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我是提案委員之一所以我得跟大家說明一下當初這個提案的目的其實本身是為了保護為了保護我們國內的這個產業啦因為其實就像剛剛啟輝委員提到了洗產地的部分主要是因為我們發現市面上不管是你是這個美國品牌日本品牌或各國的品牌它是掛著西方世界的品牌但它的"},{"start":2808.942,"end":2830.129,"text":"這個產地是Made in China但是因為剛好這個中國他們有對於這種啤酒產業他們有所謂的補助所以我們台灣的請你去7-11去全家各地你去看到非常多美國品牌的啤酒但是你自己喝的是Made in China的這個啤酒所以那時候我們才提那時候業者才有來反應說是不是應該我們在關稅上面讓他們在台灣製造的品牌能夠有"},{"start":2831.089,"end":2845.339,"text":"比較足夠的武器去對抗這種反傾這種傾銷的問題所以才去提原料去降因為其實剛剛提到其實我們這些原料來的來源主要都是來自於歐洲國家或其他的西方國家所以不是不是從中國來他們可能自己內需都"},{"start":2847.04,"end":2861.896,"text":"都不夠了 不會出口給我們所以我覺得我們主要是希望能夠降低這個進口的關稅部分讓我們國內的這些品牌業者他們有比較足夠的武器去對抗因為包含像是幾個西方平台他們在台灣也有設廠那我們也希望說這個降稅降完之後"},{"start":2862.617,"end":2877.672,"text":"其他的品牌西方品牌他們也有意願能夠來台灣設廠我覺得這對整體的台製啤酒的市場甚至是台灣啤酒本身都有這邊的幫助所以我們才提這個修法我想把這個提案的原委跟我們幾位委員來報告以上 謝謝"},{"start":2878.453,"end":2905.902,"text":"好 謝謝我想基本上各位委員大家都沒有問題了好 沒有意見好 就這個海關進口稅則我們就以下宣告我們1107 11000為烘製麥芽部分趙委員 黃建豪等22人委員許富奎等16人委員林思敏等16人委員王洪輝等22人委員羅廷偉等22人委員李燕秀等19人提案通過"},{"start":2909.663,"end":2923.727,"text":"1107.2.000烘制麥芽部分 照委員黃建豪等22人委員徐富奎等16人 委員林思明等16人委員王宏威等22人 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那再來延續剛剛我們召委的一個詢問其實在這次1.219的一個恐怖攻擊事件裡面也有專家學者就看得出來未來其實在這種為什麼大眾運輸場域集中的地方我們要加強演練"},{"start":4038.984,"end":4057.644,"text":"很大的一個原因是因為這樣的一個凶嫌他的心理狀態他可能是想要破壞正常的生活那一樣拉回來因為我們各縣市政府其實這個捷運有所謂的捷運公司那我們自己交通部主管機關其實不管是台鐵或高鐵現在也都是公司"},{"start":4058.244,"end":4085.431,"text":"所以說變成是我們怎麼樣整合您剛剛有提到一個演練非常重要那我想請教一下因為現在我們系統會比較多元警察的部分由內政部來負責但是交通部的主管機關其實是掌控這一些可是這一些大眾運輸又是各縣市政府所以它就變成是說有一點點多頭馬車但我覺得說安全標準還是要一致也因此你剛剛講說最快的速度來做一個演練我們有沒有一套標準"},{"start":4086.343,"end":4107.435,"text":"跟委員報告我們目前最優先的是聯合的廠站例如說我們供購廠站有三鐵供購兩鐵供購等等的這些我們先優先處理目前也都有計畫我們本來就有一個擬定的計畫不過還要再更落實還有就是兩位委員不斷在提到的就是演練的部分我們要更落實下去演練我們過去其實針對多元的"},{"start":4108.475,"end":4135.72,"text":"狀態的演練蠻多的那尤其是火災跟水災的災害的狀況但是現在看得到就是委員您剛剛特別提醒的就是人為攻擊的部分的演練過去或許頻率跟次數沒有這麼多那這個部分必須要加強起來那第二就是我也請鐵道局我剛剛也有報告過明天下午我們武聖雲次長會召開一個會議請鐵道局也好或者是各個場戰系統也好大家共同來討論那各自合作的界面是什麼"},{"start":4136.32,"end":4163.042,"text":"那個很重要在這次的事件當中所以明天的開會鐵道局會找我們六個縣市的捷運局捷運公司台鐵 高鐵一起來是嗎來 我們請司長來回答一下看有哪些單位來報告委員請要回答初步是鐵道局我們監理單位供應師 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部長早我們看到在1219那天傍晚就是發生的在台北車站跟中山商圈發生的這個恐怖攻擊事件造成就是有人傷亡跟受傷這樣子一個無差別的殺人事件震驚全國當然也讓很多人在擔憂就是說未來在很多人潮多的地方尤其是重要的交通運輸場域"},{"start":6038.454,"end":6054.525,"text":"包括台鐵高鐵或者是捷運等等這樣子人潮多的一個地方我們要怎樣去加強安全的維護跟對危機發生的時候的一個因應這個部分是不是部長可以簡單先說一下"},{"start":6055.706,"end":6079.9,"text":"跟委員報告這次的事件其實讓我們做了很多的檢討尤其是這個聯合式的場站有兩鐵公共三鐵公共四鐵公共等等的車站我們的橫向聯繫的部分我們必須要再更加強這是一方面二方面我們跟警政單位也密切在聯繫尤其在元旦的假期跟春節的假期人潮多的時候怎麼讓民眾能夠感到安心這個部分我們也會努力來做"},{"start":6080.66,"end":6105.334,"text":"那第三個部分是對於人力的部分因為警力也是有限我知道警政署非常努力在盤點他們的人力看怎麼樣協助我們的場戰單位但是我們自己的單位也要再去盤點我們保全的人力像台鐵公司已經有初步在盤點各個場戰的這個保全的人力夠不夠那我們希望能夠更細緻化去滾動檢討各個場戰的人力該怎麼樣配置安全的人力該怎麼樣配置讓民眾能夠更放心"},{"start":6105.99,"end":6132.763,"text":"是好這個事件當然就是讓我們可以有更多檢討的一個空間那希望未來當然就是我們要防範於未然希望就是說當然不希望這個事件的發生可是在發生的時候我們要怎樣去讓傷害降到最低那因為這一次我們要很感謝就是這個余家長先生他在第一時間可以說他犧牲了他自己阻止了這個傷害的擴大那也要感謝很多"},{"start":6133.786,"end":6150.184,"text":"這個警察在第一時間也都衝向這個危險的一個狀況在不明的狀況之下都衝到第一線去處理那當然就是說我們未來就是說怎樣去落實模擬演練強化這個反應的速度就非常的一個重要"},{"start":6150.734,"end":6174.21,"text":"那模擬演練就本席所了解的就是說剛剛部長有提到台鐵部分會檢討他的保全的人力那在平常的一個模擬演練就本席所了解好像都是比較著重在防火防水以及機械故障等等的這樣子的一個狀況對於這種恐怖攻擊的狀況好像還沒有模擬演練過"},{"start":6175.231,"end":6188.861,"text":"是 報告委員其實有模擬演練過但是頻率上面確實是比較少我們是針對水災火災等等的一些災害的狀況我們有時常在模擬演練但是對於人為的供給的部分是我們未來必須要加強的"},{"start":6189.528,"end":6217.207,"text":"是好那這個部分我們要加強那另外就是說因為對於這個公共的交通場域就是有時候會是涉及到多個單位像我們台北車站就是有台鐵有高鐵也有這個捷運所以就是說對於這個危險狀況發生的時候我們這些單位的一個橫向聯繫怎樣可以更加的一個快速這個部分就是因為我們看到說這次的事件發生的時候好像也凸顯出說"},{"start":6218.428,"end":6241.39,"text":"像捷運警察大隊跟台北市的中正一分局他們之間使用的無線電是不同規格的是歐規跟美規的差別是不是這樣子一個差別會造成說在聯繫上會有造成時間上的一個遲緩這部分未來會不會有做一個檢討改進或者整合的部分"},{"start":6242.231,"end":6262.109,"text":"報告委員我們自己的那個聯合防災的單位我們各個廠站都會有這個聯合防災的這個計畫那我們的那個單位的聯合的溝通的部分我們正在精進當中正在討論如何能夠更加精進那尤其這次北車的事件讓我們發現說我們的橫向聯繫可能不足"},{"start":6263.129,"end":6289.623,"text":"就是向上的這個溝通也不一定足夠所以我們的各個系統軌道系統它的這個行控中心接到訊息的時間點可能有稍微晚了一點點這個我們必須要快速檢討那警政單位的彼此的聯繫那我相信內政部跟警政署目前也針對這個案子所看到的問題正在做檢討我所知道應該內政部警政署已經在做這方面的溝通跟了解了"},{"start":6290.123,"end":6312.468,"text":"我想這個應該是很重要因為我們這個就是不管就是軌道運輸的乘客都非常的多那萬一就是說車站發生狀況了我們要怎樣第一時間就是讓這個列車的行駛就是可以有所因應跟反應這個是非常的重要所以對於這個聯繫的不管是橫向或者是縱向的"},{"start":6312.848,"end":6330.713,"text":"都非常的一個重要那另外就是說就這個事件我們在這邊要再次感謝這個警察人員的一個辛苦可是也凸顯出說我們這個警察人力的不足就是非常嚴重的不足那我們內政部今天警政署有出席嗎"},{"start":6333.414,"end":6355.718,"text":"警政署副署長我們看到整個警察人力編制原額跟實際的人數在新北市跟台北市是缺額蠻多的都高達兩三千人那對於這樣子的一個勤務壓力我們警政署這邊內政部有沒有什麼一個積極的改善"},{"start":6358.206,"end":6378.147,"text":"謝謝委員關心我們警力的問題那跟委員這邊報告一下我們大概113年大概派補了1800名的一個警力那114年大概是2800名的警力那明年115年也預計要派補3000名的一個警力"},{"start":6378.607,"end":6399.902,"text":"那可是因為每年都有退休了所以退休跟這一個派補警力這邊一定會有相關的一個落差所以這部分我們也內部也在檢討根據各單位的一個缺額跟派補的一個時程我們會再來做詳細的一個精算然後請這個招生單位這邊做招生的一個詳細的做一個規劃"},{"start":6400.743,"end":6417.203,"text":"是謝謝是次長謝謝那我們也希望就是說就這個部分我們應該也要積極的去補這個缺額然後因為這個警察勤務確實是蠻繁雜然後壓力也蠻大的那我們希望就是說這個缺額的補足然後也可以"},{"start":6417.583,"end":6441.922,"text":"在這個勤務的執行上可以降低他們的壓力也能夠有更多的一個能力來應變這個突發的一個狀況好 謝謝那接下來我想請教一下有關就是觀光署這個部分就是這一次的恐怖攻擊事件對於我們就是國際觀光旅客這個部分有沒有造成影響觀光署副署長"},{"start":6446.198,"end":6470.111,"text":"那個國際旅客的部分我們第一時間事實上就對駐外去講我們那部分是單一事件所以希望是營造就是說這部分還是有新鮮來那依這幾天的觀察的部分事實上人數事實上是往上成長的而且比平時是比較多一點點但我想應該是還是多多少少影響但是我們希望有宣傳的部分來吸引更多的客人來台灣"},{"start":6470.985,"end":6482.187,"text":"是 因為我們看到這一次的這個攻擊事件像日本韓國的媒體也都非常的關注那我們也不希望說這樣子的一個事件造成了就是國際旅客對台灣"},{"start":6483.1,"end":6502.7,"text":"的治安有所疑慮所以我們也希望觀光署這邊應該要加強這個澄清跟宣傳好謝謝那我想最後一個問題想請教一下就是很多通勤組都很關心這個TPAS的這個經費的問題那我們看到就是明年度中央政府總預算至今還沒有付為審查"},{"start":6503.581,"end":6522.382,"text":"所以很多通勤組都在關心說這個TPAS的經費會不會斷吹因為我們看到這樣子的一個政策事實上造福很多的通勤組我們看到這個資料應該目前每個月還有近百萬人次常態性的一個使用所以可以說是"},{"start":6522.842,"end":6545.449,"text":"降低通勤組交通負擔效果非常的大所以很多通勤組也會因此而擔憂這個政策這個預算如果沒有過是不是會導致這樣子的一個補助就沒了因為我們看到行政院所發布的訊息是說如果這個預算沒過明年3月TPAS補助就斷催"},{"start":6546.329,"end":6562.528,"text":"可是在之前我們有看到公路局對外的說明卻說可以正常購買使用我現在想了解一下為什麼不同調造成民眾混淆報告委員我們在115年針對TPAS的部分公路局編列了75.2億的經費"},{"start":6565.071,"end":6589.398,"text":"那確實整個TPAS的維持中央的預算是相當的重要我們四年總共編列了363.8億那我們目前為止預算還沒有審議那所以未來如果我們這個TPAS要繼續營運的話只能靠兩個經費一個就是說定期票的這個票收這個部分那另外就是說地方政府的負擔的款項的部分"},{"start":6590.178,"end":6617.975,"text":"那靠這兩個部分其實不一定能夠營運下去我必須很坦白講不一定能夠營運下去所以我們公路局已經發函給各個縣市有發行TPAS的縣市先請問他們一下如果我們的錢已經確定1月無法到位的時候他們該怎麼因應那我們希望他們在1月2號之前能夠回復給我們這個因應的模式能夠確定說TPAS受到的影響層面有多大我們目前正在收集跟收容當中"},{"start":6618.695,"end":6645.538,"text":"那看得出來我們的預算如果沒有到位我相信這個影響一定會發生是 好 謝謝部長的說明所以為了我們百姓的福祉我在這邊是呼籲藍白的立委要趕快讓我們這個總預算覆為審查好 謝謝好 謝謝委員好 謝謝陳素悅委員發言完畢現在請林俊憲委員發言等一下黃建豪委員發言完畢之後休息十分鐘"},{"start":6652.117,"end":6680.204,"text":"感謝主席 本席邀請我們交通部陳部長請陳部長香港局還有民進黨局在嗎民進黨局組密葉局長部長今天中共突然間宣布在台海周邊進行演習在我們的東邊 北邊 西南 東南"},{"start":6681.852,"end":6684.064,"text":"進行突然的軍事演習"},{"start":6685.1,"end":6710.872,"text":"我想請問這樣突然間宣布的軍事演習會不會影響到我們台灣的對外進出的航空以及海運的相關事項來 