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請各黨團簽名那衛福部提出之相關建議條文也在各位委員的桌上請大家參閱"},{"start":1523.726,"end":1529.178,"text":"我們上一次進行是到第30條但是還沒有結論那是不是再請衛福部來針對第30條先做說明"},{"start":1535.665,"end":1560.68,"text":"第三十條的部分我們是建議當時在討論的過程中其實主要是針對行政院版的草案的第三項有關這個直轄市縣市的補助的部分那因為行政院版本當時在行政院送出來的時候當時這個有關在預算財力的部分確實是和現在審議當時時空條件有一些改變"},{"start":1561.44,"end":1580.629,"text":"所以我們當時的建議是不是能夠改成德不過在歷次討論的其中委員也給了我們很多建議所以我們在對於第三項的文字我們做了一個小幅度的調整來徵詢委員的意見我們第三項的文字建議修正為中央主管機關因事財力疾次"},{"start":1581.409,"end":1601.963,"text":"補助慈霞市縣市主管機關建置前項網際網路系統文字上面再做一個修飾請委員這邊來做一個審視另外對於第四項的部分也參考了王正聚委員的提議我們在這個授權的四項裡面在第四項的文字裡面我們直接宣讀一下"},{"start":1602.583,"end":1629.674,"text":"第一項監視錄影設備設置區域應備功能管理人員配置攝錄影音資料之收集處理利用查閱條件以下增列檢查抽查機制這六個字然後接到原文與方式然後保存與銷毀方式與第二項網際網路系統建置之資訊安全管理及其他相關事項之辦法由中央主管機關定之以上"},{"start":1631.257,"end":1639.907,"text":"好 謝謝 這是上次處理30條最後的兩位委員的意見兩位網友的意見看這樣可以嗎來 請次長"},{"start":1642.541,"end":1661.783,"text":"主席 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原則上非常支持院版願意將這個錄音帶資料傳送到這個主管機關的建制網路系統這個是非常重要的因為我們近日也看到了一些被變造過的一些影片我們近日也開了記者會所以事實上這個是非常有必要"},{"start":1760.257,"end":1781.853,"text":"那有關這個中央機關要補助的問題我們還是堅持應該中央主管機關應補助直轄縣市第一個就是說我們當然也感謝這個所謂的這個管理整個使用管理都有中央政府來這是第一次在做這件事情使用來管理做這個建立一個非常明確的指引讓全國在執行的時候有一致性"},{"start":1782.814,"end":1800.427,"text":"那這是第一次我們來執行這樣的一個制度那我想在政府如果中央政府來直接來統籌來補助的話我想在任何設備的品質規格甚至溢價能力因為特有所這個特有機構他們這個"},{"start":1802.128,"end":1818.416,"text":"大小規模不一樣整個叫他們這個第一次第一回合因為這個他也有他相當的保用期間我們是希望說這個部分中央市不要吝嗇中央主管機關就是這個這一次對這個第一次我們要設立這樣的一個做法跟這樣的一個設備能夠予以這個補助剛才次長說比較有錢的比較沒錢的這很好說啦比較有錢的人也是他要顧很多事情啦顧很多人啦就這個說法是不夠客觀啦"},{"start":1830.741,"end":1847.93,"text":"所以我想說統籌採購 統籌管理品質 規格 溢價能力政府可以溢得最好那政府來溢這個部分來這個設備的這個補助的部分我相信到最後沒有大家預期想像高雖然我不知道現在是多少錢但絕對不是大概往傳的那個"},{"start":1848.67,"end":1868.507,"text":"要花上那麼多錢這個是我們希望這一會能是由中央政府來直接來執行然後也謝謝你們對於這個指引能夠做一些確立因為這個我們過去最擔心交付各地方縣政府來執行然後但事實上做法不一造成這個其實沒有被平等的保護以上 謝謝"},{"start":1870.888,"end":1891.415,"text":"好 謝謝 請林玉琴委員完了之後再請王玉敏委員好 謝謝因為第三十條有把我很在意的檢查跟抽查機制納入我也很樂見就是目前寫的事實上是之前事實上是本來我們是希望說用德"},{"start":1892.435,"end":1918.552,"text":"那我覺得有一些考量你們用因財力是財力分級那的確就會讓有些縣市真的事實上是財力比較單薄的可以得到幫忙然後來建置這個系統因為這個系統也是攸關孩子的安全當然我覺得財力已經很足夠的尤其事實上目前像新北市他自己就已經做了所以那表示什麼他自己財力上本來就足夠"},{"start":1919.11,"end":1938.619,"text":"可以去因應這件事情啊所以沒有道理說那現在做不到啊那反而是把錢用在真的事實上常常我們自己在講說當錢有限的時候一定是給弱勢優先嘛那以如果財力分級的話就是說那我們讓那些現在是真的他做不了的那先來做"},{"start":1939.279,"end":1939.54,"text":"來 請王一鳴委員"},{"start":1957.782,"end":1982.08,"text":"好 謝謝昭偉有關於30條中央主管機關應補助直轄縣市主管機關建置前向網際網路系統今天衛福部提出來的是財力的集賜那我提醒各位前一陣子引發爭議的是台東縣台東縣大家知道他的財力在第幾級嗎市長你知道嗎"},{"start":1987.203,"end":2001.122,"text":"你有沒有看到縣市首長跳腳就是不知道這個財力的分級是怎麼分你說台東縣會跟台北市市在財力分級是"},{"start":2002.283,"end":2022.32,"text":"屬同一級這個不只是地方首長跳腳我想如果欠缺一個很公平的財力分級制度同樣引發爭議嘉義市也抗議他覺得模範生好不容易去還債的然後被提升之後就是懲罰因為提升之後是中央就不補助"},{"start":2023.061,"end":2049.028,"text":"所以其實整個經濟補助議題還很多剛剛大家一直提財化法現在不附屬財化法不附屬的情況底下現在已經變成僵局有重新劃分嗎現在就是僵在那裡所以我上次其實已經提過了我們在這邊的法條如果按原來衛福部你最早的版本你本來就覺得在這件事情要做好"},{"start":2049.548,"end":2069.876,"text":"做好就是中央扛責我真的覺得不用再旁生枝節這個原則就是最簡單的就是中央要確保這件事情做好那就是中央去督導而且直接支援給直轄縣市來做相關的網際網路建制的工作"},{"start":2070.456,"end":2088.533,"text":"標準必須是一致的他絕對不允許有的財力做得比較好有的財力差做得比較差所以最好的就是統一的一個標準那其他你要彈性的其他比較無關乎這樣的一個網路安全的事情其他的計畫事項你要彈性我都沒有意見"},{"start":2089.193,"end":2112.575,"text":"但是這件事情是我們在這一次的耳托專法裡面我們覺得是重中之重而且也要求業者必須配合更何況還有一些業者現在還在抗議中那你這不是徒增困擾嗎我真的覺得就是回到原來的最原始你們一開始由衛福部提出來的就是中央主管機關應補助職銷"},{"start":2114.437,"end":2137.59,"text":"是縣市主管機關建置前向網際網路系統這樣就是最單純的那如果是這個版本的話我們黨還是沒有辦法接受那就繼續保留 謝謝來 還有這樣要回應嗎 還是還是各位拿其他意見"},{"start":2140.423,"end":2167.465,"text":"沒關係 這個部分我們了解了 了解委員的意見我們也尊重委員會這邊的冠軍意向 謝謝好 県總委員會不堅持就是回到原來那個行政院提出來的版本我真的覺得這樣最單純 也讓這個修法更順利那真的不要在這邊爭議了 對了"},{"start":2170.427,"end":2193.314,"text":"如果回到行政院的版本國民黨同意就變成中央主管機關應補助直轄市這個市財力集市就刪掉了好"},{"start":2198.134,"end":2202.322,"text":"不是先保留啦 好不好 謝謝好 謝謝 先第30條先保留好 我們繼續來處理第34條請行政單位先做說明"},{"start":2211.915,"end":2229.584,"text":"行政院版草案第34條是規範有關托育機構應該公開的一些資訊那先前在討論的過程中那比較這個一直在保留的核心的點是在於有關林月琴委員是希望一直希望說對於這個"},{"start":2231.586,"end":2241.773,"text":"聯運勤委員的版本對於托育機構的行政組織以及原額編制的部分能夠納到公開的事項裡面去而經過討論我們是覺得因為這個像是因為托育機構的組織跟原額編制尤其會涉及到"},{"start":2248.618,"end":2265.587,"text":"他的小朋友在邊班跟老師搭配的部分可能變動的頻率會比較高所以為了避免因為這一項條文是帶有罰則的我們建議是不是有可能把這個條文把這個部分我們把它單獨抽出來單獨寫成一項寫在34條的第二項"},{"start":2269.409,"end":2298.077,"text":"它的收益人員的收託配置情形要單獨在機構內的明顯處所來做揭示那這樣的話呢那這個條文呢我們是採取它的這個對它後面的效力是用要求先限期改善那如果沒有改善再做處罰那這樣的話這個稍微能夠平衡一下這樣的一個避免一開始沒有這個公開就處罰這樣子會可能稍微對機構來說可能是稍微比較嚴格的一個狀況"},{"start":2299.197,"end":2309.762,"text":"這個部分有先跟林委員大概有口頭有報告過就這個部分來爭取各位委員的意見 