":3834.147,"text":"這個部分跟委員報告一下因為這個科研全聯會他在11號把他們這個11月11號對 本月就是依這個保規程序提送他們這個票價調整的這個計畫進來那我們初步這個看他們提進來的一個內容大概有兩個重點"},{"start":3835.288,"end":3853.076,"text":"第一個部分的話如果說按照現行這個汽車運輸管理規則法定的這些18項這個成本去做調整的話那這個在前兩天這個客運前年會秘書長大概也有說明如果說就18項成本這個部分來考量的話基本上"},{"start":3853.436,"end":3877.743,"text":"大概這個檢討的空間並不是很大那他們是這個大概參照地方政府這個市區課金的部分那這個部分基本上是不在這個法定這個18項成本裡面提出來說要針對駕駛員特別去加薪5000元這個部分那這個就是說法規的適用性等等部分的話這個部分我們還要再跟這個全聯會做一個這個討論"},{"start":3878.903,"end":3898.643,"text":"那所以這個出省之後可能有一些意見我們會再跟前任會討論那相關的內容可能要再做一個局長你這樣講了半天你是要say no嗎還是怎麼樣跟委員報告這個並不是要這個say no啦我們現在先確認一下因為公路客運票價原則上每兩年檢討一次對不對那上一次檢討是2023年的5月調整"},{"start":3901.525,"end":3930.264,"text":"2023年已經是兩年前了跟我們報告因為這裡面公路客運的部分分成一般公路客運跟國道客運那兩個調整的時間這一個不太一樣那是不是兩個都是在兩年前左右來做調整因為每兩年檢討一次嘛這個差不多一個是112年一個是113年是 所以說又更早那本席現在在講是說那現在因為客運工會現在已經有考量到旅客的負擔決定在這一次有關票價調整是不調整嘛"},{"start":3932.902,"end":3957.278,"text":"所以我們在講是說合理的成本來幫駕駛加薪是不是有討論的空間有 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台74號銜接國道4號到台61線到國道3號現在各自都已經完成但是連接處其中一個叫台61線北延清水因為它可以銜接國道3號4號這對這個入網的成型非常重要第二個國山蘭岩龍井到大渡的這一個"},{"start":7195.512,"end":7208.157,"text":"我已經把它用一個紅色的框框框起來又有箭頭我們希望呢要讓海線更發展或者應該說讓大台中的路網更完善我認為應該還要把這兩個"},{"start":7213.318,"end":7236.053,"text":"連結起來這兩個工程目前呢交通部我不知道有沒有在規劃市長你知道嗎這兩個我理解的好像沒有不過我想委員提出這樣概念我覺得是很好剛講整個路網把六十一把連結起來我想我們回去我再請那個公務局跟那個"},{"start":7237.463,"end":7264.45,"text":"跟那個高中局我們看一下應該怎麼樣來讓整個路網更為優化我想這個這個構想非常好這個構想很好我覺得對整個大台中的發展是非常重要的所以我也會提案那我也請交通部主動開始來規劃是好不好那有規劃我們就有時程有時程我們就可以如期如實的看到未來哪一年可以來完成我希望我當市長的時候可以完成是可以嗎好"},{"start":7267.111,"end":7293.846,"text":"接下來我剛剛講的國一銜接台汽4號這個現在已經在2024年5月13號完工通車了那確實也對我們台中的環中路的這個庸塞塞車的現象大幅的改善那這個部分我也要謝謝中央的支持當時的張亮萬堅委員現在的教育部次長也跟我一起去考察去看完工的現場"},{"start":7295.872,"end":7324.731,"text":"這個那時候市長好像不是你去好重點是在於來接著下一頁重點是在於整個路網的要完成的除了這個剛剛的這個國一銜接台氣室之外我想對三層來講最重要的是東風快速道路那預計要2029年全線完工我為什麼特別要提這個因為呢我還是必須要再講中央補助了三分之二的預算"},{"start":7325.591,"end":7332.036,"text":"交通部要認真講啦地方都沒人知道啦來 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for的這樣的一個機具或包括像我們的一些應變措施請他再去做整個的盤點那剛剛我想是不是比較細節我請那個總經理來說明"},{"start":9579.936,"end":9593.948,"text":"報告委員今天是212次的列車在行駛到麗英站有發生了這個行動電源的一個自然的現象那是在我們的試車發生的那發生以後我們就馬上有通報入境"},{"start":9595.569,"end":9619.98,"text":"那我們因為每一節車廂前後都有滅火器所以我們的車長還有路警到場這個馬上也做了一個滅火那路警也收證完了以後我們就讓這一台車上的旅客進行也疏散到2124次的一個列車所以整個時間處理完7分鐘那列車也開始繼續在做正常運行"},{"start":9621.401,"end":9639.809,"text":"這做一個報告那我們現在目前也針對這個案件做了幾項的一個檢討就包括說再加強宣導讓我們的旅客在這個攜帶行動電源一定要確保他是經過合格認證那行動電源要放在可以看見的地方"},{"start":9640.669,"end":9656.62,"text":"那不要邊充電邊使用那希望透過這樣的一個措施來做一個防範那我們也會再加強這個演練訓練讓我們的疏散還有旅客的安全都能夠得到更好的一個保障以上"},{"start":9657,"end":9684.337,"text":"好 謝謝那宣導的三原則這樣子剛好大家社會各界也可以民眾也可以藉此機會了解那所以說想問一下在目前統計上高鐵或台鐵那或是公路客運在這五年來有沒有做這個離天池就是自然的這個事故在公共運輸上的一個統計那以及說目前來講有沒有納入這個國際運輸安全指引如ICAO或EASA的相關規範那以及說剛才的"},{"start":9685.077,"end":9711.038,"text":"就有提到的說在跨部會的做一個檢視來看這個鋰電池的部分會不會自燃那因為他涉及到經濟部的產品驗證消防署的火災特性跟交通部的運輸安全那這個部分會不會有相關的指引做產出我跟委員報告剛提到幾個我想這個我們會後可以統計給委員知道各個包括台鐵高鐵這些大概都少數有幾個這樣的案例來產生"},{"start":9712.369,"end":9732.445,"text":"那剛剛提到 透過我們還是希望 剛剛講合格的這樣的一個產品是比較 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謝謝我們上位長官其實你們是相對比較專業我就不用像昨天在院會質詢一樣講那麼多的背景脈絡資料那當然這幾天車速照相的一個議題我相信你們也都有看到引起非常廣泛的輿論的討論那當然我相信車速照相"},{"start":10127.504,"end":10141.476,"text":"設置的目的一定都是為了道路的交通安全來設置的那為什麼民眾感受不到我們政府是為了安全而設置而是感覺是在像斂財那是不是其中有出了哪些狀況我想"},{"start":10143.43,"end":10169.405,"text":"最大的兩個問題我昨天有說了第一個就是一個不合理的速限不合理的速限那另外一個就是設置的一個地點那我先跟大家分享一下我自己一個經驗我自己實際上開車的一個經驗我有一次走在國三那經過了一個地方然後突然前面突然車子是靜止的狀態那我自己其實有煞住了我有煞住了但是我後來被後車追撞那當然後車它自己沒有保持安全距離或是它煞車的功能這是後車的問題"},{"start":10170.626,"end":10184.323,"text":"但是確實也是因此發生了事故後來我一看前面也沒有塞車為什麼我會為什麼會突然我需要前面停住我也需要停住後來看旁邊有一隻測速遭殭機我就想會不會是因為這隻測速遭殭機造成了前面的駕駛人因為他不確定他有沒有超速"},{"start":10188.007,"end":10198.373,"text":"突然的一個減速造成了車輛依據減慢速度造成了有車輛停止導致我因而在高速公路上面發生事故其實我想這種情況應該也是沒有很少見其實剛剛講的兩個問題第一個是不合理的速率另外一個是設置的一個地點的問題"},{"start":10210.319,"end":10236.421,"text":"那不合理的速率這一點我知道我們交通部我忘記哪個單位應該在前年的時候有做一個我們我國那個道路設計速率的一個限速的一個研究報告到底是要用設計速率往下調來當作速限還是要用85分位的自然流速來調我知道你們想請我做個報告雖然說那個報告我不是很認同但是因為在報告過程當中"},{"start":10237.56,"end":10252.947,"text":"其實我沒有看到太多國外的經驗是支持大區段就是設計速率的方式來訂速限反而是好像看報告的過程都是支持85分位速率的或是調高速限的支持比較多那結論不知道為什麼就是用成這個設計速率"},{"start":10255.228,"end":10259.733,"text":"那沒關係我知道設計速率還是85分會這件事情要去調這個全國性的一個問題那包括這個要調的話那可能會是一個大的克里或是地方政府他可能也有權依照現場的情況去調速率所以我覺得認為這速率這一件事情就先擺在旁邊我們先討論測速照相機"},{"start":10275.852,"end":10291.284,"text":"設置的一個問題所以說我要先請教我們的這個運營所我們算是專業的幕僚單位我們有沒有曾經做過測速照相機設置對於道路交通安全的影響相關的一個報告"},{"start":10295.731,"end":10321.374,"text":"報告委員我們是沒有針對這樣的題目去做研究報告因為大部分來講因為測速照像這個部分都是後續在完工的陸續在偵測出來 是 他大部分的經驗就是因為發生了那些地方常常又發生車禍而且車禍的原因事後檢討起來跟超速比較有關所以在這種情況之下那有警察警政單位在在這個路段上面去偵測出來的"},{"start":10322.535,"end":10337.854,"text":"所以我們不會在道路一開始在設計的時候我們就可能認為說哪一個路段他可能是相對的危險譬如說他前面有急彎然後可能我們來設置一個測速道的降機來做一個警示希望他發慢速度我們道路在"},{"start":10338.995,"end":10353.95,"text":"當初要興建的時候並沒有這樣的規劃而是在事後由警政單位然後再依現場的情況或者說是有沒有發生個案來設置我們的社都道將軍設置的一個邏輯目前是這樣子嘛對不對是的 因為道路設計的時候是以安全為原則"},{"start":10355.111,"end":10379.192,"text":"所以一般來講在交通單位來講他最強調的除了剛剛講設計速率跟地形的這個變化去決定他的路型的設計之外對於比較容易發生狀況的當然憑經驗也可以有瞭解那一般來講我們會用標誌標線的方式去提醒駕駛人原則上在這樣的情況之下是提醒駕駛人在這地方要小心過彎或是前方有岔路進來這種狀況我們比較會採取所以我們有沒有檢討過"},{"start":10382.875,"end":10400.461,"text":"當這些測速照相機設置了之後那它到底有沒有對我們要改善的一個問題來進行改善或者是它甚至有沒有可能去發生一個負面的效果譬如說我剛剛自身的一個被追撞的一個經驗因為我們可以看到我們全台灣的一個造勢的一個統計"},{"start":10402.682,"end":10421.342,"text":"因為超速和肇事的統計資料的比例一直以來都是非常低的那肇事的一個案件其實也是持續的攀升所以我們都沒有在做一個系統性的測速照相機設置對於道路交通安全的影響的一個評估從來沒有做過"},{"start":10422.335,"end":10446.716,"text":"一般來講這是行為的問題確實我們沒有這樣的課題去做研究不過也跟委員報告因為自從有測速照相這樣技術出現之後我們應該政府不是以處罰為原則是 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很棒接下來就是要提到您一上任以後因為您過去也是非常優秀非常傑出為國爭光的選手所以針對卓中泰院長也提到說我們的單項委員會叫做特定體育團體要做一些改革所以我們也把過去"},{"start":2511.246,"end":2540.354,"text":"运动部推出了运动员委员会的改革方案把过去运动员委员会由理事长推进要改成现役运动员选举的方案那这个本席也觉得不错那我们可以听听现役运动员的心声但上一次这本席在这里跟这个郑世忠次长在答的时候是说我们的选手会有这样的心力这样的时间来做这样的参与吗那您过去是选手我希望您今天以您过去的这个实际的经验来回答一下那同时还有一个问题就是说如果"},{"start":2540.974,"end":2560.867,"text":"真的有選手可以投入的話可是根據運動部運動員委員會組織檢責範本規定也就是說我們相關的決議都一定還要送理事長同意那事實上如果是這樣的話我們的主導權其實還是在單項協會理事長的手上並沒有達到您想要改革的一個目標所以針對這兩點能不能說明"},{"start":2562.945,"end":2588.642,"text":"跟委員您報告那身為運動員我認為其實有非常運動員關心自己的運動權益所以我認為這部分第一個部分的話我相信有很多運動員會願意來參與的對不起我打斷一下後面可以不要干擾部長嗎好不好你們部長其實你要相信他他是可以答的好不好你這樣反而會干擾他謝謝委員你們太保護他了你要相信你們的部長謝謝委員剛剛講了我身為運動員其實有"},{"start":2591.684,"end":2614.77,"text":"我们有发现非常多的运动员愿意来发声来去做这些那过往其实很多运动员其实没有发声的那种管道所以在如同我刚刚口头报告我们建制了部长信箱而且运动部长所以您跟这些就是选手也有沟通过他们是有这个想法有这个心力也会有这个时间可以来配合投入这样的一个改变"},{"start":2614.77,"end":2642.021,"text":"委員跟您報告那它的時間是由運動員委員會這些委員自己選出的時間所以如果以我們羽球為例我們大部分時間在比賽好那至於本席剛剛所說的就是說那即便如此其實我們相關決議出來以後你還是要送理事長同意以後才能實施所以我們所有的主導權還是在單向委員會的理事長手上不是嗎運動部同時會在開會的時候會有運動部的同仁與會所以同時我們也會受到那理事長如果堅持不同意呢"},{"start":2642.421,"end":2662.037,"text":"那我們會敬請協會督促辦理協會督促理事長我們督促協會辦理你們督促協會但協會的這個領導還是理事長啊我們與會會有運動部的同仁所以他會知道這些訓練所以他是勸說他還是有實際的這個權利可以要求他我會請他積極去處理這個"},{"start":2663.48,"end":2688.863,"text":"對好部長我想本席今天提出來你回去思考一下如果說我們是勸說他道德勸說或者是說跟他分析跟他溝通這效率是不大的所以部長我覺得這一點回去想一想會後找一個時間我想把這個報告一下好不好再來很重要的非常重要運動部從9月掛牌到現在已經兩個多月的時間了但是我們看到人力嚴重的吃緊"},{"start":2690.185,"end":2703.72,"text":"你看行政院合订给运动部的预算余额在114年286个人目前只有188个人所以我们还有98个缺额我们全民运动署合订的余额是101人"},{"start":2704.901,"end":2719.517,"text":"目前到任也只有35人所以我們不足還有66人這個100多個人164個缺額其實真的是非常非常的多然後我們從運動部的官網上面看到有 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谢谢我们好 最后一个我跟赵有一两分钟的时间最近其实部长您真的很忙为什么我们看到运动部最近要跟外交部合作对不对对林佳龙部长要跟部长您合作其实我看到几个第一个我们跟文化部合作远洋合作其实本席觉得还不错文化币 运动币合在一块让我们的年轻人既可以做文化活动又可以运动本席这次看到外交部这个"},{"start":2882.358,"end":2911.285,"text":"合作 我覺得也不錯因為呢 我們是有一個計畫這兩個部要協力推動太平洋三永幫運動人才培育計畫透過派遣教練的這個協訓一地訓練等等讓大家透過運動外交的投資運動外交的交流可以讓大家共好那也可以讓外交的這個更往外推展一步那所以我覺得這個還不錯不過我想請教一下我們這個計畫那這個預算是要由運動部來編還是外交部來編"},{"start":2912.245,"end":2924.826,"text":"這部分我們還有與外交部正在積極的洽詢那其實最主要的部分我們現在作為外交部的合作我們會作為明年亞運還有與友邦的這個我知道所以現在那個預算還不知道編在哪裡是嗎"},{"start":2927.309,"end":2942.623,"text":"兩邊都有編預算兩邊都有編預算好那我們審查預算再來講不過本席看到一個比較特別的最近環境部也找你了對部長他們覺得自己很忙因為您真的自帶流量又有這麼大的影響力"},{"start":2943.404,"end":2971.678,"text":"因為本席樂見各部會找你一起來大家推動政務我覺得這都是好事啦但是必須要知道您看到你的本業務其實本部業務就這麼忙這麼多事情要做那如果說有其他的事情本席也很擔心會耽誤到你在執行運動部上面很多業務的時程那按照你原來來的初衷跟理想有好多事要做那你看連環境部都來環境部要做什麼環境跟環保活力永續"},{"start":2972.819,"end":2986.941,"text":"你們簽合作備忘錄欸對本席從來沒看過這個部跟部之間簽合作備忘錄欸這個行政一體不就是大家要合作嗎為什麼去簽了合作備忘錄啊是誰怕誰不在這個位置上嗎"},{"start":2988.348,"end":3006.974,"text":"他們來找你說怎麼說的我們希望運動賽事跟環保可以有更加精進的作為例如說我們的保特瓶還有可以從我們運動部可以更加的無紙化好 