請你回答一下跟委員報告我們今天早上確實收到這樣的訊息他們的演習總共分五個區塊在台灣的周邊那首先我要代表交通部的立場要表示對中國的這樣子蠻橫無禮的作為表達強烈的譴責跟強烈的抗議"},{"start":6712.793,"end":6734.035,"text":"那另外他在我們的周邊做演習必然對於海跟空的航運一定會有影響那目前我們正在透過了解他的這個演習的範圍還有危險的區域我們目前正在盤點當中盤點完之後我們會針對我們的替代航路還有未來的流量管理的部分來做詳細的計畫"},{"start":6735.356,"end":6760.777,"text":"我希望大陸要盡快訂出緊急應變措施是 沒錯這個一定會影響到我們的海運還有空運那到底影響的範圍有多大 對不對是那我們必須要或者是說影響到多少旅客或者貨物的進出是 我們今天早上正在盤點這件事情對 那有什麼樣的替代的替代的方式是因為像這樣子突然間蠻橫無理的對台進行軍事演習"},{"start":6761.798,"end":6789.608,"text":"以後也可能會這樣發生是我們必須要把這樣子的一個應變的緊急的應對措施我們交通部必須要好好的來處理是 好這不會是最後一次當然 跟委員報告目前我們在找替代的航路那替代航路我們正在討論當中包含海跟空的部分那替代航路找出來之後我們的航路減少了必然它的流量就會受到影響流量的管理的部分我們也正在討論"},{"start":6790.208,"end":6805.227,"text":"我認為這個其實平時你們就應該有類似這樣的一個準備了是你不要說今天突然間中國一宣布了讓我們趕快再來做什麼我們基本的SOP都有但是我們要看他每一次他演習的區域不同我們來做調整"},{"start":6806.048,"end":6829.225,"text":"加拿大不能夠盡快提出相關的應變措施你也應該盡快讓民眾了解到底有多少人或多少貨物多少航線會受到相關的一個影響是 我們的因應的措施會盡快跟我們來報告那我也認為我們政府應該要正式的提出對中國嚴厲的一個抗議是 沒錯那兩位局長來請你們進行就你們相關管轄事務趕快做出一定的一個回應 好嗎"},{"start":6830.697,"end":6850.972,"text":"好 那兩位局長就先請回座了那部長今天我們大家再來討論北捷這個不幸的事件我看很多的立委同仁都對表達關心剛剛討論了不外乎是橫向聯繫的問題種種警力不足 大家都討論這些"},{"start":6852.533,"end":6876.61,"text":"我想請問部長你知不知道在北車有一個聯合防災中心這個我知道 我去過好幾次這個是2019年聯合成立的其實主要是由台鐵在管但是它這個聯合防災中心因為北車太大 太重要所以它管轄的大概有四鐵台鐵 高鐵 北捷還有桃捷 桃園捷運這四個鐵"},{"start":6877.711,"end":6902.993,"text":"那它管理的包括中山地下街 戰前地下街 K區地下街還有微風廣場就民眾進出人非常多的一個地方聯合防災中心應該是24小時都要有人在裡面而且四個鐵都要派人在裡面我不知道案發的時候防災中心裡面這四鐵有沒有人在現場"},{"start":6904.517,"end":6931.309,"text":"跟委員報告目前的營運的狀態是這樣他們房災中心有人在裡面有人在裡面有人在裡面但是沒有像委員所說的四鐵四接全部派員在裡面目前是沒有按照規定是要的他一定有一定的相關規定我們好 再來你這個你這個房災中心成立以後到現在只進行過一次的實地演習"},{"start":6933.834,"end":6959.233,"text":"2019年成立 該年的10月23號有實際的演練 維安 還有一個縱火事件然後呢 2020年一整年都沒有演練2021年演練一次2022年 2023年完全兩年都沒有演練了2024年再演練一次所以這五年來只演練三次其中一次實地演練"},{"start":6960.606,"end":6989.071,"text":"剩下兩次桌上推演你是在走路還是在打擾我 我不知道用兵推的方式我覺得非常的沒有危機感我認為台灣過去治安太好造成官方沒有危機感其實很多民眾也沒有危機感所以我們在看到那個畫面那個兇手已經拿刀這樣到處跑"},{"start":6990.282,"end":7018.508,"text":"我看經過很多民眾大家看了也沒有警覺這其實都是必須除了一些危機感的宣導以外就民防的演練就靠你們平常要有訓練是你成立一個災防中心要幹嘛五年不給你演練就演練過一次 失地了剩下兩次那個根本敷衍了事什麼叫桌上推演之安"},{"start":7020.615,"end":7043.722,"text":"在桌上怎麼推演你有拍影片嗎你有錄音嗎演練什麼你敢公佈嗎 部長你去了解一下好不好 是沒有錯 平常太過鬆懈所以像發生事情不知道要怎麼處理我到防災中心在開檢討會議的時候我也認為說這樣子的演練的次數跟密度確實是不夠那過去我們會比較以這個火災跟"},{"start":7044.282,"end":7063.084,"text":"水災等等在做演練那這個也是不對的對於人為的攻擊或者是一些危安的事件應該要多做演練好 那你也掌握到這個重點我再請部長看一下其實這個試鐵就北車它有模擬可能遇到的狀況的一個可能發生率"},{"start":7066.193,"end":7089.299,"text":"來 這是各類災害就評估的可能性可能會發生的機率火災67% 地震100%因為台灣會地震嘛它各鐵各地下街都有發生什麼事故的可能發生的比率灰災 跌宕 暴力攻擊公共危險 物品外洩恐怖攻擊 水災"},{"start":7090.579,"end":7112.716,"text":"列車出軌 公共區域異常斷電 還有其他等等寫得很好看就是說你已經預先評估什麼樣的事件發生的機率但是啦 遇到某一個事件發生的機率的處理 SOPR來 我們看一下 你只準備兩個啦一個就是火災跟地震我請部長看一下啦"},{"start":7117.25,"end":7138.666,"text":"你們的演練SOP只有針對火災跟地震 全都沒有但是你自己寫的 暴力攻擊可能發生率33%這很高吧 對不對 恐怖攻擊也是33%那發生類似這樣的暴力事件 就以北車這次事件來講"},{"start":7139.847,"end":7165.461,"text":"你們是沒有列入你們的SOP你的SOP只列兩種一個就火災跟地震 我給你看一下這個是列SOP啦好 再來當事情發生的時候很多民眾還不知道因為北側那麼大 範圍那麼廣它可能有在地面 有可能在地下萬一發生突發狀況"},{"start":7167.554,"end":7193.921,"text":"其實可以運用細胞簡訊你可以叫一般民眾不要再進入我看他今天也很怕人怕你怕你大家不知道發生什麼事情你其實可以用細胞簡訊但是現在可以運用細胞簡訊的沒有包含視帖都沒有了交通部只有氣象組還有公路局"},{"start":7195.712,"end":7208.965,"text":"時代在轉變啦 狀況在改變啦我請交通部應該要把你相關的公共運輸也要納入可以發送細胞簡訊的國安系統裡面你知道嗎"},{"start":7210.1,"end":7236.815,"text":"因為我們什麼樣可以發射發射細胞檢訊它其中就有一項除了國家級警報還有一個叫緊急警報適用於民眾可能受到危害的災害你也可以來用細胞檢訊但目前你不能用因為沒有包括可發布的單位沒有包括公共運輸你應該把它納進來細胞檢訊政府你還沒寫對"},{"start":7239.759,"end":7247.19,"text":"這個不用錢這個是本來我們留的一個管道是危難 緊急 災害的時候要用的"},{"start":7247.967,"end":7269.018,"text":"你這個就不能贏了你就不能贏了趕快把這個漏洞給補起來好不好好 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請陳部長 公路局林局長 請林福山局長觀光署副署長 請觀光署副署長"},{"start":9078.908,"end":9099.41,"text":"很好部長 早 部長我想這個今天的主題是這個針對交通安全跟大眾運輸的一個春節的一個輸運的一個狀況我想進入這個主題之前我想要做這個做好這個交通安全我想也會牽扯到一個預算的問題這個沒錢就沒辦法做事情尤其我們現在"},{"start":9100.231,"end":9119.678,"text":"在對整個這個軟硬體的建設還有人力的補足方面我想都需要中央這個立法院這個趕快來審明年的總預算那因為我們目前這個總預算確實在立法院卡關是那所以依預算法第54條的規定如果中央政府的總預算未能在期限完成審議的時候那"},{"start":9122.3,"end":9141.356,"text":"依51條的規定 那各機關的一個預算執行 收入包含付稅 規費這些強制性的收入 會比照這個去年的標準但新興的預算 新興的計畫就不能推動部長我想剛剛我們在這個螢幕上面 包含我們北回之巔這個旗艦計畫 5.23億還有高頻的東西巷 第二塊數高頻二塊"},{"start":9148.823,"end":9166.099,"text":"這個影響到我們通勤組最嚴重的部分高達75.2億這幾個這幾個案子都跟屏東有密切的關係那我想我們也很擔心未來這樣立法院的一個亂象對我們這個總預算沒辦法通過真的會影響到屏東整個重要的交通建設"},{"start":9166.92,"end":9178.319,"text":"那交通建設一影響之後 我們整個這個經濟發展 產業發展甚至很多的一些鄉親的一些通行的一個福利我想對我們極不公平那未來針對這樣的狀況 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112年鐵路警察局的人數112年是778位113年是705位114年也只有706位我想這人力的不足也會影響到整個勤務的編排那當然我想我們也很多次在委員會都有特別提到這個"},{"start":9443.38,"end":9460.314,"text":"針對這樣的一個大眾運輸尤其現在台鐵也好高鐵也好這個捷運也好運量非常非常的大那如何這樣針對這樣的一個警力不足的部分副所長我想我們還是要有因應對策什麼時候可以針對這個邊線的部分能夠去補充適當的一個人力"},{"start":9463.02,"end":9482.714,"text":"謝謝委員關心這個我們鐵路警察的一個人力的問題我想警政署在統合規劃這個全國各警察機關的一個警力的部分大概113年他全國是派補了1800名那114年就是派補了2600名"},{"start":9484.375,"end":9503.32,"text":"那預計明年115年也會派補這個3000名的一個警力那當然這裡面會存在退休人員跟警力派補之間的一個落差那所以我們現在內部也會做一個檢討就針對缺額比像鐵路警察的一個缺額比"},{"start":9503.88,"end":9513.807,"text":"還有其他各機關的一個勤務的一個繁重的一個程度我們做全面性的一個檢討然後跟這個招訓單位警專 警大這邊來做通盤性的一個檢討檢討整個招訓的一個源頭謝謝委員關心"},{"start":9519.304,"end":9536.305,"text":"我想這個警力不足是長久的問題啦那尤其包含不要說警政署這個中央單位連縣市政府的警察局人都不夠啦所以大家真的勤務很吃緊那我們第一線的同仁也非常的辛苦所以我們還是要替他們請命一下這個撥補的人力跟這個"},{"start":9537.146,"end":9556.918,"text":"警專 警大招生的部分真的還是需要全面來檢討能夠加快這個撥補的一個力道謝謝委員關心對 我們都不希望待會發生再想到這樣的一個人力撥補的問題都不會有了所以我想我自己也多次不用要求我們這個像潮州火車站也好"},{"start":9557.478,"end":9575.269,"text":"潮州火車站是屏東的一等站那全國排名39的運量我想這個部分我們過去也感謝警政署的支持我們有設了一個分住所但這麼久就沒有人了這個見景率很高的副總我想這部分怎麼來調整這個部分"},{"start":9578.031,"end":9591.637,"text":"這個部分潮州火車站部分我們再跟鐵路警察局這邊做他整個警力的運用的調配的部分看是不是要再做一個檢討的部分我們檢討完之後再跟委員做一個回覆"},{"start":9592.242,"end":9620.397,"text":"對 我提的不是只有潮州啦 我想包含航空也好 航空警察局也好 包含我們這個鐵路警察局也好 應該都有這樣的一個安 治安的一個人力需求那怎麼樣讓我們的基層同仁因為現在有時候這些 我們這些專業單位的警力的那個員警的年紀也比較大啦這個體力負擔也沒那麼好 所以真的還是必須要心血輪能夠做一個輪替那這部分我想還是需要我們這個到時候內政部我們一起來共同來努力來檢討 謝謝委員"},{"start":9621.898,"end":9628.48,"text":"好 謝謝 謝謝委員徐務官委員發言完畢現在請蔡啟昌委員發言謝謝主席 先提一個權宜問題那個外面已經比裡面熱了裡面比較寬 外面比較熱"},{"start":9651.398,"end":9676.897,"text":"剛才來19度 現在已經變18.9不知道主席要降到幾度才那個可不可以請議事人員先把那個溫度稍微好 請議事人員立即處理大家排碳要注意一下不要這樣冷氣一直開下去開到這樣一直排碳這對地球非常不好來 謝謝主席英明的指示那請陳部長請陳部長"},{"start":9680.616,"end":9693.423,"text":"這個民安局何局長內政部馬次長請馬次長 請政署廖副署長請廖副署長請你們一起上來 這樣節省時間"},{"start":9697.034,"end":9717.016,"text":"部長我想上一次因為會議關係沒有邀請您過來所以我有請次長跟局長針對台中星宇航空我們都已經跟他有默契他們也送出申請台中飛東京的航線"},{"start":9718.197,"end":9745.055,"text":"那我有請交通部全力來協助所以趁部長今天來是不是全力來協助讓台中可以飛東京這個航線趕快能夠開通是 