以上來 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懲犯《新規案犯罪防治法》第二條第一款鎖定之罪經緩起訴處分或有罪判決確定二 懲犯《毒品違反防治條例》之罪經緩起訴處分或有罪判決確定三 經直轄市縣市主管機關"},{"start":3130.876,"end":3148.902,"text":"调查认定有性侵害行为属实四就是申列的部分惩犯家庭暴力罪经有罪判决确定且清洁重大并经持下实现事主管机关认定有终身不得担任托育相关人员或居家托育服务中心工作人员之必要"},{"start":3149.562,"end":3168.587,"text":"五 受兒童及少年性交易防治條例或兒童及少年性剝削防治條例規定處罰或受性騷擾防治法第25條或第27條規定處罰經芝加斯縣市主管機關認定有中設不得單於托育相關人員或居家托育服務中心人員之必要"},{"start":3169.207,"end":3183.741,"text":"六 經各級主管機關因兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第97條規定處罰並經直轄市縣市主管機關認定有終身不得擔任托育相關人員或居家托育服務中心工作人員之必要七"},{"start":3184.501,"end":3202.892,"text":"知悉服務之托育機構發生疑似性侵害事件,位於第48條第1項規定通報,致再度發生機構內性侵害事件,偽造、變造、因滅或隱匿他人所犯。托育機構內性侵害事件之證據,經指甲式縣市主管機關查證屬實。8.偽造、變造、因滅或隱匿他人所犯。"},{"start":3207.355,"end":3235.109,"text":"托育機構內毒品危害事件之證據經直轄市縣市主管機關查證屬實9.直轄市縣市主管機關依第57條規定處罰並認定有終身不得擔任托育相關人員或居家托育服務中心工作人員之必要10.行為違反相關法規有傷害兒童之虞經直轄市縣市主管機關查證屬實及認定有終身不得擔任托育相關人員或居家托育服務中心"},{"start":3235.709,"end":3249.332,"text":"工作人員之必要 以上好 各位委員針對第38條對 38條 來 請立書委員第五款 懲犯家庭暴力罪"},{"start":3261.157,"end":3266.808,"text":"這個有罪判決要不要經緩起訴處分有沒有必要要寫上去緩起訴處分"},{"start":3269.145,"end":3293.49,"text":"跟委員報告因為原來在有關犯家庭暴力罪的時候我們是列在第39條1到4年的部分那考慮到當時跟委員討論的時候有些情節重大的部分把它拉到終身不得擔任所以有關緩起訴的部分的這一塊我們現在是留在第39條裡面所以緩起訴的部分的話就是拉到第39條它就不是終身"},{"start":3294.15,"end":3313.051,"text":"那他一定是有罪判決確定然後經過認定然後他才是終身大概用這樣的方式區分層次來處理 以上我有一點聽不清楚就是說終身不得擔任還起訴沒有到那麼重罪是"},{"start":3314.358,"end":3323.94,"text":"因為還起訴的部分它的情節沒有到那麼重大所以我們就是把它擺在第39條39條它就是有期限的它不是終身不得擔任我們就把它拆到兩段所以這個是5年這個是幾年了這個部分的話跟原來委員提案的48條的內容大體上是相當"},{"start":3344.901,"end":3370.752,"text":"對 我是說我們這款是幾年不能夠那個終生 終生 好吧 OK好好 這個文字有修正螢幕現在可以了各位再詳閱一下好好 所以我們38條就依照剛剛行政單位這樣的宣讀修正通過好謝謝怎樣"},{"start":3381.604,"end":3399.521,"text":"請行政機關把修正的條文再列出來給委員做確認我們繼續來處理第39條請行政擔任做說明第39條的部分主要是先前在討論的時候已經確定各委員都同意將這個不得"},{"start":3401.803,"end":3430.203,"text":"消極資格的適用對象從托育專業人員及工作人員之外會增列居家托育服務中心的工作人員那這個部分的話我們在各款裡面都把文字已經增列進去了那另外我們也參採了我們召委的這個動議那我們在第二款的部分增列了有關違反動保法最嚴重的一些虐待動物的行為因為他可能會有考慮到會有可能"},{"start":3431.063,"end":3453.932,"text":"這個會有相關的這個未來它的暴力傾向可能也會影響到它的工作所以我們甄列了第二款那第二款文字宣讀如下受動物保護法第25條之一第一項規定處罰並經直轄市縣市主管機關認定有不得擔任托育相關人員或居家托育服務中心工作人員之必要那以上"},{"start":3455.731,"end":3471.829,"text":"那這個部分 斬格條的部分我們就已經有現在有投影在螢幕上好 各位請看投影有什麼地方 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都有認定的問題第一款也有啊第二款也有啊那第三款是有時間它本身這個有時間限制"},{"start":3769.38,"end":3790.828,"text":"請大家重新再看一下第39條就是從第一款到第六款每一款都有認定第二款跟第三款每一款都有認定現在只有家暴罪第三款的沒有家暴罪沒有納入認定其他都有"},{"start":3791.714,"end":3816.517,"text":"對 那如果每一個都認定這個寫法是這樣寫嘛就是說是不是衛福部應該還是法務部應該給一點意見如果每一個都要經認定那應該是說構成的要件一二三四五六款然後呢最後再寫就是說要如果都要一致的話那就是經主管機關認定現在就是第三款第三款他沒有寫清楚其他好像都有"},{"start":3817.389,"end":3835.697,"text":"那如果每一個都要寫是但是第三款本身就有講了第三款很具體的講說五年五年內就他已經講五年內不可以所以就不用認定了那每一款每一款都有他不是五年內來 你們請望山"},{"start":3840.584,"end":3864.453,"text":"還有抱歉我再講一下這個加報懲罰加報罪還幾數然後有罪判決五年內不可以擔任五年後就可以那你這個動保這個要終身嗎本條都會到一到四"},{"start":3866.189,"end":3894.545,"text":"39條全部都是1到41到4如果是終身的話會在38條對 1到4都是1到4那加報罪是那第三款加報1到5是因為它是配合這個原來在因為這個是從兒少法這邊抽出來在兒少法規定的時候原來對於犯加報罪的時候它就是五年內不得擔任所以這個時候是這一款是單獨跟其他條款是不太一樣的原因所以第三款是不用認定其他款都有認定嗎"},{"start":3896.058,"end":3902.902,"text":"現在我們就是處理認定的問題了認定這個法定程序的爭執先質疑 先處理這一個還是什麼這麼嚴重打徵記 虐殺這樣"},{"start":3923.103,"end":3933.914,"text":"已經限度兩年以下事實上他都有虐殺這種狀況那是不是要不要考慮就是直接入消極資格而不是要去判定一到四年"},{"start":3936.361,"end":3955.878,"text":"跟各位委員報告第一個是這個部分我們當然背景是我們是依委員的有動議的部分我們把違反動物保護法的規定納進來所以當時提案修正動議的部分也是針對在39條的部分"},{"start":3958.16,"end":3986.068,"text":"那第二個就是現在在39條的部分因為它並不是一個直接就判多少年不得去擔任這個托育相關的工作它是有一個期間的限制所以除了在第三款它是直接因為其他相關法令已經有現行規定之外那其他所有的各款的規定我們現在就全部都是在這邊都是有透過一個縣市主管機關一個認定的機制"},{"start":3986.809,"end":4002.371,"text":"那這個認定一方面是認定他是不是不得擔任同時也會搭配第二項他同時在認定的不得擔任還要去審酌他的嚴重程度是一到四年之間是不得擔任多久同時還有一個裁量認定多久的部分"},{"start":4002.871,"end":4022.328,"text":"所以我們是建議說這個部分是不是有可能在未來運作機制的部分的話是不是有可能就是各款的部分除了第三款當時是一個比較獨特的狀況之外是不是有可能能夠做比較統一的一個處理這是我們初步的一個建議以上"},{"start":4023.68,"end":4046.088,"text":"好 