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所以我要講說你有人去了是不是還沒還沒因為就在忙業務對 準備要去要去跟他們講後續會去那針對大谷祥平這種明星球員你覺得運動部可以給予哪些方面的技術指導或者是科研還是怎麼樣"},{"start":5515.373,"end":5535.904,"text":"我們國訓運科中心有科技的研發但能不能讓大谷祥平也進入到那這個應該有待商議有待商議因為大谷祥平是比較特殊的運動員可是我看媒體報導已經有很多方面的訊息出來比如說大谷祥平好像比較怕左投"},{"start":5537.117,"end":5561.004,"text":"所以其實大家有在做研究啦可能部長你再關心一下啦也許就是你太緊張了好 謝謝委員再關心 因為這個也是國人關心的然後另外一個就是我們也擔心基層棒球因為中國大陸要成立城市棒球的聯盟嘛那他們這一次棒球他是用城市來做單位所以很多人就會想說他可能他金援會比較充足"},{"start":5561.69,"end":5583.865,"text":"然後也要結合他們的一些文化推廣甚至於就是有開出好像我聽說是有17萬台幣的薪水去挖角我們這邊的訓練員所以連訓練員都可以出17萬的話代表他可能可以開更高的價格去挖角我們像教練或者是棒球員等等如果我們整個"},{"start":5584.665,"end":5613.349,"text":"那麼多的從教練棒球員到訓練員營養師裁判很多被挖角過去的話他影響的不是我們的競技項目而已他可能會影響到我們基層棒球那有關於這一塊我運動部有做什麼因應的策略嗎後續我們在規劃這個我覺得這個職業棒球職業化的任何運動我們還是希望說將我們自身的環境打造的更加好我知道那個部長講的比較抽象一點我是說因為我問得蠻具體的嘛"},{"start":5613.609,"end":5633.644,"text":"就是說針對中國大陸開始要發展棒球要挖角我們的不是只有球員那您現在有開始注意到這個議題嗎有那請問有做哪些因應的策略嗎這部分我們有做跟業務單位去進行會議然後去了解我們運動部能夠給予怎樣的所以只是在了解還打不出來就對了"},{"start":5634.431,"end":5653.974,"text":"目前還有沒關係 這個我不為難你啦但是因為我剛剛問了很多問題其實都沒有回答都沒有回答那是不是事後可以請你們提供報告給我好 會後我們再提供報告再來就是我想問一下有關於這個皮克球的問題啦我看部長你平常也有打皮克球嘛"},{"start":5654.844,"end":5672.232,"text":"有打過幾次打過幾次三到四次那皮克球有些人陌生但實際上他在美國運動協會運動產業協會是評估是成長最快速的運動之一那可以把它想像成說就在羽毛球場上打桌球"},{"start":5673.252,"end":5691.252,"text":"它的好處就是它的強度沒有像網球這麼激烈所以蠻適合全民運動運動部其中有一個業務就是要推廣全民運動沒錯吧 對不對對所以我覺得那個運動部應該要花點資源在皮克球上面而且它可以做到例如說親營共"},{"start":5692.774,"end":5706.128,"text":"共榮就是長輩也可以打然後年輕人也很喜歡大家可以來一起打不只是運動之外還可以社交但是現在皮克球遇到的問題部長你知道遇到的問題最大如果要推廣的話問題在哪嗎"},{"start":5708.564,"end":5729.867,"text":"我們當然場地主要就是場地我以新北市為例新北市現在就是找比較使用率低的籃球場把它改造成皮克球場但這也需要很多經費你如果要另外興建的話要更多經費所以初步來講是以舊有的其他球場的活化為主"},{"start":5730.387,"end":5757.967,"text":"所以我希望說運動部可以在皮克球這個球場的預算經費方面可以多多補助地方政府因為做這個事情其實符合運動部的目標運動部有一個重要業務我看你的報告就是全民運動那這部分我不知道部長你們今年編的多少預算在皮克球場的補助這部分我們也有編預算在明年的部分會有縣市政府來申請設施上面的大概多少錢"},{"start":5758.991,"end":5784.265,"text":"大概多少好 沒關係沒關係好 沒關係這個您也是給我們一個報告好不好好 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媒體有時候寫的都不少還好你有機會澄清第三行這樣的紓壓不然我本來覺得蠻勵志的就是打電動後來去可以後來拿到羽球的奧運金牌的"},{"start":5925.913,"end":5941.743,"text":"我會講電競主要談兩件事情第一件事情是像電競啊比如像街舞啊或者是什麼衝浪啊這些其實現在國際的競技賽事有個趨勢就是年輕人喜歡的好像都有可能會成為國際賽事的項目之一"},{"start":5942.663,"end":5970.081,"text":"但是他的人才的尋找好像和一般以前從學校養成的人才不太一樣所以第一塊就是有關於人才我們可以預想到說哪些項目有可能會被列為運動項目在人才的尋找上面我覺得運動部要先去思考一下怎麼去跟比如說一些俱樂部一些職業聯盟或一些社團去做接軌第二件事情是針對電競電競其實"},{"start":5973.183,"end":5993.836,"text":"電競的退休就是比賽完之後退役的選手其實有一個很大的問題可能像部長部長您是也是算運動員退役下來但是您的發展就是應該算最好的啦可以之一啦當到運動部部長但是第一個電競選手他們退下來之後他們去處第二個是他們很容易有職業傷害因為經過"},{"start":5997.169,"end":6023.467,"text":"有一些調查發現他們25歲退下來之後因為長期一直用手指然後一直坐著然後一直看螢幕所以視力受損然後有時候會脊椎問題然後手指關節會有問題那這一塊運動部有沒有針對像電競選手他們退役下來比如說有關於身體這一塊或者是職業這一塊有特別的有哪一方面規劃跟照顧嗎跟委員報告那後續我們會就這一塊去做規劃"},{"start":6024.824,"end":6030.065,"text":"後續所以現在還沒有目前這一塊應該在電競選手的退役應該還沒有"},{"start":6031.479,"end":6055.136,"text":"因為你一定就是大家會投入這個產業或者是這個單項一定是思考說會想到之後嘛會想到之後你之後越完善可以吸引到更多人才願意投入所以事後 之後的保障我覺得也是蠻重要的它對於吸引人才是蠻關鍵的有 我們會重視這一塊那因為我剛剛因為不管第一來啦就是其實可能業務還沒有那麼熟但是 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周天成 戴思穎等等的偷偷都在有這些的這些金牌還包括是拳擊 空手道等都獲得這邊那闊闊國光獎金還可以達到最多到2000萬的這樣的一個獎金我們也看到是在有國光"},{"start":7163.679,"end":7190.295,"text":"體育獎章包括運動部有所謂運動發展基金這邊做選手的培育這些對特別是有優秀的潛力的運動選手都做這些到90萬到2000萬的這種獎勵金那現在最重要的我們包括是想跟你講還有包括是這些看起來洋洋灑灑國光獎章 獎助群選手輔導計畫還有基優選導的轉型等等包括更重要是他們如果退役之後包括像您也是在幾次退役的"},{"start":7191.315,"end":7200.283,"text":"那包括還有運動選手的就業的部分那您很好事就是竟然也是做到一個運動的部長這是非常好事情但是您自己在"},{"start":7202.136,"end":7227.583,"text":"剛剛就任運動部長的時候也出現到說黃金計畫有問題自挑腰包你自己都還自挑腰包去補助的其他選手包括六名的羽球選手這個部分黃金計畫這邊在你上任之後有沒有特別的在針對肌肉的選手這邊有些輔導的措施當然我這句再混的是說也請部長去談談你真實的訓練成本跟政府補助當中的差距是多少"},{"start":7229.284,"end":7247.835,"text":"第一個黃金計畫有沒有針對這些部分處理然後再來就是您的心裡的感想跟委員您報告那黃金計畫的部分在自掏腰包剛剛講的黃金計畫我認為其實就像剛剛張委員所講的其實黃金計畫的宗旨是為我們的奧運奪牌那當然"},{"start":7249.656,"end":7263.724,"text":"現在現行的有五六級的部分那後續我們都會一併在黃金計畫跟淺優計畫的部分一併去進行盤整跟全面性的改良那我自掏料包的部分我認為說現行有很多優秀的選手"},{"start":7265.444,"end":7288.135,"text":"他的訓練態度與比賽態度值得我讚賞那我自掏腰包這是我個人的行為那當然我很感謝說過往我也遇到不管是國家的栽培還有身邊教練老師等等的貴人的資助那我希望說以好 很好因為看起來是不過你是獎勵的行為是你用個人去獎勵其實也代表說可能國家的還是不夠但是你個人的親善是好事情"},{"start":7288.835,"end":7315.244,"text":"那對於你真實的成本你自己的訓練你自己的經驗來看怎麼樣跟政府補助的差距你覺得政府補助是夠嗎如果在第一級的話是前三級的選手我認為是蠻夠的但是這接受性是大概有成名的嘛對不對那是後面你剛才說五六級對不對對因為黃金計畫的宗旨就是為我們奧運多盼對所以這邊對五六級的備備我想部長你也知道因為我們需要新生代這邊就請你承諾是不是繼續再加強這個部分後續我們會"},{"start":7315.584,"end":7342.897,"text":"會做這部分這個年齡層的規劃我們會希望說能夠再讓整個的支持運動選手的部分有更全面性的培育那包括就業的部分因為總統府的公報都呈現了這個改善計畫這邊對於退休後的生活照顧制度的這個改善計畫是不是能夠在一個月時間提出這個改善計畫給本席呢國訓中心這邊有一個退役選手轉任教練的一個計畫那目前人數應該"},{"start":7344.67,"end":7360.275,"text":"好 那就事後再給好了好不好已經有了這個計畫因為在今年的時候我都看到總統府的公報都呈現這樣的新聞老師總統都注意到了好 那另外一個很重要的情況是在於說你本身也是奧運的選手 金牌的我們看看你在2021年在東京奧運得獎之後"},{"start":7363.436,"end":7378.148,"text":"那時候林楊沛就台北市捷運局就開發了一個悠遊卡那也跟柯市長視訊但是在網路上面就出現到按不下去王麒麟他還出來解釋是什麼理由我們後來又看到在去年2024的時候看到你的好搭檔王麒麟他剛好穿著一個K跟P的外套在這邊"},{"start":7387.396,"end":7405.441,"text":"結果又再次被出征他說 我還以為小草在現這種情況我們看到的是台藝有必須看到 繼續再看到的是去年因為要打防炸 要防堵那這個職棒跟職燃的球員工會他們主動就是整個陳勤幹也是在運動產業發展條例的修法公聽會上他們就出席了"},{"start":7411.843,"end":7439.958,"text":"那這個過程當中看到是前球員的工會理事長周思齊還做了這個跟本黨的王國光委員他就是在合照結果這個合照一出去之後這次公開行程就叫側翼出征網軍就嗜血的這樣一個批評那好在大家看到耳熟能詳是看到右邊其實還有一位是更可能目前更有名的是陳潔憲可是那時候是去年發生7月陳潔憲的出名是在去年的12月"},{"start":7440.778,"end":7466.096,"text":"那這個部分我們想要特別強調的是說請問部長啊體育運動選手跟政治的關係分際怎麼拿是不是您作為運動部的部長升格之後你再對說先說一下你的運動跟政治的關係你的看法是怎麼樣我認為我們身為運動員來講的話我們當然希望為我們國家爭取榮耀那當然我們也希望所有的我們所謂的國民能夠支持我們的運動員"},{"start":7467.935,"end":7494.483,"text":"支持運動員那具體的方式呢你是不是在這邊我認為運動員身為運動員來講我在巴黎奧運之前確實也遭受了許多的網友的攻擊但我認為那時候大家也普遍不認為我們可以繼續奪得奧運的金牌那我相信這後來我們都後續化為力量來去站在賽場上那我希望說這部分我們還是當然我們後續還是會去進行運動員的關懷以及照顧"},{"start":7496.664,"end":7521.12,"text":"好這部分您所呈現出來的一個立場我希望說你當然再重申說你願意提升而出就是確認運動員國手的價值應該大於他的政治立場這些部分因為剛才我整個撲神起來就是說國家培育一個選手尤其要進入到奧運的選手的甚至要奪盤的選手真的很不容易幾千萬好幾年下來所以這部分呢您要確定你的立場同意嗎"},{"start":7522.079,"end":7530.537,"text":"我同意我們國家的運動員應該要代表我們國家去爭取最高榮耀最高榮耀所以其他的干擾事實上這些是不應該的是吧"},{"start":7532.579,"end":7561.144,"text":"我们希望运动员能够在不被干扰的环境下努力去为国争光好 谢谢 非常好那我们刚刚有一些政大正义的部分就看到的是在2022年的时候冬季奥运的竞速滑冰选手黄玉婷因为在私人的这个练习的时候穿上了一个中国队的练习衣包括就后来被收回补助可是她之前的时候在当时的在美美的各项比赛中拿到冠军这样很好的资格可以看到有这么多的这个争先赛中都有冠军的这样子的情况"},{"start":7561.784,"end":7586.849,"text":"可是看到他後來因為發生這件事情之後被傳就傳上去了啦他自己傳上去但是他被呈現出來的是把收回補助的結果他結果呢他到後來是根本在整個24個人的最優先的全球最優先的24個人的選手名單當中呢就比賽選手當中他事實上變成最後一名這部分承受了非常大的壓力啦後來他就宣布退役了啦那這個地方我就要問問的是"},{"start":7589.79,"end":7600.062,"text":"部長對於這件事情如果未來還在發生這種事情尤其是我們看到運動場上各國選手他們交換他們的布品等等系中品如果再發生類似的情形運動部應該如何來因應"},{"start":7603.533,"end":7619.683,"text":"我认为这部分的话我们当然在会希望说后续有规范选手言行我认为国家支持的所有运动员当然要注重他的所有的言行举止那所有的运动员为我们台湾出征国际赛事他其实就是我们台湾的代言人"},{"start":7620.67,"end":7643.822,"text":"對好這邊也把你的份記抓清楚了好謝謝所以我們也甚至有話跟大家講國際奧會憲章的第六條就講說的運動員的尊嚴應該大於國家的尊嚴你剛才有的意思還在存在的時候是國家的尊嚴這部分國家尊嚴的確是我想當然這邊事先的溝通協調在這邊奧會的部分因為有些在難民的部分甚至俄羅斯他後來並因為出進"},{"start":7646.943,"end":7663.553,"text":"就是跟烏克蘭的戰士當中呢他被除名但是他事實上還可以用所謂的俄羅斯的就是ROC的這樣的一個團隊你也知道嘛所以運動員他即使沒有國家的一個代表性但是他本身還可以組成運動員因為這是國家是全人類的一個效果存在著同意吧"},{"start":7664.534,"end":7681.779,"text":"我認為俄羅斯的確實最後還是有選手參與奧運我認為這是一個很棒的案例這個就是國際二號會憲章所宣傳宣譯宣傳的意思在於運動員的尊嚴大於國家的尊嚴的意思在所以它含有人格尊嚴跟言論及執行自由的部分"},{"start":7682.219,"end":7698.384,"text":"那最後的部分呢還有一個問題在於說運動部9月9號升格之後呢就出現到是跟教育部在體育的資源上面有些不同那因為有涉及到的是全民運動跟開放效應在您的這個業務報告當中也提到了"},{"start":7699.544,"end":7725.654,"text":"可是像我昨天到宜蘭去做一個協調會的時候發現到宜蘭的這個學校裡面因為特別的它的這個雨量特別的多這部分產生的漏水或排水現象很多的問題那現在想要問的是運動部對於教育部在於說學校運動場地它如果是使用全民運動的或是在競技項目的修繕有沒有什麼分攤的原則大原則是我們會補助棒球跟足球的部分"},{"start":7726.505,"end":7744.502,"text":"只有棒球跟足球部分嗎專項的部分專技競技競戰只有棒球跟足球的部分嗎專技運動我們還有基層訓練戰對 好可是我們昨天在教宜蘭的時候我們聽到一個很重要的事包括柔道的部分還包括那你們要說的全民運動的部分那個"},{"start":7745.868,"end":7764.406,"text":"房署長你這邊想到全民運動部門如果開放到校園的情況他們壞掉了那個操場上面竟然不是用PVPU的這個場子而是用什麼而是用人工草皮的把它放上去這樣的情況下我認為這事實上是合理的嗎房署長或是部長說一下"},{"start":7766.266,"end":7788.668,"text":"全民運動的部分當然希望推展全民運動是在合乎安全跟標準的場地上面來推展對 