報告委員在台中的這個航運的需求量其實相當的大大家都希望台中能夠更多的航線跟航點那目前也比疫情之前還更多但是很關鍵的飛東京的這一線目前民航局全力會來協助那新宇航空也相當積極"},{"start":9745.976,"end":9760.212,"text":"希望在明年3月能夠飛程那我們目前也在接洽這個東京那邊的地勤地勤單位我們星雲航空要努力但是我也請民航局這邊全力來協助星雲航空來促成明年3月讓台中可以飛東京"},{"start":9760.913,"end":9778.099,"text":"我想部長你掌握得很清楚第一個我想數字我都提供了台中的航線基本上都是八成起跳的每班的行李很好飛機跟航點不足那我們也都知道關鍵點在於日方"},{"start":9778.639,"end":9796.43,"text":"所以我才會請政府特別是交通部盡力來協助跟方牆加強來溝通第二個就是那個明年華信也多兩台噴射客機所以我也期待有一台可以留在台中部長這個沒問題一台在台中承諾沒問題這個部分我們會跟華信公司講好了他們會留一台在台中那都會賺錢"},{"start":9802.233,"end":9811.163,"text":"不是我在這裡因為台中立委很認真在這裡行李很好飛機量不夠而已載客率非常高然後這兩個完成之後部長可能就那個"},{"start":9812.722,"end":9841.957,"text":"航廈的一樣嘛行李越來越好就航廈右線的用色跟小所以這個都是計畫一直在進行當中而且我是希望能夠民航局能夠再加速啦對對對 所以這個國際市場很有潛力啦我一直講過很多遍有潛力的地方我們就要趕快的超前部署好 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那也要求我們在元旦跟春節連假期間讓警政署加強對於這些活動重點熱點區域來做這些維安的布置好 謝謝來 有請高鐵董事長跟鐵道局長"},{"start":11665.192,"end":11684.178,"text":"我先感謝交通部陳部長在我在交通委員會質詢的時候我們對於這個高雄左營車站的月台沒有辦法直接下高雄捷運這個我們提出的爭取那部長也很快的指示包含高鐵公司已經開始做從"},{"start":11686.599,"end":11693.609,"text":"今年1月開始委託顧問公司做這些基本的設計我想請問我們一直希望今年今天已經12月29那"},{"start":11697.285,"end":11722.627,"text":"還沒有辦法動工非常我也知道現在相關的這些工作都已經在進行中有沒有遇到什麼困難這個要局長還是這個董事長董事長自己說要回應來請石董事長好謝謝主席謝謝委員我們也坦誠跟委員報告了我們事實上在做積極的準備事實上在準備發報當中不過我們在做最後的協調階段的原因是因為這個工程剛好跟我們現在這個"},{"start":11725.689,"end":11737.218,"text":"月台門的裝飾以及這個我們新車導入剛好算是一個重複的時間簡單講我們每天有點複雜我們每天能夠施工的時間我們每天能夠施工的時間只剩夜間的四個小時"},{"start":11742.761,"end":11768.562,"text":"所以我們在選商的過程我們事實上要特別考慮到廠商的施作的意願跟能力所以這個部分再給我們一點時間一天只有4個小時可以施作所以如果依原本的工程一天可以做8到10個小時的話等於這個工程我們原本預想是一年它可能會乘以2.5的意思甚至可能不止所以我想這個部分也跟委員坦承這個確實是一個困難度"},{"start":11769.503,"end":11783.561,"text":"算是相當高的一個工程董事長那我再請教細一點的問題有三個月台那這三個月台會分批的來完工還是會同步的來完工不會同步進行"},{"start":11784.144,"end":11803.357,"text":"不會同步進行就是有一個樂台他可能會提早完工可能會先完工然後接下來另外兩個樂台你如果運氣不好坐到另外兩個樂台的車下車之後繞十分鐘再到高捷還是不會這樣子啦但是事實上是需要分批人流來進行沒有 確實是會發生啊但是要三個樂台都完工才能夠連通啦"},{"start":11804.258,"end":11831.101,"text":"三個月才都完工你可以下面先做這個細部的部分我們希望再找時間跟董事長這邊來做一個討論所以我們在最後階段還要再做一些協調的工作我們的想像其實就是說你下面也是要做先做起來另外兩個月台的通道還沒有好沒關係先不用開但是我們一個月台好了就可以先嘗試可以先讓乘客來使用使用之後就發現這麼好的事情怎麼現在才做"},{"start":11831.761,"end":11846.313,"text":"你看我今天運氣好做到這個A月台我馬上下去就到高雄捷運了另外兩個月台你再繞一下沒關係我想我們在最後再做最薄細部的這個協調只是說這個因為正是在一個營運當中的這個車站來施作確實是有一些挑戰"},{"start":11847.014,"end":11874.441,"text":"我們願意等待也體會也理解這個施工的困難那確實在當初設計的時候就應該要放進來我們穿著衣服改衣服在面對這麼複雜的工程包含月台門包含這個車輛的採買等等的我們願意體諒也理解而且必須要多花很多費用這我們也理解那也感謝高鐵公司跟交通部的支持讓"},{"start":11876.618,"end":11902.167,"text":"高雄的旅客坐到高雄的時候可以直接使用到這個月台謝謝謝謝謝謝董事長謝謝部長謝謝李博義委員發言完畢現在請邱若驊委員發言謝謝主席主席請交通部陳部長請陳部長"},{"start":11908.706,"end":11933.333,"text":"委員好 部長好因為部長行程和時間的關係我們就直接聚焦在這一次的專題安全防護 安全維護那現在很多民眾他們其實就是一個問題出門搭車進站還有帶家人出遊嘛會不會有事那現在搭乘搭這種交通工具到底安不安全如何自保人就是自身的安全那先和部長討論我們先看到列車車廂台鐵高鐵還有捷運一旦開動之後就是一個短時間內走不了的密閉空間"},{"start":11934.193,"end":11958.751,"text":"那如果車廂內發生狀況警察往往都在越台車站那第一時間在現場的不是警察是列車長還有隨車的保全那現在多半都只有對講機通報沒有問題但在警察到達之前那這段時間怎麼辦那我們在看到新北捷運他有盾甲包那台北捷運他在詢問處也有放防護圓盾那現在在列車上面列車長還有隨車的保全他們可以怎麼辦"},{"start":11960.83,"end":11989.89,"text":"報告委員我們其實各個軌道系統就交通部所管轄的其實他們也都有一些設備跟設施跟保全之間的配合那像我剛剛所說過的高鐵系統其實他們在廠站裡面該設置的配備其實都有那車上的保全其實也有一定的配備那台鐵的部分也正在盤點我們有些站有有些站沒有那目前我們在看哪些站應該要提供這樣子的這個配備目前正在討論也希望能夠加強"},{"start":11991.071,"end":12007.112,"text":"是那就是針對這個裝備那我們是不是可以至少先隨車就是配發防割手套或是可以用的基本的基本的裝備呢就是至少在事件發生後不會讓他們去徒手去對抗歹徒我們也不是要就是希望他們"},{"start":12007.672,"end":12036.106,"text":"至少不要讓他們完全空手是委員這個建議很好我覺得像高鐵是有保全保全當然就會操作這個面向的工具但是台鐵可能我們車上不一定有保全那不一定有保全的狀況底下是不是可以設置這樣子的設備跟配備讓我們的這個整個車上的工作人員工作同仁他可以有一定的配備可以自我防護我也給部長建議我們來看到日本鐵路公司他有明文規定就是裝備不是警察專屬的"},{"start":12036.826,"end":12058.352,"text":"那大多數的大站還有長途的列車那他們也會配置防刺盾牌還有床櫃還有護具那放在就是破壞即開的櫃中那他們原則很簡單就是當然希望這些裝備都用不上嘛那當用得到的時候他們希望這些裝備是有在列車上面的那這邊也給部長建議我們再來進行研議這個我們來研議一下哪些廠站或者是哪些列車上應該要配備我們來思考"},{"start":12058.652,"end":12082.806,"text":"OK好那接下來我們看到車站那大型車站人亦多那真的可怕的是那除了事件本身之外那還有恐慌推擠踩踏那這邊請教部長那現在車站有這些監視還有分析的系統嗎那是不是真的能夠看出異常的人流還有遺留物還是那個設備就只是在那邊那近期發生的事件我們有沒有去檢視這些智慧影像的系統分析它真正能夠發揮作用"},{"start":12083.457,"end":12111.791,"text":"向委員報告目前大概就是監視系統有辦法看到影像但是能不能導入AI對於異常的動作或異常的人流或異常的行為有沒有可能能夠辨識的出來辨識的出來就可以做緊急快速的應變那如果辨識不出來因為它的CCTV其實相當多像以北車整個大北車來說的話大概有將近2000個CCTV那不太可能用人力去看所以這個AI的建置是我們目前需要想辦法趕快"},{"start":12113.132,"end":12142.512,"text":"現在有CCTV可以看到現場嗎那如果車站真的進行需要進行這個管控人流的時候第一時間是站方決定還是警察做決定是誰能夠下令說這個車站只能出不進這個應該是站方要先做決定第一時間應該是站方自己要先做決定站方自己做決定那接下來想請問部長就是有關演練的部分那這些這一次發生的事件之後嘛那演練北捷有進行演練那接下來還有哪些地方會進行演練"},{"start":12143.212,"end":12167.344,"text":"跟委員報告我們大北車的部分我們在一月底之前我們會做演練這次發生事情我們因為大北車的區域我們有四鐵四接再加上一個微風所以有九個機構在同一個地方那我們在明年的一月底之前我們會做一次的演練那其實我們每一年都固定有在演練不管是台鐵也好高鐵也好或者是各個軌道系統其實都在做演練"},{"start":12167.964,"end":12189.909,"text":"那過去我們是比較針對火災或者是地震或者是水災等等做的演練相對是多一些那對於人為的供給的部分是未來我們要加強的重點這個部分我們也會請鐵道局這邊來要求也是監督各個軌道系統都要來做那另外除了軌道以外我們所有的交通場站都應該要做這方面的演練"},{"start":12190.289,"end":12206.125,"text":"那我這邊先請問就是高鐵台鐵然後這些演練這些流程有沒有實施接下來會不會納入說民眾會恐慌的情境因為我們都是根據過去的SOP那剛剛部長也有提到過去都是像水災還是火災那"},{"start":12207.066,"end":12221.167,"text":"希望接下來的演練不只是形式上的演練而已而是真的是去測試說當演練也要納入說廣播會清不清楚然後還有動線會不會打結人會不會亂跑像這些都要加入我們接下來的演練那有沒有實際的就是具體的計畫呢"},{"start":12222.188,"end":12245.625,"text":"報告委員我們剛剛講了明年的一月底之前台北會演練那明年的年中中間的中我們在台中跟高雄左營站也都會做類似的演練那您在所擔憂的這一點是我們也必須要演練的就是說如果人潮發生了恐慌的狀態大家會不會有擁擠的這個現象這個部分當然也都要列入整個演練的這個細節當中"},{"start":12247.355,"end":12271.295,"text":"是那今天就是和部長就是討論的就是密閉的車廂還有車站的軟目標還有群眾的踩踏就是演練希望避免這些情形發生那這些都是國際反恐還有公共安全的分類標準那這邊也跟部長就是就是提出一個建議在英國他是反恐最成熟的系統之一那他們有一個核心的概念就是soft 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謝謝邱若驊委員發言完畢現在請游浩委員游浩委員游浩委員不在現在請徐欣穎委員徐欣穎委員徐欣穎委員不在登記諮詢委員發言均已完畢做以下決定報告及詢問完畢委員何清淳王美惠游浩徐欣穎"},{"start":12379.017,"end":12393.05,"text":"所提書面質詢列入記錄並刊登公報委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分請交通部及相關機關盡速以書面答覆"},{"start":12398.428,"end":12419.357,"text":"針對討論事項發展大眾運輸條例修正草案等兩案作以下決議均另定期繼續審查專案報告及審查發展大眾運輸條例之相關機關可先行離席現在休息五分鐘之後繼續開會"},{"start":12428.854,"end":12434.656,"text":"我都沒意見,沒人敢問,我現在就開始了,沒時間了,我先講完。"},{"start":12454.889,"end":12476.544,"text":"噗噗噗"},{"start":12479.701,"end":12503.08,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":12528.758,"end":12533.2,"text":"可以摘到1.5吋這應該不是在裏面不會太低你只要2.5吋對,2.5吋"},{"start":12539.497,"end":12568.763,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":12570.687,"end":12572.627,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":12591.376,"end":12595.498,"text":"好好好"},{"start":12611.337,"end":12632.81,"text":"要三個才能審三個才能審一下有夠了嗎有"},{"start":12643.265,"end":12644.406,"text":"有遇到他"},{"start":12665.623,"end":12671.571,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":12696.823,"end":12703.699,"text":"好我們接著要進行三港法修正草案之主條審查請宣讀條文宣讀完進行協商處理來宣讀條文"},{"start":12704.77,"end":12705.21,"text":"好 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經常會有兩輪的困難"},{"start":2754.281,"end":2774.329,"text":"所以我是建議是不是在說明或是用附帶決議的部分還是請我們把20%當作一個主要的目標但是法條上維持10%之死這樣的話其實讓在行政單位尤其是地方政府來講會比較有彈性會比較有彈性就是地方政府會斟酌他生死的狀況來做一個處理是不是用這樣的方式認證部說明這李副委員"},{"start":2782.672,"end":2807.878,"text":"我綜合一下 其實大家都希望婚姻宅的比例真的是要高一點但如果說真的入法有入法至少10%那目標20%用附帶決議的方式來寫進去我覺得會比較妥適一點不會造成說你真的訂到20%有一些城鄉它是沒有辦法達到的這個法律反而奇怪 謝謝先給徐議政委員"},{"start":2811.247,"end":2823.019,"text":"我想請教一下那個署長因為當時你們的宣傳是用20%那現在希望是10%是怕沒有辦法達到那我想知道說當時宣傳訂定20%的理由是什麼"},{"start":2825.576,"end":2848.436,"text":"說明一下 