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處罰這兩個字也很奇怪"},{"start":4299.588,"end":4303.431,"text":"OK或者是處罰兩個字可以代替還起訴和判決如果這樣子的話"},{"start":4310.236,"end":4333.548,"text":"法务部要不要建议一下就是那个文字可以这个是文字调整的问题刚刚汪参有说就是说那个刑事跟行政是不太一样的对因为像第三款还起诉处分或有罪判决确定因为如果是缓刑也是有罪判决确定所以这可以包含在里面但是处罚这两个字我们不"},{"start":4334.168,"end":4350.514,"text":"用在包含刑罰跟行政罰看起來有點奇怪而且這個處罰如果是有罪判決還要經主管機關認定這個就是要看政策是不是要這樣子做可是如果要這樣做我們是建議都一樣只要有"},{"start":4350.894,"end":4370.623,"text":"是有刑責的條文如果是這樣第二款第三款一定要整合成一致的態度看文字因為他們都是有罪判有罪的認定不只是行政處分這樣子的話第一款第一款的條文是不是要確認一下"},{"start":4372.219,"end":4386.862,"text":"因為第一款他是沒有講確定的第一款也是啊沒有性騷擾二十五也是有罪一二三款恐怕都有同樣的問題你們回去統整一下"},{"start":4388.427,"end":4402.793,"text":"我建議這一條可能要稍微保留一下文字一定要統整啦概念也要統整對然後看有沒有更簡潔的立法如果每一款都在講重複同樣的事情是不是"},{"start":4403.553,"end":4427.66,"text":"可以透過什麼樣的立法文字更簡潔就是每一款都必須要認定的話那就是統整在一起第一項文字就說明全部都要中央主管機關認定但是我們真的要全部都中央主管機關認定嗎我們本來是第三款是因為這個判決是很清楚的判決日期但要認定我現在剛剛講因為有還起訴"},{"start":4429.801,"end":4455.798,"text":"這個東西所以我覺得也可以認定所以可不可以請衛福部跟法務部你們就是因為我覺得可能沒有辦法這樣子討論這一條可能會耗很久的時間你們再仔細回去推敲剛剛法務部的意見還有剛剛委員的意見有沒有辦法再去統整一個版本要表決了要表決了"},{"start":4458.879,"end":4476.009,"text":"來 這個 這一條就請華務部跟衛務部溝通一下吧看文字要怎麼修啦 好不好好 謝謝就一案而已嘛好 那就我們等一下回來再處理啦 謝謝"},{"start":4485.61,"end":4486.031,"text":"三十三分鐘"},{"start":4518.349,"end":4525.139,"text":"中文字幕志愿者 李宗盛"},{"start":4538.266,"end":4547.994,"text":"中文字幕由 Amara.org 社群提供"},{"start":4567.773,"end":4593.268,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":4611.186,"end":4611.827,"text":"谢谢观看"},{"start":4652.086,"end":4655.908,"text":"這裏面有一個大廈,這裏面有一個大廈"},{"start":4657.534,"end":4671.924,"text":"我當時臉全瘦怎麼辦啊所以說要不然我是照這個經過這個診斷練習如果害臉治療這個診斷要不然就是有一定多久他就兩個學期就開始臉腫了"},{"start":4690.056,"end":4700.621,"text":"對人工、對網路上的抗疫行為都只剩下5年那個行為了然後對動物的說10年、15年、15年後來其實都會理解於明天下一個學期的日期都在那邊在賺"},{"start":4710.708,"end":4717.393,"text":"這間餐廳的餐廳有很多不同的餐廳。"},{"start":4727.729,"end":4729.67,"text":"這都是現行的嗎?這是現行的嗎?對,都是現行的"},{"start":4750.089,"end":4758.039,"text":"因為到最後 委員會趕快要將上班那些人推進來所以要先把這做到 要先把這做到 要先把這做到 要先把這做到"},{"start":4763.012,"end":4789.275,"text":"對,我剛剛有寫我現在看到的那張圖比較好看的圖比較好看的圖比較好看的圖比較好看的圖比較好看的圖比較好看的圖比較好看的圖"},{"start":4794.437,"end":4811.761,"text":"這裏面是一間餐廳。這裏面是餐廳。"},{"start":4818.726,"end":4839.691,"text":"好像都沒有"},{"start":4840.691,"end":4852.858,"text":"謝謝觀賞"},{"start":4950.492,"end":4950.512,"text":"好"},{"start":4972.564,"end":4982.369,"text":"三八三九十六十六十六十六十六十六十六"},{"start":4986.673,"end":5000.678,"text":"然後每一顆都抽一顆然後抽一顆兩顆"},{"start":5047.961,"end":5054.265,"text":"中文字幕 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他們做的肉"},{"start":5345.052,"end":5348.196,"text":"這裏面是一間餐廳。這裏面是一間餐廳"},{"start":5373.533,"end":5386.958,"text":"這間餐廳的餐廳是一間餐廳的中間餐廳"},{"start":5392.671,"end":5399.917,"text":"中文字幕志愿者 杨茜茜"},{"start":5422.867,"end":5433.034,"text":"謝謝,你們有沒有啊?你們有喝一杯嗎?這給你好了,因為我自己都每天都在喝一杯可以喝嗎?可以可以"},{"start":5450.619,"end":5450.639,"text":"謝謝觀看"},{"start":5483.439,"end":5485.282,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":5532.21,"end":5538.353,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":5570.342,"end":5571.407,"text":"中文字幕組"},{"start":5602.773,"end":5602.933,"text":"謝謝大家。"},{"start":5649.411,"end":5649.591,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":5674.937,"end":5680.5,"text":"對,就委員的先說起來那個嘛,39"},{"start":5713.046,"end":5740.449,"text":"這就是一種叫電子錄影的感覺,還有一個叫電子錄影的感覺。這就是一種叫電子錄影的感覺,還有一個叫電子錄影的感覺,還有一個叫電子錄影的感覺,還有一個叫電子錄影的感覺,還有一個叫電子錄影的感覺,還有一個叫電子錄影的感覺,還有一個叫電子錄影的感覺,還有一個叫電子錄影的感覺,還有一個叫電子錄影的感覺,還有一個叫電子錄影的感覺,還有一個叫電子錄影的感覺,還有一個叫電子錄影的感覺,還有一個叫電子錄影的感覺,還有一個叫電子錄影的感覺,還有一個叫電子錄影的感覺,還有一個叫電子錄影的感覺,還有一個叫電子錄影的感覺,還有一個叫電子錄影的感覺,"},{"start":5758.925,"end":5758.945,"text":"哦"},{"start":5776.11,"end":5776.25,"text":"謝謝大家。"},{"start":5812.312,"end":5812.332,"text":"我會"},{"start":5875.7,"end":5888.131,"text":"這裏面是一間餐廳,一間餐廳的餐廳"},{"start":5894.753,"end":5920.322,"text":"那是烤鱸鱸鱸鱸"},{"start":5931.278,"end":5937.045,"text":"謝謝大家收看,下次見"},{"start":5957.904,"end":5958.687,"text":"這裏有個小店舖"},{"start":5968.575,"end":5991.65,"text":"對,我認為你做得比較好,因為我認識你,我認識你,我認識你,我認識你,我認識你,我認識你,我認識你,我認識你,"},{"start":5996.232,"end":6016.467,"text":"這間餐廳的餐廳是一間餐廳的餐廳。"