但是學校現在就經費不足因為我們現在要解決學校裡面他不願意開放的一些種種的一些原因包括有一些包括夜間照明或者是微網或者是有一些人力消耗性器材這個部分我們會來整個盤點學校不願意開放的包括法規的問題"},{"start":7789.669,"end":7805.979,"text":"那個可能會有被說土地這部分我們都會跟各縣市政府教育局這邊來做一個盤點處理所以這個地方我想是不是可以部長你也請說因為房署長也說了這部分是不是可以跟教育部就是原來在體育署這邊所負擔的業務但是現在遇到運動部這邊的話因為你們剛剛說的全民運動的部分署長說了部長你也應該同意是在於全民都應該在如果他進入到這個學校裡面的運動的話他盯著場地是要安全的這部分但是因為"},{"start":7818.587,"end":7841.859,"text":"你們兩個部會就是你也看到說你常常在參加的是跨部會的會議對不對沒錯這個部分請把重點跟教育部做一個是不是對學校競技場地或是在全民運動開放的這些場地的修繕時程確定3到5年可以做分期修復的部分是不是可以做一個清單確定大概是什麼原則在這個清單的部分把它列出來類似什麼類似大家弄清楚"},{"start":7842.239,"end":7854.396,"text":"後續我們會做輕重緩急的部分去做一個規劃對 那是不是可以在年底提出一個正式清單跟書面報告給本席時間上面可以三個月嗎三個月到明年二月嗎"},{"start":7855.656,"end":7873.556,"text":"盤點 因為要盤點全部的然後會有輕重緩急每一個長期不太一樣我實際上表示說可能從9月到現在來可能盤點速度還不夠快但是我覺得或是說需要做因為這是非常重要的我們看到了很多的國民眾他就到校園裡面去做但是他可能設備的這種老舊甚至是破損他會受傷甚至我們都還變成國賠"},{"start":7875.357,"end":7893.468,"text":"這事實上非常小可 但是經費的確不過就大家都是我們國民的事情跟教育部跟運動部的部分的經費就一定要合作了可以承諾嗎我們會來幫助三個月三個月提出這樣的一個修繕時程或是清單這部分好 OK 好 謝謝部長謝謝委員好 現在休息五分鐘"},{"start":7914.056,"end":7916.278,"text":"谢谢观看"},{"start":7948.507,"end":7956.419,"text":"感谢观看"},{"start":7974.723,"end":7978.366,"text":"谢谢大家"},{"start":7994.901,"end":8015.871,"text":"請不吝点赞 订阅 转发 打赏支持明镜与点点栏目"},{"start":8017.613,"end":8017.893,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":8037.432,"end":8056.147,"text":"好,我們來看看這張圖片的效果"},{"start":8072.836,"end":8085.021,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":8098.181,"end":8114.715,"text":"嗯嗯"},{"start":8118.677,"end":8145.792,"text":"這張圖是在2014年,是在2014年,是在2014年,是在2014年,是在2014年,是在2014年,"},{"start":8149.174,"end":8173.245,"text":"這張圖片是在2012年10月1日拍攝的。這張圖片是在2012年10月1日拍攝的。"},{"start":8177.5,"end":8180.725,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":8191.716,"end":8201.019,"text":"一般是會以偏稍微 偏稍微 稍微稍微"},{"start":8251.479,"end":8256.542,"text":"好我們會議繼續進行請羅廷維委員質詢好謝謝昭緯有請部長有請李部長"},{"start":8272.401,"end":8292.782,"text":"好部長好 部長本期先感謝運動部跟國訓中心專案報告諮詢後的確有立即的去協調讓亞運的電競項目順利的定案目前全部的參賽項目包括我們後面要追蹤追加的這個比賽項目都已經確認OK"},{"start":8294.223,"end":8315.996,"text":"並預計下月初要公告明年1月正式啟動培訓這就是選手最需要的一個進度本席肯定回應的速度但是也希望後續能夠繼續維持這樣子的一個效率讓選手能夠安心的備戰然而在單一賽事的一個行政協調只是短期的工作我們現在要來談談討是整個長期"},{"start":8319.497,"end":8346.786,"text":"電競我們的一個發展台灣的電競制度這樣子的一個道路上人許多有這樣子的結構問題需要部裡能夠真正的重視整個行政院裡面所有的部會首長我看來只有你一個人會玩英雄聯盟對吧跟委員報告我有玩我不確定其他部長們有沒有玩我不相信卓榮泰會玩"},{"start":8347.984,"end":8366.837,"text":"我不相信林佳龍會玩傳說對決英雄聯盟我不相信顧立雄會玩所以我只相信你會玩那你會玩你就要好好的重視電競好不好我們今天可以嚴肅但是放輕鬆好不好"},{"start":8368.223,"end":8389.511,"text":"根据2025年全球电竞的市场报告电竞市场规模预估到2029年将达63.6亿美元年复合成长率达到20.5%电竞已经从娱乐延伸到结合科技文化运动精神的一个跨产业的一个整个领域"},{"start":8390.231,"end":8411.339,"text":"各國紛紛都將電競納入到政策國家數位戰略的裡面台灣的電競發展走得非常的快走得非常的早我們是亞洲最早發展電競國家的之一我們從現在的星海爭霸冠軍"},{"start":8414.035,"end":8441.18,"text":"到亞運銀牌選手都是推動台灣電競制度化專業化的關鍵人物有他們才讓我們知道我們應該要重視2008年成立了TESL2010年職業聯賽我們登上電視轉播2012年我們還有TPA英雄聯盟奪下世界冠軍這些里程碑都證明台灣擁有深厚的基礎"},{"start":8442.895,"end":8462.4,"text":"然而我們的國際競爭力到現在我們擁有這麼好的一個開場我們出登板這麼的榮耀到了2017年我們電子競技正式納入運動產業發展條例主管機關明確的歸屬在教育部體育署"},{"start":8463.294,"end":8487.312,"text":"就是现在的运动部但是现在我们看到我们应该站在电竞迈向制度化起点但是纳入管理八年了教育看不到我们整个教育部的重视产业反而陷入了自生自灭的困境去年英雄联盟世界赛的时候就有媒体问我"},{"start":8488.444,"end":8503.579,"text":"我當時比喻台灣電競已經住進了家務病房我要鄭重道歉我講太快了不是家務病房是安寧病房安寧病房"},{"start":8505.342,"end":8531.863,"text":"為什麼我會這樣說選手靠熱情在支持啊戰隊在靠募資在生存啊比賽只能靠企業在贊助啊國家呢國家呢國家呢國家缺乏了長期的藍圖穩定的預算跟跨部會的整合機制啊導致整個產業在整個全球的競爭當中沒有隊友沒有靠山"},{"start":8533.123,"end":8558.524,"text":"才會迫使整個電競走進了安寧病房反觀韓國日本韓國能培育出年收入上億的選手我去韓國那個Faker到處都他的廣告日本能靠政府協助打通產業教育運動而台灣的選手呢要自己找場地要自己募金費打比賽"},{"start":8560.031,"end":8588.007,"text":"我們的電競產業發展幾乎完全仰賴民間自生自滅所以今年國際奧委會也宣布2027年要舉辦第一屆他原本宣布啦但是近期傳出沙烏地阿拉伯談判方有破局但無論如何我先問你一句話回答我你覺得電競會不會納入奧運"},{"start":8590.626,"end":8619.168,"text":"未來有可能會納入奧運這個可能你覺得1到100%有多高目前他已經納入亞運那我認為他到奧運的機會也非常之高我認為99%所以我們納管了8年耶未來一定會有奧運項目是電競我們在等什麼等他正式納入奧運才要來支持這項運動嗎我們這是一個極為重要的戰略契機"},{"start":8622.174,"end":8648.715,"text":"電競走向國際競技的一個體系這是遲早的事情但是但是為什麼我會這麼的激動今天我翻閱本次送到立法院的運動部業務報告裡面發現整份報告裡面沒有任何關於電競的佈局部長我對你真的是非常的期待"},{"start":8650.396,"end":8670.053,"text":"所以為什麼開場我就講你是會在部會首長裡面數一數二會玩英雄聯盟的這不是一句話而已這代表著是一個年輕代表是一個活力代表著是你懂電競所以我希望你要給運動部更多的活水"},{"start":8670.922,"end":8681.411,"text":"今天我只看到這份報告裡面把它納入了新興運動但是這新興運動裡面的定義內文寫著尚未獲國際奧會認可的運動寫這個"},{"start":8687.6,"end":8704.663,"text":"是在安慰自己因為我沒有規劃是因為他還沒認可嗎我覺得大可不必因為他一定會被認定為未來奧運的項目之一就是電競台灣的孩子在國際的發光一定會有機會"},{"start":8706.837,"end":8722.732,"text":"不用五年不用十年我們的孩子現在早就已經被世界看到了但是我們的政府卻沒有做這些選手的靠山所以我看到沒有規劃牛步到現在完全沒有跟上國際的趨勢我要問部長"},{"start":8727.576,"end":8741.003,"text":"電競納管8年了從以前的體育署到現在的運動部你認為運動部在人才培育選手管理以及賽事認證國家代表隊的制度的面向具體的制度要怎麼改革成果"},{"start":8743.322,"end":8758.828,"text":"跟委員報告那這部分在電競這一塊那在星星極限運動那我也非常認同委員您說的後續電競是否會納入奧運的項目那我們也非常期待那在電競這一塊在我上任之後我也積極的與電競協會去做後續的規劃以及藍圖"},{"start":8762.429,"end":8788.309,"text":"您在專案報告之前其實我們就已經有與協會的秘書長去做後續關於培訓以及未來的來部長我要的是具體的啦你先答應我一個很簡單的固定跟電競的相關產業來做一個與會可以嗎做得到嗎我親自你就算跟電競開會的時候你問他英雄聯盟怎麼玩我都沒意見可以我跟選手在一起"},{"start":8789.522,"end":8801.869,"text":"多吸收他們的想法多吸收他們該給你的一些困境這你做得到嗎做得到撥一個小時的時間跟他們語談跟他們吃個便當我不用什麼非常好的一個佈景"},{"start":8804.164,"end":8820.86,"text":"餐廳我只希望你花一個小時固定聽聽他們的心聲我也希望運動部是否願意啟動電子競技長城的發展計畫研擬電競產業的白皮書作為我國推動的藍圖這可以嗎電競的白皮書這個部分可能我講真的啦部長只要願意做"},{"start":8830.049,"end":8841.251,"text":"我必須講一個比較粗俗的話跟所有在座的各位分享網路影片曾經說過不要害怕你做出來的產品像一坨大便"},{"start":8843.939,"end":8860.56,"text":"你聽得懂這句話嗎不要害怕你做出來的成品像一坨大便它也會成為你未來成功的養分但是如果你連做出一份產品出奇的東西成果你都不願意做"},{"start":8862.356,"end":8888.996,"text":"這沒辦法在成功道路上成為養分跟委員報告我們會來努力我沒有要你做出白皮書100分但是我願意看著你 陪著你我們一起努力做出這第一份的白皮書我們慢慢來修正你願不願意做跟委員報告我們會來努力謝謝你我希望這一份魄力這一份決心我們真的要認真電競跟大家報告"},{"start":8891.323,"end":8902.239,"text":"電腦三個月就換一輪就新的來了電競已經八年了我們沒辦法再用年去等待電競產業的一個進步"},{"start":8905.578,"end":8934.017,"text":"每一分每一秒我們的孩子都會輸在國際的這些浪潮之下一分一秒的浪費就是讓台灣讓中華民國沒辦法再被世界看到所以拜託大家請運動部針對本席的建議包括研擬電競產業的白皮書盡力的去跟行政院來爭取跨部會的推動平台兩週內可不可以給我一個"},{"start":8934.617,"end":8941.885,"text":"研擬出具體的方案資料兩週內委員可以一個月嗎好一個月"},{"start":8942.892,"end":8967.76,"text":"好 謝謝委員原理方案不是說一個月給我白皮書啦我們都是願意陪伴合理性的去要求好不好謝謝委員另外我要再講的是救生員的檢定制度公辦的成效不彰是不是應該全面的檢討調整本席探討救生員的制度109年體育署也就是現在的運動部改裁全面公辦檢定"},{"start":8969.381,"end":8996.868,"text":"政府多年來投入相對的經費行政量能但整個整體的效能並沒有如預期今年暑假為例公辦的泳池反應救生員招募困難出現班表排不出來人力補不上顯現現行的制度就發生問題你沒有救生員要怎麼營運所以我已進一步查監察院資料2023年"},{"start":8998.795,"end":9015.17,"text":"報告明確指出救生員的人力供給逐年下降檢定的制度訓練實際需求產生落差部長你有沒有掌握這個資訊跟委員報告那我們確實全民署這邊有了解到這個部分還是由他來好請說"},{"start":9016.898,"end":9045.265,"text":"所以委員我大概兩天前有邀那個相關游泳池產業工會的代表到辦公室來討論一下目前他們針對公辦檢定還有其實目前是雙軌然後只要有就是私人的要辦理自辦檢定的部分我們現在也跟他們討論有一些困難的問題我們會協助幫他們來做一個應該要協助真的要認真去這個我們都有掌握現場的一些訊息然後我們一個一個來克服我想我跟部長講一下"},{"start":9045.905,"end":9066.314,"text":"檢定的內容仍以泳池體能為主啦難以反映開放水域的實際救援風險復訓制度過度的著重在體能門檻資深的救生員不易留任檢定流程行政的設計缺乏彈性普遍學員都說反映真的很不方便"},{"start":9067.609,"end":9096.562,"text":"所以训练机构这个部分许多训练的学员完成以后跨县市要报名公办厂次增加时间经济成本最重要薪资偏低责任又大所以人力当然会出现问题嘛所以综合监察院的调查地方政府反映训练机构的意见以及五年来公办检定的实际运作本席认为救生员制度必须全面检讨所以我要这一次的拜托部长"},{"start":9098.894,"end":9125.271,"text":"109年公辦上路前受認可的救生訓練機構在接訓後即可原地辦理檢定由主管機關派員監督流程相對的簡化變明也可以讓學員在體能最佳時完成檢驗但公辦上路以後場次有限流程固定反而造成訓練檢定被迫分離我想請問一下部長怎麼看待這樣子的一個制度落差"},{"start":9126.055,"end":9135.847,"text":"我覺得這部分跟委員報告那我們後續會做一個全面性的盤整跟規劃檢討什麼時候可以給我資料一個月"},{"start":9137.072,"end":9161.044,"text":"委員可以兩個月內嗎好我剛心裡也在想大概是兩個月謝謝委員有志一同那我想現行的公辦制度在人力的調整行政的成本便利銜接我覺得有沒有達到預先原先的預期看起來是沒有就一定要去慢慢的做調整也不要慢了因為現在人力真的已經差蠻多的所以"},{"start":9161.744,"end":9180.657,"text":"这一定流失不是单一因素我们希望现行制度的养成职业存在断层的时候我们应该要认真的去做整个内部的盘点请听训练补助复训职涯进修能力的认证让资深的救生员工作权的保障"},{"start":9181.733,"end":9201.031,"text":"這個部分我要真的要拜託提出全體具體的一個全面改善方案讓願意的人留得住做得久最後我也要再講救生員普遍反映執法依法在執行救援的時候實務上仍需面對後續的調查"},{"start":9203.331,"end":9230.768,"text":"甚至在溺水爭議的事件中也成為了被告造成第一線相當大的壓力也影響年輕人投入本席建議運動部要跨部會研擬結合法務部等相關部會確立更明確的程序指引法律協助制度減輕第一線在相關程序上法律的一個困難這做得到嗎有 我們會去與跨部會去做合作你覺得我講有道理嗎"},{"start":9232.675,"end":9242.623,"text":"委員就是我們要解決他們的問題對啊才會有人願意做啊不然最後大家都不做你就會有更多問題好不好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝羅廷維委員請部長回座請葛如軍委員質詢"},{"start":9267.724,"end":9275.723,"text":"謝主席 有請李洋部長好 請李部長委員好"},{"start":9276.243,"end":9297.98,"text":"部長 這應該是您第一次來立院的教育委員會進行業務報告也非常感謝您親自前來同時您身為前運動員 