因為報告 因為當時我們現在我想說 因為我們都是同樣的您在講完了以後 您再一併回答好了我想這個 我們今天這等於是第二次 第二輪的審查那其實剛剛這個題目在上一次的審查的一開始幾乎是一模一樣的事情那所以我們現在算是一個 再倒帶一下"},{"start":2848.996,"end":2870.524,"text":"那我也重複一下我也是支持婚育仔比例要提高但經過上次一輪的討論之後我可以接受目前現在部內提出的文字建議版本也就是用至少10那我接受的理由是一我也認為要加一個附帶決議把不分黨派共同的意志"},{"start":2871.204,"end":2898.518,"text":"希望那要能夠再更明確的用文字化表列出來同時有機會可以糟糕社會也給內政部一個這個前進的壓力和方向所以我也認為接受現在不滿的願不滿建議的文字加附帶決議這個我可以接受那可以接受理由就是因為上一次內政部國土署這邊也有說所謂政策的20%"},{"start":2900.879,"end":2918.807,"text":"其實在現在我們剛剛託到的這個接受的版本當中就等於是至少10%再加上因為一般戶裡面它也等於是抽籤抽完了以後所以加起來的總總值是有超過20%的甚至是有更高的比例的基於現在這樣的事實"},{"start":2919.767,"end":2931.267,"text":"以及未來執行上的難易程度所以我們才會接受剛剛說的版本那以上我再次表達我的立場那也希望等一下大家有機會就是朝這樣做 謝謝"},{"start":2934.518,"end":2954.26,"text":"吳啟明委員我的看法跟石橋會管理博弈大致都相同增加了10%還有一個10%因為有渡位區跟我們的鄉村的比例那應該是這樣比較有彈性內政部也比較好處理這本席的看法"},{"start":2955.341,"end":2978.127,"text":"謝謝吳齊穆委員那這邊那我也是認為說可以用附帶決議的方式因為這個20%的目標當然還是針對有需要的地區啦就是一些精華都會集中區那我覺得這個文字上面用附帶決議是可以把這個目標放進去的"},{"start":2978.547,"end":3003.072,"text":"那另外一個部分是我們其實很多委員都有在就有提到那個身心障礙者未成年身心障礙家屬者這個好像我看你們的修正版本並沒有放進去那這部分可不可以喔喔是喔喔好不好意思那好那這個韓式的內容是會再讓我們知道嗎那還是說建議的文字可不可以先給我們對啊好謝謝"},{"start":3006.943,"end":3034.853,"text":"好 謝謝 我們請張志文委員發言好 謝謝趙偉 各位委員各位官員大家早安那因為我覺得這個婚育宅的部分大家都非常支持那剛剛內政部國土部這邊已經提出來說這個覺得20%稍微高一點那當然現在這個國土部署的建議是要說是至少10%那如果是這樣子的話是不是可以照我們上次討論的部分如果用一個區間"},{"start":3036.694,"end":3050.339,"text":"10到20%那這樣子的話就可以把城鄉之間的差距統統包含進來那今天討論的速度可能是不是也會稍微快一點好不好 以上謝謝好 謝謝鄭志文委員來 召委召委 在這裡我要跟署長說的就是說署長在這幾天的時候你不是要去溝通有問題在這裡的條款"},{"start":3065.285,"end":3068.068,"text":"在這方面 我覺得分析時 當然如果大多數可能會報告如果南部 說實在的"},{"start":3079.181,"end":3085.443,"text":"有嘛 現在你們擔心的就是說如果體衛生規定20%下去的時候你就一定要做到20%啦是附帶決議裡面的事情說我們的努力要達到20%才有像你們以前所說的政策啦當然我覺得每一代都希望說"},{"start":3103.869,"end":3130.146,"text":"你們會看到口號出來其實有的用啦不是要看口號的要看發洩的這樣就沒有讓年輕人跟這裡的年輩有身心障礙都可以使用到這裡的住宅法我們修改才有意義啦不然你們修修的覺得在南部的我覺得不需要限制的時候要做什麼"},{"start":3133.24,"end":3139.348,"text":"後來很多問題發生了希望我們署長正式去考慮一下好不好"},{"start":3149.483,"end":3166.409,"text":"各位我是覺得第四條其實大家都有這個共識只是說文字怎麼寫大家還是我個人我會覺得說如果以現在我們手上拿的內政部修正動議"},{"start":3168.07,"end":3188.199,"text":"我們如果把它那邊至少提供40%的這一個部分呢我們把它提高提高50%或是55%等等的然後把婚育家庭就包含在這裡面了你不要婚育家庭又另外10%"},{"start":3191.84,"end":3213.568,"text":"我是說把它內刮在裡面然後文字來修正這樣子可以解決我們要的目標然後各縣市也有彈性可以去處理有的比較偏鄉的可能就不需要這麼多不然你內政部現在是擔心有的偏鄉你的婚育宅會到時候租不出去沒有那麼多人"},{"start":3215.269,"end":3227.765,"text":"我的建議是這樣大家就文字跟那個比例大家來我們的及時廣義一下這樣就可以解決大家要的目標然後各縣市也有彈性我覺得這樣子是會比較好"},{"start":3235.234,"end":3259.659,"text":"那個我補充一下那個在你們送出來這第四條的修正條文的第三項育有未成年子女第三款這個未有育成未成年子女兩人以上這個部分是這一次修改的沒文一台車沒修改嘛那這個問題你們是不是也來一起來說明一下那原條文原條文這部文你都沒修改就對了你沒要修改這條那是原條文原條文"},{"start":3268.217,"end":3285.592,"text":"跟各位委員報告就是我們設宅基本上在住宅法裡面明定設宅是希望針對所有的住宅使用者所以如果我們要特別把某些單項把它列出來的時候我們其實要去考慮各地方在執行上面的困境"},{"start":3286.312,"end":3302.17,"text":"那比方說很多偏鄉地區或者是比方說東部或者是馬祖金門的縣市他們比較期待的是說我們在蓋社宅的時候是提供給年輕的公務同仁所以如果我們直接把比例定明白就說比方說婚育宅20%"},{"start":3303.271,"end":3331.983,"text":"那他們就會面臨一個困境就是說比較年輕的公務同仁他就很難住進去這些社宅這個是我們目前在執行上最大的壓力也就是說我們的社宅在興建的時候其實除了我們要保障弱勢者之外我們其實還要保障的是真正有工作需求的年輕人那這是我們當初社宅的目的那這些工作的年輕人特別是這幾年那個偏鄉地區他的工作就是說年輕公務同仁願意投入"},{"start":3333.044,"end":3351.337,"text":"尤其是年輕老師願意投入的比例也都在下降所以提供他們一個好的穩定的居住空間其實是一個很高的誘因這也是為什麼馬祖跟金門政府金門縣政府他們很支持我們蓋社宅因為這個對他們來講就是誘因那我們在屏東嘉義這些地方我們也發現就是說"},{"start":3352.538,"end":3375.632,"text":"這些偏鄉地區的老師如果可以給他們一定的社宅比方說包租單位或其他的一些社宅他們其實就願意投入進去的比例也會拉高所以我們這邊是懇請委員可以考量一下就是說我們那個比例不要寫得太高或太實這樣子我們讓各縣市政府它在執行上有一定的彈性"},{"start":3376.753,"end":3398.686,"text":"因為大台北地區還包括桃園市其實的確他的年輕人對於整個的婚姻宅的需求是很高的這我們不否認那我們把那個彈性比例拉高其實也可以讓婚姻宅就不會只是限制在10% 20%而是如果他有必要他也可以調到30%因為這是授權地方政府所以至少10%那他在那個比例裡面去調整"},{"start":3399.807,"end":3407.663,"text":"這樣子會讓這個各縣市政府它在執行上會比較有一些彈性這部分也跟各位委員做報告那署長"},{"start":3411.162,"end":3434.624,"text":"簡單說明就是說其實到了大概越往南部或是越往離島大概婚姻家庭的比例會越低而且會低比較多這是第一個如果把它併進去的話併到原來的族群其實它會被其他就會稀釋掉它反而會更吃虧即使你提高到最後是提高到其他的部分"},{"start":3435.405,"end":3457.23,"text":"所以當時會建議把他拉出來也是因為基於要照顧然後第二個就是說讓他所以至少10%就是給地方一個彈性他在調查過程當中可以可以大概去彈性處理依照當地的狀況去彈性處理所以我才會還是會建議說希望照我們內政部這個版本可能會比較好但是附帶決議我想20%"},{"start":3458.45,"end":3475.533,"text":"我們都有在努力因為因為像現在20%的話像現在20%台北台北新北都是超過20%那你如果到中南部我相信10%的話他們是會超過10%他們是一定會超過10%但是你如果把他寫20%他還真的不一定"},{"start":3476.053,"end":3492.767,"text":"那這樣的話有時候會給地方政府他還要處理第二輪這樣的話反而會更辛苦一點會比較辛苦所以我才會建議說考慮通盤性的話還是10%比較有彈性對地方政府也比較有彈性不要造成相互間太大的壓力"},{"start":3494.108,"end":3494.348,"text":"黃教委"},{"start":3517.102,"end":3537.88,"text":"好 謝謝召委 次長 署長 各位委員我是提案委員之一那這個第四條我本來比較激進一點我提的是50%為有未滿12歲的家庭因為為什麼要講這件事情我還是要強調剛剛大家有個共識說因為本來這個所謂的婚育宅的概念衛生聯盟你本來把它放在弱勢的保障裡面嘛"},{"start":3538.32,"end":3565.578,"text":"那我們今天把它拉出來就是今天為什麼要拉出來目的當初也講了最主要是要解決現在我們希望能夠解決所謂少子化的問題因為現在就是買得起房子可能養不起孩子養了孩子就買不起房子大概現在的社會有這個狀況所以我們才去提說把這個婚育宅的概念把它拉出來另外去算那今天我還是要講你們內政部已經強調說有婚育宅那如果在社宅的整個法律裡面你們只保障10%我覺得這個"},{"start":3568.46,"end":3592.663,"text":"至少對啊那如果是至少百分之十我說為什麼不能提供到我希望說提供到至少百分之二十如果你們今天要有人提百分之二十那個是保障這是一個門檻而已嘛就是對於很競爭的地方我提供百分之二十但是當然如果你說有些地方比如說你說你剛剛提到說蘇南提到說偏鄉或者是可能越往一些其他城市沒有這麼多婚姻人口的時候那當然這個名額他當然還是會釋出啊"},{"start":3593.524,"end":3622.075,"text":"但我今天講的是說我想要保障說那至少在都會區或房價比較高的地方有足夠的婚姻宅的保障讓這些來這邊工作的人他才有機會在這邊安身立命那如果你只有我還是覺得百分之十的太少了啦如果只有百分之十的話其實我反而覺得有點違背你們當初這個婚姻宅的本意所以我覺得至少還是要我不要堅持百分之五十啦但是百分之二十應該還可以吧以上 謝謝"},{"start":3624.397,"end":3643.892,"text":"那個本席這邊來補充就是我剛才提到那個第二項第三款那個未成年子女兩人以上這部分其實有一些委員也有意見就是說是不是要按兩個一雙是不是要將這兩人以上這個字眼來刪除這個部分是不是那個書裡面 部裡面這邊當時會定這個兩個一雙的觀點說明一下因為它是當時是被認定是在屬於比較經濟或社會弱勢"},{"start":3651.838,"end":3671.436,"text":"所以才是育兒衛生宅那你今天如果是把它拿掉的話它就是標準的婚姻宅所以但是我們現在是建議把婚姻宅拉出來把它拉出來是這個概念但是你育兒衛生宅兩年以上其實相對來講在婚姻宅裡面它算是罕見比較少見的"},{"start":3672.765,"end":3690.442,"text":"所以當時我們再把它區隔開來啦就給他相對給育有衛生的兩人以上的話那他其實就是再更對他來講更優待一點他就變成三支籤的概念好 這樣說明了解所以他是對他更好啦徐卿委員"},{"start":3694.062,"end":3716.935,"text":"因為你這個是寫說前向經濟或社會弱勢者身分然後當然講家庭總收入怎麼樣符合下列規定之一所以本席有提案就是說你第三個育有未成年子女二人以上你就是要兩人以上那我們是希望只要育有未成年子女一人以上就是說你為什麼要兩人以上"},{"start":3724.58,"end":3749.822,"text":"對啊 因為兩人以上其實就是在比例上他是最低的啦他是比例是最低所以他是把他認定他是在弱勢家庭裡面他是弱勢家庭裡面那但是婚禦宅對 但是他同時放到婚禦家庭他也可以放到 他也可以對 他在講他就多一支籤他又多了一個機會出來他以後就有三支籤"},{"start":3752.617,"end":3759.967,"text":"他是弱勢一支籤對一般的也有一支婚禦仔也有一支這個也有一支他就變三支籤對對對"},{"start":3767.086,"end":3791.043,"text":"我再問一下我剛講的意思就是說20%的數字保留因為我們要有夠強的鼓勵性質嘛你這個修法才有意義嘛但是申請時婚姻家庭數量未達保留比率者就是沒有到20%報名的沒有到20%你就釋出嘛這樣不就好了嗎對不對如果這是OK的我們就這樣好不好"},{"start":3794.235,"end":3815.01,"text":"對啊你就因為你剛剛講比如說你舉連江也好台東也好那一個就是明顯登記的就沒有到20%嘛然後你就會出現困擾嘛那登記時如果申請時登記時沒有到20%你就釋出啊這樣就好啦這樣我是不是在都會區我都可以碰到20%的門檻然後其他的地方沒有的我也可以釋出這樣是不是OK你都OK那就這樣子好不好"},{"start":3820.225,"end":3847.279,"text":"這就是我們在講就是實務你在作業上的時候你會變成要重複公告你就變成要重複公告所以因為我們每辦一次就要對外公告一次對所以我才會說這樣子他會一直在重複公告對而且變成說對他變成在重複公告因為你不到的時候我就得重新公告所以你變成說對地方政府來講他變成在重複在做這件事"},{"start":3851.081,"end":3879.315,"text":"第二個喔第二個就變成說你釋出這個名額你要歸到哪一邊要歸 歸到一般戶吧當然是歸到一般戶啊所以我才會跟 