},{"start":6036.244,"end":6050.67,"text":"應該是原來的名詞第一名問題是後面被加了受委託單位後面被加了受委託單位才導致於前面這兩位對 其實後面一開始就不要用受委託單位就要去交給委託單位"},{"start":6051.63,"end":6078.089,"text":"其實那個餐廳跟餐館的角度是不錯的我們之前晚上去吃餐館的那一家餐廳那一家餐館的那一家餐館的那一家餐館的那一家餐館的那一家餐館的那一家餐館的那一家餐館的那一家餐館的那一家餐館的那一家餐館的那一家餐館的那一家餐館的那一家餐館的那一家餐館的那一家餐館的那一家餐館的那一家餐館"},{"start":6079.29,"end":6093.26,"text":"是網路上說的網站重新回覆的感覺,畢竟有沒有那樣的標準?發射位前大概在哪一層?對,他們一直說要挖挖挖挖挖"},{"start":6098.492,"end":6104.955,"text":"因為前面這個看起來不曉得有那麼麻煩吧因為它就是那些環節其實撐撐 撐一會兒 撐一會兒吧我也請教 因為我們這兩個月期都沒有上午班"},{"start":6120.742,"end":6146.635,"text":"對阿,沒有,昨天有說其實這次就講不中,就好,然後,然後整局的起來,後面就不太好,因為沒有人去講對阿,就是反正,結果反而就不太好,就是,反正就不太好,因為沒有人去講對阿,就是反而就不太好,就是,反正就不太好,就是,反正就不太好,就是,反正就不太好,就是,反正就不太好,就是,反正就不太好,就是,反正就不太好,就是,反正就不太好,就是,反正就不太好,就是,反正就不太好,就是,反正就不太好,就是,反正就不太好,就是,反正就不太好,就是,反正就不太好,就是,反正就不太好,就是,反正就不太好,就是,反正就不太好,"},{"start":6148.787,"end":6168.865,"text":"然後呢,我也有問的感覺,應該是說,這次看起來不好看,我覺得不好看,我覺得不好看,我覺得不好看"},{"start":6178.602,"end":6179.724,"text":"多謝您的收看"},{"start":6195.637,"end":6211.91,"text":"然後後來因為他已經是正案理這些檔案然後我們後面就把那個金句話都找他結婚了就選擇了就選擇了就選擇了"},{"start":6216.747,"end":6221.633,"text":"謝謝觀看,下次見"},{"start":6225.98,"end":6252.534,"text":"後面,後面有馬桶,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是那個,是"},{"start":6254.236,"end":6254.256,"text":"嘿"},{"start":6283.588,"end":6308.999,"text":"後面的都是處罰、受委託單位,可是我們沒有通知比如說像那個後面的處罰都改成是委託單位,比如說舊的是九條,舊的是九條開始沒有,都一直是這樣子人家如果說受委託單位,下一期公司只會上班那個時候沒有負責寫書,負責有資格問問"},{"start":6312.57,"end":6335.468,"text":"後面最後一座,後面的...是這個喔,是這個後面都有60也有,61也有60啦,不好意思,6060的那個後面,後面的閥轍金每個都有增加送委託單位,對對對我們這邊有各個公司都有"},{"start":6342.532,"end":6362.924,"text":"因為那個時候我有過很多的經濟戰略我原來那個提案就是這個案子我們那個行政部行政部的法庭都有決定其實那個"},{"start":6367.073,"end":6393.302,"text":"對,對,對"},{"start":6394.938,"end":6395.198,"text":"謝謝觀看,下次見"},{"start":6421.638,"end":6432.92,"text":"那就是變成要把全部裡面的部分都改成居家科技中心嗎?那就是居家科技中心"},{"start":6436.901,"end":6460.29,"text":"它就是派出那個,是不是,就是那個餐廳,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,"},{"start":6468.533,"end":6483.564,"text":"因為第一瓦一改的話,它下面後面就是黑的那個就是法律的,這個就是法律的,這個就是法律的,這個就是法律的,這個就是法律的,這個就是法律的,"},{"start":6491.811,"end":6509.679,"text":"在這裏面,我們可以看到有一個大圖圖圖圖圖圖圖圖圖"},{"start":6517.49,"end":6518.611,"text":"怎麼可以跟他學"},{"start":6546.408,"end":6569.264,"text":"我知道你也超瘦啦,我很想跟他一起吃你這樣親愛的也算是很瘦吧?沒有沒有沒有,我自己別吃這不用很吃,可能每個人都很瘦然後不要講前面什麼都不講前面很瘦,所以說我沒有那麼瘦我沒有那麼瘦"},{"start":6572.227,"end":6601.869,"text":"謝謝 謝謝"},{"start":6605.828,"end":6605.928,"text":"謝謝大家謝謝"},{"start":6633.885,"end":6648.488,"text":"這張圖畫是在2012年,是在2012年,是在2012年,是在2012年,是在2012年,是在2012年,"},{"start":6657.91,"end":6658.631,"text":"這張圖是在2013年10月1日拍攝的。"},{"start":6678.848,"end":6695.35,"text":"謝謝觀賞"},{"start":6711.323,"end":6723.066,"text":"有集都沒有剩 還有剩的有耶對呀剩剩剩剩剩剩剩剩剩剩"},{"start":6748.584,"end":6766.871,"text":"因為我們要吸收氣力啊,吸收氧化碳的氣體啊那顏色健康,如果沒顏色,好久啊,真是你都給它弄乾淨了,你都給它搞好,你都給它弄乾淨了你都給它弄乾淨了,你都給它弄乾淨了"},{"start":6774.633,"end":6800.4,"text":"我覺得有些人他們在國藝園舉行的時候,工作的程度比較好。對,就是這樣。後來就學習了,後來就學了,後來就學了,後來就學了,後來就學了,後來就學了,後來就學了,後來就學了,"},{"start":6803.336,"end":6810.058,"text":"阿姨在這邊阿姨在這邊阿姨在這邊阿姨在這邊阿姨在這邊阿姨在這邊阿姨在這邊阿姨在這邊"},{"start":6831.965,"end":6833.166,"text":"因為這旋鼓要發過來使用9、9.5"},{"start":6856.493,"end":6883.404,"text":"好的,好的,好好,謝謝瑋瑜,謝謝你們,掰掰不會,不會,不會,不會,不會,不會,不會,不會,不會,不會,不會"},{"start":6898.981,"end":6913.591,"text":"但是你現在過度還有安全之有那種關係,也未必好。我是覺得盡量進步。對啊,怎麼樣去會有進步。"},{"start":6920.742,"end":6945.108,"text":"創新的有很多稍微有一點狹隘性的那種你剛才看到的那種鋼杵然後那些那個鋼杵的那種鋼線對啊 要讓那種鋼線去抓那些鋼線要讓那些鋼線去抓那些鋼線要讓那些鋼線去抓那些鋼線要讓那些鋼線去抓那些鋼線要讓那些鋼線去抓那些鋼線要讓那些鋼線去抓那些鋼線要讓那些鋼線去抓那些鋼線要讓那些鋼線去抓那些鋼線要讓那些鋼線去抓那些鋼線要讓那些鋼線去抓那些鋼線要讓那些鋼線去抓那些鋼"},{"start":6948.017,"end":6971.115,"text":"這個確實是比較多人,所以很難讓他們注意到那我可以做到那個時候,他會講一下,我可以直接帶大家來訪問一下那我後來要跟你們訪問一下?對,對,我後來跟你們訪問一下那你覺得你這樣很適合嗎?也可以啊"},{"start":6973.012,"end":6981.089,"text":"我覺得他本身會逆進出在"},{"start":6984.497,"end":6996.222,"text":"不完的問題我覺得你大方向沒有錯那就是怎麼去調補超多人怎麼去調補的問題我覺得先請講一個大家很喜歡的回憶很亮眼的回憶問題的核心會反而不住在陳雲豪博士的那個"},{"start":7006.526,"end":7024.798,"text":"而是說現在就影響了新的那個DNS標準如果全面適用 對於那個狀況對 那從國教養殼 從養育的角度來看這個東西 過度強 它會不會過度強調安全跟保護然後讓一個國教養殼 少掉一個狀況"},{"start":7034.582,"end":7063.866,"text":"頭耳 頭耳是非常好用的 像草尾蝶那種 它是有匯率不好的這個蝴蝶蝶蝶蝶蝶蝶蝶蝶蝶蝶蝶蝶"},{"start":7066.111,"end":7077.357,"text":"因為飲料的同一種,所以飲料的同一種,所以飲料的同一種,所以飲料的同一種,所以飲料的同一種,所以飲料的同一種,所以飲料的同一種,所以"},{"start":7094.033,"end":7118.048,"text":"所以說大的限制到前面的時候就在那邊然後我記得去年去年用到一個...