現任部長但我相信您一輩子都有運動員的精神我也要給予敬意因為我覺得運動員是我們國家非常重要的棟樑"},{"start":9300.162,"end":9306.247,"text":"我自己是阿宅比較不會運動但有某一種運動也許我們之後還有機會切磋剛剛羅廷偉委員是我們推動電競不遺餘力我雖然是不太會打電動但是英雄聯盟也是略經一二偶爾用一下易大師玩一下之後有機會大家也切磋切磋交流一下也了解一下我們年輕人的一些心思跟看法"},{"start":9327.584,"end":9345.88,"text":"我想本席今天還是想要就我比較不熟悉的運動員的處境要來多跟您請教討論本席上網看了一下運動部的體育運動贊助媒合平台這一點我覺得整合的精神我是予以肯定運動部藉由這個平台"},{"start":9346.32,"end":9367.682,"text":"希望能夠提供運動員和運動團隊更多公開露出的管道以及讓他們把他們的需求提出來讓企業和民眾可以更加便捷的去捐贈喜愛的運動員給他們一些相關的資源但是本席調查以後卻發現這個平台的成效好像人代加強"},{"start":9369.343,"end":9389.873,"text":"我們有稍微索取了相關的資料您可以看到在這個平台上面運動員和團隊的總需求您可以看最下面大概是114年大概是2億1314年加起來大概是2億5000萬那兩個年度在這個平台上他們實際上拿到的贊助只有1200萬"},{"start":9391.634,"end":9416.867,"text":"連零頭都可能有點算不上更何況其中我們看了還有很多項目落差的問題就是說特定項目拿到了很多的資源但是大部分的項目是沒有拿到資源的類別上面也有落差像我們這個阿宅一進去看到有個電子競技的馬上點進去想說會不會有電競戰隊可以來協助結果呢看起來是還沒有那整體來講看起來先看結果吧"},{"start":9417.307,"end":9444.332,"text":"就是說跟運動員還有團隊的需求還有實際創造的這個成效一千兩百萬的贊助這個差異巨大部長您怎麼看我認為這也是我們在媒合的部分後續會繼續努力那當然過去在運動員及團隊的贊助案子也是近幾年才比較盛行對我覺得這部分我們後續會在規劃上讓更多人知道有這個平台然後去擴大範圍"},{"start":9445.751,"end":9472.839,"text":"那部長應該理解啦運動員應該是有很多需求的沒錯吧那我覺得這個部長您可能要更仔細的去加強啦因為這個我覺得平台利益是非常好的那尤其現在電子化程度又很高民眾有很多的這種機制他希望能夠來贊助運動員像我昨天啊我其實就上去用了一下平台是可以點選運動類別啦那我看到我今天要跟您相見我就選了羽球啊"},{"start":9473.619,"end":9493.852,"text":"結果看到有羽球選手確實有專案在上面而且還蠻強的他是世界在巡迴的還有這個目標要排名前幾這樣他提出就是說他需要一百多萬我就不講太細免得大家去肉搜甚至我為什麼點了這位選手因為他還寫了說他要物資需求這物資需求"},{"start":9494.713,"end":9511.16,"text":"就是基貼要幾何這樣子那老實說我先講我希望部長有機會上去看一下您的也許就是您的朋友也許是您的學弟學妹學長學姐都有可能那甚至也不是語求方面的我是希望"},{"start":9512.1,"end":9540.967,"text":"這個部長有機會上去用一下甚至因為他也可以小額贊助那有一些東西要加強為什麼我昨天已經按贊助金額要送出去了今天還在審核中我現在要也不知道我是要轉帳還是能刷卡這個沒關係這個新的整合我們給予這個支持但是應該要趕快加強那為什麼呢是因為要跟您分享今年的7月8號我們立法院也很負責三讀通過了運產條例的修正案"},{"start":9542.102,"end":9570.488,"text":"其中不管是第26條還是第26之二的修正都是在鼓勵民間將資源投入到運動產業這個部分以明確的跟您分享那這次修法呢主要是增加企業贊助運動產業的意願但是呢卻沒有提升到一般民眾自然人的意願那我就是民眾嘛那您可能在捐助的時候在那個moment您也是一個民眾嘛公民的一份子"},{"start":9571.068,"end":9595.119,"text":"那如果連這些剛剛我們提到的運動部認可的運動員團體都募不到錢那其他更不知名的團體或選手其實可能就更不用想了部長您覺得透過付稅優惠的方式增加一般民眾捐助運動或團體誘因這樣的一個方式怎麼樣部長這邊還有沒有什麼做法可以改善我們現在運動員團體經費不足的問題因為能不能讓民眾來抵稅"},{"start":9599.801,"end":9617.128,"text":"那這樣子其實大家很多的熱心可以轉化為這些資源啊不管是錢還是基貼我覺得這個當然基貼他可能要用錢去買才能抵稅啊這部分部長您感覺如何您的這個您支持不支持啊"},{"start":9617.688,"end":9634.21,"text":"我認為這部分我們會去持續優化那我自己本人在今年度也有贊助六位羽球選手雖然我沒有使用此條例但我覺得我相信有非常多未來有更多的民眾願意來贊助我們運動員沒錯嘛應該要提升民眾一起來支持嘛我想台灣"},{"start":9635.131,"end":9655.216,"text":"大家是充滿了愛的那這部分要部長好好努力啦您自己是運動員我相信您一定最清楚運動員如果缺乏支持或支援造成的還不是沒有錢去比賽很可能他的這個不管是這個剛剛我們提到的機貼啊設備啊甚至是賽後的氧化"},{"start":9656.036,"end":9682.443,"text":"這可能都會受到影響這也是他們的整體的維護身體狀態的維護所以這部分麻煩部長回去研議一下剛剛我們說的增加民眾贊助的誘因之外還有沒有什麼方式可以幫助我們這些優秀的運動員再次本席也順便跟部長關心一下當初運產條例修法以後執法的狀況當初26條的修法增加企業捐助"},{"start":9683.463,"end":9701.712,"text":"這個主管機關認可全民運動發展之賽事可以獲得租稅優惠的修法想請問部長這個全民運動發展之賽事就是我框起來這個地方定義出來了嗎包不包含社區自己舉辦的小型比賽部長請回應"},{"start":9703.328,"end":9720.737,"text":"這部分應該還沒有明確的規定我們後續會去規範這個部分很好 感謝部長您很清楚這部分本席希望部長要趕快定義出來否則企業跟民眾的支持沒有一個更大的方向所以"},{"start":9721.838,"end":9738.312,"text":"本席也要強烈建議要納入民眾自辦的小型比賽當然我們剛剛羅廷偉委員還有我們非常多委員都關注的電子競技也希望能夠納入啦畢竟全民運動的推廣不只是全民署的成效也本來就是運動部成立的目的之一"},{"start":9738.812,"end":9761.261,"text":"希望部長您在因為這個可能會牽涉到財政部所以您在跟財政部溝通的時候要堅持住盡量放寬認可的標準可以嗎定義的執法大概什麼時候出來剛剛您有沒有承諾過有沒有承諾過沒有的話可不可以三個月內把執法定義提出來很長三個月很長了已經不知道又有多少個運動員"},{"start":9763.243,"end":9787.864,"text":"又在熬熬代補囉因為這個跟委員因為跟委員報告那這個涉及會要跟財政部的部分是不是可以給我們較長的時間因為四個月剛剛那個羅委員你都兩個月好啦那就四個月好不好但真的要快啦好不好真的要快那另外隨著這個2026亞運來想要跟部長額外討論禁藥管制工作的情況"},{"start":9789.105,"end":9799.358,"text":"目前這個部分是由財團法人中華運動禁藥防治基金會來做這個工作的處理那作為窗口該會採樣寄檢體送到國外"},{"start":9801.67,"end":9821.067,"text":"那從過去的資料其實您剛剛柯志恩委員也有提過啦但他提的比較快那過去的資料我們幫您整理近十年來我國不斷有因選手違反那有停賽 禁賽 取消成績今年到七月就已經有六位了那面對這些不斷有選手因為要務管制而無法出賽的問題"},{"start":9822.148,"end":9845.893,"text":"本席有收到一份在去年九月底剛剛柯委員有提到由眾多的奧運參賽選手教練以及學者寫給賴總統的信件這個信件主要是要求將禁藥管制機構行政法人化裡面反映了眾多現行的問題例如現行基金會的問題"},{"start":9846.753,"end":9872.094,"text":"例如在教育檢測和結果管理方面未能提供有效資源或者是內部管理不善這是裡面寫的因利益衝突遭檢舉並列舉眾多運動員因該基金會的種種缺失我現在都是念裡面的內容導致許多運動員出現不白之淵的事件部長 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謝謝部長再來我想要請教部長我們今年的巴林亞青運的成績非常亮眼我們有四十面的獎牌有七金九銀二十四銅那在出發前跟歸國後部長也都親自給我們小國手鼓勵那部長你也表示說成績不是一切讓這些孩子可以讓世界看見台灣也提到說要選手我們盡情享受比賽的過程部長你本身是運動員出身更是擁奪了奧運金牌"},{"start":10587.145,"end":10612.742,"text":"您認為心理素質的強化除了自我心態的提升之外跟多參與國際比賽增加眼界有沒有正向的關聯我認為參加這樣的亞輕運其實對我們的運動員來講國際賽事對我們運動員來講其實是好事但我們還是最希望他們能夠維持他們讀書好的習慣因為我們都是學生運動員我們同樣都在體育班上課希望他們保持好上課的習慣"},{"start":10613.803,"end":10639.899,"text":"其實當然如果可以學習運動兩不單我當然是家長也是都是這樣的希望的您本身是運動員我想您能夠體會對一個運動員來講能夠參與國際賽事能夠在現場去感受去觀摩這是一個非常重要很難得的學習那您認為說運動部在成立之後過去以奪牌為主的這種思維需不需要被改變尤其對這些小選手"},{"start":10640.199,"end":10659.595,"text":"他們青澳青運亞青運東亞青運等等比賽我們是不是可以放下過去對奪牌的這種思維的執著我們改用交流育成的這個方式來組團我為什麼提出這個問題呢就是我們這一屆的巴黎亞青運以人數來看我們的代表隊有153人但泰國是235人哈薩克是240人"},{"start":10662.757,"end":10677.743,"text":"其他的國家是全面的投入那國際間的這個奪牌大國日本其實在本屆的亞青運也只有四金喔那我們這次亞青運的參賽標準是上屆前四名配合澳亞運培訓則優"},{"start":10679.984,"end":10694.05,"text":"最近一屆青年綜合性賽前三以及最近一屆單項前三如果我們用這樣的標準這樣的條件去看我們要派最有奪牌希望的選手出賽變成說我能夠奪牌我才能比賽部長你覺得說"},{"start":10696.631,"end":10712.657,"text":"青年奧運會的宗旨本來就是促進運動參與為目的的但如果我們用這樣的概念用奪牌培訓這樣的框架去限制孩子參賽的機會這樣是不是對孩子們也是喪失了他們很難得可以參與的機會"},{"start":10713.737,"end":10739.861,"text":"跟委員報告那這個部分當然還是亞輕運是屬於比較大型的運動會當然我們還是會希望它的經費其實是有限的那我們當然還是會希望拋開奪牌的部分但同時在經費有限的情況下我們還是希望說讓這些運動員能夠去參與那好那部長您說了是我們拋卻是奪牌的這種執著的話其實在預算上經費上也是一個很重要的部分"},{"start":10740.441,"end":10769.221,"text":"那這個當中我還要提一下有單項協會他曾經提出申請他是因為不符合參賽標準直接被無視這個現象這個事情證明說即使他們不符合奪牌希望這個標準但是我們的選手我們的小選手們是很期待很希望可以有這個機會出賽的他們想要去交流想要去看看這個世界所以我希望說除了說在預算這個部分請我們運動部去努力之外呢孩子們的願望不能因為說他不符合"},{"start":10770.241,"end":10784.347,"text":"這個參賽標準被扼殺那過去體育署都被戲稱說是奪牌署那舊的體育署訂下這個參賽標準新的運動部應該有新的思維跟新的做法我希望說我們能夠研議修改2027在韓國這個東亞慶運有不同的選拔的辦法"},{"start":10788.869,"end":10814.029,"text":"希望運動部這邊可以審慎評估因為我自己在地方參加比賽的這些開幕的時候我除了為選手加油我都會說鼓勵選手我們以球會有 以賽會有我們運動技巧的提升呢我們就是觀摩觀察別人的這個比賽的技巧別人的團體我們以這是一個很難得而且很重要的學習啦所以希望說運動部將來不要再用舊思維來框住我們孩子的發展好嗎"},{"start":10814.807,"end":10831.377,"text":"委員 跟委員報告那我們這部分會在明年編列2027年的預算的時候我們會盡量去爭取預算讓更多的青少年能夠參與這樣的國際交流的賽事謝謝部長願意努力 謝謝謝謝主席 謝謝委員謝謝陳秀寶 趙偉謝謝部長 請回座現在請郭育晴委員質詢"},{"start":10848.902,"end":10875.72,"text":"好 謝謝主席有請部長好 有請李部長委員好部長辛苦了加油第一次備詢對不對對我想今天要談的有三個方向第一個我想討論的就是關於我們的運動員平權的一些問題我想這個核心的問題其實在於身為精英的身障"},{"start":10876.62,"end":10896.781,"text":"選手精英的身上選手他居然要用自行募款才能夠參加國際比賽我想這個除了是一個核心的問題也是一個制度面的一個問題甚至我們聽到這樣子的一個內容跟他所闡述的一些在FB上的一些文章文字其實我們也替這樣子的一個制度感到一些憂心"},{"start":10897.862,"end":10921.204,"text":"好 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的選手"},{"start":11677.537,"end":11686.484,"text":"你針對這個奧林匹克的運動選手成立這個合協會啊,對到我們國這個體育政策啊,這幾年來,你不一定有了解,但是你認為影響到你體育部,對到這運動政策,會對你的有造成影響嗎?"},{"start":11703.38,"end":11721.111,"text":"我認為有愈來愈好的趨勢 跟委員報告愈來愈好是怎樣就是我們認為整體的運動環境有愈來愈好我講這個協會啦就是說奧林匹克的選手成立這個協會會把你現在推動運動在各單行甚至對選拔選手一直叫你制定運動情勢它對你有正面的影響其實是對你造成風海"},{"start":11734.828,"end":11763.442,"text":"跟委員報告說實話沒關係 因為我們是民隊問題嘛對不對尤其你是奧林匹克出身的選手有 委員我是講實話但主要是因為我的台語確實沒有到這麼好我聽到 沒關係來 抱歉好 這是個奧運人成立了組織了我們這個學會他們當然就是要推動甚至於是為了什麼目的那我們希望是整合更多的力量在於國家體育的發展"},{"start":11764.363,"end":11791.723,"text":"那你認為這個協會對於你推動這個運動部來那對你的推動是會造成漢革還是會有所幫助我認為奧運人協會他是屬於奧運有參與過奧運的選手的人才能參與那我認為說他沒辦法取代現在的中華奧會那我認為說中華奧會有他很重要的責任在"},{"start":11793.115,"end":11820.36,"text":"那你有加入這個協會嗎奧運人協會我有奧運人協會你有加入我有參與所以你覺得他們沒辦法影響現在現有的規則和辦法我認為他們應該不是以這個方向去做那他應該要能提供更多的協助在這個角度來希望做更多的演講讓身為有奧運的選手更多的曝光好 對於基層的改革你知道國產行業"},{"start":11822.808,"end":11850.025,"text":"在過去所有包括歷載來優秀的奧運選手都是從基層出來的那在高中到小學這些體育界有一群老兵無怨無悔的付出幾乎每個月甚至他領的薪水都還要倒貼在選手的身上太多了然後很多學校就是"},{"start":11851.397,"end":11877.986,"text":"家長看不下去然後就家長變成運動選手的家長變成後援會的基本會員就放他們在島內那你現在運動部的經費多了這麼多你有去思考就是說對基層國高中小學這一些運動老兵對他們有沒有增加一些資源上的補助幫忙"},{"start":11879.025,"end":11906.923,"text":"你有沒有提出具體的計畫這部分無論是在基層訓練站還有在專任教練的部分我們都有去做規劃沒有 那是以前就有嘛但就是因為嚴重不足就是說你現在擔任部長以後有沒有針對這一群給予精神上的鼓勵大家都會嗎實質上的經費有增加你有沒有提出具體的作為目前是經費有增加那當然我們會怎麼增加"},{"start":11908.705,"end":11933.159,"text":"我們會沒關係 你把你對他們怎麼增加具體的數字 算給我1分好1個月來給我好 沒問題因為這個大家都關心 大家都吃不乾了我們做家長的跟教練的互動中間 大家互出 變成互相聽受來栽培到你們這裡的國手"},{"start":11938.673,"end":11964.786,"text":"當然很多國手也沒有人很辛苦啊沒有得到獎牌以前沒有人關注啊當你進到公盟的時候今天又是悠閒來行為 拿到寶座你竟然要去灰頭 飲水酥丸你是怎樣人家把你栽培起來 對不對你想到那個老師 那個教練做到退休是退而不休還繼續奉獻想到我們的感動老百姓"},{"start":11966.883,"end":11991.648,"text":"所有一樣 野球也一樣 卡球也一樣 遊營也一樣所以有時候 他們的感情沒辦法 我現在就怕說我現在新的單位出來 新的協會我拿出建言 要打打鼓勵可以改革啦 但是有一些情感上的結合運動選手不是只有靠技術而已很多是政治和教練政治上的安打"},{"start":11992.844,"end":12019.907,"text":"有比賽型的你敢知道什麼叫比賽型的跟訓練型的算什麼你知道嗎就是比賽打得特別好然後比賽型的就是比賽打得特別好訓練型的就是通常在... 