對啊不一定會全部的一般戶所以我才會說我都會建議是說因為我們真的在作業的時候底下各自都有一個作業辦法先生也會有一個作業辦法我們本來是說有一個彈性讓地方在作業辦法的時候比較好調整啦"},{"start":3880.117,"end":3906.951,"text":"讓他比較好調整第二個對他們來講本來就是多一支籤的概念對婚姻家園本來就是多一支籤的概念那我是建議就是說你保留這樣讓他在地方作業的時候自動就會讓他有兩支籤而不是變成你還要再重複公告因為重複公告就會像剛剛所講民眾會覺得你沒事為什麼要尤其已經幾乎保障名額你又要再辦一次重新公告我又要再等所以我才會說實務作業上是這個問題"},{"start":3910.653,"end":3913.374,"text":"這個部分我還是要講一下一個大原則就是說講現實面啦就是因為都會去房價比較高嘛所以才有這個問題嘛"},{"start":3932.202,"end":3951.992,"text":"那其他如果房價沒這麼高的地區可能一般戶不管婚姻宅或是弱勢或是一般戶他可能市面上租的房子也都還合理但今天就是因為都會區很難處理這個房價問題所以我才想說這個婚姻宅這個婚姻宅這個概念的部分把它保障的比例拉到這層次那就像剛剛劉雪婷所說如果"},{"start":3953.012,"end":3972.084,"text":"你第一次就是你你在其他地方如果沒有達到20%那當然是直接釋出那當然釋出之後要歸在哪一個問題要歸在哪一個項目那個我覺得大家可以在後續細節你們地方政府可以來決定但是我覺得在都會區的部分我覺得現在最麻煩就是房價太高了所以我們今天才有這個問題為什麼提這條就是為保障為解決這個問題因為實務上現在你把那個"},{"start":3976.107,"end":3991.616,"text":"所謂未成年子女兩人你現在現行條例現行條例是放在百分之四十裡面去保障但實際上就還是很多人根本有小朋友的雖然又有兩個他也沒辦法抽到所以才有這個現實才有這個問題所以我們才希望說把他第一個把他拉出來"},{"start":3992.642,"end":4017.415,"text":"感謝內政部你把他拉出來了但拉出來之後到底多少比例合理我當然我本來很激進但我是大家可以討論只是說那10%真的太少了吧我跟委員報告不好意思我跟委員報告就是說我們現在我們明定40%的弱勢其實大概重簽率弱勢重簽率已經超過40%了大概達到46%甚至接近50%"},{"start":4019.017,"end":4033.327,"text":"我們再提供10%到20%的青年住宅等於我們就將近70%的房子70%的社宅是由這一些特定戶拿走你真正要照顧的那些年輕人只剩下30%這個壓力就會很大"},{"start":4037.56,"end":4054.064,"text":"沒有你40%但是他的弱勢戶都會超過40%將近50然後你在明定20的那個加起來就是將近70了你就剩下因為我們現行的實際上在執行的狀況就是40%的弱勢戶我們已經有將近46%的弱勢戶在實際上在那個"},{"start":4065.946,"end":4081.446,"text":"我想我們最主要是要照顧全體的社會住宅的需求者社會住宅需求者包括年輕人包括弱勢者這些都是我們要照顧的我們把比例拉高了一般戶的狀況就是壓縮的很低"},{"start":4105.973,"end":4113.616,"text":"那個那個不然這樣啦齁 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吳志昌我給你回應一下因為我們本來本來是像像他講的這樣其實我們是放在附帶決議也就是說20%相對20%是一個原則是一個原則"},{"start":4352.958,"end":4381.368,"text":"那並視各直轄縣市政府的需求彈性調整本來是想是寫這樣後來覺得這樣比較容易執行因為如果真實要把二十八方我是建議它是一個原則性就好了它不是一個唯一性因為即使在直轄市裡面也有一些比較偏僻的地方人口數不多的比如說我們台中的清水"},{"start":4382.208,"end":4411.259,"text":"那或者是到了這個新北比較外圍比如說未來瑞芳也是不是要考慮瑞芳只有3萬多人口可是他也是喊著有社宅需要我真的弄到那邊的時候我還能不能確定有那樣的需求但是我是建議說20%是一個原則是大家比較好做事你如果是真的要堅持20%我是建議20%就是一個原則不要寫成一個明定的條文看是大家會不會覺得會比較好處理"},{"start":4417.107,"end":4438.732,"text":"不是 原來是胖胖不愛決議就是把它寫是20%是一個婚姻家庭的原則啦看看大家會不會覺得這樣會比較好處理因為即使我到像台中我也做到清水去了清水的人口也不多但是因為當時也覺得清水在海線還是要有保留一個地方讓它可以有機會"},{"start":4443.651,"end":4449.095,"text":"用20%為原則來啦來啦這樣子啦"},{"start":4472.592,"end":4479.837,"text":"來我們現在看到那個第四條跟第四條之一其實問題都差不多博弈的本也是一樣因為這本看是用負債決議還是怎樣方式我們等一下來討論等一下來討論你的失職業部分是不是用負債決議方式你要發生要保留這樣"},{"start":4495.969,"end":4509.658,"text":"OK好好那這樣子這樣子第4條第4條之一都保留我們繼續到第10條好不好好來我們接下來列示之一列示之一也保留第10條第10條沒有他就說保留在委員會內就是下次還可以討論立法技術上可以這樣子OK"},{"start":4525.793,"end":4552.315,"text":"對 對 就脫鉤了解 好啦 這樣好這樣好 來 第十條第十條部分來好 十條 文學庭委員謝謝召委這個租金的補貼的透明化嘛 實價登錄我是覺得這個東西內政部要不要思考一下我們討論一個日出條款的時間啦但我是覺得這事還是要做嘛遲早要做的事嘛"},{"start":4553.103,"end":4569.354,"text":"那當然嘛因為我一直在想這件事情租金的這個實價登錄也好租金市場的透明化也好當然有兩條路徑可以走一個是寫在住宅法裡面一個是寫在租金專法裡面這個我可以聽我這個人心態倒是比較開放我可以聽意見但是問題是我不能接受"},{"start":4570.194,"end":4597.635,"text":"空轉我們從提租賃專法其實第一會期的時候就已經審了現在都還在等黨團協商就是因為覺得說我願意給行政部門一些時間所以沒有急著去做處理但是到現在還有未來你的藍圖要非常的清楚然後這個範圍要逐步的擴大細節要越來越增加只有你有辦法完全做到這件事情我才有機會說我討論別的修法方式要不然我這一條我就要堅持了好不好給你們一點時間說明好 來 李副委員"},{"start":4601.206,"end":4627.811,"text":"我來支持一下牛許廷委員這一條利益良善但是我們還是要考慮這個租屋市場的穩定那我也同意你剛剛講的日出條款那什麼時候要實施但是我到現在還是不知道量要怎麼樣可以很穩定的說比如說我們現在訂117年還是訂116年那這樣到時候是不是夠穩定量體是不是夠大這個值得來討論一下謝謝"},{"start":4632.272,"end":4634.538,"text":"沒有問其他意見市長來說明"},{"start":4638.362,"end":4664.733,"text":"那個跟各位委員報告原則上那個住宅市場透明化本來部長也就是積極在做從上任之後我們就明確在公佈我們每一年公佈兩次那各位委員都看到而且我們每一次公佈都會把資料再做更細緻的那個公佈因為很多資料我們就是說相關的統計我們必須要不斷的在區分而且我們要改變我們的登記制度因為租金補貼我們基本上還是以租金補貼作為大宗的資料來源那"},{"start":4666.013,"end":4691.132,"text":"很多資料的登錄我們就必須也要跟我們的租戶開始有一些互動讓他們把資料填得更細緻但是也要有一部分要跟各位報告就是說我們當我們做實價登錄的時候有些資料太細但是租戶本身沒有辦法有那麼明確資料的時候就會涉及登載不實這個會有一些問題比方說它的評數因為一般人沒有辦法估自己加多少評數我們大部分都是別人告訴我們實際評數多少這樣子"},{"start":4693.314,"end":4713.943,"text":"那大部分的人是沒有辦法明確知道他自己實際評數所以他在登載的時候如果資料有所錯誤這會造成我們在統計上還有相關資料公佈上的一些錯誤所以也會造成租屋市場上面的一些不穩定所以我們會遵照委員的建議我們就是逐步逐步的落實整個資訊透明"},{"start":4715.203,"end":4732.146,"text":"但是這個資訊透明的過程裡面我們會有一些保留是因為我們在這個過程裡面有些資訊它有涉及到承租戶本身還有房東本身對他自己住宅空間他的那個評估數不一定那麼清楚那我請我們市長再做進一步補充"},{"start":4733.347,"end":4760.632,"text":"跟委員報告一下如果把實價登錄的資料直接轉進去把租補的資料直接轉為實價登錄資料大概會有幾個問題第一個就房東醫院我們先不談這個部分那第二個我們現在在做租補的時候為了讓房客好申請那大概資料都非常簡單就只有一個租期租金然後還有一個試樣而已那其實這個資料的部分如果一旦出去直接轉實價登錄出去可能第一個會有遇到不實跟房客被採發的問題"},{"start":4761.932,"end":4784.411,"text":"因為到底實際的面積是怎麼樣的情況可能房客也不是那麼清楚那第二個部分的話有關於租金的部分其實會涉及到它的設備是怎麼樣那會決定它的租金的價格那你只是單純有一個租期然後跟一個物件的資料那裡面詳細資料都沒有的話那其實在外面引用在引用上面其實也會發生問題"},{"start":4785.672,"end":4806.668,"text":"所以那個部分我們是建議在現在的話是先不要修那我們這一個部分的話再回去評估一下看是附帶決議我們回去再研議一下因為如果一旦要做實價登錄當然必要有相關的一個資料量那那個對於那個珠寶的一個房客的一個民眾的一個衝擊性那個可能要先做一個評估以上報告"},{"start":4809.659,"end":4829.052,"text":"那個市長要補充嗎原則上我們就是會有我們已經理了一個相對案我們會在另外一條做一些說明"},{"start":4833.756,"end":4859.153,"text":"我覺得第十條牛許廷委員他後面加的這些我認為也不是不好可是我必須要講我們如果把你這些都寫下去我們這個住宅法你又會變成好像作用法的那個在裡面那我的建議是不是"},{"start":4861.239,"end":4876.374,"text":"你這裡面我們你把這個牛許廷委員他裡面要求要做的這一些我不認為不好那把它放在立法說明要求他們這樣子做不然我會覺得這個法令會變成作用法"},{"start":4877.625,"end":4900.594,"text":"你會變成一個作用法這樣對我們的立法品質我覺得你這裡面的所有的都不是原則的精神都是該怎麼做 這是作用法那我們如果修了這樣變成作用法我比較擔心但劉許廷委員他裡面的這一些我還是覺得可以做所以你把他放"},{"start":4902.016,"end":4920.372,"text":"對啦 我支持你啊所以 但我覺得法條我們不應該把它放在這個母法裡面啦我們是不是看內政部你們怎麼解決這一個我們放在立法說明或什麼的我覺得這些是該做也可以做的啦能不能再補充"},{"start":4926.383,"end":4942.97,"text":"好 謝謝趙薇不過就本席的了解住宅法應該是作用法吧如果看其他的條文應該很多都是談要怎麼去做這個事嘛那現在關鍵是這樣嘛我剛有問一個問題嘛就是說你能不能透過租賃專法的方式解決這個事但我後來剛剛查了一下我們整個租金補貼的政策它是寫在住宅法裡面的嘛"},{"start":4943.69,"end":4965.143,"text":"所以現在看起來要重新處理好像也不太容易對不對那就非得要面對這件事不可了嘛那另外一個問題是我們剛剛討論都沒有回答到了嘛就包含剛剛幾位委員都講方向上是正確的但可以思考日出條款是什麼時候嘛或者是我們在什麼時候要做到什麼樣的事情逐步達成透明化這件事嘛這是我比較希望可以聽到行政機關表達意見的地方謝謝"},{"start":4971.714,"end":4991.603,"text":"跟各位委員報告我們原則上當然還是租金透明化是我們的方向我們會建議說因為剛才洪路委員已經提出就是說盡量不要再使用作用法的那種方式造成行政機關在執行上面的所以我們會希望說如果可以的話是不是我們修第47條"},{"start":4993.124,"end":5016.93,"text":"那第四條透過那個資料分析什麼我們把它就是逐步逐步的建制化完成整個的那個資訊的透明化這樣子也就是我們利用統計資訊等等我們把它做一個比較完整的資料的公佈那其實也是逐步達成我們就是牛委員跟各位委員所主張的我們本來就應該要做足經的公開化透明化但是我們透過一個漸進的方式來達成這樣子第47條"},{"start":5030.814,"end":5053.647,"text":"我請市長說明一下47條的部分就是我們現在的話就是運用珠寶的資料來做一個統計的分析那這個也可以解決掉說第一個我們如果在第10條訂定的話那房客必須要填非常多的資料那更衍生了一些可能錯誤的情況那運用這個資料用統計的方式其實讓大家來參考也是一個比較好的一個途徑這樣"},{"start":5054.608,"end":5060.071,"text":"好那我們第4條先保留先保留我們接下我現在審好那接下來第18條"},{"start":5080.543,"end":5083.704,"text":"第18條第18那個署長說明一下 上次討論之後說明一下"},{"start":5108.64,"end":5118.286,"text":"因為第18條上次大概有報告過啦就是說原來提案的想法是說讓全台灣的民眾都去填但是我們就實務上來講實務上來講其實他"},{"start":5122.177,"end":5149.869,"text":"最大的可能就造成大家都去填變成我們的社宅需求會是爆量因為我一個人是可以填很多縣市的是可以填很多縣市的那會變成造成你你那個需求反而看不準因為大家都去填的時候就好像一個許願池我希望在台北也有我希望在新北也有我希望在桃園也有我希望在基隆也有因為每個人他會對他未來的動向不是那麼明確的時候他是有可能這樣填"},{"start":5150.589,"end":5174.449,"text":"你這樣反而會看不清楚真實的需求那所以我們的建議是第18條的部分我們要寫的說是主管機關是評估實際需求的時候來設置也就是說我興辦 等我在興辦計畫的時候我是需求來去做調查 去做需求平台這樣會比較真實 對於需求者來講 