去年用到一個那個...R5-8 FDN我認真自我去拿掉,很痛所以就這樣外面大亂的..."},{"start":7120.595,"end":7121.075,"text":"市長 讓我們下一題"},{"start":7151.178,"end":7152.278,"text":"這太經典了"},{"start":7179.967,"end":7207.361,"text":"不是啦 這個是不是這樣啊不是啦 這個因為其實主機的設計真的差一點不是單純的不是啦 這是希望說有心肯定的人會想辦法去檢查好 特別什麼檢查要去檢查要去檢查要去檢查"},{"start":7209.249,"end":7212.398,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":7213.112,"end":7218.353,"text":"沒有那種熱熱的創作沒有那種創作沒有那種創作沒有那種創作沒有那種創作"},{"start":7245.649,"end":7250.974,"text":"我覺得竹子設計很好。哪裡好?"},{"start":7262.645,"end":7275.291,"text":"那是園園嗎?不用,它是機關都用健康的機關兩村院是新的房子然後後面一套房子都用花工的機關都用花工的機關對啊,它有那麼多事情可以做就只有那一套"},{"start":7291.52,"end":7294.563,"text":"歷史這種藝術、這種文化、這種藝術、這種文化、這種藝術、這種藝術、"},{"start":7311.817,"end":7315.942,"text":"其實它不一定需要太高,它真的不一定需要高的地位"},{"start":7327.254,"end":7352.76,"text":"她的營運根本不在乎她的職位要不在乎她她的盾不在乎她的強挺不在乎她那我實際上就覺得這個最大的問題就是我現在投入到的那一部分跟主要的問題有什麼關係?"},{"start":7358.446,"end":7379.259,"text":"因為他還是回過頭來講 他還是高度要仰賴政府對阿 或者是人這邊要看他這個局面的狀況要看政府 政府後面折磨的那一部分對 就要看政府折磨的那一部分"},{"start":7397.254,"end":7409.137,"text":"要我這邊 給你拚一點嘛那你給他來幹嘛 幹什麼啦幹什麼啦 幹什麼啦 幹什麼啦幹什麼啦 幹什麼啦幹什麼啦 幹什麼啦"},{"start":7433.572,"end":7441.495,"text":"我一直覺得他有高度的我覺得他有高度的期待在這個位置"},{"start":7486.597,"end":7488.738,"text":"謝謝觀看,下次見"},{"start":7493.675,"end":7493.975,"text":"有雞有雞"},{"start":7525.916,"end":7537.799,"text":"這裏是一間新建的房子。"},{"start":7544.462,"end":7563.592,"text":"謝謝"},{"start":7564.933,"end":7569.636,"text":"這間餐廳的餐廳是一間餐廳的餐廳。這間餐廳是一間餐廳的館。"},{"start":7589.63,"end":7591.091,"text":"這沒事 這沒事"},{"start":7624.053,"end":7642.904,"text":"你不老喔,你去整理一下,他有錢,他有錢,他有錢,他有錢,他有錢,他有錢,他有錢,他有錢,他有錢,他有錢,他有錢,他有錢,他有錢,他有錢,"},{"start":7645.545,"end":7651.809,"text":"我差點要去打長照專線去找失蹤老人失蹤且毒雞你看他有沒有發現"},{"start":7672.841,"end":7693.286,"text":"如果到一邊,中間比較大咖,應該不會太多人。所以我們就開車,我們開到一邊來。那是賣點小寶的地方嗎?那是賣點小寶的地方嗎?那是賣點小寶的地方嗎?那是賣點小寶的地方嗎?那是賣點小寶的地方嗎?那是賣點小寶的地方嗎?那是賣點小寶的地方嗎?那是賣點小寶的地方嗎?"},{"start":7701.689,"end":7717.283,"text":"有嗎?沒有我沒有幹嘛,我們兩個都不是意思之類的沒有,我們事務長可以聽他,可以聽蘇教授的意見"},{"start":7726.391,"end":7727.071,"text":"好對啦 對 對 不要這種"},{"start":7754.881,"end":7764.652,"text":"沒有啦 不過這是那個鰭肉 還是你要吃素我幫你碗排骨 整塊排骨好啦 我們繼續開會有委員在建議要到12點所以我們看再一條兩條 可能就要"},{"start":7773.482,"end":7788.389,"text":"現在先處理39條 各位委員桌上都有一份在修正後的文字那我請署長這邊是不是再宣讀一次然後剛剛的修正的理由是什麼39啊 剛才三個"},{"start":7791.993,"end":7795.335,"text":"這個第39條的部分那我們重新宣讀如下"},{"start":7822.013,"end":7840.234,"text":"規定處罰或受性騷擾防治法第25條第27條或性別平等工作法第38條之二第一項規定處罰並經池霞市縣市主管機關認定有不得擔任托育相關人員或居家托育服務中心工作人員之必要"},{"start":7840.774,"end":7861.356,"text":"二 惩犯動物保護法第25條之一第一項之罪 經有罪判決確定至日期五日內三 惩犯家庭暴力罪 經緩起訴處分或有罪判決確定至日期五日內四 經各級主管機關依兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第97條規定處罰"},{"start":7863.559,"end":7879.66,"text":"並經直轄市縣市主管機關認定有不得擔任托育相關人員或居家托育服務中心工作人員之必要五經直轄市縣市主管機關一第五十七條規定處罰並認定有不得擔任托育相關人員或居家托育服務中心"},{"start":7880.799,"end":7896.384,"text":"工作人員之必要六 違反相關法規有傷害而同之於經直轄市縣市主管機關查證屬實及認定有不得擔任托育相關人員或居家托育服務中心工作人員之必要有前項第二項"},{"start":7897.964,"end":7926.775,"text":"有前向第二款或第三款情形者於該確定之日期五年內不得擔任托育相關人員或居家托育服務中心工作人員有前向第一款 第四款至第六款情形之一者由直轄市縣市主管機關審酌情節嚴重程度認定一年至四年內不得擔任托育相關人員或居家托育服務中心工作人員以上好 那個汪燦有補充嗎"},{"start":7929.385,"end":7947.143,"text":"补充就是后来修正了这本事这个部分的话大概调整文字调整的部分跟各位做一个说明第一个就是第二款刚才讨论到惩犯动物保护法的部分我们就比这个结构我们就比照有关惩犯家庭暴力罪的写法"},{"start":7947.863,"end":7972.431,"text":"以有罪判決確定自治期五年內作為它不得任用的規定因為它是有直接已經明定在判決五年所以第二項的文字我們就也跟著要順一併來做原來的草案只有第二款我們就需要甄列成第二款及第三款這個文字必須要一併來做配套的處理另外剛才也經過法務部的長官有順便幫我們有指點"},{"start":7975.732,"end":8000.857,"text":"在這個序文的部分這個申列的或居家托育服務中心這樣的文字應該就足夠來表達這個相關的這個管理的要求了文字有稍微再做一點點精簡大概有三處地方文字有做一點點更動以上好"},{"start":8003.089,"end":8009.073,"text":"是,跟主席還有委員們報告,39條在條文的序文列印出來的應該是正確的,因為把受委託單位刪掉。"