屁股的在訓練喔我打架起來教練就撤了啊啊你知不知道 吊鈴鐺都沒在講結果處理騎車 打結架 哄人家有的比賽很認真 每次都漂亮 教練把他打破我耳朵 騎出去就三振"},{"start":12022.062,"end":12039.14,"text":"你是算比賽型的還是訓練型的我算穩定型的穩定就對了 你訓練也好 比賽也好訓練還行 但比賽要好一點你可以讓我們台灣所有的體育選手都像你這樣嗎"},{"start":12041.158,"end":12059.967,"text":"那我在運動你要怎麼做我希望我們運動員也要知道他們要足夠自律以及在這些剛剛委員提到的教練其實我們有非常多基層老師教練其實付出了非常多包含自掏腰包的部分那過往我也當了老師你知道教練都有自掏腰包因為過往我當老師我也有自掏腰包"},{"start":12061.861,"end":12080.686,"text":"這一點就是問題就是我今天問你的核心問題這一點就是說針對你在高中以前有沒有被列為重點培訓選手沒有沒有嘛所以你是異類那如果在你高中以前就有透過科技選拔"},{"start":12082.166,"end":12107.977,"text":"你有特定的某些特徵還有比較強的技能或是特殊的包括體魄上的 體格上的 包括精神上的現在體育部有沒有針對這些要做研議針對高中 國中 小學這些有興趣成為體育選手的這些你做什麼比較具體的科技檢測法"},{"start":12109.468,"end":12137.847,"text":"跟委員報告是不是請業務單位來做訪問 謝謝你本身有領委推動這是必要的嗎我認為在 不用人答候啦去細節 技術細節不用說我認為學生運動員在學生階段如果有獲得比較明顯的特徵選拔確實對他們的運動傷害或者是其他部分確實可以避免的比較多但同時我還是非常認同學生運動員非常重要的是要去讀書有更加多的課業的輔導"},{"start":12140.428,"end":12148.959,"text":"但是針對專業的體育運動,有時候在科技檢測上,譬如說像我這樣,一百八十里,腳又痛、手又痛,這來修水一定不錯的,像這樣。"},{"start":12154.787,"end":12177.112,"text":"就是說類似這一些選拔初步先把它作為一般重點的培訓關注然後到了國中高中的時候它慢慢出類拔萃最後我們就能訓練出比較精良的真真正正可以在奧林匹克這個大廳有優秀精良的選手"},{"start":12178.058,"end":12193.483,"text":"我的概念是這樣跟委員報告那之前確實我們教練會做親自的選拔那當然有加入科學可能會更不一樣那我跟你講這個不是科學不一樣一定要做為什麼全是包括美國包括我跟你講所有包括連職業運動的這些大聯盟"},{"start":12198.365,"end":12215.066,"text":"這些網球全部我跟你講都對每一個選手做醫學上 科技上的體能跟體格上的分析那我們不是說刻意要去栽培一個奧運金牌可是你要廣播種子這些種子一撒"},{"start":12216.147,"end":12243.926,"text":"十顆百顆千顆總會有一隻萌芽茁壯那你如果這些都不做就會變成很多事情是四倍公辦當然體育運動就是說要讓大家用遊戲的概念我們不是要變成一群人但是在這遊戲的一群人裡面一百個裡面有一個是特別能夠成為選手而且當你訓練他用一半的資源一半的心力他就可以茁壯成為大樹的時候"},{"start":12246.267,"end":12259.174,"text":"如果沒有透過科技的檢測跟這些數據讓你當成參考你就很難找到這個千里馬我意思是這樣我們有剛好千里馬計畫謝謝委員"},{"start":12264.052,"end":12292.628,"text":"我拜託你把你的千里馬計畫就是說如何在科技上你們是如何做然後或是透過醫學上的檢測這些請你用書面給本席然後我們會再進一步的跟你研討怎麼做更精進怎麼做更能標靶的打擊培訓我們台灣可以更好好不好謝謝委員"},{"start":12295.219,"end":12323.057,"text":"好 謝謝謝龍介委員請部長回座請林佩祥委員質詢你可以決定速度好 謝謝主席 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麻煩運動部在會後給本席詳細的書面報告好嗎再來其實我們還是談到永歡這個協會的事情我想我之前也有委員曾經質詢過老師說"},{"start":12527.685,"end":12555.746,"text":"硬體是長管花錢蓋好就有但是軟體的崩壞也就是單向協會的治理危機才是我們現在運動部可能是最大的挑戰那我們最近有看到桌球協會的事情足球協會的事情部長您過去也是選手當初如果您在爭取奧運積分的時候協會強迫你去打亞青賽而擅自取消你的頂級賽事的報名我們今天可能兩片金牌就沒有了嘛"},{"start":12556.306,"end":12580.278,"text":"那老實說我們在體育法第43條裡面我們最常看到就是所謂的停職補助但是實務上我們都看到像桌球協會這種強勢協會他們寧願不要體育署的錢也要貫徹秘書長的意志而被懲罰的反而是選手反而是這些依靠出國比賽的基層選手這把刀也就是停職補助砍下去"},{"start":12582.319,"end":12606.089,"text":"砍不到选手砍不到该被惩罚的人砍到的反而是选手请问部长面对这种挟持选手以利运动部的协会除了消极的断银根之外运动部现阶段严厉了什么样的计划是否考虑修法将侧免秘书长或理事长的门槛降低或针对协会高层个人进行行政裁罚"},{"start":12607.062,"end":12620.592,"text":"跟委員報告那我一上任之後我們有進行當然我們身為運動員我們一直都知道協會部分是我們需要去改善的那當然在這一塊我們也希望說藉由更多元的溝通例如運動員委員會"},{"start":12623.054,"end":12643.949,"text":"讓運動員可以更直接的表達意見到特定體育團體那同時我們運動部也有同仁在與會那我們會同時監督特定體育團體能夠直接將這些聲音納入意見去作為改善的方針那當然我覺得在協會的部分後續會不會要修法我們可能還是要去做研議"},{"start":12645.666,"end":12668.037,"text":"我這邊直接舉個例子啦中華民國競技啦啦隊協會每年都拿我們體育署的補助這些錢最後到哪裡去根本看不到這些錢用在選手身上我甚至我遭到陳情請部署去裡面了解調查那體育署的效率非常高非常快一個禮拜就用協會的說明當作調查結果回復本席"},{"start":12668.957,"end":12681.164,"text":"內容很簡單就幾百個字用最快的形容詞就四個字查無不法部長你可以接受你的部署用協會的用協會的答覆就把一些很需要調查的案子對本席糊弄過去嗎"},{"start":12682.233,"end":12708.381,"text":"我認為我們未來會以更嚴謹更謹慎的態度去面對所有跟特定體育團體有關的事項我就直接把細項拿出來講好了這些選手每年都自費8到10萬代表台灣參賽卻沒有拿到過補助款過去選手每年出國比賽的機票跟回國交給協會的時候下一個年度的出國比賽前會黏到前一年的補助約5000塊"},{"start":12709.841,"end":12726.197,"text":"自從2023年世界啦啦隊錦標賽國手被中華拉鞋要求收回自費買的機票票跟至今一毛補助也沒給選手而且協會也坦承機票向體育署核銷補助體育署居然回覆"},{"start":12726.858,"end":12748.21,"text":"本宣言回覆支出項目主要包括教練後補選手交通費及住宿費代表隊服裝服裝費保險費運動防護用品費跟參賽音樂剪輯費這些項目教練費機票服裝都是選手自費行為拿來核銷那您認為這個這樣子是不是規避監督而且不合理呢"},{"start":12749.195,"end":12760.19,"text":"我覺得這邊這個確實有待我們運動部責無旁貸我們後續會對這個部分去做更明確的事情回覆給委員您這個是選手喔 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協會有沒有被移送法辦如果是易領那就表示說當初體育署是閉著眼睛給錢那多少運動團體申請不到體育署的補助但是迷你足球協會居然這個協會合齊受到關注可以獲得7589萬的補助後續居然可以分10年繳回"},{"start":12905.186,"end":12912.468,"text":"這是什麼法規所以我就覺得說現在這個協會老實講網路上也在講協會的協不是協和的協協會的協是協門的協我想這網路上PTT大家都知道那這個協會的陋習部長請問你要怎麼樣具體的去解決這些問題呢後續我們會針對協會特定體育團體這邊會再做更多的做法去來跟委員您報告"},{"start":12934.78,"end":12955.316,"text":"台湾因为越来越进步所以越来越多人参与运动我们也期待说运动产业跟运动风气能够带得起来强生才能强国但是当我们每一个人在从事运动的时候听到协会两个字大家都在摇头我希望部长是身为选手出身的我还再强调一次您是基层起来的您是一个最好的example"},{"start":12956.036,"end":12979.974,"text":"也是個最好的story那麼請你身為部長的時候試著用你的力量改變一下這些我們對於協會對於運動部對於國家發展運動推廣運動的這些刻板印象這些不好的刻板印象可以嗎我們會來努力好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝林沛翔委員謝謝部長請回座現在請奈會員委員質詢時間4分鐘"},{"start":12989.025,"end":12992.006,"text":"好 謝謝主席有請部長經理部長"},{"start":12996.018,"end":13022.151,"text":"部長 剛剛那個沛翔委員對你戰意有加那我在加碼就是說你上任以來就是今年的總統盃那你也辦得很精彩所以就是說這個是要給我們的團隊來做一個鼓勵部長我來自於一個台南最偏鄉的選區我的農民我的漁民相當的多那"},{"start":13024.093,"end":13040.708,"text":"以求的向下扎根我希望部長今天就是跟部長討論一個就是說有沒有一個行動上的一個承諾那你會做一個跟過去體育署不同的一個調查跟規劃嗎有沒有這樣的一個計畫"},{"start":13041.96,"end":13053.826,"text":"有 我們現在不只是在C級 B級 A級的部分去做教練的盤整然後當然我們還有在這些體育班的部分我們會去做一些基層的了解說我們還缺少什麼"},{"start":13054.488,"end":13078.398,"text":"是那部長其實長年以來就是說乙球在偏鄉場地的減肉還有就是教練的流動力非常高這個都是這個常態性的一個問題的那在全民運動署成立了以後有針對特定偏鄉運動如那個乙毛球這一個師之上的一個穩定有沒有專門的"},{"start":13079.478,"end":13101.225,"text":"是不是經費會再加倍的一個那個提高那還有這一段就是說我要再請教部長就是說你從接任部長開始到現在有沒有一個強制性的一個偏鄉的一個審查這樣子的一個那個計畫那是不是有請業務單位來他要排給你還是讓誰來回答我"},{"start":13105.536,"end":13122.57,"text":"誰可以回答我 就是部長在是不是可以成立一套那個強制性的一個偏鄉視察因為我們希望有這樣的一個專案就是說部長要下鄉來看部長可不可能這部分我會親自到各個地方去視察"},{"start":13124.511,"end":13151.643,"text":"你會嘛我會好 那我們也期待你的支持那就是說運動部提出了一個政策的目標就是在競技運動全民化那在11月24號本席到雪甲國中去考察一個雪甲國中的一個就是滑鐘盃的比賽的主要的一個場地那這個雪甲國中有提出來他們希望建置一個沙灘那個沙灘的一個排球場"},{"start":13152.623,"end":13170.188,"text":"可是這一個排球場就是因為教育部跟運動部的一個互相的前者不清造成了遲遲沒有辦法這個申請就是卡關了教育部說這個教學所需要的那個場地的一個器材"},{"start":13171.168,"end":13197.82,"text":"必須要回到運動部來負責那運動部說我只負責訓練就是所需要的場地的一個器材課外水液運動跟課外的一個食飲運動那部長現在這個投影片寫得非常清楚如果這個沙灘那個排球場它是揮一般的體育課程的場地跟內容到底是歸誰管"},{"start":13199.332,"end":13218.729,"text":"跟委員報告那現在我們跟教育部來講當然在分工上面我們還有我們現在正有兩個跨部會的平台那我們目前分工的部分是各級學校的足球場跟棒球場的新整建對那新的整建那我現在就請教你你這一個那個沙灘那個排球場誰來負責"},{"start":13221.465,"end":13243.019,"text":"我們會再與教育部去了解溝通好 那你這一個平台你說已經建置起來了嗎教育部跟運動部這一個平台已經建置起來了好 那現在這個平台是停留在有沒有案子的還是說開會了沒有最近我們的業務量還沒有到這個裡"},{"start":13244.062,"end":13253.798,"text":"所以還沒有開始開會兩個部會已經開了三次以上的會議那是常態性的開會嗎12月還會繼續開會常態性的開會那每個月都開嗎"},{"start":13256.765,"end":13284.887,"text":"不定期的但我們現在已經開了算是如果你是常態性的話怎麼會是不定期呢怎麼會是案子多了才把它那個收集起來並不是因為案子多了才去開這個會所以會是長期性的會有照理講應該是長期性的因為你現在運動部剛分家出來的時候有很多的案子就像這個斜甲國中這個沙灘排球場就是呈現一個這樣的一個問題出來所以我希望我希望這一個"},{"start":13285.948,"end":13300.431,"text":"案子那會後你們來做報告因為卡在那個地方已經一年過去了教育部說等運動部成立以後運動部會來處理運動部現在又告訴我說不是 這個是教育部的事情"},{"start":13301.452,"end":13330.32,"text":"連你們兩個都搞不清楚了那基層的怎麼會清楚呢那以上還是跟部長就是做一個加油還有校園體育設施的全者的劃分的備忘錄這個你要趕快上來你要趕快上路這個備忘錄建構起來的時候你有很多事情你就有那個依據你好來處理加油謝謝委員好 謝謝代會委員請部長回座"},{"start":13337.083,"end":13347.731,"text":"現在請陳昭資委員質詢好謝謝主席有請部長請李部長"},{"start":13351.383,"end":13375.818,"text":"委員好部長好我們是初次見面部長我看到體育部的這個運動部的這個官網首頁仍然掛著總統盃的街舞大賽那請問這個比賽是不是對這個運動部的形象重不重要我認為總統盃我們舉辦了三對三籃球跟街舞大賽我們認為說在全民推動是有它的效益"},{"start":13376.42,"end":13396.624,"text":"我認為是重要因為比賽結束了這個還掛在這個官網的首頁上那部長您擔任國手期間您也為台灣在史上取得這個首面的奧運的羽球金牌那您對國際的賽事這個有豐富的經驗我現在想請問部長在正式的賽事中是不是競賽規則應該要穩定 公開 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兩岸一個是宜蘭的松羅一個是屏東的長治百合長治百合還是平地喔 它在繁華鄉那邊喔"},{"start":14204.383,"end":14224.75,"text":"它是遷居下來的所以真正在山上我們沒有看到我們的運動資源的挹注像有一個113到116年的優化全民運動與賽會環境計畫一樣都是補助場館所以也完全下不到原鄉所以我想要請部長"},{"start":14226.07,"end":14248.96,"text":"目前完全沒有補助原鄉設置運動設施的計畫是不是應該趁著現在運動部的成立而且有一個叫設施司啊我們要推展全民運動之際來補助這個很簡單的運動設施的輔具納入未來的中長城計畫達到原鄉體育的推廣部長您做得到嗎我們會納入優化計畫來補助設施設備這部分"},{"start":14252.622,"end":14277.478,"text":"好 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謝謝委員謝謝部長 謝謝主席好 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因為我們現在剩下這個討論事項的我們只有剩經濟部 衛福部 速發部還有大陸委員會那其餘因為剛剛這個報告事項結束了我剛剛有特別有宣告這個報告事項解凍而且沒有討論事項的凍結案的機關首長還有募勞人員可以先行離席所以現在在場的這個討論事項的只剩下經濟部 衛福部 速發部 陸委會"},{"start":2661.448,"end":2678.922,"text":"你說剩經濟部 衛福部 速發部 陸委會對 因為剛剛這個已經解凍 報告上解凍了然後跟討論事項無關的其他的部會我就請他先離席了好 沒有關係來 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我們電力供給到2032年是沒有問題但是如果照這個增長速率你們現在是把需求降下來然後把節能跟我們的產業發展表示說我們未來其實電力需求增長率沒有像原來預估的這麼高是因為我們不會再做AI人工智慧也不會再做雲端資料服務了嗎"},{"start":5744.838,"end":5762.51,"text":"跟委員報告這些因素我們其實都考慮進來我們每年也都會做滾動檢討我要說的是經濟部對於我們國內產業的發展還有我們自己電力的評估現在目前為止看起來是自相矛盾的"},{"start":5763.01,"end":5777.018,"text":"第二個曾文琛說萬一如果我們的電力突然間天然氣斷供所有的科學園區都有所謂的發電設備目前為止假設天然氣斷供了你們可以撐多久"},{"start":5779.272,"end":5803.676,"text":"跟國務委員報告其實我們你只要簡短的回答我現在斷供了你們可以撐科學園區可以撐多久這個可能涉及到不知道一些機密啦好 