他看得到那個位置在哪裡"},{"start":5175.97,"end":5201.065,"text":"也就是說我們現在的作業是完工了才開始去辦登記平台但是我把它提早你在辦這個計畫的時候你就開始去做調查你在辦這個案子的時候你就去做需求調查那這樣會比較真實這樣會比較貼近真實而不是說讓民眾一直去填去填那個時候那個數量暴增你反而看不清楚是要用這樣的概念"},{"start":5204.176,"end":5228.817,"text":"市長要補充嗎市長 處長不好意思我外委會 但是我對這一條我有一個我想要了解一件事情就是那現在內政部或是各地方政府內政部好了就是你們在評估各地哪裡要蓋社宅的時候的評估的條件是什麼因為其實我們當初在修這個第18條的目的也是希望說有一個比較明顯的趨勢跟方向"},{"start":5230.239,"end":5251.641,"text":"來選定說哪裡該蓋哪裡不該蓋因為就像你剛剛提就剛剛我們第四條討論的問題一樣嘛我們剛剛地產部那邊講說到底幾%放多少什麼族群上放在第幾放在多少比例問題是因為我不知道我們沒有個概念說哪裡有哪些需求所以我不知道這邊要不要蓋那邊要不要蓋所以那時候18條定的18條的目的也是希望說讓內政部或各地方政府能夠明確的"},{"start":5252.822,"end":5269.544,"text":"至少掌握趨勢比如說台北市什麼地方台中是什麼地方這邊突然有可能有工業區的發展或有什麼樣需求或是像竹北市等等的因為竹克的關係所以周邊的幾個鄉鎮有這樣的人口成長有這樣的需求所以去我們的錢才去什麼地方去蓋"},{"start":5270.345,"end":5296.506,"text":"那因為現在如果是由內政部來決定說我先蓋了然後再來看需求我怕資源會浪費我擔心的是這個事情我們擔心這個所以才有這18條的這個問題所以如果內政部能夠解決說資源的分配不要浪費然後你們能夠提前掌握說什麼樣的地方該蓋什麼樣的色彩跟他的需求的話當然我覺得18條大家可以討論以上 謝謝是感謝委員謝謝還有沒有其他委員"},{"start":5298.311,"end":5302.054,"text":"我的想法也是這樣我們提這個需求平台其實就是先有需求你們才蓋而不是說你們提了這個哪邊要蓋之後再讓民眾來提我在這邊有沒有需求"},{"start":5322.367,"end":5329.293,"text":"我們一開始的目的就是希望給你們參考啊這樣到時候配合起來會比較供需才會平衡嘛對 然後我們當時上禮拜的討論的問題是說這個假性需求的問題你們如何去解決所以我比較想要知道的是你們針對假性需求有沒有比較建議的去做一定程度的篩選"},{"start":5344.167,"end":5361.934,"text":"那這個我們可以來討論但不會是說是你們先說好我們在這裡要蓋了那我們再來看這裡有多少人然後是怎麼樣的人的需求甚至是怎麼樣的房型什麼樣的家庭你們都沒有掌握那你們就決定在這邊要蓋所以再讓這些人來入住是這樣子嗎那個張志忠委員"},{"start":5367.321,"end":5384.202,"text":"好 謝謝主席那我也依循前面兩個委員的講法我覺得因為我們那個台灣內政部的社宅應該是有一個未來的整個推行的一個計畫所以還是我們還是有建議主管機關應該定期對於社宅的需求來去做"},{"start":5385.263,"end":5412.476,"text":"諮詢然後定期做成報告然後對社會住宿宅的需求調查供給區位新辦戶數房型配比及公共設施等相關資訊應該徵詢周邊民眾意見然後並公開讓民眾來知道讓很多的民意代表附近的很多的民眾可以知道說未來這些的社宅是要做什麼東西坪數規劃是什麼我覺得這蠻重要的就依照這個內政部他們你們整體的一個規劃謝謝"},{"start":5414.817,"end":5441.614,"text":"好 謝謝就是定期啦 要定期公佈啦 謝謝來 請劉雪婷委員再補充就大家都會講假性需求的問題但假性需求難道不是一個假設性的問題嗎就是很多人有可能因為有許願詞所以大家就亂填一通嘛其實國土署講的大白話就是這樣擔心的是是這樣你擔心是有道理的 沒有問題但我覺得這次也不盡然一定會發生嘛那我的意思是講無論如何你一定要有登記序的登記平台你才有機會走向輪候制嘛"},{"start":5442.234,"end":5468.97,"text":"這是今天大家去提這一條最重要的目的那我想大家也不會反對未來是要走向輪候制的因為你永遠都抽錢大家都在那個運氣裡面那個終究不是個辦法那只是一個過度的機制而已所以你一定要走向輪候制嘛所以一定要有登記平台那也許真的會出現部分的人亂登記一通出現所謂的假興趣你也要掌握不是嗎那這個東西如果很多嚴重影響的時候大家再來做機制規則的檢討跟修正如果他狀況不多那不就是大家"},{"start":5469.75,"end":5490.298,"text":"多慮了嘛對不對所以我覺得這個理由不構成說大家不去建置這個需求登記平台的原因啦我覺得是這樣啦所以這一條我們是比較堅持啦好不好謝謝來 署長來說明我說明一下就是說我們的修正條件裡面是有我們是有提一個修正動議啦那其實沒有 我也說明一下"},{"start":5495.591,"end":5516.723,"text":"我也說清楚一下就是說我們其實第一個你會看18條第一段我們是評估社宅的需求總量其實那時候已經統計過一次了我們是統計過一次了我們是用比較大量的數據在做統計那統計以後因為你最終還要落入到區位很多民眾在選的時候區位其實是很重要"},{"start":5517.97,"end":5544.039,"text":"區域區域是很重要但是你不去填你一開始需求我是有一個去估計的方式才去算才會知道說我要在哪個行政區裡面去蓋我們大致上第一輪一定是做這樣的一個需求但是今天如果在這個事情沒有做我們去直接去丟一個需求平台的時候你會發現兩個是打架的你會發現兩個是打架的"},{"start":5547.987,"end":5569.933,"text":"也就是說你會看到色彩需求平台那個數字是非常大跟你真實用數據評估出來的時候會差距很大那這個時候就是實務上那你要根據需求平台譬如說我在某個區我算出來大概是500戶結果你登記需求平台填了1000多2000那是要去蓋1000 2000那你不去蓋又會變成你忽視民眾的需求"},{"start":5577.403,"end":5593.962,"text":"又會出現這樣的一個問題所以我才會說是說為什麼會是逐段我先從總數上去一步一步往下推會多出一個比較清楚的量那這樣的話去填讓他再去填的時候會比較精準當然今天如果社宅能夠遍地開花到處蓋其實"},{"start":5596.504,"end":5621.14,"text":"那個他去填需求平台我覺得大概都不會是太大的問題現在就是因為量不是非常夠所以我們才會用這樣評估的方式一段一段往下去希望能夠落出來的是比較精準落入到他們的需求的位置是用這樣的概念所以我們也是說我不知道完工才去登記才去讓你做需求平台而是在你準備要蓋這一個社宅的時候你就趕快"},{"start":5621.98,"end":5638.863,"text":"對外公佈然後對外去設這個需求平台讓民眾去填那這樣他在辦這個計畫的時候辦這個涉宰性犯案計畫的時候還可以比較清楚來我這邊填的是什麼樣的人比較多或許我在相關的房型的設定數量我就可以趕快做一個修正"},{"start":5639.824,"end":5658.961,"text":"可是你一開始舔的時候因為舔的人他不是說他一定是假性需求而是他舔的時候我在做一個全國性計畫的時候你舔一個小片他舔的時候或許他是四年後六年後的需求可是跟你現在手頭有的不一定對得起來可是你要不要當他是需求你還是要當他是需求"},{"start":5661.704,"end":5673.838,"text":"你還是得當他是需求這就是我們講時間差的問題我們很多事情都落在時間你去舔的時候或許就像我講他現在在台中念書可是四年後他是要回台北的"},{"start":5681.052,"end":5709.161,"text":"沒有 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我提早知道了"},{"start":6061.021,"end":6080.657,"text":"但是有可能到時候四年後你個人的家庭因素 經濟因素個人的因素你又不要了那可能到時候是大家給就是說還要再處理一遍就對了所以現在只是說把這個所謂的抽籤登記平台往前提變成需求登記平台"},{"start":6081.778,"end":6110.332,"text":"是用這樣的概念 但是今天如果說要做一個全國的登記平台我現在說要全國的登記平台的時候那事情就很大 為什麼 因為現在的北北桃北北是可以允許重復填的是可以重復填的所以我們沒有辦法阻止他重復填我們是不能阻止他重復填 因為現在現行的北北就有北桃也有 新北跟桃園也有復填的那也就是我們其實是不能擋他復填"},{"start":6111.994,"end":6140.496,"text":"也就是說它重複出現兩次甚至出現三次我們都不能擋所以我才會說比較擔心是你一旦變全國大陸來登記的時候也沒有 因為它是不限的因為譬如說我台北有好幾個社宅它是可以同時填是可以啊 但是標示你也不能擋它"},{"start":6142.629,"end":6165.167,"text":"對 你也不能擋 這樣只是變成說到時候那個總需求量會變成地方政府會看不清楚我到底這裡要蓋幾個 到底要蓋幾個 他也不知道他也不知道他要蓋多少所以當你今天需求平台是要 我說明一下當你需求平台變成是你政府要興建數量的時候那就是一個困擾"},{"start":6166.587,"end":6173.374,"text":"那就是也困難 會不會變成反而讓政府看不清楚你真正需求的數量跟位置 看不出來是這個意思請問署長 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那個也怕 但是你沒有給他誘因你有誘因就不會怕 對不對所以我們就要求的是這樣子嘛以上好 來 謝謝這條有其他意見19C"},{"start":7001.886,"end":7018.062,"text":"市長說明一下19條之一的第二款中央主管機關應與衛福部建立共同弱勢處遇協商機制這我是不是請衛福部代表表示一下意見我們是建議我們本來就在做這件事情"},{"start":7019.063,"end":7031.399,"text":"你法令上面這樣子寫會造成其實他本來是屬於衛福相關的規範那我們如果寫的話我們會造成說我們跟衛福部的權責上面會有混亂OK那衛福部"},{"start":7038.387,"end":7057.296,"text":"好 我也有報告陳儒剛剛次長的說明那我們看現在現行的住宅法其實第34條也有去規範主管機關或民間興辦的社會住宅應該考量這些居住對象的身心狀況家庭組成及其他必要的條件"},{"start":7058.096,"end":7074.567,"text":"提供適宜的設置設備或必要之社會福利服務所以就是現行法規其實我們都有協同內政部在做這個弱勢者的服務的這些機制的建立跟租屋的協助謝謝"},{"start":7088.656,"end":7109.227,"text":"第一段第一段的部分如果沒有意見我們就照修正座這樣通過了好不好OK恭喜第一條通過通過一條了好 接下來第二十條第二十 都沒有意見喔這樣就二十條"},{"start":7112.847,"end":7131.788,"text":"第二項第十九之一這部分台灣民眾黨版本裡面就是在第二段中央主管機關英語衛生福利部協同建立弱勢處理協助機制這部分跟其他法條說明到所以在十九之一這部分我們在第二段這邊給它刪除第二項的部分刪除"},{"start":7133.598,"end":7158.613,"text":"啊 內政部這邊有什麼意見 內政部這裡 內政部有沒有意見就叫我們修正圖內政部也沒問題啊你看內政部內政部剛剛可不可以啊對 內政部不是啦 我們現在就不用再講了啦照他們的文字這樣你們可不可以啦可以啦好啦好啦好啦"},{"start":7159.659,"end":7181.415,"text":"就第二項刪除第二項刪除啦對第二項刪除啦第二段刪除然後我們會見OK 那這個1911我們照民眾黨的那個版本後面第二段修正刪除之後通過啦待會我們在後面再做一次要請什麼要請什麼"},{"start":7193.007,"end":7206.854,"text":"來 接下來第20條第20條23 23嘛 你要不要一起 收住貸款一起處理來 23 23條收住貸款一起處理不是 他們這誰還要證 他們這誰還要證回啦19-1 23跟52嘛 對不對來 那23條"},{"start":7224.272,"end":7245.026,"text":"各位人好23條因為涉及到就是要提高免稅的額度當然這個部分我們也謝謝麥委員提出來報租代管的重視但是因為我們考慮的問題是說第一個就是目前房東的我們是覺得房東的租金收入的優惠跟房客租金支出的優惠應該要橫頻考慮"},{"start":7246.827,"end":7267.973,"text":"因為現在房客的話也是每年可以扣除的那個額度也是只有18萬元就是每個月就是差不多15000塊錢那經過我們去年113年度實施以後經過我們這一年申報的情況統計的資料來看其實房客他們申報的這個租金支出大概平均每戶大概是11萬元左右"},{"start":7268.473,"end":7294.662,"text":"那說實在就是說表示他們並沒有真正支出到那麼多的租金也就是在租金扣除上面我們現行的18萬是對他們是非常充裕可以使用的這是第一個問題我們是覺得說一個是房東他取得的收入應該跟支出面房客取得的租金支出應該要橫頻考慮那另外一個問題就是說因為我們在第15條裡面有個公益出租人"},{"start":7295.262,"end":7309.94,"text":"公益出租人其實跟我們這個社宅的這個包租代管其實他都是一樣都是基於公益他願意把他的房屋提供出來做出租使用那如果說第15條對於公益出租人我們現在是維持一萬五千元"},{"start":7310.481,"end":7330.681,"text":"那如果說在這個包租貸款這邊對於社宅的包租貸款業者出租就可以提高到三萬塊錢其實會產生一個不很平的現象那同樣在住宅法裡面我們是覺得今天你的房屋不管是公益出租人來出租或者是你是透過這個包租貸款業者來出租社會住宅"},{"start":7331.121,"end":7350.064,"text":"其實他們的優應該是採用一樣的優惠這樣子的話會比較很平那另外還有一個問題就是說因為我們這邊在把那個免稅額度提高的話會可能引起外界一個誤會因為大家都覺得說那你鼓勵房東可以提高他的租金的免稅額那是不是有一點"},{"start":7352.186,"end":7375,"text":"印象當中會讓這些房客會覺得說那房東是不是要開始提高租金了會有這樣一個比較誤解的謬思所以我們是覺得說基於以上的考慮因為剛好第15條當時在委員會有討論的時候已經有過一個附帶決議就是希望我們財政部跟內政部大家一起來共同研商看看就是整個租金市場的變化"},{"start":7376.141,"end":7382.887,"text":"然後適度的調整它的免稅額度那我們是建議可不可以把第15條的附帶決議跟第23條的附帶決議我們來並同來處理那我原來的條文只寫了原來附帶決議只寫了公益出租人"},{"start":7391.335,"end":7405.942,"text":"那我們這邊是建議說可以把這個就是房東願意把房屋提供住來做包租社會住宅包租代管的話這兩個的相關的免稅額度我們都可以並同檢討而且因為剛好我們現在跟內政部正在討論那個住宅專法 