},{"start":8022.782,"end":8039.312,"text":"因為在法制用語上受委託單位在法制用語上其實它是一個概括性的行政用語不是明確的法律主體類型所以比較建議不適合作為法律條文的用語"},{"start":8040.253,"end":8055.293,"text":"要不然會產生受託主體跟責任歸屬不明的疑義因為我們比較精確的法制用語還是機關法人或團體用單位這兩個字不太適合用在我們正式的法律條文裡面所以剛好那個"},{"start":8056.354,"end":8085.977,"text":"那個委員會也把這個條文把那個受委託單位把它刪掉所以那其他的條款就跟剛剛我們討論過然後也跟署長跟委員們說明的是一致的意見以上這個我想請問一下實務面的問題實務面這個簽約的有沒有可能是居托中心的委託單位去簽的"},{"start":8091.02,"end":8109.569,"text":"跟委員報告因為在前面第二條就已經先去定義居托中心居托中心就是要經過受托的一個團體或者是法人居托中心是一個法人嗎居托中心不是法人"},{"start":8112.345,"end":8139.384,"text":"受居托中心居托中心都不是法人了我在問你實務面有沒有可能居托中心委託的單位去跟人家簽約所以這裡不是在講這個簽約的主體嗎受委託團體如果單位不要受委託團體或法人呢"},{"start":8141.809,"end":8163.543,"text":"居托中心委托的團體或法人因為你39條要這樣改的話那我們前面那一條是不是也有我們38條也有這個都連動在一起的我們今天講的是簽約的單位是誰"},{"start":8173.763,"end":8196.277,"text":"因為比如說勞動契約來講的話他們委託這個宛如基金會好了他去簽勞動契約的是宛如基金會而不是居托中心他是居托中心去委託他們去做那居托中心自己都沒有法人資格了"},{"start":8196.957,"end":8216.806,"text":"他沒有辦法去雇人的他也沒有辦法去雇人剛才跟委員報告剛才跟法務部我們大概跟法治單位做過一些確認意見的討論的時候我們是覺得為什麼這邊可以直接不用再增加受託單位這樣的文字的想法是說"},{"start":8217.566,"end":8240.793,"text":"因為在第二條在定義的時候我們就先把這個居託中心是已經它就是受託的這個單位它可能是團體 可能是法人居託中心你也講的是居託中心居託中心 對所以居託中心就是受託的這個法人受託辦理的這個法人居託中心沒有法人的位階沒有法人的沒有法人的人格所以一旦發生個案的時候"},{"start":8243.895,"end":8263.568,"text":"這個個案的這個居托中心如果發生需要終止契約這樣的狀況的話當然就是由他後面原來受托的這個不管是法人還是團體來做終止契約的動作我們改了很多條都這樣改出來的你現在是要重來一遍"},{"start":8264.409,"end":8287.363,"text":"主席 我們時間悠閒 這條保留啦因為它又恆生更多肢解了那你第二款 第三款這樣改你說把動保法的改成跟這個家暴法的一樣五年內通通都不可以好了 那我剛才在我們要去表決以前不是跟你講了我們家暴法裡面如果還起訴的呢那動保法裡面如果還起訴的嗎"},{"start":8288.203,"end":8312.549,"text":"那你現在是一律都全部從眾那我也沒意見啦但是就是說那你的第一款剛剛講的處罰這個又是怎麼一回事那你現在又跟我講要回到居托中心的受委託單位不好那受委託團體呢那你要回到居托中心居托中心連法人位格都沒有所以你這樣討論下去就多了很多問題啊這條保留好啊"},{"start":8313.849,"end":8334.658,"text":"這條是一定要保留 剛剛署長是不是有回答快了一點 因為林委員在請教你居東中心是不是法條你直接斬釘截鐵說不是後來你有再補一句不一定啦這個我有聽到 我清楚啦所以你要音量太快因為這個法條連動上面有幾條 後面有沒有我不曉得"},{"start":8336.198,"end":8348.142,"text":"所以如果要照這樣修那基本上你前面那幾條我們一併要修但是可能我要請你們要確定問居多中心是不是法人不一定就要講不一定來來來補充說明"},{"start":8351.134,"end":8379.137,"text":"主席補充說明一下就是在我們前面有定義說在第三條的第13款請各位委員參看一下居家托育服務中心是指受直轄市縣市主管機關委託去辦理這些相關事項的非營利性質法人機構或團體所以在這本部法裡面它已經明確的指出居家托育服務中心"},{"start":8379.597,"end":8400.699,"text":"他指的就是這些法人機構團體所以他本身他就是指的是法人機構團體了所以在這部法裡面他就是具有法人機構團體的這些人定位不要忘了居托中心並沒有僱用這一些托育專業人員"},{"start":8403.897,"end":8417.772,"text":"現在我在講的是說受僱者有哪些條件是不能再聘請他們來從事托育工作的人居多服務中心就不是僱主"},{"start":8423.876,"end":8445.489,"text":"所以你的托育機構或居托服務中心受委託它是可能受居托中心去委託的單位現在講雇主要終止這個契約那居托中心就不是最核心的去執行這一些托育工作的第一線的雇主嗎"},{"start":8451.44,"end":8466.778,"text":"你直接拿麥克風回應好不好講定位是真的我們聽懂不過居多中心是要負責接受那個居家托育服務登記的管理的媒合的輔導的監督的檢查的或調處的"},{"start":8468.947,"end":8493.792,"text":"我們有一些是機構自己去經營的有一些是保姆的經營的機構去經營的我們就講說托育機構或者是受居托中心委託去經營的要終止契約這種條件是不能夠聘僱這一些托育人員不是嗎"},{"start":8502.002,"end":8508.99,"text":"跟那個不能簽契約的或犯了那個罪要解約的那一個簽約的雇主是誰"},{"start":8512.529,"end":8538.016,"text":"跟委員說明居托中心是直轄市縣市政府委託這些辦理居家托育的相關事項的非營利性質法人機構或團體所以假設某某的基金會他來承接台北市的某一處居家托育服務中心那他所聘用的人員當然就是那個基金會要跟他簽約這是沒有問題的"},{"start":8540.361,"end":8557.103,"text":"是基金會所以他的人員有問題的時候當然就是居家托威服務中心承接這個家我剛剛問的問題就是說譬如說以宛如基金會來說去簽勞動契約的是宛如基金會不是中心"},{"start":8563.895,"end":8589.436,"text":"是啊 但是它就是拘托中心啊因為它就是接受主管機關來委託辦理拘托中心的這個團體了所以就是拘托中心好 我想一下這個邏輯我懂了好 那我想一下但是我們是不是可以先暫停因為第二款跟第三款可以啊好"},{"start":8592.103,"end":8614.131,"text":"這條先保留啦 因為還有牽涉到聯動上面幾條的文字也要一併修因為他那個如果用下去前面的還後面的通通都要重修了要拿掉了好 39 先保留我們再處理一條好不好46條請行政長做說明"},{"start":8620.427,"end":8646.06,"text":"刑罪版第46條的草案主要就是針對有發生有不當對待的案件的時候它的應該調查的機制跟包括審議小組其中相關的成員在先前討論的過程的時候主要的已經確定的就是基本上已經各位委員大概有討論過的第一個就是在它要適用的範圍會包括"},{"start":8648.962,"end":8665.88,"text":"包括居家托育人員包括居家托育服務中心的工作人員他都要適用這個規定第二個就是在發生這樣的案件之後在直轄市縣市政府處理的時候在兩天內要指派專職人員或組成調查小組來進行相關的調查"},{"start":8667.722,"end":8671.186,"text":"同時為了對專責人員能夠有更精細的規範也已經在最後一項有關對專責人員的資格跟將來他會需要訓練需要接受的訓練這個部分大概分別在"},{"start":8684.36,"end":8691.171,"text":"授權事項以及跟委員討論的時候有一部分會納到附帶決議裡面會去做進一步的規範跟細部的處理"},{"start":8702.157,"end":8715.909,"text":"當時需要再進一步討論的主要是審議小組成員的部分,除了行政院版原來所建議的團體之外,大概會有包括法律專家、托育服務團體的代表、托育人員、專業談表、家長團體或相關領域學者的專家。"},{"start":8724.216,"end":8747.791,"text":"而不同委員中間大概對於是不是需要讓團體的代表跟多元性的部分包括了像勞工權益團體代表或者像婦女團體代表等當時對於這個團體的範圍小組成員的範圍的部分還有留下來可能還需要再做進一步的討論當時是希望說我們就"},{"start":8751.454,"end":8776.649,"text":"兒托法的部分跟現在教育部在做幼少法的部分整個審議的機制部分可以做一個更進一步的說明跟資料的整理我們也針對這個部分去做了一些處理我們經過了解目前我們以衛福部來講現行我們大概在審議小組部分原則上初步的估計審議小組原來的設計可能會是"},{"start":8778.71,"end":8807.104,"text":"9人到15人那教育部的現在的認定委員會那或者跟教學校教評會的話組織成員大概是會設置15到21人那受理跟審議的時候那兩邊都一樣原則上是會由責委員5人成立審查的小組那後面在調查的過程大概基本上我們和教育部的機制也比較相近大概都會評估由相關人員主"},{"start":8808.745,"end":8827.523,"text":"領選三到五人去成立相關的調查小組大概這個我們現在初步的跟教育部這邊所這個兩邊在法規和行政事務上大概對照的內容如這邊如以上所說明那所以第46條的部分那我們初步也有這個"},{"start":8833.028,"end":8860.948,"text":"蘇芬我們現在有一個建議版本的條文對那我們現在也有大概有先投影在這個螢幕上那就請各位委員來做一個參閱好請委員表示意見有嗎"},{"start":8864.08,"end":8878.473,"text":"在你看一下我們有個修正動議請你們看一下在你看的時候我先來跟大家再講一次剛才那一條的爭議因為法務部還有你們社家署我不知道你們是真的不知道還是假的不知道"},{"start":8879.727,"end":8906.056,"text":"有時候居托中心它不是一個立案的機構原因是在於這個預算其實是一個計劃型的補助所以你們是用計劃型的補助委託人家來做這個工作所以契約上勞動契約上居托中心它只是這個可能是仿式輔導員的工作地點"},{"start":8907.999,"end":8935.032,"text":"所以他不一定是直接是一個法人也不一定他是一個計劃型委託而已那個受委託的法人是不是就是居托中心他不是我們想像的那種機構所以這種任務型的很像是任務型的一個組織可能計劃結束就下一個是別人飆走類似這樣子的概念"},{"start":8937.734,"end":8964.233,"text":"所以我是在提醒大家就是說你們覺得好像居多中心就代表可是居多中心真的在很多地方政府就是計畫型的酸案補助而已這個要想一下好 