現在整體容積目前裝置容量如果假設園區裡面加起來總共的鄭文聖的說法是大概1GW那"},{"start":5807.057,"end":5820.403,"text":"也就是說我們園區自己就可以發電大概一個核酸基礎的電量是嗎還是你都是國家機密你在這邊回答回答我完整的事實好嗎"},{"start":5822.512,"end":5840.335,"text":"這是曾文森說的 不是我說的還是經濟部不知道這個部分因為台電他們是一個供電的單位所以他們會對所有我問的是你經濟部對於我們的產業掌握有多少我關台電什麼事這是台電說的 所以我問你次長"},{"start":5840.936,"end":5860.308,"text":"是 因為台電它會就它目前的產業用電的實際的狀況他們會去做台電是執行單位 它是營業單位你現在是經濟部次長你要說的是對於我們國家園區 科技園區我們自己在天然氣停工的時候我們能不能掌握我們自己能夠活多久"},{"start":5861.26,"end":5889.726,"text":"當然我們是有把握就是說你不會有問題在這個狀況的情況之下供電的部分是沒有問題供電沒有問題所以你現在要再說一次就算天然氣斷供我們的科學園區也沒有問題我們有一些應變的方法好經濟部長說我們在12月會做核二核三的重啟評估現在已經11月底了12月確定會提出相關的"},{"start":5891.761,"end":5916.124,"text":"初步結果嗎跟委員報告目前台電已經將他們現況評估的報告送經濟部經濟部現在也正在審查當中後續我們如果經濟部核定的話台電會再提出一個再運轉的計畫跟自主檢查的計畫也就是說12月底會有這樣的東西你們12月底經濟部就會做出決定嗎我們希望能夠盡快來回覆給台電"},{"start":5917.438,"end":5944.845,"text":"就算核二核三要研議你們預估假設通過了他恢復運轉要多久假設不知道可能要就實際的狀況因為他要三年到五年還要再做還要做一些提供書面報告給黃委員我們希望12月底以前能夠看到這個結果好嗎好我們來努力謝謝黃委員接下來我們請張志仁委員"},{"start":5953.208,"end":5976.374,"text":"好 謝謝主席 各位委員 各位官員大家早安有請財政部 謝次長財政部還在嗎財政部已經先回去因為解凍案已經結束了財政部回去了我們現在討論事項的我們只留經濟部 衛福部 抒發部還有陸委會"},{"start":5980.551,"end":5995.703,"text":"還有主席總書副主席長還在主席不好意思因為我們辦公室不太清楚這樣的狀況你有有 因為其實剛剛我有宣告過了報告事項解凍而且沒有討論事項解凍案的機關首長可以先行離席剛剛大會也通過了"},{"start":5996.443,"end":6013.504,"text":"所以接下來我們留下來的部會是屬於討論事項的機關人員所以我剛才說過了是現在還在場的是經濟部衛福部 抒發部還有陸委會還有這個主席部在嗎有 副主席長還在好 謝謝 請副主席長好 請副主席長"},{"start":6023.567,"end":6044.906,"text":"委員好辛苦副主席長有你來單挑大糧我請教副主席長行政院就是有關於最近財化法大張旗鼓宣誓裁員可是沒有拿出各縣市的試算分配表讓人家懷疑是不是想要把餅做大來掩飾不公平分配的煙霧彈"},{"start":6046.347,"end":6062.946,"text":"那我想請教一下就是說行政院內部是不是已經有做出這個精密的裁員分配試算請問一下就你知道現在到底有沒有讓可以國會監督跟地方首長前列要求的各縣市分配試算表請問有這個東西嗎"},{"start":6065.064,"end":6079.392,"text":"跟我們報告就是說財化法當然主要是財政部來負責那我們所了解的就是說財政部長大概近期有說到就是說相關他們那個試算現在還沒有試算出來"},{"start":6080.649,"end":6103.806,"text":"那你能接受他的說法嗎就你主計處的看法他有提出政院的版本也要送到立法院來可是現在財政部說他沒有這個各縣市分配市算表就主計處的看法您覺得他的說法您認同嗎基本上因為我們就是說因為主計處您的職責在這個財化法的部分您認為您的職責是什麼"},{"start":6107.834,"end":6130.461,"text":"我們主計總署主要是搭配統籌分配稅那一塊對應的一般性補助款跟計劃型補助款那這次財政部之所以就是說這個數字還不能算出來主要還是涉及到因為我們這個市權的劃分還必須跟地方政府來尋找一個共識"},{"start":6131.636,"end":6146.477,"text":"了解 好 謝謝你的回應那您會不會覺得說如果這個各縣市分配市算表還沒有辦法算出來錢那這樣子行政院的這個財化法的草案這個我們要如何來去做監督"},{"start":6147.959,"end":6168.526,"text":"跟文報其實主要我們還是就是說在這個3月21號這個版本出來的時候我們有聽到地方政府的聲音他們可能希望就是說有一些對應的一般性補助款或計劃型補助款等等有一些希望能夠跟"},{"start":6169.807,"end":6183.084,"text":"以往舊制的大概是同樣的類型所以我們目前院版的裁劃法也是呼應地方政府這樣的一個希望所以模式是比較比照原來的這個方式來處理"},{"start":6185.348,"end":6206.917,"text":"好 謝謝副組長的回覆好 謝謝委員等一下 稍等一下沒有辦法走我想要請教因為你剛剛有講到一般性統籌分配稅款的部分因為本席來自新北市新北市有全台灣最多人數的404萬人承重最繁重的公共建設跟社會福利支出"},{"start":6207.777,"end":6221.349,"text":"我想要請教就你而言現在行政院的財化法的版本是不是新北市人均能分配到的統籌分配稅款是不是還是六度最低"},{"start":6222.809,"end":6239.354,"text":"因為基本上因為那個試算表還沒有出來我們並不了解但是我們對於財政部它這一次的主要的架構它還是考慮到就是各縣市的貢獻就是說除了人口跟面積我們也會考量到如果有污染的行業"},{"start":6240.254,"end":6265.546,"text":"或者是說他有一些就是說一些努力的一些稅務的一些誘因等等就是各種努力我們都會來考慮好 我拜託副組織長這邊未來幫我跟財政部在溝通的時候幫我們來講一下就是行政院現在的草案版本將人口指標調整非常的嚴重尤其剛剛我們講新北市的人數他把人數的比重從45%降到18%"},{"start":6269.168,"end":6295.951,"text":"所以为什么我会请教副主席长这个问题新北市很明显它未来的人均的统筹分配税款能分到地方的每一个人的手上的钱就是因为行政院的草案把人口指标从45%大幅调降到18%所以这样子新北市的分配金额会大幅的缩小副主席长我这样讲对吗"},{"start":6297.083,"end":6314.856,"text":"基本上就是說因為水平的分配要考慮的指標比較多所以財政部已經有六次的會議跟地方政府來尋求共識當然每一個縣市基於他們自己對於他有利的指標當然都有在爭取這是我們所了解的"},{"start":6315.523,"end":6344.497,"text":"好 就是還是要拜託因為新北市404萬人如果把人數的指標比重下降非常多對新北市影響非常大最後我要想請教就行政院的版本它把一般性補助款的部分把金額給下降把它改到計劃性補助款我想要請教行政院草案的版本把一般性補助款的金額大幅的下降加到計劃性補助款"},{"start":6345.417,"end":6353.304,"text":"這對未來我們地方政府在使用我們的財化法的預算的時候會造成什麼樣的影響"},{"start":6355.165,"end":6376.752,"text":"委員講的是我們現在院版的一般性補助款把金額把它大幅的把它加到計畫性補助款一般性補助款調降然後計畫性補助款把它升高會造成地方政府在使用最後一個問題時間有限如果要討論這個就把行政院的院版送進來就可以討論了"},{"start":6377.532,"end":6400.872,"text":"沒有 他現在有總額把一般性補助款的金額從2501億下降成1420億把金額加到計畫性補助款這樣地方在申請經費的時候會不會造成影響這個一般性補助款的下降主要還是說因為他基本財政收支差短的部分是由統籌分配所以這邊優先來彌補所以並不是下降而是說他的"},{"start":6401.573,"end":6421.46,"text":"一般性補助款下降再把財政部的院版資料送給我們張委員意思就是未來我跟副組長報告未來就是地方政府都要看中央的臉色因為計劃性補助款是核定制的跟副組長報告原因就是這個我們要尊重地方自治 謝謝謝謝張委員接下來我們請賴會員委員"},{"start":6431.33,"end":6438.176,"text":"謝謝主席 有請速發部陸委會速發部林部長 陸委會梁副主委"},{"start":6446.754,"end":6464.558,"text":"兩位早安蘇花部部長在7月初丹納斯颱風重創整個台南跟嘉義其實在這一個颱風裡頭我們很明確的看到了就是"},{"start":6466.124,"end":6478.781,"text":"整體變成是一個通訊的孤島因為手機打不出去沒有電行動網路也癱瘓了這個信息也斷了救災人員沒有辦法及時的一個聯繫"},{"start":6481.244,"end":6507.48,"text":"在这个过程里头因为电话一直都打不通电话一直都打不通所以我在这个过程里头去协调了三大电信业者就是紧急的调派其实这个三十多台并没有这个是在大概在第十天以后这个数量才增加我相信部长你会非常非常的一个清楚那如果今天就是说"},{"start":6508.941,"end":6520.492,"text":"氣候的異常在未來會有大面積的這種停電那我們是不是有思考到另外一種風災數位韌性的一個方案布里頭有沒有做這樣的一個準備"},{"start":6521.398,"end":6542.87,"text":"是委員說的沒錯在最近因為那個風災的次數變多而且那個風災也是變得更嚴重那我們事後檢討就是說當第一個就是說這個事情真的很嚴重我們不單單是當地民眾沒辦法聯網甚至於我們的指揮體系像譬如說台南市政府他要去救災的時候他們本身的訊號都不通會造成很大的問題"},{"start":6543.61,"end":6561.264,"text":"然后我们检讨以后发现说其实为什么4G或5G的信号不通基本上有三个原因第一个是基地台本身倒了第二个是基地台没有电第三个是基地台的部长我知道你就针对着这个通信任线不足那你未来你要怎么做对"},{"start":6561.624,"end":6583.417,"text":"那所以呢我們發現說那你跟NCC要怎麼樣的一個分工我們發現說其實那個比例最高的是那個沒有電那就是電線斷掉可是這個事情最好解決因為我們只要有移動式的柴油發電機就可以解決這個問題所以我們在事後最近我們第一個就是說我們會政府我們數發部會補助就是讓三大電信公司他去設立"},{"start":6584.638,"end":6606.238,"text":"就是购买更多的行动式的柴油发电机到时候如果再发生这个状况他们谁是可以用还有他们很有钱你所有硬体的一个分配在这个前瞻第五期里头这个123亿9千万这个数位建设可是谁来统筹"},{"start":6607.138,"end":6633.212,"text":"這個分配分配在每一個地方那我們從703億裡頭我們發現就是說數位建設不等於就是樹花部的預算你剛才講到的就是這種數位建設都是非常小非常小那我只是問你一個重點你跟NCC誰來統籌是你聽NCC的還是NCC聽你的那怎麼跨部會來合作呢誰來統籌"},{"start":6637.369,"end":6664.89,"text":"報告委員 基本上NC跟我們互有職長不過基本上是相互合作是那有關監理的部分大概是NC的部分有關於所謂的強化任性跟補助的部分大概是速發部的部分所以剛才您委員提到那幾個經營作為像剛才那個所謂的這個衛星的行動車我們大概這次會藉由潛在預算會補助的9輛的衛星行動車同時會協助業者來改裝31台的衛星行動車讓它有衛星行動車的架子"},{"start":6665.33,"end":6686.324,"text":"那另外我們再移動沒有錯好那在最後端最後端我其實本席就是要跟你談到PPDR有沒有這樣的一個計畫台灣要建立一個PPDR包委員目前為止內政部為了加速這個通訊指揮的這個系統在114年到117年將會配置81台的通訊指揮車"},{"start":6687.405,"end":6711.599,"text":"你不要一直跟我講通信指揮車嘛我已經跟你講了涵蓋面是這麼大的如果你的通信指揮車可以解決這麼多的一個問題的話我們這一次就不會這麼慘啦你如果是大面積的話那如果就是說塑化部你會同NCC相關單位你應該要參考國外建立一個台灣獨立的一個PPDR這個"},{"start":6713.32,"end":6738.753,"text":"你們非常清楚這個專用的頻率一按就通專用的網路可以獨立的供電其實如果在當今2025年的台灣在我們科技網頁這麼先進的一個發展如果你都沒有辦法就是沒有辦法講到PPDR的話我覺得這個是一個救災最基礎的一個準備我跟你說 部長"},{"start":6739.733,"end":6767.029,"text":"提計畫出來把這個PVDR你納進去如果連這個都沒有辦法做的話那我覺得其實是很遺憾的喔不及格喔我們只要能解決問題我們所有的方法我們都會試好 謝謝我請梁文傑副主委國民黨最近要修改國際法其實其中最關鍵的第一條的解釋它就是說希望把大陸不是外國寫到法治裡面"},{"start":6768.05,"end":6796.838,"text":"那中國籍的人士在我國參政也不受國際法的一個限制那這等於是為中國人開了一扇參政的後門這個是嚴重的那個影響到國安的底線你簡單的講一下那個我們陸委會的態度是怎樣好 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那人已經去美國啦東西也帶到美國啦那他最後的判刑跟我們台積電半導體的秘密洩漏已經於事無補啦你只是對他個人的處罰而已啊但對產業傷害已經造成了那現在要針對的是說我們現在是對產業傷害怎麼樣讓它降到最低"},{"start":7081.801,"end":7104.549,"text":"最好就是有如那個分析師所講的嘛美國也覺得這是不OK的然後也覺得說不能夠隨便用辦那個台積電的秘密嘛然後給Intel嘛因為美國政府自己也是Intel的股東啊所以我講的是這一塊那這一塊政府的態度是什麼有沒有站在台灣的角度去處理嘛市長有嗎"},{"start":7105.391,"end":7122.507,"text":"當然我們是站在台灣的角度來處理你要跟美國政府講啊我們當然也會去衡量就是說它的這個洩漏的技術會不會對產業造成影響那當然現在目前那如果有造成影響呢當然你現在就要把狀況想到最糟嘛假設現在就是有造成影響"},{"start":7123.666,"end":7140.883,"text":"然後這個資料已經到Intel了Intel取得這個資料之後呢會對台灣的產業造成很大傷害那美國政府又是Intel的股東那難道我們不能跟美國政府講說這個事情不能你如果這樣允許的話整個產業秩序會亂掉喔大家就隨便偷人家營業秘密就好啦"},{"start":7141.443,"end":7170.783,"text":"這個要嚴正交涉啦經濟部到底有沒有站在我們的產業不是碰到美國然後就軟掉啦到底有沒有去跟美國提到這件事情跟委員報告因為目前都還在調查當中到底他吸走了哪些資料那這些資料是不是對台積電或對整個產業會造成影響沒有部長 次長你的態度就是說等調查出來再講我現在態度是認為說等到你現在要想到最糟狀況如果真的有真的他帶走的資料是很機密的"},{"start":7171.783,"end":7196.264,"text":"那你現在就要因應啊不是等到調查結果出來才因應啊那我問你啊如果說你調查要好幾個禮拜資料就已經洩漏出去了然後美國政府也不覺得怎麼樣那你怎麼辦你就任由這個事情發生嗎你沒有任何作為耶我想應該不會讓你說的喔你說不會喔那如果到時候真的怎麼樣的話"},{"start":7197.349,"end":7224.307,"text":"你負責嗎是 因為我想台美之間有很多的這些產業合作那這個未來是不是會對整個產業會造成這個影響影響程度多大我想會透過整個司法調查的結果趁現在關稅的事情趕快把這個事情拿去拿去講啦 去談啦不要那麼不當一回事啦 謝謝謝偉謝謝葉委員接下來我們請林世民召委"},{"start":7237.042,"end":7246.516,"text":"好 謝謝主席請速發部好 請速發部林部長今天是 部長過來了部長已經到了部長請"},{"start":7255.15,"end":7273.635,"text":"委員好部長新竹縣是台灣的高科技產業的重鎮有半導體還有各種電子的研發在這園區裡面尤其5G網路對我們智慧製造無人載具 物聯網應用都屬於關鍵基礎"},{"start":7275.535,"end":7292.557,"text":"我想在這次的前瞻計畫裡面編列了26億9851萬5千元的5G基礎公共建設來加速這類戰略地區的5G佈建但必須確保資源的分配公平 