租賃專法"},{"start":7409.344,"end":7433.329,"text":"那租賃專法裡面呢其實內政部也跟財務部之間已經有一些初步的共識我們也願意就是對那個租賃專法裡面如果說是房東願意把他的房屋提供出來做出租代管使用包租代管使用的話也許在這個付稅上的優惠我們可以提供一些租稅上的優惠讓他有些誘因鼓勵他願意把他的房屋拿出來包租代管"},{"start":7433.789,"end":7450.622,"text":"所以我們是以上這樣的建議是不是可以讓15條跟23條因為剛好都是在住宅法裡面然後有一個比較橫頻的考慮然後一起做一個附帶決議這樣子我們可以就提供適當的誘因未來我們一定會跟內政部繼續討論以上是財政部的意見"},{"start":7462.384,"end":7462.404,"text":"請進委員"},{"start":7491.092,"end":7502.541,"text":"好 謝謝這第23條本席也有這個提案那本席的提案是將社會住宅包租方式的房東每月租金免稅額從1萬5提高到2.5萬"},{"start":7505.58,"end":7525.082,"text":"那我們免稅額調高是因應區域租金的差異並不是要服務高所得所以這個部分我們最主要提案將包租額度提高到2.5萬是為了鼓勵房東更願意釋出長期而且穩定的"},{"start":7526.684,"end":7553.522,"text":"房屋來源那降低管理的風險那我們也希望政府可以精算不同地區的租金分佈而不是以租稅公平為名行忽略區域差異的知識所以以上這一個部分因為我沒有看到今天內政部官方的版本希望是怎麼樣所以特別提出來詢問了解一下謝謝來 張公務員"},{"start":7557.584,"end":7580.75,"text":"其實這個我覺得如果照內政部的意思是先不要動因為他們可能簽一法動全身然後這個直接把稅率什麼寫在這邊可能對他們其他以後要財政部要做什麼都會立下一個這個他以後不知道怎麼做的一個標準"},{"start":7582.15,"end":7610.225,"text":"所以我覺得之前我們就附帶決議就有提一個附帶決議那我們是不是用附帶決議來處理然後裡面直接寫明了這個免稅額度 付稅優惠那應該要怎麼做我這邊有一個修正的這個再修正動議我這邊有是不是大家看一下還是我直接唸一下好不好"},{"start":7612.874,"end":7639.607,"text":"為鼓勵房東願意將閒置空屋釋出內政部應與財政部定期釋出市場行情滾動檢討免稅額度提供適度之付稅優惠以提升公益出租人及社會住宅包租代管業者出租房屋之誘因就是把它直接用附帶決議處理"},{"start":7642.74,"end":7654.986,"text":"好 謝謝張紅路委員的補充說明徐馨文本期要特別強調我們這個賦稅署強調了83%房東免繳稅但是忽視了雙北還有新竹等高房價地區的實際行情"},{"start":7666.581,"end":7686.174,"text":"那目前全國劃一的1.5萬元的免稅額呢對於租金高昂地區的房東參與的意願誘因不足所以這一塊還是要麻煩這個考量一下市長請回覆我想這個跟各位委員做一個說明"},{"start":7686.994,"end":7714.474,"text":"那謝謝召委跟各位委員原則上我們的重點還是在於鼓勵那個出租人把房屋釋出那鼓勵把房屋釋出我們這邊用免稅額其實不見得是真的回應到那個房東的需求房東真正的需求有一些房東就是說他們其實是手邊有一些房子那他可能就是他喜歡短暫短時間的出租那我們希望這個短時間的出租也可以拿出來"},{"start":7715.154,"end":7729.142,"text":"或者是說他的房子的價值比較高他拿出來出租的時候他希望獲得的是其他稅率方面的優惠那這些東西跟所得稅比起來他覺得其他房租的其他的稅的優惠可能比較有誘因"},{"start":7730.403,"end":7748.539,"text":"因為所得稅其實對高所得來講也沒有什麼太大的影響相對來講是他的房子在處理的過程裡面他如果因為我們現在也是希望說我們也非常感謝財政部的支持我們希望說他如果把房子長期拿出來租賃"},{"start":7749.46,"end":7771.161,"text":"那到一个程度之后比方说我们讲6年或者是12年他愿意这样做那他后续的一些相关的租税优惠我们可以跟财政部来做滚动式的检讨这样子对这些高房价高所得的人他才有最足够的诱因尤其是对双北地区或者是像新竹竹科这样子的一些房子因为他的房价太高了"},{"start":7771.901,"end":7787.75,"text":"所得也很高你跟他減個什麼一萬兩萬所以內政部的意思是其實你們的優惠更優惠我們這個1.5到2.5是小case你們有更對他們更有利的對因為我我們可能不是屬於高那種"},{"start":7788.971,"end":7809.648,"text":"有很多房子我無法理解那你們說明一下我再補充一下就是說其實因為1.5去調你看起來好像是滿足了北北桃還有新竹的部分但是反過來對其他地區的房東會誤解說那我就可以把我的房租調到2萬反正對我來講也是免稅"},{"start":7811.536,"end":7825.252,"text":"對我來講也是免稅這樣反而是另外一個造成另外一個但是我們現在真正在跟財政部在討論的是現在市面上空餘屋我們怎麼樣透過其他的租稅的減免的方式去出來有沒有具體的我們了解"},{"start":7829.398,"end":7846.332,"text":"說明一下好了我大概說明一下因為其實房東他們對那個就是持有期間他們房屋出租的租金收入其實他們因為現在報稅的那個費用成本很高就像委員講的說你一萬提到兩萬五一萬五提到一萬塊錢"},{"start":7847.313,"end":7865.079,"text":"但是因為它現在可以有60%的成本費用扣掉所以它其實真正的所得增加免稅的所得增加也只有4000萬元而已對大家來講其實這個誘因並不是他們真正的需求那經過這麼多年我們住宅法也有住任專法實施下來以後勤力政部也有去做一些調查"},{"start":7865.999,"end":7884.955,"text":"那看起來這些租屋族呢他們比較介意的是說我現在租人家對不對那我現在所得該怎麼課稅就課稅而且他又享有這些住宅法的優惠他們其實覺得他們好像對這方面並沒有真正想要調高這個額度但是他們比較介意的是說有一天萬一我這房子要賣掉的時候"},{"start":7886.656,"end":7902.988,"text":"那我可能會面臨到比較高的稅負因為我們現在那個房地合一稅大家委員也知道就是我們有一個房地合一稅如果我們是對自住房屋有優惠喔你呢持有6年以上然後你一直自住你有400萬的免稅額然後你又可以適用10%的稅率但是對於這些房東來講他就沒有這個優惠"},{"start":7907.751,"end":7930.382,"text":"他會變成說他所有這個交易的所得全部都要課稅而且可能適用的稅率大概最高可能到45 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讓劉委員量一下他也跟你也差不多啊"},{"start":11497.34,"end":11497.36,"text":"對阿"},{"start":11515.926,"end":11516.447,"text":"我都不會說"},{"start":11544.653,"end":11544.793,"text":"主席"},{"start":11563.741,"end":11566.043,"text":"好 交換花樣興趣 呵呵呵會上會上"},{"start":11583.212,"end":11586.415,"text":"你現在說匯商嘛對不對?他不能匯同嗎?"},{"start":11604.809,"end":11625.021,"text":"會同不一定會有會商反而會會商才是討論會商裡面可以不曉得他們討論嗎不會啊 不會會商就一定要討論會同都要討論我説明一下現在大多數的都市計畫應該說99%以上的都市計畫都是限制之下是限制政府所以他自己就應該內部要有一個共識"},{"start":11626.642,"end":11644.599,"text":"那他們剛剛原來講的是說擔心的是中央進行的路易計畫但是我們實際上本來就在做的時候都是要找地方政府我們不敢自己做不找地方政府為什麼 因為後面遇到建管還是地方在執行我們也不能不找他們"},{"start":11670.203,"end":11673.324,"text":"來我們現在回到來現在先"},{"start":11690.338,"end":11700.112,"text":"嗯你不寫詞了,為何要去寫啊?你要寫就寫進去啊"},{"start":11705.281,"end":11725.288,"text":"你現在選不同分位 你照公司分位我可以拿出來比較好對啦 對 這樣OK OK 歪壓吧 歪壓吧不是我歪壓啦 不是你歪壓啦我叫他去歪壓啦"},{"start":11729.935,"end":11747.963,"text":"市長 市長"},{"start":11751.845,"end":11769.484,"text":"你要嘛是47條有沒有 就把它寫得很明確 比如說它幾崗位或什麼東西要嘛就第10條 因為我覺得第10條你這個其實只是叫你先做統整而已你這個有一定要登錄嗎 第10條 我說這幾條是一起看的嗎對 這一條是不用登錄"},{"start":11773.567,"end":11783.09,"text":"這是你們的現有資料公佈 投資貸款 豬補貼 現有資料公佈成十分位這是一種邏輯 另外一種是這個是豬補的實價登錄你們要哪一種其實就這一種就好了 這樣比較快而且我們是直接公佈你公佈十分位 你切得太細民眾看不清楚 因為我們現在四分位數 民眾就只會看中位數"},{"start":11799.915,"end":11823.723,"text":"你切到十分位 幼高 高級 租金在比較的時候就會出現問題因為現在像小學生 學生們去大學附近去廚房 它也是反考這個那學生的租屋的狀況 它有太多複雜所以用四分位或五分位的方式會比較有那個因為像我們切四分位就是其實五個數字"},{"start":11824.623,"end":11836.852,"text":"那基本上他已經符合了中位跟前後的你可能10 20 30的數字都會很接近你切到10就會很接近因為他們的租金反而就不會很高會很接近或者10是1萬520也是1萬530也是1萬5"},{"start":11841.856,"end":11844.26,"text":"如果從統計上面來講,你把它切得很細"},{"start":11857.236,"end":11867.461,"text":"最後變成六十七十八十都一樣的價錢因為整個一個他的一個所以我會覺得說用距離我們另外會做距離要不然要不然這樣"},{"start":11882.828,"end":11904.668,"text":"你先看一下第十條你們現在第十條的狀況是什麼疑慮是什麼我回過頭來 我們就一次拔除一半剩下協商是拔除一半因為實價登錄主補直接轉實價登錄是第一個單位因為我們現在資料單位非常簡單所以你要多填的話第一個房客就會要多填第二個填的就是錯"},{"start":11905.328,"end":11913.561,"text":"到時候又被處罰所以反而會到時候是訪客民眾來罵政府說你為什麼把這個東西弄那麼複雜所以我們會說既然我們現在已經填了資料我們還做分析"},{"start":11925.803,"end":11926.905,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":11937.492,"end":11956.121,"text":"跟委員報告這個如果要成豬人要那個成豬人來施加登錄那以後就是他在登記的時候就很困難那很困難的結果他就是不來申請豬骨或者是他就是變成不來豬骨他就是到"},{"start":11959.222,"end":11965.845,"text":"這個體制外 那就不是我們現在所謂的一個方向很細 因為連到它的坪數到底有多少面積"},{"start":11977.29,"end":11995.879,"text":"然後到最簡單的歌曲你到底是套房還是整層其實我們現在在統計資料裡面就搞不清楚尤其學生根本就搞不清楚我是租什麼是雅房什麼是套房他根本就搞不清楚現在連不動產的教育 代書 地政司都還會填說被地所處罰"},{"start":12003.022,"end":12013.187,"text":"主顧處理 先不要一次我們今天弄掉幾條4311先不處理嘛 41留在委員會嘛然後 491 23"},{"start":12028.053,"end":12041.498,"text":"我們中間還是討論 我沒有講說一定到最後還是折一啦委員就直接用這一個 然後10跟那個罰則就不處理那一個部分你現在一時半刻也沒有一個好的結論沒關係 我覺得這幾條 我們租賃的這兩條我們在協商的時候處理完我們會把它處理完 協商出一個結果"},{"start":12054.901,"end":12061.983,"text":"好不好 18條也是一樣嘛18條那登記平台也是一樣 一時半刻想不出一個結果第四條也是一樣嘛 對不對"},{"start":12072.026,"end":12078.511,"text":"我們上次讓很多人 我知道我們其他東西已經很實務了啦對不對 有些要實務 有些要進步"},{"start":12088.299,"end":12090.641,"text":"其實是三個題目嘛對啦 三個題目"},{"start":12114.06,"end":12115.081,"text":"還有一個登記平台好吧"},{"start":12132.253,"end":12155.828,"text":"我覺得保留吧 大家慢慢協商的時候再來談因為我一直擔心民眾他們只要膨脹那個數字膨脹那個數字絕對不能讓他這樣子所以還是要考慮一下嘛 但彼此之間資料再跟我們講另外主委要轉那個登錄 那個真的會我們到底那個數額怎麼抓我們後面協商的時候再來處理 好不好我沒有問題現在是真的這樣 市委或是委員長來"},{"start":12161.391,"end":12172.538,"text":"對啊你們再提一些意見啦剩三條而已 