那我們先要回到那個我剛剛講的修正動議就是說現行兒少權法的相關調查如果涉及到刑事事件"},{"start":8966.655,"end":8971.959,"text":"主管機關都會說等刑事調查結果出來以後我們再來究責再來討論行政處分"},{"start":8975.851,"end":9003.792,"text":"但大家都知道刑事調查刑事責任確定這個要拖多久啊在這種狀況你沒有先行政調查行政處分你在拖刑事這個責任的時候你如果暫停了他的收拖那其實影響也很大但如果你不停他的收拖影響也很大"},{"start":9005.313,"end":9026.444,"text":"所以我們才說在這裡我們要不要參考這個教保服務人員違法事件的這一種經驗我們來講說要求行政調查應先行那行政調查跟刑事責任構成要件不盡相同那刑事責任肯定是要很嚴格很嚴謹所以曠日廢時"},{"start":9029.085,"end":9046.973,"text":"那我們的行政調查這麼多年大家都知道行政調查是比較快的所以即便有一些行為沒有構成刑事責任但是在行政上仍然有上課或者是輕微處分的必要"},{"start":9048.473,"end":9068.047,"text":"所以在這種狀況裡面行政調查我們會涉及到很多的認定的時候我們要明定行政調查的時間以避免當事人因為身份選而未決所以會再來拖所以我們的版本是新增了"},{"start":9070.285,"end":9098.67,"text":"地方政府在疑似違法第二項受理前項疑似違法事件後應直接指派成員或組成調查小組進行調查那這個行政調查的小組要組成後30天以內完成調查那必要的時候得以延長那延長期間不得於30天那並應通知當事人檢舉人及居托服務中心或托育服務機構"},{"start":9101.225,"end":9102.008,"text":"所以是這個樣子那"},{"start":9106.741,"end":9130.155,"text":"在調查期程的規定上目前幼兒園的部分是規定在執法 教保相關違法事件調查處理辦法第15條第1項第6款但是在性騷擾調查則明定在母法性騷擾防治法第15條第1項所以我們是希望說最好是可以明定上去"},{"start":9131.803,"end":9159.125,"text":"明定上去調查的期限這樣子至少先有一個行政調查的結果出來那站在比較保守的防衛的你有一個行政調查了那暫停人家的時候拖了這樣子可能會比較合理那我行政調查也沒有拖很久一個月 必要的時候再一個月那也不會拖很久"},{"start":9161.075,"end":9175.663,"text":"否則沒有明文規定上去你要調查多久有時候說我調查到等到刑事責任確定我再來確定我想很多人會這樣做保守的公務體系就是說我等判決了再來"},{"start":9177.526,"end":9198.995,"text":"然後就拖啊但我們在這裡要放進去是我們希望行政調查要先有一個結果出來啦對於不當因為疑似到底是真狀況是怎麼樣你要不要暫停收拖會比較直接啦"},{"start":9200.235,"end":9224.615,"text":"暫停收託當然對於保母的生計影響很大那基於如此所以我們才覺得說調查小組的報告送審議那審議的組成要不要納入誰這樣子但我想你們現在是納入了誰我看一下你們的版本"},{"start":9234.22,"end":9237.122,"text":"婦女團體要不要進去婦女團體婦女團體進去的原因是因為我們的托育人員性別觀點還有這個家長還有這個小孩其實性別觀點也是很重要的"},{"start":9263.996,"end":9287.084,"text":"其他我沒有很堅持老實說但是我認為婦女團體進去要有性別觀點因為也有一些在現場的一些不恰當的行為到底是不是不恰當的跟性別有關的可能也是需要一些性別觀點的婦女團體進去啦"},{"start":9295.511,"end":9312.149,"text":"這裡我就是一個加一個性別觀點的婦女團體然後再來就是行政調查的時間不要一直拖著拖到還要等刑事判決出來如果沒有明定的話有可能會公務體系就是這樣做好 歡迎葉請維"},{"start":9315.91,"end":9334.961,"text":"我這邊大概之前就有先溝通過今天看起來你們也有改就把幼兒保育不是用貨是用語兒童福利專家這一塊第二個就是剛剛淑恩委員講的幼照法大概就是定在執法裡面去做"},{"start":9336.352,"end":9350.128,"text":"現在就是說那要明定在這邊或者是未來在執法的確不能拖太長這個我沒有特別意見不過第三個我覺得剛剛淑芬講說性別團"},{"start":9351.309,"end":9375.415,"text":"我覺得不應該又是用婦女的確我們在處理這些案子的時候如果碰到的話會要求所以就要請你們比照是在後邊在授權執法的時候一定要跟我們的幼照法授權執法訂的也就是當有一些性別的這個課題的時候一定要有受過訓的性評委員會加入"},{"start":9376.482,"end":9405.675,"text":"一定要達到多少人數這個我希望你們是照那個幼照法這樣做否則的話很容易因為我以前在參與這種的話很常沒有性平觀念的委員在討論有些性的課題的時候常常走偏了所以我就希望說所以我比較不會希望說具有性別的婦女團員反而是說要有性平意識的專家學生而且他有受過性平訓練那未來呢也"},{"start":9406.215,"end":9417.511,"text":"好 那我們上次也請你們我們也簽了就是附帶決議我覺得很重要的還是手續因為過去一直以來這樣子的一個審議還有呢"},{"start":9421.587,"end":9441.51,"text":"或者是調查委員那我很高興你們已經開始有去列入未來一定要授訓所以現在幼兒園的也是被要求了沒有授訓呢往往就用個人主張一點兒權的觀念都沒有然後再主張根本就是違反兒權公約的概念如果身為一個委員還違反兒權"},{"start":9442.711,"end":9462.563,"text":"的概念來審議這個我覺得至關重要所以等一下我的附帶決議我們也已經送出來就是還有一個比例希望不要重蹈過去幼兆法的覆轍那個比例失衡兩邊都同樣重要你們不是就是訂了一個說要邀"},{"start":9463.563,"end":9489.234,"text":"這個第四項要邀誰最後呢地方政府邀了一堆都是站在老師那一方的反而事實上是兒少權益的非常薄弱到所以最後往往過去我們才看為什麼不成案因為不成案的原因就是因為你的比例就失衡所以未來在附帶決定那邊有寫你們在定辦法的時候也要把比例這個放進去以上"},{"start":9490.99,"end":9517.779,"text":"所以我是同意現在他們的這樣子的一個版本來 署長妳的新聞 蘇冰共姐但是具性平義式的團體 婦女團體這個東西這樣寫可能在母法上怪怪的但我們在立法說明欄要寫上去我不要講婦女嘛我覺得 反而是他們的性平益在整個婦女的受益層面比較強大我覺得 既然他們的性平益"},{"start":9520.736,"end":9537.704,"text":"第一個就是說肯定有時候案件會有性別事件那需要有性別意識的婦女性平意識的婦女因為老實說因為有性平意識現在都是婦女團體居多但婦女團體四個字"},{"start":9539.645,"end":9566.532,"text":"也有很多是婦女會也是婦女團體工商婦女會也是婦女團體這不太了解因為有些所以我們是要有性平意識的婦女團體沒有錯但是就是說要在立法說明欄說清楚主任委員我覺得不要特別有婦女團體因為有些團體她有在做性別的話那就變成她也進不來我覺得會比較不妥適有做性平議題的"},{"start":9570.214,"end":9589.296,"text":"非婦女團體好 那我們想想看那個字眼應該是什麼啦我大概建議一個方向跟各位報告一下那署官委員的這個動議的部分那有關調查的期限的話大方向我想我們接受啦那個文字我們放進來"},{"start":9590.377,"end":9610.332,"text":"當然我必須很誠實的說,在個案調查的時候,有時候有一些個案,確實是三十天,有時候會有一些客觀上的狀況,不一定真的調查得完。例如說人被收押了,證據被扣押了,都沒有東西,其實真的有時候會查不下去,有時候難免偶爾會有,如果真的遇到這個狀況,會有這個狀況。"