品質過關"},{"start":7294.54,"end":7310.397,"text":"讓包括我們新竹科技園區在內的各個區域都受惠我們看到審計部先前有指出部分受補助的5G基地台未使用國產設備無法達到扶植本土5G產業的一個目的"},{"start":7311.378,"end":7335.149,"text":"且完工後的網路下行速率未達規範服務品質低落導致5G用戶使用率偏低所以我在這邊要請問部長我們在5G基地的部件上面如何確保我們新竹科學園區等高科技園區獲得足夠資源的部件的一個布設來布設高速低遲延的5G網路"},{"start":7337.809,"end":7357.63,"text":"首先如果說通訊品質的部分我們現在已經都依照我們補助計畫我們都有請通常會去做現場的驗證所以通訊品質應該都已經達到我們之前要求的標準是不是請我們任性司司長補充說明好 司長說一下"},{"start":7357.99,"end":7383.356,"text":"所以剛剛委員提到幾件事第一個就是剛剛部長跟委員報告就是有關於品質的部分因為所有機台在設置的過程中都必須要經過審驗那同時在五年換照的時候也還需要再審驗所以審驗的時候一定要符合紀錄規範那這通常會都有嚴格把關所以請委員放心那第二個就是您剛剛提到國產設備的部分的話目前為止有關113年的部分的話專網的這個前端預認當中"},{"start":7386.477,"end":7401.491,"text":"在垂直場域的話有到達64.29%使用國產設備非垂直場域的話大概使用比例到40%至於委員垂尋有關於科學園區未來要怎麼樣去再強化它的部分的話"},{"start":7402.211,"end":7421.956,"text":"事實上我們前陣子有跟科學園區跟業者做個座談會在去年的時候有個座談會如果他們有任何需要做頻寬上的協助的話他們有兩個方向第一個方向是由公眾電信網路就是參加電信業者合作他們來提供他們寬頻第二個部分他們也可以自己建置所謂的5G專頻專網的部分樹花部也是"},{"start":7424.817,"end":7442.199,"text":"會盡力的協助業者 以上報告我想你們有在重視但是我們根據那個審計部的一個指出他說部分補助基地台的下行樹立會達500Mbps的規範所以我是認為在科技產業聚集的新竹地區"},{"start":7443.32,"end":7468.151,"text":"任何的網路部達標都會影響到它這個整個研發與生產的一個應用所以速發部你剛才提到很多的一個方式去確保這個完工查核與品質監控但是我們看到你的你剛才提到113年度的你們的一個改善報告提到說你剛才講的那個"},{"start":7470.712,"end":7490.42,"text":"於飛馳垂直區域的5G基地台的類別採用國產微型成功低功率的基地台建置率平均超過40%的門檻而在垂直場域或重要產業發展區的5G網路建設類別共申請了14件完工補助案其中9案採用國產5G設備佔補助總額數的64.29%"},{"start":7496.022,"end":7508.592,"text":"截至目前政府已輔助電信業者建置5G基地台域15000座全國5G基地台總數突破48000座5G用戶在近一年內從850萬增到1091萬戶成長約28%所以我要再請教"},{"start":7515.057,"end":7541.313,"text":"針對國產5G設備的導入政府採取了補助係數等誘因去年產業專案中已達六成以上的補助案使用國產設備未來是否會進一步提高國產設備的一個比重的目標是 跟委員報告我們的確非常重視這件事情我們一直在督促台灣的國產設備廠商盡量做他們現在只能做微型的基地台中大型他們都還沒有能力做"},{"start":7541.733,"end":7562.386,"text":"然後我們就希望說他們利用這個在微型基地台他取得市場的動能以後賺到更多的錢開始往中大型基地台去研發因為我們現在不是不願意補助而是台灣的國產設備就是沒有中大型的所以我們一直在催他們要加油我接下來請問部長當然我是希望你們要去加強這個比重"},{"start":7563.186,"end":7590.242,"text":"我們看到新竹有許多高科技公司具備這些通訊研發的能力是否有機會結合我們在地新竹的廠商共同提高5G網路設備的國產化比例同時帶動地方產業鏈的一個發展在新竹地區你們有沒有去跟他們來接觸好 請簡耀回答我們會往這方面努力非常謝謝委員的指導好 謝謝好 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Vulnerability就是新發現的危險那我們所謂的聯防最重要就趕快通知所有的政府機關說有一個新發現的漏洞你趕快把它堵住所以我們現在預算很多都是在做所謂的資安聯防資安聯防就是這個意思"},{"start":8101.188,"end":8126.129,"text":"部長我看我們年度的資安的事件它總量一直在增加那公安部門的資安意識應該是要加強我看我們的這些有一些資安風險的具體的案例就是說部分政府機關的設備控制頁面它沒有設置存取的一個權限而且是暴露在網際網路也沒有去變更"},{"start":8127.21,"end":8143.265,"text":"这种预设的登录密码他也没有去变更还有针对公务部门针对公务部门发送陈情的信件信件当中就会附带那一种伪冒的PDF档的捷径档"},{"start":8145.781,"end":8164.902,"text":"這就對公部門的系統植入這種惡意的程式那最主要是密碼設定使用鍵盤排序那符合雖然是符合這種密碼的複雜性但是它是很容易遭到破解那這個部分我看"},{"start":8165.984,"end":8189.563,"text":"主要是公務員的資安意識不足是沒錯那針對公部門的資安意識不足的加強有沒有具體的措施等一下請部長來說明另外針對公部門當中不同的這種人員之間的數位落差他的禁用落差其實蠻大的有沒有進一步的改善措施來說明一下"},{"start":8190.163,"end":8215.331,"text":"OK首先在於自然意識上面這個其實剛剛委員提到那幾譬如說用鍵盤排序的那個密碼等等這都是已經知道的這個事情那我們很重要就是一方面加強教育一方面由我們自然署會進行集合我們自然署就是每年會對一些那個公務部門就是有抽查定期去做集合看他們有沒有確實執行這些事情這些"},{"start":8216.331,"end":8240.008,"text":"坦白講 這個並不是什麼高科技有的就是人員的問題譬如說你的密碼就設得很糟糕我們當然另外一方面也會增加我們一些譬如說檢核機制譬如說我們如果是像委員所講的照鍵盤來排列密碼我們以後都會想辦法自動檢查部長 我還有更具體的建議是"},{"start":8241.689,"end":8256.66,"text":"針對高機敏性或是需要較高防護的這些等級的設施的這些設備要建立這種密碼的黑名單的機制密碼的黑名單機制就是說排除常見的這種鍵盤的序列或者是可預測的這些字串"},{"start":8261.043,"end":8275.157,"text":"例如說QWER等鍵盤連續的字母這種密碼的黑名單我們要建立而且要導入多音質的這種驗證的機制例如像授權卡 授權碼"},{"start":8276.258,"end":8304.024,"text":"或者是生物辨識等等的這種多重的這種辨識驗證以來強化這種身分的識別的安全性那更重要我認為是應該落實設備變更驗證及定期的集合那要求不可以使用預設密碼或是常用密碼來最後簡短的說明是非常謝謝委員的指導的確這個都是我們現在努力的目標我們都會往這個方向努力謝謝委員"},{"start":8305.085,"end":8308.678,"text":"谢谢李委员接下来我们请陈廷飞委员"},{"start":8319.465,"end":8335.819,"text":"謝謝主席我們是不是請交通部還有內政部 經濟部 農業部 國科會陳委員不好意思因為他們的解凍案是報告案解凍之後他們就先回去了留在場是經濟部 衛福部 速發部 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好不好另外就是說剛提到這個"},{"start":13520.712,"end":13542.152,"text":"這個就是這次的馬太安溪驗射符所造成的,然後在,因為大家比較關心的就在光復那邊,光復那邊,事實上它這個鳳林三星這邊是馬太安溪再加上望龍,那個望里溪,"},{"start":13543.427,"end":13568.664,"text":"然後要到花蓮溪之前這個一個地方整個堤防都被沖毀了所以這個部分是一個當初我跟第九河川分署的同仁也一起去看所以這個部分也請水利署第九河川分署提供一下目前"},{"start":13569.745,"end":13591.307,"text":"目前這個辦理的進度,因為這個現在,因為社會還在,什麼時候會再,我們是希望千萬不要,但是小小的鳳凰颱風,颱風也沒有來,就一個豪雨,又造成這個,"},{"start":13592.688,"end":13607.849,"text":"旺榮鄉 雲栗村以及鳳林鎮的長橋又造成重大的災害所以這個部分我們都必須要去加油很重要的這個部分這個是"},{"start":13611.266,"end":13630.983,"text":"水利署這個第九河川分署在11月21號召開了這個有關花蓮溪水治理計畫花蓮溪及馬太安溪河段水道治理計畫線及用地範圍線及部的修正"},{"start":13634.067,"end":13658.505,"text":"這個會議造成很多的鄉親的不滿最主要就是說現有的堤防現在正在加固加高然後河床也疏俊了現在要再做第二道堤防而且就會用到"},{"start":13660.897,"end":13682.826,"text":"鄉親的土地有時候鄉親的土地有的還沒有取得所有錢就會產生他們的恐慌怎麼這樣已經加固加高了怎麼還要所以就會牽涉到這個問題所以這個部分再請你們的水利署提供相關的資料好 謝謝鄭委員"},{"start":13687.437,"end":13690.004,"text":"接下來我們請尤浩委員"},{"start":13712.543,"end":13721.111,"text":"好 謝謝召委先請一下主計我們請主計總書 陳副主計長我們請陳副主計長 謝謝"},{"start":13730.486,"end":13754.895,"text":"委員好副市長你好那在今天的部分不管是前瞻五期還包括預算追加那本席還是想要先就教一下在目前前瞻五期的部分其實有許多的一個諮詢率還其實確實是需要做一個提升那以及說包括很多的一個經費在過去的前四期"},{"start":13755.615,"end":13776.464,"text":"那有些的經費的使用上確實沒有把它完成的這些工作那本席想要先問第一這個質詢力的提升上主計總署在第五期的部分有什麼樣的一個回應那第二的話在這個剩餘的經費的部分的使用未來是不是會有類似六期的部分會來協助各縣市政府的一個地方建設"},{"start":13778.367,"end":13803.058,"text":"跟我們報告有關執行率的部分我們每個月都在追蹤然後我們會針對執行落後的部會我們都會發文去提醒他們要積極來執行至於說前瞻第五集結束以後後續我們就回歸到年度的預算"},{"start":13804.468,"end":13814.293,"text":"所以就不會再有第六期嗎 沒錯吧目前沒有OK 好 謝謝那我們接著來請那個抒發部我們請林部長郵委員好"},{"start":13822.045,"end":13842.938,"text":"部長好 部長是南投竹山人是南投之光想要接著就是就交一下部長當然抒發部的許多的業務其實在交通委員會的時候其實我們都會盡量來支持是 感謝所以包括這預算的部分也同樣是本席還是想說藉這個機會的時候來就交一下部長"},{"start":13843.818,"end":13866.48,"text":"因為在5G的部分跟數位落差那時候本席其實也有在上次您就任之後的第一次質詢來就教您說如何能夠提升尤其是在這前章5期或是今天預算的一個質詢追加的一個會議上或解凍的一個會議上我想直接請問一下部長在提升南投的數位落差的部分目前有沒有一個具體的規劃"},{"start":13868.458,"end":13892.86,"text":"在第一個我們就是會有一個基金那就是由各個電信公司他們把他們的盈餘的部分撥出來我們有一個電信普及服務基金我們會利用電信普及服務基金裡面的錢去補助一些偏鄉的5G基地台的建設因為對這些電信公司來講他直接去那邊蓋基地台他可能不付成本"},{"start":13893.24,"end":13920.901,"text":"我們就用基金的錢來補助他們建設另外有其他部分我們請市長補充一下尤其是今年到明年的部分有沒有具體的進度報告委員因為現在前瞻的部分中間有一部分是普及就是偏向的地方現在已經業者在申請當中是不是我們把業者因為現在業者還在申請當中申請當中以後我們把相關數據累積以後再跟委員報告說有關南投部分建設的狀況如何"},{"start":13922.082,"end":13938.02,"text":"好 沒關係多久之內可以給我說明大概一個月之內好 一個月之內我想直接接著教教說在明年的部分在竹山鎮或是在南投的偏鄉在升級的部分有哪些鄉鎮是有把握可以來升級"},{"start":13939.429,"end":13956.708,"text":"包委員基本上一方面是業者要有些建制然後等於公司協力的方式來協助業者那現在目前為止我們明年會跟續的編列相關的預算希望委員能夠在115年的預算額度中能夠支持"},{"start":13957.608,"end":13983.606,"text":"針對偏鄉的部分那我支持要有成果啊是是是對南投其生數位落差又升級要有成果是是是那我們每年大概有編列四千萬的預算針對偏鄉的部分去需要的地方去協助業者來做建置每年大概有四千萬左右好 因為我就區域立委嘛也要代表南投發聲嘛是 我了解那一個月內的資料同樣給我的時候也把能夠讓南投的十三鄉鎮哪些可以來升級的部分也筆列在內好不好是是 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謝謝接下來我們請林黛嬅委員林黛嬅委員林黛嬅委員不在場接下來我們請徐富奎委員謝謝主席有請我們副組計長還有經濟部何振賜來請何市長陳副組計長"},{"start":14138.742,"end":14163.968,"text":"兩位午安我想先請教副組長我們昨天行政院院版的才化法很不幸在我們立法院的程序委員會被藍白以人數優勢把他暫緩立案那連讓我們行政院連這個報告討論的機會都沒有那面對這樣的一個這個波波王的困境我想副局長我們會來有沒有什麼樣的一個策略來因應"},{"start":14166.408,"end":14182.759,"text":"當然財化主政是我們財政部但是我想我們院裡面會整體去思考這個問題我想應該會再努力來強化這個溝通我們跟縣市也持續會來希望取得共識"},{"start":14184.079,"end":14203.14,"text":"但是面對這樣子藍白要癱瘓中央然後把錢分給這些他們自己的執政縣市的一個做法市權沒有跟著處理我想主席總署在這一年多我想也是疲於奔命面對這個困境有沒有評估我們所謂一個債務風險跟一個舉債相關的這些財政破產的一個問題"},{"start":14206.992,"end":14233.712,"text":"就是基本上在就是這個月11月14號通過這個版本就是已經預約我們公共債務法這個要你們違法舉債嗎對所以就會你們會真的要違法舉債嗎基本上這個就有自然來行所以不會照就是目前沒有辦法照這個通過了這個版本來處理"},{"start":14234.906,"end":14261.399,"text":"好謝謝 那我接著請那個次長次長我想我們過去我們期待這個行政院的財務法法是要把我們這個農林榆木還有一些老年人口的比例算進去之後我想對於這個整個均衡台灣的發展尤其縮短這個南北差距應該是要落實這樣的一個理念那尤其我們過去屏東次長最清楚我們包含這個治水的預算還有我們很多電纜地下化的一個工程"},{"start":14262.119,"end":14285.554,"text":"有沒有因為這樣子的一個採劃法的不當會影響到我們這些相關的一些工程進度目前我們盡量就是說把這些會影響的部分會納到這個一般性的補助一般性的補助或計劃性的補助裡面來提供給這些相關的縣市需求來申請"},{"start":14286.459,"end":14303.977,"text":"我知道市長問題是你手邊的籌碼都沒有了怎麼分配是怎麼處理你們要一個因應對策是所以這個部分我想我們會就是看最後這個財務法的修正的部分我們還是希望用願版的部分前委員來支持"},{"start":14304.98,"end":14334.122,"text":"市長我想水火無情尤其這個治水不分藍綠我們當然期待這個藍白能夠支持我們行政院的裁劃法讓我們這個整個中央到地方整個財政機遇能夠維持但是我想這個未來尤其屏東我們過去治水因為我們有超前部署我們目前針對四年一千億的案子我們也做好的規劃案也已經送到我們這個院裡面到署裡面那麼我們也期待這樣子的規劃案不要因為我們"},{"start":14334.802,"end":14360.943,"text":"財政機率被破壞之後會影響到我們整個治水工程我想這個是我們鄉親的期待也是擔憂不然每次回到風太大就不敢睡著了尤其我們沿海地區這個餘溫的整個電纜地下化的工程也是一直我一直在努力推動的一個方向我想這部分一定要努力來進行經濟部能不能加快速度一下是 我們會加快速度好 