三題這裡獨立調比較好而且如果我們今天上次委員會不用寫三題就馬上可以三題了應該不太容易"},{"start":12197.392,"end":12199.656,"text":"我們會召會要表大家意見"},{"start":12207.079,"end":12218.162,"text":"在這裡 我覺得有的才九點到現在我認為因為剛才也有校訓學生說了因為我認為這個法修當然是沒有百分之一百的我覺得大家每一個都可以去用但是我認為我們修這個法"},{"start":12233.82,"end":12257.192,"text":"主宰法 我覺得我剛才聽到 實在不是因為什麼人理想的啦是因為 我覺得我們的主宰法應該是修了讓大家都適用啦不然修到最後 讓一些完蛋的 很多惡弱的就不好啦"},{"start":12260.427,"end":12286.357,"text":"感謝教委 當然本來修法就代表不一樣的團體 不一樣的聲音我們今天討論的主要是大家想要聽聽那我想接下來我看今天討論看劉旭廷委員這邊我覺得剩下來今天還算不錯啦至少有幾個條文包租代管什麼已經順利達成共識嘛然後涉財土地儲備也算有一點往前走了一小步嘛"},{"start":12287.216,"end":12300.806,"text":"所以我覺得但剩下幾條一時半刻應該也講不出個結果啦所以我是建議我是建議我是建議保留結商啦對啊還是你第四條要接受20%第四條接受20%我們也很高興"},{"start":12306.175,"end":12328.354,"text":"不是嘛 我們修法的邏輯是只要20%如果申請登記師沒有額滿沒有額滿我就讓你釋出嘛所以這個就沒有六不六度的問題了嘛會滿的就會滿 不會滿的就釋出這樣不就好了嗎你再去區別反而 反而橫生更多問題嘛 對不對違原則 我現在要請教就是說立法例上面寫違原則是要怎麼對啊"},{"start":12331.946,"end":12340.815,"text":"我是寫至少20%嘛但申請時就但例外條款嘛申請時沒有達到20%的剩餘戶數可釋出嘛我的意思是我的寫法是這樣啊"},{"start":12347.714,"end":12367.647,"text":"對啊我我我還是不是我還是跟委員不是不是委員我們我們盡量尋求共識了我我們就是說因為因為這個這個會涉及到的是說不同區域的彈性不夠清楚了因為你你20%會讓很多區域的壓力就變得很大"},{"start":12368.107,"end":12371.189,"text":"所以我們才會說10%我們圍下線這樣子來處理這樣子會有比較高的彈性因為我剛剛也跟委員報告就是說這樣子的彈性其實在北三都它就可以擴大這比較沒有什麼問題"},{"start":12385.896,"end":12402.684,"text":"但是在中南部他就可以回到10%內來處理這樣子大家會比較就是說在執行上面讓行政單位比較好做尤其是地方政府在執行的時候所以是不是坑請委員就是可以考量我們這樣子在執行上面比較方便的作業"},{"start":12404.705,"end":12420.932,"text":"因為10%當然就是包括20%了所以這沒有什麼太大的問題我們如果說一面一定要談20%這件事情就會造成我們在地方執行上面的困難因為這也造成地方政府的壓力這個還是在拜託委員這邊協助一下這樣子"},{"start":12425.386,"end":12437.919,"text":"我們能夠提供你寫到20在法律裡面明定的時候就會有執行的壓力啦這個是要跟委員報告就是說我們不是反對20而是說執行率那個"},{"start":12440.061,"end":12457.61,"text":"對啊因為這個就是北山都才會比較有的事情那其他地方就會我們變成說我們大家很努力的整齊設宅蓋設宅然後我們在整個這個抽籤的過程裡面會造成就是說很多抽籤戶他有一些壓力因為"},{"start":12458.45,"end":12480.915,"text":"他中了可是我們跟他講說不好意思我們要優先給那個婚育宅就變成是他要第二波要再來抽一次這個會有一點壓力這個是先跟委員做一個報告也希望委員體諒就是我們賦予我們立法上一點彈性的時候我們在執行上會比較公平一點對北山都來講他不會有差別因為他還是會達到20這樣"},{"start":12489.164,"end":12491.224,"text":"17是保留對不對 17保留 52ok"},{"start":12516.949,"end":12534.355,"text":"好接下來討論那個增訂57條之一OK進來公司我們就保留了好不好"},{"start":12546.781,"end":12573.871,"text":"我們接下來今天我們討論的像第四條保留部分那有沒有其他的意見沒有我們就保留好不好第四條保留那第四條保留增訂第四條之一這部分李博文的意見就是我們就保留"},{"start":12575.069,"end":12589.382,"text":"那第十條部分也是保留第十八條也是保留那十九條之一就是修正後通過修正文字後通過"},{"start":12591.075,"end":12613.988,"text":"那21條 增訂21條之一我們也是修正後通過23條我們維持現行條文第47條保留第52條修正後通過那57條之一 增訂57條之一保留那這個部分 今天討論的部分各位有沒有意見沒有沒有意見趕快解釋一下52條52條我們再修正一下"},{"start":12621.907,"end":12627.675,"text":"52條那個因為不得少於2.5倍好像有一點變成鼓勵我們還要再超過"},{"start":12630.632,"end":12653.822,"text":"所以看看是不是就我覺得是用2.5先當 先用2.5對 實務上是1.8對 沒有錯沒有沒有沒有 因為現在都講點介紹所以看是不是同一句話 先修到2.5倍好不好 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代代弱勢都不會去競選可是現在市政府說不可能讓年輕人去競選不可能讓弱勢去競選不可能要讓我們老人家的家庭"},{"start":12964.768,"end":12965.228,"text":"好多人"},{"start":12992.643,"end":12993.023,"text":"主席"},{"start":13018.387,"end":13040.515,"text":"我今天就想問一下 現在一旦鼓吹一年期我們不是要轉年來都卡住了所以我現在想問一下 現在市長要去哪一關啊?現在那裡卡住了 當初人家很認真 以前在清廢 讓人家搬 所有人都回家了"},{"start":13044.002,"end":13044.302,"text":"台湾"},{"start":13072.739,"end":13090.452,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":13097.349,"end":13107.558,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":13126.391,"end":13128.845,"text":"谢谢观看"},{"start":13142.032,"end":13166.765,"text":"有開刀嗎?沒有,還沒有,就是沒有開刀所以才要把它覆蓋起來應該去看一下,假如它嚴重要開刀比較好看會好沒有,因為我看了他,他就是說你大概有一點裂,然後有點那個就是骨頭之間有一點裂縫然後他建議說用那個,就是固定然後兩個禮拜,讓它自動運用這樣子"},{"start":13168.005,"end":13193.173,"text":"不然就要開刀腿對 她是覺得應該可以讓她自己可以慢慢癒合只要我不要一直去動她她為什麼會要我固定就是希望你不要一直去用到那個傷口的地方所以用那個用這個主要的原因也是在這個事情這樣也是提醒自己啦對 兩週 要撐兩週比較容易"},{"start":13196.522,"end":13197.365,"text":"就是一般都看得到的一般都看得到的"},{"start":13211.738,"end":13229.642,"text":"主席"},{"start":13236.727,"end":13260.789,"text":"他們真正在意的是財政部那一件數量不老八卦比起這個比好幾百件我們一件就比好幾百件那我三條大概也要留下來"},{"start":13275.572,"end":13294.702,"text":"我們剛剛講那個給包租跟貸款業主的租金很好了他那個貸款是一萬一萬那現在那個包租是一萬八所以我們只是把它從一萬八變成一萬那你現在"},{"start":13297.425,"end":13318.199,"text":"喔 沒有耶 沒有沒有沒有 這個是所有的因為這個喔 這個不是 這個是給房東的修繕費跟那個保險費這個不是給 對"},{"start":13327.236,"end":13342.442,"text":"沒有啊 沒有沒有 稅金 跟稅金有關對啊 一次啊 一次啊 對啊對啊 沒錯啊 求善跟保險啊不會不會不會 那就一次啊"},{"start":13352.768,"end":13365.82,"text":"不是一次就是你包租合約的三年對啊是那就是一年休八千塊"},{"start":13381.058,"end":13383.688,"text":"若是心無苦 也沒有所善"},{"start":13386.995,"end":13408.739,"text":"不會啊 其實修繕大概都是中古屋啊中古屋才會有沒有 可是我跟爸爸說現在會拿出來的都是就你真的以正常房子來講 前面不會有修繕修繕都是超過17年是"},{"start":13417.184,"end":13433.574,"text":"我跟您報告現在的狀況是現在的狀況是因為中股不好賣所以他們會轉做包袱代理事實上我們本來也是中股對所以中股它的協商會計算所以它是有幫助的對 所以剛才講的是多7000塊沒有啊 1.8倍"},{"start":13451.596,"end":13452.678,"text":"沒有啦 本來是1點8點2點"},{"start":13465.423,"end":13485.653,"text":"就是2.5除以1.8一個是那個婚禮宅然後我們就再協商對 就是對包租業的那個什麼 租屋市長透明那個我們再討論看什麼因為最主要是要有個認識 獨行的部署很多好 我們再談這個我會跟你們聊天 也要跟你們再談然後要馬上調兩個角色"},{"start":13493.677,"end":13496.539,"text":"因為聽說在飛機上面切很細其實也看不出差異啦那個沒有辦法"},{"start":13509.705,"end":13510.306,"text":"OK 好"},{"start":13540.782,"end":13551.069,"text":"好了 搞定了"},{"start":13556.013,"end":13578.137,"text":"因為現在會用到那種錢幾乎都中了部長 務委也會說新屋不會用到那種錢OK 那就是他是希望就部長要我們在那個執法的辦法裡面把它寫得更清楚對 執法把它立定得更清楚那所以修正的方式是什麼我們就趕快讓他們確認了那就是就是把原則沒有沒有要維上線那個要這樣"},{"start":13592.746,"end":13595.189,"text":"為2.5倍就好了就為2.5就好了"},{"start":13610.717,"end":13626.073,"text":"我今天不容易,因為很多事情我都沒辦法拿出來。"},{"start":13631.541,"end":13648.294,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":13669.454,"end":13688.478,"text":"好現在請宣讀協商結論住宅法部分條文修正草案等44案協商結論第一條第二條維持現行條文第四條保留增訂第四條之一定期繼續審查第五條第九條維持現行條文"},{"start":13689.238,"end":13701.44,"text":"第10條保留第15條第16條維持現行條文第18條保留第19條維持現行條文增訂第19條之一修正通過第20條維持現行條文增訂第21條之一修正通過第22條第23條第24條第25條第33條第34條第35條第39條第40條"},{"start":13717.423,"end":13737.362,"text":"第43條均維持現行條文第47條保留第52條修正通過增訂第5章之一增訂第52條之一增訂第53條之一均不予增訂增訂第57條之一保留通過附帶決議三項宣讀完畢"},{"start":13744.221,"end":13771.957,"text":"請問各位委員照剛才的協商結論通過請問有無異議無異議通過那主席現在做以下的主席做以下的決議第一我們討論事項所列議案住宅法部分條文修正草案等事實案除第33案另訂其繼續審查外其餘43案均已"},{"start":13773.538,"end":13790.585,"text":"並按審查完略你據審查報告提報院會討論 請問在場委員需不需要經過黨團協商好 心虛黨團協商審查通過之條文 條字不想協商啊 只是要尊重"},{"start":13799.113,"end":13823.841,"text":"本案與院會討論時由本席做補充說明審查通過之條文 條次引述條文部分文字及相關法之用與授權主席及議事人員整理本次修正之條文行政機關如有補充立法說明會有請競訴送至內政委員會批例納入審查報告"},{"start":13824.821,"end":13836.704,"text":"那這邊主席宣告跟委員會報告本次會議議事錄授權由本席確定請問各位委員有無異議無異議通過本次會議到此結束現在散會"},{"start":13857.737,"end":13858.861,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":13870.078,"end":13891.153,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":13903.102,"end":13904.845,"text":"要要要要"},{"start":13945.688,"end":13957.873,"text":"因為你要不要來我們台灣就好了啦你不用這樣寫送報告但我每六天第幾個都沒打啊那應該OK啦"},{"start":13960.674,"end":13960.776,"text":"谢谢大家"}]}}],"supported_filter_fields":["term","sessionPeriod","meet_id","legislator","committee_id","date"]}