},{"start":9612.193,"end":9628.765,"text":"但是我想大原則以三十天來處理的話這個方向我們一定是支持的所以蘇本委員剛才建議動議的文字在第二項的後段如果是要甄列調查小組並於組成後三十日內完成調查"},{"start":9629.565,"end":9652.361,"text":"必要使得予延長 延長期間不得逾30日並應通知當事人檢舉人及居家托育服務中心或托育機委員的動議文字原來是居家托育服務機構我們是建議服務就拿掉因為跟這個法裡面其他的用語上會比較一致第二項最後面就是"},{"start":9654.942,"end":9677.111,"text":"並應通知當事人檢舉人及居家托育服務中心或托育機構因為現在整部法律裡面大概統一都是用托育機構就是文字上面單獨做一個統一就是動兩個字後面的話第三項委員這邊有建議審議時如果有必要"},{"start":9677.711,"end":9703.266,"text":"得邀請其他相關學者、專家或專科醫師、醫事人員提供專業意見這個部分我們也可以把它納進來而搭著剛才兩位委員所提示到如果有處理到跟性有關的這樣的案件的話我們的建議是這樣子是不是有可能就是搭著這個甄列的第三項的部分我們補充一個附帶決議的文字"},{"start":9703.906,"end":9728.867,"text":"就是如果是調查的案件涉及到跟性有關係的話調查委員應該要邀請具有性別平等意識的專家來參與這個部分用附帶決議的方式我們把它納進來我們來試著擬一個文字看這樣可不可行性平專家就不要團體了就性平專家就性別平等的專家"},{"start":9730.248,"end":9757.991,"text":"那我們就這個部分我們先來視你一個文字請委員來過目不是 在條文裡面吧就是有性平案件的話應再邀請這個性平專家那如果也可以啊那就直接就是專科醫師 醫事人員或性別平等或具性平等意識的專家或具性平等意識的專家或者性別平等性平專家但是我們立法說明欄要講有性平案件的話一定要納入"},{"start":9759.532,"end":9786.043,"text":"有性品的案件一定要納入因為你講貨嘛那這樣子的話那個第四項的神醫的成員那是不是就也許就可以我們建議是不是就依照原來行政院這邊我們建議的這樣的一個組成的方式你沒有性品專家或性別平等專家那個就加在第三項裡面好這就預案有需要的時候我們就把它加進來那正常如聽的神經小組成員螢幕上那樣子嘛"},{"start":9793.84,"end":9795.905,"text":"如果具性別平等可能要加議事啦"},{"start":9799.383,"end":9823.812,"text":"或者是性別平等專家啦你應該是或性別平等專家吧具性別平等意識這個太模糊了性平專家啦對啊那就具性別平等專家性別平等專家提供專業意見這樣那這個第四項就是審議小組一般的成員的部分那我們建議是不是就依照行政院這邊的版本現在組成的方式來處理好 OK"},{"start":9825.856,"end":9834.063,"text":"我問一下因為我現在手頭上沒有那個幼照法他們的這樣寫到底有沒有"},{"start":9835.051,"end":9861.111,"text":"有沒有那個因為主要所謂叫做性別平等專家因為在那個幼照法它是寫得很清楚是已經在它資料庫裡面已經授訓過的這性評委員們才可以來參與可是你這樣寫的話是代表是這樣子嗎還是我怎麼去認可說這個人叫做有性我們在說明欄裡面把這個部分補起來好不好我們在說明欄裡面把這個補起來"},{"start":9861.912,"end":9874.939,"text":"好 各位委員針對文字章修正有意見沒有 那我們就照這樣修正通過請衛福部列印給委員來做檢視謝謝好 那我們要繼續處理第55條你們要繼續處理喔你們都要繼續處理那你們處理喔 我不行"},{"start":9890.56,"end":9916.586,"text":"但是我有意見但我還是要保留我的意見繼續保留你們會到院會協商吧院長會協商吧院長不會協商我有意見現在要處理你的這個也是你的我的不是只有這一條而已還有哪一條"},{"start":9921.81,"end":9932.656,"text":"對啊 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大家好針對近期台美關稅談判落幕"},{"start":2168.399,"end":2194.807,"text":"政府高層歡欣鼓舞宣揚取得比照日韓的15%關稅稅率是外交的重大勝利來回應這樁所謂的喜事然而在這層精美的包裝紙下台灣付出的代價竟然是高達5000億美元的巨額承諾這可能是一場徹底掏空台灣經濟基底的豪賭"},{"start":2195.765,"end":2217.705,"text":"我們必須看清這5000億美元的真相除了2500億的企業直接投資外最令人驚駭的是政府竟然承諾提供高達2500億美元的信用保證機制這意味著政府要用台灣人納稅錢來去擔保企業在美國投資的風險"},{"start":2218.866,"end":2244.342,"text":"我要請問行政院這2500億美元的信用擔保額度從何而來是否會排擠國內原本用於中小企業輕創貸款信保資金這是為了讓川普總統滿意我們竟然連我們國家財政信用都用此方法來押注讓人匪夷所思我們所引以為傲的護國神山"},{"start":2244.949,"end":2272.581,"text":"如今被迫成為讓美國再次偉大的基石此外本席要為基層來發聲在這場以半導體為主角的談判中我國弱勢的農漁民產業是否成為了犧牲品政府只顧宣傳高科技產品的關稅優惠但對農漁民產品的關稅影響卻避重就輕美方是否要求台灣進一步開放"},{"start":2273.945,"end":2291.358,"text":"農漁市場作為交換在我們的農漁民面前對美國強勢農產品請消食政府準備了什麼的防禦措施更令人擔憂的是這對一般庶民百姓的影響呢政府有沒有來說明呢當台積電未來可能成為美積電時"},{"start":2292.816,"end":2319.819,"text":"受惠的是極少數擁有股票的少數人以及外資但對於大多數沒錢買股票每天為生活奔波的基層勞工而言他們面對的可能是產業外移後的就業機會減少國內消費率下降以及政府稅收流失後對於我們台灣人的福利的縮減這些生活在基層的民眾他們的聲音政府有聽到嗎"},{"start":2321.206,"end":2348.297,"text":"最後未來的協議若送進立法院來審查本席與本黨團必盡用嚴格的標準來實行來審查我們絕對不容許政府用外交突破的藉口來掩蓋台灣經濟核心正在被掏空的現實讓台灣成為未來執政黨粉飾太平的謝謝張志倫委員的發言"},{"start":2349.916,"end":2362.634,"text":"現在我們熱情歡迎來自宜蘭縣育才國民小學的同學未來臺灣的主人翁我們掌聲歡迎接下來我們請洪孟凱委員發言 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國人同胞以及來自宜蘭國小的小朋友大家早安"},{"start":2590.856,"end":2617.326,"text":"行政院的責任是依法編列預算立法院的職責是審查跟監督但當行政院卓榮泰院長選擇在媒體上公開校正訴諸輿論壓力正暴露到一個事實行政院無法在制度內說服國會只能以政治口水掩飾行政依法行政的不足"},{"start":2618.286,"end":2634.668,"text":"更令人擔憂的是行政院迄今為依法編列所要求的預算包括在兩岸情勢高漲下負責保家衛國責任的軍人加薪以及維繫社會安全秩序的警消人員替代力的加強"},{"start":2635.789,"end":2650.117,"text":"同時由於多項的民生並無爭議的38項新興計劃預算如TPAS還有育兒生育補助治水跟防洪改善計劃等民進黨都拒絕審查"},{"start":2651.338,"end":2665.988,"text":"民進黨一方面高喊關心民生一方面卻全面的反對這才是真正讓人民擔心的地方這不是立場之爭而是行政院拒絕履行依法行政的責任"},{"start":2667.185,"end":2692.722,"text":"同样的治理经验也出现在台美关税的谈判上面我们看到的是在台美备忘录的这个台湾模式呢是由政府提供2500亿美元的担保协助金融机构融资企业到美国去投资却可能带来产业资金人才结构性外移"},{"start":2694.083,"end":2719.984,"text":"產業面上我們看到了對中小企業而言龐大的投資規模意味著是整場的輸出到美國等同於將供應鏈一併帶往海外形成產業的空洞化風險另外在人才面上面我們看到在台灣繼續有戰爭的風險之下高階的科技人才可能樂於移民前往美國"},{"start":2720.865,"end":2747.436,"text":"若缺乏回流的机制研发人才将外移了台湾将丧失先进半导体制成优势的地位资金面上面我们看到民意上是担保而非及其支出但是投资跟融资跟营运现金流通通都是以美金留在海外并没有设计回流到还有在地投资的条件"},{"start":2748.276,"end":2775.705,"text":"將造成資本與附加價值的外移臺灣民眾黨將繼續強力的監督防止掏空臺灣的風險繼續的成真守住臺灣半導體產業跟國家發展的命脈是臺灣的責任我是臺灣民眾黨的立委 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