那請回我們接著請我們陸委會梁副主委"},{"start":14362.216,"end":14363.239,"text":"我們請陸委會兩副主委"},{"start":14374.344,"end":14398.85,"text":"委員好我想針對最近國民黨立委提出這個國籍法的修正草案讓中配參政而不是用放棄國籍的規定我想這不只顛倒是非喪權辱國更是讓我們國安的門戶大開這個不是人權的擴張跟多元的融合而是赤裸裸的破壞我們台灣的法律跟安全的界線副主委怎麼看這個事情"},{"start":14402.331,"end":14420.815,"text":"國際法第20條的規定就是所有凡是擁有雙重國籍你就在任公職就必須要放棄外國籍這個很清楚他的基本精神就是要維持公職人員對政府效忠的單一性我們再三強調就是說"},{"start":14424.478,"end":14435.656,"text":"如果你同時擁有另外一個國家的國籍然後以中共來講它的法律譬如說它的國家安全法的第77條它的反間諜法的第8條跟第16條都有規定"},{"start":14438.059,"end":14459.609,"text":"有中華人民共和國的公民他必須要提供因應國家安全活動的線索還要提供證據然後要協助反間諜的作為等等那如果這樣的就是說他如果同時兼具我們公職人員身份的話他在法律義務上面他會有衝突"},{"start":14460.689,"end":14481.114,"text":"他會要怎麼說他一方面要對中華人民共和國效忠他必須要提供這些情報的證據但是他這樣做他又違反了我們自己的我們自己中華民國的規定所以我們從保護的角度來說不希望看到這樣的狀況"},{"start":14482.974,"end":14510.173,"text":"不希望看到這樣的狀況所以我們認為國際法第20條的單一效忠還是應該要維持我們應該堅守捍衛這個原則啦好 謝謝謝謝許委員接下來我們請林倩琦委員林倩琦委員不在場接下來我們請羅美玲委員羅美玲委員不在場"},{"start":14512.475,"end":14532.906,"text":"我們請下一位李博義委員有請衛福部次長 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喘息服務甚至洗澡整理家務等等的這一些一步一步讓這些自認為還很年輕身體很勇健不需要人家幫忙的這些長輩慢慢接受政府的這個長照的照顧所以我想要請問次長"},{"start":14734.617,"end":14750.456,"text":"對於我剛提出的幾個問題有沒有這些對於我們好不容易推行讓長輩在社區裡面可以安老健康安老的這個政策會可以執行的更久那我們還需要哪一些資源"},{"start":14751.737,"end":14774.59,"text":"報告委員,我們主要長照據點的部分,我們是先以村裡據點,先求有再求好更多。有些地方如果說不夠的話,當然就是我們會鼓勵地方政府來再跟我們申請,就是說做更多的據點,我們也非常歡迎。"},{"start":14775.971,"end":14780.556,"text":"這個部分我們會再往這方面來努力"},{"start":14782.25,"end":14810.397,"text":"我希望這個政策其實已經推行到現在已經好幾年了不要留於去比較說去年補助給可能高雄市來申請的補助是多少你這個據點是多少不要留於量我也希望衛福部長照師這一邊可以對於這個值的部分真的可以下去參考一下或者是看一下我們還有什麼可以多做的事情這個是我今天最主要質詢的目的謝謝"},{"start":14811.377,"end":14834.885,"text":"另外也有一些相關的技職學校他其實也已經跟我們長照師這邊有一些合作那我覺得這也是一個非常好的趨勢從高中職開始就開始有這些技職學校已經投入這些相關的服務那我們也會持續結合社區學校以及我們衛福部長照師這邊可以提供給我們所有社區的老長輩們"},{"start":14836.565,"end":14855.481,"text":"一個比較可以在社區安老健康安老的一個環境 謝謝好 謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝李委員接下來我們請莊瑞雄委員莊瑞雄委員莊瑞雄委員不在場我們下一位請賴瑞榮委員謝主席 我請財政部的謝次長"},{"start":14865.4,"end":14874.388,"text":"財政部已經先回去了因為他們案子已經報告完就解凍了所以不在那問一下主計總處的陳副主計長有在 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水平分配等等都應該是要加速來進行的所以我們也希望這個早點來進行審議跟推動畢竟比現行的絕對會我們認為會好很多"},{"start":15026.332,"end":15050.812,"text":"我個人是認為其實這個採劃法原來藍白所主導通過立法院的採劃法其實它對台北當然相當有利它有一些指標的部分其實對台北市是很有利的不管是營業額的部分或者是人口或者是相關的一些數字上面其實反倒對南部的土地面積大 農業人口"},{"start":15052.073,"end":15080.075,"text":"農業的部分或者是老年人口甚至於整個工業指數 污染等等這個沒有納進來或放的比例低的時候對南部是相當不公平的我不知道副組機長同意這樣的看法嗎是 就是說這一次院版的財務法就是有充分去考量個別縣市的一個貢獻比如委員剛剛所提的比如說在農林漁牧方面或者是它在工業方面的付出"},{"start":15080.655,"end":15106.906,"text":"以及它讓有污染的產業在它的當地它所必須得到的貢獻我們希望透過這一次能夠得到一些分配所以就整個那我再請教一下因為有的人會去質疑說到目前為止好像一些詳細的數字還沒有算出來院版的部分這個部分主席總署有計算出來了嗎"},{"start":15107.996,"end":15127.659,"text":"就是說主要就是還是必須統籌分配稅這個部分要先算出來因為主計總署負責的是配套的一般性補助款跟計劃型補助那目前財政部針對統籌分配稅款的這個部分目前是還在試算當中還沒有算出來"},{"start":15128.496,"end":15154.503,"text":"所以還在試算當中不過如果從整個指標跟所有的一些來看的話院版的相較於其他的縣市來說其實相對會是比較公平的一個版本是 我們認為這個已經經過這麼多次的會議就是最大的共識也比較充分的去考量每一個不同的縣市它的貢獻所以我們認為是比較有均衡的照顧到各個縣市"},{"start":15155.663,"end":15163.02,"text":"所以即使數字還沒完全出來但是整個大略的方向上面應該是比較有利於全台灣各縣市的一個均衡發展"},{"start":15163.766,"end":15192.505,"text":"是 尤其這個是製作面是長長久久另外我們看到這一次的願滿裁判法裡面有一個也很重要的重點就是在於它除了溢出給地方的創下一個新的金額創下新高以外其實它有要求了三項的總額合計不得低於114年我覺得這也是一個重要的指標就表示說至少它承諾你未來你的數額不會低於2025年114年一個金額我想這也是一個重要的指標"},{"start":15194.186,"end":15210.235,"text":"副主席想同意這樣的看法嗎就是院版的裁划法是保障統籌費稅跟一般性補助款不低於114年目前它的版本是這樣我們也希望立法院盡快來審議能夠盡快來通過讓各縣市能夠更均衡的一個發展好 謝謝賴委員"},{"start":15226.872,"end":15249.344,"text":"好謝謝接下來請柯之恩柯之恩委員不在接下來請陳金輝陳金輝陳金輝委員不在接下來請蘇巧慧蘇巧慧蘇巧慧委員不在接下來請陳昭之陳昭之陳昭之委員不在蘇巧慧剛剛念過了"},{"start":15251.096,"end":15271.845,"text":"好 蘇喬惠委員不在接下來請黃婕 黃婕 黃婕委員不在接下來請蘇清泉 蘇清泉 蘇清泉委員不在接下來請王美惠 王美惠 王美惠委員不在接下來請何新淳 何新淳 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要的就是憲法我剛有講土地法是民國二十幾年定的憲法是民國三十幾年公布施行的對不對憲法規定很清楚啊由憲立法並執行之包含了憲財產之經營及處分"},{"start":151.653,"end":177.718,"text":"對不對寫得很清楚憲法所以呢這個相關的土地法第25條還在寫還要經過行政院核准就違反憲法明確的現有的財產他只要經過縣議會市議會民意機關的同意就可以了"},{"start":180.668,"end":199.809,"text":"這個相關的地方制度法也都有規定所以這個部分如果我們從這個來去看的話就應該要去支持這個現在原住民我們的陳超明立委跟本席共同提案的這個第25條可以嗎"},{"start":201.464,"end":222.22,"text":"這個部分跟委員做說明首先委員所提案的有地法第14條的修正案的部分有關於第一款第一項第一款至第四款的部分其實我們主要的重點是在國有地那國有地也如同委員所說的事實上它有相關的目的事業主管機關的法令包括水利法包括海岸管理法等等"},{"start":222.62,"end":236.438,"text":"所以我們不是無限制的授權地方行政或者授權行政機關所謂一定限度其實還是要依法行政那麼我們所依循的法就是海岸管理法跟水利法所以與剛才委員所說的其實是市長"},{"start":238.22,"end":266.604,"text":"我们在我们的执行细则我们在我们的执行细则里面其实就有明确的规范这件事情了所以其实委员所担心的事情呢我们事实上在执行细则里面有明确的规范而且我们在实务上操作上面也如同委员所指示的就是说我们是依据海岸管理法水利法等目的事业主管机关他们的法令的规范去执行那个次长你回去再好好看水利法83条规定不得施用"},{"start":267.182,"end":295.132,"text":"但是他現在82條沒有規定沒有規定不得私有但是他把82條的就依你的土地法14條來去做解釋所以這個部分你回去好好在那個討論好好去看好接下來我們請那個因為時間的關係就是延命會那個次長就請回座這個條文字都有細數的很清楚"},{"start":297.298,"end":325.053,"text":"好这个我们先回到这个原住民身份法这个原住民身份法很重要的我们看宪判制第17号114年的这个宪法判决已经很清楚的原住民身份法第二条规定是违反以宪法"},{"start":325.717,"end":354.754,"text":"保障原住民族文化等一直有为所以是已经是身份法第二条是违宪的所以平埔原住民的部分我们立法院也通过了平埔原住民族群身份法所以呢现在平埔原住民族群身份法第八条也规定而且规定的就是说这个我看我们的第五条的"},{"start":355.649,"end":380.924,"text":"这个第8条的第1项的第1款有特别提到以日治时期复集资料内有首评或其他属于证明的写得很清楚而且他还增加了第2第3很宽非常宽所以我们是希望说第1个原住民身份法第2条既然已经是违宪的"},{"start":381.465,"end":410.691,"text":"然后平埔族群的也立了一个新的法例所以回到平地原住民的部分平地原住民的部分就应该还是要修正不然的话他还是违宪的所以这个平地原住民的条文必须要跟山地原住民的部分要一样所以呢为了要更明确的话我们就参考这个刚才这个我谈的那个"},{"start":411.158,"end":441.038,"text":"平埔原住民族群身份法的文字的方式系数的方式就山地原住民就增加日治时期复活调查部登记其本人或知识写信中心属于生生番或高杀族者而平地原住民呢也是针对名定为日治时期复活调查部登记其本人或知识写信中心属于生生番还有眉毛的眉还有高杀族"},{"start":442.273,"end":457.439,"text":"所以這個部分這個部分這個這個移民會這個不足以要談還是要雅博所用好跟委員報告啦那個剛提到那個違憲的那個身份法第二條他事實上是規範不足並沒有失效"},{"start":457.932,"end":478.951,"text":"那委員提的這個相關的建議因為我們之前看到的只是說要拿掉那個戶籍所在地的登記那那個部分會影響非常大的層面會變成跟平埔族群身份法跟這個會混同在一起那未來在執行上又很大困難那委員現在提的這個部分日治時期什麼深翻美或高砂族者這個可以來"},{"start":480.093,"end":507.96,"text":"認定為平地原住民這部分我們需要再一點再給我們一點時間研議看看有他的整個影響面跟他評估他最後會是什麼樣的一個情況再來做一個再來做一個決定好基本上是沒有問題原住民現在的原住民身份法民國九十年開始施行的就是本席在當處長的時候跟亞伯水用他當科研的時候我們離出來的送到立法院三讀通過的"},{"start":509.312,"end":536.754,"text":"然後另外就是這個第七條也是一樣第七條這個可以增加在修正動議增加這個第二項會更明確會更符合這個我們原住民有很多當時沒有登記的能夠彌補他 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總工程預算167.52億中央補助了內政部59.25億交通部49.96億加起來109億佔了三分之二的總預算啦"},{"start":313.703,"end":336.375,"text":"所以要給我們中央多一點掌聲跟鼓勵啦所以呢我要大力的幫你宣傳你也要自我宣傳好不好是好謝謝委員因為我要謝謝交通部中央對台中的這個三層東風快速道路的一個投資跟補助嘛對不對好那市長就你的了解2029可以全線完工嗎"},{"start":337.537,"end":364.719,"text":"台中市政府在施工我們這種參與之類的事項要怎麼了解很難回答我們是不是會後我們再了解因為我們了解這是市府在施工啦台中市政府在施工我知道啊就是台中市政府在施工啊那他們公開講預計2029年要全線完工嘛那我們中央補助了三分之二的總預算的三分之二嘛那這個部分是不是應該"},{"start":365.84,"end":373.386,"text":"我們中央也要了解掌握狀況因為呢我希望他真的能夠如期如實的完工給那三層一個安全的生命線嘛對不對這麼重要的一條道路好那這條道路"},{"start":381.311,"end":399.625,"text":"如期完工之後還會碰到一個問題國道4號銜接東風塊立體交流道所有的節點通通要連結上來它的這個路網才會更安全更方便更成為一個完善的路網"},{"start":400.746,"end":415.471,"text":"那我知道台中市政府2025年就是今年1月有送一個可行性評估報告那他們提出的總經費是26億那中央呢要負擔八成有沒有這件事中央要不要支持"},{"start":416.969,"end":443.179,"text":"因為這個屬於那個高工局的因為高工局今天沒來我是會後了解以後再跟那個委員報告那我要拜託次長交通部一定要全力支持我們東風快都已經補助了三分之二的總經費那國道4號銜接東風快的這個立體交流道也要跟著做也要一起來做因為如果沒有做的話其實我認為只做半套那路網要就做全套"},{"start":443.499,"end":459.747,"text":"好不好 讓他更完善好不好 會後告訴我那接著剛剛講的是比較偏北的北台中那南台中我一直在爭取有一件事情很重要中投公路台63線銜接國道3號的立體交流道"},{"start":460.487,"end":479.485,"text":"為什麼這個重要因為南台中呢我們已經台其實是要這個環線非常的重要是變成是南台中一個對外連外的一個重要的道路而且呢大家使用率很高所以呢我在屯區有六順橋閘道呢今年九月已經通車十九甲閘道呢明年二月要通車"},{"start":480.626,"end":505.641,"text":"然後呢草湖閘道是也已經完工通車接著如果台63線銜接國道3號這一個立體交流道可以完成那他會打通國道3號國道6號以及台74號線的一個永設塞車的問題也會讓我們台中人用路人他的使用率會更方便更高那請問一下次長你知道這件事嗎"},{"start":507.867,"end":522.485,"text":"跟我們報告一下這件事情這件事情大概就是說在做可行性評估那大概整個可言的部分我們大概也兩度呈報這個部裡面那目前部裡面有一些意見叫我們再做一個檢討修正那我們預計12月底會再報給這一個部裡面"},{"start":527.511,"end":544.507,"text":"我聽說你們之前已經先有一個可行性評估送布 布也準了然後送給行政院然後行政院又發還給交通部又發還給你們說要修正是不是是這樣子吧對不對那修正什麼時候可以趕快完成"},{"start":544.927,"end":570.033,"text":"跟委員報告目前我們提出來的這個可行性評估的部分大概就是新增這個五根閘道那這裡面大概這個建議方案是這樣子的一個這一個方向那這裡面那之前大概就是布裡面這個第二波審查意見還有一些這個就是說經費的檢討還包括這個土地取得這些東西請我們再做一個這個修正那目前局裡面正在修正當中什麼時候可以完成"},{"start":570.833,"end":585.504,"text":"我們12月底之前會再報交通部轉行政院好 那要盡快 而且準時我希望能夠行政院趕快的來核定我全力的來爭取支持 好不好好 謝謝文"}]}}],"supported_filter_fields":["term","sessionPeriod","meet_id","legislator","committee_id","date"]}